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UK and North American politics. => A look at British politics in the light of the decision to leave the EU. => Topic started by: John on June 24, 2016, 05:55:49 AM

Title: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 05:55:49 AM
'This is our independence day!' Britain delivers stunning Leave vote in EU referendum as Nigel Farage hails a 'victory for ordinary people'

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3657160/Britain-brink-EU-referendum-result-knife-edge-Leave-scores-HUGE-victory-Sunderland-outperforms-predictions-Swansea-Remain-pins-hopes-London.html

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Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: scipio_usmc on June 24, 2016, 06:07:52 AM
374/382 16.85 million leave, 15.7 million stay
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 24, 2016, 06:36:24 AM
Well I freely admit I didn't see that coming. I thought it would be close, but I didn't think that we would vote for brexit.

But here we a re, the democratic decision has been made and we need to move on and see how to make the absolute best of it.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 24, 2016, 07:32:24 AM
I was surprised to learn this morning that if Scotland and London had cast enough votes for remain the rest of the UK's votes would have been immaterial.

Does this make Cameron's position untenable? Should he resign? Will there be a leadership challenge?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 24, 2016, 08:43:17 AM
i'm all for brexit as the Eu is on a self destruct course......however voting out is one thing and getting out is another.
Around two thirds of MPs support remain and they are teh ones who are going to have to vote for the laws for the exit
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 24, 2016, 08:46:21 AM
I was surprised to learn this morning that if Scotland and London had cast enough votes for remain the rest of the UK's votes would have been immaterial.

Does this make Cameron's position untenable? Should he resign? Will there be a leadership challenge?

Cameron quits!  Thank the almighty... or rather all the passionate Brits who saw sense!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3657160/Britain-brink-EU-referendum-result-knife-edge-Leave-scores-HUGE-victory-Sunderland-outperforms-predictions-Swansea-Remain-pins-hopes-London.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3657160/Britain-brink-EU-referendum-result-knife-edge-Leave-scores-HUGE-victory-Sunderland-outperforms-predictions-Swansea-Remain-pins-hopes-London.html)
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 08:49:13 AM
I was surprised to learn this morning that if Scotland and London had cast enough votes for remain the rest of the UK's votes would have been immaterial.

Does this make Cameron's position untenable? Should he resign? Will there be a leadership challenge?

Well he just has.

I did expect Brexit to win, as I have posted, but I thought it would have been even closer. It is a shame that all eligible voters did not make their mark yesterday.

A campaign largely fought on fear of Immigration.

Well for those who voted out, you have no one to blame but yourselves if it turns sour.


P.S. Cameron had to go. His position was untenable. Now the fight for power will start. Likewise, the majority of M.P.'s were for remain. Interesting times ahead.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 24, 2016, 09:05:35 AM
Cameron promised to begin the process of leaving immediately if the vote was to leave. By resigning he has managed to delay that until after October. Interesting! Is that why he had to go?


Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 09:13:28 AM
Cameron promised to begin the process of leaving immediately if the vote was to leave. By resigning he has managed to delay that until after October. Interesting! Is that why he had to go?

I think G-Unit he passed the buck to his successor, as he was not prepared to be the P.M. to trigger Article 50, which he knows will have it's consequences.

From the 'Sun'

'More than £100 billion was wiped off the FTSE 100 as the index fell more than 7%, while the pound also crashed 8% against the US dollar.'

Just the beginning.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 24, 2016, 09:26:25 AM
Brexit won because every vote counted. In General Elections they don't. Perhaps we would have very different governments if our General Elections were more reflective of majority votes, rather than majority constituencies.

General Election: Votes v Seats

Green 1.2M votes, 1 seat

Ukip 3.8M votes, 1 seat.

Lib Dems 2.4M votes, eight seats.

SNP 1.5M votes, 56 seats.

Labour 9.2M votes, 229 seats

Conservatives 11.M votes 325 seats
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 24, 2016, 09:32:08 AM
I think G-Unit he passed the buck to his successor, as he was not prepared to be the P.M. to trigger Article 50, which he knows will have it's consequences.

From the 'Sun'

'More than £100 billion was wiped off the FTSE 100 as the index fell more than 7%, while the pound also crashed 8% against the US dollar.'

Just the beginning.

As Norman Tebbit just pointed out, the remain campaign insisted it would happen so it's hardly surprising the markets reacted in that way. They are now recovering.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2016, 09:38:10 AM
The tollerant & peace loving leftist remain supporters are showing their true violent colours outside Boris Johnsons home.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 09:45:40 AM
The tollerant & peace loving leftist remain supporters are showing their true violent colours outside Boris Johnsons home.

Well, I just saw that too.

Perhaps Boris and his cronies, shouldn't have told all the lies they did in the prelude to the referendum.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 24, 2016, 09:48:17 AM
I see Boris and Michael are now making havering noises to the effect of "let's not be too precipitate in "triggering" Article 50".
Come a gain?. They were the ones in an all fired hurry to get out................... &%+((£
With call me Dave resigning B & M really do have the slippery end of the stick now.
Wait for the " well we only did it to put ourselves in a better negotiating position to stay in".
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 24, 2016, 09:49:01 AM
The tollerant & peace loving leftist remain supporters are showing their true violent colours outside Boris Johnsons home.

Is that who they are? He couldn't speak, could he?

The irony is that the EU must reform or face more exits. They should have listened earlier perhaps. The oldest democracy in the world [us] have said they will not be ruled by unelected bureaucrats.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 24, 2016, 09:51:01 AM
cameron said he would trigger article 50 immediately....whoever takes over has made no such promise
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2016, 09:53:43 AM
Well, I just saw that too.

Perhaps Boris and his cronies, shouldn't have told all the lies they did in the prelude to the referendum.

I've wanted out since about 1994, I doubt I'm the only one who made their mind up long before the electioneering began.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 24, 2016, 09:58:23 AM
cameron said he would trigger article 50 immediately....whoever takes over has made no such promise

Which is why he had to go.

The person in the best position is the one who started it all; Farage. He can trot about going 'Hurrah!, he can criticise those who delay/negotiate and continue to cause problems without having to actually do anything concrete.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 09:59:39 AM
i'm all for brexit as the Eu is on a self destruct course......however voting out is one thing and getting out is another.
Around two thirds of MPs support remain and they are teh ones who are going to have to vote for the laws for the exit

All the more reason why we should have a general election as soon as possible.  We need MP's and a government in office who can represent the peoples best interests going forward.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 24, 2016, 10:08:46 AM
All the more reason why we should have a general election as soon as possible.  We need MP's and a government in office who can represent the peoples best interests going forward.
absolutely agree...we need stability asap...and we need MPs who are going to carry out the wishes of the people.
The problem then is that MPs will be elected on a constituency basis may not represent the views of the country as a whole
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 10:10:23 AM
All the more reason why we should have a general election as soon as possible.  We need MP's and a government in office who can represent the peoples best interests going forward.

Whose best interests would that be ?

Some have suggested Theresa May as a new PM, as the alternatives such as Gove and Johnson would be derided.

It is clear Labour voters who voted for leaving en masse , could be viewed as the Turkeys voting for Christmas, once they realize that EU laws protecting their employment rights will be removed.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2016, 10:27:33 AM
Stewart Lee on UKIP.

It's an old clip, but one of my favourites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HMhWB95ldQ

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 24, 2016, 10:33:47 AM
Whose best interests would that be ?

Some have suggested Theresa May as a new PM, as the alternatives such as Gove and Johnson would be derided.

It is clear Labour voters who voted for leaving en masse , could be viewed as the Turkeys voting for Christmas, once they realize that EU laws protecting their employment rights will be removed.
you are very insulting to labour voters
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 10:43:53 AM
you are very insulting to labour voters

That is a matter of opinion,as that is a well worn expression.

In my view, people have been conned by the Cons in the referendum, and I really have very little sympathy for them.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 10:44:28 AM
I think G-Unit he passed the buck to his successor, as he was not prepared to be the P.M. to trigger Article 50, which he knows will have it's consequences.

From the 'Sun'

'More than £100 billion was wiped off the FTSE 100 as the index fell more than 7%, while the pound also crashed 8% against the US dollar.'

Just the beginning.

A great opportunity to pick up some cheap stocks.   8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 10:46:56 AM
Brexit won because every vote counted. In General Elections they don't. Perhaps we would have very different governments if our General Elections were more reflective of majority votes, rather than majority constituencies.

General Election: Votes v Seats

Green 1.2M votes, 1 seat

Ukip 3.8M votes, 1 seat.

Lib Dems 2.4M votes, eight seats.

SNP 1.5M votes, 56 seats.

Labour 9.2M votes, 229 seats

Conservatives 11.M votes 325 seats

If you take out every voter who don't even live in the UK and the nationalists with their own agenda in N Ireland and Scotland then the victory is even more sweeter.  Farage thought he had lost as did Johnson even before the first vote was counted.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 10:54:00 AM
It is an irony now that the chief leaders of Brexit will have to live up to their promises.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 10:56:57 AM
 ?>)()<
Whose best interests would that be ?

Some have suggested Theresa May as a new PM, as the alternatives such as Gove and Johnson would be derided.

It is clear Labour voters who voted for leaving en masse , could be viewed as the Turkeys voting for Christmas, once they realize that EU laws protecting their employment rights will be removed.

Not at all Stephen.  Jeremy Corbin should resign too now if he has any sense.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 24, 2016, 10:57:21 AM
That is a matter of opinion,as that is a well worn expression.

In my view, people have been conned by the Cons in the referendum, and I really have very little sympathy for them.

others will say they have made the right decision to protect their future and their childrens future
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2016, 11:00:13 AM
Brexit: Petition for second EU referendum so popular the government site's crashing

It cites the result as too close given the turnout



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-petition-for-second-eu-referendum-so-popular-the-government-sites-crashing-a7099996.html

Please can we move the goal posts, it's not fair, I want my mummy  8)><( 8)><(
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 11:05:45 AM
others will say they have made the right decision to protect their future and their childrens future

Tell me dave, do you want fair and enforceable employment rights for your children ?

Or are you content to have all the EU ones removed, so that employers can rule the roost ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 11:07:56 AM
?>)()<
Not at all Stephen.  Jeremy Corbin should resign too now if he has any sense.

It is eminently clear that Corbin did not support the stay in campaign.

After all he voted against it before, and was only moderately giving half hearted support, because of the position of most Labour M.P.'s.

There are already calls for a new Labour leader though.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 24, 2016, 11:19:01 AM
Whose best interests would that be ?

Some have suggested Theresa May as a new PM, as the alternatives such as Gove and Johnson would be derided.

It is clear Labour voters who voted for leaving en masse , could be viewed as the Turkeys voting for Christmas, once they realize that EU laws protecting their employment rights will be removed.


Why are you assuming that all those who vote Labour are in need of employment laws to protect them?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 11:21:06 AM


Why are you assuming that all those who vote Labour are in need of employment laws to protect them?

It is a generalization G-Unit.

Surely you are in favour of employees having rights in work. 8)-)))
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 24, 2016, 11:26:46 AM
Brexit: Petition for second EU referendum so popular the government site's crashing

It cites the result as too close given the turnout



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-petition-for-second-eu-referendum-so-popular-the-government-sites-crashing-a7099996.html

Please can we move the goal posts, it's not fair, I want my mummy  8)><( 8)><(
8((()*/ @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 24, 2016, 11:34:15 AM
Tell me dave, do you want fair and enforceable employment rights for your children ?

Or are you content to have all the EU ones removed, so that employers can rule the roost ?

I want to see jobs for my children ...and the country not over run by eastern europeans who will drive wages down..
I want businesses to stay in the UK...not relocate to eastern europe where expenses are cheaper
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 24, 2016, 11:40:44 AM
G' Morning Little Britain

? Soon to become little England as Scotland and maybe N Ireland leave us ?



I hope that I am wrong
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 24, 2016, 11:46:00 AM
It is a generalization G-Unit.

Surely you are in favour of employees having rights in work. 8)-)))

Rather a pompous generalisation Stephen imo. Not all Labour voters are employees.

I am in favour of workers rights, which they had in this country before the EU existed; largely due to their own efforts. I think people value things more if they achieve them by their own efforts rather than having them handed down to them.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 24, 2016, 11:47:30 AM
Well I freely admit I didn't see that coming. I thought it would be close, but I didn't think that we would vote for brexit.

But here we a re, the democratic decision has been made and we need to move on and see how to make the absolute best of it.

I couldn't agree more.

We must all try and make the best of it.   
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 11:53:13 AM
Rather a pompous generalisation Stephen imo. Not all Labour voters are employees.

I am in favour of workers rights, which they had in this country before the EU existed; largely due to their own efforts. I think people value things more if they achieve them by their own efforts rather than having them handed down to them.

I do not consider I am being pompous.

Achieve those rights by their own actions G-Unit ?

It was the Unions who did that, and whose power has now been reduced by the last three Governments.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 11:53:56 AM
I want to see jobs for my children ...and the country not over run by eastern europeans who will drive wages down..
I want businesses to stay in the UK...not relocate to eastern europe where expenses are cheaper

They will re-locate.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 24, 2016, 11:55:33 AM
G' Morning Little Britain

? Soon to become little England as Scotland and maybe N Ireland leave us ?



I hope that I am wrong

I'm sure you are. Scotland had their chance to leave and didn't take it. Are you imagining Northern Ireland going it alone or joining Eire? Dream on Sadie.



Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 11:57:32 AM
Sturgeon has now announced the possibility of a second Scottish referendum.

If I heard correctly from a radio broadcast, the French President has asked the UK to leave the EU a.s.a.p.

Also, if I heard correctly, he has threatened that English Border Controls in Calais will be closed.

Meanwhile Gove and Johnson in their interviews, said I believe, that there was no rush to implement Article 50.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 24, 2016, 12:14:56 PM
I do not consider I am being pompous.

Achieve those rights by their own actions G-Unit ?

It was the Unions who did that, and whose power has now been reduced by the last three Governments.

Union formed by the workers with leaders elected by the workers and with the aim of furthering worker's interests. Had they been able to achieve similar structures to those in Germany they may have been able to survive and protect our manufacturing industries.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 12:17:55 PM
Brexit: Petition for second EU referendum so popular the government site's crashing

It cites the result as too close given the turnout



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-petition-for-second-eu-referendum-so-popular-the-government-sites-crashing-a7099996.html

Please can we move the goal posts, it's not fair, I want my mummy  8)><( 8)><(

Sounds like the SNP who will keep promoting a referendum on Scottish independence until they get the result they want despite most people in Scotland wanting to stay within the UK.  Had they gained independence previously the country would be bankrupt by now but then that is why Sturgeon is crawling up the EU's arse.  Truth being they need them for their next bail out!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 12:25:37 PM
Union formed by the workers with leaders elected by the workers and with the aim of furthering worker's interests. Had they been able to achieve similar structures to those in Germany they may have been able to survive and protect our manufacturing industries.

I am well aware of that. However, successive UK governments have been eroding those rights.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 24, 2016, 12:27:10 PM
Looking on the bright side it could provide work; anyone fancy a job rebuilding Hadrian's Wall?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 12:28:45 PM
https://twitter.com/Justice_forum/status/746292302067470336
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 24, 2016, 12:30:15 PM
They will re-locate.

they will re locate....all the best doctors are off to australia
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 24, 2016, 12:31:58 PM
Looking on the bright side it could provide work; anyone fancy a job rebuilding Hadrian's Wall?

I think there a a few gangs of Romanian and Lithuanian bricklayers looking for work.....
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 12:50:37 PM
This shake up was a long time coming.  I don't think even Gove, Johnson or Farage thought it would happen going by their comments last night as counting began.  The Labour Party leadership has certainly has had a rocket up them with Margaret Hodge MP and others now calling for Corbyn to go.

Not only have the electorate got rid of the EU but they have dumped Cameron and Corbyn too.  Who would have thought it?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 24, 2016, 01:00:47 PM
https://twitter.com/Justice_forum/status/746292302067470336

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2016, 01:30:17 PM
This shake up was a long time coming.  I don't think even Gove, Johnson or Farage thought it would happen going by their comments last night as counting began.  The Labour Party leadership has certainly has had a rocket up them with Margaret Hodge MP and others now calling for Corbyn to go.

Not only have the electorate got rid of the EU but they have dumped Cameron and Corbyn too.  Who would have thought it?

A win win situation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-GkwIRbLw8
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 01:53:49 PM



So Spam, would you want Farage in government ?

...and you know what political 'party' he belonged to ?

Mind you he has no problems with Lithuanians.

 8(0(* 8)--))
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2016, 02:10:40 PM


So Spam, would you want Farage in government ?

...and you know what political 'party' he belonged to ?

Mind you he has no problems with Lithuanians.

 8(0(* 8)--))

No, UKIP is neither extreme, nor intelligent enough for my liking.

I want the English Defence League, to help tackle Muslamic Infidel Extremism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuNuqIev8M
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 24, 2016, 02:17:11 PM
No, UKIP is neither extreme, nor intelligent enough for my liking.

I want the English Defence League, to help tackle Muslamic Infidel Extremism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuNuqIev8M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuNuqIev8M)


You'd never believe that he's got a BA with Hons in Human Relations!  @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 24, 2016, 02:30:38 PM
This shake up was a long time coming.  I don't think even Gove, Johnson or Farage thought it would happen going by their comments last night as counting began.  The Labour Party leadership has certainly has had a rocket up them with Margaret Hodge MP and others now calling for Corbyn to go.

Not only have the electorate got rid of the EU but they have dumped Cameron and Corbyn too.  Who would have thought it?

Well not quite. We are left with the little problem of observing their rules and standards if we wish to trade with them  CE marking and all that. Then of course not being a member of the EU any manufacturing company trading with them will need to have a quality control system approved by a Brussels NOBO or it's no deal and we will not enough clout to make them relax the requirements. Not when it can sourced from within the EU.
Try bunging a Category IV pressure vessel made from Indian or Chinese steel plate into the European Union, now that is a barrel of laughs I can tell you. 
Ten years time we will probably still be working to "Pressure Equipment Regulations 1999, which brings the Pressure Equipment Directive 97/23/EC into UK law" because having two standards to work to will be pointless and sorting it out will not be top of anyone's priority list. And that's but one. FK how many similar directives we will live with for similar reasons. Imagine how many laws enacting EU directives that will have to be repealed and how many new laws and standards will need to be written. Nah let's save ourselves the hassle and live the present [EU] ones....that will happen for sure.

I won't mention foreign non EU multinationals with head offices in UK because they think the UK is Europe. Well it sure as hell isn't now...................... &%+((£
Interesting times ahead and lots of "fmg I didn't think that would happen" from both sides I bet.. 8(0(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 02:43:11 PM
Well not quite. We are left with the little problem of observing their rules and standards if we wish to trade with them  CE marking and all that. Then of course not being a member of the EU any manufacturing company trading with them will need to have a quality control system approved by a Brussels NOBO or it's no deal and we will not enough clout to make them relax the requirements. Not when it can sourced from within the EU.
Try bunging a Category IV pressure vessel made from Indian or Chinese steel plate into the European Union, now that is a barrel of laughs I can tell you. 
Ten years time we will probably still be working to "Pressure Equipment Regulations 1999, which brings the Pressure Equipment Directive 97/23/EC into UK law" because having two standards to work to will be pointless and sorting it out will not be top of anyone's priority list. And that's but one. FK how many similar directives we will live with for similar reasons. Imagine how many laws enacting EU directives that will have to be repealed and how many new laws and standards will need to be written. Nah let's save ourselves the hassle and live the present [EU] ones....that will happen for sure.

I won't mention foreign non EU multinationals with head offices in UK because they think the UK is Europe. Well it sure as hell isn't now...................... &%+((£
Interesting times ahead and lots of "fmg I didn't think that would happen" from both sides I bet.. 8(0(*

Now what will happen if the Multi-Nationals relocate to mainland Europe and/or stop investing in the UK ?

Now there's a tough question to answer.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: scipio_usmc on June 24, 2016, 02:49:13 PM
On a financial program they noted that in March Trump predicted Brexit would succeed. 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 24, 2016, 02:56:34 PM
I'm sure you are. Scotland had their chance to leave and didn't take it. Are you imagining Northern Ireland going it alone or joining Eire? Dream on Sadie.

This changes everything as far as Scotland is concerned imo.

They liked the safety of being part of the UK that was * in *, rather than a rather insignificant little island with little power.

I agree NI is a rather different kettle of fish and might flounder rather on its own.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: scipio_usmc on June 24, 2016, 03:23:06 PM
This changes everything as far as Scotland is concerned imo.

They liked the safety of being part of the UK that was * in *, rather than a rather insignificant little island with little power.

I agree NI is a rather different kettle of fish and might flounder rather on its own.

The UK has more political power independent than in the EU. It's military power is of course unchanged because that was always a NATO issue not EU.  While Obama is a giant crybaby who insists on getting his way or lashing out (he said if the UK leaves he will put the UK at the back of every line including economic, Trump said the UK deserves our full support as a reliable ally and fortunately Obama will be gone as Brexit is implimented

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/britons-taken-back-control-country-091013111.html
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 03:42:48 PM
The UK has more political power independent than in the EU. It's military power is of course unchanged because that was always a NATO issue not EU.  While Obama is a giant crybaby who insists on getting his way or lashing out (he said if the UK leaves he will put the UK at the back of every line including economic, Trump said the UK deserves our full support as a reliable ally and fortunately Obama will be gone as Brexit is implimented

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/britons-taken-back-control-country-091013111.html

What political power would that be ?

After last night some countries could simply say to us Foxtrot Alpha.

Our armed forces are depleted and a high proportion of soldiers are part time.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 24, 2016, 03:50:13 PM
G' Morning Little Britain

? Soon to become little England as Scotland and maybe N Ireland leave us ?



I hope that I am wrong

Neither Scotland nor N Ireland are leaving but maybe we should kick the nationalists out?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 24, 2016, 03:53:13 PM
This changes everything as far as Scotland is concerned imo.

They liked the safety of being part of the UK that was * in *, rather than a rather insignificant little island with little power.

I agree NI is a rather different kettle of fish and might flounder rather on its own.

I think you underestimate the power and influence of the UK. We have always 'punched above our weight' and we have strong historic links and influence worldwide. We are members of the Commonwealth with 53 other nations and of NATO with 27 other nations.

The future as I saw it was heading towards a United States of Europe, which would have meant we could have been similar to a US state in the end.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 24, 2016, 03:54:42 PM
This changes everything as far as Scotland is concerned imo.

They liked the safety of being part of the UK that was * in *, rather than a rather insignificant little island with little power.

I agree NI is a rather different kettle of fish and might flounder rather on its own.

Have you forgotten Alex Salmond's big plans for independence which would have seen Scotland needing a bailout had they achieved Indy?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 24, 2016, 03:57:27 PM
The UK has more political power independent than in the EU. It's military power is of course unchanged because that was always a NATO issue not EU.  While Obama is a giant crybaby who insists on getting his way or lashing out (he said if the UK leaves he will put the UK at the back of every line including economic, Trump said the UK deserves our full support as a reliable ally and fortunately Obama will be gone as Brexit is implimented

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/britons-taken-back-control-country-091013111.html

Obama is a toothless clown imo.  Just watch as US citizens empowered by us Brits vote in Trump, that will really shake the world up.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 24, 2016, 04:00:20 PM
Obama is a toothless clown imo.  Just watch as US citizens empowered by us Brits vote in Trump, that will really shake the world up.  @)(++(*
My gawd, it wont half.

If Trump gets in the US will likely crumble too.  What a clown!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 24, 2016, 04:00:39 PM
Next time anyone goes to a garage to buy a European made car don't forget to negotiate the price down. No longer will we have to buy their goods at their prices. 8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 24, 2016, 04:03:21 PM
My gawd, it wont half.

If Trump gets in the US will likely crumble too.  What a clown!

But they will have a 20 foot high wall to keep economic migrants out.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 24, 2016, 04:11:10 PM
Next time anyone goes to a garage to buy a European made car don't forget to negotiate the price down. No longer will we have to buy their goods at their prices. 8((()*/
We always have negotiated prices down - considerably

And ordered cars in Holland to import


Nothing new there Angelo.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 24, 2016, 04:15:12 PM
The British pound is down almost 10% against the US dollar, interesting times.  8@??)(

Interesting to see that you are applauding the fact that we Brits are now poorer by almost 10%

What ever happened to you to make you so bitter against The Brits ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: scipio_usmc on June 24, 2016, 04:39:51 PM
Interesting to see that you are applauding the fact that we Brits are now poorer by almost 10%

What ever happened to you to make you so bitter against The Brits ?

How are you more poor? At worst it makes imports or foreign vacations more expensive to you which is just more incentive not to buy imports or vacation abroad.  In any event this is bound to be short lived and reverse once sanity is restored.



Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 04:57:41 PM
Interesting to see that you are applauding the fact that we Brits are now poorer by almost 10%

What ever happened to you to make you so bitter against The Brits ?

I suspect Angelo knows it is only a temporary correction brought about by greedy currency traders.  In time we will make it all back and then some.

Sorry scipio, I hadn't read your response to Sadie.  It's a real pity that the London elite will have to pay more to cross the Atlantic, my heart bleeds for them....NOT!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: scipio_usmc on June 24, 2016, 05:05:23 PM
My gawd, it wont half.

If Trump gets in the US will likely crumble too.  What a clown!

Trump is the only chance of any improvement Clinton will be as bad as Obama or even worse. Furthermore the integrity of the federal courts will be completely gone.  We already have 4 liberal loons on the Supreme Court who have no use for the Constitution whatsoever and simply pretend any portions they don't personally like are nonexistent. She will install several more such justices and the US will be governed by the judges instead of elected officials.  Our democracy will be gone. 

Conservative judicial philosophy = courts deciding cases based on law enacted through the Constitutional process

Liberal judicial philosophy = deciding cases based on what they believe would be the best outcome for the liberal political agenda. 

So for instance since the political liberal agenda is against guns they believe the courts should rule that the 2nd Amendment doesn't exist even though it is in black and white. They believe they have the right to make up anything they feel like- hence making up that the US Constitution contains a right to same gender marriage and abortion though it clearly doesn't.

They believe they have the right to amend the Constitution at will while conservatives believe the Constitution must be amended by passing an Amendment through the Amendment process specified in the Constitution. 

Basically you have Democrats unable to get their preferred policies enacted through the political process because they lack the political power to do it.  They pack the courts with liberals who illicitly enact such policies through the courts instead. The lower courts are already full of such judges, they make decisions contrary to law daily suggesting they know better than the legislators who Constitutionally are tasked with creating such laws.

This amounts to clear abuses of power.  Under the Constitution these judges can and should be impeached.  But impeachment requires 2/3 of the Senate to vote for removal. The Democrats in the Senate refuse to remove such judges because they want them to abuse their power to advance the Democrat's agenda.  They intentionally want these corrupt judges installed for such purpose.

The judiciary is supposed to be an impartial apolitical branch but the Democrats have politicized it.  Our country can't withstand the hack appointments that Hillary Clinton will make to the judiciary and every level of government.   

Donald Trump is the only chance of saving us from ruin since no third party candidate stands any chance of being elected. The only third party candidates running are basically insane anyway.  We have one former Republican governor who is a pothead and some environmentalist freak neither of whom stand any chance of beating Hillary or Trump. So we are stuck with the choice of either Trump or a corrupt, lying, incompetent Democrat bent on turning the US into an Oligarchy controlled by far left judges.



 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: scipio_usmc on June 24, 2016, 05:09:16 PM
I suspect Angelo knows it is only a temporary correction brought about by greedy currency traders.  In time we will make it all back and then some.

Sorry scipio, I hadn't read your response to Sadie.  It's a real pity that the London elite will have to pay more to cross the Atlantic, my heart bleeds for them....NOT!

Don't forget the inverse- this makes it cheaper for someone overseas to vacation in the UK so has the potential to benefit the UK tourism market. I still think it will be short lived though.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 05:34:18 PM
Trump is the only chance of any improvement Clinton will be as bad as Obama or even worse. Furthermore the integrity of the federal courts will be completely gone.  We already have 4 liberal loons on the Supreme Court who have no use for the Constitution whatsoever and simply pretend any portions they don't personally like are nonexistent. She will install several more such justices and the US will be governed by the judges instead of elected officials.  Our democracy will be gone. 

Conservative judicial philosophy = courts deciding cases based on law enacted through the Constitutional process

Liberal judicial philosophy = deciding cases based on what they believe would be the best outcome for the liberal political agenda. 

So for instance since the political liberal agenda is against guns they believe the courts should rule that the 2nd Amendment doesn't exist even though it is in black and white. They believe they have the right to make up anything they feel like- hence making up that the US Constitution contains a right to same gender marriage and abortion though it clearly doesn't.

They believe they have the right to amend the Constitution at will while conservatives believe the Constitution must be amended by passing an Amendment through the Amendment process specified in the Constitution. 

Basically you have Democrats unable to get their preferred policies enacted through the political process because they lack the political power to do it.  They pack the courts with liberals who illicitly enact such policies through the courts instead. The lower courts are already full of such judges, they make decisions contrary to law daily suggesting they know better than the legislators who Constitutionally are tasked with creating such laws.

This amounts to clear abuses of power.  Under the Constitution these judges can and should be impeached.  But impeachment requires 2/3 of the Senate to vote for removal. The Democrats in the Senate refuse to remove such judges because they want them to abuse their power to advance the Democrat's agenda.  They intentionally want these corrupt judges installed for such purpose.

The judiciary is supposed to be an impartial apolitical branch but the Democrats have politicized it.  Our country can't withstand the hack appointments that Hillary Clinton will make to the judiciary and every level of government.   

Donald Trump is the only chance of saving us from ruin since no third party candidate stands any chance of being elected. The only third party candidates running are basically insane anyway.  We have one former Republican governor who is a pothead and some environmentalist freak neither of whom stand any chance of beating Hillary or Trump. So we are stuck with the choice of either Trump or a corrupt, lying, incompetent Democrat bent on turning the US into an Oligarchy controlled by far left judges.

I am quite frankly staggered that you believe Trump is any more than a complete fruitcake.

He is no more than a real estate developer who has gone bankrupt several times.

Clinton can't be trusted either,

So either way the Americans will elect a complete ar##ho## as President.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2016, 05:36:07 PM
Brexit protests: Hundreds to descend on Parliament to protest Britain’s decision to leave the EU

'Tomorrow lets take to the streets at the Houses of Parliament to peacefully come together and show strength in the face of a decision none of us can truly predict the outcome of,' the organisers urge


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-protests-hundreds-to-descend-on-parliament-to-protest-britain-s-decision-to-leave-the-eu-a7101546.html

Will probably be hijacked by Antifa & the disgruntled libtard students of generation snowflake, who didn't get a trigger warning or a safe space from other peoples opinions & choices.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 05:49:18 PM
Brexit protests: Hundreds to descend on Parliament to protest Britain’s decision to leave the EU

'Tomorrow lets take to the streets at the Houses of Parliament to peacefully come together and show strength in the face of a decision none of us can truly predict the outcome of,' the organisers urge


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-protests-hundreds-to-descend-on-parliament-to-protest-britain-s-decision-to-leave-the-eu-a7101546.html

Will probably be hijacked by Antifa & the disgruntled libtard students of generation snowflake, who didn't get a trigger warning or a safe space from other peoples opinions & choices.

That is a really pathetic comment Spam.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 05:52:05 PM
No, UKIP is neither extreme, nor intelligent enough for my liking.

I want the English Defence League, to help tackle Muslamic Infidel Extremism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuNuqIev8M

'Muslamic' ?

Do you know that term is used to mock the EDL ? 8)-)))
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 06:00:07 PM
Brexit protests: Hundreds to descend on Parliament to protest Britain’s decision to leave the EU

'Tomorrow lets take to the streets at the Houses of Parliament to peacefully come together and show strength in the face of a decision none of us can truly predict the outcome of,' the organisers urge


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-protests-hundreds-to-descend-on-parliament-to-protest-britain-s-decision-to-leave-the-eu-a7101546.html

Will probably be hijacked by Antifa & the disgruntled libtard students of generation snowflake, who didn't get a trigger warning or a safe space from other peoples opinions & choices.

London again!   @)(++(*

Maybe they don't realise how democracy works since most are probably immigrants.   This reform was a long time coming and badly needed, 17½ million agree.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 06:04:19 PM
London again!   @)(++(*

Maybe they don't realise how democracy works since most are probably immigrants.   This reform was a long time coming and badly needed, 17½ million agree.

Just over 16 Million didn't agree and 13 Million didn't vote.

So it wasn't a majority of the eligible voting population, was it John ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2016, 06:08:02 PM
Just over 16 Million didn't agree and 13 Million didn't vote.

So it wasn't a majority of the eligible voting population, was it John ?

The lesson here is.....vote.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 06:10:08 PM
Just over 16 Million didn't agree and 13 Million didn't vote.

So it wasn't a majority of the eligible voting population, was it John ?

Irrelevant.  It was a huge majority however since most of those Nationalists in Scotland and N Ireland voted along political lines and not on the economy.  Taking away non UK residents like Gibraltarians who again voted purely out of self interest increases the vote even more.

By the way, why do the residents of Gibraltar even have a say on whether the UK stays or leaves the EU?  Many have never even been to the UK.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 06:14:18 PM
Irrelevant.  It was a huge majority however since most of those Nationalists in Scotland and N Ireland voted along political lines and not on the economy.

Not irrelevant.

Just the truth.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 06:14:55 PM
The lesson here is.....vote.

It should be compulsory.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2016, 06:19:34 PM
It should be compulsory.

Is it just me or does that sound a little dictatorial?

Authoritarian democracy  @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 06:20:29 PM
Irrelevant.  It was a huge majority however since most of those Nationalists in Scotland and N Ireland voted along political lines and not on the economy.

A huge majority ?

I just watched a few people from Hartlepool on Sky News being asked why they voted OUT.

Most of them could not give a coherent reason why, and had no idea what might happen next.

...' it does not have a significant Immigrant population '.


http://ilivehere.co.uk/statistics-greatham-hartlepool-15437.html

As I said it was scare tactics used by Brexit.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 06:21:17 PM
Not irrelevant.

Just the truth.

The referendum is over Stephen.  The #leave supporters won!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 06:21:30 PM
Is it just me or does that sound a little dictatorial?

Authoritarian democracy  @)(++(*

Like in Australia you mean, which Brexit supporters use a model for immigration. 8)-))) 8)--))
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 06:24:53 PM
The referendum is over Stephen.  The #leave supporters won!

Yet you seem worried by my comments.

What have they won John ?

More expensive imports ?

A decrease in Exchange Rates ?

More expensive European Holidays ?

More unemployment ?

etc..............

Oh by the way John, what is going to happen to all the European citizens already in this country, and those UK citizens living and working in Europe ?

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2016, 06:26:43 PM
Where was my vote?

Teenagers protest outside parliament after being blocked from taking part in EU referendum
.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/vote-teenagers-protest-outside-parliament-8275677

17 year olds bitching that they didn't get a vote.

I didn't get one for 35years.

Welcome to democracy.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2016, 06:28:00 PM
Yet you seem worried by my comments.

What have they won John ?

More expensive imports ?

A decrease in Exchange Rates ?

More expensive European Holidays ?

More unemployment ?

etc..............

Oh by the way John, what is going to happen to all the European citizens already in this country, and those UK citizens living and working in Europe ?

