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Title: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: misty on June 24, 2015, 02:02:13 AM
Former PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder by Appeal Court after having been acquitted by lower Court.

*snipped*
The following three persons face a criminal prosecution for libel:
Julia Pinheiro, presenter of the SIC TV station
Hernani Carvalho, political and crime commentator
Carlos Anjos, former police inspector and head of Portugal’s equivalent of our Police Federation.
The story is also important because McCann-supporting blogs and forum are already smearing these two associates of Dr Amaral.
What are these three charged with?

They are charged with the criminal libel of a lady PJ detective, Ana Saltão. Her husband was also a PJ inspector.
In June last year, Ana Saltão
was found not guilty of the murder of  Filomena Gonçalves, the grandmother of her husband. He was found with 14 bullets in his body. Forensic evidence suggested that she was his murderer. But she was acquitted, I think by a panel of 3 judges and 4 jury members (Portugal does not have full-scale trial by jury as we have). It seems that at some stage last year Hernani Carvalho and Carlos Anjos gave their opinion on Julia Pinheiro’s show that Ana Saltão was guilty of murdering Filomena Gonçalves.
Possibly that is a criminal offence under Portuguese law. I do not know.
From my reading of the Google translations, there was a huge amount of forensic and circumstantial evidence that she was guilty (see ‘Second’ and ‘Third’ press reports below), including:
1. Burn marks on her hand from the discharge of a revolver (she said they were burnt whilst frying an omelette
2. Gunpowder residue in her coat pocket (her lawyers said this must be contamination in the police station
3. Her movements being unaccounted for at the time Mrs Gonçalves was killed


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Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: sadie on June 24, 2015, 07:07:41 AM
Former PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder by Appeal Court after having been acquitted by lower Court.

*snipped*
The following three persons face a criminal prosecution for libel:
Julia Pinheiro, presenter of the SIC TV station
Hernani Carvalho, political and crime commentator
Carlos Anjos, former police inspector and head of Portugal’s equivalent of our Police Federation.
The story is also important because McCann-supporting blogs and forum are already smearing these two associates of Dr Amaral.
What are these three charged with?

They are charged with the criminal libel of a lady PJ detective, Ana Saltão. Her husband was also a PJ inspector.
In June last year, Ana Saltão
was found not guilty of the murder of  Filomena Gonçalves, the grandmother of her husband. He was found with 14 bullets in his body. Forensic evidence suggested that she was his murderer. But she was acquitted, I think by a panel of 3 judges and 4 jury members (Portugal does not have full-scale trial by jury as we have). It seems that at some stage last year Hernani Carvalho and Carlos Anjos gave their opinion on Julia Pinheiro’s show that Ana Saltão was guilty of murdering Filomena Gonçalves.
Possibly that is a criminal offence under Portuguese law. I do not know.
From my reading of the Google translations, there was a huge amount of forensic and circumstantial evidence that she was guilty (see ‘Second’ and ‘Third’ press reports below), including:
1. Burn marks on her hand from the discharge of a revolver (she said they were burnt whilst frying an omelette
2. Gunpowder residue in her coat pocket (her lawyers said this must be contamination in the police station
3. Her movements being unaccounted for at the time Mrs Gonçalves was killed

           

Ho Ho Ho !

Three very interesting names there

Julie Pinheiro
Hernanai Carvalho
Carlos Anjos

Very efficient people at "bulling up" Amaral .... and at the same time, knocking The Mccanns down. 

Anyone know the name of the Judge/s ?
And when the Court case will be?


Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: misty on June 24, 2015, 11:21:34 PM
http://pt.blastingnews.com/pais/2015/05/inspectora-da-pj-condenada-a-17-anos-de-prisao-depois-de-ter-sido-absolvida-00414103.html

Updated: May 27, 2015, 18:54

PJ inspector sentenced to 17 years in prison after being acquitted

The Court of Appeal condemned Ana Saltão to 17 years in prison after she had been acquitted by a jury court. Ana Saltão was acquitted in September 2014


Ana Saltão, the inspector of the Judicial Police (PJ) accused of murdering her husband's grandmother by shooting, was sentenced to 17 years in prison by the Court of Appeal of Coimbra. The penalty comes after the defendant was acquitted by a jury tribunal constituted for this purpose on 8 September 2014.  The decision of the Court of Appeal to send Ana Saltão to prison, known today, surprised her defence lawyer, who has already announced that he would appeal to the Supreme Court. The crime dates back to 21 November 2012, when Filomena Gonçalves, 80, was found dead at her home, having been shot 14 times.

I was as astonished as she was said Monica Quintela, the defence lawyer of the Inspector of the judicial police, to take note of the decision of the Court of appeal, despite not having yet, access to its judgment. The lawyer conceded that that court could order a re-trial, but not to apply a prison sentence. Not least because he states he knows well the process and "nothing can allow a conviction," emphasizes the lawyer.

The inspector of the Judicial Police of the Port, about 40, was judged by a jury court as the author of the 14 shots that killed Filomena Gonçalves, grandmother of her husband, also an inspector of the Judiciary. When deciding what led to the acquittal of the accused, the president of the judges' collective view that "is the minimum probability" that have committed crimes that were on the accusation of the prosecution. That is the crime of murder and embezzlement, the latter by the alleged use of a service weapon to commit the crime. The jury understood, too, that all aspects were not clarified and therefore remained unanswered, pointing the finger at some errors in the taking of evidence by the investigators.

It should be noted that following that acquittal, Ana Saltão brought a lawsuit against three participants of the SIC "dearest Julia", by advertising and libel. In particular, the presenter Julia Pinheiro, the commentator Hernâni Carvalho and the former judicial police inspector Carlos Anjos. At issue are statements made by those in a criminal analysis section inserted in that program on the morning about the case involving the Inspector of the Judicial Police.

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So, in Portugal, even if you are acquitted by a jury you can still later be imprisoned without a re-trial?
Something stinks here.



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Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: pegasus on June 24, 2015, 11:31:18 PM
Yes an appeal to a higher court can reverse the decision of a lower court.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: misty on June 24, 2015, 11:59:34 PM
Yes an appeal to a higher court can reverse the decision of a lower court.

Her lawyer seems bemused by the process. Surely the higher court cannot alter the ruling & add sentence at the same time?
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Brietta on June 25, 2015, 12:19:38 PM
Her lawyer seems bemused by the process. Surely the higher court cannot alter the ruling & add sentence at the same time?

I am bemused that the result of a trial by jury can be set aside so easily ... that seems to me to be a bit more than Double Jeopardy in action.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 25, 2015, 02:32:33 PM
Yes an appeal to a higher court can reverse the decision of a lower court.
What is the point of having any sort of judgment at the lower court level then?
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: sadie on June 26, 2015, 11:20:38 AM
http://pt.blastingnews.com/pais/2015/05/inspectora-da-pj-condenada-a-17-anos-de-prisao-depois-de-ter-sido-absolvida-00414103.html

Updated: May 27, 2015, 18:54

PJ inspector sentenced to 17 years in prison after being acquitted

The Court of Appeal condemned Ana Saltão to 17 years in prison after she had been acquitted by a jury court. Ana Saltão was acquitted in September 2014


Ana Saltão, the inspector of the Judicial Police (PJ) accused of murdering her husband's grandmother by shooting, was sentenced to 17 years in prison by the Court of Appeal of Coimbra. The penalty comes after the defendant was acquitted by a jury tribunal constituted for this purpose on 8 September 2014.  The decision of the Court of Appeal to send Ana Saltão to prison, known today, surprised her defence lawyer, who has already announced that he would appeal to the Supreme Court. The crime dates back to 21 November 2012, when Filomena Gonçalves, 80, was found dead at her home, having been shot 14 times.

I was as astonished as she was said Monica Quintela, the defence lawyer of the Inspector of the judicial police, to take note of the decision of the Court of appeal, despite not having yet, access to its judgment. The lawyer conceded that that court could order a re-trial, but not to apply a prison sentence. Not least because he states he knows well the process and "nothing can allow a conviction," emphasizes the lawyer.

The inspector of the Judicial Police of the Port, about 40, was judged by a jury court as the author of the 14 shots that killed Filomena Gonçalves, grandmother of her husband, also an inspector of the Judiciary. When deciding what led to the acquittal of the accused, the president of the judges' collective view that "is the minimum probability" that have committed crimes that were on the accusation of the prosecution. That is the crime of murder and embezzlement, the latter by the alleged use of a service weapon to commit the crime. The jury understood, too, that all aspects were not clarified and therefore remained unanswered, pointing the finger at some errors in the taking of evidence by the investigators.

It should be noted that following that acquittal, Ana Saltão brought a lawsuit against three participants of the SIC "dearest Julia", by advertising and libel. In particular, the presenter Julia Pinheiro, the commentator Hernâni Carvalho and the former judicial police inspector Carlos Anjos. At issue are statements made by those in a criminal analysis section inserted in that program on the morning about the case involving the Inspector of the Judicial Police.

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So, in Portugal, even if you are acquitted by a jury you can still later be imprisoned without a re-trial?
Something stinks here.
That is dreadful.  As you say, misty something stinks. 


