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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Luke Mitchell and the murder of his teenage girfriend Jodi Jones. Case currently being reviewed by the SCCRC. Confidential Hotline No 07092 984231. => Topic started by: John on August 15, 2012, 07:58:30 PM

Title: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: John on August 15, 2012, 07:58:30 PM
Not content with blaming just about every male member of the extended Jones family and their associates for the murder of Jodi Jones, self styled sleuth Sandra Lean has now turned her attention to the notorious so-called Da Vinci rapist.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2012/02/12/luke-mitchell-to-blame-da-vinci-rapist-for-murder-of-jodi-jones-reports-say-86908-23746187/


Miss Leans recent record where she and her co director at the Wrongly Accused Person organisation religiously supported strangler Adrian Prout and orchestrated a campaign on his behalf does not sit well with many people. Is it a case of here we go again?

Greens was 25 when Jodi was murdered, not exactly the fresh faced teenager who was observed near the scene by passing motorists shortly after the murder.  Two youths on a motorcycle and another on a bicycle  passed by the murder scene yet saw nobody leading investigators to believe that only Mitchell was involved.

Does this really look like a youth with shoulder length hair?

(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01257/SNA2320CC-2803_1257346a.jpg)  (http://thesun.mobi/;m=is;f=jpg;h=323;k=h2-frutftFGOrwgDs1ankA;q=100;w=232/it%3atagaro/o42e5O23Srciuqb_-N2a8w.jpg) (http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/dailyrecord3/jan2012/4/8/robert-greens-da-vinci-rapist-image-1-990895130.jpg)

The so-called Da Vinci rapist, Robert Greens.




Compare these to pictures of Luke Mitchell taken shortly after the murder of Jodi Jones.

(http://i.imgur.com/t0t9Z.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/Pz4DT.jpg)

Police Polaroid of Luke Mitchell taken several weeks after the murder.
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: John on August 15, 2012, 08:00:18 PM
Killer Luke Mitchell is to make a fresh bid for freedom by blaming the killing of schoolgirl Jodi Jones on a convicted rapist, it has been reported.

His defence team are putting together a dossier suggesting Da Vinci Code rapist Robert Greens could instead be behind the killing, the Mail on Sunday said.

Author Sandra McClean who has written about the Mitchell case told the newspaper she is helping Mitchell's defence team put together a dossier to present to the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission. The body considers possible miscarriages of justice.

Robert Greens was jailed for 10 years in 2006 for a brutal sex attack on a Dutch student. The attack took place near Rosslyn Chapel, the setting for Dan Brown's novel and the movie starring Tom Hanks.

Ms McClean told the Scottish Mail on Sunday Greens' "modus operandi" was similar to the person who killed Jodi Jones - and at the time of her death, Greens visited a relative close to where Jodi's body was found in Midlothian.

She said: "When I realised Greens had apparently been regularly in the vicinity at the time it sent a shiver through me. It's hard to believe no one has joined the dots since he became so notorious.

"The modus operandi of Greens strikes me as similar. We have to ask if Greens crossed the police radar at the time Jodi was killed".

Mitchell, who was 14 at the time of the murder, has always protested his innocence but his original appeal against conviction was rejected by senior judges in Scotland in 2008. In November last year, Mitchell saw a bid for a fresh appeal before the Supreme Court rejected.

Jodi was murdered on June 30 2003. She had been stripped, tied up and stabbed to death and her mutilated body dumped in woods near her home.

Mitchell was locked up for life in 2005. He was convicted of the killing following what was at the time the longest single-accused murder trial in Scottish legal history.
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: John on August 15, 2012, 08:01:53 PM
Are these the headlines that got Sandra Lean thinking?

Victory for residents as Da Vinci rapist rehoused.

8 Feb 2012.

DA Vinci rapist Robert Greens has been rehoused after demonstrators demanded his ­eviction.

Councillor Margot Russell yesterday said Greens had been moved following a risk assessment by the multi-agency public ­protection panel, who manage convicted sex offenders.