Just chill stephen, enjoy Independence day & be proud to be British.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: scipio_usmc on June 24, 2016, 06:31:35 PM

I am quite frankly staggered that you believe Trump is any more than a complete fruitcake.

He is no more than a real estate developer who has gone bankrupt several times.

Clinton can't be trusted either,

So either way the Americans will elect a complete ar##ho## as President.

Trump never went bankrupt. 2 of his thousands of businesses went through reorganization bankruptcy. 1 was the Plaza Hotel and the reorganization resulted in the creditors buying equity in the business.   The other was his Trump Entertainment and resorts casino business which went through reorganization 2 times when Trump was the majority owner. While he was the minority owner it went through reorganization several other times that were dictated by others not him.

Despite these reorganizations his net worth increased tremendously since.  That is because he had so many other businesses.  He took a half million dollar loan and parlayed it into more than $10 billion.  If that makes him a clown than I wish I were one because I have nothing remotely near that and have to work harder than he does to earn much less.

Hillary Clinton was broke by her own admission in 2000.  How did she become a millionaire?  By writing a pathetic book about her political life, giving political speeches to businesses in exchange for influence, inside business dealings from rich donors and friends and by spending Clinton Foundation money. Only 10% of the money actually goes to charity.  The other 90% is overhead used by the Clintons and political hacks they employ through their foundation.

We have a choice between a free market guy who wants to reduce economic regulation and someone who wants the only money that can be made to be from politics and the government.


Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 06:32:06 PM
Just chill stephen, enjoy Independence day & be proud to be British.

Stephen wasted his vote and now he wants a stewards enquiry.  Gosh, I just hate being right all the time.    %#£%
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 06:34:44 PM
Just chill stephen, enjoy Independence day & be proud to be British.

Independent of what Spam ?

We haven't left the EU yet, have we.

Besides I am observing the how Brexit supporters view the world.

Quite fascinating.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 24, 2016, 06:35:06 PM
Yet you seem worried by my comments.

What have they won John ?

More expensive imports ?

A decrease in Exchange Rates ?

More expensive European Holidays ?

More unemployment ?

etc..............

Oh by the way John, what is going to happen to all the European citizens already in this country, and those UK citizens living and working in Europe ?

And who's going to sell the big issue when the Romanians go home
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 06:36:56 PM
Trump never went bankrupt. 2 of his thousands of businesses went through reorganization bankruptcy. 1 was the Plaza Hotel and the reorganization resulted in the creditors buying equity in the business.   The other was his Trump Entertainment and resorts casino business which went through reorganization 2 times when Trump was the majority owner. While he was the minority owner it went through reorganization several other times that were dictated by others not him.

Despite these reorganizations his net worth increased tremendously since.  That is because he had so many other businesses.  He took a half million dollar loan and parlayed it into more than $10 billion.  If that makes him a clown than I wish I were one because I have nothing remotely near that and have to work harder than he does to earn much less.

Hillary Clinton was broke by her own admission in 2000.  How did she become a millionaire?  By writing a pathetic book about her political life, giving political speeches to businesses in exchange for influence, inside business dealings from rich donors and friends and by spending Clinton Foundation money. Only 10% of the money actually goes to charity.  The other 90% is overhead used by the Clintons and political hacks they employ through their foundation.

We have a choice between a free market guy who wants to reduce economic regulation and someone who wants the only money that can be made to be from politics and the government.

The Clinton's receive a fortune in donations to their Foundation, much of it from the Chinese.  Says it all really.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: scipio_usmc on June 24, 2016, 06:37:27 PM
Yet you seem worried by my comments.

What have they won John ?

More expensive imports ?

A decrease in Exchange Rates ?

More expensive European Holidays ?

More unemployment ?

etc..............

Oh by the way John, what is going to happen to all the European citizens already in this country, and those UK citizens living and working in Europe ?

As long as they don't commit crimes and have a legal means of support then obviously they will be able to stay.

Objective experts tend to think that the economy will take off and thus wages in the UK will rise and unemployment decrease as a result.

The ones who were biased in favor of socialism and remaining tend to be the ones predicting doomsday scenarios.  Mostly it was to try to scare people into voting to stay.  Maybe now they will shut their traps or better yet start to provide some objective analysis but this is wishful thinking.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 24, 2016, 06:37:56 PM
How are you more poor? At worst it makes imports or foreign vacations more expensive to you which is just more incentive not to buy imports or vacation abroad.  In any event this is bound to be short lived and reverse once sanity is restored.

Angelos words ... not mine
Quote
The British pound is down almost 10% against the US dollar, interesting times.  8@??)(
  Ask him.

I was just commenting on the fact that he showed pleasure that Brits were losing out 10%
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 06:38:08 PM
And who's going to sell the big issue when the Romanians go home

We shouldn't need it since we'll have all those empty houses.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 06:39:03 PM
Trump never went bankrupt. 2 of his thousands of businesses went through reorganization bankruptcy. 1 was the Plaza Hotel and the reorganization resulted in the creditors buying equity in the business.   The other was his Trump Entertainment and resorts casino business which went through reorganization 2 times when Trump was the majority owner. While he was the minority owner it went through reorganization several other times that were dictated by others not him.

Despite these reorganizations his net worth increased tremendously since.  That is because he had so many other businesses.  He took a half million dollar loan and parlayed it into more than $10 billion.  If that makes him a clown than I wish I were one because I have nothing remotely near that and have to work harder than he does to earn much less.

Hillary Clinton was broke by her own admission in 2000.  How did she become a millionaire?  By writing a pathetic book about her political life, giving political speeches to businesses in exchange for influence, inside business dealings from rich donors and friends and by spending Clinton Foundation money. Only 10% of the money actually goes to charity.  The other 90% is overhead used by the Clintons and political hacks they employ through their foundation.

We have a choice between a free market guy who wants to reduce economic regulation and someone who wants the only money that can be made to be from politics and the government.

They were his businesses.

Don't give excuses, it won't wash.

..and I most certainly would not buy a used car from either Trump or Clinton.

I presume you know what trump means in old fashioned English ?  *&*%£
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 06:40:14 PM
And who's going to sell the big issue when the Romanians go home

Silly reply.

I've seen English people sell those, such as this afternoon outside Marks and Sparks.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 06:41:07 PM
As long as they don't commit crimes and have a legal means of support then obviously they will be able to stay.

Objective experts tend to think that the economy will take off and thus wages in the UK will rise and unemployment decrease as a result.

The ones who were biased in favor of socialism and remaining tend to be the ones predicting doomsday scenarios.  Mostly it was to try to scare people into voting to stay.  Maybe now they will shut their traps or better yet start to provide some objective analysis but this is wishful thinking.

The clear scare tactics were directed by Brexit.

No doubt about that.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 06:42:49 PM
We shouldn't need it since we'll have all those empty houses.

Well that will be interesting to see ?

So John , how are all these immigrants going to be repatriated ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: misty on June 24, 2016, 06:43:19 PM
Just chill stephen, enjoy Independence day & be proud to be British.


You mean English, don't you?
Just like our football team do time & time again, we have found a way to press the self-destruct button in a commanding position but this time we will never feature in the tournament again.

I'm gutted, truly gutted.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 06:44:21 PM
Stephen wasted his vote and now he wants a stewards enquiry.  Gosh, I just hate being right all the time.    %#£%

You aren't going to wind me up John.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2016, 06:46:57 PM
And who's going to sell the big issue when the Romanians go home

LMFAO

 8@??)(
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 24, 2016, 06:47:55 PM

I am quite frankly staggered that you believe Trump is any more than a complete fruitcake.

He is no more than a real estate developer who has gone bankrupt several times.

Clinton can't be trusted either,

So either way the Americans will elect a complete ar##ho## as President.

Am just back from a mercy mission to Canada ... and met loads of well educated people there whose almost first words were "What do the Brits think of Trump?"

Like me and stephen they were absolutely gobsmacked that a man like Trump might be elected president of the USAt.


I had no idea that suckers (sorry) over here had fallen for his clap trap

Gawd help America and Gawd help the world if he is made President.



Especially ... Gawd help little Britain if he is our main ally
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 24, 2016, 06:50:30 PM
Is it just me or does that sound a little dictatorial?

Authoritarian democracy  @)(++(*

All of you must vote but 110% of you will do.
Robert Mugabe  @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 06:50:41 PM
The clear scare tactics were directed by Brexit.

No doubt about that.

I think you have that the wrong way round.  But you voted #remain so clearly you weren't taken in?

Isn't it wonderful Stephen, our manufacturers can now enjoy a well earned boost to exports.

Now the French, Dutch and the Germans want their own referendum on EU membership.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36615879
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 06:51:01 PM
Am just back from a mercy mission to Canada ... and met loads of well educated people there whose almost first words were "What do the Brits think of Trump?"

Like me and stephen they were absolutely gobsmacked that a man like Trump might be elected president of the USAt.


I had no idea that suckers (sorry) over here had fallen for his clap trap

Gawd help America and Gawd help the world if he is made President.



Especially ... Gawd help little Britain if he is our main ally

Well said Sadie. 8@??)( 8@??)(

I note, that Sky, the BBC or ITV  did not cover his trip to Scotland today.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: scipio_usmc on June 24, 2016, 06:51:04 PM
The Clinton's receive a fortune in donations to their Foundation, much of it from the Chinese.  Says it all really.

Oh I left out Hillary has to date paid herself $250,000 salary from her campaign fund.  We have a stupid law that permits candidates to pay themselves a salary so long as they are not employed by the government while running the only limit is the amount can't be greater than the salary of the post being run for. 

Trump is funding his own campaign so naturally doesn't take a salary.  The lying media made a big deal that his campaign is buying products from Trump family companies claiming this is self-dealing.  They ignore that by law his companies cannot give anything to his campaign for free thus by law his campaign must pay for everything from an airline ride to a bottle of water.

All the political cronies Hillary has relied on she paid using Clinton Foundation funds.  They get money from the foundation to do work for her that has nothing to do with charity.  Obama refused to allow her to hire Blumenthal at the State Department but she still used him as an advisor anyway and simply paid him through the Clinton foundation.  Huma Abedin was receiving 3 paychecks simultaneously- from the State department, the Clinton Foundation and from a Clinton supporter. 

The Clinton Foundation is a huge illegal slush fund operation that she should be in jail over but isn't because Obama is so corrupt.  Every government Department is controlled by Democratic hacks who use such departments against political opponents.  He is worse than Nixon but there is no Independent  Prosecutor law on the books anymore and his Justice Department is one of the departments controlled by a political hack so till he is gone nothing can happen.


 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 24, 2016, 06:51:56 PM
They were his businesses.

Don't give excuses, it won't wash.

..and I most certainly would not buy a used car from either Trump or Clinton.

I presume you know what trump means in old fashioned English ?  *&*%£
Trump would make a brilliant second hand car salesman ... or double glazing
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 06:52:57 PM
I think you have that the wrong way round.  But you voted #remain so clearly you weren't taken in?

Isn't it wonderful Stephen, our manufacturers can now enjoy a well earned boost to exports.

They are not our manufacturers John.

They are owned by Foreign companies. 8)--))
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 24, 2016, 06:54:00 PM
And who's going to sell the big issue when the Romanians go home

Sell the Big Issue!!!!?  More like making British peoples' lives a misery!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3416971/Romanian-criminal-allowed-Britain-despite-string-convictions-homeland-jailed-breaking-homes-just-TWO-WEEKS-arriving-UK.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3416971/Romanian-criminal-allowed-Britain-despite-string-convictions-homeland-jailed-breaking-homes-just-TWO-WEEKS-arriving-UK.html)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3467569/Judge-lets-Romanian-rapist-Britain-break-EU-law-deport-home-country.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3467569/Judge-lets-Romanian-rapist-Britain-break-EU-law-deport-home-country.html)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3627379/Romanian-teenage-thug-allowed-Britain-despite-theft-arrest-battered-pensioner-inch-life-just-month-freed-jail.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3627379/Romanian-teenage-thug-allowed-Britain-despite-theft-arrest-battered-pensioner-inch-life-just-month-freed-jail.html)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3615016/Number-Romanian-crime-suspects-arrested-surged-80-areas-18-000-nationwide.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3615016/Number-Romanian-crime-suspects-arrested-surged-80-areas-18-000-nationwide.html)
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 06:55:30 PM
Sell the Big Issue!!!!?  More like making British peoples' lives a misery!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3416971/Romanian-criminal-allowed-Britain-despite-string-convictions-homeland-jailed-breaking-homes-just-TWO-WEEKS-arriving-UK.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3416971/Romanian-criminal-allowed-Britain-despite-string-convictions-homeland-jailed-breaking-homes-just-TWO-WEEKS-arriving-UK.html)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3467569/Judge-lets-Romanian-rapist-Britain-break-EU-law-deport-home-country.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3467569/Judge-lets-Romanian-rapist-Britain-break-EU-law-deport-home-country.html)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3627379/Romanian-teenage-thug-allowed-Britain-despite-theft-arrest-battered-pensioner-inch-life-just-month-freed-jail.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3627379/Romanian-teenage-thug-allowed-Britain-despite-theft-arrest-battered-pensioner-inch-life-just-month-freed-jail.html)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3615016/Number-Romanian-crime-suspects-arrested-surged-80-areas-18-000-nationwide.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3615016/Number-Romanian-crime-suspects-arrested-surged-80-areas-18-000-nationwide.html)

So what about all the British thugs committing crimes Myster  ?

Or are they OK, because they are British ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: scipio_usmc on June 24, 2016, 06:58:27 PM
Independent of what Spam ?

We haven't left the EU yet, have we.

Besides I am observing the how Brexit supporters view the world.

Quite fascinating.

Brexit opponents- favor regulation and socialism, favor international governance as opposed to sovereign rule from home, favor welfare policies and no borders, favor banking and trade policies that aid international businesses more than local businesses and workers

When you add these up you get someone favoring being bankrupted to provide aid to unlimited emigrants and international businesses. 

Those in favor of Brexit see the problems with the above.

There are several parallels between such and Obama/Clinton v Trump.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 06:59:46 PM
You aren't going to wind me up John.

You're doing that quite nicely all on your own.  There is no point in crying over spilt milk, the referendum has been decided.

Cameron will soon be history as will Corbyn and if Sturgeon isn't careful she could be next if Scots turn against her.  The SNP are steadily losing ground and Sturgeon knows it.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 07:01:59 PM
You're doing that quite nicely all on your own.  There is no point in crying over spilt milk, the referendum has been decided.

You really have no idea John.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 24, 2016, 07:02:48 PM

You mean English, don't you?
Just like our football team do time & time again, we have found a way to press the self-destruct button in a commanding position but this time we will never feature in the tournament again.

I'm gutted, truly gutted.

Well said Misty   8@??)(

Not only have we ruined ourselves but we will have lost all our friends in Europe.

Sadly the rest of the world will go with the more powerful Europe


We have scored an own goal and dropped down to the Bottom Division.  All because of small mindedness ... and dare I say it.  Being against immigrants at any cost.  Racist behaviour.

Anyway the deed is done.  Now we must try and climb back up again. 


I doubt we ever will.  I hope that I am wrong.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 24, 2016, 07:04:06 PM
Well said Sadie. 8@??)( 8@??)(

I note, that Sky, the BBC or ITV  did not cover his trip to Scotland today.

Really!!!?  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36606184 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36606184)
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on June 24, 2016, 07:05:04 PM
I see in the news that the EU bosses are demanding that withdrawal negotiations start immediately, re uncertainty issues.

That encapsulates my issue with the EU.  Cameron indicates a process by which he will be replaced as PM by October, and the new PM will handle the withdrawal.  EU attempts to dictate an immediate start.

As I explained earlier, I am losing a shedload of money over this, about £30k if it remains this way for long, but I would rather the UK has control over UK matters, not politicians in Brussels.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2016, 07:05:39 PM
You're doing that quite nicely all on your own.  There is no point in crying over spilt milk, the referendum has been decided.

Cameron will soon be history as will Corbyn and if Sturgeon isn't careful she could be next if Scots turn against her.

Enjoy our British milk & support our British farmers.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 07:06:36 PM
Really!!!?  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36606184 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36606184)

I have watched all 3 news channels today.

Not even mentioned.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 07:07:39 PM
I see in the news that the EU bosses are demanding that withdrawal negotiations start immediately, re uncertainty issues.

That encapsulates my issue with the EU.  Cameron indicates a process by which he will be replaced as PM by October, and the new PM will handle the withdrawal.  EU attempts to dictate an immediate start.

As I explained earlier, I am losing a shedload of money over this, about £30k if it remains this way for long, but I would rather the UK has control over UK matters, not politicians in Brussels.

The UK had to ratify any EU laws in parliament.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 24, 2016, 07:07:51 PM
So what about all the British thugs committing crimes Myster  ?

Or are they OK, because they are British ?

Don't you think we've got enough scumbags of our own without adding further to our overcrowded prisons?

Continue living in your fantasy world, stephen... I'd rather concentrate on the reality!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 24, 2016, 07:07:58 PM
They are not our manufacturers John.

They are owned by Foreign companies. 8)--))

All the small business men withy real British Companies are worried sick.

At a whim the Chinese, Indian, German etc owners of the larger companies can close them down


What a devastating catastrophy for our country
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 24, 2016, 07:09:23 PM
I have watched all 3 news channels today.

Not even mentioned.

You obviously didn't look far enough.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 07:10:05 PM
You really have no idea John.

Your side lost.   @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 07:15:50 PM
Your side lost.   @)(++(*

This is not a game John.

The decision made will have ramifications on people's lives for decades.

What I do note is an apparent lack of basic economic knowledge  by those supporting Brexit.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 07:16:09 PM
Oh I left out Hillary has to date paid herself $250,000 salary from her campaign fund.  We have a stupid law that permits candidates to pay themselves a salary so long as they are not employed by the government while running the only limit is the amount can't be greater than the salary of the post being run for. 

Trump is funding his own campaign so naturally doesn't take a salary.  The lying media made a big deal that his campaign is buying products from Trump family companies claiming this is self-dealing.  They ignore that by law his companies cannot give anything to his campaign for free thus by law his campaign must pay for everything from an airline ride to a bottle of water.

All the political cronies Hillary has relied on she paid using Clinton Foundation funds.  They get money from the foundation to do work for her that has nothing to do with charity.  Obama refused to allow her to hire Blumenthal at the State Department but she still used him as an advisor anyway and simply paid him through the Clinton foundation.  Huma Abedin was receiving 3 paychecks simultaneously- from the State department, the Clinton Foundation and from a Clinton supporter. 

The Clinton Foundation is a huge illegal slush fund operation that she should be in jail over but isn't because Obama is so corrupt.  Every government Department is controlled by Democratic hacks who use such departments against political opponents.  He is worse than Nixon but there is no Independent  Prosecutor law on the books anymore and his Justice Department is one of the departments controlled by a political hack so till he is gone nothing can happen.

Hilary Clinton is driven by greed and the lust for power.  If she had any self respect she would have dumped Billy the strayer long ago but she won't since he is too useful to her in her pursuit to be the first female President.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 24, 2016, 07:17:25 PM
All the small business men withy real British Companies are worried sick.

At a whim the Chinese, Indian, German etc owners of the larger companies can close them down


What a devastating catastrophy for our country

For a nation that built an Empire, on which the sun never set, by knocking seven bells out the wild life in far away places exploiting them and nicking anything that wasn't bolted down UK sure went soft.

That's why UK couldn't hack it in Europe. It got religion and expected fair play.
Unless some one shoves a rod of iron up yer backs the big Greek kids will take yer marbles away  @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 07:18:51 PM
This is not a game John.

The decision made will have ramifications on people's lives for decades.

What I do note is an apparent lack of basic economic knowledge  by those supporting Brexit.

That applies to both sides.  The #remain scaremongering was despicable, they had nothing to offer but it is over now so irrelevant.

The first thing I want to see are new laws to deal with illegal immigrants and those who overstay their welcome.  This nanny State mentality has got to end!  The UK is a charitable country but there are limits.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 07:23:51 PM
Hilary Clinton is driven by greed and the lust for power.  If she had any self respect she would have dumped Billy the strayer long ago but she won't since he is too useful to her in her pursuit to be the first female President.

So is Trump.

He lives up to another word to describe his name.

IMHO naturally.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 07:25:16 PM
That applies to both sides.  The #remain scaremongering was despicable, they had nothing to offer but it is over now so irrelevant.

The first thing I want to see are new laws to deal with illegal immigrants and those who overstay their welcome.  This nanny State mentality has got to end!  The UK is a charitable country but there are limits.


What about the legal immigrants ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 07:27:42 PM
The clear scare tactics were directed by Brexit.

No doubt about that.

Untrue.  #Remain threatened that our economy, our security and our jobs would be at risk.  Just a load of hot air, it will be business as usual come Monday.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 07:28:51 PM
Well that will be interesting to see ?

So John , how are all these immigrants going to be repatriated ?

In a boat or a plane naturally.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 07:29:25 PM
Untrue.  #Remain threatened that our economy, our security and our jobs would be at risk.  Just a load of hot air, it will be business as usual come Monday.

We shall see.

It will go well beyond Monday.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 07:30:38 PM
They are not our manufacturers John.

They are owned by Foreign companies. 8)--))

A minority.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 07:31:34 PM
In a boat or a plane naturally.

You are living in dreamland if you really believe legal immigrants are going to be removed  as easily as that.

Don't you even vaguely comprehend how many businesses depend on skilled foreign workers ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 07:32:54 PM
A minority.

Well try naming a few multinationals British owned and then give a list of those foreign owned.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 07:36:29 PM
Well said Misty   8@??)(

Not only have we ruined ourselves but we will have lost all our friends in Europe.

Sadly the rest of the world will go with the more powerful Europe


We have scored an own goal and dropped down to the Bottom Division.  All because of small mindedness ... and dare I say it.  Being against immigrants at any cost.  Racist behaviour.

Anyway the deed is done.  Now we must try and climb back up again. 


I doubt we ever will.  I hope that I am wrong.

It is a fallacy that the EU has any real power Sadie.  It is a toothless entity with no ability to take anyone on.  Didn't you notice how Putin walked all over the EU during the Crimea and Ukraine crisis.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 07:37:37 PM
Really!!!?  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36606184 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36606184)

Oh dear, Stephen's wrong again.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 07:40:14 PM
Oh dear, Stephen's wrong again.

On the scottish news.

When was it in TV south of the border ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 07:40:47 PM
Enjoy our British milk & support our British farmers.

Absolutely, all my farmer friends agree, the EU sucks!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 07:45:33 PM
I have watched all 3 news channels today.

Not even mentioned.

The mainstream media are otherwise occupied south of the border today...London London London.   If you had watched STV or ITV Border you would have seen The Donald.  One must admit, he picked the right day to visit his investments.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 24, 2016, 07:48:36 PM
Absolutely, all my farmer friends agree, the EU sucks!
also our fishermen john,the price of cod n chips will come down,so we can all enjoy the nations favourite dish ?{)(**
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 07:51:26 PM
also our fishermen john,the price of cod n chips will come down,so we can all enjoy the nations favourite dish ?{)(**

Yes, like the farmers, taking back control is so empowering.  When can we start tearing down the EU signs?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 07:55:54 PM
For a nation that built an Empire, on which the sun never set, by knocking seven bells out the wild life in far away places exploiting them and nicking anything that wasn't bolted down UK sure went soft.

That's why UK couldn't hack it in Europe. It got religion and expected fair play.
Unless some one shoves a rod of iron up yer backs the big Greek kids will take yer marbles away  @)(++(*

Talking of Greece, watch this space for the next news!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 07:57:39 PM

What about the legal immigrants ?

I'd go with WS, send them back thru the Chunnel.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 07:59:14 PM
We shall see.

It will go well beyond Monday.

For most of us the results will be chip paper by next week.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 08:01:07 PM
You are living in dreamland if you really believe legal immigrants are going to be removed  as easily as that.

Don't you even vaguely comprehend how many businesses depend on skilled foreign workers ?

I'm sure Sadiq will be able to find some legal immigrants to fill any vacant posts.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 08:03:25 PM
also our fishermen john,the price of cod n chips will come down,so we can all enjoy the nations favourite dish ?{)(**

That isn't the nations favourite.

Just typed what is the favourite takeaway food on google. 8**8:/:

On a Daily Mirror site, pizza is number 1.

Fish 'n Chips was not in the top ten.


Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on June 24, 2016, 08:03:59 PM
Absolutely, all my farmer friends agree, the EU sucks!
That intrigues me.  For years we have heard that we get taxed to death to support EU farm subsidies.

What do you think has been happening?  Please enlighten us from a farmer's viewpoint.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 08:04:45 PM
I'd go with WS, send them back thru the Chunnel.

Of course John .

....and I just saw an elephant driving an Aston Martin. *&*%£
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 08:05:33 PM
Absolutely, all my farmer friends agree, the EU sucks!

The farmers I know, just love the EU subsidies.

Next.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 08:05:41 PM
On the scottish news.

When was it in TV south of the border ?

He was due to visit my island today too, did you notice that?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 08:06:52 PM
He was due to visit my island today too, did you notice that?

Nope.

Not interested.

He's a nutter.

IMO of course.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 08:08:24 PM
I'm sure Sadiq will be able to find some legal immigrants to fill any vacant posts.

Don't be foolish John.

You seem to have a fear of immigrants.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on June 24, 2016, 08:11:14 PM
That isn't the nations favourite.

Just typed what is the favourite takeaway food on google. 8**8:/:

On a Daily Mirror site, pizza is number 1.

Fish 'n Chips was not in the top ten.
It's largely irrelevant in the scope of things, but I remember that cod was getting scarcer and scarcer in the UK before we moved.  Yet here in Portugal bacalau (cod) is plentiful.

Does this mean the price of cod and chips will fall in the UK, while Portugal will see a reduction in its supply of bacalau?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 08:16:47 PM
It's largely irrelevant in the scope of things, but I remember that cod was getting scarcer and scarcer in the UK before we moved.  Yet here in Portugal bacalau (cod) is plentiful.

Does this mean the price of cod and chips will fall in the UK, while Portugal will see a reduction in its supply of bacalau?

Yes Shining, it was called over fishing.

As to prices, it is a scarce resource.

Prices will still be high, unless you want to try the Vietnamese sustitute.

 I have seen 'cod' 'n chips at local takeaways for £2.00.

Needless to say I didn't bother.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 24, 2016, 08:26:34 PM
Well said Misty   8@??)(

Not only have we ruined ourselves but we will have lost all our friends in Europe.

Sadly the rest of the world will go with the more powerful Europe


We have scored an own goal and dropped down to the Bottom Division.  All because of small mindedness ... and dare I say it.  Being against immigrants at any cost.  Racist behaviour.

Anyway the deed is done.  Now we must try and climb back up again. 


I doubt we ever will.  I hope that I am wrong.

I would love to know who our European friends were that we have lost. We may not be popular with the ruling classes but ordinary European citizens now want their own referendums. Has 'little' Britain once again set an example that others want to follow?

The 'rest of the world' may find there is no unified Europe to 'go along with' if other countries follow our lead.

I have noticed some small mindedness in UK people. Their denigration of the Portuguese authorities and deification of our Metropolitan police force has been quite disgraceful in my opinion. I think we may have lost friends in Portugal after the behaviour of our media towards them.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 24, 2016, 08:28:57 PM
It's largely irrelevant in the scope of things, but I remember that cod was getting scarcer and scarcer in the UK before we moved.  Yet here in Portugal bacalau (cod) is plentiful.

Does this mean the price of cod and chips will fall in the UK, while Portugal will see a reduction in its supply of bacalau?

When that nice Mr Heath was PM, between sailing and playing the piano, there was a wing ding with Iceland labelled in the press as "The Cod War". When it was over that same nice Mr Heath announced he was now looking forward to a long cod peace.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 08:33:56 PM
When that nice Mr Heath was PM, between sailing and playing the piano, there was a wing ding with Iceland labelled in the press as "The Cod War". When it was over that same nice Mr Heath announced he was now looking forward to a long cod peace.

Perhaps we can look forward to the Sequel.......

Revenge of the Cod. 8)--))

May the 'tartare' sauce be with you , always. *&*%£
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on June 24, 2016, 08:39:01 PM
Yes Shining, it was called over fishing.

As to prices, it is a scarce resource.

Prices will still be high, unless you want to try the Vietnamese sustitute.

 I have seen 'cod' 'n chips at local takeaways for £2.00.

Needless to say I didn't bother.
I have eaten the Vietnamese version, pollock, many a time, and I can safely say it is tasty.  When U cook like wot I do.

But surely EU regulations would prevent pollock from being passed off as cod?

And I have to agree.  At £2 for fish 'n' chips, I'd be looking at something else.  Just not sure what you get from a take-away for £2 anymore.  Chips?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 24, 2016, 08:49:10 PM
I have eaten the Vietnamese version, pollock, many a time, and I can safely say it is tasty.  When U cook like wot I do.

But surely EU regulations would prevent pollock from being passed off as cod?

And I have to agree.  At £2 for fish 'n' chips, I'd be looking at something else.  Just not sure what you get from a take-away for £2 anymore.  Chips?

In the UK in Cornwall in particular Atlantic Pollock is sold as Pollock and has been for 40 odd years as I know to. Dunno about Pacific Pollock.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 24, 2016, 08:52:34 PM
The farmers I know, just love the EU subsidies.

Next.

You obviously don't realise that the UK pays for them and has always done so.  If you knew anything about the subject you would know that the subdidies which you refer to are intended to keep the cost of farm produce down to you and other consumers.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 24, 2016, 08:54:35 PM
In the UK in Cornwall in particular Atlantic Pollock is sold as Pollock and has been for 40 odd years as I know to. Dunno about Pacific Pollock.

Patagonia Tooth Fish (Chilean Sea Bass) was routinely sold as a replacement for scarce cod but even that is protected these days.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2016, 08:55:01 PM
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Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 24, 2016, 08:59:41 PM
Not that long ago the Patagonia Dog Fish was being sold as a replacement for cod.

It should have been passed off as Patagonian Rock Salmon  @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 24, 2016, 09:02:25 PM
(http://i2.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/you-maniacs.jpg?w=952)

Is that PdL ?
All sorts of possibilities open up there.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 24, 2016, 09:03:02 PM
I have eaten the Vietnamese version, pollock, many a time, and I can safely say it is tasty.  When U cook like wot I do.

But surely EU regulations would prevent pollock from being passed off as cod?

And I have to agree.  At £2 for fish 'n' chips, I'd be looking at something else.  Just not sure what you get from a take-away for £2 anymore.  Chips?

In the UK in Cornwall in particular Atlantic Pollock is sold as Pollock and has been for 40 odd years as I know to. Dunno about Pacific Pollock.


Vietnamese!?  %56&   Pollock is native to and fished in the North Atlantic and substituted for cod in dodgy Fish & Chip shops. There was a brouhaha about in the past, if I remember correctly.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollock)
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 09:06:37 PM
You obviously don't realise that the UK pays for them and has always done so.  If you knew anything about the subject you would know that the subdidies which you refer to are intended to keep the cost down to you and other consumers.

For goodness sake Angelo, it isn't  just the UK paying for subsidies.

It's all about preventing over production after the food mountains, and farmers in the UK getting subsidies to leave their fields fallow, and not just for crop rotation.

Likewise, smaller farmers have been kept in business, in France, who would have gone out of business.

Then we also have the large supermarket chains in this country and elsewhere giving the squeeze on prices paid to farmers, and that is why many have gone to the wall, nothing to do with the EU. More, consumer demand for cheap food.

I could go even further.

So I do know a bit about economics.

It seems the same is not true for others.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 24, 2016, 09:10:16 PM
(http://i2.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/you-maniacs.jpg?w=952)

According to Stephen  8)-)))

At least Charlton Heston got the girl.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 24, 2016, 09:13:14 PM
Vietnamese!?  %56&   Pollock is native to and fished in the North Atlantic and substituted for cod in dodgy Fish & Chip shops. There was a brouhaha about in the past, if I remember correctly.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollock)

Well with all this EU regulation crap out the way we can look forward to Cumberland Sausage from Essex; Melton Mowbray Pork Pies from Cleckheaton, Stilton Cheese from Fakenham and genuine English Toulouse Snorkers...Champagne from the Moorlands sounds a good idea too.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 24, 2016, 09:14:18 PM
For goodness sake Angelo, it isn't  just the UK paying for subsidies.

It's all about preventing over production after the food mountains, and farmers in the UK getting subsidies to leave their fields fallow, and not just for crop rotation.

Likewise, smaller farmers have been kept in business, in France, who would have gone out of business.

Then we also have the large supermarket chains in this country and elsewhere giving the squeeze on prices paid to farmers, and that is why many have gone to the wall, nothing to do with the EU. More, consumer demand for cheap food.

I could go even further.

So I do know a bit about economics.

It seems the same is not true for others.

You really must keep up Stephen.  My cousin farms and he told me all about these schemes.  There is no set aside any more, another EU scheme which went belly up.

The reason so many farmers have gone bust is because the EU allows heavily subsidised French beef, milk and butter to be dumped on the UK market.

The EU changed the rules and created so much red tape that small farmers just can't cope with the nonsense.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 24, 2016, 09:20:37 PM
Well with all this EU regulation crap out the way we can look forward to Cumberland Sausage from Essex; Melton Mowbray Pork Pies from Cleckheaton, Stilton Cheese from Fakenham and genuine English Toulouse Snorkers...Champagne from the Moorlands sounds a good idea too.

Suppliers on the European mainland will be crapping themselves in case UK government bring in our own controls.  Time we started eating our own fish, lamb, beef, pork, chicken etc..  We don't need Turkeys from God knows where in eastern Europe.

Must go and enjoy my genuine 100% Chinese curry.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 09:23:49 PM
You really must keep up Stephen.  My cousin farms and he told me all about these schemes.  There is no set aside any more, another EU scheme which went belly up.


...and the rest ?

and have we been the only country paying subsidies to farms ?

I presume your cousin knows about this...

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/505559/BPS_2016_scheme_rules_FINAL__DS_.pdf
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2016, 09:25:24 PM
A pyrrhic victory? Boris Johnson wakes up to the costs of Brexit

Vote Leave’s poster boy should have been crowing, so why was his post-referendum press conference so subdued?


(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/28191dad5fc149b0ede89ec20ec0ee79be15eb58/768_14_1432_859/master/1432.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=329b856a14dafaf2053590db82001a46)

“If we are victorious in one more battle … we shall be utterly ruined.”


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/a-pyrrhic-victory-boris-johnson-wakes-up-to-the-costs-of-brexit
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 24, 2016, 09:29:23 PM
A pyrrhic victory? Boris Johnson wakes up to the costs of Brexit

Vote Leave’s poster boy should have been crowing, so why was his post-referendum press conference so subdued?


(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/28191dad5fc149b0ede89ec20ec0ee79be15eb58/768_14_1432_859/master/1432.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=329b856a14dafaf2053590db82001a46)
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/a-pyrrhic-victory-boris-johnson-wakes-up-to-the-costs-of-brexit

So Boris seemed subdued
He'd probably been up all night
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 09:29:35 PM
According to Stephen  8)-)))

At least Charlton Heston got the girl.

Well you must be by yourself saying that Angelo. 8)-)))

Charlton Heston's character was killed off  by the way in the sequel.

So getting the girl didn't help , did it. 8(>((
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 24, 2016, 09:31:02 PM
A pyrrhic victory? Boris Johnson wakes up to the costs of Brexit

Vote Leave’s poster boy should have been crowing, so why was his post-referendum press conference so subdued?