In fact two things stink

1.  Three well known people, Julie Pinheiro, Hermani Carvalho and maybe Carlos Anjou , the same ones who smacked the Mccanns all the time, seemingly smacked Ana as well.  So badly that Ana filed a Lawsuit against them for slander and advertising [?=disinformation / propaganda publicly put out against her?]
Are the trio being protected?


i)  This latest Judgement against her not only overrules the previous one in front of a jury jailing her, a free woman, for 17 years.  This done without any evidence being presented, but on a ?whim?  &%+((£

ii)  It also presumably prevents Ana from persuing her lawsuit against the people that it appears have been slandering her and upping the feelings of the masses against her.   So they slip out of that Lawsuit? &%+((£



This treatment seems common in PT.  Joana Leonor Cipriano suffered the same fate, with massive propaganda put out against her.  The people of PT were braying for her blood as a result of this awful unjust propaganda.

 
Like with Amaral v The Mccanns on the "Dear Julie" (Julie Pinheiro) shows.  Amaral was supported IIRC by Julie Pinheiro via asking  "helpful" questions and introducing people who would staunchly back him, such as Hermani Carvalho and Moita Flores.     So enable Amaral with an enviable opportunity to present his "side". 

Was Amaral supported by Carlos Anjos too.  Anyone remember?

So the trio, who have done this sort of thing before, it seems, but then against The Mccanns, are free to do it again.   Anyone know if they were the ones who also did it against Leonor and Joao Cipriano?


2.  Ana was acquitted in the proper trial but jailed at the Appeal Court without any evidence being presented?  Am I right ?

What is the name/s of the judge/ s in the Court of Appeal in Coimbra.  Anyone know?   Could be interesting.



As you say misty, the whole thing stinks.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: John on July 15, 2015, 04:45:01 PM
http://pt.blastingnews.com/pais/2015/05/inspectora-da-pj-condenada-a-17-anos-de-prisao-depois-de-ter-sido-absolvida-00414103.html

Updated: May 27, 2015, 18:54

PJ inspector sentenced to 17 years in prison after being acquitted

The Court of Appeal condemned Ana Saltão to 17 years in prison after she had been acquitted by a jury court. Ana Saltão was acquitted in September 2014


Ana Saltão, the inspector of the Judicial Police (PJ) accused of murdering her husband's grandmother by shooting, was sentenced to 17 years in prison by the Court of Appeal of Coimbra. The penalty comes after the defendant was acquitted by a jury tribunal constituted for this purpose on 8 September 2014.  The decision of the Court of Appeal to send Ana Saltão to prison, known today, surprised her defence lawyer, who has already announced that he would appeal to the Supreme Court. The crime dates back to 21 November 2012, when Filomena Gonçalves, 80, was found dead at her home, having been shot 14 times.

I was as astonished as she was said Monica Quintela, the defence lawyer of the Inspector of the judicial police, to take note of the decision of the Court of appeal, despite not having yet, access to its judgment. The lawyer conceded that that court could order a re-trial, but not to apply a prison sentence. Not least because he states he knows well the process and "nothing can allow a conviction," emphasizes the lawyer.

The inspector of the Judicial Police of the Port, about 40, was judged by a jury court as the author of the 14 shots that killed Filomena Gonçalves, grandmother of her husband, also an inspector of the Judiciary. When deciding what led to the acquittal of the accused, the president of the judges' collective view that "is the minimum probability" that have committed crimes that were on the accusation of the prosecution. That is the crime of murder and embezzlement, the latter by the alleged use of a service weapon to commit the crime. The jury understood, too, that all aspects were not clarified and therefore remained unanswered, pointing the finger at some errors in the taking of evidence by the investigators.

It should be noted that following that acquittal, Ana Saltão brought a lawsuit against three participants of the SIC "dearest Julia", by advertising and libel. In particular, the presenter Julia Pinheiro, the commentator Hernâni Carvalho and the former judicial police inspector Carlos Anjos. At issue are statements made by those in a criminal analysis section inserted in that program on the morning about the case involving the Inspector of the Judicial Police.

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So, in Portugal, even if you are acquitted by a jury you can still later be imprisoned without a re-trial?
Something stinks here.

Thank you for posting this story misty, I think it needs its own thread as there is sure to be much more to come yet.
 
It says something when a Portuguese lawyer can claim that an Appeal Court has exceeded its powers when it invoked a sentence instead of instructing a retrial.  This gets more bizarre by the week!
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on July 15, 2015, 04:57:23 PM
Portuguese justice seems to be somewhat farcical, but of course we mustn't say so cos that would be xenophobic wouldn't it?
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Davel on July 15, 2015, 04:57:47 PM
But we are told if you are innocent you have nothing to fear...

So having been found not guilty she has now been jailed
Does this not justify how little faith the mccanns had in the Portuguese legal system
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on July 15, 2015, 05:00:37 PM
But we are told if you are innocent you have nothing to fear...

So having been found not guilty she has now been jailed
Does this not justify how little faith the mccanns had in the Portuguese legal system
At this rate the McCanns will be found guilty of damaging Amaral as a result of his appeal and have all their assets frozen.  It's Alice in Wonderland justice.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Carana on July 15, 2015, 07:14:45 PM
I have no idea whether this PJ inspector killed whoever it was or not. Her husband's grandmother (?) - I'd have to check the original, but anyway.

And I'm setting aside the tabloid pink couch brigade and the defamation issue.

I'm more intrigued as to the legal process of the murder case.

She was acquitted of murder, but then sentenced to 17 years on appeal?

How does that happen? New evidence presented?

A waffly fan blowing over facts / legal issues in the a quo trial?

Where's JP?
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: ferryman on July 15, 2015, 07:28:35 PM
As I understand it, in some judicial systems, acquittals can be appealed, as well as convictions.

No double jeopardy rule, obviously, although we in Britain have abolished double jeopardy as well.

Still (in Britain) there is no automatic right of appeal against an acquittal.  There can only be a re-trial if new evidence comes to light to warrant it.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Carana on July 15, 2015, 07:52:17 PM
As I understand it, in some judicial systems, acquittals can be appealed, as well as convictions.

No double jeopardy rule, obviously, although we in Britain have abolished double jeopardy as well.

Still (in Britain) there is no automatic right of appeal against an acquittal.  There can only be a re-trial if new evidence comes to light to warrant it.

I'd be interested in the appeal court ruling on this one. Either something crucial wasn't taken into account in the a quo ruling, or new evidence suddenly appeared... Unless laws have changed, there are provisions for appeal if major points weren't taken into account (but with deadlines).
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: mercury on July 15, 2015, 09:58:05 PM
WOW a police officer is sentenced for murder....better than what happens in the UK when theyre let off
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: misty on April 27, 2017, 01:06:50 AM
This case has potentially turned very interesting indeed.


http://portugalresident.com/the-extraordinary-saga-of-police-inspector-accused-of-shooting-mother-in-law-now-sees-exhumation
Posted by PORTUGALPRESS on April 26, 2017

The extraordinary saga surrounding the murder allegation against PJ inspector Ana Saltão (click here) moved into new territory this week with the exhumation of the body of the elderly woman she has been accused of shooting 14 times five years ago, and a looming retrial. Saltão has been cleared, condemned, and then cleared again of the killing of her mother-in-law, before the Public Ministry demanded a retrial.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: stephen25000 on April 27, 2017, 01:36:18 AM
What does this have to do with the McCann case ?
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: misty on April 27, 2017, 02:01:11 AM
What does this have to do with the McCann case ?

When the Portuguese courts get it wrong, Stephen.
See post #8.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: stephen25000 on April 27, 2017, 02:02:49 AM
They didn't get it wrong in this case.

The law was enacted.

Next.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: misty on April 27, 2017, 02:05:03 AM
They didn't get it wrong in this case.

The law was enacted.

Next.


Which court was right & which court was wrong as there are different judgements?
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: stephen25000 on April 27, 2017, 02:07:22 AM

Which court was right & which court was wrong as there are different judgements?

The only one which counts.

The Supreme Court.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Robittybob1 on April 27, 2017, 02:43:08 AM
The only one which counts.

The Supreme Court.
The Court of Public Opinion is also important in a democracy.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: stephen25000 on April 27, 2017, 02:53:39 AM
The Court of Public Opinion is also important in a democracy.

Ah, you mean a very small band of McCann supporters.

They don't make the law.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: jassi on April 27, 2017, 08:58:09 AM
The Court of Public Opinion is also important in a democracy.

