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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => The Private Investigators => Topic started by: Mr Moderator on December 15, 2013, 02:06:39 AM

Title: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Mr Moderator on December 15, 2013, 02:06:39 AM
The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3

Barcelona-based Spanish PI firm Método 3 was a team of private investigators hired by the McCanns when they returned to the UK, after the Policia Judiciaria had made them 'arguidos' in September 2007.  This family run detective agency was set up in the mid 1980's by Maria Marco, known as Marita and also known as Marita Fernandez Lado. The director-general of the agency in 2007 was her son, Francisco Marco.  At the time Método 3 were hired, Mr Marco insisted that he had a "100 per cent" success rate and had reunited 23 missing children and teenagers with their families. However, in November 2007, he refused to discuss his claims with The Sunday Telegraph, insisting he was ''too busy with his investigation" to discuss it.

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Francisco Marco, director and boss of Método 3

On 19 October 2007, Alberto Carbas, the head of the Spanish CID Anti-Kidnapping Unit (Unidad de Secuestros de la Policia Judicial) contacted the PJ and asked detectives in charge of Madeleine's investigation it they were willing to have a meeting with a representative from Metodo 3 and a Spanish police officer from the same unit.

The purpose of the meeting was to give the PJ some information those detectives had. The Spanish police officer made clear that Metodo 3 had no intention of interfering in the Portuguese police work, but only to transmit some useful information. In the same contact, Metodo 3 said that they were not working for the McCanns, but for Brian Kennedy.

On November 13, 2007, the meeting took place, in Portimão. Two PJ detectives – Ricardo Paiva and Paulo Ferreira. - the director of Metodo 3, Mr. Francisco Marco, an adviser from the private detectives company, Mr. António Jimenez (former head of Police Anti-Kidnapping Unit from Catalonia) and Mr. Brian Kennedy participated in the meeting.

The two PJ detectives submitted a report, about the meeting, the information exchanged and the investigations, following the leads given by Metodo 3.

On the report, which is in the DVD files, it's referred that Mr. Kennedy stressed, just as the meeting started, that his only intent was a charitable one, because he was concerned with cases related with child neglect and missing children. He stated that his concern, in that specific case, was only the truth and nothing more than the truth, irrespective if the McCanns, their friends or any other person was involved or suspect.
 
In 2003, Marco said in an interview that as far as his agency was concerned ''Our focus is companies''. In fact, the primary line of work for Método 3 was to investigate company fraud - which explains why their senior employees were all lawyers. The firm however was not short on controversy when its detectives were arrested in 1995 in a phone-tapping scandal linked to leading politicians and businessmen. Marco's mother, Maria Fernandez Lado, was pictured in handcuffs after being arrested as she handed a client a cassette allegedly containing a phone-tapped conversation.

In a raid on Método 3's Barcelona offices, police seized handguns, ammunition, listening equipment, cassettes and transcripts of taped phone calls. But four months later the case was 'archived' when the judge said there was no evidence Método 3 had been involved in phone tapping or profited from it.

Those revelations brought into question the suitability of the firm in running the McCanns' investigation. It was not known if the McCanns were aware of Método 3's past but a fellow private investigator said of them, "They have portrayed themselves as the best investigators in the world. The truth is they are nothing of the sort. Their murky background is riddled with controversy."

Their big break came nearly 10 years later, when M-3 was credited with tracking down one of Spain’s most-infamous spies, Francisco Paesa, a notorious arms dealer and double agent also known as “El Zorro” (The Fox) and “the man with a thousand faces”. Paesa fled Spain after being charged with money-laundering. His family claimed he died in Thailand in 1998 and arranged for Gregorian masses to be sung for his soul for a month at a Cistercian monastery in northern Spain. Acting for a client who claimed to have been defrauded by Paesa’s niece, M-3 traced the fugitive to Luxembourg. At the behest of the Spanish national newspaper El Mundo, the agency then traced him to Paris. Paesa remains on the run, however.

In 2007 in collaboration with El Mundo, and again by following an illegal money trail, M-3 tracked down the daughter of the wanted Nazi war criminal Aribert Heim to a farm in Chile. “This was pro-bono work, and we only do it when we have time,” says Marco. The hard-pressed detective did have time just before Christmas, however, to launch a book he had co-written with a Spanish journalist. The book claims that clients of M-3 sacked directors of a charity involved in sponsoring children in the Third World, were victims of a plot to discredit them by people associated with a Spanish branch of Oxfam who were jealous that the public was giving them large donations. The sacked directors were then still under investigation for fraud.   

On 15 September 2007, John McCann issued a statement from the board of Madeleine's Fund which stated:

''On behalf of the extended McCann family and the Madeleine Fund, I would like to say how grateful we are for people's generosity and support.

The main objective of the Madeleine Fund is to leave no stone unturned in the search for Madeleine.

To that end I would like to announce that the Fund will finance a broad range of initiatives in advertising to remind everyone that Madeleine is still missing. These adverts will focus on Spain, Portugal and other parts of Europe and will consist of billboards and other media. This financing of advertisements will complement previous efforts by the Fund and many motivated individuals – family, friends and people touched by our cause.

I hope that the general public will continue to support us in this.

It is so important that we remember: "don't you forget about me"- our lovely wee Madeleine.''

It is almost certain that Metodo 3 would have been hired by this date and that makes John McCann's statement even more extraordinary. He is making a public statement to announce new advertising initiatives, unlikely to cost more than £80,000, yet, it would appear, the board of directors are failing to make public the fact that they have just committed £600,000 of Madeleine's Fund - which they have been put in place to administer - to Metodo 3.

It may be within their rights, as a limited company, to announce and keep secret whatever they like. However, given the board's desire to make public their commitment to finding Madeleine, there would appear to be more than hint of deception about concealing such important information. Especially as the official Find Madeleine site states that 'An experienced Fund Administrator has been appointed to ensure the highest standards of transparency and accountability'.

As far as the search for Madeleine was concerned the firm was initially engaged on a 6 month contract when it was realised that English or US investigators might not receive the cooperation of the Portuguese people.  The Madeleine Fund board initially set aside the sum of £600,000 to cover their contract which equated to £50,000 per month. Their involvement was not made public however until 24 October 2007 when during a Press conference they publicly boasted that they would have Madeleine home by that Christmas.  The announcement was timed to coincide with an Antena 3 TV interview, broadcast on Spanish television that night - the first interview by the McCanns since receiving their arguido status.

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Kate and Gerry McCann appear on Spanish TV network Antenna 3

It enabled both the announcement of the agency and Metodo 3's telephone number to receive maximum coverage from a global audience. That impact was seemingly valued higher by the McCanns' team than the 'transparency' of revealing when they were hired and for how much.  Metodo 3 managing director Francisco Marco, 35, exclusively told the News of the World: "I'm certain Madeleine was kidnapped. And I'm also sure her parents had nothing to do with her disappearance.

"My own view is the most likely place to find her is Morocco. We're working very hard on all information indicating that. But I stress that we are following up EVERYTHING."

So, what were Metodo 3 doing for nearly two months before the McCanns announced that they had been hired?

Were they receiving £50,000 per month from Madeleine's Fund, and an undisclosed sum from the McCanns' wealthy backers, just for keeping secret?

It is more likely they were working stealthily to get witnesses on board to support the McCanns case. According to Clarence Mitchell, Metodo 3 have been active in Portugal, which is illegal under Portuguese law, but Mr Mitchell claims Alipio Ribeiro has been turning a blind eye to it.

Daily Mail, 28 November 2007:

The McCanns' spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said: "The fund has agreed to pay Metodo 3 £50,000 a month towards their costs."

Asked about donations, he said: "Money pours in at the start and dries up after a while, it's only natural. Money is still coming in."

Daily Mail, 10 January 2008:

'He (Clarence Mitchell) said the Find Madeleine board members and the McCanns' multi-millionaire backer, double glazing tycoon Brian Kennedy, would meet to discuss the contract (of Metodo 3) in February.

"It is a matter for the bankers and the fund to make the final decision," he said.

"We are paying Metodo 3 £50,000 a month so of course it is a subject of debate. The decision is as much with Brian as it is with the fund, which pays for Metodo 3's involvement."

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Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Mr Moderator on December 15, 2013, 11:43:13 AM
Método 3 initially worked on the theory that Madeleine McCann had been abducted by a Portuguese paedophile before being transported to Morocco.  There have also been a string of sightings in Morocco of young girls resembling Maddie. Six days after she vanished, Norweigan-born Mari Pollard, 45, said she was "100 per cent certain" she saw Madeleine at a garage in Marrakesh.

In September it emerged a second sighting had ALREADY been reported by a holidaymaker from Yorkshire in a hotel opposite the garage.

Then Jeannie Thompson, 56, from Devon said she saw a blonde girl looking "dishevelled" as a man took photographs of her at a the Cafe des Epices in Marrakesh on May 11.  Three more women have since come forward with sightings.  At one point they claimed to have found a blonde girl who had been kidnapped by a Moroccan family.  Metodo 3 said Interpol is investigating the discovery of the blonde girl living in the Rif mountains — the area where they are searching for Madeleine.

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The Rif Mountains are home to the Berber people.  It is also the centre of hashish production in Morocco.

