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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => René Hasée (6) disappeared from the Amoreira beach near Aljezur on 19 June1996. => Topic started by: John on May 20, 2013, 08:20:30 PM

Title: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: John on May 20, 2013, 08:20:30 PM
As the world marked another anniversary of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, a couple in Germany will be remembering their six-year-old son who went missing in the Algarve almost 17 years ago.

(http://i.imgur.com/9Z91UcA.jpg)

René Hasée, who was six, disappeared from the Amoreira beach near Aljezur on 19 June1996.  His mother, Anita, a 37-year-old postal worker who was on holiday with her partner Peter and René, told a German newspaper at the time, “We had just eaten something and gone down to the beach.”  It was around 6pm and she said Renè was around 30 metres in front of her when “suddenly our son disappeared as if he had been swallowed by the earth. She immediately notified the local police, who, she claimed at the time, were not very interested and did not bother to search for René, telling her he had probably drowned.  However, this recollection of events is not shared by a GNR agent who is still working at the Aljezur GNR branch.  He told The Resident that he remembers officers spending “day after day searching the beach for the child”. 

As with any other missing children cases, the file on René was sent to the Polícia Judiciária, said a GNR spokesman.  But the Lisbon headquarters of the criminal police have no record of René Hasée.  The missing people’s database in
digital format goes back to 1996, said the spokesman. “The name is not registered on the computer database and we have not found it in the paper entries.”  However, the spokesman said this does not mean the case is closed. “Sometimes, a case has to wait years until new information is found in connection with it and it is possible this is one of those cases,” said the spokesman.

The disappearance received no publicity in the Algarve and only limited media coverage at home in Germany.  But, as the world focuses on Madeleine McCann, we should also spare a thought for one German couple who even now, 17 years on, have not given up hope of finding their son.


German Missing Children
Telephone number: 0800 - 116 000
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: John on May 20, 2013, 08:24:46 PM
Artists impression of what René may look like today.

(http://i53.tinypic.com/zj6tg1.jpg)

René Hasée - MISSING

Almost 17 years ago a young family from Sindelsdorf, Germany, went on holiday to the Portuguese Algarve in their motor home.  One day after having eaten they walked down to the beach, René was about 20 feet ahead and suddenly he was gone!  They searched for him but in vain. The local police were immediately informed but no trace of René was ever found. 

Neither Interpol nor the German police were able to help the desperate parents. To date, Anita and Peter go once a year to the Algarve, to search for her son. René would be 23 years old now. René's grandmother Irmgard: "My daughter still dreams of René."
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: registrar on May 20, 2013, 08:36:51 PM
Good luck René

wherever you are
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: Carana on May 20, 2013, 08:40:14 PM
A thought indeed for this missing boy (now an adult if he's still out there somewhere).

Did he have an accident whilst his parents turned their backs or did someone snatch him?

His family needs to know.

The spelling of his name is odd... I doubt that it's correct.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 20, 2013, 08:42:17 PM
I've never heard of shifting sands there.
I only know a beach called "Olhos de agua" (water eyes) with very small wells of freshwater that appear and disappear.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: DCI on May 20, 2013, 08:45:20 PM
A thought indeed for this missing boy (now an adult if he's still out there somewhere).

Did he have an accident whilst his parents turned their backs or did someone snatch him?

His family needs to know.

The spelling of his name is odd... I doubt that it's correct.

It is correct spelling of his name, Carana.

Also, seems the file is lost. According to report in 2008.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 20, 2013, 08:47:46 PM
A thought indeed for this missing boy (now an adult if he's still out there somewhere).

Did he have an accident whilst his parents turned their backs or did someone snatch him?

His family needs to know.

The spelling of his name is odd... I doubt that it's correct.
René Hasée
The mother says he was in front of her and her partner and suddenly was like swallowed by the earth. What can one do with this kind of statement, along with the fact the mother pretends the police did nothing (of course denied by witnesses) ?
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: Carana on May 20, 2013, 08:54:06 PM
A thought indeed for this missing boy (now an adult if he's still out there somewhere).

Did he have an accident whilst his parents turned their backs or did someone snatch him?

His family needs to know.

The spelling of his name is odd... I doubt that it's correct.

It is correct spelling of his name, Carana.

Also, seems the file is lost. According to report in 2008.

I've seen that spelling on forums before concerning this child. But it still seems odd. His name sounds more French than German (which can happen in a mixed-nationality family), but the accents make no sense.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: Carana on May 20, 2013, 08:57:53 PM
A thought indeed for this missing boy (now an adult if he's still out there somewhere).

Did he have an accident whilst his parents turned their backs or did someone snatch him?

His family needs to know.

The spelling of his name is odd... I doubt that it's correct.
René Hasée
The mother says he was in front of her and her partner and suddenly was like swallowed by the earth. What can one do with this kind of statement, along with the fact the mother pretends the police did nothing (of course denied by witnesses) ?

That spelling seems more likely.

I've no idea what happened to this little chap.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: Davel on May 20, 2013, 09:12:17 PM
Do the PJ actually solve any crimes?
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: DCI on May 20, 2013, 09:12:47 PM
Do the PJ actually solve any crimes?

 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: Redblossom on May 20, 2013, 09:33:00 PM
Do the PJ actually solve any crimes?

What do you think? pls do provide statistics for crimes solved in Portugal versus all other countries to support your view that the PT police  are rubbish, look forward to it, till then, bon nuit and have fun researching


Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: registrar on May 20, 2013, 09:36:09 PM
it's true there are multiple spellings of his name on the web

stems from Kerpen near Cologne/Koeln in Germany - where at the time a first name with a french accent

would have been most unusual

Can't make head nor tail of this case - but never had better luck with the Madeleine case either

enlighten me guys
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 20, 2013, 09:45:38 PM
Dear little Rene Hasse - fair haired like all the younger childen who went missing.

As John says missing from the Amoreira beach near to Aljezur on the Atlantic Coast of the Algarve.  A beautiful deep beach  with wonderful Atlantic rollers coming in.  All the way from the US of A.   A surfers paradise and only 17-18 miles crow flies from PdL..

We went there in 2010, but unfortunately we took the wrong side road and ended up on a cliffside to the south of it and could only look down on this big beach from the heights.  We were short of time and never actually went down to the beach as it involved quite a detour

=====================================


When one critically examines this this beach on GEarth, somewhere to the middle back of the beach one sees a building (restaurant, surfing shack or what?) with a car park behind it.  The car park would be hidden from much of the beach by this building.. 

Adjoining this beach, immediately to the North of this building, there is a fairly extensive area of deep sand dunes.  To the rear of the dunes and the building  there is the car park.   

If John has the time a GEarth image would be appreciated, including a shot of the dunes [Am talking about the shots one gets when a blue square is opened].  One particular shot shows very deep dunes.

Only if you have the time John and can do it without too much bother.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Be prepared, another of sadies theories coming up @)(++(*


[Please note that despite my best intentions, I was unable to view this close up, so there is room for errors!]


My thoughts are that Rene was trotting around investigating things, as kids at the seaside do, when he wandered into the edge of the sand dunes.  There was a small group of young men, possibly from the regular Algarve, come here specifically for the surfing.