Only for those who live in that democracy.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: misty on April 27, 2017, 01:32:22 PM
I am assuming the victim's body is being exhumed due to an issue over the original forensics. It will be interesting to watch how this develops.

http://www.asbeiras.pt/2017/04/quintela-desvaloriza-exumacao-do-corpo-de-filomena-goncalves/

Ana Saltão's defense lawyer, Monica Quintela, said yesterday that the exhumation of Filomena Gonçalves's body is "totally useless".
Asked by journalists at the scene, the prosecutor of the Judiciary Police accused of the death of her husband's grandmother said that she "could add" something, "but it will not detract anything from the process." "It will not dictate the fate of the process," he said.
According to Monica Quintela, this diligence will not, for example, clarify "what was the fate of the bullets and, above all, its trajectory". The lawyer was accompanied by Duarte Nuno Vieira, former president of the National Institute of Legal Medicine (INML) and current director of the Faculty of Medicine of the University of Coimbra. The expert was named expert by the defense of Ana Saltão. It should be noted that at the time of the events (November 2012), Duarte Nuno Vieira was the president of INML.
The new examination of the body of Filomena Gonçalves, shot dead in 2012, was requested by the Public Prosecutor's Office and aims to find out if any bullets were left in the remains of the elderly woman. It is because the autopsy performed at that time could not ascertain this situation, since the INML X-ray machine was damaged at that time.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: stephen25000 on April 27, 2017, 01:43:51 PM
I am assuming the victim's body is being exhumed due to an issue over the original forensics. It will be interesting to watch how this develops.

http://www.asbeiras.pt/2017/04/quintela-desvaloriza-exumacao-do-corpo-de-filomena-goncalves/

Ana Saltão's defense lawyer, Monica Quintela, said yesterday that the exhumation of Filomena Gonçalves's body is "totally useless".
Asked by journalists at the scene, the prosecutor of the Judiciary Police accused of the death of her husband's grandmother said that she "could add" something, "but it will not detract anything from the process." "It will not dictate the fate of the process," he said.
According to Monica Quintela, this diligence will not, for example, clarify "what was the fate of the bullets and, above all, its trajectory". The lawyer was accompanied by Duarte Nuno Vieira, former president of the National Institute of Legal Medicine (INML) and current director of the Faculty of Medicine of the University of Coimbra. The expert was named expert by the defense of Ana Saltão. It should be noted that at the time of the events (November 2012), Duarte Nuno Vieira was the president of INML.
The new examination of the body of Filomena Gonçalves, shot dead in 2012, was requested by the Public Prosecutor's Office and aims to find out if any bullets were left in the remains of the elderly woman. It is because the autopsy performed at that time could not ascertain this situation, since the INML X-ray machine was damaged at that time.


How does relate to the McCann case ?
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: misty on April 27, 2017, 01:48:31 PM

How does relate to the McCann case ?
Loosely........
Julie Pinheiro
Hernanai Carvalho
Carlos Anjos

John felt this story warranted its own thread.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: stephen25000 on April 27, 2017, 02:03:04 PM
Loosely........
Julie Pinheiro
Hernanai Carvalho
Carlos Anjos

John felt this story warranted its own thread.

Absolutely nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance.

Unless you are suggesting otherwise. 8(0(*
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: misty on April 27, 2017, 02:16:14 PM
Absolutely nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance.

Unless you are suggesting otherwise. 8(0(*

Take it up with John if you don't think the case warrants discussion on here. I cited the Saltao ruling during the time we were waiting for the SC decision on the Mccann v Amaral damages trial because the SC overturned an Appeal Court ruling in her case.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: misty on September 30, 2017, 12:04:02 AM
PJ Inspector Ana Saltão acquitted A repeat of the trial ends when she was accused of killing her husband's grandmother. By Lusa | 07:43 Atualizada há 39 minutos

Ler mais em: https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=pt-BR&sp=nmt4&u=http://www.cmjornal.pt/mundo/detalhe/inspetora-da-pj-ana-saltao-conhece-sentenca-do-tribunal-de-coimbra%3Fref%3DHP_Destaque&usg=ALkJrhhXWTI1sIE0MB1ke41eI4waZ6eHxQ

 The inspector of the Judiciary Police Ana Saltão, accused of killing her husband's grandmother in 2012, was this Friday, acquitted of the crime by the Court of Coimbra. The PJ's inspector had already been acquitted in the first instance in 2014, after which she was sentenced to 17 years in prison for the Coimbra Relation, but the Supreme Court rejected the decision and the trial began to be repeated in May, jury. In the final allegations, in July, the Public Prosecutor's Office (MP) requested the maximum sentence - 25 years in prison - for the inspector, considering that there was "economic motivation" to commit the crime, with the prosecutor to maintain that the inspector and husband had a financial situation that, "although balanced and controlled, was not brilliant." Defense lawyer Mónica Quintela reiterated, as she did in the first trial in 2014, that the investigation has no credibility, pointing to several contradictions and shortcomings, and defended the acquittal of her client. The defendant's defense pointed out that there is nothing to show that the five particles detected in the jacket were the result of shots, since the clothing was in contact with the floor of an inspector's office before being analyzed. Ana Salgado, who reaffirmed her innocence during the trial, was accused of being the author of more than 10 shots that killed Filomena Alves, 80, in a residence in Coimbra on the afternoon of November 21, 2012.
The PJ's inspector was initially acquitted in 2014 by a jury court, where the president of the panel of judges, João Ferreira, considered that "the likelihood of the defendant having committed the crimes under the indictment was minimal.
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No doubt this one will rumble on with another appeal by the PP........how many times do you have to be declared innocent in Portugal before it can be decreed you are?
 I wonder how many bullet holes were located in the exhumed body of the victim?

Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Brietta on September 30, 2017, 11:52:25 AM
PJ Inspector Ana Saltão acquitted A repeat of the trial ends when she was accused of killing her husband's grandmother. By Lusa | 07:43 Atualizada há 39 minutos

Ler mais em: https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=pt-BR&sp=nmt4&u=http://www.cmjornal.pt/mundo/detalhe/inspetora-da-pj-ana-saltao-conhece-sentenca-do-tribunal-de-coimbra%3Fref%3DHP_Destaque&usg=ALkJrhhXWTI1sIE0MB1ke41eI4waZ6eHxQ

 The inspector of the Judiciary Police Ana Saltão, accused of killing her husband's grandmother in 2012, was this Friday, acquitted of the crime by the Court of Coimbra. The PJ's inspector had already been acquitted in the first instance in 2014, after which she was sentenced to 17 years in prison for the Coimbra Relation, but the Supreme Court rejected the decision and the trial began to be repeated in May, jury. In the final allegations, in July, the Public Prosecutor's Office (MP) requested the maximum sentence - 25 years in prison - for the inspector, considering that there was "economic motivation" to commit the crime, with the prosecutor to maintain that the inspector and husband had a financial situation that, "although balanced and controlled, was not brilliant." Defense lawyer Mónica Quintela reiterated, as she did in the first trial in 2014, that the investigation has no credibility, pointing to several contradictions and shortcomings, and defended the acquittal of her client. The defendant's defense pointed out that there is nothing to show that the five particles detected in the jacket were the result of shots, since the clothing was in contact with the floor of an inspector's office before being analyzed. Ana Salgado, who reaffirmed her innocence during the trial, was accused of being the author of more than 10 shots that killed Filomena Alves, 80, in a residence in Coimbra on the afternoon of November 21, 2012.
The PJ's inspector was initially acquitted in 2014 by a jury court, where the president of the panel of judges, João Ferreira, considered that "the likelihood of the defendant having committed the crimes under the indictment was minimal.
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No doubt this one will rumble on with another appeal by the PP........how many times do you have to be declared innocent in Portugal before it can be decreed you are?
 I wonder how many bullet holes were located in the exhumed body of the victim?

The sentence which caught my eye was ...
"The defendant's defense pointed out that there is nothing to show that the five particles detected in the jacket were the result of shots, since the clothing was in contact with the floor of an inspector's office before being analyzed."
There isn't a fan of the CSI programme who isn't aware that allowing crucial items of evidence to be contaminated by being dropped on the office floor is a big no! no!
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 01, 2017, 08:27:02 PM
This thread has nothing to do with Madeleine Beth McCann,
unless  &%+((£ there is an implication that Maddies room was contaminated by the parents and all their friends 'searching' for an abductor carrying Maddie in her bedroom, before the PJ got a chance to close off the scene, but apart from that bit... nothing.

Unless... &%+((£
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 01, 2017, 08:28:42 PM
This thread has nothing to do with Madeleine Beth McCann,
unless  &%+((£ there is an implication that Maddies room was contaminated by the parents and all their friends 'searching' for an abductor carrying Maddie in her bedroom, before the PJ got a chance to close off the scene, but apart from that bit... nothing.

Unless... &%+((£
We don't often think alike.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: misty on October 01, 2017, 10:11:39 PM
This thread has nothing to do with Madeleine Beth McCann,
unless  &%+((£ there is an implication that Maddies room was contaminated by the parents and all their friends 'searching' for an abductor carrying Maddie in her bedroom, before the PJ got a chance to close off the scene, but apart from that bit... nothing.

Unless... &%+((£

It has everything to do with how the various tiers of court in the Portuguese system cannot agree how to apply their own laws, especially given what happened to Ana at the Appeal Court.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 01, 2017, 10:12:33 PM
It has everything to do with how the various tiers of court in the Portuguese system cannot agree how to apply their own laws, especially given what happened to Ana at the Appeal Court.