An insider said: "She was not Madeleine but she was an English speaker, possibly an American...investigators came across her as they were working to find Madeleine and have tipped off Interpol. There is a long history of girls being kidnapped from Europe and ending up in Morocco.  It's a very secretive country and the area of the Rif mountains enjoys official protection because of the importance of the hashish production and trafficking that goes on to the country's economy.  It was obvious to the investigators that this girl was not with her natural family. It's entirely feasible that Madeleine could be in a similar situation."

The boss of Metodo 3 said he believed Madeleine was abducted by a care worker on the instruction of a paedophile gang who stole the child to order.  He believes another girl matching Madeleine's description, who has been spotted with a woman aged about 60 in the Rif mountains by 10 different people, could well be the four-year-old who went missing from the Algarve on 3 May.

Morocco had a reputation as a haven for paedophiles and Kate and Gerry paid a two-day visit earlier in the hunt to meet the Interior Minister and conduct a series of talks with child protection officers.

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On one occasion a Berber family even had to produce their child's birth certificate when it
was claimed that she could have been abducted just because she had blonde hair.

Mark Williams-Thomas, a former detective and managing director of child protection consultancy WT Associates, said: “It is an astonishing amount of money that is being spent focusing on Morocco.

"There is a big difference between a sighting and information. Unless you have definite information that suggests she is in Morocco then it seems pointless.

“The likelihood of Madeleine being taken out of Portugal is very slim. I would be concentrating more on Portugal than anywhere else. To me, it holds the key.”

George Joffe, a professor at King's College London and an expert on north Africa, said: “It strikes me as wishful thinking that Madeleine is in Morocco. The fact is, blonde, blue-eyed children in northern Morocco are not uncommon. It is not an indication they are stolen.”

In the town of Chefchaouen, a reporter spotted Aya, who is the same age as Madeleine. Her father, a farmer, was amused when showed a photograph of the missing girl and pointed out her similarity to his daughter.

He said: “It is easy to see how a tourist might think this is Madeleine but there are plenty of blonde children here.”

In the village of Souk-el-Arba-des-Beni- Hassan, men gathered round to view posters of Madeleine and an artist's impression image of a moustached man of north African appearance who had been a possible suspect.

He has since been ruled out of the case. The drawing produced almost hysterical laughter.

“There are a million men who look like this,” said Mustafa Ben Dris, who was about the only man there without a moustache.

Looking at posters of Madeleine with Arabic writing on, which we downloaded from the Find Madeleine website, Mustafa said: “We have never heard of Madeleine McCann but she is not here.

"She doesn't have an African face, she has a European face. You could not hide her here.” 

As well as Metodo 3 they are using the skills of British-based Control Risks Group. Dozens of agents worldwide were now working on the mystery for the McCanns, with more on standby.  In contrast, the Portuguese police have a relatively small team and at one stage it dropped to just six.  One obstacle to Metodo 3's efforts was Portugal's lack of a sex offenders' register.

Despite extensive enquiries and after following numerous leads however, Método 3 failed to unravel the mystery, they effectively failed to deliver on any of their promises.  Repeated requests by reporters to witness the agency's team in Morocco at work were always turned down.

One million posters of the artist's impression were to be distributed in Morocco and in Spain and Portugal - paid for by the News Of The World in exchange for its exclusive last Sunday revealing details of the man.  The response led to a series of leads being followed by Metodo 3 but the chances of finding Madeleine there were almost nil.

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Poster: Madeleine's image has been widely circulated in her parents' campaign to find her

As interior minister Chakib Benmoussa, who met the McCanns when they visited in June, said: “There is absolutely no evidence Madeleine is here.”

A source close to the McCanns stated,  ''The harsh fact is that they were pinning their remaining hopes on Marco's outfit when they hired them on a six-month contract in September.  But, in the past few weeks, they have conceded that they might have been sold a pup. There's no doubt they've worked round the clock, but they don't have a lot of experience with this type of investigation."

In November 2007 Marco gave two lengthy interviews about the case, one to El Mundo and another to a Barcelona newspaper, La Vanguardia. Later whilst bristling with bravado before the television cameras, the portly boss of Metodo 3, sneeringly dismissed the Portuguese police investigation into the disappearance of the couple's daughter, Madeleine, as ''bumbling", and boasted: ''We know who the kidnappers are and we are very, very close to catching them."
 
Off camera, he admitted: "No, I can't disclose any more yet. But I will be proved right."

The Portuguese police initially tolerated the agency's investigations but later dismissed them as ''irrelevant small-fry" who ''lack credibility".
 
They were incensed by Método 3's allegation that Michaela Walczuch, the German girlfriend of Robert Murat, the only other suspect, was sighted handing over a blonde girl to a mystery man in Silves, Portugal, two days after Madeleine vanished from her holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, 25 miles away.
 
Another of their witnesses, they claimed, saw Ms Walczuch in Zaio in Morocco on 15 June 2007, shortly after the witness allegedly saw Madeleine there. Exasperated, the police disclosed that Ms Walczuch was at a Jehovah's Witnesses' meeting on that date and that she has threatened legal action against any publication suggesting she was involved in Madeleine's disappearance.
 
At the same time as police were pouring scorn on  Método 3 's investigations, Portugal's most senior law officer, the attorney general Fernando José Pinto Monteiro attacked the McCanns, insisting that their decision to encourage worldwide publicity for their missing child had probably served only to hasten Madeleine's murder.
 
''If she was kidnapped, it is likely her abductor has killed her," he said. ''All this publicity and with the whole world having seen Madeleine's photo means that there is a greater chance of the girl being dead than alive."

In December, Metodo were splashing the cash and moved to plush new offices as questions emerged about whether they were giving good value for money.  People who donated to the Find Madeleine Fund were seeing Metodo 3 pocket £50,000 a month without any apparent breakthrough.  The group had not yet produced any evidence to back up their claims that they knew who took the girl.

At a supposedly crucial stage in the inquiry, his luxurious new office - perched above a gay sauna in a grand, pillar-filled building - was in a make-shift state.  There was just one staff member in sight, and when asked if Sky News Online could see Mr Marco, she replied: "He's not here, he's out of the country on business. Not with the Madeleine case, on another case."
 
Her advice was to return in two hours, when the office would re-open.
 
But on calling back at 4pm there were three staff and a small dog in the reception area, as well as a steady flow of people unloading boxes of files and other office equipment.  They refused to say anything, and grew steely when Madeleine was mentioned.  A few minutes later, a smartly-dressed detective arrived and refused to discuss anything to do with the case.  He kept stressing: "I can't say anything. Only Clarence Mitchell (the McCanns' official spokesman) can talk about the case. I'm sorry."  It was late discovered that Marco was out of the country on another case.

Also in early December, a Portuguese lawyer from Madeira called Aragão Correia came forward with the dramatic news that he was sure that Madeleine’s body was lying in a reservoir.  He added various details which suggested that he ‘knew’ - as he had ‘been told’ - that Madeleine had been ‘stolen to order’ by a gang of ruthless paedophiles, who had then killed her and dumped her body at the bottom of the reservoir.  He provided the information to the police but claims that they were not interested.

In the end he decided to arrange for the reservoir to be searched and sought out a sponsor.  During the four days that the searches in the reservoir lasted, the divers only found a rope made out of blinds' strings and a piece of wood.  Marcos Aragão claimed that he spent approximately €5,000 out of his own pocket.  The search operation was sponsored by a Portimão-based company named SPEC.

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Lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia (second from right) speaks with divers at the Barragem do Arade reservoir
located some 35 miles east of Praia da Luz, where Madeleine McCann disappeared on 3 May 2007.

It was reported that the McCanns had mixed feelings about the operation since they were of the belief that their daughter was still alive. However, Metodo 3 sent an investigator to the site and took possession of the items recovered by the divers.

Correia was later exposed as a fantasist when a source close to the inquiry revealed: "When we asked him what he was basing his evidence on, he said, 'I had a dream'."

Correia sparked further heartache for Kate and Gerry, when his divers fished a bag of animal bones out of the waters - then claimed they could be child's fingers.

The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "We have never asked Mr Correia to conduct any searches and have good evidence to suggest his leads are not credible.

"The suggestion that the bones could have been a child's is entirely scaremongering and very hurtful to Gerry and Kate.

"Wild assumptions do not help the investigation. We will continue to work on the basis that Madeleine is alive."


Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Mr Moderator on December 15, 2013, 12:06:35 PM
By early January 2008, The private detective agency hired by Kate and Gerry McCann was facing the sack after failing to come up with any real new evidence of what happened to missing Madeleine.  To date they had followed up a number of new leads and sightings of Madeleine with investigators on the ground in Portugal, Spain and Morocco.  The McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "We were unhappy with some of the public comments made by Método 3 and since then Francisco has made no further comments." Metodo 3 had cost the dwindling Find Madeleine fund £50,000 a month since September, but had so far failed to find any concrete evidence about what happened to the girl.  Its director Francisco Marco also angered the McCanns with a series of public boasts that he knew where Madeleine was and would find her within five months.

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Método 3 boss Francisco Marco looking relaxed in his Barcelona office.

The agency's six-month contract was up for renewal in March and a source said: "We will carry on the search for Madeleine, but not necessarily with Metodo 3.

"We are stuck with them to the end of the contracted period. The question of whether it is renewed or not has still to be decided.

"They have faced not having their contract renewed every since Francisco shot his mouth off... It was made clear what they were doing was foolish and unhelpful."

 which was the not-for-profit company's biggest single expense.