On Friday, we revealed more than 100 people marched on Midlothian Council’s head office.

Many held placards saying, “Get rapist out” – in protest that the 33-year-old was housed in a residential block in Dalkeith, surrounded by families.

Dalkeith councillor Russell said the panel took the ­decision to remove him after residents voiced concerns.

The location where Greens has been rehoused remains unknown.

Greens was released from Saughton prison, Edinburgh, last month after serving five years of a 10-year sentence for a sex attack on a 19-year-old Dutch student near Rosslyn Chapel in 2005.

Residents – who ­discovered Greens’s new home after it was reported in the press – demanded the local authority remove him. 

Russell said: “My ­understanding is he has not been in the property since Saturday.

“There was a risk ­assessment meeting on Friday and the decision was taken later on.

“I’ve been approached by many elderly people and constituents with young families. He was always going to have security 24 hours a day but there were still concerns.

“One of the issues many elderly people raised was the type of attention his being there might attract and the possibility of ­vigilante attacks.

“Speaking in a personal capacity, I don’t think he should have been released – he should have served his sentence.”

Russell stressed Greens would be subject to the same level of security at his new premises.

She said: “He was housed in Jarnac Court, presumably because it has a lot of CCTV cameras and it’s near the police station.

“But Dalkeith was not the right place for him, ­especially not the town centre.”



http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2012/02/08/victory-for-residents-as-da-vinci-rapist-rehoused-86908-23740065/
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Harvey on August 15, 2012, 08:02:50 PM
It seems that Dalkeith has had more than its share of cold blooded rapists and murderers if these two are anything to go by.  Not the sort of area you would want to go out for a stroll in a country park in the evening by the sounds of it and especially if you are female and on your own.


I have read many of the comments being posted on that Wrongly Accused forum by Sandra Lean and Billy Middleton accusing members of Jodis family of her murder. Rather pathetic when all said and done.
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: devils advocate on August 15, 2012, 08:14:47 PM
Yes, Donald Findlay had his fingers in just about every high profile pie.  That was how he managed to attract a greater share of the legal aid fund.

On the issue of Sandra Lean and her sickening habit of blaming every poor soul that crosses her path for the murder of Jodi Jones all I can say is pathetic.  How many wrongly accused people is there now in the Mitchell case?  The last time I counted it was about twenty individuals, that makes twenty apologies in the offing when Mitchell's conviction is eventually confirmed for good.   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: insider on August 15, 2012, 08:29:38 PM
By jove, it has just come to  me, I always knew there was a reason why Billy Middleton and Sandra Lean or should that be Sandra McClean named their forum WAP.   You see, it has all been revealed following Sandra Leans most recent rant to the Sunday Mirror.  WAP stands for Wrongly Accused People!!

The Middleton and Lean double-act referred to by some as veritable Saint's Jude and Rita, the patron Saints of lost causes, have been accusing just about every male member of the Jones extended family. You only have to read a few pages of their sad forum to realise that the finger has been pointed at Joey Jones, the Dickie's, John Ferris, the Bryson's, Mark Kane, Steven Kelly, Jodi's late uncle, James Falconer, uncle Tom Cobley and God knows how many others.  Now she points the finger at the Da Vinci rapist, Robert Greens.

One must not forget that the two of them wrongly accused Kate Prout of disappearing when all the time the poor lass was lying murdered in an unmarked grave.

My advice to you Miss Lean would be to have a very good long look at yourself in the mirror and stop blaming innocent people!
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Harvey on August 15, 2012, 08:31:04 PM
By jove, it has just come to  me, I always knew there was a reason why Billy Middleton and Sandra Lean or should that be Sandra McClean named their forum WAP.   You see, it has all been revealed following Sandra Leans most recent rant to the Sunday Mirror.  WAP stands for Wrongly Accused People!!