Yet nothing t all to do with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Carana on October 02, 2017, 11:48:42 AM
I am assuming the victim's body is being exhumed due to an issue over the original forensics. It will be interesting to watch how this develops.

http://www.asbeiras.pt/2017/04/quintela-desvaloriza-exumacao-do-corpo-de-filomena-goncalves/

Ana Saltão's defense lawyer, Monica Quintela, said yesterday that the exhumation of Filomena Gonçalves's body is "totally useless".
Asked by journalists at the scene, the prosecutor of the Judiciary Police accused of the death of her husband's grandmother said that she "could add" something, "but it will not detract anything from the process." "It will not dictate the fate of the process," he said.
According to Monica Quintela, this diligence will not, for example, clarify "what was the fate of the bullets and, above all, its trajectory". The lawyer was accompanied by Duarte Nuno Vieira, former president of the National Institute of Legal Medicine (INML) and current director of the Faculty of Medicine of the University of Coimbra. The expert was named expert by the defense of Ana Saltão. It should be noted that at the time of the events (November 2012), Duarte Nuno Vieira was the president of INML.
The new examination of the body of Filomena Gonçalves, shot dead in 2012, was requested by the Public Prosecutor's Office and aims to find out if any bullets were left in the remains of the elderly woman. It is because the autopsy performed at that time could not ascertain this situation, since the INML X-ray machine was damaged at that time.

I have absolutely no idea whether this woman is guilty or not, but, just picking up on the part you've highlighted in bold... seriously? Why didn't they keep the body until the machine was fixed?

Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: misty on October 03, 2017, 01:50:19 AM
I have absolutely no idea whether this woman is guilty or not, but, just picking up on the part you've highlighted in bold... seriously? Why didn't they keep the body until the machine was fixed?

The PJ can never be declared guilty of failing to secure a conviction without the required evidence. @)(++(*
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Carana on October 05, 2017, 07:08:36 AM
The sentence which caught my eye was ...
"The defendant's defense pointed out that there is nothing to show that the five particles detected in the jacket were the result of shots, since the clothing was in contact with the floor of an inspector's office before being analyzed."
There isn't a fan of the CSI programme who isn't aware that allowing crucial items of evidence to be contaminated by being dropped on the office floor is a big no! no!

Erm, try the Italian PJ in the Knox case...
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Carana on October 05, 2017, 07:10:20 AM
The PJ can never be declared guilty of failing to secure a conviction without the required evidence. @)(++(*

LOL

Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 05, 2017, 07:42:26 AM
The PJ can never be declared guilty of failing to secure a conviction without the required evidence. @)(++(*

You  mean like SY with Barry George ? 8(0(*
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: misty on October 05, 2017, 12:42:33 PM
You  mean like SY with Barry George ? 8(0(*

As a PJ Inspector, Ana had legitimate access to firearms, as did her husband.
Here is a picture of Barry George posing with an illegal firearm. (sourcehttps://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/01/jilldando.ukcrime2)
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 05, 2017, 12:47:21 PM
As a PJ Inspector, Ana had legitimate access to firearms, as did her husband.
Here is a picture of Barry George posing with an illegal firearm. (sourcehttps://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/01/jilldando.ukcrime2)

Many people have illegal firearms.

The perception is, Barry George should never have gone to trial and your beloved SY ignored key clues. 8**8:/:
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 05, 2017, 01:50:58 PM
He didn't kill Jill Dando.

Besides, how would you stop crimes Misty?

Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: misty on October 05, 2017, 02:10:35 PM
He didn't kill Jill Dando.

Besides, how would you stop crimes Misty?

A first step is to stop being so lenient on those convicted for serious criminal acts & serial offenders.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: misty on October 09, 2017, 07:18:17 PM
There are a few threads on which this article would be appropriate but I will post it here as it was written by Ana's lawyer.

https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.asbeiras.pt/tag/monica-quintela/&prev=search

November 25, 2014 at 09:30
Opinion - Variations on minor justice?
Posted by Opinioniao
Mónica Quintela

It is with concern that I have been watching the media arrests that have taken place lately.

Principles regarded as acquired and absolutely fundamental to a State that wants to be Law and Democratic, are systematically deprecated and violated in favor of obscure objectives that in no way favor or dignify the administration of justice.

The consecrated and fundamental Principle of Presumption of Innocence until final judgment of any Condictionary Decision is dead and buried.

The right to silence that assists any citizen who is constituted defendant and who in no case can never be valued against his own, is objectively distorted. It has been replaced by the popular adages of "Whoever Consents", "Who Should not Fear" and Complaints.

And with these maxims in the paragons of the media, we returned to the trials prior to Sec. XV, in Pelourinhos or Picotas, where criminals were punished and exposed.

Ah! And I forgot! We now also have this extraordinary inquisitorial bonfire, where the good name and character of the people are being burned in a strong fire, making them authentic and ferocious judgments and the new "popular tribunals" in social networks.

It must be said that it was necessary to detain a former prime minister, not a flagrant offense, and - to believe in the massive information with which we have been offered, notwithstanding the alleged secrecy of justice - without any of the assumptions of the according to article 257 of the CPP? And it was necessary that this arrest was of the previous knowledge of a television station that, thus, filmed and transmitted in direct the car that transported the Engineer José Socrates?

And was it necessary for two newspapers to be warned so that they could immediately "camp" at the door of the IPC?

And is it necessary for televisions to film, through the intervals of the curtains, the office where an accused talks to his lawyer, capturing images of them?
And it is legal and admissible that a citizen is detained more than 48H without being heard by a Criminal Investigation Judge, intending that the simple identification of the same makes interrupt or consider fulfilled the provisions in Article 141 of the CPP?

Is it still permissible for eleven citizens to be held for five days, waiting for the Judge to hear and apply coercive measures to all? What if they were 100 defendants ?! The first that were listened to are waiting, detained, of the interrogation of the rest and the rest waiting for the first ?! For how long ?! What subversion of the system are we watching? How to allow this skewed interpretation of one of the main guarantors of citizens' rights, freedoms and guarantees?

Is Justice dignified with this type of action?

And if the citizen José Sócrates or, for example, any of the defendants of the so-called Gold case, want to exercise one of the most basic rights of defense and refer to silence during the first judicial interrogation of defendant detained?

In this case, do the elements of the Inquiry justify a coercive measure depriving freedom? What if they do not justify it? How to justify that arduous arrest?

And will the pressure of the extreme mediatism given to this type of cases allow lawyers to advise their constituents not to make statements if it proves to be procedurally appropriate? Without this being a sentence of guilty?

Lawyers and magistrates use Togas and Scholarships.

Black. Austeras. Compatible with the solemnity and dignity required of those who accuse, defend and judge a citizen.

And this judgment can only take place in the Courts and in total obedience to the Law, never in the public square. The damages to the visas are irreparable. It is of the most elementary common sense to make a sensible and balanced consideration between the necessary action, the duty to inform the citizen and the right to presumption of innocence and, consequently, to the good name of the defendants.

So long as there is no doubt about the actions and the objectives that move them.

The old story of Caesar's wife, you know?

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Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: misty on January 11, 2019, 02:28:33 AM
http://portugalresident.com/pj-inspector-%E2%80%98absolved%E2%80%99-from-17-year-jail-term-for-murder

Posted by PORTUGALPRESS on January 10, 2019
PJ inspector ‘absolved’ from 17-year jail term for murder

In one of the most bizarre murder cases for a long time, a PJ inspector charged and condemned to 17 years in jail for shooting her mother-in-law over 14 times with what was believed to be a police-issue Glock has finally 'walked free’ from the very court that found her guilty three years ago.

Ana Saltão has been in and out of the news since the brutal killing of her 80-year-old mother-in-law in Celas, Coimbra in 2012.

Initially found not guilty by a Coimbra court, the verdict was overturned on appeal, which Saltão’s defence then appealed again to the Supreme Tribunal of Justice.

Ever present was the principle “in dubio pro reo” - doubts favouring the accused.

PJ colleagues in Coimbra were, said tabloid Correio da Manhã, never in any doubt.

Detectives always believed they had their killer, said the paper.

Saltão and her husband, also an inspector with the PJ, were in debt before Filomena Gonçalves was gunned down, and her death “resolved all their financial problems”.

With the Glock - “said to have been stolen from the locker” of one of Saltão’s PJ colleagues in Porto - never recovered, the issue of proof rested on ‘facts’ that Saltão’s jacket showed gunshot residue, and she had a wound to her right hand.

Saltão however maintained the wound was caused by a cooking incident, and it was later argued that the gunshot residue could have resulted from ‘contamination’ from the jacket having been left on the floor in PJ offices.

As to motive, the ‘debt’ held by Saltão and her husband was such that the killer would have to be a sociopath or have a long-running conflict with the deceased to have decided shooting multiple times was the answer.

According to Supreme Tribunal prosecutor Graça Marques the court had to absolve the inspector, due to the “impassable conflict between facts proved” which made her condemnation “unviable”.

Marques ruled there was a “notable error” in the appeal court decision that had accepted as proved that both the defendant and the victim had been facing each other.

A second autopsy on the dead pensioner’s body (exhumed due to all the doubts) showed “there were places where bullets had entered from the side”.
Also there appeared to have been an error in the number of entry wounds initially stated.

The appeals court had ‘accepted’ 14, said CM, while Marques was said to be in possession of reports that detailed “at least 15”.

Marques was also described as believing it was “not possible to determine motive”.

Back in 2016, CM suggested Marques had a “known friendship” with Coimbra magistrate Maria João Barata who initially freed Saltão from five-months preventive custody and was later removed from the case.

The friendship was “causing discomfort within the Public Ministry”, stressed CM - which continued - and continues - to pursue the theory that Saltão ‘did it’.