He said the Find Madeleine board members and the McCanns' multi-millionaire backer, double glazing tycoon Brian Kennedy, would meet to discuss the contract in February.  "We are paying Método 3 £50,000 a month so of course it is a subject of debate. The decision is as much with Brian as it is with the fund, which pays for Método 3's involvement."

In February 2008, another Metodo 3 private detective, known as Antonio Jimenez or ‘Antonio J.R.’ (aged 53), working for the McCanns as their ‘detective in charge of special operations’, was charged with stealing 400 kilograms of cocaine - nearly half a ton - from an illegal shipment of 1,500 kg, said to have been worth £25 million, on a ship coming from Venezuela.  He had been Chief Inspector of the Drugs and Organised Crime Unit for the Barcelona police at the time those 400 kilos of cocaine went missing from the port of Barcelona.  But he had left the police to work for Metodo 3 in August 2005, just when an internal investigation was looking into how those 400 kilos had disappeared. He was remanded in custody by a Barcelona court on charges of breach of trust, corruption, corruption of public officials and illicit criminal association.

It had been the same Antonio Jimenez of Metodo 3 who had travelled to Morocco and, whilst he was there, was able - somehow - to find a number of witnesses who claimed to have seen Madeleine. It was around the time of Jimenez’s trip to Morocco that the Moroccan government took the unusual step of expelling a man who had been visiting hotels and garages in various parts of Morocco offering people money if they could claim to have seen a girl looking like Madeleine.  A coincidence, perhaps but Metodo's days were numbered.

In the end, the Metodo 3 contract was not renewed in March 2008, a new firm was about to arrive on the scene headed by Kevin Halligen.
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Mr Moderator on December 22, 2013, 01:58:43 AM
By July 2008, it was reported that Método 3 were the subject of a criminal process by the PJ in Faro, for suspected extortion and attempted murder. The case involved a former inmate who was paid by detective agency Método 3 to supply information that he allegedly had obtained in prison, from João Cipriano, the uncle of 8-year-old Joana, who disappeared from the Algarve in 2004.

João Cipriano allegedly told the former inmate that he owned recent photographs of Joana and that he also had information that was related to Madeleine McCann. After the money was received, the information was not given and the individual was tortured by detectives, filing a complaint with the PJ in Faro for attempted murder. The investigators from Método 3 were also suspected of persecuting Robert Murat for several months, trying to find elements to incriminate him. Tracking devices were detected on the Anglo-British citizen's vehicles.

In August the detective agency was considering sueing several of the media in the United Kingdom to defend its "reputation and good name" after the publication of information it believed defamatory, according to an official announcement.  Método 3 clarifies in its notice that it never received from the McCanns "the crazy figures" in fees that the press in this country published, and assures that the fees were €60,000 for six months worldwide search for Madeleine, plus expenses, giving a total of €108,306.
 
The Spanish agency also criticises the British press for stating that one of its founders "looked like a gangster", and indicates that this person suffers "a degenerative cerebral disease that, obviously, gives the appearance of absent-mindedness".
 
Método 3 assures that, contrary to what was published in the British press, nobody ever said that Maddie would be home by Christmas, but only expressed "the mere Christian desire" that "Hopefully she will be home by Christmas".

However, Clarence Mitchell has publicly stated that Madeleine's Fund were paying £50,000 per month to Método 3 - initially contracted on a 6-month contract, subsequently extended at a reduced rate.
 
By Mr Mitchell's figures, at least £300,000 has been spent on Método 3's services - yet Método 3 claim they have only received £84,627. And that figure includes expenses, which we have been led to believe were being covered by Brian Kennedy.
 
The substantial difference between the two sums have never been explained.


 

 
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Mr Moderator on December 22, 2013, 01:58:55 AM
In 2009, the Metodo was again under investigation in a case of embezzlement and money laundering and by the end of 2011, the firm was relieved of more than 30 boxes full of documents by Scotland Yard detectives.  Marco claimed that the boxes contained eight important leads but sources close to the British investigation denied they were of any real significance.

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A photographer was on hand to record Scotland Yard detectives taking away 30 boxes of information
from the offices of Metodo 3 in Barcelona.

However, Método 3 again appeared in the newspapers six years after its name became synonymous with the world-wide search for Madeleine McCann. In February 2013, El Mundo revealed that it was the agency that supposedly contracted the former secretary of the PSC to record conversations between Alicia Sánchez Camacho, secretary of the PP in Catalonia, and Victória Alvarez, the girlfriend of Jordi Pujol Ferrusola.

Agents of the National Police arrested the head of the detective agency Método 3, Francisco Marco, two of his former employees, Julián Peribáñez and Alejandro Borreguero, and the former chief operating officer of the firm, Elisenda Villena, sister the legal adviser to the PSC, Ana Villena. The arrests, which were ordered by the judge who took over the criminal case, came hours after a meeting of top level police was held in Madrid.

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Elisenda Villena, employee of Método 3, and Francisco Marco, head of the detective agency.


The detainees are accused of the crime of discovery and disclosure of secrets, in relation to the alleged spying case that occurred in July 2010 at the La Camarga restaurant. The president of the Catalan PP, Alicia Sánchez-Camacho and the former girlfriend of Jordi Pujol Ferrusola, María Victoria Álvarez, met for dinner in this popular Barcelona location. The conversation was recorded by a hidden microphone without their consent. Sánchez-Camacho, who presented a complaint to the police on Friday, positively identified his voice on the recording.

The investigators are convinced that Francisco Marco ordered the recording and that it was the detectives Peribáñez and Borreguero who technically carried out the act. In the illegally captured conversation, María Victoria Álvarez Martín told the Catalan PP leader that Pujol Ferrusola allegedly periodically transferred bags full of 200 and 500 euro notes to Andorra.
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Mr Moderator on December 22, 2013, 03:53:03 AM
Método 3 grew with high-profiled media cases; their enemies label it a "scam agency" and now it's going to be a consultancy agency.

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The detainees leave in a van from a Catalonian police station.


Each time a new chief of police arrived in Catalonia, one of the first invitations he would receive was that of Francisco Marco: a letter to invite him to have dinner at the restaurant "La Camarga", which has been the hub of operations [spy activities] of the detective agency Método 3, near to its headquarters. The current police chief, Eugenio Castro, politely declined the invitation, however his predecessor and some of the previous ones shared table and cloth with the influential Marco, with a degree in Law and an expert in self-promotion. One of his motto's is "that they speak about us, whether good or bad", says one of his former colleagues.

Marco took to practice that popularity and in recent years his agency was a reference in the media, particularly after the parents of the British girl Madeleine McCann who disappeared in Portugal hired them to search her. Their hypothesis was that a paedophile ring had kidnapped her and in pursuit of that idea, according to the same sources, they charged about 70,000 euros [close to that amount per month], with continuous trips to Portugal, Morocco and Great Britain.

"It was a scam. They said they had fifteen people working on the case but no, there were just three. They made up invoices for hotel expenses and allowances for four people in the neighbouring country [Portugal] and only one person travelled there, who in addition didn't speak a word of Portuguese."

Along with Madeleine's case - of which nothing was ever found - the fame reached Método 3 with the advent of the former secret service spy Francisco Paesa, who was "found" in Paris, after being presumed dead [he had published his own obituary]. Monitoring the vice-presidents of FC Barcelona and the involvement, which has yet to be clarified, of espionage of the current president of the Community of Madrid, Ignacio Gonzalez, are also included in the curriculum of this agency in which "thousands and thousands of euros have come in and no one knows where they are", says a detective who knows Método 3's track record.

Juan Carlos Ruiloba was the chief of the Technological Crime Prevention unit at the Judiciary Police of Barcelona. Shifting to a second activity, he began working for Marco where he claimed he was very well paid. A little over a year ago, when the agency started to be less the buoyant business that it had been, Ruiloba left Método 3. According to sources related to the investigation, part of the money that he was owed was recovered with electronic equipment. Last week this former police officer turned to his former colleagues at the Judiciary and handed over material, supposedly "sensitive". He had waited over a year to do so.

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He was not the only police officer connected to the Método 3 director. In fact, during many years it was a common practice to resort to certain professionals, such as the Forensic Science Police [Lab], in order to do specific tests, particularly when they did not have any other means at their disposal.

The agency no longer exists officially since last November, in fact its director has several pending labour disputes with former employees. However Marco, with a curriculum and voluminous list of customers, was already converting their business into a security consulting firm, outside the police control to which detective agencies are subject.

Método 3 has also been inspected - inspection in the offices of detectives are annual - however he has eluded comfortably both administrative and criminal penalties. In 1995 his father, his mother, he and a brother were arrested for illegally taping businessmen. In that case it was revealed that they had investigated the governor of the Bank of Spain, Mariano Rubio, and his wife Carmen Posadas. The investigation was filed.

In 2011, during a routine inspection, the Police detected serious irregularities, despite the proposed sanction, which arrived at Rubalcaba's Home Office (his brother has an excellent relationship with Marita Fernández) it was also unsuccessful. In May last year the agency number two, Elisenda Villena, was arrested during the "Pitiusa Operation"* - in which hundreds of detectives and intermediaries were charged. The agency log book - mandatory where clients and those who are investigated are recorded, as well as the dates of the jobs carried out - disappeared, because it was lost in a "flood", Método 3, again, was not penalized.

Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Mr Moderator on December 22, 2013, 05:19:28 AM
Until now, few details have emerged about the private investigation during those crucial early months, but an investigation by ES Magazine (London Evening Standard) shows that key mistakes were made, which in turn made later enquiries far more challenging.

ES has spoken to several sources close to the private investigations that took place in the first year and discovered that:

* The involvement of Brian Kennedy and his son Patrick in the operation was counter-productive, notably when they were questioned by the local police for acting suspiciously while attempting a 24-hour ‘stake out’.

* The relationship between Metodo 3 and the Portuguese police had completely broken down.

* Key witnesses were questioned far too aggressively, so much so that some of them later refused to talk to the police.

* Many of the investigators had little experience of the required painstaking forensic detective work.
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Angelo222 on December 22, 2013, 03:51:28 PM
I for one am looking forward to reading all about how public donations were squandered on these crooks.  I must say, for it to happen once was bad judgement, twice was bad luck but how the hell could they employ so many con men and never learn from their mistakes?  If I was a cynic I would be asking what was the real agenda??
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: icabodcrane on December 22, 2013, 03:52:02 PM
This thread is part of a new board looking at the six teams of private investigators employed by the McCanns in the search for Madeleine.  They will encompass the period from the moment Madeleine disappeared up until the present day.

The remaining threads are under construction and will be introduced over the next few days. They will include Red Defence International, Oakley International, Control Risks Group and others.

An excellent idea which should promote lively debate

Commendation  to Mr Moderator for such painstaking and thorough research
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Angelo222 on December 22, 2013, 03:58:51 PM
I forgot to add that the claim that people were being paid in Morocco to invent sightings of Madeleine are incredible.  How could they be so f...g callous??
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Carana on December 22, 2013, 04:10:40 PM
I for one am looking forward to reading all about how public donations were squandered on these crooks.  I must say, for it to happen once was bad judgement, twice was bad luck but how the hell could they employ so many con men and never learn from their mistakes?  If I was a cynic I would be asking what was the real agenda??

I'm not aware that all were. Halligen definitely was.

All kinds of PIs must have been putting themselves forward at the time. Some may have had experience of recuperating children of parental abductions, other known suspects, or even missing adolescents leaving a trace.

Tracing a young child, who was not quite 4 years-old, in a non-parental abduction scenario, with no known particular suspect to trace.... how do you go about that?


Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Carana on December 22, 2013, 04:18:20 PM
I forgot to add that the claim that people were being paid in Morocco to invent sightings of Madeleine are incredible.  How could they be so f...g callous??

What makes you assume that people were being paid to "invent" sightings? Some may have been, but by whom? Have you watched the documentary about the media frenzy? There was a lot of money floating about at the time. PIs may have also paid to get information, or to take them to people who could give them access to potential witnesses.

Others may not have requested, been offered, nor accepted payment at all.

Some may have been offered compensation (time off work, transport, accommodation, etc); yet others may have tried to cash in.
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: sadie on December 22, 2013, 10:40:34 PM
What makes you assume that people were being paid to "invent" sightings? Some may have been, but by whom? Have you watched the documentary about the media frenzy? There was a lot of money floating about at the time. PIs may have also paid to get information, or to take them to people who could give them access to potential witnesses.

Others may not have requested, been offered, nor accepted payment at all.

Some may have been offered compensation (time off work, transport, accommodation, etc); yet others may have tried to cash in.

Thgroughout this case, everywhere and all the time, there have been red herrings promoted, designed to take the investigators eye off what really happened ...  to prevent Madeleine being found and keep the abductors safely protected.. 

Also to waste the search money.  No money, then no-one could search.

OMO but loads of pointers.
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Angelo222 on December 29, 2013, 07:28:04 PM
Thgroughout this case, everywhere and all the time, there have been red herrings promoted, designed to take the investigators eye off what really happened ...  to prevent Madeleine being found and keep the abductors safely protected.. 

Also to waste the search money.  No money, then no-one could search.

OMO but loads of pointers.

It is obvious that the McCanns chose career and money over the search for Madeleine but then that would be the obvious choice if she were dead.
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 01:51:53 PM
But one thing puzzles me -who are the criminals employed by Metodo 3? - an extremely  serious allegation  A cite would be useful.
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2015, 01:53:55 PM
But one thing puzzles me -who are the criminals employed by Metodo 3? - an extremely  serious allegation  A cite would be useful.

Metodo3 employees have criminal convictions, as I am sure you are aware.
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 02:14:09 PM
Metodo3 employees have criminal convictions, as I am sure you are aware.

Sorry Stephen, you will have to help me on this.  Unless you mean  "Antonio Giménez Raso"?

Could you give a clue as to which Metodo 3 employees have criminal convictions?
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2015, 02:45:30 PM
Sorry Stephen, you will have to help me on this.  Unless you mean  "Antonio Giménez Raso"?

Could you give a clue as to which Metodo 3 employees have criminal convictions?

I am aware of him.

Another name from memory was Francisco Marco.

I also remember several other employees being arrested and the company closed down.
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 02:50:36 PM
I am aware of him.

Another name from memory was Francisco Marco.

I also remember several other employees being arrested and the company closed down.

Marco- yes, the head of Metodo 3

You claimed that they had criminal convictions. 

Perhaps you would care to back it up?


Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2015, 03:01:38 PM
You claimed that they had criminal convictions. 

Perhaps you would care to back it up?

Are you trying to catch me out perchance JP ?  &%+((£

e.g.

' * A biography of Antonio Gimenez Raso charting his decline and fall from...Head of the Anti-Drugs and Anti-Trafficking Unit of Catalonia Regional Police...to resigning from them at the end of 2004...to being appointed as a Metodo 3 private investigator in 2005...to being appointed as the leading Metodo 3 private detective investigating Madeleine's disappearance in 2007...to meetings with Brian Kennedy in Morocco...to meeting with strange Madeira lawyer Marcos Aragoa Correia at the Arade Dam on 10 December 2007...to his arrest on charges of corruption in public office and theft, together with a gang of drug-dealers, of £25 million of cocaine from a boat in Barcelona harbour in 2004...to his current 18-year jail sentence. '

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id406.html


and


http://whathappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/gary-hagland-mysterious-seventh-man-in_23.html

There are more.

Now JP, my turn.


Why were metodo3 closed down ?
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 28, 2015, 03:22:14 PM
Are you trying to catch me out perchance JP ?  &%+((£

e.g.

' * A biography of Antonio Gimenez Raso charting his decline and fall from...Head of the Anti-Drugs and Anti-Trafficking Unit of Catalonia Regional Police...to resigning from them at the end of 2004...to being appointed as a Metodo 3 private investigator in 2005...to being appointed as the leading Metodo 3 private detective investigating Madeleine's disappearance in 2007...to meetings with Brian Kennedy in Morocco...to meeting with strange Madeira lawyer Marcos Aragoa Correia at the Arade Dam on 10 December 2007...to his arrest on charges of corruption in public office and theft, together with a gang of drug-dealers, of £25 million of cocaine from a boat in Barcelona harbour in 2004...to his current 18-year jail sentence. '

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id406.html


and


http://whathappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/gary-hagland-mysterious-seventh-man-in_23.html

There are more.

Now JP, my turn.


Why were metodo3 closed down ?


Well that kind of does back it up!...I wonder why all the PI's employed by the fund were never sued by the McCANNS for being 'incompetent' bet they munched a few sardines! AND will they sue and slagg off SY for squandering millions and not even getting anywhere?

The Australian claim is interesting- did Kate go to Australia? on TV? Why would SY be clutching at straws asking Australians to check if it is Maddie? nothing else happening I suppose.
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 03:32:57 PM
Are you trying to catch me out perchance JP ?  &%+((£

e.g.

' * A biography of Antonio Gimenez Raso charting his decline and fall from...Head of the Anti-Drugs and Anti-Trafficking Unit of Catalonia Regional Police...to resigning from them at the end of 2004...to being appointed as a Metodo 3 private investigator in 2005...to being appointed as the leading Metodo 3 private detective investigating Madeleine's disappearance in 2007...to meetings with Brian Kennedy in Morocco...to meeting with strange Madeira lawyer Marcos Aragoa Correia at the Arade Dam on 10 December 2007...to his arrest on charges of corruption in public office and theft, together with a gang of drug-dealers, of £25 million of cocaine from a boat in Barcelona harbour in 2004...to his current 18-year jail sentence. '

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id406.html


and


http://whathappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/gary-hagland-mysterious-seventh-man-in_23.html

There are more.

Now JP, my turn.


Why were metodo3 closed down ?


Try not to gloat, Stephen - it is so terribly unbecoming. 

I did try to warn you, gently, to be careful of your "sauces". (Citing Morais and Pat Brown......?)

Raso was acquitted by the equivalent of the Supreme Court in Barcelona on the 23rd July 2012. 

http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/audiencia-barcelona-absuelve-guardias-civiles-policia-corrupcion-2127141

As this is in Spanish,I have translated the relevant bit for you "The Court has acquitted the civil guards Antonio Sáenz Martínez, alias El Tete (who was in pre-trial detention for 18 months); Robert de Prádena Castelló, Cristobal Lucas, Miguel Angel Higuera de la Fuente, Jesus Javier Martín Calvo, Fernando Gutiérrez Valero and Fernando Gutiérrez Alarcón. Also exonerated was Antonio Giménez Raso (his brother was already removed from the process)."