The Middleton and Lean double-act referred to by some as veritable Saint's Jude and Rita, the patron Saints of lost causes, have been accusing just about every male member of the Jones extended family. You only have to read a few pages of their sad forum to realise that the finger has been pointed at Joey Jones, the Dickie's, John Ferris, the Bryson's, Mark Kane, Steven Kelly, Jodi's late uncle, James Falconer, uncle Tom Cobley and God knows how many others.  Now she points the finger at the Da Vinci rapist, Robert Greens.

One must not forget that the two of them wrongly accused Kate Prout of disappearing when all the time the poor lass was lying murdered in an unmarked grave.

My advice to you Miss Lean would be to have a very good long look at yourself in the mirror and stop blaming innocent people!


I have noticed that happening for a very long time.  I didnt think you could go about accusing people of murder on a public forum anyway.  Is there not a law about that?   >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Harvey on August 15, 2012, 08:33:12 PM
By jove, it has just come to  me, I always knew there was a reason why Billy Middleton and Sandra Lean or should that be Sandra McClean named their forum WAP.   You see, it has all been revealed following Sandra Leans most recent rant to the Sunday Mirror.  WAP stands for Wrongly Accused People!!

The Middleton and Lean double-act referred to by some as veritable Saint's Jude and Rita, the patron Saints of lost causes, have been accusing just about every male member of the Jones extended family. You only have to read a few pages of their sad forum to realise that the finger has been pointed at Joey Jones, the Dickie's, John Ferris, the Bryson's, Mark Kane, Steven Kelly, Jodi's late uncle, James Falconer, uncle Tom Cobley and God knows how many others.  Now she points the finger at the Da Vinci rapist, Robert Greens.

One must not forget that the two of them wrongly accused Kate Prout of disappearing when all the time the poor lass was lying murdered in an unmarked grave.

My advice to you Miss Lean would be to have a very good long look at yourself in the mirror and stop blaming innocent people!


I have noticed that happening for a very long time.  I didnt think you could go about accusing people of murder on a public forum anyway.  Is there not a law about that?   >@@(*&)

Arh - this reminds me of Debbie Garlic!   @)(++(*

I remember speaking to her once and she told me she would get Adrian an appeal in the next few months as they had on board the services of some top lawyers in London, private of course.

How wrong was she.

She didn't pay for that lie detector test - he did. They cost about 800 pounds...

She was told that a lie detector doesn't stand up in a court of law.

She did that for herself, I'm guessing she'd doubted him for a while...
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: John on August 15, 2012, 08:37:58 PM
I had a quick nosey at what she posted across on the blue forum this afternoon after Mat alerted me to what was going on.

She bleats on about how everything she posts is contained in official court documents, I doubt very much if there is any court documents anywhere which say that Luke Mitchell is innocent.  That aside, she does spout some rubbish and as for trying to discredit witnesses...well that is yet another story.  Reading statements is one thing but being in court actually hearing the evidence is something else.  That is where all her arguments come crashing down as she didn't attend the trial and is dependent on these so-called official statements which are nothing more than a guide as to the evidence which will be elicited later in court.

She is obviously trying to reshape the evidence ahead of the CCRC review but all the lies in the world will never change what Shane Mitchell told the court and that was that he never saw his brother in the family home that afternoon.  I wonder who gave him his dinner then?  Did he not smell the burning pie as the fumes rose to the ceiling outside his bedroom?  Unbelievable!

Sandra Lean's parting shot over on the blue forum was to say that it was a pity that she didn't have time to post more often. That's strange considering she has time to post on many other forums including her own WAP forum and for all the good it has done her these last 9 years.

It must be tiring cross-posting with Billy the scammer all day.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: ActualMat on August 15, 2012, 11:39:16 PM

She is obviously trying to reshape the evidence ahead of the CCRC review but all the lies in the world will never change what Shane Mitchell told the court and that was that he never saw his brother in the family home that afternoon.  I wonder who gave him his dinner then?  Did he not smell the burning pie as the fumes rose to the ceiling outside his bedroom?  Unbelievable!