(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/28191dad5fc149b0ede89ec20ec0ee79be15eb58/768_14_1432_859/master/1432.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=329b856a14dafaf2053590db82001a46)

“If we are victorious in one more battle … we shall be utterly ruined.”


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/a-pyrrhic-victory-boris-johnson-wakes-up-to-the-costs-of-brexit

He never expected to win.

Now he has to keep to his promises. £5%4% £5%4%
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 24, 2016, 09:31:23 PM
That intrigues me.  For years we have heard that we get taxed to death to support EU farm subsidies.

What do you think has been happening?  Please enlighten us from a farmer's viewpoint.

Its very simple, our taxes are being sent to Irish farmers to prop up their economy whilst Ulster farmers go bankrupt.

As I predicted earlier, it looks like a General Election within months so that the British people can choose who will take us forward.  My fear is that the momentum will be lost in the political infighting which is sure to occur.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 24, 2016, 09:48:37 PM
It's all fine.  This morning we had Farage saying the "£350m a week to the NHS" promise was a mistake.  Oops. 

And Hannan confirms that anyone who thought brexit would stop EU immigration is going to disappointed. 


Ok. 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 24, 2016, 09:52:41 PM
Reality check......article 50 has NOT been triggered as promised. Withdrawl will take several years and who knows what political and economic changes will occur in this time to affect the decision. The govt will not simply withdraw because one third of the electorate voted for it. The decision will be made on what is best for the UK. What we do know is that we are in a much stronger negotiating position than we were when Cameron last tried. Will we leave the EU ?....I don't think that decision has or can be made at the moment
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 24, 2016, 10:00:34 PM
It's all fine.  This morning we had Farage saying the "£350m a week to the NHS" promise was a mistake.  Oops. 

And Hannan confirms that anyone who thought brexit would stop EU immigration is going to disappointed. 


Ok.

With an election looming it will be whoever can give guarantees on these things that will carry the vote.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 24, 2016, 10:02:09 PM
Reality check......article 50 has NOT been triggered as promised. Withdrawl will take several years and who knows what political and economic changes will occur in this time to affect the decision. The govt will not simply withdraw because one third of the electorate voted for it. The decision will be made on what is best for the UK. What we do know is that we are in a much stronger negotiating position than we were when Cameron last tried. Will we leave the EU ?....I don't think that decision has or can be made at the moment

It has and by Junckers.  He wants a sharp exit.

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/eu-referendum-result-brussels-chiefs-order-britain-to-make-sharp-exit-after-dramatic-brexit-result-a3280641.html
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 24, 2016, 10:05:06 PM
It has and by Junckers.  He wants a sharp exit.
Cameron promised to invoke article 50 if the brexit won.........first broken promise...there will be more
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 24, 2016, 10:06:10 PM
With an election looming it will be whoever can give guarantees on these things that will carry the vote.
no one will be able to give any guarantees
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 24, 2016, 10:09:36 PM
Cameron promised to invoke article 50 if the brexit won.........first broken promise...there will be more

He has to go to Brussels to do it.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 24, 2016, 10:10:09 PM
no one will be able to give any guarantees

They will try.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 24, 2016, 10:10:41 PM
He has to go to Brussels to do it.
he isn't doing it
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 24, 2016, 10:12:21 PM
They will try.

so you think every party will select only eurosceptic MPs for the next election and all those that support remain will be sacked
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 24, 2016, 10:16:15 PM


from the Guardian today......https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/brexit-won-vote-remain-eu-article-50-lisbon-treaty-referendum-david-cameron

The most significant announcement David Cameron made this morning was not that he plans to resign in October. It was that he will not be triggering article 50 of the Lisbon treaty in the meantime. When to “start the formal and legal process of leaving the EU” would be a matter for the new prime minister, he said.

 After this vote the UK is diminished, our politics poisoned
Gary Younge
Gary Younge  Read more
So by sacrificing his own job, Cameron has bought Britain three months’ breathing space. He had told MPs in February that, in the event of a Brexit vote, the British people would “rightly expect” him to trigger article 50 “straight away”.

In the meantime, everything continues exactly as before. The referendum vote has immense political implications but no direct legal effect. We remain in the EU.

Of course, the new prime minister will be expected to respect the result of the referendum and, in due course, to notify the European council – which includes all EU heads of state or government – of the UK’s intention to withdraw from the EU under article 50. But we now have three months in which EU leaders can devise some sort of associate membership for the UK that just might be enough to stop that happening.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 24, 2016, 10:16:23 PM
With an election looming it will be whoever can give guarantees on these things that will carry the vote.

They were two main planks of the brexit argument.  When those who voted leave in hope find the NHS is no better funded and immigrants are still nicking their jobs in a few months time they will be a bit cross.

On article 50, I think he has been wise.

My prediction? After a period of reflection we will remain in the EEA.  Cost will be around what we were paying.  Still have free movement of people.  We just won't have representation or votes. 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 24, 2016, 10:20:45 PM
They were two main planks of the brexit argument.  When those who voted leave in hope find the NHS is no better funded and immigrants are still nicking their jobs in a few months time they will be a bit cross.

On article 50, I think he has been wise.

My prediction? After a period of reflection we will remain in the EEA.  Cost will be around what we were paying.  Still have free movement of people.  We just won't have representation or votes.

You wish.   @)(++(*

Out means out and any new PM will be very aware of that.  It would be an extremely silly person who would go against the will of the majority.  I can see Cameron gone within weeks as the pressure builds for leadership.

Later we will see Lord Cameron in his gowns.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 24, 2016, 10:20:54 PM
From the same article


Before the referendum result was declared, most MPs had opposed Brexit. Some of them will now feel it is their duty to give effect to the majority decision of the voters. But since it will be at least three months and probably a lot longer before the new prime minister is in a position to trigger article 50, my own view is that the government will require, at the very least, a majority vote in the House of Commons before proceeding.

 The Cameron Conservatives era is over. The party now belongs to the Brexiters
Matthew d'Ancona
Matthew d'Ancona  Read more
One might have argued that a kamikaze prime minister could have triggered article 50 immediately after the referendum result was declared, using his prerogative powers. Those powers are used to sign treaties but not, I would argue, to put them into effect in the UK. In any event, there is a growing constitutional convention that prerogative powers are subject to parliamentary approval, as we saw with the Commons vote in August 2013 against air strikes on Syria.



In red is what I predicted last week
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 24, 2016, 10:22:03 PM
You wish.   @)(++(*

Out means out and any new PM will be very aware of that.


out does not mean out
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 24, 2016, 10:27:16 PM
Reality check......article 50 has NOT been triggered as promised. Withdrawl will take several years and who knows what political and economic changes will occur in this time to affect the decision. The govt will not simply withdraw because one third of the electorate voted for it. The decision will be made on what is best for the UK. What we do know is that we are in a much stronger negotiating position than we were when Cameron last tried. Will we leave the EU ?....I don't think that decision has or can be made at the moment

True and a referendum is not legally binding.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 24, 2016, 10:30:21 PM
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Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 24, 2016, 10:42:50 PM
You wish.   @)(++(*

Out means out and any new PM will be very aware of that.  It would be an extremely silly person who would go against the will of the majority.  I can see Cameron gone within weeks as the pressure builds for leadership.

Later we will see Lord Cameron in his gowns.

Remaining in the EEA means leaving the EU but continuing to trade in the free trade area.  And assumes we are going to continue to trade with the EU. 

And I predict Cameron will be gone by the end of September.   ?{)(**
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 24, 2016, 11:03:12 PM
True and a referendum is not legally binding.

what was the point of hauling the population ,and everything it could cause and has caused, through it all then, one wonders if there is no intention of severing the country if the vote went that way

Also someone somewhere when deciding 16 yr olds couldnt vote was very lapse, if the reporters are right they mostly voted remain, they could have swung it for cameron and the remainers

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 24, 2016, 11:22:15 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClvpTBxWkAAU_k5.jpg:large)

 *&*%£

And that is exactly what has happened.  We have fallen flat on our faces.  Great cartoon.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 24, 2016, 11:22:44 PM
what was the point of hauling the population ,and everything it could cause and has caused, through it all then, one wonders if there is no intention of severing the country if the vote went that way

Also someone somewhere when deciding 16 yr olds couldnt vote was very lapse, if the reporters are right they mostly voted remain, they could have swung it for cameron and the remainers

When the dust has settled, the populace realise the "exiters" sold them a pup* and Theresa May is PM...... &%+((£
*I see the mayor of Calais is making noises about us having our border and camp back that they have been minding for us for the past few years !
Fuel prices up because sterling took a clogging against the dollar.
Nigel Farage "the £350MM was a mistake".
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 24, 2016, 11:25:28 PM
I'd go with WS, send them back thru the Chunnel.

So legal immigrants should now be sent back? Which ones? Surely not all? That might be quite a few million people. If they are legal and have done nothng wrong why deport them? Where to start? Maybe there should be a definition of legal immigrant that is ok and one that isnt?


Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 24, 2016, 11:31:07 PM
So legal immigrants should now be sent back? Which ones? Surely not all? That might be quite a few million people. If they are legal and have done nothng wrong why deport them? Where to start? Maybe there should be a definition of legal immigrant that is ok and one that isnt?

Most of us come from families that immigrated into the UK.  Maybe milleniums ago, but we are mainly mongrels from immigrants.  Make no doubt about it

I am with mercury on this one.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 24, 2016, 11:38:50 PM
When the dust has settled, the populace realise the "exiters" sold them a pup* and Theresa May is PM...... &%+((£
*I see the mayor of Calais is making noises about us having our border and camp back that they have been minding for us for the past few years !
Fuel prices up because sterling took a clogging against the dollar.
Nigel Farage "the £350MM was a mistake".

I believe (could be wrong) alot of people voting did not understand what the eu was all about, ie what they were actually voting for, they voted on the basis of immgration, patriotism, not liking the tories and their actions in the last six years, labour not delivering for years. etc, it wasnt because half the voters are right wing racists

The debate was too short and run by all the wrong people in the main with their drama queen performances

It was a combnation of a protest vote and a leap of faith, which aint a bad thing sometimes, where it will end is anyones guess

Tomorrow is another day now, and as they say its always alright on the night

Idealistic? Maybe but better than getting depressed about things you fear


Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 24, 2016, 11:43:16 PM
As in most democracies voters in the UK have been less and less interested in politics and voting. That's mostly because they are disillusioned with politicians. Cameron made a massive error when he agreed to this referendum and I think he made it because he thought a Parliamentary majority meant support. It doesn't, because in some areas there's no point in voting because everyone knows which party will win. That's yet another example of just how out of touch with reality politicians are.

However, the referendum did happen and we have the result. If any attempt is made to pretend it was all Cameron's fault and it ''doesn't count there will be outrage. If the Prime Minister can't carry out his promises why bother having one? I think the English and Welsh people in particular have made it quite clear what they want. Any politicians who attempt to persuade them that they 'know better' will get short shrift. The people have been hearing that for a long time and many are sick of it in my opinion.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 24, 2016, 11:45:57 PM
Most of us come from families that immigrated into the UK.  Maybe milleniums ago, but we are mainly mongrels from immigrants.  Make no doubt about it

I am with mercury on this one.
Yes but we are not talking milleniums here otherwise the term immigrant would cease to be in the dictionary

Im seeking the criteria of good person bad person to be allowed to live and work in uk rather than deported because they are just an immigrant

There is no way this country can go back to the 40s and 50s without irreparable damage

Eta obviously there are reasons some people dont like some immigrants and there are valid ones Im sure, Ive had them, but deporting all non uk born people doesnt register as remotely plausible

I reckon it was a throwaway remark/point or maybe some point was being made about somethng and i took it a different way
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 24, 2016, 11:54:16 PM
So legal immigrants should now be sent back? Which ones? Surely not all? That might be quite a few million people. If they are legal and have done nothng wrong why deport them? Where to start? Maybe there should be a definition of legal immigrant that is ok and one that isnt?

All them bleedin' 'ungarians wot cum over 'ere in 1956 bonkin' our birds an' shopliftin, an' tattooin' 'emselves wiv school pens an' ink can go back now it is safe for 'em to do so.
(that is poor taste in irony before someone has a benny  8(0(* )
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 25, 2016, 12:02:06 AM
All them bleedin' 'ungarians wot cum over 'ere in 1956 bonkin' our birds an' shopliftin, an' tattooin' 'emselves wiv school pens an' ink can go back now it is safe for 'em to do so.
(that is poor taste in irony before someone has a benny  8(0(* )

Snigger

Decades later after thatcher and successive govts screwed the country others (generally the poor and immigrants)are still getting the blame

Better get your holy water out and splash it all over mays online pics



Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 12:13:52 AM
As in most democracies voters in the UK have been less and less interested in politics and voting. That's mostly because they are disillusioned with politicians. Cameron made a massive error when he agreed to this referendum and I think he made it because he thought a Parliamentary majority meant support. It doesn't, because in some areas there's no point in voting because everyone knows which party will win. That's yet another example of just how out of touch with reality politicians are.

However, the referendum did happen and we have the result. If any attempt is made to pretend it was all Cameron's fault and it ''doesn't count there will be outrage. If the Prime Minister can't carry out his promises why bother having one? I think the English and Welsh people in particular have made it quite clear what they want. Any politicians who attempt to persuade them that they 'know better' will get short shrift. The people have been hearing that for a long time and many are sick of it in my opinion.

Cameron needed to counter both UKIP & the eurosceptics in the party.....


Cameron struggles to prevent Tories ‘banging on about Europe’

Tory strategists fear ill-discipline will cost votes


May 13, 2013

David Cameron delivered a sobering lecture to the Tory conference in 2006 on why the party kept losing elections. “Instead of talking about the things that most people care about, we talked about what we cared about most,” he said.

“While parents worried about childcare, getting the kids to school, balancing work and family life, we were banging on about Europe.”

https://next.ft.com/content/75f0ea96-bbc3-11e2-a4b4-00144feab7de

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on June 25, 2016, 12:23:33 AM
Its very simple, our taxes are being sent to Irish farmers to prop up their economy whilst Ulster farmers go bankrupt.

As I predicted earlier, it looks like a General Election within months so that the British people can choose who will take us forward.  My fear is that the momentum will be lost in the political infighting which is sure to occur.
May I ask you roughly where your farm is?

I am not asking you to nail it to a specific locality, just a general region.

From what you have said, I get the impression N Ireland.  If this is so, since I also get the impression that N Ireland in the main voted to remain, so how did that come about and what should now be done about it, if anything.

On to a much lesser point, N Ireland v Wales in Euro 2016.  I am struggling to come up with a special menu for this.  Wales v England was hard enough to get beyond Welsh lamb and leeks.  On the Ulster side, I am doubly struggling, perhaps because it is difficult to separate N Irish recipes from Republic of Ireland recipes.  Suggestions are welcome.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 12:36:24 AM
Boris Johnson

The Rise Of The Irresistable.

(Documentary)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVq7ZGlvapM
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 25, 2016, 01:01:37 AM
Boris Johnson

The Rise Of The Irresistable.

(Documentary)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVq7ZGlvapM

Boris Johnson is not fit to be prime minister
He thinks the world politics is a pantomime
Well maybe hes right sometimes.... until you count the dead or any victim then its dead serious and clowns dont do serious do they? Maybe they do, life is such a vast and rich tapestry we are aleays surprised hmmmm boris as pm? NO


Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: misty on June 25, 2016, 01:12:24 AM
Boris Johnson is not fit to be prime minister
He thinks the world politics is a pantomime
Well maybe hes right sometimes.... until you count the dead or any victim then its dead serious and clowns dont do serious do they? Maybe they do, life is such a vast and rich tapestry we are aleays surprised hmmmm boris as pm? NO

First of all he has to be elected party leader - somehow I don't see that happening after plan Foil Farage backfired so spectacularly.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 25, 2016, 01:16:28 AM
First of all he has to be elected party leader - somehow I don't see that happening after plan Foil Farage backfired so spectacularly.

Only non toxic candidates allowed if theyre smart...the dwp minister has hnted hes interested, i saw him speak just the once seemed a normal head screwed on bloke but why hed go from that position a total unknown to running for pm  is anyones guess
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 01:27:28 AM
Boris Johnson is not fit to be prime minister
He thinks the world politics is a pantomime
Well maybe hes right sometimes.... until you count the dead or any victim then its dead serious and clowns dont do serious do they? Maybe they do, life is such a vast and rich tapestry we are aleays surprised hmmmm boris as pm? NO

He's destined to be king of the world.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 25, 2016, 01:33:25 AM
He's destined to be king of the world.

Yes, we know how shocked he was today when his so called dream came true, couldnt handle it, ergo hes not a king but a pauper right now, probably getting drunk

If youre honest it was a bit of a shock this morning for many
Uk in unchartered territory now, for a short while, bound to be a worry for both remain and leavers

But will always be alright on the night

Btw juncker was right saying well get out now if you want to get out why delay? Though he must be intelligent enough in his position to know the uk population did not actually vote against the eu per se
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 25, 2016, 01:52:15 AM
Oh dear bet camerons getting drunk too


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/top-eu-leader-we-want-britain-out-as-soon-as-possible
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 25, 2016, 06:37:48 AM
Oh dear bet camerons getting drunk too


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/top-eu-leader-we-want-britain-out-as-soon-as-possible (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/top-eu-leader-we-want-britain-out-as-soon-as-possible)

Oh My god!... Schulz needs to get that scruffy beard shaved off before he appears in public again! Frightening!

A dapper Farage letting rip...
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 25, 2016, 06:39:58 AM
Well done, Nige...
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 25, 2016, 07:00:33 AM
Most of us come from families that immigrated into the UK.  Maybe milleniums ago, but we are mainly mongrels from immigrants.  Make no doubt about it

I am with mercury on this one.

There are very few peoples who aren't 'mongrels', but there has been a core population of similar people in the UK for a very long time. Immigration has always continued and most immigrants have integrated with little to show their differences but their names. Daphne du Maurier and Eddie Izzard have Huguenot surnames, for example.

Immigration has not really affected the British culture because it seemed to occur at a level that allowed assimilation. The big groups that I know about are Jamaicans, Pakistanis and Ugandan Asians. They are assimilating and some that I have spoken to were voting to leave the EU.

More recently there has been no mention of assimilation, 'multiculturalism' has been the word. Has it worked? Perhaps in London, which has always been more diverse but there have been problems. How can teachers teach effectively when a high proportion of their pupils don't speak English? Policemen regularly need interpreters to speak to those they arrest.

I have no problem with immigration and no problem with the ethnicity of the immigrants. I do have a problem when the numbers and diversity seriously impact our services. Common sense tells me that teachers are struggling to teach if they struggle to communicate with their pupils, It also tells me that the children the teachers can communicate with are also missing out, No extra funding as far as I know has been provided to help with this problem;

Annette Street School in Govanhill has no native Scots on its roll of 222 pupils and has asked for help to ensure pupils "have an equal chance in society."
http://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/glasgows-most-multicultural-primary-reaches-11273151

Schools are a good example of how people have been expected to deal with the problems caused by multiculturalism without Governmental planning or help. If policies cause problems those espousing the policies should help solve the resulting problems. Is it too much to ask that the problems should have been foreseen and planned for?

That, in my opinion, is one of the reasons why some people voted to leave the EU. Rather than planning for the arrival of immigrants successive governments have accused people of being racist when they complained about their local services being overstretched. One fact stood out in the campaign. Remaining meant more of the same. Leaving was the only way people could vote to stop the inward flow from Europe.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 25, 2016, 07:34:22 AM
Could posters who talk about immigration think a little more about what they mean......immigration is not the issue it is uncontrolled immigration that is the issue. The EU is forcing the UK to accept any tom dick or harry who wishes to come here from Europe...what we need is some control. If uncontrolled immigration is a good thing...why not scrap all border controls....then all those crying "racist" would see how stupid their ideas are
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 25, 2016, 08:03:56 AM
Could posters who talk about immigration think a little more about what they mean......immigration is not the issue it is uncontrolled immigration that is the issue. The EU is forcing the UK to accept any tom dick or harry who wishes to come here from Europe...what we need is some control. If uncontrolled immigration is a good thing...why not scrap all border controls....then all those crying "racist" would see how stupid their ideas are

It's rather strange us being roughly in agreement on something isn't it? I agree, it's the lack of control which has caused the problems.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 08:24:42 AM
So it begins.

EU referendum: Moody's cut UK's credit outlook to 'negative'

The UK has had its credit rating outlook downgraded to "negative" by the ratings agency Moody's after the country voted to leave the EU.

Moody's said the result would herald "a prolonged period of uncertainty".

Meanwhile, PM David Cameron is under pressure to speed up "divorce" talks with the EU after Brussels said exit negotiations should start immediately.

EU head Jean-Claude Juncker said it was "not an amicable divorce", but it was "not a tight love affair anyway".
Moody's said the referendum result would have "negative implications for the country's medium-term growth outlook", and it lowered the UK's long term issuer and debt ratings to "negative" from "stable".

It added: "In Moody's view, the negative effect from lower economic growth will outweigh the fiscal savings from the UK no longer having to contribute to the EU budget."

It also said the UK had one of the largest budget deficits among advanced economies.

Colin Ellis, chief credit officer at Moody's, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the UK's credit rating could have an impact on UK households in the long term.

"The government borrowing rate is normally the benchmark - it is the rate at which other interest rates in the economy are set," he said.

"A lower rating would typically correspond to higher borrowing costs, and that would be felt not just by the government but by businesses and households in the longer term."

The financial assessment came after the UK voted to leave the EU, and a defeated Mr Cameron said he would step down as leader by autumn.

Pro-Leave MP Boris Johnson is tipped as favourite to replace him.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36626201
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 25, 2016, 09:00:05 AM
So it begins.

EU referendum: Moody's cut UK's credit outlook to 'negative'

The UK has had its credit rating outlook downgraded to "negative" by the ratings agency Moody's after the country voted to leave the EU.

Moody's said the result would herald "a prolonged period of uncertainty".

Meanwhile, PM David Cameron is under pressure to speed up "divorce" talks with the EU after Brussels said exit negotiations should start immediately.

EU head Jean-Claude Juncker said it was "not an amicable divorce", but it was "not a tight love affair anyway".
Moody's said the referendum result would have "negative implications for the country's medium-term growth outlook", and it lowered the UK's long term issuer and debt ratings to "negative" from "stable".

It added: "In Moody's view, the negative effect from lower economic growth will outweigh the fiscal savings from the UK no longer having to contribute to the EU budget."

It also said the UK had one of the largest budget deficits among advanced economies.

Colin Ellis, chief credit officer at Moody's, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the UK's credit rating could have an impact on UK households in the long term.

"The government borrowing rate is normally the benchmark - it is the rate at which other interest rates in the economy are set," he said.

"A lower rating would typically correspond to higher borrowing costs, and that would be felt not just by the government but by businesses and households in the longer term."

The financial assessment came after the UK voted to leave the EU, and a defeated Mr Cameron said he would step down as leader by autumn.

Pro-Leave MP Boris Johnson is tipped as favourite to replace him.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36626201

you need to look long term....not short term
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 09:09:24 AM
you need to look long term....not short term

I am looking in the long term.

The Brexit campaign was full of slogans and a campaign directed solely at the fear of immigration.

They never really expected to win.

There was no economic plan for the aftermath.

The rest of the EU wants us out a.s.a.p.

There is political indecision in Parliament now,  with Cameron resigned, and who does want to initiate article 50.

It is a recipe for uncertainty, which I anticipated would happen if the vote was for out, and so it has proved.

This is what happens when people don't think through the consequences of their actions.


Interesting to note, that the highest 'out' votes occurred in areas where the immigrant population was the lowest.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 25, 2016, 09:11:33 AM
So it begins.

EU referendum: Moody's cut UK's credit outlook to 'negative'

The UK has had its credit rating outlook downgraded to "negative" by the ratings agency Moody's after the country voted to leave the EU.

Moody's said the result would herald "a prolonged period of uncertainty".

Meanwhile, PM David Cameron is under pressure to speed up "divorce" talks with the EU after Brussels said exit negotiations should start immediately.

EU head Jean-Claude Juncker said it was "not an amicable divorce", but it was "not a tight love affair anyway".
Moody's said the referendum result would have "negative implications for the country's medium-term growth outlook", and it lowered the UK's long term issuer and debt ratings to "negative" from "stable".

It added: "In Moody's view, the negative effect from lower economic growth will outweigh the fiscal savings from the UK no longer having to contribute to the EU budget."

It also said the UK had one of the largest budget deficits among advanced economies.

Colin Ellis, chief credit officer at Moody's, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the UK's credit rating could have an impact on UK households in the long term.

"The government borrowing rate is normally the benchmark - it is the rate at which other interest rates in the economy are set," he said.

"A lower rating would typically correspond to higher borrowing costs, and that would be felt not just by the government but by businesses and households in the longer term."

The financial assessment came after the UK voted to leave the EU, and a defeated Mr Cameron said he would step down as leader by autumn.

Pro-Leave MP Boris Johnson is tipped as favourite to replace him.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36626201

Sounds like they can't wait to see the back of us. Hardly surprising really, we never fully committed to the EU anyway. What is missing now is someone to pull this country together and ignite our fighting spirit. A good leader could make all the difference to our future now.

Wasn't Osborne reducing our deficit? No? Why all the cuts then?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 09:20:36 AM
Sounds like they can't wait to see the back of us. Hardly surprising really, we never fully committed to the EU anyway. What is missing now is someone to pull this country together and ignite our fighting spirit. A good leader could make all the difference to our future now.

Wasn't Osborne reducing our deficit? No? Why all the cuts then?

The cuts were ostensibly to reduce the deficit.

Which hasn't worked.

A look at the UK debt clock will show that.

Likewise , the real UK debt clock should include pensions.

http://www.iea.org.uk/blog/true-level-of-uk-government-debt-exceeds-%C2%A35-trillion

http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/unitedkingdom



Meanwhile the main , but not only reason for the cuts was the right wing politics of the Conservatives.


Meanwhile public money is wasted on such projects such as the high speed rail links,, when money should be spent instead on the existing system.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 25, 2016, 09:22:13 AM
Sounds like they can't wait to see the back of us. Hardly surprising really, we never fully committed to the EU anyway. What is missing now is someone to pull this country together and ignite our fighting spirit. A good leader could make all the difference to our future now.

Wasn't Osborne reducing our deficit? No? Why all the cuts then?

Osborne did reduce the deficit left by the last Labour govt...by quite  a lot... I agree we need a strong leader
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 09:24:59 AM
Osborne did reduce the deficit left by the last Labour govt...by quite  a lot... I agree we need a strong leader

Really ?

Look at the National Debt clock, which has more than doubled since 2010.

Then look at how much the UK has borrowed since 2010.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 09:52:52 AM
Marching on.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 25, 2016, 10:34:52 AM
maybe the Scots who wanted to leave the UK 'there was 40% odd' should also have had a petition after losing 8)><(
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 10:43:46 AM
maybe the Scots who wanted to leave the UK 'there was 40% odd' should also have had a petition after losing 8)><(

You do realize that all the vote has done is show up all the lies that Brexit used, and now we have financial instability.

Are you happy with that ?

The UK Government is in crisis.

Cameron wants none of implementing Article 50. Well, I blame him for this mess anyway.

Corbyn is making a speech at 11 am.

Tell me Rotti, how has the EU harmed your life ?? 8)-)))
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 25, 2016, 10:44:53 AM
I am looking in the long term.

The Brexit campaign was full of slogans and a campaign directed solely at the fear of immigration.

They never really expected to win.

There was no economic plan for the aftermath.

The rest of the EU wants us out a.s.a.p.

There is political indecision in Parliament now,  with Cameron resigned, and who does want to initiate article 50.

It is a recipe for uncertainty, which I anticipated would happen if the vote was for out, and so it has proved.

This is what happens when people don't think through the consequences of their actions.


Interesting to note, that the highest 'out' votes occurred in areas where the immigrant population was the lowest.

What some people haven't grasped is that scare mongering only works if people can see for themselves what is happening. There has been a steady rise in the West Midland's foreign-born population, hence the 'out' votes in that area.

Scare mongering carried through some of Osborne's cuts, but in the end he was stopped because people could see he was taking it to ridiculous lengths and not achieving his own targets. He was not allowed to mess with tax credits, it was a step too far.

If Conservative politicians campaigned for Brexit but didn't expect to win that just shows that it was a cynical ploy to publicise themselves as alternatives to the government. Only when we have MP's who are there to represent the public and not themselves will this country get back on track.

If they will not or cannot carry out the will of the people we need a General Election to try and find some MP's with integrity. That would make a refreshing change.

Over the years I have seen a few who were there because they believed in what they do, even if I didn't/don't agree with them.

Winston Churchill
Margaret Thatcher
Tony Benn
Enoch Powell
Dennis Skinner
Frank Field
George Galloway

All passionate and committed. What a shame we have so few who stick to their principles no matter how unpopular it makes them. The fact that people don't trust what politicians say made it harder for the people to decide how to vote. The days when you voted for 'your' party because you trusted them are gone.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 10:47:48 AM
I never really believed Johnson or Gove were committed to Brexit.

It was IMO a cynical ploy to gain power in the Government.

I could see by their reactions yesterday, they never believed they would win the referendum.

P.S. The power vacuum that now remains after Cameron's resignation will only ignite more panic on the financial markets, and whether you like it or not, they do have an influence on our lives

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 25, 2016, 10:48:28 AM
Marching on.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215 (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215)

They need to grow up and accept the majority decision...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3658671/This-vote-doesn-t-represent-younger-generation-live-consequences-Millennials-fury-baby-boomers-voting-Britain-EU.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3658671/This-vote-doesn-t-represent-younger-generation-live-consequences-Millennials-fury-baby-boomers-voting-Britain-EU.html)
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 10:52:18 AM
They need to grow up and accept the majority decision...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3658671/This-vote-doesn-t-represent-younger-generation-live-consequences-Millennials-fury-baby-boomers-voting-Britain-EU.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3658671/This-vote-doesn-t-represent-younger-generation-live-consequences-Millennials-fury-baby-boomers-voting-Britain-EU.html)

It wasn't a majority of the electorate Myster.

Besides,  the petition system is part of democracy.

Are you opposed to democracy ?

N.B. Watching some of the people yesterday who voted for exit was quite illuminating. Most of them couldn't come up with reasons why they had and they hadn't a clue about the consequences of such a decision.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 25, 2016, 10:57:30 AM
You do realize that all the vote has done is show up all the lies that Brexit used, and now we have financial instability.

Are you happy with that ?

The UK Government is in crisis.

Cameron wants none of implementing Article 50. Well, I blame him for this mess anyway.

Corbyn is making a speech at 11 am.

Tell me Rotti, how has the EU harmed your life ?? 8)-)))

Both sides lied and spun. Therefore you can't blame voters for finding it difficult to make an informed decision. It is all Cameron's fault and now he's running away rather than facing the consequences and fulfilling his promise. I expect he received an almighty shove to resign but that's just added to the turmoil. Financial instability was on the cards anyway with the continued rise in borrowing in my opinion.

What matters now is for someone to take control, set out a clear timetable and some financial plans. The deafening silence is a disgrace and just adds to the uncertainty. Our political classes are clearly not fit for purpose.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 25, 2016, 11:04:33 AM
The Brexit debate has created an “opportunity to re-found Europe”, Nicolas Sarkozy has said, but the former French president warned that Britain's departure from the European Union would go down as part of a “grand slam of errors” for the continent.

Mr Sarkozy, 61, who leads France's main centre-Right opposition party, The Republicans, said that Europe requires a new treaty, notably to better manage its borders, regardless of whether Britain remained in the bloc.

“The debate on Brexit is an opportunity to re-found Europe. On many of their criticisms, the British are right,” he told Le Monde.

“The fact that people have given up on Europe is a major cause for concern for all countries. I am totally against the UK leaving Europe. The worst would be Brexit plus Turkey’s membership, that would be the grand slam of errors,” he said.



The EU was running out of control and thank god the british people and govt have had the foresight to take action. This may  well signal the end of the EU as we know it as more countries question what is happening. Do we really want to see a million turks with free access to the UK ...utter madness.
 Change is needed and is being led by the British People
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 11:04:50 AM
Both sides lied and spun. Therefore you can't blame voters for finding it difficult to make an informed decision. It is all Cameron's fault and now he's running away rather than facing the consequences and fulfilling his promise. I expect he received an almighty shove to resign but that's just added to the turmoil. Financial instability was on the cards anyway with the continued rise in borrowing in my opinion.

What matters now is for someone to take control, set out a clear timetable and some financial plans. The deafening silence is a disgrace and just adds to the uncertainty. Our political classes are clearly not fit for purpose.

I totally agree.

However, who is there that can do the job and won't be tarnished by the referendum ?

There is a meeting now of the main members of the EU, but again they can't go forward with cooperation from the UK government.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 25, 2016, 11:05:29 AM
It wasn't a majority of the electorate Myster.

Besides,  the petition system is part of democracy.

Are you opposed to democracy ?

N.B. Watching some of the people yesterday who voted for exit was quite illuminating. Most of them couldn't come up with reasons why they had and they hadn't a clue about the consequences of such a decision.

It was a majority of those who voted, which has traditionally been the decision. We don't have petitions when a General  Election upsets people, why the heck should we have one for a referendum? What if the exit vote increases? More petitions?

If you haven't clicked by now that the media choose who to speak to so they can push an agenda I give up! How often do they speak to job seekers who aren't chavs?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 11:09:31 AM
The Brexit debate has created an “opportunity to re-found Europe”, Nicolas Sarkozy has said, but the former French president warned that Britain's departure from the European Union would go down as part of a “grand slam of errors” for the continent.

Mr Sarkozy, 61, who leads France's main centre-Right opposition party, The Republicans, said that Europe requires a new treaty, notably to better manage its borders, regardless of whether Britain remained in the bloc.

“The debate on Brexit is an opportunity to re-found Europe. On many of their criticisms, the British are right,” he told Le Monde.

“The fact that people have given up on Europe is a major cause for concern for all countries. I am totally against the UK leaving Europe. The worst would be Brexit plus Turkey’s membership, that would be the grand slam of errors,” he said.



The EU was running out of control and thank god the british people and govt have had the foresight to take action. This may  well signal the end of the EU as we know it as more countries question what is happening. Do we really want to see a million turks with free access to the UK ...utter madness.
 Change is needed and is being led by the British People

But, the leftist libtard spoiled brats, they want open borders, & they're not going home until they get it.

They'll stamp their feet & cry, & anyone who doesn't agree with them is racist.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3658671/This-vote-doesn-t-represent-younger-generation-live-consequences-Millennials-fury-baby-boomers-voting-Britain-EU.html
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 11:13:25 AM
It was a majority of those who voted, which has traditionally been the decision. We don't have petitions when a General  Election upsets people, why the heck should we have one for a referendum? What if the exit vote increases? More petitions?

If you haven't clicked by now that the media choose who to speak to so they can push an agenda I give up! How often do they speak to job seekers who aren't chavs?

I voted against the last wasteful, war mongering labour lot for years.

I wasn't crying in the streets when I didn't get my way.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 11:16:08 AM
It was a majority of those who voted, which has traditionally been the decision. We don't have petitions when a General  Election upsets people, why the heck should we have one for a referendum? What if the exit vote increases? More petitions?

If you haven't clicked by now that the media choose who to speak to so they can push an agenda I give up! How often do they speak to job seekers who aren't chavs?