The Metodo 3 case (under which Marco and others were arrested) has been closed by the Barcelona Court (December 2013)

http://www.catalannewsagency.com/politics/item/metodo-3-political-espionage-case-affecting-the-catalan-pp-leader-is-closed

Now, to answer your question - Metodo 3 was closed down primarily because they got involved in the crossfire between the three major Catalan political parties and because of the arrest and detention of the principles.  Also pay disputes with former employees.   

Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2015, 03:41:32 PM
Are you trying to catch me out perchance JP ?  &%+((£

e.g.

' * A biography of Antonio Gimenez Raso charting his decline and fall from...Head of the Anti-Drugs and Anti-Trafficking Unit of Catalonia Regional Police...to resigning from them at the end of 2004...to being appointed as a Metodo 3 private investigator in 2005...to being appointed as the leading Metodo 3 private detective investigating Madeleine's disappearance in 2007...to meetings with Brian Kennedy in Morocco...to meeting with strange Madeira lawyer Marcos Aragoa Correia at the Arade Dam on 10 December 2007...to his arrest on charges of corruption in public office and theft, together with a gang of drug-dealers, of £25 million of cocaine from a boat in Barcelona harbour in 2004...to his current 18-year jail sentence. '

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id406.html


and


http://whathappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/gary-hagland-mysterious-seventh-man-in_23.html

There are more.

Now JP, my turn.


Why were metodo3 closed down ?

Try not to gloat, Stephen - it is so terribly unbecoming. 

I did try to warn you, gently, to be careful of your "sauces". (Citing Morais and Pat Brown......?)

Raso was acquitted by the equivalent of the Supreme Court in Barcelona on the 23rd July 2012. 

http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/audiencia-barcelona-absuelve-guardias-civiles-policia-corrupcion-2127141

As this is in Spanish,I have translated the relevant bit for you "The Court has acquitted the civil guards Antonio Sáenz Martínez, alias El Tete (who was in pre-trial detention for 18 months); Robert de Prádena Castelló, Cristobal Lucas, Miguel Angel Higuera de la Fuente, Jesus Javier Martín Calvo, Fernando Gutiérrez Valero and Fernando Gutiérrez Alarcón. Also exonerated was Antonio Giménez Raso (his brother was already removed from the process)."

The Metodo 3 case (under which Marco and others were arrested) has been closed by the Barcelona Court (December 2013)

http://www.catalannewsagency.com/politics/item/metodo-3-political-espionage-case-affecting-the-catalan-pp-leader-is-closed

Now, to answer your question - Metodo 3 was closed down primarily because they got involved in the crossfire between the three major Catalan political parties and because of the arrest and detention of the principles.  Also pay disputes with former employees.

I wasn't gloating JP.

Unfortunately I don't speak Spanish, but can you provide the link, as I know someone who can ?


On what grounds were they acquitted ?

Why was the metodo3 case closed ?

and their closure was nothing to do with their incompetence and lies ?

Would you have employed metodo3 ?

and merely because people are acquitted, doesn't mean they didn't  commit crimes.

I'm sure you agree on that.



Can you remind us Why these people were arrested in the first place ?
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2015, 03:47:54 PM
P.S.   JP.



Any comments on the second link I provided about the history of mccanns employing incompetent people, including crooks of course.

One after another............................

Hardly a one off, was it.

Here's a well known piece of advice.

'  Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. '
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Eleanor on July 28, 2015, 04:00:49 PM

Just because people are Acquitted doesn't mean they didn't commit crimes.

And just because they are found Guilty doesn't mean they are.

Where do we go from here?
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 04:11:45 PM
I wasn't gloating JP.  (will give benefit of doubt on that)

Unfortunately I don't speak Spanish, but can you provide the link, as I know someone who can ?

Link already provided Stephen, if you look, but here it is again

http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/audiencia-barcelona-absuelve-guardias-civiles-policia-corrupcion-2127141


On what grounds were they acquitted ?  Prosecution failed to make a case.

Why was the metodo3 case closed ?  Again, I provided a link (in English) which explains it in great detail  .   Good luck with the names!

http://www.catalannewsagency.com/politics/item/metodo-3-political-espionage-case-affecting-the-catalan-pp-leader-is-closed


and their closure was nothing to do with their incompetence and lies ? Who knows - by this time Metodo 3 had ceased detective work and were not involved in "research" which clearly covers a multitude of sins.

Would you have employed metodo3 ?  Personally, no because I cannot see any circumstances in which I would need their kind of services.  But if I did, then yes, maybe.

and merely because people are acquitted, doesn't mean they didn't  commit crimes.  Of course, (and from what I know about Raso he and his brethren were not exactly in the George Dixon mould). 

But it was you who made a claim that they were convicted criminals.   I am merely pointing out that you were mistaken.

Just seen your PS

P.S.   JP.



Any comments on the second link I provided about the history of mccanns employing incompetent people, including crooks of course.

One after another............................

Hardly a one off, was it.

Here's a well known piece of advice.

'  Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. '

Answer - First of all, Madeleine Foundation?  That's a source right up there with Pat Brown and Morais!

Which ones referred to in that article are "crooks"?  Halligen?  When was he employed by the Mccanns? When was he conviced? 

Sorry Stephen - I think the phrase "when in a hole, stop digging" applies to you here. 

In spades

 8(0(*



Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 04:54:02 PM
Just because people are Acquitted doesn't mean they didn't commit crimes.

And just because they are found Guilty doesn't mean they are.

Where do we go from here?

We go to appeal...
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Eleanor on July 28, 2015, 05:00:44 PM
We go to appeal...

Of laughter, hopefully.
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 05:04:05 PM
Of laughter, hopefully.

Of course.   *&*%£
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Carana on July 28, 2015, 05:23:05 PM
Are you trying to catch me out perchance JP ?  &%+((£

e.g.

' * A biography of Antonio Gimenez Raso charting his decline and fall from...Head of the Anti-Drugs and Anti-Trafficking Unit of Catalonia Regional Police...to resigning from them at the end of 2004...to being appointed as a Metodo 3 private investigator in 2005...to being appointed as the leading Metodo 3 private detective investigating Madeleine's disappearance in 2007...to meetings with Brian Kennedy in Morocco...to meeting with strange Madeira lawyer Marcos Aragoa Correia at the Arade Dam on 10 December 2007...to his arrest on charges of corruption in public office and theft, together with a gang of drug-dealers, of £25 million of cocaine from a boat in Barcelona harbour in 2004...to his current 18-year jail sentence. '

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id406.html




and


http://whathappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/gary-hagland-mysterious-seventh-man-in_23.html

There are more.

Now JP, my turn.


Why were metodo3 closed down ?

Bennett's research....

When did this 18-year sentence happen?

Gimenez spent time on remand, but was totally exonerated.


Absueltos siete guardias civiles y un policía de colaborar con una trama de narcos

Absueltos siete guardias civiles y un policía de colaborar con una trama de narcos
También exclupa* totalmente al policía nacional Antonio Giménez Raso (su hermano ya fue sacado del proceso).

http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/audiencia-barcelona-absuelve-guardias-civiles-policia-corrupcion-2127141T

*That's a typo in the original. It should obviously read "exculpa".
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 05:30:19 PM
Exactly, Carana.

Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Eleanor on July 28, 2015, 05:37:15 PM

To be fair, Bennett did forget to mention him being acquitted.
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 05:39:48 PM
To be fair, that is not correct, Eleanor.

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t5458-antonio-giminez-raso-the-mccanns-star-investigator-in-2007-free-at-last-after-nearly-4-years-in-prison



Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2015, 05:43:12 PM
Now JP, who was doing the gloating ???

It was clearly you. %£&)**#

I will get the link in Spanish translated by a reliable person this week.

As to the translated link, quite interesting and I presume you have read through that thoroughly  &%+((£

' Barcelona (ACN).- Barcelona’s High Court has decided to close the so-called ‘Método 3’ case since the leader of the People’s Party (PP) in Catalonia, Alícia Sánchez-Camacho, reached an extra-judiciary deal with the espionage agency to put an end to the legal proceedings and avoid going to trial. However, despite the deal, there still was an ongoing criminal investigation, due to the seriousness of such a case. Now, the Court has decided to accept the appeal to close the penal investigation as well, a request that was presented by Sánchez-Camacho, the Método 3 espionage agency, Maria Victòria Álvarez and all the people indicted. Método 3 had recorded in July 2010 a private conversation between the PP leader and Álvarez, the former girlfriend of the eldest son of Jordi Pujol, who is the historical leader of the Centre-Right Catalan Nationalist Coalition (CiU). Parts of the alleged recorded conversation involving the Pujol family were leaked, as well as additional information that did no favours to Sánchez-Camacho’s public image. Sexual comments and other PP leader’s private life details were published, as well as Sánchez-Camacho allegedly talking about having good connections with people in the Spanish Police and the public prosecutor’s office who could launch investigations.'

The scandal arose in early 2013 and, since then, there have been months of speculations about who had ordered the recording; the Catalan Socialist Party (PSC), CiU and even the PP and Sánchez-Camacho herself have been in the spotlight and their behaviour deemed suspicious. In fact, the Director of Método 3 stated that somebody close to Sánchez-Camacho had ordered the recording. The case caused a true upset in Catalan politics, since it has involved three of the main political parties (representing two thirds of the Parliament), it revealed dirty political espionage practices and those responsible are still unknown.