This is why I don't believe what they are posting - they are trying to re-word this evidence and if they are willing to do that then they rule themselves out as a place to go for accurate information - then they wonder why I won't use their website as a source.
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Parky41 on June 16, 2019, 10:49:29 AM
This is why I don't believe what they are posting - they are trying to re-word this evidence and if they are willing to do that then they rule themselves out as a place to go for accurate information - then they wonder why I won't use their website as a source.

Mainly the reasons why I gave up the ghost on what was being giving forward then and like a leopard seems pretty much still the same.

I mentioned on other thread in reference to similar crimes and guess what Da Vinci is still in the frame. That's one in 16 years with a basic slight similarity. Absolutely not the same type of crime at all.

Lots of IF's not enough BUT'S for myself to take any of it seriously. Perhaps Stephanie Hall and her many ramblings were spot on!?
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Nicholas on June 16, 2019, 05:53:30 PM
Mainly the reasons why I gave up the ghost on what was being giving forward then and like a leopard seems pretty much still the same.

I mentioned on other thread in reference to similar crimes and guess what Da Vinci is still in the frame. That's one in 16 years with a basic slight similarity. Absolutely not the same type of crime at all.

Lots of IF's not enough BUT'S for myself to take any of it seriously. Perhaps Stephanie Hall and her many ramblings were spot on!?

Interesting.. 3 posts in and you choose to make derogatory comment about me.
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Parky41 on June 16, 2019, 11:27:05 PM
Interesting.. 3 posts in and you choose to make derogatory comment about me.

Perhaps not the best choice of language, therefore apologize forthwith to yourself. Wasn't meant offensively but can see why it would be taken that way.  $6(& %56&
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Nicholas on June 17, 2019, 12:21:11 AM
Perhaps not the best choice of language, therefore apologize forthwith to yourself. Wasn't meant offensively but can see why it would be taken that way.  $6(& %56&

 8((()*/
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Nicholas on June 24, 2019, 05:35:18 PM
Mainly the reasons why I gave up the ghost on what was being giving forward then and like a leopard seems pretty much still the same.

I mentioned on other thread in reference to similar crimes and guess what Da Vinci is still in the frame. That's one in 16 years with a basic slight similarity. Absolutely not the same type of crime at all.

Lots of IF's not enough BUT'S for myself to take any of it seriously. Perhaps Stephanie Hall and her many ramblings were spot on!?

I’m struggling to see what lessons Sandra Lean has learned since Simon Hall’s confession in 2013 and subsequent death in custody?
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Nicholas on June 24, 2019, 07:20:46 PM
I’m struggling to see what lessons Sandra Lean has learned since Simon Hall’s confession in 2013 and subsequent death in custody?

If there are men, and women, like Simon Hall who are conning others (some for years and decades at a time) claiming innocence and using things like the circumstantial evidence in their trials/cases that convicted them;

How do people like Sandra Lean decipher the con artists from the genuinely factually innocent?

It should be noted Simon Hall also conned forensic psychologists during his time behind bars.
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Parky41 on June 24, 2019, 10:04:18 PM
If there are men, and women, like Simon Hall who are conning others (some for years and decades at a time) claiming innocence and using things like the circumstantial evidence in their trials/cases that convicted them;

How do people like Sandra Lean decipher the con artists from the genuinely factually innocent?

It should be noted Simon Hall also conned forensic psychologists during his time behind bars.

A positive to take out of a negative here, IMO is, for every 1 person who focuses on false and inaccurate information, there are hundreds more who don't. A very low % of the population take the time to base any opinion via media tactics, what are the odds therefore when narrowed down to forums and books?

Through my years of study ( in 3 different subjects) nothing has moved forward in this case, if anything it has become less of a topic of interest. A POA that is no more, a major break down of communication between the author and the subjects.

IMO through study into the mind and shock, recollection of events within this, it is pushed to the back with no insight at all. So blatantly obvious for anyone to take real time, to see this was perhaps the laddies greatest downfall. Precision, on everything, as was his mams.  What study did Dr Lean do in regards to the workings of a mind in shock, I would guess, Just a guess, none.
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Nicholas on June 24, 2019, 10:42:53 PM
Through my years of study ( in 3 different subjects) nothing has moved forward in this case, if anything it has become less of a topic of interest. A POA that is no more, a major break down of communication between the author and the subjects.