One of these men liked the look of Rene and the others joined in, enticing Rene and then carrying him to their vehicle before driving off.  It would be possible to carry him/entice him virtually all the way to the car park without being seen

What happened next I have no idea

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As I said above, I have been unable to test my theory because of time contraints, but it seems plausable.


Tin hat on, bunkered down ... waiting for the criticisms, taunts and possible insults!   8(0(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 20, 2013, 11:44:22 PM
Do the PJ actually solve any crimes?

 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(
Sparing your applauses, DCI, could be a good idea ;)
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 20, 2013, 11:46:18 PM
Do the PJ actually solve any crimes?

What do you think? pls do provide statistics for crimes solved in Portugal versus all other countries to support your view that the PT police  are rubbish, look forward to it, till then, bon nuit and have fun researching
Sorry, Redblossom, I have to correct you if you don't mind : Guten Abend or Gute Nacht or Bonne nuit or Boa noite !
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 20, 2013, 11:56:03 PM
fair haired like all the younger childen who went missing.


I had a cleaning lady from Capverde, she had 12 children and more than 20 grand-children. Behind her you would think she was 30, beautiful body, she had the face of a feiticeira (a magician).
She got on my nerves telling how this and that grand-child was fair with green eyes. I even told her she was racist.
Sadie, do you really believe fair is superior ?
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 21, 2013, 12:01:33 AM
Not at all Anne

Just being analytical; just stating a fact.  All the younger abductees were fair

I am /was a brunette with red lights ... now grey




One of my very best friends is a Jamaican lady .. wonderful person
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: AnneGuedes on May 21, 2013, 12:03:34 AM
Not at all Anne

just stating a fact.  All the younger abductees were fair




One of my very best friends is a Jamaican lady .. wonderful person
Have you been in the north of Portugal, Sadie ?
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 21, 2013, 12:05:05 AM
Yep .. been North, South, middle (Lisboa) and a bit in the very central part and to the east.

Beautiful countryside with (mainly) lovely people.  Just the fascist PJ and Justice system that I don't like.

Wonderfiul cities ooozing in character and history

I like PT very much



BUT I DONT LIKE FASCISM or INJUSTICE
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 22, 2013, 11:26:31 PM
I have bumped this because today i have sorted some images out that some might be interested in.  John has very kindly offered to post some of them for me

Dear little Rene Hasse - fair haired like all the younger childen who went missing.

As John says missing from the Amoreira beach near to Aljezur on the Atlantic Coast of the Algarve.  A beautiful deep beach  with wonderful Atlantic rollers coming in.  All the way from the US of A.   A surfers paradise and only 17-18 miles crow flies from PdL..

We went there in 2010, but unfortunately we took the wrong side road and ended up on a cliffside to the south of it and could only look down on this big beach from the heights.  We were short of time and never actually went down to the beach as it involved quite a detour

=====================================


When one critically examines this this beach on GEarth, somewhere to the middle back of the beach one sees a building (restaurant, surfing shack or what?) with a car park behind it.  The car park would be hidden from much of the beach by this building.. 

Adjoining this beach, immediately to the North of this building, there is a fairly extensive area of deep sand dunes.  To the rear of the dunes and the building  there is the car park.   

If John has the time a GEarth image would be appreciated, including a shot of the dunes [Am talking about the shots one gets when a blue square is opened].  One particular shot shows very deep dunes.

Only if you have the time John and can do it without too much bother.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Be prepared, another of sadies theories coming up @)(++(*


[Please note that despite my best intentions, I was unable to view this close up, so there is room for errors!]


My thoughts are that Rene was trotting around investigating things, as kids at the seaside do, when he wandered into the edge of the sand dunes.  There was a small group of young men, possibly from the regular Algarve, come here specifically for the surfing.

One of these men liked the look of Rene and the others joined in, enticing Rene and then carrying him to their vehicle before driving off.  It would be possible to carry him/entice him virtually all the way to the car park without being seen

What happened next I have no idea

----------------------------------------------------------------------

As I said above, I have been unable to test my theory because of time contraints, but it seems plausable.


Tin hat on, bunkered down ... waiting for the criticisms, taunts and possible insults!   8(0(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 22, 2013, 11:49:02 PM
1. Overview Rene Hasse and Southern abductions
This shows the position of Amoreiras surfing beach relative to all the other Southern abductions.  All measurements are GE, as crow flies.  Further by road.  Please note I have taken the centre of places as the spot of the abductions because I dont know exact addresses.
 
They are all close to the main road East - West, then North along the Atlantic Coast.

Thank you John but the RH half of the image is missing when you click on the image ETA.  Ah I see it slides along using the bottom slider.  That is clever. 
May I suggest that when viewing it , you slide it along so that you can see the whole Southern abduction area which all falls within about a 25 mile diameter circle  ... so very localised.  With PdL more or less in the centre


Thank you so much John
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 23, 2013, 12:02:52 AM
2.  Rene Hasse . Amoreira Beach Over view

Another sliding picture.  Controls at the bottom.

This shows Amoreiras Beach (Aljezur) with the tide out.  You can clearly see the high tide mark.  It is approached by quite a long road / track from the main road North.

I viewed from a cliff at the Southern end as shown on the GE image.  The beach is magnificent and extensive.  Unfortunately as it was a good distance away, I couldn't see the detail around the restaurant, such as steps up.  But despite that I got a good feel for it.

The land is higher where the restraurant/surfing shack is..

There are dunes at the back of the beach both at the southern end and the northern end, but those farther away appeared much more pronounced and were well raised above the general level of the beach.


Rene was walking along this beach so the pointer is not absolute
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: John on May 23, 2013, 12:08:41 AM
When I was looking at this story yesterday Sadie, I couldn't find any reference to where they actually were when Rene went missing. In fact some of the family web postings have disappeared now. 

I keep asking myself, if Rene was only a matter of 20 feet or so in front of his parents and they had sight of him how could he possibly disappear in a big wide open beach?  Do you think their story is true?
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 23, 2013, 12:11:48 AM
3.  Rene Hasse.  Amoreira Beach close up

Once again a sliding picture.  Control at the bottom

Was Rene just around the corner ahead as shown on this image?  The restaurant  / Surfing shack are on considerably raised land, but am not sure how raised.  Would be good if some of our PT friends could go, enjoy a days surfing and check that out!
 
If the land was raised a a couple of metres or more. then Rene and anyone behind those buildings would have been out of sight to Mr and Mrs Hasse.  Even had the land been lower the buildings would hide what ever might have been going on behind. 
 
Was Rene lured either into the dunes and then to the car park?  ... or was he enticed along what appears to be a pathway behind the buildings into a car? ... or into the shack?
 


These are only suggestions, a theory if you like, but they seem sound.  Please constructively shoot them down, or add to them
 
 
For many years Renes parents returned every year to Amoreira Beach to search for him.  Maybe still do?   They didn't think he had drowned.
 