Sánchez-Camacho stated she would “go until the end” but later she asked for closing the case

Money talks

This political espionage affair, which is one of the shadiest episodes in Catalan politics in decades, will end without any public conclusions and without knowing who was behind the whole issue. This contradicts Sánchez-Camacho’s initial statement, when the story was first made public. At the time, she had stated that she would go “until the end” to shed light on the affair.  However, a few months later she sought an extra-judiciary agreement that was aimed at – and finally did – avoid going to trial, listen to the entire recorded conversation and learn who ordered it and to which purpose. The judge investigating the case and the public prosecutor do not share the Court’s decision to close the case and would like to pursue their penal investigation and ultimately hold a trial.

The Court has accepted the appeal presented by Sánchez-Camacho, Alvarez, Método 3 and all the people indicted to close the case

The Audiència de Barcelona (Barcelona’s Highest Provincial Court) has validated the extra-judiciary agreement between the PP leader in Catalonia and espionage agency Método 3. The Court has announced on Monday it was closing the case. Indeed, it considered that the espionage agency had already apologised and compensated Sánchez-Camacho by reaching the deal and paying her €80,000. The Court has decided to put an end to the ongoing penal investigation, without having reached any definitive conclusion, by accepting the appeal presented by all the people involved in the case.

So basically the accused bought off the other party

A penal investigation was ongoing despite the extra-judiciary deal

The investigation was still ongoing since the agreement had put an end to the civil responsibilities but not to penal ones. Given Sánchez-Camacho’s public notoriety and considering that an illicit recording is a felony and that further felonies might have been committed, the Public Prosecutor’s Office and an investigation judge had continued to analyse evidences and gather testimonies, building a penal case. In fact, last July, after the agreement between Sánchez-Camacho and Método 3, the PSC’s CFO Lluïsa Bruguera was indicted for this case and José Zaragoza, the party’s former Organisation Secretary was supposed to testify in front of the judge. Now the process is stopped. However, in the event of further evidences, the investigation could be re-opened but only partially, only regarding the areas directly affected by the new evidences.

Parts of a juicy and embarrassing conversation are leaked

The conversation between Sánchez-Camacho and Maria Victoria Alvarez took place in July 2010 in Barcelona’s La Camarga restaurant. The former girlfriend of Jordi Pujol’s eldest son allegedly revealed intimate details about the Pujol family and their private lives and businesses to the PP party leader. In addition, many other subjects came up in the conversation, were also leaked and published by several media. Provided the leaked parts are true, Sánchez-Camacho allegedly would have stated she had public prosecutors and Spanish Police officers whom she trusted and that investigations could be launched on demand. Furthermore, the two women would have shared intimate details of their own lives as well as information about the private life of some PP leaders. However, since there has not been a trial, the authenticity of the conversation has not been fully validated and neither the possible felonies disclosed will be fully investigated.

Was Sánchez-Camacho aware of the recording?

The Director of Método 3, Francisco Marco, publicly stated that someone close to Sánchez-Camacho had ordered the recording. Therefore, according to this statement, the PP leader could have been aware she was being recorded or could even have ordered the recording herself. Besides, the other major speculation regarding the recording’s authorship was that the PSC had requested it. For this reason the party’s CFO Lluïsa Bruguera was indicted, her computer confiscated and the Organisation Secretary, José Zaragoza, was to testify in front of the judge. The appeal presented by all the people involved and accepted by the Court puts an end to all these investigations and buries the affair without having reached any conclusion and with many speculations on the air.

Indeed many speculations.

i.e. Those involved got away with criminal acts and escaped them effectively because of a pay-off.

What a nice bunch of people. 8**8:/:

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Meanwhile in the real world, the mccanns as i said earlier, had employed one bunch of incompetents after another, wasting the money of those who had donated to the fund.

Quite remarkable for so called intelligent people who had access to Mitchell, the internet and research, and still couldn't find anyone who could organize a pi## up in a brewery, let alone conduct an investigation into a missing child. 8(0(*




Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Carana on July 28, 2015, 05:55:24 PM
The only detective agencies that I was able to find who apparently have had success in locating missing people involve adults or parental abductions - as they tend to leave traces (bank details, known relatives, likely destinations, the use of ID, etc.).
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Eleanor on July 28, 2015, 06:12:24 PM
To be fair, that is not correct, Eleanor.

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t5458-antonio-giminez-raso-the-mccanns-star-investigator-in-2007-free-at-last-after-nearly-4-years-in-prison

Only after someone pointed out the acquittal to him.
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 06:15:45 PM
Now JP, who was doing the gloating ???

It was clearly you. %£&)**#

I will get the link in Spanish translated by a reliable person this week.

As to the translated link, quite interesting and I presume you have read through that thoroughly  &%+((£

' Barcelona (ACN).- Barcelona’s High Court has decided to close the so-called ‘Método 3’ case since the leader of the People’s Party (PP) in Catalonia, Alícia Sánchez-Camacho, reached an extra-judiciary deal with the espionage agency to put an end to the legal proceedings and avoid going to trial. However, despite the deal, there still was an ongoing criminal investigation, due to the seriousness of such a case. Now, the Court has decided to accept the appeal to close the penal investigation as well, a request that was presented by Sánchez-Camacho, the Método 3 espionage agency, Maria Victòria Álvarez and all the people indicted. Método 3 had recorded in July 2010 a private conversation between the PP leader and Álvarez, the former girlfriend of the eldest son of Jordi Pujol, who is the historical leader of the Centre-Right Catalan Nationalist Coalition (CiU). Parts of the alleged recorded conversation involving the Pujol family were leaked, as well as additional information that did no favours to Sánchez-Camacho’s public image. Sexual comments and other PP leader’s private life details were published, as well as Sánchez-Camacho allegedly talking about having good connections with people in the Spanish Police and the public prosecutor’s office who could launch investigations.'

The scandal arose in early 2013 and, since then, there have been months of speculations about who had ordered the recording; the Catalan Socialist Party (PSC), CiU and even the PP and Sánchez-Camacho herself have been in the spotlight and their behaviour deemed suspicious. In fact, the Director of Método 3 stated that somebody close to Sánchez-Camacho had ordered the recording. The case caused a true upset in Catalan politics, since it has involved three of the main political parties (representing two thirds of the Parliament), it revealed dirty political espionage practices and those responsible are still unknown.

Sánchez-Camacho stated she would “go until the end” but later she asked for closing the case

Money talks

This political espionage affair, which is one of the shadiest episodes in Catalan politics in decades, will end without any public conclusions and without knowing who was behind the whole issue. This contradicts Sánchez-Camacho’s initial statement, when the story was first made public. At the time, she had stated that she would go “until the end” to shed light on the affair.  However, a few months later she sought an extra-judiciary agreement that was aimed at – and finally did – avoid going to trial, listen to the entire recorded conversation and learn who ordered it and to which purpose. The judge investigating the case and the public prosecutor do not share the Court’s decision to close the case and would like to pursue their penal investigation and ultimately hold a trial.

The Court has accepted the appeal presented by Sánchez-Camacho, Alvarez, Método 3 and all the people indicted to close the case

The Audiència de Barcelona (Barcelona’s Highest Provincial Court) has validated the extra-judiciary agreement between the PP leader in Catalonia and espionage agency Método 3. The Court has announced on Monday it was closing the case. Indeed, it considered that the espionage agency had already apologised and compensated Sánchez-Camacho by reaching the deal and paying her €80,000. The Court has decided to put an end to the ongoing penal investigation, without having reached any definitive conclusion, by accepting the appeal presented by all the people involved in the case.

So basically the accused bought off the other party

A penal investigation was ongoing despite the extra-judiciary deal

The investigation was still ongoing since the agreement had put an end to the civil responsibilities but not to penal ones. Given Sánchez-Camacho’s public notoriety and considering that an illicit recording is a felony and that further felonies might have been committed, the Public Prosecutor’s Office and an investigation judge had continued to analyse evidences and gather testimonies, building a penal case. In fact, last July, after the agreement between Sánchez-Camacho and Método 3, the PSC’s CFO Lluïsa Bruguera was indicted for this case and José Zaragoza, the party’s former Organisation Secretary was supposed to testify in front of the judge. Now the process is stopped. However, in the event of further evidences, the investigation could be re-opened but only partially, only regarding the areas directly affected by the new evidences.

Parts of a juicy and embarrassing conversation are leaked

The conversation between Sánchez-Camacho and Maria Victoria Alvarez took place in July 2010 in Barcelona’s La Camarga restaurant. The former girlfriend of Jordi Pujol’s eldest son allegedly revealed intimate details about the Pujol family and their private lives and businesses to the PP party leader. In addition, many other subjects came up in the conversation, were also leaked and published by several media. Provided the leaked parts are true, Sánchez-Camacho allegedly would have stated she had public prosecutors and Spanish Police officers whom she trusted and that investigations could be launched on demand. Furthermore, the two women would have shared intimate details of their own lives as well as information about the private life of some PP leaders. However, since there has not been a trial, the authenticity of the conversation has not been fully validated and neither the possible felonies disclosed will be fully investigated.

Was Sánchez-Camacho aware of the recording?