I get a sense of desperation.

What’s the motivation to drip feed snippets of 16 year old witness statements? Who does it discredit?
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Nicholas on June 24, 2019, 11:21:28 PM
A positive to take out of a negative here, IMO is, for every 1 person who focuses on false and inaccurate information, there are hundreds more who don't. A very low % of the population take the time to base any opinion via media tactics, what are the odds therefore when narrowed down to forums and books?

At the end of Sandra Lean’s speech here https://www.movementinmedia.com/innovation-of-justice.html @ approx 18.03 when she announces she had attended Nick Rose’s funeral the day before; she mentions the alleged witnesses who claim to have seen Charlotte Pinkney alive after it was claimed she was murdered.

In the Simon Hall case several witnesses claimed to have heard glass breaking/smashing or noises at around 2am. IF they heard noises or glass breaking/smashing it wasn’t linked to the murder. There wasn’t one witness, that I’m aware of, who heard the victims kitchen window being smashed at around 6am ish.
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Nicholas on June 26, 2019, 07:02:50 PM
At the end of Sandra Lean’s speech here https://www.movementinmedia.com/innovation-of-justice.html @ approx 18.03 when she announces she had attended Nick Rose’s funeral the day before; she mentions the alleged witnesses who claim to have seen Charlotte Pinkney alive after it was claimed she was murdered.

In the Simon Hall case several witnesses claimed to have heard glass breaking/smashing or noises at around 2am. IF they heard noises or glass breaking/smashing it wasn’t linked to the murder. There wasn’t one witness, that I’m aware of, who heard the victims kitchen window being smashed at around 6am ish.

Will come back to this


@ approx 46.12 here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fqQ7lnucUMI talking about the Luke Mitchell case Sandra Lean states;

there were a number of witnesses the defence wanted to call and they were disallowed for one reason or another

When referring to the expert on recall in relation to AB’s evidence she says

Speaking in particular about the lady who very clearly would have been being influenced with stories going and back and forth with such close proximity the fact that..

they wouldn’t allow him to give evidence because he hadn’t examined the lady in question

She then goes on,

We know psychologists know that the impact on recall of additional information - that wasn’t enough - that was disallowed

What does she know?

In the Simon Hall case it’s clear Lynne Hall did indeed influence the numerous witnesses who came forward claiming to have heard noises at around 2am.

However I find it interesting how Sandra Lean states it like its fact that X amount of witnesses saw Charlotte Pinkney alive after she was murdered ergo Nick Rose must be innocent. What about recall?

Does she not think the witnesses in the Nick Rose case very clearly would have been being influenced with stories going back and forth etc? https://court-appeal.vlex.co.uk/vid/-52563793

The appeal court judges did

Lawyers for Rose, 24, said Charlotte was seen alive more than 12 hours after she was alleged to have been murdered.
“But The Court of Appeal judges said on Friday there was ample evidence the witnesses were mistaken in their recollection

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/5109670.stm
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Nicholas on June 29, 2019, 12:01:18 PM
At the end of Sandra Lean’s speech here https://www.movementinmedia.com/innovation-of-justice.html

Direct link https://vimeo.com/343826656

Sandra Lean stated in Jan 2017:
Interesting case, with a number of apparent anomalies (I know nothing about this case - this is the first time I've heard anything about it.
How, though, can the prosecution claim he attempted to withdraw £200 - the pin number was wrong, so he wouldn't have even got to the point of entering an amount.

“The claimed DNA match which secured the eventual conviction in the Matthew Hamlen case, following an exoneration and a retrial, DNA which had previously returned firstly a "no match" and then a dubious "partial match," miraculously turns up a couple of years later as a full match?