I am well aware of the latter part of your post.

I have also seen on here the attitude of so called thinking people to the referendum debate, as well as in everyday conversations.

A lot of the little Englander cliched phrases have appeared on here, along with the predictions we can do things all by our self. Yet we live in a world where in reality, younger people can see beyond national boundaries and are not harnessed by nationalistic obsessions.

You can still be British, yet be part of a wider community.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 11:17:34 AM
I voted against the last wasteful, war mongering labour lot for years.

I wasn't crying in the streets when I didn't get my way.

The conservatives voted for the wars as well Spam.

Have you forgotten that ?

Look at at the mess UK governments have helped create in the Middle East.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 11:18:30 AM
But, the leftist libtard spoiled brats, they want open borders, & they're not going home until they get it.

They'll stamp their feet & cry, & anyone who doesn't agree with them is racist.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3658671/This-vote-doesn-t-represent-younger-generation-live-consequences-Millennials-fury-baby-boomers-voting-Britain-EU.html

You 'apparently' support the EDL.

So what does that make you ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 25, 2016, 11:18:53 AM
It wasn't a majority of the electorate Myster.

Besides,  the petition system is part of democracy.

Are you opposed to democracy ?

N.B. Watching some of the people yesterday who voted for exit was quite illuminating. Most of them couldn't come up with reasons why they had and they hadn't a clue about the consequences of such a decision.

You carry on with your economic pessimism, stephen. The referendum is over and imo the correct decision made, so I'm looking forward to a future free from the shackles of Europe.

Although some people should never be allowed anywhere near a polling station...

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/i-really-regret-my-vote-now-the-brexit-voters-who-wish-theyd-voted-to-remain-a3280361.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/i-really-regret-my-vote-now-the-brexit-voters-who-wish-theyd-voted-to-remain-a3280361.html)
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 11:23:29 AM
You carry on with your economic pessimism, stephen. The referendum is over and imo the correct decision made, so I'm looking forward to a future free from the shackles of Europe.

Although some people should never be allowed anywhere near a polling station...

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/i-really-regret-my-vote-now-the-brexit-voters-who-wish-theyd-voted-to-remain-a3280361.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/i-really-regret-my-vote-now-the-brexit-voters-who-wish-theyd-voted-to-remain-a3280361.html)

IYO.

That says it all.

As to 'pessimism', we are now seeing as forecasted the results of a 'leave' vote.

Have you studied Economics ?



Oh, by the way Myster, how has this country being a member of the EU hurt you ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 11:25:38 AM
You 'apparently' support the EDL.

So what does that make you ?

 &%&£(+

 @)(++(*

You tw@ stephen!

Can you not tell wummery when you see it anymore?!

The EDL are a bunch of idiot, pisshead football hooligans. (Hint: This is my genuine opinion on the racist wankers of the EDL).


Muslamic Ray Guns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPD8qHhtVU

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 11:30:31 AM
&%&£(+

 @)(++(*

You tw@ stephen!

Can you not tell wummery when you see it anymore?!

The EDL are a bunch of idiot, pisshead football hooligans. (Hint: This is my genuine opinion on the racist wankers of the EDL).


Muslamic Ray Guns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPD8qHhtVU

So why the need to try to wind people up.

Try giving your genuine views, if you have any.

I am well aware of the 'muslamic ray guns' reference already. 8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 25, 2016, 12:34:41 PM
Well the votes have been cast and we have a result.
There is now a job to be done sorting out all the "I didn't expect that to happen bits" in order that the UK can function. Like redrafting laws and standards because one cannot have a void in such matters. That could take up to ten years so one can foresee a vote to keep all the old EU laws and harmonised standards changing them "as and when". So having had a vote that is one of the most important in my lifetime, UK's wonderful leaders are apparently going to hang about for three months with their fingers up their arses.
One does rather incline to the view they did not see this coming.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 12:38:51 PM
Well the votes have been cast and we have a result.
There is now a job to be done sorting out all the "I didn't expect that to happen bits" in order that the UK can function. Like redrafting laws and standards because one cannot have a void in such matters. That could take up to ten years so one can foresee a vote to keep all the old EU laws and harmonised standards changing them "as and when". So having had a vote that is one of the most important in my lifetime, UK's wonderful leaders are apparently going to hang about for three months with their fingers up their arses.
One does rather incline to the view they did not see this coming.

They probably thought that most voters with an iota of common sense could see beyond meaningless slogans.


 Can anyone on here answer the questions of how they think the EU has spoilt their lives or eroded their 'britishness'  ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 25, 2016, 12:40:55 PM
Marching on.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

I am not much for petitions, and neither am I normally in favour of re-voting a referendum ....but this is such a grave matter that I have signed the petition.

I think that a great many unthinking people, who didn't understand the consequences, were swayed by the propaganda and razzmatazz etc. .... and now want to change their minds.

May I suggest that others of you who now realise what a mess we have made of it, sign this petition now..  I think it is being considered tomorrow.  So not much time





Thank you stephen for posting the address.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 12:43:05 PM
I am not much for petitions, and neither am I normally in favour of re-voting a referendum ....but this is such a grave matter that I have signed the petition.

I think that a great many unthinking people, who didn't understand the consequences, were swayed by the propaganda and razzmatazz etc. .... and now want to change their minds.

May I suggest that others of you who now realise what a mess we have made of it, sign this petition now..  I think it is being considered tomorrow.  So not much time





Thank you stephen for posting the address.

That is my pleasure Sadie. I have signed too.

It is pleasant to be in agreement with you.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 25, 2016, 12:46:15 PM
That is my pleasure Sadie. I have signed too.

It is pleasant to be in agreement with you.

Yep.  Nice that we are not at each others throats  8((()*/

I have changed my signature to include the petition address.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 25, 2016, 12:49:26 PM
They probably thought that most voters with an iota of common sense could see beyond meaningless slogans.


 Can anyone on here answer the questions of how they think the EU has spoilt their lives or eroded their 'britishness'  ?

it certainly hasn't spoilt my life but we simply cannot allow unlimited immigration into this country...anyone who cannot see that is blind.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 12:49:49 PM
Yep.  Nice that we are not at each others throats  8((()*/

I have changed my signature to include the petition address.

I'll be petitioning against this petition.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 25, 2016, 12:51:11 PM
I am well aware of the latter part of your post.

I have also seen on here the attitude of so called thinking people to the referendum debate, as well as in everyday conversations.

A lot of the little Englander cliched phrases have appeared on here, along with the predictions we can do things all by our self. Yet we live in a world where in reality, younger people can see beyond national boundaries and are not harnessed by nationalistic obsessions.

You can still be British, yet be part of a wider community.

I haven't been decrying belonging to 'wider communities'. I am all in favour of the Commonwealth and NATO, for example.

My argument is that free movement of European people plus immigration from elsewhere could lead to a situation where national boundaries become meaningless. If all European nations have similar ethnic mixes why have nations? People can't ignore that future possibility because it's there and it's real. Being 'British' then becomes a geographical distinction only. How far do you want to go?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 12:52:51 PM
it certainly hasn't spoilt my life but we simply cannot allow unlimited immigration into this country...anyone who cannot see that is blind.

I agree with you dave, .....&.....you made me laugh yesterday.

...but don't expect a xmas card.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 25, 2016, 12:54:00 PM
I agree with you dave, .....&.....you made me laugh yesterday.

...but don't expect a xmas card.
@)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 25, 2016, 12:59:38 PM
That is my pleasure Sadie. I have signed too.

It is pleasant to be in agreement with you.

lets say your petition gets 5 million votes...why should such a small group carry any weight when a much larger group has voted to leave
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 25, 2016, 01:05:25 PM
How come there was none of this whinging from the remainers when they thought they would win the referendum...


total sour grapes.......would they have objected to the result if they had won by the same margin...of course not
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 25, 2016, 01:06:11 PM
&%&£(+

 @)(++(*

You tw@ stephen!

Can you not tell wummery when you see it anymore?!

The EDL are a bunch of idiot, pisshead football hooligans. (Hint: This is my genuine opinion on the racist wankers of the EDL).


Muslamic Ray Guns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPD8qHhtVU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPD8qHhtVU

 @)(++(*

I admit I couldn't hear the words so my laughter may be inappropriate

But that guys deadpan, missing brain cells singing was Soooo funny
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 25, 2016, 01:08:21 PM
lets say your petition gets 5 million votes...why should such a small group carry any weight when a much larger group has voted to leave

I'm hoping that people come to their senses and it gets FAR MORE than 5 million votes.

But pls get cracking and repair the damage.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 25, 2016, 01:15:21 PM
it certainly hasn't spoilt my life but we simply cannot allow unlimited immigration into this country...anyone who cannot see that is blind.

It hasn't spoilt mine either, but I see the news and I see the problems we have had so far, as with schools, for example. Perhaps those who like the idea of unlimited immigration could explain what they think will happen if it continues unchecked and they find their grandchildren are the only ones speaking English in their classroom? That's not being racist, it's being practical.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 01:20:06 PM
How do we provide affordable housing (& public services) to meet population growth, regardless of immmigration?

Build on the green belt?

Can no one see the problem with that?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 01:23:32 PM

Overpopulation, it's a world problem no one wants to mention.

Abortion is green, try sodomy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjsikRTIX28
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 25, 2016, 01:26:58 PM
It hasn't spoilt mine either, but I see the news and I see the problems we have had so far, as with schools, for example. Perhaps those who like the idea of unlimited immigration could explain what they think will happen if it continues unchecked and they find their grandchildren are the only ones speaking English in their classroom? That's not being racist, it's being practical.
yes i will agree to that,good point 8@??)(
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 25, 2016, 01:27:35 PM
I'm hoping that people come to their senses and it gets FAR MORE than 5 million votes.

But pls get cracking and repair the damage.

It would be interesting to hear why you hold the views you do Sadie, but as you seem to have a habit of presenting your opinions without explaining them I won't hold my breath.

It seems to be a theme of the remain faction who think they have the right answers and those who disagree are lacking in some way. I don't much care for Boris Johnson but the personal attacks on him by those remain women in that debate didn't help their cause one bit imo.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 25, 2016, 01:29:59 PM
lets say your petition gets 5 million votes...why should such a small group carry any weight when a much larger group has voted to leave
exactly we asked for a vote we got it.now we must respect it 8(0(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 25, 2016, 01:38:04 PM
How do we provide affordable housing (& public services) to meet population growth, regardless of immmigration?

Build on the green belt?

Can no one see the problem with that?

Now we are out of the EU and not subject to the CAP we can build on the land farmers have been paid not to farm buy nabbing it under CPO's.
Ducks for cover...with the cry of "incoming".
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 25, 2016, 01:51:28 PM
remember we are still in the commonwealth ,why not give member countrys the same immigration rights as we give the eu countrys.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 02:13:44 PM
May I ask you roughly where your farm is?

I am not asking you to nail it to a specific locality, just a general region.

From what you have said, I get the impression N Ireland.  If this is so, since I also get the impression that N Ireland in the main voted to remain, so how did that come about and what should now be done about it, if anything.

On to a much lesser point, N Ireland v Wales in Euro 2016.  I am struggling to come up with a special menu for this.  Wales v England was hard enough to get beyond Welsh lamb and leeks.  On the Ulster side, I am doubly struggling, perhaps because it is difficult to separate N Irish recipes from Republic of Ireland recipes.  Suggestions are welcome.

The only reason N Ireland voted #remain was because half the country voted on the same old ethnic cultural political lines. The other half voted on the basis of the potential economic impact.  Thus the 55% remain and 45% leave result.


On the subject of culinary possibilities, a bit late now but an Ulster fry for breakfast which can also be served with afternoon tea.
For dinner, potato and leek soup starter.

Some other local specialities include:

Champ (known as 'Poundies' in some areas) – a delicious comfort food dish of potatoes mashed with lots of butter, warm milk and chopped spring onions or, as we call them, scallions. We also love our spuds fried, roast, baked and simply boiled in their ‘jackets’ to be peeled ceremoniously at the table.

Irish Stew - a hearty casserole traditionally made with meat, potatoes, carrots and onions. The Ulster variety is made with steak pieces instead of lamb – cooked to a peppery slush and often served with thick slices of buttered bread.

Dulse – a salty, seaweed snack, originally harvested by fishermen to supplement their income when fishing was slack. Found at markets, and in some bars, it is also used in Robert Ditty’s sesame seed and dulse oatcakes, and in the Causeway Cheese Company’s cheese, and it can add a very pleasant saline edge to a loaf of soda bread.

Lough Neagh eel – traditionally eaten at Hallowe’en and served fried in chunks with a white onion sauce, also often smoked and served as a starter.

Potato bread farl – a dense, earthy flat bread, made with potatoes, flour, and buttermilk and cooked on a griddle. This bread is the heart of every Ulster Fry and a must-buy foodie souvenir.

Soda bread farl - first baked in 19th century Ireland when local peasants added baking soda to help the dough rise. The result is thick, chunky soft bread with fluffy consistency that is best served fried as part of the Ulster Fry, or toasted with a big dollop of butter. They are also the base for popular Paddy’s Pizzas.

Wheaten bread - a healthy brown bread made with whole wheat flour and delicious toasted with melted cheese or buttered and served with a big bowl of steaming broth.

Yellow man – a crunchy golden confectionery often confused with honeycomb, but similar in texture, sold at fairs and markets.

Vegetable roll – well actually its thick slices of a fatty meat from the trimmings of brisket and rib with seasoning of fresh vegetables, usually celery, leek, carrot and onion. It was traditionally part of an Ulster Fry but now more often served at lunch or dinner with mashed potato or champ, and mashed swede or turnip.

Steak & Guinness pies – Steak & Guinness pie is the pub grub of choice in most parts of Ulster. The meat is cooked first, and then a pie dish is lined with puff pastry, filled with the beef and then topped with the pastry. It differs from the UK pastry-topped pie, in that the pastry is both on top and underneath, the meat. Butchers sell a wide range of pies with fillings such as mince and onion or chicken and ham.

Ardglass potted herring – not to be confused with roll mops, this dish was created in the days when herrings were plentiful. Each family has its own secret variation, but often they are wrapped around onion, bay leaf and all-spice with a 50:50 mixture of malt vinegar and water, topped with breadcrumbs and baked.

Traditional butcher’s sausages – the fine-textured sausage typical in Northern Ireland is very distinct from continental styles, and each butcher has his own unique family recipe, usually made with natural casings and hand-linked. Beef sausages seem peculiar to the north of Ireland, although they are also found in Scotland.

Pasties – this comforting mixture of sausage meat, onions, mashed potato is shaped like a burger, and always spiced with loads and loads of black pepper. You can order them plain, battered (the chip shop favourite) or coated with golden breadcrumbs.

Boxty – predominately found in County Fermanagh, Boxty is a weighty, starchy potato cake made with 50:50 mix of cooked mashed potatoes and grated, strained, raw potato. The most common variety is boiled boxty, also known as hurley, a large round loaf which is boiled whole for several hours, allowed to rest and then sliced and fried, often with bacon.

Buttermilk – a by-product of churning butter on the farm, buttermilk is responsible for the distinctive flavour and texture of Northern Irish breads – soda farls, potato bread, pancakes and wheaten bread.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 02:26:01 PM
Oh My god!... Schulz needs to get that scruffy beard shaved off before he appears in public again! Frightening!

A dapper Farage letting rip...

Love him or hate him one has to admit he's bloody good at what the does.  Notice the guy next to Juncker pissing himself laughing.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 02:32:25 PM
 “If I would say now that we have a Plan B, this would indicate a kind of willingness of the Commission to envisage seriously that Britain could leave the European Union,” Mr Juncker said.

“We don’t have a Plan B. We have a Plan A. Britain will stay in the European Union as a constructive and active member.”

Jean-Claude Juncker

16th Feb 2016.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12160416/Jean-Claude-Juncker-Ive-no-Plan-B-because-Britain-will-not-leave.html
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 02:36:59 PM
“If I would say now that we have a Plan B, this would indicate a kind of willingness of the Commission to envisage seriously that Britain could leave the European Union,” Mr Juncker said.

“We don’t have a Plan B. We have a Plan A. Britain will stay in the European Union as a constructive and active member.”

Jean-Claude Juncker

16th Feb 2016.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12160416/Jean-Claude-Juncker-Ive-no-Plan-B-because-Britain-will-not-leave.html

That was what he thought back in February but the chickens have now come home to roost.  The UK is out of the EU and effectively rudderless thanks to a gutless PM who cares more about his own credibility than he does for the wellbeing of this country.  There is no hiding the truth, David Cameron is a liar.  He stated before the referendum that he wanted the people to decide and regardless of the decision he would continue to work for the best interest of the country.

Cameron made a big mistake in taking the lead and campaigning for remain.  He should have left that to someone else and remained impartial throughout the process.  By promoting remain so passionately followed by being defeated so definitely he has lost the credibility so essential to be the leader of the UK.  A massive fail on all counts!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 02:38:35 PM
“If I would say now that we have a Plan B, this would indicate a kind of willingness of the Commission to envisage seriously that Britain could leave the European Union,” Mr Juncker said.

“We don’t have a Plan B. We have a Plan A. Britain will stay in the European Union as a constructive and active member.”

Jean-Claude Juncker

16th Feb 2016.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12160416/Jean-Claude-Juncker-Ive-no-Plan-B-because-Britain-will-not-leave.html

So what plan do the likes of Johnson and Gove have now, after the result they didn't expect ?


Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 02:43:32 PM
I haven't been decrying belonging to 'wider communities'. I am all in favour of the Commonwealth and NATO, for example.

My argument is that free movement of European people plus immigration from elsewhere could lead to a situation where national boundaries become meaningless. If all European nations have similar ethnic mixes why have nations? People can't ignore that future possibility because it's there and it's real. Being 'British' then becomes a geographical distinction only. How far do you want to go?


I was watching several owners of businesses on TV this morning.

They stated they can't recruit enough of the people they need in the UK.

So if we block migration from the EU , what next ?

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 02:46:38 PM
So what plan do the likes of Johnson and Gove have now, after the result they didn't expect ?

I'm sure they're working on it as we speak, that which Cameron should have organised before he even called a referendum in the first place.

I'm in favour of Boris.

I have a feeling though, that the Tory members might disagree.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 02:48:30 PM

I was watching several owners of businesses on TV this morning.

They stated they can't recruit enough of the people they need in the UK.

So if we block migration from the EU , what next ?

Maybe they should try harder.  There are thousands of young people out there without jobs.  In any event nobody is talking about blocking recruitment of skilled professionals from anywhere in the world.  Let them come and work, let them send money home and let them go home at the end of it.  A work permit should not be an open door to citizenship.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 02:58:41 PM
Maybe they should try harder.  There are thousands of young people out there without jobs.  In any event nobody is talking about blocking recruitment of skilled professionals from anywhere in the world.  Let them come and work, let them send money home and let them go home at the end of it.  A work permit should not be an open door to citizenship.

What has stopped these young people getting off their backsidesin the UK, working hard and, getting the qualifications they need ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 25, 2016, 03:00:08 PM
Maybe they should try harder.  There are thousands of young people out there without jobs.  In any event nobody is talking about blocking recruitment of skilled professionals from anywhere in the world.  Let them come and work, let them send money home and let them go home at the end of it.  A work permit should not be an open door to citizenship.

Rather a few too many with degrees in Bob Dylan and NVQs in Nail Art but that's another story.

"Nevertheless, under the United Kingdom's immigration arrangements Commonwealth citizens enjoy certain advantages:

    Commonwealth citizens born before 1 January 1983 may by virtue of having a parent born in the United Kingdom and Islands have the right of abode therein – such persons are exempt from all immigration control.
    Commonwealth citizens with a grandparent born in the United Kingdom and Islands may be admitted for up to five years on this basis, and thereafter be granted indefinite leave to remain.
    Commonwealth citizens between the ages of 18 and 30 were eligible to be admitted for a "working holiday" for up to two years. This has since been replaced with the more restrictive Youth Mobility Scheme[4] (now open only to youth of Australia, Canada, Japan, New Zealand, and Monaco).
    Commonwealth citizens, unlike other non-European Economic Area nationals, may not be required to register with the police while living in the United Kingdom".
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 03:02:54 PM
I'm sure they're working on it as we speak, that which Cameron should have organised before he even called a referendum in the first place.

I'm in favour of Boris.

I have a feeling though, that the Tory members might disagree.

Let's see first if Boris could organise a P up in a brewery. *&*%£

I feel sure his degree in Classical History and Philosophy will help. 8)-)))
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 03:05:51 PM
Rather a few too many with degrees in Bob Dylan and NVQs in Nail Art but that's another story.

"Nevertheless, under the United Kingdom's immigration arrangements Commonwealth citizens enjoy certain advantages:

    Commonwealth citizens born before 1 January 1983 may by virtue of having a parent born in the United Kingdom and Islands have the right of abode therein – such persons are exempt from all immigration control.
    Commonwealth citizens with a grandparent born in the United Kingdom and Islands may be admitted for up to five years on this basis, and thereafter be granted indefinite leave to remain.
    Commonwealth citizens between the ages of 18 and 30 were eligible to be admitted for a "working holiday" for up to two years. This has since been replaced with the more restrictive Youth Mobility Scheme[4] (now open only to youth of Australia, Canada, Japan, New Zealand, and Monaco).
    Commonwealth citizens, unlike other non-European Economic Area nationals, may not be required to register with the police while living in the United Kingdom".


I wonder how many members of the Commonwealth could officially live here then ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 03:11:47 PM
Let's see first if Boris could organise a P up in a brewery. *&*%£

I feel sure his degree in Classical History and Philosophy will help. 8)-)))

He certainly can act, perfect for the job, PM's are only puppets anyway.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 03:14:48 PM
He certainly can act, perfect for the job, PM's are only puppets anyway.


Actually with is acting ability he would be perfect in the Wizard of Oz as the Scarecrow 8((()*/.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 25, 2016, 03:18:02 PM
I'm sure they're working on it as we speak, that which Cameron should have organised before he even called a referendum in the first place.

I'm in favour of Boris.

I have a feeling though, that the Tory members might disagree.

IF .. we are going it alone, how about Ian Duncan Smith ?  Just a suggestion.

What he lacks in charisma he makes up for in integrity ... or so I was told.


Seems that he has no agenda to push, nobody pulling his strings

And he was on the side of #leave


Anyone know anything about him?

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 03:26:51 PM
That was what he thought back in February but the chickens have now come home to roost.  The UK is out of the EU and effectively rudderless thanks to a gutless PM who cares more about his own credibility than he does for the wellbeing of this country.  There is no hiding the truth, David Cameron is a liar.  He stated before the referendum that he wanted the people to decide and regardless of the decision he would continue to work for the best interest of the country.

Cameron made a big mistake in taking the lead and campaigning for remain.  He should have left that to someone else and remained impartial throughout the process.  By promoting remain so passionately followed by being defeated so definitely he has lost the credibility so essential to be the leader of the UK.  A massive fail on all counts!

Cameron: I will not quit if UK votes for Brexit

9th March 2016

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/14331811.Cameron__I_will_not_quit_if_UK_votes_for_Brexit/?ref=rss

5th Jan 2016

“Our aim is to set forward a choice for the British people that they want, they can either choose to stay in a reformed EU or to leave a EU.

He added: “And come what may, I will continue to lead the government in the way I have.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/01/05/david-cameron-hints-he-wont-quit-as-pm-even-if-he-loses-his-eu-referendum_n_8917030.html
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 03:31:58 PM

David Cameron: I won't quit if Britain votes to leave EU

12th May 2014

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/12/david-cameron-wont-quit-britain-eu-referendum
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 03:36:10 PM
What has stopped these young people getting off their backsidesin the UK, working hard and, getting the qualifications they need ?

Hmm...let's see. Could it be that our colleges and universities in England are full of 1st and 2nd generation immigrants.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 03:39:09 PM
Cameron: I will not quit if UK votes for Brexit

9th March 2016

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/14331811.Cameron__I_will_not_quit_if_UK_votes_for_Brexit/?ref=rss

5th Jan 2016

“Our aim is to set forward a choice for the British people that they want, they can either choose to stay in a reformed EU or to leave a EU.

He added: “And come what may, I will continue to lead the government in the way I have.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/01/05/david-cameron-hints-he-wont-quit-as-pm-even-if-he-loses-his-eu-referendum_n_8917030.html

Exactly, what a loser he turned out to be.    @)(++(*

BORIS FOR PRESIDENT            BORIS FOR PRESIDENT              BORIS FOR PRESIDENT               BORIS FOR PRESIDENT                BORIS FOR PRESIDENT                 BORIS FOR PRESIDENT                  BORIS FOR PRESIDENT                   BORIS FOR PRESIDENT        @)(++(*    @)(++(*      @)(++(*
     
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 03:55:16 PM
Oh dear bet camerons getting drunk too


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/top-eu-leader-we-want-britain-out-as-soon-as-possible

Boris beats this hands down.  Jean-Claude Juncker pissed as a newt.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 25, 2016, 04:09:15 PM
Remember Sir Digby Jones? Perhaps he could help our clueless politicians? What were people saying about being lied to?

At the last, that is what yesterday was all about. The ability to elect and/or kick out those who make the rules that affect our lives and a revolution against the patronising "Nanny Knows Best" brigade. From Trades Unions to Big Business, from overseas leaders promising "punishment" and "isolation" to domestic politicians in their Westminster Bubble so far removed from the woman or man in the street it is almost painful to watch, they have been told democracy is not for sale to threats of economic Armageddon.

Memo to those who seek to govern: if you patronise electorates for over forty years, deny them a say and tell them there isn't a problem, don't be surprised when, at the first opportunity, they tell you the Emperor has no clothes and they give you a bloody nose!


http://www.digbylordjones.com/well-my-friends....a-brave-new-morning.html
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 25, 2016, 04:19:12 PM
Leicester students spoof Petition attracts over 1.7 million signatures.   8@??)(   @)(++(*

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 04:37:13 PM
Hmm...let's see. Could it be that our colleges and universities in Engla

Or are full of 1st and 2nd generation immigrants.

No.

Stop making excuses.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 04:44:16 PM
Leicester students spoof Petition attracts over 1.7 million signatures.   8@??)(   @)(++(*

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

What spoof Angelo ?

Just checked.

It is on the Gov.uk website.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 25, 2016, 04:46:51 PM
Hmm...let's see. Could it be that our colleges and universities in England are full of 1st and 2nd generation immigrants.

When my daughter was in the first year of her course at university there were 85 students
Only 5 of them white
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 25, 2016, 04:49:15 PM
Leicester students spoof Petition attracts over 1.7 million signatures.   8@??)(   @)(++(*

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

And Stephens signed it
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 05:00:45 PM
And Stephens signed it

A student with Aspergers Syndrome apparently set it up as a dare.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 05:02:50 PM
No.

Stop making excuses.

You should know if you teach in London.

I notice some idiots like David Lammy are calling for Parliament to overrule the democratic vote.   Dangerous times ahead but then anything worth fighting for...
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 05:03:10 PM
A student with Aspergers Syndrome apparently set it up as a dare.

It's an official petition John.



Over 1.8 million at the last count. It will have to be reviewed by parliament.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 05:04:49 PM
You should know if you teach in London.

Are you saying John that English students can't compete   ?

That sounds racist. 8)-)))
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 25, 2016, 05:06:16 PM
Let's see first if Boris could organise a P up in a brewery. *&*%£

I feel sure his degree in Classical History and Philosophy will help. 8)-)))

He is a mere MP at present without a ministerial post.
Rumour has it he will be Minister in Charge of Sorting out Cock Ups in Theresa May's government.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 05:06:25 PM
It's an official petition John.



Over 1.8 million at the last count. It will have to be reviewed by parliament.

Anyone can create a Petition.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 05:07:39 PM
Anyone can create a Petition.

Wow.

I didn't know that. *&*%£
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 05:07:59 PM
Are you saying John that English students can't compete   ?

That sounds racist. 8)-)))

English students are being squeezed out by foreigners.  It is happening everywhere.  Race and ethnicity have nothing to do with it.

http://institutions.ukcisa.org.uk//info-for-universities-colleges--schools/policy-research--statistics/research--statistics/international-students-in-uk-he/

At one interview she was one of 13 candidates for five jobs, which all went to EU nurses.
Another said her daughter, a nurse, found jobs ‘were all filled by overseas candidates. She had no choice but to work in the private sector.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2878312/80-000-UK-students-told-t-train-nurse-Thousands-t-courses-despite-four-five-new-NHS-workers-foreign.html#ixzz4CbmjITm3

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 05:09:02 PM
He is a mere MP at present without a ministerial post.
Rumour has it he will be Minister in Charge of Sorting out Cock Ups in Theresa May's government.

I could make a suggestion there, but it might be rude. 8**8:/:
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 05:09:56 PM
English students are being squeezed out by foreigners.  It is happening everywhere.  Race and ethnicity have nothing to do with it.

Utter rubbish.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 25, 2016, 05:10:51 PM
Parliament won't give a pointless petition the time of day. The people have already spoken
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 25, 2016, 05:10:59 PM
Are you saying John that English students can't compete   ?

That sounds racist. 8)-)))

English is not a nationality... Evidently
It's British
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 05:11:40 PM
Parliament won't give a pointless petition the time of day. The people have already spoken

You forget most M.P.'s wanted to stay in the EU.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 25, 2016, 05:14:32 PM
English students are being squeezed out by foreigners.  It is happening everywhere.  Race and ethnicity have nothing to do with it.

You are absolutely right John and my previous post shows first hand experience
Asian children listen to their parents
That's why they are all studying Medicine , Law and Dentistry
Whilst the white British study media studies
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 25, 2016, 05:15:14 PM
Love him or hate him one has to admit he's bloody good at what the does.  Notice the guy next to Juncker pissing himself laughing.

Farage's quick, incisive analytical brain making mincemeat of Widow Twankey. Why on earth that unintelligible, babbling, attention-seeking idiot was let loose on Question Time is beyond me? He's not even funny and never has been!

I just hope Farage's alleged heavy drinking and smoking doesn't take a toll on his health.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 25, 2016, 05:16:03 PM
You forget most M.P.'s wanted to stay in the EU.

I did point that out last week
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 25, 2016, 05:16:42 PM
When my daughter was in the first year of her course at university there were 85 students
Only 5 of them white

So of the 80 how many were UK citizens and how many were here under some Commonwealth "easement".
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 05:17:10 PM
Utter rubbish.

You really need to get out more.

Scottish children 'being squeezed out of university' by EU competitors getting free tuition
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/21/scottish-children-being-squeezed-out-of-university-by-eu-competi/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 25, 2016, 05:17:32 PM
You forget most M.P.'s wanted to stay in the EU.
Uh uh!...  they'll be committing political suicide if they do go against the referendum result.  8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 25, 2016, 05:26:38 PM
So of the 80 how many were UK citizens and how many were here under some Commonwealth "easement".

As far as I know the vast majority were the 1st and 2nd generation John was referring to
Just a few oversea
I have no problem with this
Just an observation
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 05:29:27 PM
You really need to get out more.

Scottish children 'being squeezed out of university' by EU competitors getting free tuition
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/21/scottish-children-being-squeezed-out-of-university-by-eu-competi/

Is that all you can do.

From a Brexit paper. *&*%£
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 25, 2016, 05:31:50 PM
Stephen expects the govt to listen to a couple of million who sign a petition and ignore the 17 and a half million who voted for Brexit
What sort of logic is that
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 05:35:40 PM
Is that all you can do.

From a Brexit paper. *&*%£

I know this to be can fact from my own son who has just completed an honours degree.  It is your claim therefore that is rubbish.

This whole EU shambles will escalate with more foreigners demanding referendums on membership in their own countries.  The ball has started to roll and is gaining momentum, there will be no stopping now regardless of spineless politicians.

The #leave supporters are in the majority.  Removal of the 2 million nationalist vote results in 17½ million leave to 14 million remain.

It is interesting that in Scotland, out of an electorate of 4 million, only 1.6 million voted remain and Sturgeon somehow considers this a catalyst for independence.  I think she really needs to wise up.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 25, 2016, 05:35:46 PM
Not only that John
Many EU youngsters have realised they can sign up for a college course
Take the loan they will never repay
Spend it
And never attend the course
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 25, 2016, 05:39:51 PM
English students are being squeezed out by foreigners.  It is happening everywhere.  Race and ethnicity have nothing to do with it.

http://institutions.ukcisa.org.uk//info-for-universities-colleges--schools/policy-research--statistics/research--statistics/international-students-in-uk-he/

At one interview she was one of 13 candidates for five jobs, which all went to EU nurses.
Another said her daughter, a nurse, found jobs ‘were all filled by overseas candidates. She had no choice but to work in the private sector.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2878312/80-000-UK-students-told-t-train-nurse-Thousands-t-courses-despite-four-five-new-NHS-workers-foreign.html#ixzz4CbmjITm3

These two bits caught my eye.

"In the past, training nurses was far cheaper because they could learn as apprentices in hospitals. But a system brought in during the 1990s required all nurses to have a degree".

"Last month the Mail visited a recruitment fair in Porto, Portugal, where Bedford Hospital hired 25 nurses. They were offered contracts without any formal English tests and some were even given help filling in the application form".


Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 25, 2016, 05:43:16 PM
These two bits caught my eye.

"In the past, training nurses was far cheaper because they could learn as apprentices in hospitals. But a system brought in during the 1990s required all nurses to have a degree".

"Last month the Mail visited a recruitment fair in Porto, Portugal, where Bedford Hospital hired 25 nurses. They were offered contracts without any formal English tests and some were even given help filling in the application form".


It costs about £250,000 to train a doctor
Why train one when you can get one free from Poland
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 25, 2016, 05:44:12 PM
You really need to get out more.

Scottish children 'being squeezed out of university' by EU competitors getting free tuition
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/21/scottish-children-being-squeezed-out-of-university-by-eu-competi/

Lack of forward planning by SNP.
RTFSPS
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 05:50:54 PM
I know this to be can fact from my own son who has just completed an honours degree.  It is your claim therefore that is rubbish.

This whole EU shambles will escalate with more foreigners demanding referendums on membership in their own countries.  The ball has started to roll and is gaining momentum, there will be no stopping now regardless of spineless politicians.

Well as far as I am concerned your claim is simply pandering to xenophobia John.

....and quite frankly I have somewhat more experience of the profession I work in
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 25, 2016, 05:52:08 PM
These two bits caught my eye.

"In the past, training nurses was far cheaper because they could learn as apprentices in hospitals. But a system brought in during the 1990s required all nurses to have a degree".

"Last month the Mail visited a recruitment fair in Porto, Portugal, where Bedford Hospital hired 25 nurses. They were offered contracts without any formal English tests and some were even given help filling in the application form".


Last week in A & E we had a lovely doctor. I think she was Nigerian. The problem was neither I nor my husband could quite grasp what questions she was asking. We had to keep asking her to repeat them. It wasn't her fault or ours, but it does add to the stress if someone is unwell.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 05:52:42 PM
By the way John would you care to give a cite showing the breakdown of students at University.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 25, 2016, 05:53:48 PM
It costs about £250,000 to train a doctor
Why train one when you can get one free from Poland

That sounds remarkably cheap.

Heart = pump
Arteries = distribution network
Veins = service pipework
Valve = valve

Instead of cardiologists and cardiac surgeons just call a Polish plumber  8(0(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 05:55:40 PM
That sounds remarkably cheap.