In the retrial, State prosecutors were asking for a 25 year jail term. But yesterday they heard they will not be getting it, and there is no further basis for another appeal.

Finally, after six years of legal battling, Ana Saltão has been freed from the murder charge that the same court deemed proven back in 2015.

Observador suggests this may not be ‘the end’ to this story.

“The Public Ministry can still appeal”, says the paper, but only to the Constitutional Court - and with two ‘not guilty’ rulings in the past, no one can possibly say what decision might be forthcoming.

In the meantime, the case has to ‘transitar em julgado’ (officially pass through all the channels before this latest decision is ratified).

And of course the question remains, if Ana Saltão didn’t gun down her mother in law all those years ago, then who did?

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It's not over until it's over when the system is gunning for you....imo.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2019, 03:13:14 AM

Who on earth else would want to shoot an 80 year old woman that many times?   Was she a Drug Baron?

But whatever else you do, don't leave your clothing lying around on a PJ Office floor.  It's covered in gun residue.  Who'd a thought it?

Oh,  and always hope for a friend who is a Magistrate.

I have to say that I sometimes wonder why Portugal bothers with a Court of the First Instance.  Unless you are an illiterate Peasant who doesn't know how to defend themselves, and often gets beaten into a confession, which is then illegally produced In Court.

I had hoped for an improvement in The Law in Portugal.  It has to happen one day.  But not just yet it seems.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2019, 08:21:57 AM
http://portugalresident.com/pj-inspector-%E2%80%98absolved%E2%80%99-from-17-year-jail-term-for-murder

Posted by PORTUGALPRESS on January 10, 2019
PJ inspector ‘absolved’ from 17-year jail term for murder

In one of the most bizarre murder cases for a long time, a PJ inspector charged and condemned to 17 years in jail for shooting her mother-in-law over 14 times with what was believed to be a police-issue Glock has finally 'walked free’ from the very court that found her guilty three years ago.

Ana Saltão has been in and out of the news since the brutal killing of her 80-year-old mother-in-law in Celas, Coimbra in 2012.

Initially found not guilty by a Coimbra court, the verdict was overturned on appeal, which Saltão’s defence then appealed again to the Supreme Tribunal of Justice.

Ever present was the principle “in dubio pro reo” - doubts favouring the accused.

PJ colleagues in Coimbra were, said tabloid Correio da Manhã, never in any doubt.

Detectives always believed they had their killer, said the paper.

Saltão and her husband, also an inspector with the PJ, were in debt before Filomena Gonçalves was gunned down, and her death “resolved all their financial problems”.

With the Glock - “said to have been stolen from the locker” of one of Saltão’s PJ colleagues in Porto - never recovered, the issue of proof rested on ‘facts’ that Saltão’s jacket showed gunshot residue, and she had a wound to her right hand.

Saltão however maintained the wound was caused by a cooking incident, and it was later argued that the gunshot residue could have resulted from ‘contamination’ from the jacket having been left on the floor in PJ offices.

As to motive, the ‘debt’ held by Saltão and her husband was such that the killer would have to be a sociopath or have a long-running conflict with the deceased to have decided shooting multiple times was the answer.

According to Supreme Tribunal prosecutor Graça Marques the court had to absolve the inspector, due to the “impassable conflict between facts proved” which made her condemnation “unviable”.

Marques ruled there was a “notable error” in the appeal court decision that had accepted as proved that both the defendant and the victim had been facing each other.

A second autopsy on the dead pensioner’s body (exhumed due to all the doubts) showed “there were places where bullets had entered from the side”.
Also there appeared to have been an error in the number of entry wounds initially stated.

The appeals court had ‘accepted’ 14, said CM, while Marques was said to be in possession of reports that detailed “at least 15”.

Marques was also described as believing it was “not possible to determine motive”.

Back in 2016, CM suggested Marques had a “known friendship” with Coimbra magistrate Maria João Barata who initially freed Saltão from five-months preventive custody and was later removed from the case.

The friendship was “causing discomfort within the Public Ministry”, stressed CM - which continued - and continues - to pursue the theory that Saltão ‘did it’.

In the retrial, State prosecutors were asking for a 25 year jail term. But yesterday they heard they will not be getting it, and there is no further basis for another appeal.

Finally, after six years of legal battling, Ana Saltão has been freed from the murder charge that the same court deemed proven back in 2015.

Observador suggests this may not be ‘the end’ to this story.

“The Public Ministry can still appeal”, says the paper, but only to the Constitutional Court - and with two ‘not guilty’ rulings in the past, no one can possibly say what decision might be forthcoming.

In the meantime, the case has to ‘transitar em julgado’ (officially pass through all the channels before this latest decision is ratified).

And of course the question remains, if Ana Saltão didn’t gun down her mother in law all those years ago, then who did?

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It's not over until it's over when the system is gunning for you....imo.
A question for the Portuguese law experts on the forum.  Has this policewoman now been cleared?
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 11, 2019, 10:36:20 AM
I just hope she hasn't got her job back.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Brietta on January 11, 2019, 11:18:33 AM
I just hope she hasn't got her job back.

Now isn't that an interesting thought!  To which one must say ... why ever not? the Portuguese court has declared her innocent and two appeals against have acquiesced with the court ... therefore she is an innocent woman.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Davel on January 11, 2019, 11:29:12 AM
Now isn't that an interesting thought!  To which one must say ... why ever not? the Portuguese court has declared her innocent and two appeals against have acquiesced with the court ... therefore she is an innocent woman.

Yes... Surely she's proved her innocence
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Montclair on January 11, 2019, 12:00:40 PM
Yes... Surely she's proved her innocence

She did not prove her innocence. She was acquitted on the basis "in dubio pro reo" (in doubt, in favor of the defendant), meaning they ruled in her favor because there was no "beyond a reasonable doubt", as they say in the American crime series. The couple's financial situation certainly improved greatly after the woman's death.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Davel on January 11, 2019, 12:13:28 PM
She did not prove her innocence. She was acquitted on the basis "in dubio pro reo" (in doubt, in favor of the defendant), meaning they ruled in her favor because there was no "beyond a reasonable doubt", as they say in the American crime series. The couple's financial situation certainly improved greatly after the woman's death.

If she hasn't proved her innocence having been acquitted.... How could a reconstruction have proved the mccanns innocent
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: John on January 11, 2019, 12:35:37 PM
She did not prove her innocence. She was acquitted on the basis "in dubio pro reo" (in doubt, in favor of the defendant), meaning they ruled in her favor because there was no "beyond a reasonable doubt", as they say in the American crime series. The couple's financial situation certainly improved greatly after the woman's death.

Correct, she has not been found innocent of involvement.  The Supreme Court found that there was insufficient evidence to convict her.

If forensics tied a police issue pistol to the murder then clearly there are some very difficult questions still to be answered.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Davel on January 11, 2019, 12:37:33 PM
Correct, she has not been found innocent of involvement.  The Supreme Court found that there was insufficient evidence to convict her.

I did understand  that.... So how could the McCann's have proved their innocence when even going to court and being acquitted doesn't prove it
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: John on January 11, 2019, 12:46:06 PM
I did understand  that.... So how could the McCann's have proved their innocence when even going to court and being acquitted doesn't prove it

Cooperating fully with police is always helpful.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Davel on January 11, 2019, 12:48:12 PM
Cooperating fully with police is always helpful.

Does it prove innocence.... Obviously not... The McCann's have been criticised fir not proving their innocence... When in reality it's basically impossible
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Davel on January 11, 2019, 12:53:09 PM
Is this person considered cleared... That's the questionnone of the McCann critics want to answer
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: John on January 11, 2019, 12:55:39 PM
Does it prove innocence.... Obviously not... The McCann's have been criticised fir not proving their innocence... When in reality it's basically impossible

A seasoned detective can usually tell whether a suspect is being deceptive under examination. Refusing to answer straight forward questions is usually an indicator of guilt. It is the detective's job to establish evidence as to what form that guilt might be and whether there is a criminal element to it.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: John on January 11, 2019, 12:56:21 PM
Is this person considered cleared... That's the questionnone of the McCann critics want to answer

She hasn't been cleared, she is still under suspicion.  The PJ will have to reopen the murder enquiry and seek out further evidence.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2019, 01:01:12 PM
Correct, she has not been found innocent of involvement.  The Supreme Court found that there was insufficient evidence to convict her.

If forensics tied a police issue pistol to the murder then clearly there are some very difficult questions still to be answered.

What about all that Gun Residue covering The PJ Office Floors
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Davel on January 11, 2019, 01:07:46 PM
She hasn't been cleared, she is still under suspicion.  The PJ will have to reopen the murder enquiry and seek out further evidence.
She's been found not guilty... So again how can the McCann's be cleared when they've never been charged..

All this not proving innocence us a load of baloney
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2019, 01:09:20 PM
She's been found not guilty... So again how can the McCann's be cleared when they've never been charged..

All this not proving innocence us a load of baloney

It's a bit of a turn up when no matter what happens no one is Innocent.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Davel on January 11, 2019, 02:07:27 PM
She hasn't been cleared, she is still under suspicion.  The PJ will have to reopen the murder enquiry and seek out further evidence.