“As I've said before, I know very little about this case, but alarm bells start ringing when the magic bullet of a claimed "full DNA match" turns up in such questionable circumstances.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg384314.html#msg384314


Could Matthew Hamlen’s motive have a sexual element?
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Nicholas on July 16, 2019, 01:47:13 PM
Direct link https://vimeo.com/343826656

Sandra Lean stated in Jan 2017:
Interesting case, with a number of apparent anomalies (I know nothing about this case - this is the first time I've heard anything about it.
How, though, can the prosecution claim he attempted to withdraw £200 - the pin number was wrong, so he wouldn't have even got to the point of entering an amount.

“The claimed DNA match which secured the eventual conviction in the Matthew Hamlen case, following an exoneration and a retrial, DNA which had previously returned firstly a "no match" and then a dubious "partial match," miraculously turns up a couple of years later as a full match?

“As I've said before, I know very little about this case, but alarm bells start ringing when the magic bullet of a claimed "full DNA match" turns up in such questionable circumstances.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg384314.html#msg384314


Could Matthew Hamlen’s motive have a sexual element?

”Horrifyingly, the meticulous grandmother, who’d stayed glamorous into her sunset years, had her trousers around her knees.
Her underpants had also partially been pulled down.”

(Real People 4 Oct 2018 - Murder Map)

Matthew Hamlen said he could not be sure if he had sex with Georgina Edmonds
https://www.hampshirechronicle.co.uk/news/14265690.matthew-hamlen-said-he-could-not-be-sure-if-he-had-sex-with-georgina-edmonds/
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Nicholas on August 08, 2019, 08:28:06 PM
”Horrifyingly, the meticulous grandmother, who’d stayed glamorous into her sunset years, had her trousers around her knees.
Her underpants had also partially been pulled down.”

(Real People 4 Oct 2018 - Murder Map)

Matthew Hamlen said he could not be sure if he had sex with Georgina Edmonds
https://www.hampshirechronicle.co.uk/news/14265690.matthew-hamlen-said-he-could-not-be-sure-if-he-had-sex-with-georgina-edmonds/

Has Matthew Hamlen confessed?

https://matthewhamlenisinnocent.wordpress.com/
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Nicholas on August 09, 2019, 01:31:58 PM
Direct link https://vimeo.com/343826656

Sandra Lean stated in Jan 2017:
Interesting case, with a number of apparent anomalies (I know nothing about this case - this is the first time I've heard anything about it.
How, though, can the prosecution claim he attempted to withdraw £200 - the pin number was wrong, so he wouldn't have even got to the point of entering an amount.

“The claimed DNA match which secured the eventual conviction in the Matthew Hamlen case, following an exoneration and a retrial, DNA which had previously returned firstly a "no match" and then a dubious "partial match," miraculously turns up a couple of years later as a full match?

“As I've said before, I know very little about this case, but alarm bells start ringing when the magic bullet of a claimed "full DNA match" turns up in such questionable circumstances.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg384314.html#msg384314


Could Matthew Hamlen’s motive have a sexual element?

The direct link has now been made private?

Direct link https://vimeo.com/343826656
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Nicholas on August 09, 2019, 07:38:20 PM
Has Matthew Hamlen confessed?

https://matthewhamlenisinnocent.wordpress.com/

Why does it appear Peter Martin is no longer backing Matthew Hamlen’s claims?

Has Sandra Lean and the “Long road to justice” organisation taken over the case?

Regarding MOJO Scotland and Luke Mitchell’s case, Sandra Lean recently told STV news,

”Part of the problem was the promises being made were not being kept. The case review itself was something of a farce. There was no central strategy. There was no planned route to how this review was going to take place.

"The idea of having the Luke Mitchell case, this huge case on their books, was good publicity for them."