Heart = pump
Arteries = distribution network
Veins = service pipework
Valve = valve

Instead of cardiologists and cardiac surgeons just call a Polish plumber  8(0(*

Nice one Alice . 8((()*/ 8@??)( 8@??)(
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 05:59:32 PM
It costs about £250,000 to train a doctor
Why train one when you can get one free from Poland

Good point and soon we will be able to send him or her home after they exhaust their work permit and get a new one also for free.  And Poland can pick up the pension tab.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 06:02:50 PM
Lack of forward planning by SNP.
RTFSPS

It's the same in England but there it is students with money arriving on student visas and buying places in what has become a lucrative business for most universities.

By the way John would you care to give a cite showing the breakdown of students at University.

Enjoy!

TOP 20 UNIVERSITIES FOR OVERSEAS STUDENTS*
London Business School 71%
London School of Economics 67%
Cranfield 54%
Royal College of Art 53%
Royal College of Music 50%
London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine 49%
Royal Academy of Music 48%
School of Oriental and African Studies 47%
Buckingham 47%
St Andrews 46%
Imperial College 43%
University of the Arts, London 43%
Glyndwr University 43%
University College London 41%
Heriot-Watt 36%
Essex 33%
Warwick 33%
Edinburgh 33%
Sunderland 32%
Lancaster 31%
*Source: Higher Education Statistics Agency 2012/13. Includes undergraduate and postgraduate.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/11246750/Half-of-places-at-top-university-to-go-to-foreign-students.html
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 25, 2016, 06:03:33 PM
Good point and soon we will be able to send him or her home after they exhaust their work permit and get a new one also for free.  And Poland can pick up the pension tab.

Kind of like a pull system of manufacturing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-3R186oPng
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 06:04:04 PM
 
Good point and soon we will be able to send him or her home after they exhaust their work permit and get a new one also for free.  And Poland can pick up the pension tab.

So John can you provide a breakdown of breakdown of students at University in the UK ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 25, 2016, 06:07:49 PM
article 50 must be implemented immediately,cause now the words out we can expect a mad dash to get here while their still can,expect another 5 million otherwise ?{)(**
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 25, 2016, 06:12:44 PM
It's the same in England but there  it is students with money arriving on student visas and buying places in what has become a lucrative business for most universities.

TOP 20 UNIVERSITIES FOR OVERSEAS STUDENTS*
London Business School 71%
London School of Economics 67%
Cranfield 54%
Royal College of Art 53%
Royal College of Music 50%
London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine 49%
Royal Academy of Music 48%
School of Oriental and African Studies 47%
Buckingham 47%
St Andrews 46%
Imperial College 43%
University of the Arts, London 43%
Glyndwr University 43%
University College London 41%
Heriot-Watt 36%
Essex 33%
Warwick 33%
Edinburgh 33%
Sunderland 32%
Lancaster 31%
*Source: Higher Education Statistics Agency 2012/13. Includes undergraduate and postgraduate.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/11246750/Half-of-places-at-top-university-to-go-to-foreign-students.html

I was under the impression there were no tuition fees in Scotland.
Under EU law that means NO tuition fees for students from member states either. That's a no brainer for any EU student who has to pay fees. Except English Welsh and Northern Irish Students who pick up the shitty end of that particular stick.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 06:16:17 PM
I was under the impression there were no tuition fees in Scotland.
Under EU law that means NO tuition fees for students from member states either. That's a no brainer for any EU student who has to pay fees. Except English Welsh and Northern Irish Students who pick up the shitty end of that particular stick.



Rather a biased list.

What about a full list of all universities John. ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 06:16:37 PM
Just been sent this by Spanish friends.


MESSAGE FROM THE SPANISH EMBASSY IN THE UNITED KINGDOM ON THE EU REFERENDUM

24/06/2016

In relation to the recent referendum on the membership of the United Kingdom to the EU, the Embassy of Spain wishes to point out the following:

1. the outcome of the referendum does not mean any change to the legal situation of the Spanish citizens and companies of our country in the United Kingdom, for a period of up to two years which may be extended. The Embassy would like to therefore launch a message of tranquillity to all Spanish citizens who work, reside or visit the United Kingdom or which are personal or professional relations with this country.

2. the United Kingdom must now notify its intention to withdraw from the European Union to the European Council. After such notification, the Union negotiated and held in an agreement that will establish the form of its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union with the United Kingdom.

3. as noted at the beginning, this agreement will be negotiated during a period of up to two years extendable. During that time, the legal and institutional framework between the EU and the United Kingdom will remain unchanged, so there will be no change in relation to the current situation.

4. the EU treaties only will no longer apply to United Kingdom from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, the two years of the notification referred to in point 2, unless agreed to extend the deadline.

5. taking into account the importance of the interests in the presence, the Government of Spain will work within the European institutions to achieve an agreement that is beneficial both for Spain and for the United Kingdom and the EU.

6. the Government of Spain has expressed its desire to strengthen relations between Spain and the United Kingdom at the bilateral level and continue to push forward the dense relationships between Spanish and British citizens in areas such as trade, employment, national communities living in the United Kingdom and Spain, investments and tourism.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 06:17:19 PM
article 50 must be implemented immediately,cause now the words out we can expect a mad dash to get here while their still can,expect another 5 million otherwise ?{)(**

I just saw another elephant fly past the window.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 06:20:53 PM
1.997 million on this 'spoof' petition.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 25, 2016, 06:24:09 PM
I just saw another elephant fly past the window.
were they any immigrants on its back  &%+((£
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 06:26:05 PM
“If we vote to stay, we stay and that’s it,”   “And if we vote to leave, we leave and that’s it. "

"You can’t have neverendums. You have referendums.”
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 06:27:05 PM
were they any immigrants on its back  &%+((£

I saw a few brexit supporters  clinging on desperately. 8)-)))
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 25, 2016, 06:36:28 PM
1.997 million on this 'spoof' petition.
even if everyone who voted to remain were to sign that petition it wouldnt make a blind bit of difference,sorry we are out and thats where we are going to stay ?>)()<
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 06:41:57 PM
even if everyone who voted to remain were to sign that petition it wouldnt make a blind bit of difference,sorry we are out and thats where we are going to stay ?>)()<

Yes, very true.  Seems the government website has been the subject of some mischief.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 06:43:19 PM
Bregret

Electoral services workers have reported calls from people asking if they could change their decision after Friday’s result became clear....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-anger-bregret-leave-voters-protest-vote-thought-uk-stay-in-eu-remain-win-a7102516.html

 @)(++(*

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 25, 2016, 06:56:48 PM
Bregret

Electoral services workers have reported calls from people asking if they could change their decision after Friday’s result became clear....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-anger-bregret-leave-voters-protest-vote-thought-uk-stay-in-eu-remain-win-a7102516.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-anger-bregret-leave-voters-protest-vote-thought-uk-stay-in-eu-remain-win-a7102516.html)

 @)(++(*

So thick and immature... they should never be allowed to vote in any election ever again.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 06:58:14 PM
Yes, very true.  Seems the government website has been the subject of some mischief.

Well over 2,000,000 and rising.

Even been reported on the news.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 07:03:23 PM
So thick and immature... they should never be allowed to vote in any election ever again.


Wrong side Myster. 8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 25, 2016, 07:16:18 PM

Wrong side Myster. 8((()*/

I despair much more of those who seriously and without qualms or regrets voted to stop in! 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 25, 2016, 07:17:24 PM
Depressed and disgusted as I am by the result, I really don't think a second referendum is the way forward.  It's quite pathetic in fact.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 07:17:39 PM
I despair much more of those who seriously and without qualms or regrets voted to stop in!

What a surprise.

Now try telling me what harm has being in the EU done to you ?

I await your reply.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 07:28:44 PM
Depressed and disgusted as I am by the result, I really don't think a second referendum is the way forward.  It's quite pathetic in fact.

Cheer up Alfie.

You've got your country back!

 8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 25, 2016, 07:29:14 PM
I see Ms Sturgeon is running a variation of "It was nae us it was the b@stard English, we want to stay M. Juncker"
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 25, 2016, 07:29:51 PM
So thick and immature... they should never be allowed to vote in any election ever again.
what the heck is she talking about that woman in the clip we are only 36hrs in and nothing has changed yet.as for the other clown.people vote to make a difference in what they believe ,he voted thinking his vote wouldnt make a difference,i think he has a few screws loose 8(0(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 07:35:25 PM

Well, according to Sky News the bidders for Tata Steel are going to withdraw.

Surprise.

Moody rating Agency on Sky News....

'Chronic uncertainty' in the UK economy.

'Any money saved from the EU will not offset losses due to a weaker economy'.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 25, 2016, 07:38:39 PM
Too many it seems thought it was about bent bananas, Polish plumbers, Latvian brickies and Estonian farm labourers. The UK is best off out, these Johnny foreigners don't even care which school a chap went to.

I was looking on the road junction near my house this morning only to see the lying b@stards haven't started to build the hospital yet.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 25, 2016, 07:39:17 PM
Who in the "leave" camp was in charge of The Plan? 8(8-))

Could they find it please....
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 25, 2016, 07:40:29 PM
Well, according to Sky News the bidders for Tata Steel are going to withdraw.

Surprise.

Moody rating Agency on Sky News....

'Chronic uncertainty' in the UK economy.

'Any money saved from the EU will not offset losses due to a weaker economy'.

Unfortunately for you .., you have no choice but to accept the outcome that I and others voted for
You have no choice
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 07:43:23 PM
Who in the "leave" camp was in charge of The Plan? 8(8-))

Could they find it please....

Don't worry 'Jean Pierre' you've got your country ba.... oh no, that's right.

When are you going home?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 25, 2016, 07:43:45 PM
Too many it seems thought it was about bent bananas, Polish plumbers, Latvian brickies and Estonian farm labourers. The UK is best off out, these Johnny foreigners don't even care which school a chap went to.

I was looking on the road junction near my house this morning only to see the lying b@stards haven't started to build the hospital yet.

Mis playing the immigration card again
Try and be a little more truthful
Controlled immigration OK
Uncontrolled immigration not OK
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 25, 2016, 07:44:40 PM
What a surprise.

Now try telling me what harm has being in the EU done to you ?

I await your reply.

Prices rose on entry to the Common Market in 1973, particularly food prices. I have paid 25% more for food for 43 years. Then we had the introduction of VAT, due to which many more prices rose.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 25, 2016, 07:46:58 PM
Mis playing the immigration card again
Try and be a little more truthful
Controlled immigration OK
Uncontrolled immigration not OK

You are so funny when you try to be serious about things that were p**s taking.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 07:48:28 PM
Mis playing the immigration card again
Try and be a little more truthful
Controlled immigration OK
Uncontrolled immigration not OK

Democracy, ok.

Unelected heads of superstates, not ok.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 25, 2016, 07:49:33 PM
Who in the "leave" camp was in charge of The Plan? 8(8-))

Could they find it please....

You believe there was a plan ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 25, 2016, 07:54:02 PM
What a surprise.

Now try telling me what harm has being in the EU done to you ?

I await your reply.
Up until about a year ago I could go to my local shops without being harassed by a Romanian big issue seller

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 25, 2016, 07:57:30 PM
You believe there was a plan ?

Nigel and Boris and Michael said there was.   

But it was really really secret. 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 07:59:22 PM
You believe there was a plan ?

I'm certain there wasn't.


The last time British voters were formally consulted on continued membership of what was then called the Common Market, in 1975, mainstream politicians of the major parties joined forces with experts and establishment figures to persuade Britons that leaving was too great a risk. The “In” campaign prevailed.

This time, 41 years later, an almost identical strategy was adopted by the Remain camp. The Conservative prime minister, David Cameron, led the effort, with the notional support of the Labour Party leader, Jeremy Corbyn, and a phalanx of heavyweight economists and world leaders (including, most theatrically, President Obama). Open letters signed by dozens of accomplished figures in their respective fields urged the voters to shun the perils of Brexit.

In 1975, the British people deferred to such authorities. In 2016, they ignored them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/27/opinion/david-camerons-brexit-bust.html
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 25, 2016, 08:06:11 PM
Nigel and Boris and Michael said there was.   

But it was really really secret.

The plan is for Britain to take charge of Britains future
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 08:19:42 PM
The plan is for Britain to take charge of Britains future

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWkTQvlnDTI
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 08:20:00 PM
Democracy, ok.

Unelected heads of superstates, not ok.

The current government was elected on just under 25% of the electorate.

Hardly a majority, and certainly not representative.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 08:23:57 PM
The current government was elected on just under 25% of the electorate.

Hardly a majority, and certainly not representative.

Electoral reform will come, this is but one step.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 08:24:10 PM
Prices rose on entry to the Common Market in 1973, particularly food prices. I have paid 25% more for food for 43 years. Then we had the introduction of VAT, due to which many more prices rose.

'...I have paid 25% more for food for 43 years...'  ???
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 08:25:13 PM
'...I have paid 25% more for food for 43 years...'  ???

Try eating less?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 08:25:43 PM
Electoral reform will come, this is but one step.

On that we can agree.

The referendum however,  has nothing to do with that.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 08:31:54 PM
Try eating less?

Shouldn't you be asking G-Unit that ?

After all, that's what she posted. 8)-)))
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 25, 2016, 08:36:29 PM
'...I have paid 25% more for food for 43 years...'  ???

Are you having trouble understanding Stephen? The price of food rose by 25% when the UK joined the Common Market. That's cost all of us by my reckoning.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 25, 2016, 08:37:44 PM
What a surprise.

Now try telling me what harm has being in the EU done to you ?

I await your reply.

Shouldn't be any surprise to you at all. You know how I've no time for excessive bureaucracy, especially the third gratuitous tier above local and national government, interfering with many aspects of our lives.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 08:38:30 PM
On that we can agree.

The referendum however,  has nothing to do with that.

It sort of does really, the political class have had a wake up call.

They were certain we'd remain, what seems certain now?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 08:41:17 PM
Are you having trouble understanding Stephen? The price of food rose by 25% when the UK joined the Common Market. That's cost all of us by my reckoning.

Wow.

I never knew that.

Prices rising with inflation, and traders, conning people when V.A.T. was introduced, and when we switched from the old currency to the decimal system.

Well, you learn something new everyday.

 &%5y% &%5y%
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 08:42:22 PM
Shouldn't be any surprise to you at all. You know how I've no time for excessive bureaucracy, especially the third gratuitous tier above local and national government, interfering with many aspects of our lives.

We have that in the UK already.

Haven't you noticed ? 8)-)))

So, any more ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 25, 2016, 08:53:12 PM
We have that in the UK already.

Haven't you noticed ? 8)-)))

So, any more ?

Chill out stephen. You're spending far too much of your time sat at the keyboard being a sourpuss and clever ar$e, whether it's about the McCanns, or the Referendum because you lost. I've been out gardening and enjoying the sunshine since I left this morning, I come back and here you still are, miserably rabbiting on.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 09:00:00 PM
Chill out stephen. You're spending far too much of your time sat at the keyboard being a sourpuss and clever ar$e, whether it's about the McCanns, or the Referendum because you lost. I've been out gardening and enjoying the sunshine since I left this morning, I come back and here you still are, miserably rabbiting on.

Try taking your own advice.

..and try answering the questions .
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 25, 2016, 09:06:30 PM
Chill out stephen. You're spending far too much of your time sat at the keyboard being a sourpuss and clever ar$e, whether it's about the McCanns, or the Referendum because you lost. I've been out gardening and enjoying the sunshine since I left this morning, I come back and here you still are, miserably rabbiting on.
@)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 09:08:33 PM
Yeah Stephen, go out & get some fresh British air.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 09:09:24 PM
Thank you De Montfort University activist William Oliver Healey.

Over 2.3 million have signed the petition, and you started it to support Brexit.

Now that is a classic. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* 8((()*/ 8((()*/ 8((()*/

What a plonker Healey is.

Thank you Angelo for your earlier post. 8((()*/

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 09:11:00 PM
Yeah Stephen, go out & get some fresh British air.

Weak Spam, very weak.


You can plenty of wind from Donald Trump, if you wish. %&5%£ %&5%£
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 25, 2016, 09:16:35 PM
Nigel and Boris and Michael said there was.   

But it was really really secret.

The plan was jockeying for position in the belief it wouldn't happen. Well it did !
Looking at the "box" it hasn't even been a wake up call to them. Their sense of urgency remains manana.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 25, 2016, 09:20:10 PM
Try taking your own advice.

..and try answering the questions .

I did and do take my own advice... can you not read!!?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 09:24:33 PM
I did and do take my own advice... can you not read!!?

You seem angry.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 25, 2016, 09:37:16 PM
You seem angry.
Only angry when I insert one of these  8()(((@# in a post, or when a group of feral kids are creating havoc in front of the house, which they are right now.

Have to go... don't stay up too late!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 25, 2016, 09:40:58 PM
Only angry when I insert one of these  8()(((@# in a post, or when a group of feral kids are creating havoc in front of the house, which they are right now.

Have to go... don't stay up too late!
are they roma kids,drives me mad when it happens around here ,east london 8()(((@#
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 25, 2016, 09:50:07 PM
They better hurry up and invoke article 50 and get on with it or it will be done for them by sme legal loophole.

Stalling until a new PM is elected  is pointless. Things will move on IMO in about a week or less now. Grace period.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 25, 2016, 09:52:12 PM
Chill out stephen. You're spending far too much of your time sat at the keyboard being a sourpuss and clever ar$e, whether it's about the McCanns, or the Referendum because you lost. I've been out gardening and enjoying the sunshine since I left this morning, I come back and here you still are, miserably rabbiting on.
I'm enjoying reading stephen (for a change  8(0(* ).   He knows a good deal about it ... more than most of us ... and has taken a very plucky stance.

Well done Stephen  8@??)(
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 25, 2016, 10:01:04 PM
I'm enjoying reading stephen (for a change  8(0(* ).   He knows a good deal about it ... more than most of us ... and has taken a very plucky stance.

Well done Stephen  8@??)(

Thanks Sadie. 8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 10:14:02 PM
Who in the "leave" camp was in charge of The Plan? 8(8-))

Could they find it please....

Its the weekend for Gods sake, Boris was playing cricket.   @)(++(*

Osborne is meeting with other members of the Cabinet to determine what happens next.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 10:19:00 PM
Prices rose on entry to the Common Market in 1973, particularly food prices. I have paid 25% more for food for 43 years. Then we had the introduction of VAT, due to which many more prices rose.

I remember when they introduced the Euro to Spain, prices almost doubled in the bars and restaurants overnight.  A three course meal with a bottle of wine was 1000 pesetas but after introduction of the Euro it was around €10.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 10:23:12 PM
Up until about a year ago I could go to my local shops without being harassed by a Romanian big issue seller

I saw what looked like a foreign woman sitting in the ditch of my neighbours farm last year and thought the migrants had arrived.  I later found out she was the Filipino wife of another local farmer.  Takes all sorts I suppose   8)-)))
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 10:49:18 PM
The constant speed at which the numbers in this Petition are rising is impossible, approx 300 every 5 secs, which leads me to suspect it is a sham.  With it being the weekend no doubt there is nobody to deal with it if the site has been hacked.  Check it at 3am and I bet it is still updating at the same speed.  I would be very wary of registering my e-mail address with it.  Time will tell!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: puglove on June 25, 2016, 10:59:10 PM
Brexit opponents- favor regulation and socialism, favor international governance as opposed to sovereign rule from home, favor welfare policies and no borders, favor banking and trade policies that aid international businesses more than local businesses and workers

When you add these up you get someone favoring being bankrupted to provide aid to unlimited emigrants and international businesses. 

Those in favor of Brexit see the problems with the above.

There are several parallels between such and Obama/Clinton v Trump.

Scipio - what do you think about Andrew Basiago? Dude or complete belltard?


(I SO want it all to be true!)
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: insider on June 25, 2016, 11:04:12 PM
The constant speed at which the numbers in this Petition are rising is impossible, approx 300 every 5 secs, which leads me to suspect it is a sham.  With it being the weekend no doubt there is nobody to deal with it if the site has been hacked.  Check it at 3am and I bet it is still updating at the same speed.  I would be very wary of registering my e-mail address with it.  Time will tell!

I have been told it is a piss take.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 11:06:58 PM
David Lammy MP urges Parliament to ignore EU referendum result: 'We can stop this madness'

'The referendum was was an advisory, non-binding referendum'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-result-latest-david-lammy-mp-eu-referendum-result-parliament-twitter-statement-stop-this-a7102931.html
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 11:10:46 PM
David Lammy MP urges Parliament to ignore EU referendum result: 'We can stop this madness'

'The referendum was was an advisory, non-binding referendum'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-result-latest-david-lammy-mp-eu-referendum-result-parliament-twitter-statement-stop-this-a7102931.html

(http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/01/30/21/2-david-lammy-afpget.jpg)

I saw that earlier, people are calling for him to resign his post.  He tweeted the note below.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 25, 2016, 11:21:00 PM
Scipio - what do you think about Andrew Basiago? Dude or complete belltard?


(I SO want it all to be true!)

Fruitcake even  @)(++(*     He's a time traveller you know.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 25, 2016, 11:26:23 PM
The constant speed at which the numbers in this Petition are rising is impossible, approx 300 every 5 secs, which leads me to suspect it is a sham.  With it being the weekend no doubt there is nobody to deal with it if the site has been hacked.  Check it at 3am and I bet it is still updating at the same speed.  I would be very wary of registering my e-mail address with it.  Time will tell!

Lots and lots of petitioners seem to be from outside the uk

 &%+((£


https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215.json
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on June 25, 2016, 11:28:55 PM
These two bits caught my eye.

"In the past, training nurses was far cheaper because they could learn as apprentices in hospitals. But a system brought in during the 1990s required all nurses to have a degree".

"Last month the Mail visited a recruitment fair in Porto, Portugal, where Bedford Hospital hired 25 nurses. They were offered contracts without any formal English tests and some were even given help filling in the application form".

Everyone in Portugal is required to study English for 8 years at school.

To get qualified as a nurse, there is a requirement to study English further.  Presumably for medical terms, but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: puglove on June 25, 2016, 11:29:05 PM
Fruitcake even  @)(++(*     He's a time traveller you know.

Yes, I DO know! You can mock, but there's a photo of him at Gettysburg, in 1863!!

I listened to an interview with him this morning. I didn't realise I'd stopped mucking out in amazement, till one of the ponies nipped me on the ar$e!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: misty on June 25, 2016, 11:31:33 PM
Lots and lots of petitioners seem to be from outside the uk

 &%+((£


https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215.json

Probably those ex-pats who will lose their right to free health care. As will all Brits who take an EHIC card on holiday.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 25, 2016, 11:34:35 PM
Probably those ex-pats who will lose their right to free health care. As will all Brits who take an EHIC card on holiday.

Yes, never thought of that,but lots of the names are from african and arabian and asian countries
Eta and s america, well everywhere really
Suppose british citizens are all over the world,and all british citizens are allowed to petition, sorry about that

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 11:51:01 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl1KqZ8WYAAPArn.jpg)
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 25, 2016, 11:52:11 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl1Kn1oXEAAbtWt.jpg)
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Admin on June 26, 2016, 12:44:25 AM
Beware the acammers.

EU referendum: Out campaign warns of ‘scam’ as fake news announcement says polls are open until Friday

The Telegraph

Ben Riley-Smith, Political Correspondent

23 June 2016 • 5:41pm

The official campaign to leave the European Union has warned its supporters not to be taken in by a “scam” saying they will be able to vote in the referendum on Friday.

The warning came after a fake image of BBC breaking news announcing the polls will be open for 48 hours begun to be circulated online.

“Due to the unusually high number of people expected to vote in the Referendum, voting will now take place over two days,” the fake message read.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClpJdRAWkAAnTMC.jpg)


Read the full story...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/23/eu-referendum-out-campaign-warns-of-scam-as-fake-news-announceme/

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Admin on June 26, 2016, 12:49:47 AM
The 2nd referendum “petition” is wide open to fraud.

he UK Parliament online petition for a second referendum, currently containing upwards of a million alleged signatures is open to almost unlimited fraud, and likely worthless.

Although we might assume such a potentially significant petition would be subject to at least basic checks on identity to prevent fake identities and duplication, one of our own frequent researchers can confirm this is not true, and he has sent us the screen caps to prove it.

The researcher, who does live in the UK, signed the petition twice today, within minutes, from the same computer, using fake names and email addresses designed for the purpose. The only test of his ID was a simple checkbox that asked if he was a UK citizen. He was not asked to provide a street address, or any proof of ID. He gave two different – and false – postcodes, one in Manchester and one in the West Country. This is a screen shot of the two confirmatory email he received after each of these attempts…

(https://offgraun.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/screen-shot-2016-06-25-at-13-36-46x.jpg)

He apparently made no attempt to conceal what he was doing. He did not use a proxy IP or any other means to cloak his origins. He tells us even the names he used were blatantly fabricated. Yet as you can see they were both accepted without question.

It seems that all you need in order to be eligible to sign this petition is access to the internet. You can sign up as many times as you like, with as many names as you like, and the only limit is how many fake email addresses you can be bothered to create.

This raises obvious questions about the alleged “thousands” or even “millions” of signatures claimed in outlets such as the BBC and the Guardian. It’s reasonable to ask how many of these alleged signatories were verified as real people, and reasonable to assume, on what we know so far, that none of them have been. it’s also reasonable to ask why no journalists at the Beeb or Graun are asking these questions.

Our independent experiment seems to offer some support to the ongoing open source investigations in various places online, all of which raise serious doubts about the nature of and intent behind this petition.

Interesting times…

https://off-guardian.org/2016/06/25/the-2nd-referendum-petition-is-wide-open-to-fraud/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Admin on June 26, 2016, 12:55:29 AM
EU referendum petition: Claims petition for second referendum is 'rigged' as it storms past two million signatures

An online petition calling for a second EU referendum has stormed past two million signatures – amid claims it is being rigged by Remain voters.

The petition on the Government’s website has amassed more than 2.3 million backers since the Brexit vote was confirmed on Friday.

But the huge show of support for a fresh vote has prompted accusations that the petition has been “fraudulently” manipulated.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/eu-referendum-claims-petition-for-second-referendum-is-rigged-as-it-storms-past-two-million-a3280971.html
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2016, 07:36:27 AM
I remember when they introduced the Euro to Spain, prices almost doubled in the bars and restaurants overnight.  A three course meal with a bottle of wine was 1000 pesetas but after introduction of the Euro it was around €10.

We were living in Germany when the UK joined the Common Market. We had access to UK groceries at UK prices, but sometimes needed something from the local shop. Prices were almost double ours, especially things like coffee. We were told food prices would rise but the price of electrical goods would fall. They didn't.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 07:39:27 AM
Now what did Farage say the other day.

Ah yes, if the result had been 52 to 48 in favour of remain, he would demand a second referendum.

Apparently he changed his mind on that.   @)(++(* @)(++(*

It's not the only thing the former supporter of the National Front  changed his mind on either.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 07:48:25 AM
The petition is on an official Gov.uk site.

Speaking personally, I have signed once, as I know other people have done.

You have to verify your e-mail address which I did.

The system works for all petitions, and of course as for any Gov.uk petition, some might abuse the system.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 08:01:03 AM
' Brexit: a journey into the unknown for a country never before so divided ' by Andrew Rawnsley

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/26/brexit-eu-referendum-disunited-kingdom

' The Brexit figureheads had no plan besides exploiting populist fears and dismissing experts who rubbished their thinking '

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/25/boris-johnson-michael-gove-eu-liars
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 26, 2016, 08:26:36 AM
Now what did Farage say the other day.

Ah yes, if the result had been 52 to 48 in favour of remain, he would demand a second referendum.

Apparently he changed his mind on that.   @)(++(* @)(++(*

It's not the only thing the former member of the National Front  changed his mind on either.

A bolshie right-wing schoolboy perhaps but not a member of the NF - cite if you would.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10322331/Nigel-Farage-was-a-racist-schoolboy.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10322331/Nigel-Farage-was-a-racist-schoolboy.html)
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 08:44:37 AM
A bolshie right-wing schoolboy perhaps but not a member of the NF - cite if you would.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10322331/Nigel-Farage-was-a-racist-schoolboy.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10322331/Nigel-Farage-was-a-racist-schoolboy.html)

I have amended the term, but if you really think Farage  is not a racist, then you are very much mistaken IMO.

http://itsrainingmensheviks.tumblr.com/post/146058584605/ukips-ties-to-the-national-front

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/06/19/nigel-farage-proud-of-alliance-with-far-right-parties

and there is plenty more.


You know the old saying........

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. 8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 08:51:12 AM
' Brexit to cause immigration surge as 500,000 East Europeans 'will rush in before borders close' '

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-cause-immigration-surge-500000-8283329

In reality the brexiters had no idea how to control immigration, it was all slogans.

Now the reality will bite.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2016, 09:03:01 AM
Now what did Farage say the other day.

Ah yes, if the result had been 52 to 48 in favour of remain, he would demand a second referendum.

Apparently he changed his mind on that.   @)(++(* @)(++(*

It's not the only thing the former member of the National Front  changed his mind on either.

Farage is a politician. Politicians are as truthful as journalists. As I said earlier on the thread truthfulness and integrity are scarce in today's world.

I see our 'friends' in Europe are searching the regulations to see if they can hurry us on our way.

The president of the European parliament, Martin Schulz, told the Guardian that EU lawyers were studying whether it was possible to speed up the triggering of article 50.

He said it was difficult to accept that “a whole continent is taken hostage because of an internal fight in the Tory party”, adding that he doubted the timing of article 50 was down to the UK alone.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/eu-emergency-talks-brexit-berlin

Cameron thought Britain would be OK if we voted to leave the EU;

Mr Cameron said he understood "the appeal" of Britain going it alone and he was sure the UK would survive outside the EU.......Douglas Carswell told the BBC it was the speech he had "been waiting to hear from a Conservative prime minister all my adult life", while Mark Pritchard said it was "a major triumph" and would unite his party.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282

The Referendum Act;

The act makes no provision for the result to be legally binding on the government or on any future government due to the principle of parliamentary sovereignty although the decision will be final
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Referendum_Act_2015
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 26, 2016, 09:04:23 AM
' Brexit to cause immigration surge as 500,000 East Europeans 'will rush in before borders close' '

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-cause-immigration-surge-500000-8283329 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-cause-immigration-surge-500000-8283329)

In reality the brexiters had no idea how to control immigration, it was all slogans.

Now the reality will bite.

Have they all got jobs already lined up in member states on their borders then?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 09:15:35 AM
I have been told it is a piss take.

It was apparently started by a Brexiter before the referendum result in case things didn't go their way.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2016, 10:07:58 AM
Anyone who thinks this country was united before the referendum is naive. Both campaigns lied, anyone who thinks they didn't is naive. I have spoken to people who couldn't work out the best way to vote because they knew that there were lies on both sides. The Scottish people put their trust in the SNP and voted the way they said. Their vote was more to do with that than with Europe, in my opinion.

In the last Election 66% of those eligible voted. The turnout for the referendum was 72%; That's around 3 million people. Perhaps the turnout was higher because people knew their vote was more likely to count. Perhaps they felt more strongly about the EU question.

This result has highlighted the pre-existing divide in the UK, not caused it.
 
Judging by the reaction of our political representatives masters neither of the main parties seem able to unite and provide clear leadership because the result has highlighted the divisions amongst them too.

There's no point in blaming either side for what has happened because in my opinion it has simply demonstrated how out of touch both sides are with the majority of those who voted to leave the EU; 17,410,742 people didn't agree with remaining in the EU. It's time for the politicians to earn their salaries, pull their socks up and get to work to sort out the exit instead of fighting each other.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 26, 2016, 10:17:39 AM
Anyone who thinks this country was united before the referendum is naive. Both campaigns lied, anyone who thinks they didn't is naive. I have spoken to people who couldn't work out the best way to vote because they knew that there were lies on both sides. The Scottish people put their trust in the SNP and voted the way they said. Their vote was more to do with that than with Europe, in my opinion.

In the last Election 66% of those eligible voted. The turnout for the referendum was 72%; That's around 3 million people. Perhaps the turnout was higher because people knew their vote was more likely to count. Perhaps they felt more strongly about the EU question.

This result has highlighted the pre-existing divide in the UK, not caused it.
 
Judging by the reaction of our political representatives masters neither of the main parties seem able to unite and provide clear leadership because the result has highlighted the divisions amongst them too.

There's no point in blaming either side for what has happened because in my opinion it has simply demonstrated how out of touch both sides are with the majority of those who voted to leave the EU; 17,410,742 people didn't agree with remaining in the EU. It's time for the politicians to earn their salaries, pull their socks up and get to work to sort out the exit instead of fighting each other.

totally agree
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 10:19:35 AM
Anyone who thinks this country was united before the referendum is naive. Both campaigns lied, anyone who thinks they didn't is naive. I have spoken to people who couldn't work out the best way to vote because they knew that there were lies on both sides. The Scottish people put their trust in the SNP and voted the way they said. Their vote was more to do with that than with Europe, in my opinion.

In the last Election 66% of those eligible voted. The turnout for the referendum was 72%; That's around 3 million people. Perhaps the turnout was higher because people knew their vote was more likely to count. Perhaps they felt more strongly about the EU question.

This result has highlighted the pre-existing divide in the UK, not caused it.
 
Judging by the reaction of our political representatives masters neither of the main parties seem able to unite and provide clear leadership because the result has highlighted the divisions amongst them too.

There's no point in blaming either side for what has happened because in my opinion it has simply demonstrated how out of touch both sides are with the majority of those who voted to leave the EU; 17,410,742 people didn't agree with remaining in the EU. It's time for the politicians to earn their salaries, pull their socks up and get to work to sort out the exit instead of fighting each other.

Of course both campaigns lied, that is already known.

However, I'm afraid the repercussions from this campaign and the fighting in the Tory and Labour parties, will not result in a united front.

The referendum was a mistake by Cameron, trying to appease voters switching  from the Tories to Ukip.

...and anyone who thinks immigration will be stopped is seriously deluded.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2016, 10:45:31 AM
Of course both campaigns lied, that is already known.

However, I'm afraid the repercussions from this campaign and the fighting in the Tory and Labour parties, will not result in a united front.

The referendum was a mistake by Cameron, trying to appease voters switching  from the Tories to Ukip.

...and anyone who thinks immigration will be stopped is seriously deluded.

I don't see how either party can regain credibility after this. The Conservative leader made a stupid mistake. High ranking Conservatives campaigned for something they didn't really want. The Labour leader campaigned for something he didn't appear to want. The Labour shadow cabinet still don't want to accept that the vote for Corbyn was also a vote against them.

Blair has just said the voters voted for the unknown. He said it was like buying a house you hadn't seen. Some people told the voters the house was fabulous, others said it would fall on them, but they still bought it. He's quite correct. Many people disliked the house we were in so much they actually didn't care what the new house was like, they just wanted out of the old one.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 10:51:54 AM
I don't see how either party can regain credibility after this. The Conservative leader made a stupid mistake. High ranking Conservatives campaigned for something they didn't really want. The Labour leader campaigned for something he didn't appear to want. The Labour shadow cabinet still don't want to accept that the vote for Corbyn was also a vote against them.

Blair has just said the voters voted for the unknown. He said it was like buying a house you hadn't seen. Some people told the voters the house was fabulous, others said it would fall on them, but they still bought it. He's quite correct. Many people disliked the house we were in so much they actually didn't care what the new house was like, they just wanted out of the old one.