Can she be tried again... Re double jeapordy
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2019, 05:31:27 PM
So what can this woman do now to “prove her innocence”?
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2019, 05:34:13 PM
It's a bit of a turn up when no matter what happens no one is Innocent.
Perhaps it all stems back to Original Sin.  I once took my kids to some Christian Summer School thing and was quite shocked when the first thing the Happy Clappy School leader told all the young kids assembled before him that they were all sinners.  Bloody hell, that’s a lot to heap on a two year old and a five year old but maybe in Portugal they really believe it.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2019, 06:39:08 PM

I am fascinated by all that Gun Shot Residue all over The PJ Office Floor.  What do they do, have shooting contests?
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 11, 2019, 06:43:47 PM
I am fascinated by all that Gun Shot Residue all over The PJ Office Floor.  What do they do, have shooting contests?
Imagine all the cadaver odour being trampled about in there too.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2019, 06:49:01 PM
Imagine all the cadaver odour being trampled about in there too.

Blood?  No, perhaps best not to go there.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 11, 2019, 11:37:27 PM
What about all that Gun Residue covering The PJ Office Floors
That might be how they solve crime over there.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: misty on January 12, 2019, 01:01:06 AM
It is a puzzle to me how the PJ managed to match the stolen & unrecovered Glock revolver to any bullets/casings found at the crime scene and, furthermore, to Ana Saltao.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 12, 2019, 07:17:56 AM
It is a puzzle to me how the PJ managed to match the stolen & unrecovered Glock revolver to any bullets/casings found at the crime scene and, furthermore, to Ana Saltao.
They is very clever innit.  Don’t question or criticize the PJ’s methods, you’re not an expert and so must just accept that they are always right.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Eleanor on January 12, 2019, 09:05:24 AM
It is a puzzle to me how the PJ managed to match the stolen & unrecovered Glock revolver to any bullets/casings found at the crime scene and, furthermore, to Ana Saltao.

Bullets in The Victim.  The Suspect's Mother in Law.  Oodles of Debt.  The Suspect was a PJ Officer with access to Glocks.

Elementary.  But not Proof, apparently.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: init on January 12, 2019, 02:11:41 PM
So what can this woman do now to “prove her innocence”?

Not be found guilty... Not sure about the law in Portugal, but certainly in the UK, you don't have to prove you are innocent. You are innocent UNTIL proven guilty.

In my opinion it is the same with the McCanns, like it or not they are innocent, until it is proven that they are guilty.

I think the people that keep saying the McCanns have been cleared / aren't being investigated should remember that absence of proof is not proof of absence.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Davel on January 12, 2019, 02:20:51 PM
Not be found guilty... Not sure about the law in Portugal, but certainly in the UK, you don't have to prove you are innocent. You are innocent UNTIL proven guilty.

In my opinion it is the same with the McCanns, like it or not they are innocent, until it is proven that they are guilty.

I think the people that keep saying the McCanns have been cleared / aren't being investigated should remember that absence of proof is not proof of absence.
It's evidence of absence but not proof... As I have posted repeatedly... I think it's fairly certain the McCann's are not being investigated
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: init on January 12, 2019, 02:32:53 PM
It's evidence of absence but not proof... As I have posted repeatedly

Apologies my sentence should actually read the following:


I think the people that keep saying the McCanns have been cleared / aren't being investigated should remember that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I think though Davel, you are suggesting that the absence of evidence is circumstantial evidence, but not on its own proof of absence?

I disagree with this also, it contributes no evidence whatsoever in my view. For example, if someone is shot, but the bullet casing is removed, and the crime scene cleaned up, this absence of evidence isn't therefore evidence that they didn't get shot.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: init on January 12, 2019, 02:34:56 PM
I think it's fairly certain the McCann's are not being investigated

This could well be true, still no reflection of guilt or innocence to the crime. Only evidence of a good or bad investigation. Depending on your viewpoint
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Davel on January 12, 2019, 02:36:51 PM
This could well be true, still no reflection of guilt or innocence to the crime. Only evidence of a good or bad investigation. Depending on your viewpoint

The fact that neither police force is investigating them.. Is evidence of their innocence... There is lots of evidencevof their innocence.... But proving innocence can be impossible
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Davel on January 12, 2019, 02:40:45 PM
Apologies my sentence should actually read the following:


I think the people that keep saying the McCanns have been cleared / aren't being investigated should remember that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I think though Davel, you are suggesting that the absence of evidence is circumstantial evidence, but not on its own proof of absence?

I disagree with this also, it contributes no evidence whatsoever in my view. For example, if someone is shot, but the bullet casing is removed, and the crime scene cleaned up, this absence of evidence isn't therefore evidence that they didn't get shot.

No evidence against someone would suggest  they are innocent and is therefore evidence of innocence....

It's evidence no one was shot but not proof
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: init on January 12, 2019, 02:47:21 PM
The fact that neither police force is investigating them.. Is evidence of their innocence... There is lots of evidencevof their innocence.... But proving innocence can be impossible

Proving innocence beyond all reasonable doubt is nearly impossible, i completely agree. Which is why in the UK we have the system that we have. The only way you can do this, is if you have a watertight alibi, that shows you to be in a different place at the same time. IMO nothing about the case is watertight.

Also, neither police force investigating them only proves that at this time, neither police force is investigating them. Thats it, that is all it proves.

Until the Police forces find somebody guilty, beyond all reasonable doubt. Then there will always be a lack of proof in this case to prove who committed what crimes, and who didn't commit any...
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Davel on January 12, 2019, 02:50:08 PM
Proving innocence beyond all reasonable doubt is nearly impossible, i completely agree. Which is why in the UK we have the system that we have. The only way you can do this, is if you have a watertight alibi, that shows you to be in a different place at the same time. IMO nothing about the case is watertight.

Also, neither police force investigating them only proves that at this time, neither police force is investigating them. Thats it, that is all it proves.

Until the Police forces find somebody guilty, beyond all reasonable doubt. Then there will always be a lack of proof in this case to prove who committed what crimes, and who didn't commit any...
You are now talking about lack of proof.... I haven't said there's proof... Proof and evidence are different..
There is no proof of the McCann's innocence but there is evidence..

Even if someone  was found guilty it would not necessarily prove the McCann's innocence
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: init on January 12, 2019, 02:52:04 PM
No evidence against someone would suggest  they are innocent and is therefore evidence of innocence....

It's evidence no one was shot but not proof

I think that is a flawed viewpoint. No evidence that a particular person commited a crime, is not evidence that that person didn't commit the crime. Evidence that that person could not have commited the crime, for example because said person has no arms and couldn't pull the trigger, or that CCTV footage places that person 300 miles away at the time of the incident... That is evidence, that that person didn't commit the crime.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Davel on January 12, 2019, 02:53:34 PM
I think that is a flawed viewpoint. No evidence that a particular person commited a crime, is not evidence that that person didn't commit the crime. Evidence that that person could not have commited the crime, for example because said person has no arms and couldn't pull the trigger, or that CCTV footage places that person 300 miles away at the time of the incident... That is evidence, that that person didn't commit the crime.

No... That's proof that the person didn't commit the crime...
It's not me whose viewpoint is flawed
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: init on January 12, 2019, 03:10:49 PM
No... That's proof that the person didn't commit the crime...
It's not me whose viewpoint is flawed

No, on it's own it is evidence.

In my opinion, in this complex real world, you can only prove a theory, that is made up of pieces of evidence.

Evidence = evidence
Proof = The theory which ties together multiple bits of evidence.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Davel on January 12, 2019, 03:11:44 PM
Perhaps this explains it better... Based on the evidence..   I don't believe in ghosts... The lack of evidence is evidence against their existence... But it is not proof..
So lack of evidence IS evidence if absence
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Davel on January 12, 2019, 03:18:21 PM
No, on it's own it is evidence.

In my opinion, in this complex real world, you can only prove a theory, that is made up of pieces of evidence.

Evidence = evidence
Proof = The theory which ties together multiple bits of evidence.

If evidence proves something it is proof... So evidence can be proof.... Or evidence may not be proof
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: init on January 12, 2019, 03:46:33 PM
Perhaps this explains it better... Based on the evidence..   I don't believe in ghosts... The lack of evidence is evidence against their existence... But it is not proof..
So lack of evidence IS evidence if absence

But independant people claim to have seen ghosts, so there is evidence that ghosts exist. You have just concluded that on it's own this evidence is not proof of the existance.

Which is why on its own a single peice of evidence, in the real world, doesnt provide proof one way or the other. Even DNA evidence has to be supported with other evidence.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Davel on January 12, 2019, 03:54:00 PM
But independant people claim to have seen ghosts, so there is evidence that ghosts exist. You have just concluded that on it's own this evidence is not proof of the existance.

Which is why on its own a single peice of evidence, in the real world, doesnt provide proof one way or the other. Even DNA evidence has to be supported with other evidence.

ive never said its proof of anything...you constantly change from evidence to proof..

what im saying is I dont beleive in ghosts due to lack of evidence...the lack of evidence sugggests they dont exist...that is fact not opinion..

and i dont believe the mccanns are being investigated because of lack of evidence..

dna on its own can provide proof

Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: init on January 12, 2019, 04:25:15 PM
ive never said its proof of anything...you constantly change from evidence to proof..

what im saying is I dont beleive in ghosts due to lack of evidence...the lack of evidence sugggests they dont exist...that is fact not opinion..

and i dont believe the mccanns are being investigated because of lack of evidence..

dna on its own can provide proof

I didn't say that you did... I said, "You have just concluded that on it's own this evidence is not proof of the existance". Notice that i said, this evidence alone is NOT proof of the existince in your opinion. Not that it is proof of non-existance.