 
 
What did happen to Rene?  He was only about 18 miles crow flies from PdL ...  and 25 miles from Silves.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 23, 2013, 12:15:38 AM
When I was looking at this story yesterday Sadie, I couldn't find any reference to where they actually were when Rene went missing. In fact some of the family web postings have disappeared now. 

I keep asking myself, if Rene was only a matter of 20 feet or so in front of his parents and they had sight of him how could he possibly disappear in a big wide open beach?  Do you think their story is true?

Yep, I do.

Eveything pertinent keeps getting whooshed away from the internet as soon as I mention it.  It is a relief to me to find that you are experiencing the same thing.  Links get broken it seems to someones whim.  How this is achieved, I have no idea.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: registrar on May 23, 2013, 12:17:13 AM
I referred to this case as Jonathan Creekish the other day - details are VERY sketchy

The most detailed press report (in a notorious red top) I could find is this

http://www.bild.de/news/inland/vermisst/neue-bild-serie-17931224.bild.html

Happy to translate the salient parts (not a professional translation you understand) if anyone is interested 
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 23, 2013, 12:20:26 AM
Photo !  The Amoreira sand dunes

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/14597332.jpg)

Note the depth of these dunes.  A photo that I was looking at yesterday that showed even greater depth has vanished.  Towards the north of the beach these dunes are considerably raised
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 23, 2013, 12:26:52 AM
Rene Hasse . Photo 2. Amoreira beach

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/1124993.jpg)


Viewed from the north looking south, so the opposite way round to the GE maps.
 
Amoreiras Beach, busy on a midsummer day?  Are these the sand dunes that Rene maybe vanished into?
 
?Restaurant / surfing shack in the background, clearly raised from the beach, so visibility for the Hasses would be nil if Rene was standing where I showed on the last GEarth image and the Hasses were walking up the red line shown on the GE image  (see reply 22).
 
The car parking area is to the rear (off picture to the left) of these buildings.  There appears to be a pathway linking the beach to the car park at the rear of the buildings.  Was Rene enticed along here?  Ice cream perhaps?  See the close up GEarth image.


JOHN THE WRONG IMAGE IS ON POST 24.  Any chance you could change it pls for the GE image entitled CLOSE UP.

Thanks
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 23, 2013, 12:35:27 AM
Rene Hasse. Photo. Surfers on Amoreiras Beach

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/363453.jpg)

Surfers at Amoreiras Beach.
 
Was it a bunch of surfers gaming around in the sand dunes who took Rene?   Perhaps one was evil and egged the others on?  Or was it perhaps one evil surfer/ sunbather who charmed and enticed Rene into a car?  Were they from the PdL area, or nearby Algarve? 
 
This was 17 years ago, so the peeps who did it (maybe), if they were in their late teens/ twenties/ thirties then, would be in their thirties to late forties now.
 
 
 
No-one seems to have come up with the answer to Renes disappearance.  Mum and Dad clearly do not believe he drowned
 
These are only my thoughts and quite possibly will be totally  incorrect ... but that is how he could have vanished
 
 
Anyone add to it, please?
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: registrar on May 23, 2013, 12:37:51 AM
When I was looking at this story yesterday Sadie, I couldn't find any reference to where they actually were when Rene went missing. In fact some of the family web postings have disappeared now. 

I keep asking myself, if Rene was only a matter of 20 feet or so in front of his parents and they had sight of him how could he possibly disappear in a big wide open beach?  Do you think their story is true?

That's one version - the Bild report above paints an entirely different picture - but let's look at some colourful aerial shots of the Algarve instead, shall we?
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: registrar on May 23, 2013, 01:00:33 AM
René had been abducted.

That's what Renés grandparents think too, since their daughter Anita (41 years of age today) and her then boyfriend took René on a summer holiday - and returned without him. It was on the 21st of June - start of summer, when Anita called: 'Mum the boy's gone -she cried down the telephone' 


Gone? Just gone?


'She told us they'd been on the beach. René had eaten calamares and french fries and had intended to go near the water said Irmgard Burbach (grandmother) ' He took off his shirt and trousers and played in the sand, my daughter could see him the whole time. When she wanted to get to him and descended from the restaurant stairs - she lost sight of him briefly. And then, suddenly - there were only his clothes lying about'   

Franz Burbach got into his car and drove to Portugal immediately. René had always been 'his' boy - almost every afternoon the boy had spent at his grandparents.   

Him and his daughter stuck up hundreds of posters, asked witnesses on the beach, hired divers. Argued with the cops who called a close to the search after a few days.

Grandma Irmgard said: ' they said, Anita had not paid attention, René had drowned. But he had a real fear of the waves, would have never gone into the sea on his own. Also, his foot prints stopped just suddenly in the sand'
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 23, 2013, 01:10:47 AM
That is amazing Registrar.  Thank you very much

But why were these stories out there originally that the parents returned every year looking for Rene?  And why is he classed as missing?


 

Thanks for all your work John .. but it looks like my theory is a none runner.  Good bye sadies theory


ETA.
No, I am reading Registrars translation incorrectly.  Rene had taken his clothes off playing in the sand and was near those sand dunes.  He had to be, because they were near the Restaurant with a hidden pathway to the car park.

I still cannot understand the differences between the reports.  Why were they walking along the sands (in several articles I read  a couple or so years ago) with Rene nearby and suddenly they were in the restaurant.  Why has he suddenly got his clothes off.  It just doesn't tie up




Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: registrar on May 23, 2013, 01:27:19 AM
just a report in a red top

but waves in the Algarve can be treacherous - that's why surfing is such a big sport down there

A little boy playing near the water's edge would not have any chance

That too would explain his footprints suddenly disappearing


 
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: icabodcrane on May 23, 2013, 01:40:03 AM
just a report in a red top

but waves in the Algarve can be treacherous - that's why surfing is such a big sport down there

A little boy playing near the water's edge would not have any chance

That too would explain his footprints suddenly disappearing

That is such a touching  post

Little footprints ... 
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: Chinagirl on May 23, 2013, 02:32:22 AM
I cannot, for the life of me, see how Icabodcrane's comment can be construed as deviant.  Just the opposite, in fact.  Registrar's comments, however, are highly abusive.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: John on May 23, 2013, 02:57:02 AM
I don't think he was being flippant so lets all take a deep breath.   ?{)(**

JOHN THE WRONG IMAGE IS ON POST 24.  Any chance you could change it pls for the GE image entitled CLOSE UP.

Thanks

Sadie.  Can you send me that one again, I think I received the same one twice.

I have 3 GE images and 3 photos.

Also, if I reduced the GE images to fit the board you would not be able to read the text thus why I have retained them full size but with a slider bar at the bottom.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: John on May 23, 2013, 03:00:28 AM
It appears that there are two totally different versions of what occurred to that little lad.

Why on earth would the parents say that he was walking in front of them in one and that he was by himself down on the beach in the other.  Could it be that they were feeling guilty at leaving him alone while they dined in the restaurant.   >@@(*&)
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: John on May 23, 2013, 03:44:19 AM
Some more images of the road down to the restaurant and the beach beyond where Rene played.

(http://i.imgur.com/7JRHn8t.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/hHcHsiJ.jpg)
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: John on May 23, 2013, 03:46:39 AM
And views to and from the restaurant.