How many of the voters for Brexit even knew what the EU was ?

You should have listened to some of the brexit voters on the phone ins on LBC.

As to Blair, the less said the better.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 11:00:39 AM
remainers,we have had 40yrs of eu,now lets have 40yrs of going it alone,then we can make a fair comparison,lets get together both sides and make MADE IN BRITAIN the label the world will want and the label it used to be, ?{)(**
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 26, 2016, 11:02:56 AM
I was so convinced of a remain win that I didn't bother voting and when I woke up Fri morning I had forgotten all about it!

Can those that voted leave tell me what they think the advantages are.

Financial markets had factored in a remain.  Sterling and global stock markets fell sharply on Friday.  How can this be good for anyone?  Most hate the idea of being a slave to the 'markets' but they are a bellwether of confidence.  Without confidence businesses will put off investing and hiring.  Individuals will defer purchasing any big ticket items.  If tax receipts fall this will have a knock on effect on public services and add to the deficit. 

The UK could lose its EU financial passport (MiIFID).  Why will the EU allow the UK to retain it when it is no longer a member of the EU?  As much as many loathe bankers, the City and all it represents the financial services industry is a major contributor to the UK economy.

The PM has resigned and it looks like JC is on his way out.  Nicola Sturgeon is looking at another vote on Scottish independence.  How can any of this uncertainty be good for anyone or anything?

Unconvinced  &%+((£
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 11:03:48 AM
A bit of light relief, especially the song at the end of the clip which seems quite poignant.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 26, 2016, 11:10:12 AM
remainers,we have had 40yrs of eu,now lets have 40yrs of going it alone,then we can make a fair comparison,lets get together both sides and make MADE IN BRITAIN the label the world will want and the label it used to be, ?{)(**

Even 'luxury' brands such as Prada are often made in China. 

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 11:11:49 AM
I was so convinced of a remain win that I didn't bother voting and when I woke up Fri morning I had forgotten all about it!

Can those that voted leave tell me what they think the advantages are.

Financial markets had factored in a remain.  Sterling and global stock markets fell sharply on Friday.  How can this be good for anyone?  Most hate the idea of being a slave to the 'markets' but they are a bellwether of confidence.  Without confidence businesses will put off investing and hiring.  Individuals will defer purchasing any big ticket items.  If tax receipts fall this will have a knock on effect on public services and add to the deficit. 

The UK could lose its EU financial passport (MiIFID).  Why will the EU allow the UK to retain it when it is no longer a member of the EU?  As much as many loathe bankers, the City and all it represents the financial services industry is a major contributor to the UK economy.

The PM has resigned and it looks like JC is on his way out.  Nicola Sturgeon is looking at another vote on Scottish independence.  How can any of this uncertainty be good for anyone or anything?

Unconvinced  &%+((£
on another note holly.if we win euro 2016 ,will there allow us to take the cup home also will we still be allowed to compete in the next one 8(8-))
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 11:15:19 AM
Even 'luxury' brands such as Prada are often made in China.
i hope burberrys is still a uk owned company,the japs and Chinese love burberrys 8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 11:16:38 AM
on another note holly.if we win euro 2016 ,will there allow us to take the cup home also will we still be allowed to compete in the next one 8(8-))
Russia took part in Euro 2016 and as they are not a member of the EU I don't think we need concern ourselves too much about it.  It's certainly the least of my worries anyway...
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 11:17:47 AM
Russia took part in Euro 2016 and as they are not a member of the EU I don't think we need concern ourselves too much about it.  It's certainly the least of my worries anyway...
yes i forgot about them ,alfie
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2016, 11:21:15 AM
How many of the voters for Brexit even knew what the EU was ?

You should have listened to some of the brexit voters on the phone ins on LBC.

As to Blair, the less said the better.

Once again you are decrying people because they don't agree with you. I'm surprised Stephen because you have always objected to that kind of behaviour in other debates.

No matter what you think of some of the people of this country their vote counted for one, just as yours did. Would you prefer a return to the days when only those perceived as the 'better' people were allowed to vote? I'm sure there were almost as many reasons for voters to vote one way or the other as there were voters. Are you assuming that all the remain voters were educated deep thinking people who understood and weighed the issues carefully before voting? Dream on.

I also think that dismissing a relevant point by anyone because you don't like them is unworthy of you. Again, you seem to be behaving just like those you have previously criticised.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 26, 2016, 11:22:17 AM
on another note holly.if we win euro 2016 ,will there allow us to take the cup home also will we still be allowed to compete in the next one 8(8-))

I like your PMA  8(>((

Eligibility to bring the cup home and compete in the 2020 tournament is not dependent on being a member of the EU.  Nothing and noone can change our geography.  We will always be a country in Europe.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 11:26:09 AM
Once again you are decrying people because they don't agree with you. I'm surprised Stephen because you have always objected to that kind of behaviour in other debates.

No matter what you think of some of the people of this country their vote counted for one, just as yours did. Would you prefer a return to the days when only those perceived as the 'better' people were allowed to vote? I'm sure there were almost as many reasons for voters to vote one way or the other as there were voters. Are you assuming that all the remain voters were educated deep thinking people who understood and weighed the issues carefully before voting? Dream on.

I also think that dismissing a relevant point by anyone because you don't like them is unworthy of you. Again, you seem to be behaving just like those you have previously criticised.



That is totally hypocritical, because you are doing exactly the same in giving your opinion.

Haven't you noticed the nature of the comments on here attacking those who don't support Brexit.

It seems some like to have their cake and eat it.

If you don't like my opinions on this, then I have one word for you.

Tough.

By the way, in case you didn't grasp it, most of the brexit supporters on the phone ins displayed  staggering ignorance.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2016, 11:31:27 AM
I was so convinced of a remain win that I didn't bother voting and when I woke up Fri morning I had forgotten all about it!

Can those that voted leave tell me what they think the advantages are.

Financial markets had factored in a remain.  Sterling and global stock markets fell sharply on Friday.  How can this be good for anyone?  Most hate the idea of being a slave to the 'markets' but they are a bellwether of confidence.  Without confidence businesses will put off investing and hiring.  Individuals will defer purchasing any big ticket items.  If tax receipts fall this will have a knock on effect on public services and add to the deficit. 

The UK could lose its EU financial passport (MiIFID).  Why will the EU allow the UK to retain it when it is no longer a member of the EU?  As much as many loathe bankers, the City and all it represents the financial services industry is a major contributor to the UK economy.

The PM has resigned and it looks like JC is on his way out.  Nicola Sturgeon is looking at another vote on Scottish independence.  How can any of this uncertainty be good for anyone or anything?

Unconvinced  &%+((£

I didn't vote leave, but I am defending the result because voters voted and decided. That's democracy, which we are all supposed to believe in.

Our politicians are elected and paid to make the result work and they need to get on and do their jobs. Both sides should accept the result and concentrate on making the future as good as it can be for the voters.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 11:35:12 AM
I didn't vote leave, but I am defending the result because voters voted and decided. That's democracy, which we are all supposed to believe in.

Our politicians are elected and paid to make the result work and they need to get on and do their jobs. Both sides should accept the result and concentrate on making the future as good as it can be for the voters.
totally agree ?{)(**
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 26, 2016, 11:37:42 AM
i hope burberrys is still a uk owned company,the japs and Chinese love burberrys 8((()*/

Yes Burberry is a British brand and has been a recent success story in terms of its share price but I doubt the goods are made in the UK. Angela Ahrendts was the CEO for 8 years who left for Apple retail where she reportedly earned $73.4 million in shares in her first year!  Can any one individual be worth this?  As far as I'm aware Apple manufacturers in China.  I wonder what the remuneration packages are for those on the assembly lines? 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2016, 11:38:20 AM


That is totally hypocritical, because you are doing exactly the same in giving your opinion.

Haven't you noticed the nature of the comments on here attacking those who don't support Brexit.

It seems some like to have their cake and eat it.

If you don't like my opinions on this, then I have one word for you.

Tough.

By the way, in case you didn't grasp it, most of the brexit supporters on the phone ins displayed  staggering ignorance.

I respect all opinions. I don't respect those who attack the opinion holder rather than the opinion, as you well know. If I have done that on here I am quite prepared to apologise.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 11:41:47 AM
Yes Burberry is a British brand and has been a recent success story in terms of its share price but I doubt the goods are made in the UK. Angela Ahrendts was the CEO for 8 years who left for Apple retail where she reportedly earned $73.4 million in shares in her first year!  Can any one individual be worth this?  As far as I'm aware Apple manufacturers in China.  I wonder what the remuneration packages are for those on the assembly lines?
yes i agree holly,very puzzling
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 26, 2016, 11:47:53 AM
I didn't vote leave, but I am defending the result because voters voted and decided. That's democracy, which we are all supposed to believe in.

Our politicians are elected and paid to make the result work and they need to get on and do their jobs. Both sides should accept the result and concentrate on making the future as good as it can be for the voters.

Well I sort of agree.  The main reason I didn't vote is that I didn't have the time/inclination to look into it all and I didn't want to rely on what I considered propaganda from both camps.

I think it would be better if we had a team of technocrats putting forward arguments for and against rather than what I considered a lot of scaremongering by MP's.  If I had my way I would do away politicians and a government would be formed by technocrats.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 11:53:47 AM
Well I sort of agree.  The main reason I didn't vote is that I didn't have the time/inclination to look into it all and I didn't want to rely on what I considered propaganda from both camps.

I think it would be better if we had a team of technocrats putting forward arguments for and against rather than what I considered a lot of scaremongering by MP's.  If I had my way I would do away politicians and a government would be formed by technocrats.
here here,they only listen when wanting our votes,but once in power they ignore the peoples thoughts and views and do what THEY  WANT 8()(((@#
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 11:58:40 AM
Scotland has a Brexit Veto.

Half of shadow cabinet to resign.

Sour grapes.

Sour British Grapes.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2016, 12:30:54 PM
Well I sort of agree.  The main reason I didn't vote is that I didn't have the time/inclination to look into it all and I didn't want to rely on what I considered propaganda from both camps.

I think it would be better if we had a team of technocrats putting forward arguments for and against rather than what I considered a lot of scaremongering by MP's.  If I had my way I would do away politicians and a government would be formed by technocrats.

I think electoral reform along the lines of Switzerland's system would go a long way to ensuring that the politicians don't lose touch with the Electorate. We only have democracy during a General Election and then it's limited.  There's never going to be a perfect system, but we could improve.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_Switzerland
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2016, 12:36:53 PM
Scotland has a Brexit Veto.

Half of shadow cabinet to resign.

Sour grapes.

Sour British Grapes.

Yes. When did we turn into a nation of whingers? We used to accept that life's not fair, you win some you lose some, you accept defeat gracefully etc. Now the dummies fly out of the prams and everyone takes their ball back and stamps off muttering threats. How undignified we must seem in the eyes of the world.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 26, 2016, 12:40:50 PM
Of course both campaigns lied, that is already known.

However, I'm afraid the repercussions from this campaign and the fighting in the Tory and Labour parties, will not result in a united front.

The referendum was a mistake by Cameron, trying to appease voters switching  from the Tories to Ukip.

...and anyone who thinks immigration will be stopped is seriously deluded.

It is you who are deluded, immigration will be controlled once we pull the plug on the EU and its socialist rules.  And stop calling everyone racist by the way.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: misty on June 26, 2016, 12:43:29 PM
I think electoral reform along the lines of Switzerland's system would go a long way to ensuring that the politicians don't lose touch with the Electorate. We only have democracy during a General Election and then it's limited.  There's never going to be a perfect system, but we could improve.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_Switzerland

There is a lot of use of the word "Federal" in that article. Isn't that what the EU is all about, but on a much larger scale?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 26, 2016, 12:44:08 PM
remainers,we have had 40yrs of eu,now lets have 40yrs of going it alone,then we can make a fair comparison,lets get together both sides and make MADE IN BRITAIN the label the world will want and the label it used to be, ?{)(**

There are unfortunately some people who have done very nicely out of the UK who want to destroy it and among their ranks are Irish republicans/nationalists and Scottish nationalists.  They have their own agenda and that is why N Ireland and Scotland voted remain.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 12:45:44 PM
Yes. When did we turn into a nation of whingers? We used to accept that life's not fair, you win some you lose some, you accept defeat gracefully etc. Now the dummies fly out of the prams and everyone takes their ball back and stamps off muttering threats. How undignified we must seem in the eyes of the world.

Political corectness, leftist libtard extremism, safe spaces & trigger warnings, taking offence by proxy.

Too many people these days have no bollocks.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 12:47:24 PM
Yes. When did we turn into a nation of whingers? We used to accept that life's not fair, you win some you lose some, you accept defeat gracefully etc. Now the dummies fly out of the prams and everyone takes their ball back and stamps off muttering threats. How undignified we must seem in the eyes of the world.
beautifully put,its done now lets get together and make it work,we are a civilised nation,some other places in the world a spilt vote like this would cause civil war,move on
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 26, 2016, 12:48:11 PM
Well I sort of agree.  The main reason I didn't vote is that I didn't have the time/inclination to look into it all and I didn't want to rely on what I considered propaganda from both camps.

I think it would be better if we had a team of technocrats putting forward arguments for and against rather than what I considered a lot of scaremongering by MP's.  If I had my way I would do away politicians and a government would be formed by technocrats.

I am sorry to say if you didn't bother to vote then you cannot complain about the result.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 26, 2016, 12:48:26 PM
I was so convinced of a remain win that I didn't bother voting and when I woke up Fri morning I had forgotten all about it!

Can those that voted leave tell me what they think the advantages are.

Financial markets had factored in a remain.  Sterling and global stock markets fell sharply on Friday.  How can this be good for anyone?  Most hate the idea of being a slave to the 'markets' but they are a bellwether of confidence.  Without confidence businesses will put off investing and hiring.  Individuals will defer purchasing any big ticket items.  If tax receipts fall this will have a knock on effect on public services and add to the deficit. 

The UK could lose its EU financial passport (MiIFID).  Why will the EU allow the UK to retain it when it is no longer a member of the EU?  As much as many loathe bankers, the City and all it represents the financial services industry is a major contributor to the UK economy.

The PM has resigned and it looks like JC is on his way out.  Nicola Sturgeon is looking at another vote on Scottish independence.  How can any of this uncertainty be good for anyone or anything?

Unconvinced  &%+((£

Its about not wanting to participate in a Socialist experiment any more which would have had serious repercussions for our entire way of life.  The UK is a sovereign State and should maintain the right to control our own destiny.  Our factories were being raped and pillaged in some cases with the EU paying to have them removed to other countries.  Artificial customs tariffs have been imposed on trade with non EU countries which restrict our ability to trade worldwide.  We are subject to ridiculously stupid rules and regulations which are killing small business. Fishing, farming and just about every traditional industry in our country has been blighted and tainted by the EU.  This had to stop and now it will!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 12:49:39 PM


Generation Snowflake: how we train our kids to be censorious cry-babies

If today’s students believe that hearing a dissenting opinion can kill them, it’s because we taught them to think like that

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/generation-snowflake-how-we-train-our-kids-to-be-censorious-cry-babies/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: misty on June 26, 2016, 12:52:46 PM
Its about not wanting to participate in a Socialist experiment any more which would have had serious repercussions for our entire way of life.  The UK is a sovereign State and should maintain the right to control our own destiny.

Yet 2 of the 4 countries which Central Government devolved certain responsibilities to voted to remain - how does that work?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 12:54:29 PM
This is democracy in all its beauty and glory.

(http://cdn2.spectator.co.uk/files/2016/06/89.jpg)

Consider the magnitude of what has just happened. Against the warnings of experts, the pleas of the vast majority of MPs, the wishes of almost every capitalist, and overtures from Brussels, a majority of British people have said No to the EU. They’ve done the thing almost everyone with power and influence said they shouldn’t: taken a leap into the dark; chased after the devil they don’t know in preference for the one they do; taken a big, exciting risk with the very nature of their nation. They have — let’s just say it — rebelled, and rebelled against virtually every wing of the establishment.

You don’t even have to be on the Leave side to admire this (although of course it helps if you are). You just have to be in favour of democracy.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/democracy-beauty-glory/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 12:55:27 PM
Its about not wanting to participate in a Socialist experiment any more which would have had serious repercussions for our entire way of life.  The UK is a sovereign State and should maintain the right to control our own destiny.
totally agree.we have a wonderful opitunity to take control of our destiny again,iam all for cooperating with eu but i cant put them before our own,it doesnt make sense,the future will be good if we all try
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 12:56:47 PM
This is democracy in all its beauty and glory.

(http://cdn2.spectator.co.uk/files/2016/06/89.jpg)

Consider the magnitude of what has just happened. Against the warnings of experts, the pleas of the vast majority of MPs, the wishes of almost every capitalist, and overtures from Brussels, a majority of British people have said No to the EU. They’ve done the thing almost everyone with power and influence said they shouldn’t: taken a leap into the dark; chased after the devil they don’t know in preference for the one they do; taken a big, exciting risk with the very nature of their nation. They have — let’s just say it — rebelled, and rebelled against virtually every wing of the establishment.

You don’t even have to be on the Leave side to admire this (although of course it helps if you are). You just have to be in favour of democracy.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/democracy-beauty-glory/
spot on 8@??)( 8@??)(
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 26, 2016, 12:57:00 PM
beautifully put,its done now lets get together and make it work,we are a civilised nation,some other places in the world a spilt vote like this would cause civil war,move on

The remain machine just wants to destroy and wreck now just like a petulant child.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 26, 2016, 12:58:50 PM
This is democracy in all its beauty and glory.

(http://cdn2.spectator.co.uk/files/2016/06/89.jpg)

Consider the magnitude of what has just happened. Against the warnings of experts, the pleas of the vast majority of MPs, the wishes of almost every capitalist, and overtures from Brussels, a majority of British people have said No to the EU. They’ve done the thing almost everyone with power and influence said they shouldn’t: taken a leap into the dark; chased after the devil they don’t know in preference for the one they do; taken a big, exciting risk with the very nature of their nation. They have — let’s just say it — rebelled, and rebelled against virtually every wing of the establishment.

You don’t even have to be on the Leave side to admire this (although of course it helps if you are). You just have to be in favour of democracy.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/democracy-beauty-glory/

And about time too.  The whingers are free to leave!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 01:01:59 PM
Can anyone explain to me why, for example, Scotland that voted overwhelmingly to remain, should simply roll over and accept the outcome of the referendum when it is clearly against the wishes of its people?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 26, 2016, 01:02:03 PM
If anyone needed any example of what is wrong in our country have a look at the mob who greeted victorious Boris the morning after the referendum.  What a bunch of scumbags!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 26, 2016, 01:03:49 PM
Can anyone explain to me why, for example, Scotland that voted overwhelmingly to remain, should simply roll over and accept the outcome of the referendum when it is clearly against the wishes of its people?

Ahem.  Overwhelmingly abstained is the correct term Alf.

In Scotland 1.6m voted remain and 1m voted remain out of an electorate of 4.1 million.

Thus 2.5 million eligible voters either did not want to be in the EU or didn't care.  Shove that one up Sturgeon!!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 01:05:18 PM
If anyone needed any example of what is wrong in our country have a look at the mob who greeted victorious Boris the morning after the referendum.  What a bunch of scumbags!
That's a bit like saying, if anyone needed any example of what is wrong with our country have a look at the scumbags in Britain First, and their rhetoric, and the fact that one of their supporters is a murderer.  It's a teensy bit over simplistic is it not?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 01:06:27 PM
Ahem.  Overwhelmingly abstained is the correct term Alf.

In Scotland 1.4 m voted remain out of an electorate of 4 million.
Oh right, so we're going to start taking account of the wishes of all those who didn't get off their arses to vote now are we?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 01:07:03 PM
And about time too.  The whingers are free to leave!
no retreat no surrender ,we will move on to make Britain great again,anyone who wants to put a spanner in the works ,YOU KNOW WHERE THE DOOR IS,we are better off without negative thinkers
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 01:10:16 PM
Ahem.  Overwhelmingly abstained is the correct term Alf.

In Scotland 1.4 m voted remain out of an electorate of 4 million.

1. Scotland voted decisively in favour of remaining in the EU but the UK voted to leave

There were 2,679,513 votes cast (not including rejected ballots) in Scotland. There were 1,661,191 for Remain, exactly 62% of the votes cast.

This was compared with a 51.9% vote in favour of Leave across the UK.

There were just over a million votes for Leave in Scotland (1,018,332), almost 650,000 votes behind Remain.

Every Scottish local authority area voted in favour of Remain.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 01:10:26 PM
Ahem.  Overwhelmingly abstained is the correct term Alf.

In Scotland 1.4 m voted remain out of an electorate of 4 million.

& 1m voted leave.

Of course, if we had mandatory voting (authoritarian democracy!) we could have had a more precise assesment of national opinion.

But, alas, as it stands, Britain voted leave & that is democracy.

Those who don't like it should sod off to North Korea.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 01:11:41 PM
If anyone needed any example of what is wrong in our country have a look at the mob who greeted victorious Boris the morning after the referendum.  What a bunch of scumbags!
the lowest of the low,bordering on THUG rule ,after losing resort to threats and intimidation,should have been nicked for threatning behavoiur
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 01:11:56 PM
It is you who are deluded, immigration will be controlled once we pull the plug on the EU and its socialist rules.  And stop calling everyone racist by the way.

I'm not calling everyone racist.

Try being accurate and don't put words in my mouth.

I predict there will a mass influx before article 50 is implemented.

Oh by the way Angelo, how about apologising for me stating every one is racist , WHEN I DIDN'T  ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 01:14:01 PM
I'm not calling everyone racist.

Try being accurate and don't put words in my mouth.

I predict there will a mass influx before article 50 is implemented.

We could always send them to Scotland, they're welcome there.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 01:16:28 PM
I'm not calling everyone racist.

Try being accurate and don't put words in my mouth.

I predict there will a mass influx before article 50 is implemented.
all the more reason for pm to invoke it asap,but he wont just for spite of losing,the country cant be held to ransom he should go right now 8()(((@#
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 26, 2016, 01:19:40 PM
remainers,we have had 40yrs of eu,now lets have 40yrs of going it alone,then we can make a fair comparison,lets get together both sides and make MADE IN BRITAIN the label the world will want and the label it used to be, ?{)(**

The best you'll do is "Designed in Great Britain and Made in The Far East".
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 01:22:05 PM
The best you'll do is "Designed in Great Britain and Made in The Far East".
i will beg to differ,give it a chance 8(0(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 26, 2016, 01:39:31 PM
i will beg to differ,give it a chance 8(0(*


Do you mean the Japanese kicked shit out of the UK motorcycle industry in the early 1960s was to do with the UK being a member of the EU ?  I rather think not.
Whether you like it or not South Korea and Viet Nam are the machine shops of the world today. To retrieve that we need to be better than them and undercut their prices. Even Loakes have their cheaper shoes (£150 per pair) made in India.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 01:48:33 PM

Do you mean the Japanese kicked shit out of the UK motorcycle industry in the early 1960s was to do with the UK being a member of the EU ?  I rather think not.
Whether you like it or not South Korea and Viet Nam are the machine shops of the world today. To retrieve that we need to be better than them and undercut their prices. Even Loakes have their cheaper shoes (£150 per pair) made in India.
think positivly ?{)(**
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 01:49:14 PM
Just seen this on FB - 

The people have spoken and my side has lost. On our side, we need to simply respect that and get on with making the best of it.
The Brexit people now have the responsibility to deliver what they promised, including:

There will be no damaging fall in the value of the pound
We will save £350 million a week which will be invested in the NHS, free prescription charges (England and Wales)
VAT on household energy will be abolished
Hundreds of new schools will be built
EU levels of funding will be maintained in science, research, farming and regional funds
Net Immigration will fall to tens of thousands
The economy will thrive
Trade with the EU will be tariff free without the need for free movement of people between the EU and the UK
New trade deals with be agreed with non-EU countries within a couple of years
Wages will increase
There will be no impact on the Irish border
Scotland will not leave the UK
There won’t be a £30 billion gap in the current account
There won’t need to be an emergency budget
There will be no cuts in public expenditure
There will be no tax rises
There will be no flight of capital
No banks or businesses will leave the UK
There will be no effect on the City of London

Looking forward to seeing all of that being delivered over the course of the next few years.... 8)--))
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 01:51:54 PM
Just seen this on FB - 

The people have spoken and my side has lost. On our side, we need to simply respect that and get on with making the best of it.
The Brexit people now have the responsibility to deliver what they promised, including:

There will be no damaging fall in the value of the pound
We will save £350 million a week which will be invested in the NHS, free prescription charges (England and Wales)
VAT on household energy will be abolished
Hundreds of new schools will be built
EU levels of funding will be maintained in science, research, farming and regional funds
Net Immigration will fall to tens of thousands
The economy will thrive
Trade with the EU will be tariff free without the need for free movement of people between the EU and the UK
New trade deals with be agreed with non-EU countries within a couple of years
Wages will increase
There will be no impact on the Irish border
Scotland will not leave the UK
There won’t be a £30 billion gap in the current account
There won’t need to be an emergency budget
There will be no cuts in public expenditure
There will be no tax rises
There will be no flight of capital
No banks or businesses will leave the UK
There will be no effect on the City of London

Looking forward to seeing all of that being delivered over the course of the next few years.... 8)--))
dont worry we are on the job 8(0(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 01:57:45 PM
dont worry we are on the job 8(0(*
I'm sure you are, and I'm sure I just saw Boris and Michael flying by on a pair of Union Jack painted unicorns....
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 02:02:22 PM
Just seen this on FB - 

The people have spoken and my side has lost. On our side, we need to simply respect that and get on with making the best of it.
The Brexit people now have the responsibility to deliver what they promised, including:

There will be no damaging fall in the value of the pound
We will save £350 million a week which will be invested in the NHS, free prescription charges (England and Wales)
VAT on household energy will be abolished
Hundreds of new schools will be built
EU levels of funding will be maintained in science, research, farming and regional funds
Net Immigration will fall to tens of thousands
The economy will thrive
Trade with the EU will be tariff free without the need for free movement of people between the EU and the UK
New trade deals with be agreed with non-EU countries within a couple of years
Wages will increase
There will be no impact on the Irish border
Scotland will not leave the UK
There won’t be a £30 billion gap in the current account
There won’t need to be an emergency budget
There will be no cuts in public expenditure
There will be no tax rises
There will be no flight of capital
No banks or businesses will leave the UK
There will be no effect on the City of London

Looking forward to seeing all of that being delivered over the course of the next few years.... 8)--))

The PM will sort it all out.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-3483926/David-Cameron-I-not-quit-UK-votes-Brexit.html
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 02:03:42 PM
7 Shadow cabinet cry baby MP's have now flounced.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 26, 2016, 02:05:43 PM
think positivly ?{)(**

Think positively like: have your goods made where the unit labour rates are low because that is what all your competitors are doing.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 02:09:23 PM
7 Shadow cabinet cry baby MP's have now flounced.
show the idiots the door,plenty others to take their posts,sack them from labour party also 8()(((@#
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 02:14:54 PM
show the idiots the door,plenty others to take their posts,sack them from labour party also 8()(((@#
The labour party is finished under Jez.  He's the one that needs sacking. 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 02:15:35 PM


5 of the 7 flouncers are women.

Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 02:15:53 PM
Think positively like: have your goods made where the unit labour rates are low because that is what all your competitors are doing.

Well it would seem that some would like 3 rd world employment conditions here.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 26, 2016, 02:16:37 PM
G-Unit posted a link to Referendum Act but this bit is interesting:
"The act makes no provision for the result to be legally binding on the government or on any future government due to the principle of parliamentary sovereignty although the decision will be final. The result of the referendum is to be a single majority vote of all four constituent countries of the United Kingdom and Gibraltar with no super majorities, double majorities or any minimum turnout threshold required for the vote to pass which will be declared by Chief Counting Officer (CCO) Jenny Watson at Manchester Town Hall on Friday 24 June 2016. The act does not specify any specific consequences that would follow the result of the referendum. In the event of a "Leave" vote, the government would decide under what circumstances to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty to begin a two-year process of negotiations for Britain to leave the EU.[13] European Union law would remain enforceable in the United Kingdom unless the European Communities Act 1972 were repealed".[5]

We could have a fun debate on precisely what the first sentence means.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2016, 02:24:45 PM
dont worry we are on the job 8(0(*

This is a golden opportunity for our politicians, bankers and business leaders to prove their worth. The best of them will rise to the challenge the others will go.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 26, 2016, 02:25:58 PM
Well it would seem that some would like 3 rd world employment conditions here.

we have zero hour contracts at the moment....thats with us being in the EU...doesn't get much worse than that
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 02:28:31 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ2n7oMcSi0
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 02:36:41 PM
Just on Sky news.

The Germans are prepared not to rush to Article 50, to give the UK , more time to change it's mind over exit.

The majority of M.P.'s don't want an exit as we know.

The Germans are also indicating if things don't work out well, they would work with their partners to re-organize the financial centre of Europe.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 02:38:17 PM
Burnham urges Labour not to plunge into civil war

At an uncertain time like this for our country, I cannot see how it makes sense for the Opposition to plunge itself into a civil war.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/26/brexit-live-jeremy-corbyn-sacks-hilary-benn-tory-leadership
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2016, 02:38:56 PM
The labour party is finished under Jez.  He's the one that needs sacking.

He may or may not be the right leader, but he was elected by due process. The flouncers should remember that the votes for Corbyn could also have been votes against them and what they stood for. If they manage to force a new leadership election and still don't get their own way, what then? Keep on until they do? Another example of scorning democracy imo.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 02:41:42 PM
Paul Flynn MP
https://twitter.com/PaulFlynnMP?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Orchestrated treachery. Resignations on the hour by the future BLAIR TRIBUTE PARTY.
Self-indulgent party games as steel jobs are in new peril.

Crisis ahead!...... If all the Blairites resign from the Shadow Cabinet who will be left to leak the confidential business to the press?

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2016, 02:43:10 PM
Think positively like: have your goods made where the unit labour rates are low because that is what all your competitors are doing.

Alternatively produce quality goods that people will pay a bit more for because they are made of better materials and last longer. There's more than one way to skin a cat.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 02:46:27 PM
He may or may not be the right leader, but he was elected by due process. The flouncers should remember that the votes for Corbyn could also have been votes against them and what they stood for. If they manage to force a new leadership election and still don't get their own way, what then? Keep on until they do? Another example of scorning democracy imo.
Are you suggesting that they should instead swallow their principles and beliefs in order to prop up a leader who has zero prospects whatsoever of winning a general election - ever?  What's democratic about that?  If they don't get their own way then perhaps it's time to go it alone, ditch the labour party all together and form a party that's actually electable. 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 02:48:54 PM
Alternatively produce quality goods that people will pay a bit more for because they are made of better materials and last longer. There's more than one way to skin a cat.
And while you're at it ban imports from the Far East I suppose...? 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 02:50:25 PM
Are you suggesting that they should instead swallow their principles and beliefs in order to prop up a leader who has zero prospects whatsoever of winning a general election - ever?  What's democratic about that?  If they don't get their own way then perhaps it's time to go it alone, ditch the labour party all together and form a party that's actually electable.

Corbyn may or may not have the members backing.

However, in parliament he is a dead duck.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 02:51:10 PM
Are you suggesting that they should instead swallow their principles and beliefs in order to prop up a leader who has zero prospects whatsoever of winning a general election - ever?  What's democratic about that?  If they don't get their own way then perhaps it's time to go it alone, ditch the labour party all together and form a party that's actually electable.
how do you know what chances he's got.nobody gave' leave' a chance and we won 8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 26, 2016, 02:59:08 PM
we have zero hour contracts at the moment....thats with us being in the EU...doesn't get much worse than that

Are you saying that not being in the EU will be the demise of zero hours contracts ?

http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/observatories/eurwork/industrial-relations-dictionary/zero-hours-contracts
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2016, 03:03:35 PM
Paul Flynn MP
https://twitter.com/PaulFlynnMP?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Orchestrated treachery. Resignations on the hour by the future BLAIR TRIBUTE PARTY.
Self-indulgent party games as steel jobs are in new peril.

Crisis ahead!...... If all the Blairites resign from the Shadow Cabinet who will be left to leak the confidential business to the press?

If Corbyn can find a new team they have sacrificed their chance to influence matters at a critical time for the country. They have made themselves look ridiculous and petty and brought their party into disrepute. I've only heard of one of them and that's because of his father, so they didn't make a huge impact imo.

Hilary Benn
Heidi Alexander
Gloria Del Piero
Ian Murray
Lilian Greenwood
Lucy Powell
Kerry McCarthy

I see Andy Burham has more sense so far;

Andy Burnham ✔ @andyburnhammp

I have never taken part in a coup against any Leader of the Labour Party and I am not going to start now. 2/3
1:00 PM - 26 Jun 2016 · Wigan, England, United Kingdom
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2016, 03:09:34 PM
Are you suggesting that they should instead swallow their principles and beliefs in order to prop up a leader who has zero prospects whatsoever of winning a general election - ever?  What's democratic about that?  If they don't get their own way then perhaps it's time to go it alone, ditch the labour party all together and form a party that's actually electable.

I'm suggesting that those who believe in democracy should accept democratic decisions otherwise their principles will most certainly be called into question.

Great idea to go it alone! It worked for 'the gang of four' so well, didn't it?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 03:15:22 PM

If Corbyn can find a new team they have sacrificed their chance to influence matters at a critical time for the country. They have made themselves look ridiculous and petty and brought their party into disrepute. I've only heard of one of them and that's because of his father, so they didn't make a huge impact imo.

Hilary Benn
Heidi Alexander
Gloria Del Piero
Ian Murray
Lilian Greenwood
Lucy Powell
Kerry McCarthy

I see Andy Burham has more sense so far;

Andy Burnham ✔ @andyburnhammp

I have never taken part in a coup against any Leader of the Labour Party and I am not going to start now. 2/3
1:00 PM - 26 Jun 2016 · Wigan, England, United Kingdom
truly a man with principals ,take not idiots,Blair deserves a seat a the haigh in the war crimes court 8(0(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 03:28:52 PM


Let's not forget the Chilcot report on the Iraq Inquiry.

6 th July.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 03:40:03 PM
https://youtu.be/p6ZamhMTojk?t=292

Put the bomb under the economy & press the trigger  @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 26, 2016, 03:42:17 PM
Alternatively produce quality goods that people will pay a bit more for because they are made of better materials and last longer. There's more than one way to skin a cat.

To export into the EU goods must meet certain minimum requirements with respect to materials of construction, safety and standards defined by EU. Long gone [if they ever existed in reality] are the days when goods made east of Suez were vastly inferior.
It's not a case of paying a "bit more" it is a vast chunk more.
Two simple examples. Hardy flyfishing reel made in UK £330. Hardy flyfishing reel made in S Korea £150.00.
Loake brogues made in UK £200+ ; Loake brogues made in India £120.00.



Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 03:49:22 PM
I'm suggesting that those who believe in democracy should accept democratic decisions otherwise their principles will most certainly be called into question.

Great idea to go it alone! It worked for 'the gang of four' so well, didn't it?
dNo, it didn't work out for them, but that was then and this is now, completely different time, circumstances and issues.  If there is a vote of no confidence in Jeremy then that is all part and parcel of the democratic process, as is any leadership contest which may follow as a result.  If Jeremy really is the right man for the job as far as his party members are concerned then they  will simply vote him back in, problem solved.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 03:58:46 PM
Post-Brexit, the Tata Steel buy-out is in jeopardy.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 04:11:07 PM
Post-Brexit, the Tata Steel buy-out is in jeopardy.  Thoughts?