And yes the lack of evidence does suggest either, they don't exist or they are good at covering their tracks.

Your view in the ghost example, is exactly the point i am making in the McCann example. But only the way you have just written it (i.e. suggests they do not exist, and not "is evidence they do not exist)
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Davel on January 12, 2019, 04:32:17 PM
I didn't say that you did... I said, "You have just concluded that on it's own this evidence is not proof of the existance". Notice that i said, this evidence alone is NOT proof of the existince in your opinion. Not that it is proof of non-existance.

And yes the lack of evidence does suggest either, they don't exist or they are good at covering their tracks.

Your view in the ghost example, is exactly the point i am making in the McCann example. But only the way you have just written it (i.e. suggests they do not exist, and not "is evidence they do not exist)

Victor Stenger
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Physicist, PhD, bestselling author
Absence of Evidence Is Evidence of Absence
08/14/2010 11:05 am ET Updated Dec 06, 2017
Even the most pious believer has to admit that there is no scientific evidence for God or anything else supernatural. If there were, it would be in the textbooks along with the evidence for electricity, gravity, neutrinos, and DNA. This doesn’t bother most believers because they have heard many times that “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”

However, just repeating a statement over and over again does not make it true. I can think of many cases where absence of evidence provides robust evidence of absence. The key question is whether evidence should exist but does not. Elephants have never been seen roaming Yellowstone National Park. If they were, they would not have escaped notice. No matter how secretive, the presence of such huge animals would have been marked by ample physical signs — droppings, crushed vegetation, bones of dead elephants. So we can safely conclude from the absence of evidence that elephants are absent from the park.


www.huffingtonpost.com/victor-stenger/the-evidence-against-god_b_682169.html?guccounter=1
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 12, 2019, 05:44:16 PM
Apologies my sentence should actually read the following:


I think the people that keep saying the McCanns have been cleared / aren't being investigated should remember that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I think though Davel, you are suggesting that the absence of evidence is circumstantial evidence, but not on its own proof of absence?

I disagree with this also, it contributes no evidence whatsoever in my view. For example, if someone is shot, but the bullet casing is removed, and the crime scene cleaned up, this absence of evidence isn't therefore evidence that they didn't get shot.
Prolly the great big hole in their body is evidence though innit Init?
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 12, 2019, 05:53:50 PM
Not be found guilty... Not sure about the law in Portugal, but certainly in the UK, you don't have to prove you are innocent. You are innocent UNTIL proven guilty.

In my opinion it is the same with the McCanns, like it or not they are innocent, until it is proven that they are guilty.

I think the people that keep saying the McCanns have been cleared / aren't being investigated should remember that absence of proof is not proof of absence.
I guess then that Murat is still in the frame by your logic.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 12, 2019, 08:44:16 PM
Who on earth else would want to shoot an 80 year old woman that many times?   Was she a Drug Baron?

But whatever else you do, don't leave your clothing lying around on a PJ Office floor.  It's covered in gun residue.  Who'd a thought it?

Oh,  and always hope for a friend who is a Magistrate.

I have to say that I sometimes wonder why Portugal bothers with a Court of the First Instance.  Unless you are an illiterate Peasant who doesn't know how to defend themselves, and often gets beaten into a confession, which is then illegally produced In Court.

I had hoped for an improvement in The Law in Portugal.  It has to happen one day.  But not just yet it seems.
Shooting someone 15 times makes it sound like the crime was personal.  What real different should it make if there was 14 entry wounds or at least 15?
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: misty on January 12, 2019, 09:37:37 PM
https://expresso.pt/sociedade/2014-09-09-Por-que-motivo-foi-absolvida-a-inspetora-da-PJ-acusada-de-matar-a-avo-do-marido--1#gs.irSB8vZz

09.09.2014 at 20h38

GOOGLE TRANSLATION.

More than 80% of people facing trial are sentenced. Inspector Ana Saltão is one of the exceptions. Even if the court has not been convinced of his innocence.
Rui Gustavo
RUI GUSTAVO
As soon as they found the corpse of Filomena Gonçalves, the inspectors of the homicide brigade of the PJ of Coimbra classified the case as grade 4 - classification given when the suspect is an element of the PJ itself or a prominent public figure. That is, from the first moment that Inspector Ana Saltão is the only suspect to have killed with 14 shots the grandmother of the husband to be able to benefit from a possible inheritance or to not have to pay a loan of 1500 euros.

Ana Saltão was suspected because Filomena Gonçalves, who was 80 years old and some money used for the exploration and sale of a butcher's shop, was killed with 14 bullets compatible with those fired by the PJ's weapons. And 15 days before the homicide, the weapon of service of a colleague of Ana Saltão disappeared of the mobile where it was kept.

Thus, for the PJ, Ana Saltão, who was on sick leave because of an operation and taking antidepressants, stole her colleague's gun and killed her husband's grandmother. The court of Coimbra did not believe this thesis. At least totally.

 Psychopath, who?
The killer fired 14 shots. And the deconstruction of the prosecution begins with this fact: according to an expert heard in court, only a psychopath or someone with old problems to deal with the victim could shoot so many shots, already with the dead and prostrate victim on the ground.

For the court, it is obvious that Ana Saltão is not a psychopath because she passed PJ's psycho-technical tests and because she raised money for a colleague who had cancer, she soon worried about others. And since she only married in 2007 and the crime was in November 2012, she could not have old issues with a person she had only recently met and with whom she had a scarce relationship.

Kill for what?
Ana Saltão and her husband, also inspector of the PJ, lived with relative difficulty. The money was bad enough to pay all bills, had debts with credit cards and had to borrow money from the victim: 1500 euros they were paying every month. For the prosecution, Ana Saltão killed not only to not have to pay the debt but also to be able to benefit from an inheritance through the husband. It is not credible for the court to kill someone just for the sake of receiving money (the heirs of the victim were the children, not the grandchild) and the economic situation of the couple was not so serious as to justify such an extreme solution.

Proof contaminated
One of the strongest evidence of the accusation was a coat of Ana Saltão with traces of gunpowder. The garment was handed over to the colleagues on suspicion and was thrown to the floor of a PJ do Porto office, where it was stored before being subjected to analysis. In addition to criticizing this "inexplicable" procedure, the court finds that the coat may have been contaminated.

When it was stopped, Ana Saltão had a wound in the right hand, that used to shoot, and that, according to the PJ, has tried to hide. But the court also does not accept this clue as evidence. An expert said in court that the injury could result from a series of shots, but also from a burn, thus confirming the version of Ana Saltão, who said she had burned herself in the kitchen.

From Maia to Coimbra, two hours away
On the day of the homicide, Ana Salão was at home recovering from a relatively serious operation that prevented her from walking normally. She was spotted by a neighbor after two-thirty in the afternoon to see the mail. He was in his pajamas and his coat. Filomena was killed before five in the afternoon. The court did the math and concluded that between the victim's house in Coimbra and that of the suspect in Maia, it would be more than two hours by car and that it would be very difficult for the defendant to get dressed, to get in the car and cover the distance in such a short time. The neighbor's testimony was not sent by the PJ to the criminal investigation judge who ordered six months of preventive custody for Ana Saltão.

Stolen weapon?
The murder weapon was not found by the PJ, who deduced that it was the 9mm Glock that disappeared from the wardrobe of inspector Liliana Vasconcelos, colleague of Ana Saltão. The gun was in a locked drawer and the court came to the conclusion that, without a key, the furniture could only be opened if it were turned upside down and with a few strokes in the drawer. Something that a person alone could hardly do without help. Soon, the court could not convince herself that it was Ana Saltão who stole the weapon, or that it had actually been stolen and used to kill Filomena Gonçalves.

On the day of the crime, Ana Saltão hung up the phone and, according to the accusation, was not detected in Coimbra. "Would not it have been simpler to keep him at home and not answer the calls?"

With all doubts, it was not enough for the Court to find guilty, but it is also insufficient to declare it innocent. And, in doubt, he acquitted her. 

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Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: misty on January 12, 2019, 09:47:27 PM
Report of retrial in 2017.

POLICE CASES
REPEAT TRIAL OF PJ INSPECTOR
Some errors in the investigation were recognized in the new trial of Ana Saltão. A witness (the niece!) Will be heard for the first time, arrested for drug trafficking.
Hernâni Carvalho
JUNE 11, 2017


DR

Wednesday, May 31, is heard at the trial of Inspector Ana Saltão a witness never heard, neither in the previous investigation nor in the previous trial. It is a niece by affinity of the mortal victim. Graça was a telephone operator at the Coimbra Prison, where he earned about 600 euros per month. A thing that, in the words of a source close to the investigation, would not reach the expenses and dependencies ...