(http://i.imgur.com/NV55iig.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/u0DRFbh.jpg?1)
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 23, 2013, 04:08:03 PM
I don't think he was being flippant so lets all take a deep breath.   ?{)(**

JOHN THE WRONG IMAGE IS ON POST 24.  Any chance you could change it pls for the GE image entitled CLOSE UP.

Thanks
Sadie.  Can you send me that one again, I think I received the same one twice.

I have 3 GE images and 3 photos.

Also, if I reduced the GE images to fit the board you would not be able to read the text thus why I have retained them full size but with a slider bar at the bottom.
John,

Everything is brilliant now.  Thankyou so much.  I just didn't understand the slider to begin with and thought that I only had half the image.

And the photographs you have posted are superb.  They certainly illustrate how much higher the land is where the ?Restaurant stands.  Where do you find them from?
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 23, 2013, 04:20:02 PM
When I was looking at this story yesterday Sadie, I couldn't find any reference to where they actually were when Rene went missing. In fact some of the family web postings have disappeared now. 

I keep asking myself, if Rene was only a matter of 20 feet or so in front of his parents and they had sight of him how could he possibly disappear in a big wide open beach?  Do you think their story is true?

That's one version - the Bild report above paints an entirely different picture - but let's look at some colourful aerial shots of the Algarve instead, shall we?

Registrar

My apologies for not responding to your earlier post sooner.  I have little computer nous and I am notb good at office type organisation.  It was a mighty challenge to me trying to post the opening series of posts in the right order and check the GE images, that I knew I must not let anything distract me.

I should have requested that nobody post anything until I had finished posting the opening posts.  My fault.  Sorry
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: registrar on May 23, 2013, 09:31:27 PM
Not a problem, Sadie
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 23, 2013, 11:09:04 PM
I was truly surprised by the Bild ( a notorious red top) report, because 3 or 4 years ago, I seriously looked at everything I could find on the internet to do with Rene Hasee and the following things never came up

i)   Never before had i seen suggestion that Rene took his outer clothes off and sat in the sand playing.
ii)  Never before had i seen that Renes footprints vanished suddenly (a la "washed away by the sea"?)



Let's examine that last line about Renes footprints.

1.  It was almost midsummers day so likely quite hot in PT, especially as Rene had taken his clothes off according to that report. 

2.  That beach would have been pretty busy at 6pm on a hot midsummers day. 

3.  Peeps on a beach usually face the sea, or the sun.  It was 6pm, so the sun would have been in the west, but still fairly high in the sky.   The sea was to the west also

4.  With a fair number of peepe there and facing towards the sun and sea, then surely someone would have seen him had he drowned


So what did happen to him?

Was he near the back of the sands, near his Mum?  Did someone see him and piggyback him, whatever, with the promise of an ice cream into the high dunes, or onto the hidden pathway?  The pathway at the back of the restaurant ... to a waiting car?  Or into the surfing shack, if that is what it is?

From Johns photographs, it seems some cars park mighty close to that ?surfing shack.  Could he have first been taken there? ... or along that hidden pathway / over the dunes to the car park?
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: registrar on May 24, 2013, 12:43:50 AM
Agreed the beach would have been busy

Debatable -had his footprints just suddenly disappeared - as he'd been lifted up and carried away by an abductor -
the abductor's footprints would have been in evidence also.

My take on this, either some great sand hole opened underneath the child - swallowed him up completely - AND backfilled itself - unlikely.

But if one considers this plausible - the diggers should be ordered to the exact same spot he dropped his clothes at and disappeared - and should start digging.

Or he just got too close to the water and a freak wave caught and dragged him out - more likely

That, or the responsible adults are lying through their teeth.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: John on May 24, 2013, 12:54:45 AM
I have been out all day so am just catching up now.  My first impression about this case is that something stinks.  Why was the mother telling a load of porkies about how they were all out for a walk and Rene was just yards in front when in her own words the ground swallowed him up????   Were these parents new world hippies on drugs by any chance??

The second story about Rene being down near the waters edge is more plausible.  From the pictures it can be seen that there is a blind spot from the restaurant to the beach.  The beach would also have had quite a few people still on it at that time of year so I would rule out him being swallowed up by a large wave.

My own view is that he was enticed away by someone and then abducted.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: John on May 24, 2013, 12:58:08 AM
In that article which Registrar linked to a while back it is interesting to note that the parents seemed to have been ostracised by the Germany community back in their home town and had to give up their jobs. The parents eventually separated. I ask myself why? 

Is there something about this couple that we don't know?  >@@(*&)
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: registrar on May 24, 2013, 01:04:26 AM
I have been out all day so am just catching up now.  My first impression about this case is that something stinks.  Why was the mother telling a load of porkies about how they were all out for a walk and Rene was just yards in front when in her own words the ground swallowed him up????   Were these parents new world hippies on drugs by any chance??

The second story about Rene being down near the waters edge is more plausible.  From the pictures it can be seen that there is a blind spot from the restaurant to the beach.  The beach would also have had quite a few people still on it at that time of year so I would rule out him being swallowed up by a large wave.

My own view is that he was enticed away by someone and then abducted.

I have scoured the forums just like Sadie has - what's recurring is, that the mother does not speak directly to the media - EVER - it's all done through the grandparents - whom the young chap spent most of his time with in Germany - they appear to retell a version of events that was fed to them.

That raised my antennae without attributing guilt.   
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 24, 2013, 01:35:24 AM
What is troubling me is that this report did not turn up when I scoured the internet originally.

I have never heard any intimation that the footprints suddenly finished at the ocean, which your excellent translation does.

So I tried Google translating it and other translations but none of them read like yours, registrar, which clearly implies that Rene went into the sea.


In fact Google translation came out with virtually the opposite slant.  ie, 

Grandma talking
Quote
"But he was terrified of the waves would never have gone alone into the sea. Moreover, his footsteps stopped right in the sand. "

Elsewhere, altho I cant find it again, I read that his footprints were right in the middle of the beach.  This is the only report that seems to have him taking his clothes off.  My mind is buzzing.  Once again this evening I have spent hours and hours searching the internet



This is the problem with translations, especially with a German To English translation, cos we have so many words to describe things in all shades ...and I believe that Germany has far fewer, so differences do occur.  In most cases it isn't important but in this case it could be.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: registrar on May 24, 2013, 01:41:03 AM
What is troubling me is that this report did not turn up when I scoured the internet originally.

I have never heard any intimation that the footprints suddenly finished at the ocean, which your excellent translation does.

So I tried Google translating it and other translations but none of them read like yours, registrar, which clearly implies that Rene went into the sea.