That was reported on the news last night.

It won't be the last.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 26, 2016, 04:12:09 PM
Post-Brexit, the Tata Steel buy-out is in jeopardy.  Thoughts?

Plenty  ?{)(**

Starter for ten.
If the prospective purchasers were planning to sell the product into the EU then three weeks ago it was an EU mill with EU NOBOs selling the product within the EU.

Now it is, as far the prospective purchaser is concerned, a non EU mill in a country without a trading agreement with the EU that will need approval by an EU NOBO and to negotiate a trading agreement with the EU.

Spot the difference
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 04:15:21 PM
Post-Brexit, the Tata Steel buy-out is in jeopardy.  Thoughts?

The UK is one of 14 countries that have been blocking EU plans to impose tougher sanctions on cheap Chinese steel imports.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/18/uk-and-eu-urged-to-act-on-chinese-steel-dumping-after-us-hikes-duty-on-imports
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 04:18:32 PM

Britain 'blocked' EU bid to raise China steel tariff that could have protected the industry from cheap imports (but Cameron STILL spends billions on foreign aid)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3518278/UK-blocked-EU-bid-raise-China-steel-tariff-protected-industry-cheap-imports.html
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 04:20:34 PM

Let's not forget the Chilcot report on the Iraq Inquiry.

6 th July.
lets wait and see if it happens 8(0(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 04:34:18 PM
Britain 'blocked' EU bid to raise China steel tariff that could have protected the industry from cheap imports (but Cameron STILL spends billions on foreign aid)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3518278/UK-blocked-EU-bid-raise-China-steel-tariff-protected-industry-cheap-imports.html
So was your support with Britain or the EU over this issue?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 04:44:24 PM
So was your support with Britain or the EU over this issue?

My support was with America on the issue.

Impose a huge import tariff to prevent dumping & protect your industry.

Britain & the EU were more concerened with not upsetting the chinks.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2016, 04:45:57 PM
To export into the EU goods must meet certain minimum requirements with respect to materials of construction, safety and standards defined by EU. Long gone [if they ever existed in reality] are the days when goods made east of Suez were vastly inferior.
It's not a case of paying a "bit more" it is a vast chunk more.
Two simple examples. Hardy flyfishing reel made in UK £330. Hardy flyfishing reel made in S Korea £150.00.
Loake brogues made in UK £200+ ; Loake brogues made in India £120.00.

EU standards on fire retardancy are lower than UK standards. I posted a story a while back where mattresses made in China to EU standards were mistakenly sold in the UK. I saw them being tested and they were blazing very quickly. Those made to UK standards didn't. EU standards are not the best they could be. People holidaying in Europe should bear this type of thing in mind.

According to Loake they still make shoes in Kettering because there are still people who want to buy British made products.  Loake also source shoes from India, Italy and Portugal. These shoes are cheaper but still of good quality. I'm sure that method could be applied to other goods too.

A lot of people buy according to price but not everyone does. We have had 'buy British' drives before, why shouldn't people respond to such a call again? Let's be positive and hope we can once again be renowned for our skills and craftmanship.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 04:53:10 PM
EU standards on fire retardancy are lower than UK standards. I posted a story a while back where mattresses made in China to EU standards were mistakenly sold in the UK. I saw them being tested and they were blazing very quickly. Those made to UK standards didn't. EU standards are not the best they could be. People holidaying in Europe should bear this type of thing in mind.

According to Loake they still make shoes in Kettering because there are still people who want to buy British made products.  Loake also source shoes from India, Italy and Portugal. These shoes are cheaper but still of good quality. I'm sure that method could be applied to other goods too.

A lot of people buy according to price but not everyone does. We have had 'buy British' drives before, why shouldn't people respond to such a call again? Let's be positive and hope we can once again be renowned for our skills and craftmanship.
Alot of the people who buy cheaply imported food, clothes and electrical goods are the very same less well off people who voted leave because they feel they have been shafted by the establishment.  What do you tell them when the price of all these items becomes less affordable?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: misty on June 26, 2016, 04:58:44 PM
Alot of the people who buy cheaply imported food, clothes and electrical goods are the very same less well off people who voted leave because they feel they have been shafted by the establishment.  What do you tell them when the price of all these items becomes less affordable?

Heaven only knows how they'll react when Aldi & Lidl pull out of the UK.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 05:00:21 PM
Alot of the people who buy cheaply imported food, clothes and electrical goods are the very same less well off people who voted leave because they feel they have been shafted by the establishment.  What do you tell them when the price of all these items becomes less affordable?

Tweeting about inequality & human rights, from an i phone made in a sweat shop.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2103798/Revealed-Inside-Apples-Chinese-sweatshop-factory-workers-paid-just-1-12-hour.html
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 26, 2016, 05:11:37 PM
Oh right, so we're going to start taking account of the wishes of all those who didn't get off their arses to vote now are we?

They are Scottish people with rights are they not?  People who have no time for a SNP administration or Sturgeon for that matter.  Sturgeon does not speak for the vast majority in Scotland and the vote she does have is dwindling.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 26, 2016, 05:24:22 PM


That is totally hypocritical, because you are doing exactly the same in giving your opinion.

Haven't you noticed the nature of the comments on here attacking those who don't support Brexit.

It seems some like to have their cake and eat it.

If you don't like my opinions on this, then I have one word for you.

Tough.

By the way, in case you didn't grasp it, most of the brexit supporters on the phone ins displayed  staggering ignorance.

Do you mean like you displayed not three days ago?

By the way, people don't need to be a Professor of economics to realise that something has to change in the direction our country was going.  All I have seen from you has been questions again and again asking the same thing and when the result was given all you can do is criticise it.  We live in a democracy Stephen, you lost, get over it.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 26, 2016, 05:27:40 PM
Scotland has a Brexit Veto.

Half of shadow cabinet to resign.

Sour grapes.

Sour British Grapes.

Sturgeon has no veto, she's just a shit stirring bitch.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 05:33:23 PM
Do you mean like you displayed not three days ago?

By the way, people don't need to be a Professor of economics to realise that something has to change in the direction our country was going.  All I have seen from you has been questions again and again asking the same thing and when the result was given all you can do is criticise it.  We live in a democracy Stephen, you lost, get over it.

Ah more personal Insults Angelo


Is that the best you can do ?

Brexit won, by it's leaders lying to the gullible, who swallowed it hook, line and sink. As to the rest who voted out, well you already know what I think of them.

Meanwhile the exit has to go through parliament.

If you think it all sails ahead for Brexit you are mistaken.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 26, 2016, 05:34:15 PM
I'm not calling everyone racist.

Try being accurate and don't put words in my mouth.

I predict there will a mass influx before article 50 is implemented.

Oh by the way Angelo, how about apologising for me stating every one is racist , WHEN I DIDN'T  ?

You do understand what a 'figure of speech' is??
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 05:36:55 PM
Sturgeon has no veto, she's just a shit stirring bitch.

Well she has a darned sight more influence than you.

One very apparent characteristic I 've noticed  on here is that Brexit supporters can't comprehend why other people don't have the same beliefs.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 26, 2016, 05:38:58 PM
Ah more personal Insults Angelo


Is that the best you can do ?

Brexit won, by it's leaders lying to the gullible, who swallowed it hook, line and sink. As to the rest who voted out, well you already know what I think of them.

Meanwhile the exit has to go through parliament.

Ifor you think it all sails ahead for Brexit you are mistaken.

I told everyone last week that a brexit vote could be blocked by parliament
No one believed me
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 05:39:23 PM
You do understand what a 'figure of speech' is??

No doubt about it.



Are you trying to make an excuse for what you said ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 26, 2016, 05:43:15 PM
Has anyone noticed that we don't seem to have any politicians
Cameron is crying his eyes out...has resigned so is basically no longer leader
Corbyn has absolutely no support from his party and is dead man walking and I can't remember who is the Lib Dem leader
Who's running the country
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 26, 2016, 05:44:04 PM
The best you'll do is "Designed in Great Britain and Made in The Far East".

Chinese replica Range Rovers being sold for £14.000 in China.  I look forward to seeing them here.

(http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4683410.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/LandWind-X7.jpg)

                                                      The Land Wind made in China sells for £14.000

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/range-rover-rip-off-sells-just-4683397
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 05:47:22 PM
Chinese replica Range Rovers being sold for £14.000 in China.  I look forward to seeing them here.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/range-rover-rip-off-sells-just-4683397

So more cheap crap from China then.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 26, 2016, 05:48:51 PM
Chinese replica Range Rovers being sold for £14.000 in China.  I look forward to seeing them here.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/range-rover-rip-off-sells-just-4683397

I have bought quite few small pieces of equipment from China
Absolute rubbish Im afraid
Very cheap but rubbish
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 26, 2016, 05:53:09 PM
I have bought quite few small pieces of equipment from China
Absolute rubbish Im afraid
Very cheap but rubbish

Some stuff is but much isn't.  The Chinese make some very reliable wind and water generators for example.  They will soon monopolise world trade so no wonder Cameron wanted them as our nuclear partner.  For their own part the Chinese are building 40 new nuclear power stations in the next five years.  If they can build a replica Range Rover and sell it for £14k instead of £40k fair play to them.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 26, 2016, 06:13:12 PM
EU standards on fire retardancy are lower than UK standards. I posted a story a while back where mattresses made in China to EU standards were mistakenly sold in the UK. I saw them being tested and they were blazing very quickly. Those made to UK standards didn't. EU standards are not the best they could be. People holidaying in Europe should bear this type of thing in mind.

According to Loake they still make shoes in Kettering because there are still people who want to buy British made products.  Loake also source shoes from India, Italy and Portugal. These shoes are cheaper but still of good quality. I'm sure that method could be applied to other goods too.

A lot of people buy according to price but not everyone does. We have had 'buy British' drives before, why shouldn't people respond to such a call again? Let's be positive and hope we can once again be renowned for our skills and craftmanship.

Loake and Hardy make products in UK,  I buy their "British Made" rather than "designed in UK made in Far East" because I like to buy British and can afford to for some stuff but not every one can afford to and the UK no longer make everything. I can't afford to buy a British car (there's only about Morgan and TVR left anyway) so I buy American or Chinese (Ford or Volvo to you).

Where EU standards are concerned the EU only have power to issue a directive it is then up to member states to draft laws and standards for their implementation within that state. If the implementation laws and standards the UK drafted disadvantaged it the UK know who to blame.

Just a useless aside: why did we lose out? We had Land Rover yet in the Middle East it is all Toyota pick ups?
Most modern family cars are five door, five speed, front wheel drive transverse engine; first one on the scene Austin Maxi.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 26, 2016, 06:17:49 PM
Some stuff is but much isn't.  The Chinese make some very reliable wind and water generators for example.  They will soon monopolise world trade so no wonder Cameron wanted them as our nuclear partner.  For their own part the Chinese are building 40 new nuclear power stations in the next five years.  If they can build a replica Range Rover and sell it for £14k instead of £40k fair play to them.

Nothing wrong with Chinese engineering...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peoplesdaily/article-3619645/Spectacular-aerial-footage-shows-world-s-largest-glass-bottom-viewing-platform-suspended-cliff-face-1-300-FEET-high.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peoplesdaily/article-3619645/Spectacular-aerial-footage-shows-world-s-largest-glass-bottom-viewing-platform-suspended-cliff-face-1-300-FEET-high.html)

And just think, if most of the posters here didn't have Chinese-made PCs, laptops, tablets and their components... there wouldn't be any forum to lambast each other on!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 26, 2016, 06:18:07 PM
Loake and Hardy make products in UK,  I buy their "British Made" rather than "designed in UK made in Far East" because I like to buy British and can afford to for some stuff but not every one can afford to and the UK no longer make everything. I can't afford to buy a British car (there's only about Morgan and TVR left anyway) so I buy American or Chinese (Ford or Volvo to you).

Where EU standards are concerned the EU only have power to issue a directive it is then up to member states to draft laws and standards for their implementation within that state. If the implementation laws and standards the UK drafted disadvantaged it the UK know who to blame.

Just a useless aside: why did we lose out? We had Land Rover yet in the Middle East it is all Toyota pick ups?
Most modern family cars are five door, five speed, front wheel drive transverse engine; first one on the scene Austin Maxi.

The truth being we got too greedy, wanted too big pay packets and were prepared to strike to get it.  Consequently Scotland lost all car manufacturing and England is left with Nissan in Sunderland, Mini at Cowley, Toyota in Derbyshire, Jaguar at Solihull and Honda at Swindon.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 26, 2016, 06:27:50 PM
I told everyone last week that a brexit vote could be blocked by parliament
No one believed me

Blx.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 06:29:16 PM
More Labour Remain MP's have now decide to leave.

Lord Falconer, shadow justice secretary
Heidi Alexander, shadow health secretary
Lucy Powell, shadow education secretary
Vernon Coaker, shadow Northern Ireland secretary
Ian Murray, shadow Scottish secretary - and Labour's only MP in Scotland
Kerry McCarthy, shadow environment secretary
Seema Malhotra, shadow chief secretary to the Treasury
Lillian Greenwood, shadow transport secretary
Gloria de Piero, shadow minister for young people and voter registration
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 26, 2016, 06:30:50 PM
Has anyone noticed that we don't seem to have any politicians
Cameron is crying his eyes out...has resigned so is basically no longer leader
Corbyn has absolutely no support from his party and is dead man walking and I can't remember who is the Lib Dem leader
Who's running the country

Cameron in between sobs    @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 26, 2016, 06:31:36 PM
The truth being we got too greedy, wanted too big pay packets and were prepared to strike to get it.  Consequently Scotland lost all car manufacturing and England is left with Nissan in Sunderland, Mini at Cowley, Toyota in Derbyshire, Jaguar at Solihull and Honda at Swindon.

Just think, at the end of the Second World War (to give it its British name) Austin were offered VW for tuppence ha'penny and declined.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 06:32:07 PM
More Labour Remain MP's have now decide to leave.

Lord Falconer, shadow justice secretary
Heidi Alexander, shadow health secretary
Lucy Powell, shadow education secretary
Vernon Coaker, shadow Northern Ireland secretary
Ian Murray, shadow Scottish secretary - and Labour's only MP in Scotland
Kerry McCarthy, shadow environment secretary
Seema Malhotra, shadow chief secretary to the Treasury
Lillian Greenwood, shadow transport secretary
Gloria de Piero, shadow minister for young people and voter registration

Are you surprised ?

Meanwhile Boris Johnson is intending to stand as a 'unifying' candidate.

Now that is the best joke I've heard for a while. %£5&% %£5&%
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 26, 2016, 06:34:06 PM
More Labour Remain MP's have now decide to leave.

Lord Falconer, shadow justice secretary
Heidi Alexander, shadow health secretary
Lucy Powell, shadow education secretary
Vernon Coaker, shadow Northern Ireland secretary
Ian Murray, shadow Scottish secretary - and Labour's only MP in Scotland
Kerry McCarthy, shadow environment secretary
Seema Malhotra, shadow chief secretary to the Treasury
Lillian Greenwood, shadow transport secretary
Gloria de Piero, shadow minister for young people and voter registration

Are you sure that's not a list of Premiership players on the transfer list?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 26, 2016, 06:40:12 PM
I told everyone last week that a brexit vote could be blocked by parliament
No one believed me

No Parliament is going to go against the will of the majority.  Parliament could vote to go to the moon or fire a nuclear missile at Moscow but that too won't happen.  Just because they can doesn't mean they will Dave.

On another note, I give dead man walking Corbyn 24 hours before he goes.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 26, 2016, 06:42:09 PM
No Parliament is going to go against the will of the majority.  Parliament could vote to go to the moon or fire a nuclear missile at Moscow but that too won't happen.  Just because they can doesn't mean they will Dave.
There is no majority
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 26, 2016, 06:44:14 PM
Just think, at the end of the Second World War (to give it its British name) Austin were offered VW for tuppence ha'penny and declined.

VW.  The biggest cheats in Europe.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 26, 2016, 06:45:36 PM
There is no majority

Really?  Where have you been since Friday morning??
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 06:48:20 PM
From the onset , it was always pure B.S.

Top Vote Leave campaigner says Brexit might not lead to a reduction in migration


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683445/daniel-hannan-brexit-not-lead-cut-migration-vote-leave

MP Nigel Evans has admitted immigration will not fall significantly as a result of Brexit, claiming the referendum result only means “control” rather than a reduction in numbers.

The Conservative MP told BBC Radio 5 live there had been “some misunderstanding” about the consequences of Brexit on immigration.

When asked to say if migration to the UK would fall significantly now the country was leaving the EU, Mr Evans answered: “No."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-immigration-uk-nigel-evans-eu-referendum-latest-news-what-will-happen-migrants-a7104021.html

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 26, 2016, 06:49:06 PM
Really?  Where have you been since Friday morning??
The point has already been made by one MP and its early days yet

I posted this last week........remember
The vote is NOT a majority of the British people
The politicians may use this
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 26, 2016, 06:56:23 PM
We were promised article 50 would be triggered
It has not been. It is quite conceivable that we will not leave the EU...as I predicted last week
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2016, 07:30:40 PM
Alot of the people who buy cheaply imported food, clothes and electrical goods are the very same less well off people who voted leave because they feel they have been shafted by the establishment.  What do you tell them when the price of all these items becomes less affordable?

Who told you that Alfie? Nobody knows who voted for what.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 26, 2016, 07:36:47 PM
I am sorry to say if you didn't bother to vote then you cannot complain about the result.

I'm not really complaining as I don't know enough to have any strong views either way and how it will all play out.    But I was concerned when I saw global stock markets fall, along with sterling, and Britain is now at risk of a credit downgrade.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2016, 07:38:15 PM
Has anyone noticed that we don't seem to have any politicians
Cameron is crying his eyes out...has resigned so is basically no longer leader
Corbyn has absolutely no support from his party and is dead man walking and I can't remember who is the Lib Dem leader
Who's running the country

Tom Watson was at Glastonbury, too busy to resign.  @)(++(*

The country can carry on, we have the Yes Minister people doing the day to day stuff. It probably suits them to have all the politicians busy elsewhere; it makes their jobs easier.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 07:43:15 PM
So here is some imaginary news that wasn't going to happen, according to Brexit.

HSBC 'to move jobs to Paris if UK leaves single market'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36629745
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 07:43:50 PM
I'm not really complaining as I don't know enough to have any strong views either way and how it will all play out.    But I was concerned when I saw global stock markets fall, along with sterling, and Britain is now at risk of a credit downgrade.
you can still post your opinion holly,iam interested in your thoughts as many others are 8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 26, 2016, 07:47:07 PM
Its about not wanting to participate in a Socialist experiment any more which would have had serious repercussions for our entire way of life.  The UK is a sovereign State and should maintain the right to control our own destiny.  Our factories were being raped and pillaged in some cases with the EU paying to have them removed to other countries.  Artificial customs tariffs have been imposed on trade with non EU countries which restrict our ability to trade worldwide.  We are subject to ridiculously stupid rules and regulations which are killing small business. Fishing, farming and just about every traditional industry in our country has been blighted and tainted by the EU.  This had to stop and now it will!

But fishing, farming and traditional industry now forms a small part of our economy.  Whether we like it or not the service sector is the dominant sector in the UK. 

The economy is still fragile from the global financial crisis of 2008.  A period of instability could easily lead to recession. 

I don't see the EU making our exit easy and/or making any concessions.  They will want to deter others from leaving!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 26, 2016, 07:49:14 PM
you can still post your opinion holly,iam interested in your thoughts as many others are 8((()*/

Cheers rotti  8((()*/  Anyway makes a refreshing change from discussing JB or MM!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 26, 2016, 07:52:00 PM
From the onset , it was always pure B.S.

Top Vote Leave campaigner says Brexit might not lead to a reduction in migration


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683445/daniel-hannan-brexit-not-lead-cut-migration-vote-leave

MP Nigel Evans has admitted immigration will not fall significantly as a result of Brexit, claiming the referendum result only means “control” rather than a reduction in numbers.

The Conservative MP told BBC Radio 5 live there had been “some misunderstanding” about the consequences of Brexit on immigration.

When asked to say if migration to the UK would fall significantly now the country was leaving the EU, Mr Evans answered: “No."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-immigration-uk-nigel-evans-eu-referendum-latest-news-what-will-happen-migrants-a7104021.html

Control will be enhanced resulting in a drop in illegal immigration.  In addition, being outside the EU means we can send the illegals home.  Legal immigration will be at levels set by the government and not the EU.

As for Nigel Evans, well, nothing really.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 26, 2016, 07:54:29 PM
We were promised article 50 would be triggered
It has not been. It is quite conceivable that we will not leave the EU...as I predicted last week

It will be triggered when the UK decide and not at the insistence of anyone else.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2016, 07:54:44 PM
So here is some imaginary news that wasn't going to happen, according to Brexit.

HSBC 'to move jobs to Paris if UK leaves single market'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36629745

Where is Amageddon, as promised by 'remain'? We could play that game all night; he said, they said.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 26, 2016, 07:55:23 PM
So here is some imaginary news that wasn't going to happen, according to Brexit.

HSBC 'to move jobs to Paris if UK leaves single market'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36629745

Good riddance I say to the most corrupt Chinese bank in the world.  Why they haven't already had their licence revoked is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 26, 2016, 07:55:39 PM
I didn't vote leave, but I am defending the result because voters voted and decided. That's democracy, which we are all supposed to believe in.

Our politicians are elected and paid to make the result work and they need to get on and do their jobs. Both sides should accept the result and concentrate on making the future as good as it can be for the voters.

But if we elect politicians should we then have referendums on single policy issues?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 07:57:41 PM
Control will be enhanced resulting in a drop in illegal immigration.  In addition, being outside the EU means we can send the illegals home.  Legal immigration will be at levels set by the government and not the EU.

As for Nigel Evans, well, nothing really.

Again, they have to be processed.

What is the cost of repatriation per person ?

What if the countries involved refuse to take them back ?

I'm afraid using the argument of refusing them aid won't wash. They would get aid from other sources.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 07:59:47 PM
 Eleventh Shadow Minister Joins Exodus

http://news.sky.com/story/1717625/eleventh-shadow-minister-joins-exodus
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 08:01:36 PM
Where is Amageddon, as promised by 'remain'? We could play that game all night; he said, they said.

Of course.

The financial meltdown and loss of jobs has just begun.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 08:01:58 PM
So here is some imaginary news that wasn't going to happen, according to Brexit.

HSBC 'to move jobs to Paris if UK leaves single market'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36629745
i would like to tell the traitors to take their whole business to France and dont come back ,no doubt they will if we succeed,better off without them plenty of other banks from abroad are ready to fill the void  ?>)()<
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 08:03:54 PM
Good riddance I say to the most corrupt Chinese bank in the world.  Why they haven't already had their licence revoked is anyone's guess.

They are all in the same boat.

Unfortunately, they bring revenue to the exchequer.

....and when business is transferred elsewhere..............
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2016, 08:05:39 PM
But if we elect politicians should we then have referendums on single policy issues?

It would stop the situation we seem to be in now. People taking pens to make their vote unalterable because they distrust our institutions so much. We need something which reminds politicians who gave them the power they wield.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 08:07:30 PM
It would stop the situation we seem to be in now. People taking pens to make their vote unalterable because they distrust our institutions so much. We need something which reminds politicians who gave them the power they wield.
here here well said 8@??)(
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 08:10:38 PM
here here well said 8@??)(

So what action can  be taken ?

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 26, 2016, 08:16:28 PM
It will be triggered when the UK decide and not at the insistence of anyone else.

I think it could be "if" the politicians decide
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 08:21:56 PM
i would like to tell the traitors to take their whole business to France and dont come back ,no doubt they will if we succeed,better off without them plenty of other banks from abroad are ready to fill the void  ?>)()<

Traitors ???  *&*%£

Which other banks are those then ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 08:23:07 PM
Traitors ???  *&*%£

Which other banks are those then ?
wait and see  8)--))
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 26, 2016, 08:24:19 PM
It would stop the situation we seem to be in now. People taking pens to make their vote unalterable because they distrust our institutions so much. We need something which reminds politicians who gave them the power they wield.

My Italian hairdresser (born in UK) said he was taking a pen to vote with!

Maybe the whole system needs changing whereby instead of voting for a particular party the electorate votes on all major policy issues via an electronic system? 

I don't see why we had a referendum on the EU but not for example the Iraq war?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 08:25:07 PM
wait and see  8)--))

You haven't got a clue.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 08:51:21 PM
Who told you that Alfie? Nobody knows who voted for what.
Are you not aware of the demographics of those in the areas where the leave vote was strongest? 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 09:16:47 PM
My Italian hairdresser (born in UK) said he was taking a pen to vote with!

Maybe the whole system needs changing whereby instead of voting for a particular party the electorate votes on all major policy issues via an electronic system? 

I don't see why we had a referendum on the EU but not for example the Iraq war?
i agree holly in cases of war the people should decide 8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 26, 2016, 09:21:13 PM
The facts and the truth about the Scottish vote.

(http://i.imgur.com/gLQvoCT.jpg?1)
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 26, 2016, 09:23:12 PM
Are you not aware of the demographics of those in the areas where the leave vote was strongest?

To take one diverse area, tell me all about the West Midlands then. Who were those who voted leave there, with cites please.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 09:30:53 PM
To take one diverse area, tell me all about the West Midlands then. Who were those who voted leave there, with cites please.
Perhaps this will help, though a word of warning - it is from the MSM and not an anonymous blog so no doubt won't pass muster with you on the accuracy stakes.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2016/jun/24/the-areas-and-demographics-where-the-brexit-vote-was-won
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 09:31:40 PM
The facts and the truth about the Scottish vote.

(http://i.imgur.com/gLQvoCT.jpg?1)
We could play a similar game with the stats for the England referendum results.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 09:37:27 PM
The facts and the truth about the Scottish vote.

(http://i.imgur.com/gLQvoCT.jpg?1)

Well deja vu John.

The majority of the electorate did not vote to leave the EU.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 09:54:34 PM

So which banks will come here ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 09:59:02 PM

So which banks will come here ?
wait and see.over to you
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 26, 2016, 10:05:41 PM
I think the mps  who have stabbed Corbyn in the back like this are a disgrace
Shouldnt have voted for him then, as whingy as some brexiters who now alledgedly want to change their vote
Pathetic
This shambles goes from bad to worse



Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 26, 2016, 10:07:14 PM
Similarly in N Ireland:

(http://i.imgur.com/13arnRW.jpg)
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 10:10:18 PM
Brexit: Haunted Europe

The UK vote to leave throws into doubt the EU’s survival as support for expansion evaporates

(https://next-geebee.ft.com/image/v1/images/raw/http%3A%2F%2Fcom.ft.imagepublish.prod.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fa8ccc754-3bb9-11e6-8716-a4a71e8140b0?source=next&fit=scale-down&width=600)

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 26, 2016, 10:13:05 PM
Brexit: Haunted Europe

The UK vote to leave throws into doubt the EU’s survival as support for expansion evaporates

(https://next-geebee.ft.com/image/v1/images/raw/http%3A%2F%2Fcom.ft.imagepublish.prod.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fa8ccc754-3bb9-11e6-8716-a4a71e8140b0?source=next&fit=scale-down&width=600)


This is what the crisis is really all about.  The EU project is a dead duck in my opinion and what's more the EU Presidents all know it.  This is them fighting for survival.  If they had kept the Common Market and not attempted to integrate every country in Europe into one big federal institution they might have got away with it.  Talk of a federal socialist United States of Europe and of a European Army just went too far.

The EU was effectively too big for its boots!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 10:16:39 PM
Similarly in N Ireland:

(http://i.imgur.com/13arnRW.jpg)

What is your point John ?

We all know the majority of the UK electorate wasn't achieved in the referendum for leaving the EU.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 10:17:29 PM
I think the mps  who have stabbed Corbyn in the back like this are a disgrace
Shouldnt have voted for him then, as whingy as some brexiters who now alledgedly want to change their vote
Pathetic
This shambles goes from bad to worse
They didn't vote for him!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 10:18:38 PM
I think the mps  who have stabbed Corbyn in the back like this are a disgrace
Shouldnt have voted for him then, as whingy as some brexiters who now alledgedly want to change their vote
Pathetic
This shambles goes from bad to worse
here here.after he generously gave them positions in shadow cabinet ,the backstabbers should be expelled from the party 8()(((@#
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 10:19:26 PM
What is your point John ?

We all know the majority of the UK electorate wasn't achieved in the referendum for leaving the EU.
John seems to think that not voting is an implicit vote for leave for some reason!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 10:21:31 PM
Brexit: Haunted Europe

The UK vote to leave throws into doubt the EU’s survival as support for expansion evaporates

(https://next-geebee.ft.com/image/v1/images/raw/http%3A%2F%2Fcom.ft.imagepublish.prod.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fa8ccc754-3bb9-11e6-8716-a4a71e8140b0?source=next&fit=scale-down&width=600)
he looks worried ,maybe because he cant get anymore money out of us now 8)--))
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 10:26:08 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl6CocgWMAAAK_D.jpg)
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Admin on June 26, 2016, 10:28:34 PM
What is your point John ?

We all know the majority of the UK electorate wasn't achieved in the referendum for leaving the EU.

I think you misunderstand the reason for the graphics Stephen.   It has more to do with independence I suspect than it is to do with the EU.

The majority under the law was achieved though in the referendum and that's what counts.   The UK will leave the EU regardless of whinging Nicola Sturgeon.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 10:30:05 PM
he looks worried ,maybe because he cant get anymore money out of us now 8)--))

We are still in the EU.

We haven't left yet.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 26, 2016, 10:32:03 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl6CocgWMAAAK_D.jpg)
eloquent 8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 10:33:18 PM
I think you misunderstand the reason for the graphics Stephen.   It has more to do with independence I suspect than it is to do with the EU.

The majority under the law was achieved though in the referendum and that's what counts.   The UK will leave the EU regardless of whinging Nicola Sturgeon.

We shall see what happens.

What is clearly happening is political chaos.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Admin on June 26, 2016, 10:34:56 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl6CocgWMAAAK_D.jpg)

It is noticeable that Cameron is no Churchill.  The first sign of dissent and he's off.  Had Churchill done the same and turned his back on the country as our troops were fleeing Dunkirk we would all be one Europe now and speaking German.  David Cameron has let the country down badly.  Many people voted on the basis that he undertook to see the matter through to the end regardless of the outcome.  He lied.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 26, 2016, 10:36:42 PM
They didn't vote for him!
Whatever , thats not the point at the moment
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 26, 2016, 10:46:44 PM
here here.after he generously gave them positions in shadow cabinet ,the backstabbers should be expelled from the party 8()(((@#

Not sure why theyve walked out en masse in the first place, if its because he didnt do a good enough job persuading labour voters to vote remain, well, it seems NO ONE succeeded in getting the majorty of their supporters to vote a certain way, just because he ddnt resort to scaremongering like the others did? What did cameron and all tory remain mps achieve? what is the point in trying to break up labour party, if they thnk they can do better, let em try, they will get a load of vacuous mps floundering left right and centre, corbyn didnt get to his age in the party without knowing a thing or two, pathetic
Oh well, seems most of british politics now is undergoing a tectonic plate movement, volcanoes and all
,lets see what the landscape looks like in a few years, not forgetting scotland will have another referendum and exit by looks

Eta and I wouldnt be surprised if blairs grubby hands were part of this
If they thnk this is The way to avoid a power vaccuum and not left the ultra far right take over theyre deluded

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 26, 2016, 10:47:18 PM
here here.after he generously gave them positions in shadow cabinet ,the backstabbers should be expelled from the party 8()(((@#

After he  * generously *  gave them positions in shadow cabinet?

Good grief, like "Good boy, here have an ice cream" sort of thing ?


If he gave them those positions just out of * generosity *,  then Corbyn has no right to be Deputy Prime Minister.

We want a Shadow Cabinet that would be fit to take on the job of running the country at a moments notice, if needed


rotti, I think you have it wrong
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 26, 2016, 10:47:24 PM
It is noticeable that Cameron is no Churchill.  The first sign of dissent and he's off.  Had Churchill done the same and turned his back on the country as our troops were fleeing Dunkirk we would all be one Europe now and speaking German.  David Cameron has let the country down badly.  Many people voted on the basis that he undertook to see the matter through to the end regardless of the outcome.  He lied.

So what.

Johnson, Gove, Garage and co., lied through their teeth.

They are all as bad as each other.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 10:52:37 PM
Leading 'out' campaigner Boris Johnson says the margin by which the UK voted to leave the European Union was "not entirely overwhelming"

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak?lang=en-gb
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 26, 2016, 10:53:55 PM
So what.

Johnson, Give, Garage and co., lied through their teeth.

They are all as bad as each other.
But they are all glb chancers, imo who couldnt give a stuff, the PM is supposed to have some integrity, his position demands it



Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 26, 2016, 10:54:39 PM
So what.

Johnson, Give, Garage and co., lied through their teeth.

They are all as bad as each other.

Have you turned into a gad ventriloquist? I can see your licks ooving
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 26, 2016, 10:55:43 PM
Justine Greening: No need for Tory leadership contest if Boris Johnson and Theresa May make a deal

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/boris-johnson/news/76606/justine-greening-no-need-tory
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 26, 2016, 10:57:27 PM
But they are all glb chancers, imo who couldnt give a stuff, the PM is supposed to have some integrity, his position demands it

He  blew that away when he thought he could have the top job and have friends as well.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 26, 2016, 10:59:40 PM
Leading 'out' campaigner Boris Johnson says the margin by which the UK voted to leave the European Union was "not entirely overwhelming"

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak?lang=en-gb

It wasnt even slightly overwhelmng,what a prick

But it was a majority, so unless the law is changed to say how much of a majority is needed then its immaterial, same goes for general elections where we have the ridiculous first past the post system, dont see them claiming the majority wwsnt overwhelming

Obviously this problem wouldnt exist if any govt truly governed with everyones interests in mind
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 26, 2016, 11:02:16 PM
John seems to think that not voting is an implicit vote for leave for some reason!

It doesn't say anything of the sort.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 26, 2016, 11:04:26 PM
Justine Greening: No need for Tory leadership contest if Boris Johnson and Theresa May make a deal

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/boris-johnson/news/76606/justine-greening-no-need-tory

Oh right, lets get rid of democracy altogether then, half the tories are squabbling with each other and this no mark comes up with this idea, will go down like a lead balloon I imagine
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 26, 2016, 11:05:17 PM
It wasnt even slightly overwhelmng,what a prick

But it was a majority, so unless the law is changed to say how much of a majority is needed then its immaterial, same goes for general elections where we have the ridiculous first past the post system, dont see them claiming the majority wwsnt overwhelming

Obviously this problem wouldnt exist if any govt truly governed with everyones interests in mind

That's correct, even if it had been a one vote majority the UK government would be bound to accept it.

Corbyn will hang on as long as he thinks he can get away with it.  There is not much honour among any MP's these days.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 26, 2016, 11:11:54 PM
He  blew that away when he thought he could have the top job and have friends as well.
This is true universally
He thought being PM was no harder than going on big brother or something, like a little kid in a sweetshop he was when campaigning to become so,  normally PMs go grey haired after a couple years in the job, his always stayed brown, probably chucked all the slog and decisions to others


Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 11:16:21 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl6CocgWMAAAK_D.jpg)
To be  fair Churchill did kick the whole thing off with his "we must build a united states of Europe" speech...

http://www.churchill-society-london.org.uk/astonish.html
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 26, 2016, 11:18:33 PM
That's correct, even if it had been a one vote majority the UK government would be bound to accept it.