The Director of Método 3, Francisco Marco, publicly stated that someone close to Sánchez-Camacho had ordered the recording. Therefore, according to this statement, the PP leader could have been aware she was being recorded or could even have ordered the recording herself. Besides, the other major speculation regarding the recording’s authorship was that the PSC had requested it. For this reason the party’s CFO Lluïsa Bruguera was indicted, her computer confiscated and the Organisation Secretary, José Zaragoza, was to testify in front of the judge. The appeal presented by all the people involved and accepted by the Court puts an end to all these investigations and buries the affair without having reached any conclusion and with many speculations on the air.

Indeed many speculations.

i.e. Those involved got away with criminal acts and escaped them effectively because of a pay-off.

What a nice bunch of people. 8**8:/:

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Meanwhile in the real world, the mccanns as i said earlier, had employed one bunch of incompetents after another, wasting the money of those who had donated to the fund.

Quite remarkable for so called intelligent people who had access to Mitchell, the internet and research, and still couldn't find anyone who could organize a pi## up in a brewery, let alone conduct an investigation into a missing child. 8(0(*

I fear my Spanish is a little rusty these days, so having the article about his acquittal translated is an excellent idea.   

With regard to the Metodo 3 article - Oh dear, Stephen.  I think you need to actually read that properly.  Who do you think the ongoing  criminal investigation was against?  Basically, a bunch of politicians wriggling out of it, with Metodo 3 caught in the crossfire.

Stephen - you made claims that the McCanns and Metodo 3 employed criminals.  You have been unable to back up those claims. (as usual).

There are two possible responses.

(a)I was mistaken - fair enough.

(b) wriggle like a fish on a hook, trying desperately to "prove£ that you were actually right all along -just that the evidence and cites are wrong, thereby proving that you are an idiot.

You seem to have chosen (b)  ?{)(**



Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2015, 06:36:57 PM
That is a matter if perception.

You haven't answered questions.

Many of which have been gone through before on this forum, including the activities of metodo 3 in Portugal.  Have you forgotten that. Which of course they weren't allowed to do under Portuguese Law.

Metodo3 We're clearly accomplices in what took place, no matter what other light you may wish to throw on it.

As to the mccanns, they employed a series of incompetent agencies and detectives.  Why don't you answer that ?
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 06:49:04 PM
That is a matter if perception.

You haven't answered questions.

Many of which have been gone through before on this forum, including the activities of metodo 3 in Portugal.  Have you forgotten that. Which of course they weren't allowed to do under Portuguese Law.

Metodo3 We're clearly accomplices in what took place, no matter what other light you may wish to throw on it.

As to the mccanns, they employed a series of incompetent agencies and detectives.  Why don't you answer that ?

OK Stephen - firstly lets have a look at Metodo 3 in Portugal. 

You state they were not allowed to under Portuguese law?

Does this mean that (a) the PJ were not aware of Metodo 3s activities?

Or (b) that they were aware and cooperated

or (c) that they were aware and took action against Metodo 3?


And yes, it turns out they, and Kennedy, did employ a series of agencies and detesctives who turned out to be incompetent or crooked.  How clever of you to point this out, and how nice for you to have the opportunity to gloat, with the benefit of 20 20 hindsight.   Well done, I'll give you that one.   8(0(*

My view - very unfortunate - but at least they tried.     

Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2015, 06:52:16 PM
I fear my Spanish is a little rusty these days, so having the article about his acquittal translated is an excellent idea.   

With regard to the Metodo 3 article - Oh dear, Stephen.  I think you need to actually read that properly.  Who do you think the ongoing  criminal investigation was against?  Basically, a bunch of politicians wriggling out of it, with Metodo 3 caught in the crossfire.

Stephen - you made claims that the McCanns and Metodo 3 employed criminals.  You have been unable to back up those claims. (as usual).

There are two possible responses.

(a)I was mistaken - fair enough.

(b) wriggle like a fish on a hook, trying desperately to "prove£ that you were actually right all along -just that the evidence and cites are wrong, thereby proving that you are an idiot.

You seem to have chosen (b)  ?{)(**

Halligen was and remains a criminal.

Have you forgotten ?

and the mccanns employed him of course.  8(0(*

And what he did with money donated to the fund, and given to him by the mccanns was beyond deplorable.
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 07:05:49 PM
Halligen was and remains a criminal.

Have you forgotten ?

and the mccanns employed him of course.  8(0(*

And what he did with money donated to the fund, and given to him by the mccanns was beyond deplorable.

When did the McCann employ Halligen and his company Oakley International?

And when was he convicted of fraud?
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2015, 07:11:34 PM
When did the McCann employ Halligen and his company Oakley International?

And when was he convicted of fraud?

Irrelevant.

He was committing fraudulent/criminal acts with the donated money when working for the mccanns.

Did they even check what he was up to during this time ?

Did they check out his background ?

Or were the mccanns not really bothered, since they thought he was doing his job, and part of the 'search' for Madeleine ?

Would they have cared more if it was their own money they were using, rather than other peoples ?

Meanwhile, one bunch of incompetents was replaced by others.

Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 07:38:08 PM
Oakley International employed on a six month contract in August 2008.

Halligan Sought for fraud November 2009.

"He is on the run in Britain after last being spotted with a girlfriend at the Royal Crescent hotel in Bath.

 His pursuers include the ex-head of undercover operations for the police, a City lawyer, a Washington lobbyist, his fake wife, and the former head of the SAS, who blames himself for helping to launch Halligen into the world of intelligence and security.

 The United States justice department, on behalf of the FBI, has issued an indictment seeking his arrest for an alleged £1.2m fraud."

_________

Right - so the McCanns should have reasoned "this man will be arrested for fraud in 13 months time - better be careful.....

Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2015, 07:40:24 PM
Oakley International employed on a six month contract in August 2008.

Halligan Sought for fraud November 2009.

"He is on the run in Britain after last being spotted with a girlfriend at the Royal Crescent hotel in Bath.

 His pursuers include the ex-head of undercover operations for the police, a City lawyer, a Washington lobbyist, his fake wife, and the former head of the SAS, who blames himself for helping to launch Halligen into the world of intelligence and security.

 The United States justice department, on behalf of the FBI, has issued an indictment seeking his arrest for an alleged £1.2m fraud."

_________

Right - so the McCanns should have reasoned "this man will be arrested for fraud in 13 months time - better be careful.....

and they never thought to check him out and his record ?

You do comprehend it was donated peoples money which went to paying Halligen's lifestyle, not the mccanns ?
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Eleanor on July 28, 2015, 07:42:54 PM

I thought it was Brian Kennedy who paid Halligan,
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 07:46:33 PM
I thought it was Brian Kennedy who paid Halligan,

Correct of course Eleanor - but don't spoil it for Stephen
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Been checking - looks as though Kennedy settled Metodo 3, and the FM fund settled Oakley.   So I was wrong. Apologies Stephen.

 
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2015, 07:51:06 PM
I thought it was Brian Kennedy who paid Halligan,

There is proof of that, I presume.

Was it Kennedy's money ?

Then we have metodo3 and all their promises.

Who paid them ?

How much was he paid by the way ?

'Mr Mitchell explained: "A sum of £500,000 has been committed to them from the Find Madeleine Fund.'
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 08:17:46 PM
There is proof of that, I presume.

Was it Kennedy's money ?

Then we have metodo3 and all their promises.

Who paid them ?

How much was he paid by the way ?

'Mr Mitchell explained: "A sum of £500,000 has been committed to them from the Find Madeleine Fund.'

See post above.

It looks as though around £350,000 - £400,000  was paid to Oakley.
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 28, 2015, 08:25:06 PM
There is proof of that, I presume.

Was it Kennedy's money ?

Then we have metodo3 and all their promises.

Who paid them ?

How much was he paid by the way ?

'Mr Mitchell explained: "A sum of £500,000 has been committed to them from the Find Madeleine Fund.'

It may be included in the £975k "Campaign & Merchandising Costs" shown in the 2009 financial statements but we have no way of knowing as it isn't broken down!  8(0(*
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2015, 08:25:17 PM
See post above.

It looks as though around £350,000 - £400,000  was paid to Oakley.

From the fund, controlled by the mccanns as well.
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2015, 08:27:05 PM
It may be included in the £975k "Campaign & Merchandising Costs" shown in the 2009 financial statements but we have no way of knowing as it isn't broken down!  8(0(*

Quite possibly.

Transparency didn't rule there.  ?>)()<
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 08:28:17 PM
From the fund, controlled by the mccanns as well.

and your point is?

Was Halligen a convicted criminal when employed by the McCanns?   

Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2015, 08:33:57 PM
and your point is?

Was Halligen a convicted criminal when employed by the McCanns?


He was illegally using other peoples money for his own ends.

Didn't you watch the documentary on him and why the Americans were after him ?

Or are these minor considerations to you.

Especially as it was other peoples money.
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 08:43:00 PM


He was illegally using other peoples money for his own ends.

Didn't you watch the documentary on him and why the Americans were after him ?

Or are these minor considerations to you.

Especially as it was other peoples money.

Not a bit of it.  Yes he was - but when did it come to light that that was what he was doing?

He seems to be have been a rather clever con man - and fooled a lot of people.

Why do you think the McCanns should have been able to spot this back in 2008?

 It would be interesting to see your reasoning, given you have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight?
 
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 08:44:32 PM
OK Stephen - firstly lets have a look at Metodo 3 in Portugal. 