In fact Google translation came out with virtually the opposite slant.  ie, 

Grandma talking
Quote
"But he was terrified of the waves would never have gone alone into the sea. Moreover, his footsteps stopped right in the sand. "

Elsewhere, altho I cant find it again, I read that his footprints were right in the middle of the beach.  This is the only report that seems to have him taking his clothes off.  My mind is buzzing.  Once again this evening I have spent hours and hours searching the internet



This is the problem with translations, especially with a German To English translation, cos we have so many words to describe things in all shades ...and I believe that Germany has far fewer, so differences do occur.  In most cases it isn't important but in this case it could be.

you are very welcome to Google translations
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 24, 2013, 01:45:14 AM
Interestingly also from Bild - a paper that you call a "notorious Red Top"


1)
Also from Bild:

http://www.bild.de/news/ausland/kindesmord/hat-er-madeleine-auf-dem-gewissen-17788728.bild.html
Thanks to the wonders (rolls eyes) of Google translate:

Quote
/SNIP/-  But there are other interesting parallels: On 19 Disappeared in June 1996 the then six-year-old Rene Hasee from Sindelsdorf (NRW), walk on the beach in the resort of Amoreira - also in Portugal! The place is only about an hour from Praia da Luz.

Police believe Martin N. had at that time been in Portugal and now checks his travels in the past 20 years,the "Express"./SNIP/-


Same newspaper, but different reports.  The report you quoted is out of line with all the others.  What is Bild playing at?
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: registrar on May 24, 2013, 01:48:52 AM
This being your hobby horse

you figure it out Sadie, with Google Translate  @)(++(*

Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 24, 2013, 01:49:24 AM
What is troubling me is that this report did not turn up when I scoured the internet originally.

I have never heard any intimation that the footprints suddenly finished at the ocean, which your excellent translation does.

So I tried Google translating it and other translations but none of them read like yours, registrar, which clearly implies that Rene went into the sea.


In fact Google translation came out with virtually the opposite slant.  ie, 

Grandma talking
Quote
"But he was terrified of the waves would never have gone alone into the sea. Moreover, his footsteps stopped right in the sand. "

Elsewhere, altho I cant find it again, I read that his footprints were right in the middle of the beach.  This is the only report that seems to have him taking his clothes off.  My mind is buzzing.  Once again this evening I have spent hours and hours searching the internet



This is the problem with translations, especially with a German To English translation, cos we have so many words to describe things in all shades ...and I believe that Germany has far fewer, so differences do occur.  In most cases it isn't important but in this case it could be.

you are very welcome to Google translations
@)(++(* I agree they are gawd awful, but I used several different translators and the emphasis seemed to be in the direction of the google one rather than your interpretation.  Soz 8)-))) 8(>((
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: registrar on May 24, 2013, 01:53:41 AM
What is troubling me is that this report did not turn up when I scoured the internet originally.

I have never heard any intimation that the footprints suddenly finished at the ocean, which your excellent translation does.

So I tried Google translating it and other translations but none of them read like yours, registrar, which clearly implies that Rene went into the sea.


In fact Google translation came out with virtually the opposite slant.  ie, 

Grandma talking
Quote
"But he was terrified of the waves would never have gone alone into the sea. Moreover, his footsteps stopped right in the sand. "

Elsewhere, altho I cant find it again, I read that his footprints were right in the middle of the beach.  This is the only report that seems to have him taking his clothes off.  My mind is buzzing.  Once again this evening I have spent hours and hours searching the internet



This is the problem with translations, especially with a German To English translation, cos we have so many words to describe things in all shades ...and I believe that Germany has far fewer, so differences do occur.  In most cases it isn't important but in this case it could be.

you are very welcome to Google translations
@)(++(* I agree they are gawd awful, but I used several different translators and the emphasis seemed to be in the direction of the google one rather than your interpretation.  Soz 8)-))) 8(>((

Go with that then hun - and solve the case ?>)()<
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 24, 2013, 01:56:22 AM
Anyhow I am zonked.  I worked thru the night and saw the dawn in yesterday.  I cant understand where all the Rene Reports have gone.  Only a smattering are there now

Also have searched all this evening for stuff.  Am totally zonked.

Hope Martin Noy didn't get Rene.  He was in PT at the time Rene went missing.

Have to go to bed now.  Nigh night all

sadie x
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 24, 2013, 01:58:53 AM
What is troubling me is that this report did not turn up when I scoured the internet originally.

I have never heard any intimation that the footprints suddenly finished at the ocean, which your excellent translation does.

So I tried Google translating it and other translations but none of them read like yours, registrar, which clearly implies that Rene went into the sea.


In fact Google translation came out with virtually the opposite slant.  ie, 

Grandma talking
Quote
"But he was terrified of the waves would never have gone alone into the sea. Moreover, his footsteps stopped right in the sand. "

Elsewhere, altho I cant find it again, I read that his footprints were right in the middle of the beach.  This is the only report that seems to have him taking his clothes off.  My mind is buzzing.  Once again this evening I have spent hours and hours searching the internet



This is the problem with translations, especially with a German To English translation, cos we have so many words to describe things in all shades ...and I believe that Germany has far fewer, so differences do occur.  In most cases it isn't important but in this case it could be.

you are very welcome to Google translations
@)(++(* I agree they are gawd awful, but I used several different translators and the emphasis seemed to be in the direction of the google one rather than your interpretation.  Soz 8)-))) 8(>((

Go with that then hun - and solve the case ?>)()<

Lol.  Oh I have offended you now 8)><(

Nigh night
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: registrar on May 24, 2013, 02:04:14 AM
Anyhow I am zonked.  I worked thru the night and saw the dawn in yesterday.  I cant understand where all the Rene Reports have gone.  Only a smattering are there now

Also have searched all this evening for stuff.  Am totally zonked.

Hope Martin Noy didn't get Rene.  He was in PT at the time Rene went missing.

Have to go to bed now.  Nigh night all

sadie x



It's Martin Ney - not Noy - Google translator tripped you up again?

And whether he was in the Algarve at the time has not been established as fact

Sleep well

Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 24, 2013, 11:36:29 AM
I have been out all day so am just catching up now.  My first impression about this case is that something stinks.  Why was the mother telling a load of porkies about how they were all out for a walk and Rene was just yards in front when in her own words the ground swallowed him up????   Were these parents new world hippies on drugs by any chance??

The second story about Rene being down near the waters edge is more plausible.  From the pictures it can be seen that
there is a blind spot from the restaurant to the beach.  The beach would also have had quite a few people still on it at that time of year so I would rule out him being swallowed up by a large wave.

My own view is that he was enticed away by someone and then abducted.

http://www.bild.de/news/inland/vermisst/neue-bild-serie-17931224.bild.html

She was a Postmistress according to this report .... so there should be some integrity there.  Altho I have also seen her called a postal worker, which could be rather different.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 24, 2013, 01:01:02 PM
registrar
Quote
It's Martin Ney - not Noy - Google translator tripped you up again?

And whether he was in the Algarve at the time has not been established as fact[.quote]

Sleep well

Slept well, thankyou.

Not Google ... or any other translate.  My awful spelling.  Also Hasse instead of the more usual Hasee.  Sorry Rene.

There are thoughts that Ney was in PT at the time.,  Unsure about his being in the Algarve.  Wonder if the surfing school has been checked out for names of people participating at that time?
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: registrar on May 24, 2013, 01:40:12 PM
You may want to watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT_Q6aosIws

sand dunes (twice)
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 24, 2013, 09:26:14 PM
Crikey Registrar

Thank you for posting that.