"I was going to say it's a disaster but if they're not doing the work, they're giving false hope to people and that, in the circumstances these people are in, that it shocking, that is dreadful.

https://stv.tv/news/west-central/1439054-miscarriages-of-justice-charity-stripped-of-lottery-funding/

The Matthew Hamlen/Sandra Lean podcasts are still available here https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/justice-in/episode-1-zKr4msUAvpg/

Dr Sandra Lean presents Episode 1 of a 6 part series on Matthew’s case,  examining the horrific murder of an old lady, the relentless pursuit, not once, but twice, of a man who insists he is completely innocent, a police investigation spanning 8 years and two trials reportedly costing together over...

But doesn’t appear to be available here https://player.fm/series/justice-in-jeopardy-the-matthew-hamlen-case
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And appears to have been removed from Sandra Leans you tube channel?

Though she highlighted Matthew Hamlen’s case on 22nd June 2019 in London?

At the end of Sandra Lean’s speech here https://www.movementinmedia.com/innovation-of-justice.html
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Nicholas on August 09, 2019, 10:16:09 PM
At the end of Sandra Lean’s speech here https://www.movementinmedia.com/innovation-of-justice.html @ approx 18.03 when she announces she had attended Nick Rose’s funeral the day before; she mentions the alleged witnesses who claim to have seen Charlotte Pinkney alive after it was claimed she was murdered.

In the Simon Hall case several witnesses claimed to have heard glass breaking/smashing or noises at around 2am. IF they heard noises or glass breaking/smashing it wasn’t linked to the murder. There wasn’t one witness, that I’m aware of, who heard the victims kitchen window being smashed at around 6am ish.

It was claimed Simon Halls mother put the rumour mill into action in the village re the alleged earlier noises, which makes sense.

Why did Sandra Lean choose to broadcast Nick Rose’s death to the “innovation of justice” meeting?

She was also keen to post Simon Halls death on Billy Middleton’s Wrongly Accused website too?

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I'm sad to report that Stephanie Hall received the news that Simon Hall was found dead in his cell this morning.


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oh dear that was a bit out the blue any idea as to the cause.
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Everyone associated with Wrongly Accused Person, and indeed United Against Injustice were saddened and shocked to hear the news, and would like to express our sincere condolences to Simon's nearest and dearest. There can be no dispute that recent years have been difficult for them, however now in their darkest hour I feel it appropriate to acknowledge not only the traumatic effect that his passing will have on those who truly cared for him, but also that he may well have been innocent after all. Our thoughts are with his family at this sad time.
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Nicholas on August 09, 2019, 10:23:26 PM
It’s a shame Gordo30 over on blue hasn’t yet cottoned on to the fact he’s being duped.

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Re: Simon Hall Dead
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2014, 12:06:11 pm »

I'm not sure I understand your post in relation to "he was innocent" there may be something I don't know but surely the innocence debate is finished.

I would like to reiterate  that of others in my condolences to anyone affected by by the tragedy of a mans death but what surrounded it has been to much too soon for me.
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Nicholas on August 09, 2019, 10:59:56 PM
Direct link https://vimeo.com/343826656

Sandra Lean stated in Jan 2017:
Interesting case, with a number of apparent anomalies (I know nothing about this case - this is the first time I've heard anything about it.
How, though, can the prosecution claim he attempted to withdraw £200 - the pin number was wrong, so he wouldn't have even got to the point of entering an amount.

“The claimed DNA match which secured the eventual conviction in the Matthew Hamlen case, following an exoneration and a retrial, DNA which had previously returned firstly a "no match" and then a dubious "partial match," miraculously turns up a couple of years later as a full match?

“As I've said before, I know very little about this case, but alarm bells start ringing when the magic bullet of a claimed "full DNA match" turns up in such questionable circumstances.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg384314.html#msg384314


Could Matthew Hamlen’s motive have a sexual element?

”Horrifyingly, the meticulous grandmother, who’d stayed glamorous into her sunset years, had her trousers around her knees.
Her underpants had also partially been pulled down.”

(Real People 4 Oct 2018 - Murder Map)

Matthew Hamlen said he could not be sure if he had sex with Georgina Edmonds
https://www.hampshirechronicle.co.uk/news/14265690.matthew-hamlen-said-he-could-not-be-sure-if-he-had-sex-with-georgina-edmonds/

?

Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Nicholas on August 11, 2019, 11:49:46 AM
And appears to have been removed from Sandra Leans you tube channel?

Though she highlighted Matthew Hamlen’s case on 22nd June 2019 in London?

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZLSdT-uIALUa6vVzxNc0MsUKPMoJtwbt

Re website and (partial) YouTube video removal from WWW - According to Ron Cufley “the expert witness has complained that it was harassing her?”

Which makes no sense because Sandra Leans 6 part series can still be listened to here https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/justice-in/episode-1-zKr4msUAvpg/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Nicholas on August 11, 2019, 12:58:22 PM
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZLSdT-uIALUa6vVzxNc0MsUKPMoJtwbt

Re website and (partial) YouTube video removal from WWW - According to Ron Cufley “the expert witness has complained that it was harassing her?”

Which makes no sense because Sandra Leans 6 part series can still be listened to here https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/justice-in/episode-1-zKr4msUAvpg/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

And the disclaimer at the bottom of the link above reads:

Disclaimer: ”The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from MatthewHamlenisInnocent.wordpress.com, which is the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Listen Notes, Inc.
Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Nicholas on August 12, 2019, 01:21:33 PM
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZLSdT-uIALUa6vVzxNc0MsUKPMoJtwbt

Re website and (partial) YouTube video removal from WWW - According to Ron Cufley “the expert witness has complained that it was harassing her?”

Which makes no sense because Sandra Leans 6 part series can still be listened to here https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/justice-in/episode-1-zKr4msUAvpg/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Peter Martin’s comment at the bottom of “They Walk Among Us” is interesting:


Peter Martin A month ago · 0 Likes 
Peter Martin Again a well researched podcasts but Ben might have raised some obvious questions about the police narrative. Why would anyone torture a person for a PIN number when they had no way of checking out the information? This theory clearly makes no sense when we also are told that Mrs Edmonds' alarm bracelet wasn't activated and there were no defensive wounds. Her hands were left untied and she was found still wearing three expensive rings and a wrist watch. £30 was left untouched on the sideboard.
If Ben had dug a little deeper he would also have found that Mrs Edmonds had traces of food in her trachea.So she must have been eating when she was struck on the head. Is this consistent with torture for a PIN theory?
Clearly robbery wasn't the motive in this case.
https://matthewhamlenisinnocent.wordpress.com



Has Peter Martin finally conceded the murder may have been sexually motivated?

The podcast was posted on 4th July 2019 and Peter Martins comment appears to have been made around a month ago; ergo not long after is was published.

Title: Re: Luke Mitchell - Sandra Lean blames the so-called Da Vinci rapist now
Post by: Nicholas on August 12, 2019, 04:35:10 PM
Peter Martin’s comment at the bottom of “They Walk Among Us” is interesting:


Peter Martin A month ago · 0 Likes 
Peter Martin Again a well researched podcasts but Ben might have raised some obvious questions about the police narrative. Why would anyone torture a person for a PIN number when they had no way of checking out the information? This theory clearly makes no sense when we also are told that Mrs Edmonds' alarm bracelet wasn't activated and there were no defensive wounds. Her hands were left untied and she was found still wearing three expensive rings and a wrist watch. £30 was left untouched on the sideboard.
If Ben had dug a little deeper he would also have found that Mrs Edmonds had traces of food in her trachea.So she must have been eating when she was struck on the head. Is this consistent with torture for a PIN theory?
Clearly robbery wasn't the motive in this case.
https://matthewhamlenisinnocent.wordpress.com



Has Peter Martin finally conceded the murder may have been sexually motivated?

The podcast was posted on 4th July 2019 and Peter Martins comment appears to have been made around a month ago; ergo not long after is was published.

The link to the above is here https://theywalkamonguspodcast.com/new-episodes/2019/7/4/season-4-episode-7

At the end of the podcast there is mention of a £50,000 pound reward.

Though now with no website or anyway to contact the “campaign” not sure how that works?