Traffic jam
It is said that Grace's relations with the victim would not be the best, despite being the niece of the victim's widower. Oddly enough, the widower himself never wanted to speak about her, not even his family. Hearing it, and knowing for example if he asked the victim for money and in what ways, is what the PJ inspector 's Defense intends to investigate, something that he had never done before. It is public knowledge that this niece, telephone operator, is arrested for drug trafficking and links to various networks, as reported in the "Jornal de Notícias" of April 14, 2014.

Mistakes in the chain of custody
Throughout this week's hearings, some statements by the head of the investigation came as a surprise. As for the clothes seized from Ana Saltão was treated in the police, Inspector Jose Cardoso told the court that, in fact, the clothes were directly placed on the floor and that this was a mistake and a procedure that escaped normalcy. He acknowledged that he had not put anything on the floor under his clothes and stated that no specialist was present at the time. He also told the court that he does not normally do such things. Regarding the result of the examination and contact with the laboratory, the same inspector admitted that the date was wrong. "I do not remember", "I can not need" were expressions used in some moments of tension with the defense. The pictures taken of the clothes lying on the floor of the brigade were to reveal other material on the floor like sacks, some dirt and even the toe tips of someone who will have taken the pictures. The chain of evidence custody will be compromised, or shaken ...

Confusion in monies and antennae
In the financial assessment made to the accounts of Ana Saltão and husband, nothing was recorded in the records regarding the money of the daughter of the couple. About five thousand euros. This information never came to the test. From reports of the location of antennas (Ana Salão's cell phone) there was also confusion found in the court. CBR: what for some meant off, for others, that is Coimbra.

Fax
The fact that a witness had assured PJ of having seen Ana Salgadoo at the probable hour of the victim's death at Externato Pimpolho, tens of kilometers away from the place and the time of the murder, was late for the judge to know. inspector in custody. "I do not remember" or "I do not know" were expressions used by the person in charge of the investigation. A fax with ten pages but only six were issued in good time.


Holes 14 ≠ 15 + 2 + 1
As for the number of shots entering the victim's body, a number was finally almost concordant ... Prof. Rosa Gouveia, author of the histopathological report, said that the victim has 15 orifices of firing. The prof. dr. Agostinho Santos, from INMLCF do Porto, a specialist in forensic tanatology and in firearms, appointed as technical consultant by the Public Prosecution Service, also confirmed to the court that 15 and the INMLCF Board of Governors, presided over by prof. dr. Corte Real, issued an opinion classifying hole number 3 as the entrance. We have, therefore, 15 entrance holes, assumed by three different and autonomous entities. The only specialist who claims to be 14 is Dr. Beatriz Santos, author of the first autopsy. This specialist took half a year to prepare the report (April 2013), but at the end of April, in two days, the expert knew how to clarify the PJ of Coimbra about unclassified holes, even without the corpse ... One of these holes was precisely No 3, rated 2/5/2013 as the exit orifice and now given as having been input.

New accounts
With this new count we have 15 entrance holes, two more shots on the windows and one on the balcony. It seems that the argument of the 14 ammunitions of the missing weapon in the PJ of Porto has fallen by land. That is, it may have been the same gun that fired the ammunition, with one or two shippers. Or even have been more than one shooter.

Death without robbery
According to the investigation, Filomena Gonçalves was found dead on November 21, 2012 around 10:00 p.m. The house was without signs of break-in on the doors and windows, without any interior scruff, the victim had his gold and in the kitchen were found other values. The absence of evidence of assault led the PJ to suspect someone close or even familiar to the victim. As it comes in the manuals.

keys
Of the various sets of keys, the neighbor of the front had one, the daughter of the victim had had a game that remains missing, the sister of the victim had another and the son of the victim another still. The keys were not in the door. That was what was said this week on trial. To SIC, also this week, a neighbor assured that part of the key was inside the lock that day ...

Unknown author
With the building under construction, the shots heard that day will have been confused by neighbors. No one knows who shot Filomena Gonçalves. But one realizes that whoever did it was able to enter and leave, leaving everything as it was. Less the life of the lady.

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The translation is not the best but important issues regarding the gunpowder residue seem clear.
I have also read at another source the victim had lunch that day with her daughter Rosa + husband & they were the last known people to see her before the killer struck.
It's hard to understand any financial motive on Ana's part re. a loan of a couple of thousand Euros. Furthermore, as Ana's husband Carlos was not the immediate heir to his grandmother, killing for inherited finance seems improbable.
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: Davel on January 12, 2019, 09:49:21 PM
https://expresso.pt/sociedade/2014-09-09-Por-que-motivo-foi-absolvida-a-inspetora-da-PJ-acusada-de-matar-a-avo-do-marido--1#gs.irSB8vZz

09.09.2014 at 20h38

GOOGLE TRANSLATION.

More than 80% of people facing trial are sentenced. Inspector Ana Saltão is one of the exceptions. Even if the court has not been convinced of his innocence.
Rui Gustavo
RUI GUSTAVO
As soon as they found the corpse of Filomena Gonçalves, the inspectors of the homicide brigade of the PJ of Coimbra classified the case as grade 4 - classification given when the suspect is an element of the PJ itself or a prominent public figure. That is, from the first moment that Inspector Ana Saltão is the only suspect to have killed with 14 shots the grandmother of the husband to be able to benefit from a possible inheritance or to not have to pay a loan of 1500 euros.

Ana Saltão was suspected because Filomena Gonçalves, who was 80 years old and some money used for the exploration and sale of a butcher's shop, was killed with 14 bullets compatible with those fired by the PJ's weapons. And 15 days before the homicide, the weapon of service of a colleague of Ana Saltão disappeared of the mobile where it was kept.

Thus, for the PJ, Ana Saltão, who was on sick leave because of an operation and taking antidepressants, stole her colleague's gun and killed her husband's grandmother. The court of Coimbra did not believe this thesis. At least totally.

 Psychopath, who?
The killer fired 14 shots. And the deconstruction of the prosecution begins with this fact: according to an expert heard in court, only a psychopath or someone with old problems to deal with the victim could shoot so many shots, already with the dead and prostrate victim on the ground.

For the court, it is obvious that Ana Saltão is not a psychopath because she passed PJ's psycho-technical tests and because she raised money for a colleague who had cancer, she soon worried about others. And since she only married in 2007 and the crime was in November 2012, she could not have old issues with a person she had only recently met and with whom she had a scarce relationship.

Kill for what?
Ana Saltão and her husband, also inspector of the PJ, lived with relative difficulty. The money was bad enough to pay all bills, had debts with credit cards and had to borrow money from the victim: 1500 euros they were paying every month. For the prosecution, Ana Saltão killed not only to not have to pay the debt but also to be able to benefit from an inheritance through the husband. It is not credible for the court to kill someone just for the sake of receiving money (the heirs of the victim were the children, not the grandchild) and the economic situation of the couple was not so serious as to justify such an extreme solution.

Proof contaminated
One of the strongest evidence of the accusation was a coat of Ana Saltão with traces of gunpowder. The garment was handed over to the colleagues on suspicion and was thrown to the floor of a PJ do Porto office, where it was stored before being subjected to analysis. In addition to criticizing this "inexplicable" procedure, the court finds that the coat may have been contaminated.

When it was stopped, Ana Saltão had a wound in the right hand, that used to shoot, and that, according to the PJ, has tried to hide. But the court also does not accept this clue as evidence. An expert said in court that the injury could result from a series of shots, but also from a burn, thus confirming the version of Ana Saltão, who said she had burned herself in the kitchen.

From Maia to Coimbra, two hours away
On the day of the homicide, Ana Salão was at home recovering from a relatively serious operation that prevented her from walking normally. She was spotted by a neighbor after two-thirty in the afternoon to see the mail. He was in his pajamas and his coat. Filomena was killed before five in the afternoon. The court did the math and concluded that between the victim's house in Coimbra and that of the suspect in Maia, it would be more than two hours by car and that it would be very difficult for the defendant to get dressed, to get in the car and cover the distance in such a short time. The neighbor's testimony was not sent by the PJ to the criminal investigation judge who ordered six months of preventive custody for Ana Saltão.

Stolen weapon?
The murder weapon was not found by the PJ, who deduced that it was the 9mm Glock that disappeared from the wardrobe of inspector Liliana Vasconcelos, colleague of Ana Saltão. The gun was in a locked drawer and the court came to the conclusion that, without a key, the furniture could only be opened if it were turned upside down and with a few strokes in the drawer. Something that a person alone could hardly do without help. Soon, the court could not convince herself that it was Ana Saltão who stole the weapon, or that it had actually been stolen and used to kill Filomena Gonçalves.

On the day of the crime, Ana Saltão hung up the phone and, according to the accusation, was not detected in Coimbra. "Would not it have been simpler to keep him at home and not answer the calls?"

With all doubts, it was not enough for the Court to find guilty, but it is also insufficient to declare it innocent. And, in doubt, he acquitted her. 

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Sounds like the court felt there eas an absence of evidence... LOL
Title: Re: PJ Inspector Ana Saltão convicted of murder following Appeal Court decision.
Post by: misty on January 12, 2019, 10:10:31 PM
Sounds like the court felt there eas an absence of evidence... LOL

I guess that's what happens when someone tries to manipulate any evidence to fit an improbable thesis. Readiing between the lines (maybe wrongly) it does seem Ana was purposely targeted in a personal vendetta. IMO.