Martin Ney ....what a pleasant looking guy, with such an easy manner.  Obviously the kids really liked him and flocked around him, it seems.  A charmer.  Was he a youth worker?


5.30 footsteps in the sand.  Neys?

6.30 sand dunes, deeply dug out sand dunes by the look of them.  What is that lying in the bottom of the dug out?  A nude Ney?  or what?   >@@(*&)  Does the narrative explain? ... please

6.36  The blanket.  What was going on under the blanket?  Was he hiding something?  8)-))) Or am I imagining things? 8**8:/:  Cant uderstand why the blanket ... shown again at the end of the video

7.21  The words.  Dont understand them except for ...errrm....hand and p^^^s .... rubbed it.   Who? 

Somewhere else I gleaned that Ney had no problems with the children; they just came to him.   Does he say that he only likes boys, or does he say he is bi-sexual?

A highly successful predator.  Oodles of charm.


Am I right with the things above?   What have I missed? .... If it is decent, can you add to it, please.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: registrar on May 24, 2013, 10:49:54 PM
Obtain a transcript

and google translate it

Bob's your uncle
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 24, 2013, 10:53:47 PM
Obtain a transcript

and google translate it

Bob's your uncle

Thanks registrar

Big of you ?{)(** 8**8:/:
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: registrar on May 24, 2013, 10:59:16 PM
Obtain a transcript

and google translate it

Bob's your uncle

Thanks registrar

Big of you ?{)(** 8**8:/:

we please to aim
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 24, 2013, 11:13:15 PM
Obtain a transcript

and google translate it

Bob's your uncle

Thanks registrar

Big of you ?{)(** 8**8:/:

we please to aim

So I have noticed  @)(++(*
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: Admin on May 27, 2013, 02:47:28 PM
Here is a new video courtesy of Sadie which we have pleasure in posting. 

It features Amoreira Beach where René Hasee disappeared.

(http://i.imgur.com/4p8v6jH.jpg) (http://player.vimeo.com/video/29038203?)

Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: Carana on May 27, 2013, 03:28:17 PM
No idea. The little boy could have disappeared in a wave, dune or whatever, or could have been abducted.

If he had simply been too close to the shore, and had been taken in by a wave, wouldn't his body have been washed up?
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: devils advocate on May 27, 2013, 03:39:04 PM
No idea. The little boy could have disappeared in a wave, dune or whatever, or could have been abducted.

If he had simply been too close to the shore, and had been taken in by a wave, wouldn't his body have been washed up?
I agree with that comment.The sea isn't by any means deep near the shore and had the little boy been toppled by a rogue wave there would have been loads of people around to help him.My thoughts are that he wandered off and was taken or someone lured him away before abducting him.With so many of these cases it is planned beforehand.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: registrar on May 27, 2013, 04:24:54 PM
Here is a new video courtesy of Sadie which we have pleasure in posting. 

It features Amoreira Beach where René Hasee disappeared.

(http://i.imgur.com/4p8v6jH.jpg) (http://player.vimeo.com/video/29038203?)

excellent find admin

seems to show the very steps the young lad's mum walked down

(unless she walked 20-30 yards behind him on the sands - if one chooses to believe other reports)
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on May 27, 2013, 06:10:12 PM
Here is a new video courtesy of Sadie which we have pleasure in posting. 

It features Amoreira Beach where René Hasee disappeared.

(http://i.imgur.com/4p8v6jH.jpg) (http://player.vimeo.com/video/29038203?)

Oh thankyou Admin!  Sorry to have pestered you to post it

Also sorry to have been away when this video was posted.  Hubby wanted me to do something.



I dont think that the early shots are of Amoreiras beach.  The beaches look fairly similar, but if you look carefully you will see a rock out to sea.  When the rock is there, that is NOT Amoreiras Beach.

0.35 sees the start of Amoreiras beach and most of it after that appears to be the same beach.  Lovely beach.

0.46 shows steps to the restaurant.  I have double checked with Johns photos and i am pretty sure that is the restaurant on Amoreiras becah, presumably where they ate.  That area on its rocky outcrop is seriously raised; the beach is well below.  Anyone standing or walking in the area south of that rocky out crop would not be able to see anyone to the north of the outcrop.

0.54  the surfers lining up on the beach lying on their boards are on Amorieras beach.  I suspect that Rene was exploring somewhere about here, or maybe further back on the beach, nearer the dunes

0.56  I am not sure that these are tghe same surfers, nor that this is Amoreiras because viewing this video in conjunction with GE, one or two things do not seem quite right.  Most especially the flat roof of the building looks wrong and the angle of the path up.    Must check this with Johns photos. 

But if it is Amoreiras, there is a Nestle icecream van/advertising hoarding just behind the surfers up on that raised area.
Probably the same set up at most of the surfing beaches hereabouts.

1.01 onwards:    Several shots of really shallow water, most if not all of Amoreiras beach.  I just cant believe that a little boy who is afraid of the water could be washed away in such conditions.

Is that a lifeguard too?




Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: Luz on August 07, 2013, 01:21:14 AM
Do the PJ actually solve any crimes?

Much more than the British; but fortunately there are much less crimes of child abductions or child homicides in Portugal.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on August 09, 2013, 03:46:56 PM
Much more than the British; but fortunately there are much less crimes of child abductions or child homicides in Portugal.
Haven't heard of any they have solved, Luz

Like to enlighten me?
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: colombosstogey on November 15, 2013, 04:52:32 PM
Much more than the British; but fortunately there are much less crimes of child abductions or child homicides in Portugal.

I actually read something very interesting about the case some years back there was a thought he had disappared into a sink hole in the sand dunes...... It does happen. It was odd apparantly as there were footsteps found but they just stopped.

When you look at the area, it is full of sand dunes, and there is a fierce rip tide, it wouldnt take much for a child to go under and be dragged out without even seeing him. It happens a lot kids being dragged out to sea and never seen again.

Sink holes are a lot more common then we realise. Not only that sometimes the ground becomes unstable if someone has built a load of tunnels in one area and the sand just over takes you.

Its a theory that could be viable. It also depends on just how long the mum had the boy out of vision. You dont think someone is just going to disappear like that. Also from the area of the beach I cant see how someone could have just walked up to him and taken him away makes no sense.

I expect a tragic accident happened here some how it isnt always about being abducted. Kids get lost all the time and never found.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: VIXTE on February 25, 2014, 01:42:16 PM

Renee Hasse well there is conflicting information about him....

The Interpol Missing Children website have no record of a Rene Hasse, Hasse or Haase as missing anywhere let alone Portugal. Also, the German Missing Kids website also has no record of anyone by that name.

Its an odd one.....

So really in the area, we have NO MISSING CHILDREN confirmed....



Maybe because Renee Hase is no longer a child?
Here is report in German from Bild-Zeitung
http://www.bild.de/news/inland/vermisst/neue-bild-serie-17931224.bild.html

Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: colombosstogey on February 26, 2014, 06:58:29 AM
Maybe because Renee Hase is no longer a child?
Here is report in German from Bild-Zeitung
http://www.bild.de/news/inland/vermisst/neue-bild-serie-17931224.bild.html

I am talking about years ago it was never reported. My friend lives in Germany and has kept me up to speed on this case.