You state they were not allowed to under Portuguese law?

Does this mean that (a) the PJ were not aware of Metodo 3s activities?

Or (b) that they were aware and cooperated

or (c) that they were aware and took action against Metodo 3?


And yes, it turns out they, and Kennedy, did employ a series of agencies and detesctives who turned out to be incompetent or crooked.  How clever of you to point this out, and how nice for you to have the opportunity to gloat, with the benefit of 20 20 hindsight.   Well done, I'll give you that one.   8(0(*

My view - very unfortunate - but at least they tried.   

By the way,you have not answered the questions about Metodo 3 and the PJ.
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Davel on July 28, 2015, 08:53:22 PM

He was illegally using other peoples money for his own ends.

Didn't you watch the documentary on him and why the Americans were after him ?

Or are these minor considerations to you.

Especially as it was other peoples money.

The McCanns were victims of  a criminal act...but once gain you want to blame the victims instead of the criminal....how much blame do you attach too Halligen
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 09:01:31 PM
The McCanns were victims of  a criminal act...but once gain you want to blame the victims instead of the criminal....how much blame do you attach too Halligen

Good question, Davel.  Don't hold your breath for an answer.  8(0(*   
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2015, 09:03:48 PM
Not a bit of it.  Yes he was - but when did it come to light that that was what he was doing?

He seems to be have been a rather clever con man - and fooled a lot of people.

Why do you think the McCanns should have been able to spot this back in 2008?

 It would be interesting to see your reasoning, given you have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight?
 

With all the 'advice'  the mccanns were getting, why didn't they check out his record.

As to 'hinfsight', that appears to be rolled out when required to defend the mccanns incompetence.
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 09:08:23 PM
With all the 'advice'  the mccanns were getting, why didn't they check out his record.

As to 'hinfsight', that appears to be rolled out when required to defend the mccanns incompetence.

What record was that, Stephen?

Lets make it really easy for you  - can you provide some cites /documentary evidence from around August 2008 which would have shown the McCanns that Halligan was untrustworthy?   



Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2015, 09:08:31 PM
The McCanns were victims of  a criminal act...but once gain you want to blame the victims instead of the criminal....how much blame do you attach too Halligen

Whose money was it that paid for the crook ?

Was it the mccanns, or the money donated to them by other people ?

Which of course should never have been necessary in the first place.


Oh that's hindsight for you. 8)-)))
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2015, 09:09:41 PM
What record was that, Stephen?

Lets make it really easy for you  - can you provide some cites /documentary evidence from around August 2008 which would have shown the McCanns that Halligan was untrustworthy?

Record of success in this type of case. 8)--))

Did they check out Halligen ?

Or didn't they care ?
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 09:17:24 PM
Whose money was it that paid for the crook ?

Was it the mccanns, or the money donated to them by other people ?

Which of course should never have been necessary in the first place.


Oh that's hindsight for you. 8)-)))

That is simple - It was money belonging to the Find Madeleine fund.  That is the precise legal position. 
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 09:19:39 PM
Record of success in this type of case. 8)--))

Did they check out Halligen ?

Or didn't they care ?

Unique case, so hard to compare. And Halligan by all accounts, told a good story.  Now - any chance of a cite of information that should have aroused suspicion.

and also the Metodo 3 questions?
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2015, 09:21:27 PM
Unique case, so hard to compare. And Halligan by all accounts, told a good story.  Now - any chance of a cite of information that should have aroused suspicion.

and also the Metodo 3 questions?

Metodo3 were completely incompetent.

I know that, and so do you, yet you defend them.

Why ?

Remember the bullshitte claims made by them ?

Or have they slipped your memory ?
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 28, 2015, 09:24:09 PM
At the level of expenditure involved it would have been normal practice to "do a Dun & Bradstreet" on them.
I wonder if it was done?
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Davel on July 28, 2015, 09:28:04 PM
At the level of expenditure involved it would have been normal practice to "do a Dun & Bradstreet" on them.
I wonder if it was done?
Did Trafigura do one.........
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Davel on July 28, 2015, 09:33:20 PM
Virtually all of it, it turns out, was fabricated or exaggerated, according to associates who have since investigated his background. But with amazing ease and a perfect British accent, the diminutive Halligen schmoozed his way into Washington’s intelligence elite — Pentagon officials, influential lawyers and lobbyists, former CIA operatives.


And he took their money.

looks like Halligen fooled a lot of people...but Stephen won't have a word said about him
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 09:42:20 PM
Metodo3 were completely incompetent.

I know that, and so do you, yet you defend them.

Why ?

Remember the bullshitte claims made by them ?

Or have they slipped your memory ?

Don't be stupid Stephen -when did I defend them?

It was you who made the claim that they employed criminals. I merely pointed out that you were wrong.  You really do seem to be losing the plot.     
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2015, 09:56:34 PM
Don't be stupid Stephen -when did I defend them?

It was you who made the claim that they employed criminals. I merely pointed out that you were wrong.  You really do seem to be losing the plot.     

Hardly.

They were grossly incompetent, as with all those employed to 'search' for Madeleine.
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 28, 2015, 10:01:03 PM
Hardly.

They were grossly incompetent, as with all those employed to 'search' for Madeleine.

Sadly, yes, and by all accounts this extended to the PJ.

But show me where I "defended" metodo 3. 
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: stephen25000 on July 29, 2015, 10:42:03 AM
Now just for you JP.

You said yesterday metodo3 were caught in the middle of the scandal.

Not quite right was it.

They were up to the eyeballs in the scandal, and like the others got away with criminal action it seems.

I presume you were aware of the whistleblower from Metodo3 ?

http://www.ibtimes.com/illegal-espionage-revealed-yet-another-spanish-political-scandal-1095158

http://wolfstreet.com/2013/02/16/now-a-vast-political-espionage-scandal-to-top-off-the-sordid-corruption-scandal-in-spain/

What ever metodo3 were they weren't innocent parties to what occurred.
Title: Re: No 2 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Spanish Investigators Método 3
Post by: G-Unit on February 14, 2016, 08:33:35 AM
"SMOKESCREEN" - BOOK BY FORMER MADDIE PRIVATE EYES - SPARKS SOCIAL MEDIA FURORE

 
Posted by PORTUGALPRESS on February 13, 2016
"Smokescreen" - book by former Maddie private eyes - sparks social media furore

For reasons not immediately clear, social media has started buzzing again over the allegedly corrupt practices of one of the private detective agencies hired by the parents of Madeleine McCann, shortly after the little girl vanished from a tourist complex in Praia da Luz, Portugal.

Much has already been written - both in the UK and abroad - of the money billed to the Madeleine Fund by Barcelona agency Metodo 3.

Quoting Spanish newspaper ABC, Diário de Notícias confirmed two years ago that Metodo 3 detectives “affirmed that they had clues pointing to a pedophile ring which had kidnapped the child, and for the journeys made to Portugal, Morocco and the United Kingdom, the agency charged 70,000 euros, without presenting any results - because in reality there never was any investigation”.

A source from ABC told the paper that Metodo 3 “guaranteed and charged for five investigators” on the case, “when in reality there weren’t even three”.

For the journeys to Portugal, “the agency charged as if four people were travelling”, when only one had, and this person “did not even speak Portuguese”.

As DN affirmed in 2013, Metodo 3’s practices eventually came under police scrutiny - not over the agency’s handling of the Madeleine case, but over allegedly illegal wire taps on political parties “and other irregularities”.

What seems to have stirred up new controversy is the online publishing of a previously banned book in Spanish by former Metodo 3 private eyes Julián Peribañez and Antonio Tamarjit.

Entitled, La Cortina de Humo (the Smokescreen), its section on the Madeleine investigation has been translated into English.

The bottom line is that one of the writer’s claims he tried to alert the Madeleine Fund to the kind of fraud that he claims had been perpetrated against it, so they could all work out a “strategy whereby they - the parents of the little girl, in whose innocence we have always believed - would not suffer any harm from this intrigue”.

Bizarrely, Julián Peribañez’ concerns met with what he described as a “wall of silence”.

It is this wall that seems to have set tongues wagging across social media - where blogsite and fora fixation on what has become the millennium’s greatest mystery shows no sign of abating, despite the fact that it is nearly nine years since Madeleine disappeared without any verifiable trace.

Why would there have been no interest in discovering the extent of fraud of a fund which both writers contend was “supported by hundreds of unsuspecting people whose sole objective was to find Madeleine”?

The controversial Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann forum is also asking why Metodo 3 was hired in the first place, adding: “If you are reading this as a guest and are not yet a member of CMOMM, why not join us, get yourself briefed on one of the most mysterious cases of the century and maybe even help us in our quest to find out what really did happen to Madeleine McCann.”

Since the CMOMM published its “exclusive” on what it calls the “corruption and criminality inside Metodo 3”, twitter posts have been picking it up and once again this apparently eternal mystery enters new ground.

For anyone who can read Spanish, La Cortina de Humo can be found on Amazon and via Spanish website casadellibro.com.

For those who can’t, the translation of Chapter 13, concentrating on Metodo 3’s investigation of Madeleine’s disappearance can be found on CMOMM.

natasha.donn@algarveresident.com

- See more at: http://portugalresident.com/smokescreen-book-by-former-maddie-private-eyes-sparks-social-media-furore?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#sthash.RbrBs5gp.dpuf