There is no PROOF he was abducted by a stranger.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: John on February 26, 2014, 08:43:29 AM
I am talking about years ago it was never reported. My friend lives in Germany and has kept me up to speed on this case.

There is no PROOF he was abducted by a stranger.

That's correct, according to his parents he was playing on the beach just below the restaurant when he disappeared.   Just like Ben Needham, one minute he was there, the next he was gone without trace.  Yeremi Vargas (7) was yet another who disappeared from outside his home on Gran Canaria on 10th March 2007 (just 8 weeks before Madeleine disappeared).

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aqN9R5ijtgk/TiYFpQu08CI/AAAAAAAA_XU/HVC4G7KLxsY/s640/49181-4g.jpg)

Yeremi Vargas was just 7 when he disappeared from outside his home.

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3013.msg108439#msg108439
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: Cariad on February 26, 2014, 09:33:46 AM
That's correct, according to his parents he was playing on the beach just below the restaurant when he disappeared.   Just like Ben Needham, one minute he was there, the next he was gone without trace.  Yeremi Vargas (7) was yet another who disappeared from outside his home on Gran Canaria on 10th March 2007 (just 8 weeks before Madeleine disappeared).

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aqN9R5ijtgk/TiYFpQu08CI/AAAAAAAA_XU/HVC4G7KLxsY/s640/49181-4g.jpg)

Yeremi Vargas was just 7 when he disappeared from outside his home.

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3013.msg108439#msg108439

Ah! So this guys M.O is to travel all over Europe abducting children? Wow, he does have a big playing field doesn't he?

That makes all the difference!

Right guys, we're looking for a spotty, ugly, bundling man/woman who abducts kids from anywhere in Europe, the children can range in age from 0-18 and be of either sex.

You know what, I think Sadie and SH are right. He's probably re offended, given that criteria.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: colombosstogey on February 26, 2014, 09:37:18 AM
That's correct, according to his parents he was playing on the beach just below the restaurant when he disappeared.   Just like Ben Needham, one minute he was there, the next he was gone without trace.  Yeremi Vargas (7) was yet another who disappeared from outside his home on Gran Canaria on 10th March 2007 (just 8 weeks before Madeleine disappeared).

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aqN9R5ijtgk/TiYFpQu08CI/AAAAAAAA_XU/HVC4G7KLxsY/s640/49181-4g.jpg)

Yeremi Vargas was just 7 when he disappeared from outside his home.

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3013.msg108439#msg108439

Actually to be totally correct, they were walking from a restaurant, and the boy went onto the sand dunes in front of them, and simply DISAPPEARED. They were very close behind him and say it is a mystery how he could have just vanished.

He could have fallen into a hole though which was one thought and covered up again.....

The case is very odd and hard to actually find stuff about it.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on March 05, 2014, 11:15:16 AM
Actually to be totally correct, they were walking from a restaurant, and the boy went onto the sand dunes in front of them, and simply DISAPPEARED. They were very close behind him and say it is a mystery how he could have just vanished.

He could have fallen into a hole though which was one thought and covered up again.....

The case is very odd and hard to actually find stuff about it.


(http://i.imgur.com/9Z91UcA.jpg)
Rene Hasee


At one time there were multiple webpages about Rene, Colom, but they seem to have vanished and the information seems to have changed.

Like you, I remember that the parents were walking along the beach with Rene pottering around near them, never far away, investigating everything as kids do, when suddenly he had vanished.

I always felt that he had been tempted from the main beach into the sand dunes by the offer of an ice cream, or some other enducement.  Then swiftly over come and taken to the immediately adjacent car park, into a vehivcle and whooshed away. 

It was Portugal, at 6 pm on a mid summer evening, in June IIRC.  After work.  That beach would have had loads of people on it, mainly looking towards the sea ... and if something had happened, other than at the very rear of the beach it would have surely been witnessed by some of them.


The only danger at the rear of the beach was some-one, or some peeps intent on taking him, imo.   There is the slightest chance of the sands swallowing him, I suppose, but that is so rare that it seems a no goer to me.


I believe he was tempted into the dunes, grabbed and made off with.  However these are only my thoughts. 


I would welcome some other likely scenarios bearing in mind the time of day and the likelyhood of a good many people, mainly looking towards the sea, on that beach.


It was reported that the PJ didn't bother to look.  They said he had drowned.  No witnesses to that.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: Anna on March 05, 2014, 11:51:00 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/9Z91UcA.jpg)
Rene Hasee


At one time there were multiple webpages about Rene, Colom, but they seem to have vanished and the information seems to have changed.

Like you, I remember that the parents were walking along the beach with Rene pottering around near them, never far away, investigating everything as kids do, when suddenly he had vanished.

I always felt that he had been tempted from the main beach into the sand dunes by the offer of an ice cream, or some other enducement.  Then swiftly over come and taken to the immediately adjacent car park, into a vehivcle and whooshed away. 

It was Portugal, at 6 pm on a mid summer evening, in June IIRC.  After work.  That beach would have had loads of people on it, mainly looking towards the sea ... and if something had happened, other than at the very rear of the beach it would have surely been witnessed by some of them.


The only danger at the rear of the beach was some-one, or some peeps intent on taking him, imo.   There is the slightest chance of the sands swallowing him, I suppose, but that is so rare that it seems a no goer to me.


I believe he was tempted into the dunes, grabbed and made off with.  However these are only my thoughts. 


I would welcome some other likely scenarios bearing in mind the time of day and the likelyhood of a good many people, mainly looking towards the sea, on that beach.


It was reported that the PJ didn't bother to look.  They said he had drowned.  No witnesses to that.

I thought this might have been a freak wave as happened more recently to a child and grandparents who were dragged out to sea. Luckily someone saw it happen and called the lifeboats ,but I think only the grandma survived. Tragic.
Then I thought of the sand dunes sucking him into a void, but surely there would have been some sound of this happening.
I think it had to be an abduction what else is there. Beautiful little boy and would be a handsome young man now. That poor family.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: Anna on March 05, 2014, 04:50:18 PM
I have just been reading back on this and I cant see where this thread is associated specifically to Madeleine McCann .
Anyway, back to topic......It looks like there is a possibility that the mother was in the restaurant where she thought she could see him, when he disappeared, so it would appear to be an abduction. If he drowned or went down a sand sink, surely someone would have noticed, But they wouldn't notice an adult leading a child away by his hand.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: John on March 06, 2014, 09:07:07 AM
This case is suspicious.  The parents story was that the child was just in front of them as they walked on the beach and just disappeared.  I don't believe that for a minute.

Quote from: opening post
René Hasée, who was six, disappeared from the Amoreira beach near Aljezur on 19 June1996.  His mother, Anita, a 37-year-old postal worker who was on holiday with her partner Peter and René, told a German newspaper at the time, “We had just eaten something and gone down to the beach.”  It was around 6pm and she said Renè was around 30 metres in front of her when “suddenly our son disappeared as if he had been swallowed by the earth.

Rene Hasse . Photo 2. Amoreira beach

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/1124993.jpg)

More photos from the car park where the Hasée camper van was parked. (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1608.msg48550#msg48550)


This is the location the mother is talking about. They walked down from the car park and/or restaurant (shown left) to the beach.  The beach is flat so how could a child disappear unless he wandered off?
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on March 06, 2014, 03:06:07 PM
I have just been reading back on this and I cant see where this thread is associated specifically to Madeleine McCann .
Anyway, back to topic......It looks like there is a possibility that the mother was in the restaurant where she thought she could see him, when he disappeared, so it would appear to be an abduction. If he drowned or went down a sand sink, surely someone would have noticed, But they wouldn't notice an adult leading a child away by his hand.
There are at least two different versions Anna.

The earlier reports seemed to be saying that they were walking along the beach with Rene pottering around looking at things fairly close by, sometimes in front, sometimes behind.   More recent reports seemed to have changed and to to say that they were eating / drinking at the cafe with Rene playing in the sands just below and after they had eaten they came down the steps to be with him and he had vanished.    I prefer the earlier ones that were around; they are less likely to have been tinkered with.

That beach is Very deep and very beautiful with high sand dunes with hidden areas.  These are very close to the cafe as you can see from Johns image above and the car park is behind [off the image to the left.]  I haven't been on the actual beach but I have  been on the adjoing cliff and looked down on it from the southern end.    About 500 metres away from the cafe.

If it had been an abduction, which seems most likely, then it would have been very easy to carry it out and drive off without being seen with the main car park being hidden from most peoples view by the cafe and surfing shack.  The level of land there was several yards higher than the beach, so these premises and the higher land would pretty well hide parts of the car park from vision to anyone on the beach

(http://i.imgur.com/4p8v6jH.jpg) (http://player.vimeo.com/video/29038203?)
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All Rene had to do was wander up into the edge of the sand dunes, [perhaps be enticed up there?] and in a flash he could have been bundled into a venicle and away.  If the Detroux abductors could do it with teenagers, Rene would be easy to take.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: Redblossom on March 07, 2014, 07:17:27 AM
Anyone know why this missing person case is not on interpol?
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on March 07, 2014, 10:31:19 PM
Anyone know why this missing person case is not on interpol?
Maybe because the PJ took no notice of it ? ..... saying that Rene had drowned, I understand.   Pls correct me if I have this wrong.

Nothing to indicate drowning tho.

And seems unlikely to me that such a thing could have happened at 6 pm on a pleasant midsummer evening, with presumably a good many people on the beach, looking towards the sea.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: John on March 07, 2014, 11:57:57 PM
Sadie...do you think there is more to this case than we are being told?
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on March 08, 2014, 01:38:03 AM
Sadie...do you think there is more to this case than we are being told?
John, I have all sorts of thoughts in these cases ... and especially re:  why didn't the PJ react to missing children, as seems to be the case at times.

But I am not being drawn on these.  Sorry
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on March 08, 2014, 12:52:21 PM
Anyone know why this missing person case is not on interpol?

Interesting question. It's not as if it can have escaped their attention.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on March 09, 2014, 07:10:32 PM
Interesting question. It's not as if it can have escaped their attention.
Would it go on interpol if the PJ just swept it under the carpet ? 

According to reports they said he had been drowned,  But NO forensics and NO witnesses on a beach at 6 pm on a pleasant day, mid summer.
Title: feet vs metres
Post by: lane99 on June 17, 2014, 11:52:00 PM
The thread description says: "René was about 20 feet ahead and suddenly he was gone!"  While the opening post in the thread reports it was 30 metres.

30 metres is equivalent to about 100 feet.

So there's a discrepancy there.  I'll take a guess that 30m (100 ft)  is the true figure, and the reason for the discrepancy is that, in the thread description, 30 metres was incorrectly converted to just 20 ft.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 19, 2014, 03:20:44 PM
This doesn't seem to make any sense- in there a translation issue?

If they were walking away from the restaurant which direction were they going? towards the sea in  front of the restaurant or back towards the car park-over the dunes?

What an adorable child, it would kill me to lose my son under any circumstances, but this?
Title: Re: feet vs metres
Post by: John on June 24, 2014, 02:00:26 PM
The thread description says: "René was about 20 feet ahead and suddenly he was gone!"  While the opening post in the thread reports it was 30 metres.

30 metres is equivalent to about 100 feet.

So there's a discrepancy there.  I'll take a guess that 30m (100 ft)  is the true figure, and the reason for the discrepancy is that, in the thread description, 30 metres was incorrectly converted to just 20 ft.

I know there was some dubiety in the distances quoted but there is no way to verify them at the moment.  It sounds strange for a child to be a matter of feet in front and then disappear but it happened to me with my 3-year-old in Majorca.  One second he was by my feet on the beach, then a momentary distraction and he was gone!  Shock Horror!!!

I walked for which must have been a mile up and down between the beach parasols but had to give up and go back to where I had set off from.  A few minutes later two Guardia Civil cops approached with my son in tow.  I got a real mouthful from them in Spanish (didn't understand a word but got the message). My little-un had decided to walk up to the pavillion and was sat on a stool watching people use the one-armed bandits!  How he managed to slip away is still a mystery.

Title: Re: feet vs metres
Post by: lane99 on July 25, 2014, 10:07:38 PM
Other than in your "reply #1" (and the thread description) I don't find any published report of "20 FEET" on the internet. 

Meanwhile, whether or not that figure is accurate in THIS case, I agree it could be in others.  I had a terrifying experience similar to yours while I was wading along the shore of the ocean with my three year old nephew about 15ft from me.

I turned my head for no more than 5 seconds, and when I looked back, I couldn't see him.  INSTANT PANIC.  Luckily within the next 5 seconds, as I screamed his name and desperately scanned 360 degrees, I found he was actually in the same spot I had seen him just a moment before.  But he had bent at the waist so he was less visible, and also the sun glaring in the water had made it difficult to see.

Lesson learned: NO, it's not okay to look away for even 5 seconds in that kind of situation.

 
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: John on July 26, 2014, 06:12:02 PM
When you are entrusted with the care of a relatives child and this sort of thing happens the sense of foreboding must be even greater.  A parent usually knows where they stand (pun) but losing a child when in charge as an aunt or uncle must be devastating and an enormous sense of guilt to bear.  There are the exceptions though and Rosdeep Adekoya is proof if any were needed of that.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: sadie on June 08, 2020, 12:17:22 AM
John, you very kindly posted explanatory photos for me on this thread.  Many of them were on page 2, but they have now vanished.

Since the Christian Bruckner case mentioned Rene Hassee, there is renewed interest in this thread.  Please could you repost the missing photos.

Thanks.
Title: Re: René Hasée (6) - The boy who has never been found after 17 years.
Post by: IndigoJ on September 18, 2020, 07:19:43 PM
according to a piece in The Telegraph they had eaten at a restaurant then went for a walk on the beach , the child took off his shirt and trousers because he wanted to go into the water and the adults "lost sight of him" , does not sound like an abduction case to me.