Corbyn will hang on as long as he thinks he can get away with it.  There is not much honour among any MP's these days.

JC doesnt seem to be or given me any reason to thnk he is not honourable, just because hes not a bully like some of them, people think he has no nous, principles, stamina ,integrity or aces, hes not Blair, hes not Milliband hes not the flapping welsh guy (forget his name), he certainly puts Cameron and others under the thub screws in prime mnsters questions even if they evade and avoid the issues, but hes the bad guy it seems cos he has a beard is old not attractive and loyal to his party
Id defend any tory or any other party member wh has been villified so much for no reason

Pathetic
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 11:20:52 PM
It doesn't say anything of the sort.
what then is the point you are trying to make with your two graphics?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 26, 2016, 11:28:00 PM
JC doesnt seem to be or given me any reason to thnk he is not honourable, just because hes not a bully like some of them, people think he has no nous, principles, stamina ,integrity or aces, hes not Blair, hes not Milliband hes not the flapping welsh guy (forget his name), he certainly puts Cameron and others under the thub screws in prime mnsters questions even if they evade and avoid the issues, but hes the bad guy it seems cos he has a beard is old not attractive and loyal to his party
Id defend any tory or any other party member wh has been villified so much for no reason

Pathetic
What matters is not his looks or dress sense nor even principles, stamina and integrity really.  What matters is if he can steer Labour to a victory at the next general election.  Many Labour MPs (who presumably know a bit about these things) fear that he cannot.  It's no good being a principled saint of a leader if you can't actually lead and inspire too
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 26, 2016, 11:40:19 PM
What matters is not his looks or dress sense nor even principles, stamina and integrity really.  What matters is if he can steer Labour to a victory at the next general election.  Many Labour MPs (who presumably know a bit about these things) fear that he cannot.  It's no good being a principled saint of a leader if you can't actually lead and inspire too

Are they mystic megs? How do they know Labour cant win a GE with him as leader if the labour message/mission is communicated to the population,and is a winner, surely its the message not who delivers it.

They failed with Milliband twice, what makes them think another floosy/wrong person for the job will lead them to a victory.  More years wasted. COrbyn hasnt even been given half a chance. Quick fixes never work.

As for inspration, well most of the population are s ocynical of the whole political world now , nt just in ths country, it is an uphill struggle for anybody to be clapped by millions. SUch is the damage done by the globalist capitalists

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 27, 2016, 06:42:56 AM
Perhaps this will help, though a word of warning - it is from the MSM and not an anonymous blog so no doubt won't pass muster with you on the accuracy stakes.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2016/jun/24/the-areas-and-demographics-where-the-brexit-vote-was-won

The Guardian did lots of lovely maps and dropped lots of hints but;

While the measures demonstrate a strong correlation between a leave vote and education, income and class they are by no means the direct cause of a Brexit.

What you need to remember is;

outside the capital, every English region had a majority for leave.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2016/jun/24/the-areas-and-demographics-where-the-brexit-vote-was-won

It seems those lower class badly educated poorly paid people live...............everywhere.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 27, 2016, 07:02:01 AM
What matters is not his looks or dress sense nor even principles, stamina and integrity really.  What matters is if he can steer Labour to a victory at the next general election.  Many Labour MPs (who presumably know a bit about these things) fear that he cannot.  It's no good being a principled saint of a leader if you can't actually lead and inspire too

We shall see this week. He was never accepted by those who have stamped off, but he gave them a chance to work with him. From the beginning they have complained and undermined him so they didn't even try. He's still there though and they're not. Perhaps he can appoint a team now who will work with him, perhaps not, but if he wasn't getting messages of support I expect he would have gone by now.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 27, 2016, 07:39:42 AM
That's correct, even if it had been a one vote majority the UK government would be bound to accept it.

Corbyn will hang on as long as he thinks he can get away with it.  There is not much honour among any MP's these days.

the govt are NOT bound to accept it....you are way off the mark
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 27, 2016, 07:58:11 AM
the govt are NOT bound to accept it....you are way off the mark

Legally, no. Morally? Well, the morals of our political classes haven't impressed me, but so far they seem to be saying they have accepted it.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 27, 2016, 08:01:31 AM
Legally, no. Morally? Well, the morals of our political classes haven't impressed me, but so far they seem to be saying they have accepted it.

the most important person...Cameron has not accepted it and has resigned rather than accept it
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 27, 2016, 08:03:01 AM
Plot to stop Britain's exit from the EU: Bitter losers from all parties gang up to try to overturn the referendum result - which was voted for by 17 million people

from todays Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 27, 2016, 08:07:47 AM
The Guardian did lots of lovely maps and dropped lots of hints but;

While the measures demonstrate a strong correlation between a leave vote and education, income and class they are by no means the direct cause of a Brexit.

What you need to remember is;

outside the capital, every English region had a majority for leave.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2016/jun/24/the-areas-and-demographics-where-the-brexit-vote-was-won

It seems those lower class badly educated poorly paid people live...............everywhere.
yes, and what are you going to tell those who voted for Brexit that the prices of food, clothes and electricals are going to become even less affordable than before, as you have suggested they would and should?!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 27, 2016, 08:09:25 AM
Boris is telling us there's no rush and seems to want his European cake and eat it now.... &%+((£
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 27, 2016, 08:22:44 AM
Boris is telling us there's no rush and seems to want his European cake and eat it now.... &%+((£

Could this be a wake up call to the EU?

That there is concern about the direction of travel from trading bloc to federal state with political and fiscal integration,  and this will result in a change to the EU. 

Junker is keen to get on with it - my impression is he can see his power and position in danger of slipping away.

In my view Boris is right - a cool, clear and step by step approach is needed. 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 27, 2016, 08:25:30 AM
Boris is telling us there's no rush and seems to want his European cake and eat it now.... &%+((£

Following cowardly Cameron's resignation Boris Johnson has leadership aspirations. Anything he says now he is saying with that in mind.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 27, 2016, 08:27:37 AM
It is noticeable that Cameron is no Churchill.  The first sign of dissent and he's off.  Had Churchill done the same and turned his back on the country as our troops were fleeing Dunkirk we would all be one Europe now and speaking German.  David Cameron has let the country down badly.  Many people voted on the basis that he undertook to see the matter through to the end regardless of the outcome.  He lied.

Cameron did not lie...your claim is untrue and libellous...but of course it will be allowed to stand
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 27, 2016, 08:50:56 AM
Following cowardly Cameron's resignation Boris Johnson has leadership aspirations. Anything he says now he is saying with that in mind.
Why cowardly?  He did absolutely the right thing by standing down.  Would you entrust the removal of our country from the EU to a man who campaigned hard for us not to leave?  Far better to be done by someone in charge who actually believes in what he or she is doing, don't you think?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 27, 2016, 08:55:30 AM
Cameron did not lie...your claim is untrue and libellous...but of course it will be allowed to stand

I can't find a direct quote from Cameron, but the general consensus seems to be;

Cameron, they argue, had repeatedly said during the campaign that article 50 would be triggered immediately if Vote Leave were to win the Brexit referendum.

EU members expected Cameron to follow through;

The president of the European parliament, Martin Schulz, has said he expects Cameron to initiate the process on Tuesday evening, making the formal announcement that Britain intends to exit the EU at the summit dinner he is due to address before going home and leaving – for the first time – the other 27 member states to discuss Britain’s situation without him the following day.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/who-will-dare-pull-trigger-article-50-eu
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 08:58:29 AM
Following cowardly Cameron's resignation Boris Johnson has leadership aspirations. Anything he says now he is saying with that in mind.

Boris did not give a monkey's about whether we are in or out.

It was all about his bid for power.

He and Cameron have been rivals for years going back to University.

The bottom line is Johnson and his fellows lied to the electorate and some were taken in by the B.S., others wanted out for other reasons.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 27, 2016, 09:02:32 AM
Why cowardly?  He did absolutely the right thing by standing down.  Would you entrust the removal of our country from the EU to a man who campaigned hard for us not to leave?  Far better to be done by someone in charge who actually believes in what he or she is doing, don't you think?

All he had to do was tell the EU on Tuesday that the UK was invoking article 50. He could then stand down and leave the negotiations to his successor. That, in my opinion, was his duty fulfilled.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 27, 2016, 09:07:37 AM
Boris did not give a monkey's about whether we are in or out.

It was all about his bid for power.

He and Cameron have been rivals for years going back to University.

The bottom line is Johnson and his fellows lied to the electorate and some were taken in by the B.S., others wanted out for other reasons.

Both sides lied to the electorate. I expect some voters on both sides believed the lies they wanted to believe. Others, as you say, had other reasons to vote the way they did. The result remains.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 09:10:07 AM
' Racist incidents feared to be linked to Brexit result '

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/racist-incidents-feared-to-be-linked-to-brexit-result-reported-in-england-and-wales

There will be more.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 09:13:38 AM
' EU may refuse informal Brexit talks until UK triggers article 50 '

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/26/eu-may-refuse-informal-brexit-talks-until-uk-triggers-article-50
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 27, 2016, 09:19:22 AM
' Racist incidents feared to be linked to Brexit result '

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/racist-incidents-feared-to-be-linked-to-brexit-result-reported-in-england-and-wales

There will be more.

I've already been called a racist, because I voted leave.

I don't mind being called racist for being a racist.

But I object to being called racist on the basis that I voted leave.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 09:23:02 AM
I've already been called a racist, because I voted leave.

I don't mind being called racist for a being racist.

But I object to being called racist on the basis that I voted leave.

Try reading the story.

It does not say all brexit voters are racist, though some undoubtedly are.

' The Metropolitan police confirmed they had been called to the cultural centre on Sunday morning and were pursuing inquiries related to “allegedly racially motivated criminal damage”. '
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 27, 2016, 09:40:00 AM
Racism in this country would stop if all the foreigners went home.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 09:43:03 AM
Racism in this country would stop if all the foreigners went home.


Grow up.

This country has been built up by immigration over thousands of years.

Your above comment is incitement.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 27, 2016, 09:45:17 AM
' Brexit to cause immigration surge as 500,000 East Europeans 'will rush in before borders close' '

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-cause-immigration-surge-500000-8283329

In reality the brexiters had no idea how to control immigration, it was all slogans.

Now the reality will bite.
impossible the only people left in poland and Romania are the presidents and their wife's @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 27, 2016, 09:51:37 AM

Grow up.

This country has been built up by immigration over thousands of years.

Your above comment is incitement.

It's not incitement. It's a simple statement of fact.

If there weren't any foreigners, there wouldn't be any racism.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 27, 2016, 09:57:52 AM
Racism in this country would stop if all the foreigners went home.
thats a bit strong .impossible it will happen. not unless hitler was reincarnated and became prime minister
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 10:04:49 AM
It's not incitement. It's a simple statement of fact.

If there weren't any foreigners, there wouldn't be any racism.

Are you just the eternal wind up merchant or just plain ignorant.

Do you know what is meant by the designation 'Homo Sapiens Sapiens'  ?

If you don't , look it up.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 27, 2016, 10:06:52 AM
anyway,has anyone been to marble arch recently ,is the open air roma camp still there &%+((£
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 27, 2016, 10:11:48 AM
Are you just the eternal wind up merchant or just plain ignorant.

Do you know what is meant by the designation 'Homo Sapiens Sapiens'  ?

If you don't , look it up.

I'm just looking at the issue & blue sky thinking for a way to end racism.

No foreigners, no racism.

Seems like the simplest solution to me.

But perhaps not my final solution.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 27, 2016, 10:12:38 AM
its just a matter of numbers ,no one is racists but we just cant cope with anymore the country will only get worse if nothings done
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 27, 2016, 10:16:34 AM
also any money made in uk through working  by eu workers should remain and be spent in the uk,we cant have someone sending 100's of pounds a month back to their own countrys in the eu.thats not on
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 27, 2016, 10:17:10 AM
All he had to do was tell the EU on Tuesday that the UK was invoking article 50. He could then stand down and leave the negotiations to his successor. That, in my opinion, was his duty fulfilled.
Then why do you think he has not done so?  Where does cowardice come into play?  surely he would be being applauded by the majority of this country who voted leave for doing so.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 10:18:11 AM
'Spate of racist attacks blamed on Brexit vote'

 Camilla Turner

26 JUNE 2016 • 6:58PM

The vote for Brexit has been blamed for a spate of racist attacks over the weekend - including “no more Polish vermin” cards posted through letter boxes and allegedly racist graffiti daubed across a Polish cultural centre.

Baroness Warsi suggested that the “divisive and xenophobic” Leave campaign bore responsibility for the "problems on our street", adding that a series of "really disturbing" hate crimes had taken place since the vote for Brexit.

Cambridgeshire Constabulary were investigating reports that laminated signs reading "Leave the EU - no more Polish vermin" had been posted to members of the Polish community in Huntingdon.

Detective Superintendent Martin Brunning said: “The production and distribution of this and any other similar material is committing the crime of inciting racial hatred,” adding that it carries a maximum sentence of seven years in prison.

The Polish President’s spokesman said the posters were “pure racism” and demanded that Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage condemn “this outrageous barbarity”.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/spate-of-racist-attacks-blamed-on-brexit-vote/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 10:21:17 AM
also any money made in uk through working  by eu workers should remain and be spent in the uk,we cant have someone sending 100's of pounds a month back to their own countrys in the eu.thats not on

Have you not comprehended yet, that both EU and non-EU immigrants have been net financial beneficiaries to this countries Economy ?

Get your head out of the sand and get real.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 27, 2016, 10:22:21 AM
Then why do you think he has not done so?  Where does cowardice come into play?  surely he would be being applauded by the majority of this country who voted leave for doing so.
i think he has not done so for spite or he's hoping something will comeup so that he can get reinstated .like all politictions they never want to give up the TOP job.remember  iron lady maggie was in tears after the night of the long knives when she was ousted
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 27, 2016, 10:25:01 AM
Have you not comprehended yet, that both EU and non-EU immigrants have been net financial beneficiaries to this countries Economy ?

Get your head out of the sand and get real.
your the one who needs to take his head out the sand,incase you havnt noticed we voted leave,stop crying and accept it,when do you seep youve been at it now for 4 days solid @)(++(*l
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 27, 2016, 10:26:59 AM
'Spate of racist attacks blamed on Brexit vote'

 Camilla Turner

26 JUNE 2016 • 6:58PM

The vote for Brexit has been blamed for a spate of racist attacks over the weekend - including “no more Polish vermin” cards posted through letter boxes and allegedly racist graffiti daubed across a Polish cultural centre.

Baroness Warsi suggested that the “divisive and xenophobic” Leave campaign bore responsibility for the "problems on our street", adding that a series of "really disturbing" hate crimes had taken place since the vote for Brexit.

Cambridgeshire Constabulary were investigating reports that laminated signs reading "Leave the EU - no more Polish vermin" had been posted to members of the Polish community in Huntingdon.

Detective Superintendent Martin Brunning said: “The production and distribution of this and any other similar material is committing the crime of inciting racial hatred,” adding that it carries a maximum sentence of seven years in prison.

The Polish President’s spokesman said the posters were “pure racism” and demanded that Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage condemn “this outrageous barbarity”.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/spate-of-racist-attacks-blamed-on-brexit-vote/
racists.are the poles not anglo saxons
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 10:27:42 AM
your the one who needs to take his head out the sand,incase you havnt noticed we voted leave,stop crying and accept it,when do you seep youve been at it now for 4 days solid @)(++(*l

Who is crying ?

We haven't left the EU yet. 8(0(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 10:40:17 AM
racists.are the poles not anglo saxons

No.

Sky News a few minutes ago, were reporting on outbreaks of racist incidents since Friday.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 27, 2016, 10:46:20 AM
Then why do you think he has not done so?  Where does cowardice come into play?  surely he would be being applauded by the majority of this country who voted leave for doing so.

If you start something you should see it through not run away.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 27, 2016, 10:48:11 AM
Have you not comprehended yet, that both EU and non-EU immigrants have been net financial beneficiaries to this countries Economy ?

Get your head out of the sand and get real.

So the families in London in million pound houses on benefits are a net benefit to the economy...
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 27, 2016, 10:52:10 AM
If you start something you should see it through not run away.
He's not run away, he is still PM.  He would presumably be popular with the majority if he were to trigger article 50, would he not?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 27, 2016, 11:15:30 AM
Cameron did not lie...your claim is untrue and libellous...but of course it will be allowed to stand

Cameron did lie.  I like most people voted on the basis that Cameron stated he would take the country forward regardless of the outcome.
Title: Re: Re: EU membership, should we stay or leave?
Post by: Brietta on June 27, 2016, 11:19:07 AM
He's not run away, he is still PM.  He would presumably be popular with the majority if he were to trigger article 50, would he not?

What is really needed is a period of stability for the country.  Cameron remaining to ease some of the problems of the governing party while it elects its new leader does that  in small measure.

Opening Pandora's box has been a messy ill thought through exercise as far as our unwritten constitution is concerned and for the stability of the country. As some voices from the North of Ireland and Scotland would seem to confirm.

As a democrat I abide by the will of the majority, doesn't mean I have to like it though; it remains to be seen for how long the majority will be happy with it as grim reality hits home ~ particularly as no-one least of all the Brexiters seems to have taken the time to have laid the foundation for new trade deals or confirmation of old ones.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 27, 2016, 11:22:43 AM
What is really needed is a period of stability for the country.  Cameron remaining to ease some of the problems of the governing party while it elects its new leader does that  in small measure.

Opening Pandora's box has been a messy ill thought through exercise as far as our unwritten constitution is concerned and for the stability of the country. As some voices from the North of Ireland and Scotland would seem to confirm.

As a democrat I abide by the will of the majority, doesn't mean I have to like it though; it remains to be seen for how long the majority will be happy with it as grim reality hits home ~ particularly as no-one least of all the Brexiters seems to have taken the time to have laid the foundation for new trade deals or confirmation of old ones.
cant be any worse than we have had already 40 odd yrs of being in the eu,and the country has gone to the dogs
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 11:27:34 AM
cant be any worse than we have had already 40 odd yrs of being in the eu,and the country has gone to the dogs

How has the EU harmed you.

Up to Friday, we has the 5 th largest economy in the world, now 'slipped' to 6 th, as reported on Sky News.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 27, 2016, 11:32:25 AM
How has the EU harmed you.

Up to Friday, we has the 5 th largest economy in the world, now 'slipped' to 6 th, as reported on Sky News.
slipping 1 place is not bad at all considering we havnt started yet,all is bright steph 8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 27, 2016, 11:32:53 AM
Cameron did lie.  I like most people voted on the basis that Cameron stated he would take the country forward regardless of the outcome.
Would you have voted differently if he'd said in advance of the referendum that he would not trigger article 50 in the event of a leave victory?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 27, 2016, 11:34:39 AM
slipping 1 place is not bad at all considering we havnt started yet,all is bright steph 8((()*/
Yes, we'll be down to 10th by this time next year no doubt, and then where?  But at least there'll be fewer of those pesky foreigners stealing our jobs and our womenfolk, eh?  8(0(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 11:35:44 AM
slipping 1 place is not bad at all considering we havnt started yet,all is bright steph 8((()*/

What exactly is 'bright' ?

There is political uncertainty.

Both main parties are at loggerheads internally.

The economic outlook is uncertain.


So again, how has the EU harmed you ?

An easy question to answer.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 27, 2016, 11:36:25 AM
Some people seem to be falling for the suggestions that those who voted to leave the EU are;

Guilible
Uneducated
Lower class
Poor

and now racist.

Strangely a lot of sinilar accusations have been leveled at those who doubt the McCann's abduction story.
That's consistent in respect of those who doubt the McCanns and support the 'leave' vote, but inconsistent in respect of those who doubt the McCanns and support the 'remain' vote.

You can hold different opinions on different issues, but if you're lacking in judgement on one issue you're likely to be lacking in judgement on the other too.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 11:37:00 AM
Yes, we'll be down to 10th by this time next year no doubt, and then where?  But at least there'll be fewer of those pesky foreigners stealing our jobs and our womenfolk, eh?  8(0(*

Nice one Alfie. 8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 11:39:50 AM
Some people seem to be falling for the suggestions that those who voted to leave the EU are;

Guilible
Uneducated
Lower class
Poor

and now racist.

Strangely a lot of sinilar accusations have been leveled at those who doubt the McCann's abduction story.
That's consistent in respect of those who doubt the McCanns and support the 'leave' vote, but inconsistent in respect of those who doubt the McCanns and support the 'remain' vote.

You can hold different opinions on different issues, but if you're lacking in judgement on one issue you're likely to be lacking in judgement on the other too.

Some are racist.

Some did not even know what they voted for.

Some believe we are better by ourselves.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 27, 2016, 11:43:43 AM
Cameron at 3.50

"You will decide and whatever your decision I will do my best to deliver it".


Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 27, 2016, 11:51:14 AM
As I stated last week, George Osborne has been working behind the scenes to stabilize the economy following the Brexit vote.

This morning he delivered his statement.

At 1.30

"And now that the people have spoken, we in this democracy must accept that result and deliver on that instruction."

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 27, 2016, 11:53:21 AM
Some people seem to be falling for the suggestions that those who voted to leave the EU are;

Guilible
Uneducated
Lower class
Poor

and now racist.

Strangely a lot of sinilar accusations have been leveled at those who doubt the McCann's abduction story.
That's consistent in respect of those who doubt the McCanns and support the 'leave' vote, but inconsistent in respect of those who doubt the McCanns and support the 'remain' vote.

You can hold different opinions on different issues, but if you're lacking in judgement on one issue you're likely to be lacking in judgement on the other too.

Oh please.  Not everyone who voted Leave is a racist, but certainly most racists in this country voted Leave.  As for the rest, I don't know why you seek to deny the fact that in large part  it is the less privileged in society, some of whom have come out to vote for the first time in their lives, those who feel betrayed by Labour and who feel that the only party that now understands them is UKIP (and other less savoury Nationalist parties) who have had a major impact on this result.  Why does that seem to grate with you so?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 11:57:19 AM
As I stated last week, George Osborne has been working behind the scenes to stabilize the economy following the Brexit vote.

This morning he delivered his statement.


I'm afraid you didn't need to state it or predict it.

That was already known, from the BoE.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 27, 2016, 12:08:21 PM
It has been confirmed, Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon does not have the power to veto #Brexit.


Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 27, 2016, 12:35:51 PM
Oh please.  Not everyone who voted Leave is a racist, but certainly most racists in this country voted Leave.  As for the rest, I don't know why you seek to deny the fact that in large part  it is the less privileged in society, some of whom have come out to vote for the first time in their lives, those who feel betrayed by Labour and who feel that the only party that now understands them is UKIP (and other less savoury Nationalist parties) who have had a major impact on this result.  Why does that seem to grate with you so?

You seem to be convinced that is true. It has certainly been inferred, but proved? I think not. That's what grates with me, innuendo being accepted and presented as truth.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 27, 2016, 12:48:18 PM
Yes, we'll be down to 10th by this time next year no doubt, and then where?  But at least there'll be fewer of those pesky foreigners stealing our jobs and our womenfolk, eh?  8(0(*
with people like you around we might,stop worrying your selfs and give it a chance 8)--))
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Brietta on June 27, 2016, 12:48:40 PM
It has been confirmed, Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon does not have the power to veto #Brexit.


As I said, John, it is a constitutional mess.

The previous referendum in Scotland was very divisive and the effects of that are still being felt.

We have just had a demonstration in this referendum of the annulment of many of the arguments which carried the day for the BETTER TOGETHER campaign.  It was a close run thing. 

Whether or not the first minister is able to block Brexit ... it is worth bearing in mind that the majority of the contingent of elected representatives from Scotland in Westminster are Nats. 
To date their behaviour has been on the whole impeccable but it is a different ball game now.  I would warn ... "You ain't seen nothin' yet!"
Parliament could turn out to be a very interesting theatre for them to perform in (and for the rest of us to watch) when their leash is loosened.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 27, 2016, 12:52:26 PM
on a lighter note 2 shadow cabinit jobs have been filled by people who will support jc not stab him in the back.i said there we plenty of others to fill the backstabbers jobs 8((()*/
Title: Re: Re: EU membership, should we stay or leave?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 27, 2016, 12:59:28 PM
What is really needed is a period of stability for the country.  Cameron remaining to ease some of the problems of the governing party while it elects its new leader does that  in small measure.

Opening Pandora's box has been a messy ill thought through exercise as far as our unwritten constitution is concerned and for the stability of the country. As some voices from the North of Ireland and Scotland would seem to confirm.

As a democrat I abide by the will of the majority, doesn't mean I have to like it though; it remains to be seen for how long the majority will be happy with it as grim reality hits home ~ particularly as no-one least of all the Brexiters seems to have taken the time to have laid the foundation for new trade deals or confirmation of old ones.

They can't until Article 50 in invoked. Then the fun starts.
At present we in the same position as the Grand Old Duke of York. "neither up nor down".
EU negotiator: So Mr UK you wish to remain in the single market?
UK negotiator: Yes
EU negotiator: We can see how that would be beneficial to you; what will you give us in exchange.
UK negotiator: Nothing
EU negotiator: Close the door on the way out please.
UK negotiator: 'ang on a mo what do you want then ?
EU negotiator: Free movement of labour.
UK negotiator: OK then it's a deal.
EU negotiator: and compliance with our directives as appropriate.
UK negotiator: Any room for maneuvre on that.
EU negotiator: Not a lot; do you want to be in the single market or not? it comes at a price. Norway warned you of that before your referendum.
UK negotiator: OK we will stay out of the single market.
EU negotiator: Fair enough but if you wish to sell goods into the single market you must observe all appropriate EU directives.
UK negotiator: errr errr errm ?

Of course some think that because the Germans want to sell BMWs and Bosch whitegoods here and the French want to sell champagne here that gives us a lot of clout.
 8(0(*

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 12:59:54 PM
on a lighter note 2 shadow cabinit jobs have been filled by people who will support jc not stab him in the back.i said there we plenty of others to fill the backstabbers jobs 8((()*/

Well, you got what you voted for.

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/usd/5095-pound-to-dollar-exchange-rate-222311

and

Osborne breaks cover to insist economy is ‘strong’ but pound hits NEW 31-year low and markets tumble again

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1347831/george-osborne-reassures-britain-is-open-for-business-as-pound-plummets-again-overnight-in-wake-of-vote-to-leave-eu/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Brietta on June 27, 2016, 01:03:23 PM
on a lighter note 2 shadow cabinit jobs have been filled by people who will support jc not stab him in the back.i said there we plenty of others to fill the backstabbers jobs 8((()*/

I don't think it is as simple as that, Rotti.
He never was Prime Ministerial material ... and he has proved that during the campaign as he was unable to give the lead to Labour voters ... perhaps because his heart really wasn't in it.

If he is unable to reach the Labour grass roots voters, what chance does he have of reaching out to anyone else in the country, 'undecided' or not?
Great to have principles ... but to implement them, you've got to be in power.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 01:04:38 PM
Corbyn asked which way he voted.

There was no reply.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 27, 2016, 01:05:30 PM
Well, you got what you voted for.

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/usd/5095-pound-to-dollar-exchange-rate-222311

and

Osborne breaks cover to insist economy is ‘strong’ but pound hits NEW 31-year low and markets tumble again

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1347831/george-osborne-reassures-britain-is-open-for-business-as-pound-plummets-again-overnight-in-wake-of-vote-to-leave-eu/
31 yrs that means we were in the eu the last time they were this low,we done the right thing to get out,it will be fine
Title: Re: Re: EU membership, should we stay or leave?
Post by: Brietta on June 27, 2016, 01:05:44 PM
They can't until Article 50 in invoked. Then the fun starts.
At present we in the same position as the Grand Old Duke of York. "neither up nor down".
EU negotiator: So Mr UK you wish to remain in the single market?
UK negotiator: Yes
EU negotiator: We can see how that would be beneficial to you; what will you give us in exchange.
UK negotiator: Nothing
EU negotiator: Close the door on the way out please.
UK negotiator: 'ang on a mo what do you want then ?
EU negotiator: Free movement of labour.
UK negotiator: OK then it's a deal.
EU negotiator: and compliance with our directives as appropriate.
UK negotiator: Any room for maneuvre on that.
EU negotiator: Not a lot; do you want to be in the single market or not? it comes at a price. Norway warned you of that before your referendum.
UK negotiator: OK we will stay out of the single market.
EU negotiator: Fair enough but if you wish to sell goods into the single market you must observe all appropriate EU directives.
UK negotiator: errr errr errm ?

Of course some think that because the Germans want to sell BMWs and Bosch whitegoods here and the French want to sell champagne here that gives us a lot of clout.
 8(0(*

I think they are going to skin us alive, Alice.  I would were I them and had elections looming.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 27, 2016, 01:07:43 PM
Well, you got what you voted for.

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/usd/5095-pound-to-dollar-exchange-rate-222311

and

Osborne breaks cover to insist economy is ‘strong’ but pound hits NEW 31-year low and markets tumble again

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1347831/george-osborne-reassures-britain-is-open-for-business-as-pound-plummets-again-overnight-in-wake-of-vote-to-leave-eu/

Good for tourism and foreigners who wish to buy British goods.
Could be the start of an economic upturn...... ?{)(**
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 01:10:14 PM
Good for tourism and foreigners who wish to buy British goods.
Could be the start of an economic upturn...... ?{)(**

So more EU citizens arrive and decide to stay. 8)--))
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 27, 2016, 01:10:47 PM
on a lighter note 2 shadow cabinit jobs have been filled by people who will support jc not stab him in the back.i said there we plenty of others to fill the backstabbers jobs 8((()*/

So far he hasn't rolled over and given in to those who thought they were so important that if they resigned he couldn't carry on. He has also promised he will stand again if they force a leadership election. Has he called their bluff? I guess we will have to wait and see what happens next. They may have played into his hands, you never know.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 27, 2016, 01:15:49 PM
You seem to be convinced that is true. It has certainly been inferred, but proved? I think not. That's what grates with me, innuendo being accepted and presented as truth.
It's not just me saying it, it's every paper, every analysis of the demographical data, every news commentator, every Labour politician.  If you refuse to accept it then that's your choice but it strikes me as very odd behaviour on your part.  Which bit do you consider to be innuendo or untrue?
Title: Re: Re: EU membership, should we stay or leave?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 27, 2016, 01:16:41 PM
I think they are going to skin us alive, Alice.  I would were I them and had elections looming.

Yeah but we got our borders back. I wasn't aware we had lost them mind.
Punch line of joke.
Latvian kid at school when asked where the English border is "in bed wiv me mum that's why I had FA for breakfast miss"
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 27, 2016, 01:16:47 PM
with people like you around we might,stop shitting your selfs and give it a chance 8)--))
I never started shitting myselfs but thanks for the advice.  8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 01:18:42 PM
Well Boris has now changed his tune.

He now wants the UK to stay in the single market.

Immigration is not the most important issue.


As just reported on the BBC News.


Also, apparently, Tom Watson, Deputy leader of the Labour Party has suggested apparently for Corbyn to fall his sword, after 28 resignations from the Shadow Cabinet.
Title: Re: Re: EU membership, should we stay or leave?
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 01:19:50 PM
Yeah but we got our borders back. I wasn't aware we had lost them mind.
Punch line of joke.
Latvian kid at school when asked where the English border is "in bed wiv me mum that's why I had FA for breakfast miss"

 Naughty but nice. 8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 27, 2016, 01:19:56 PM
So far he hasn't rolled over and given in to those who thought they were so important that if they resigned he couldn't carry on. He has also promised he will stand again if they force a leadership election. Has he called their bluff? I guess we will have to wait and see what happens next. They may have played into his hands, you never know.
If he was really clever he'd out himself as a Leaver and promise to do all he can to ensure a smooth and successful remvoval from the EU.  Then he might stand a chance of winning the next election.   It would mean performing a major U-turn of course.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 27, 2016, 01:20:28 PM
I never started shitting myselfs but thanks for the advice.  8((()*/
sorry that should have read 'worrying,apologies.will modify it
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 27, 2016, 01:30:42 PM
Well Boris has now changed his tune.

He now wants the UK to stay in the single market.

Immigration is not the most important issue.


As just reported on the BBC News.


Also, apparently, Tom Watson, Deputy leader of the Labour Party has suggested apparently for Corbyn to fall his sword, after 28 resignations from the Shadow Cabinet.

stay in the single market......you are getting confused...Brexit is about EU membership...not access to the european market
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 27, 2016, 01:34:22 PM
It's not just me saying it, it's every paper, every analysis of the demographical data, every news commentator, every Labour politician.  If you refuse to accept it then that's your choice but it strikes me as very odd behaviour on your part.  Which bit do you consider to be innuendo or untrue?

People like to suggest simple explanations to complex questions. In reality a complex question require complex answers;

Political scientists will argue over the significance of education status in the referendum. You don't need a degree, however, to see how Corby's recent history played its part in the result, too
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36624413

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 27, 2016, 01:44:06 PM
Well Boris has now changed his tune.

He now wants the UK to stay in the single market.

Immigration is not the most important issue.


As just reported on the BBC News.


Also, apparently, Tom Watson, Deputy leader of the Labour Party has suggested apparently for Corbyn to fall his sword, after 28 resignations from the Shadow Cabinet.


A spokesman for Mr Corbyn said the leader was "categorically not" told to quit by Mr Watson.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36638041
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 01:48:22 PM
A spokesman for Mr Corbyn said the leader was "categorically not" told to quit by Mr Watson.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36638041

We shall see on that.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 27, 2016, 02:14:34 PM
People like to suggest simple explanations to complex questions. In reality a complex question require complex answers;

Political scientists will argue over the significance of education status in the referendum. You don't need a degree, however, to see how Corby's recent history played its part in the result, too
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36624413
OK, have it your way.  There is no correlation whatsoever between class, age, education and wealth and how people voted on Friday.  Happy now?  That said, do you agree that a significant percentage of those who voted "leave" will be from the less well-off sector of society?  If so, can we get back to the original question I asked which you have twice avoided answering:

yes, and what are you going to tell those who voted for Brexit that the prices of food, clothes and electricals are going to become even less affordable than before, as you have suggested they would and should?!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 27, 2016, 02:19:53 PM
As I said, John, it is a constitutional mess.

The previous referendum in Scotland was very divisive and the effects of that are still being felt.

We have just had a demonstration in this referendum of the annulment of many of the arguments which carried the day for the BETTER TOGETHER campaign.  It was a close run thing. 

Whether or not the first minister is able to block Brexit ... it is worth bearing in mind that the majority of the contingent of elected representatives from Scotland in Westminster are Nats. 
To date their behaviour has been on the whole impeccable but it is a different ball game now.  I would warn ... "You ain't seen nothin' yet!"
Parliament could turn out to be a very interesting theatre for them to perform in (and for the rest of us to watch) when their leash is loosened.

I don't agree that many of the arguments put forward in support of #brexit are defunct, it is very much early days. 

Sturgeon is an upstart, an opportunist who does not speak for the majority of people in Scotland. The fact is that the SNP represent around a million voters out of an electorate of over four million, not exactly an overwhelming mandate to even consider independence, but then she knows that.  Sturgeon might be ambitious but she isn't stupid, she knows that like Salmond, a failed indy vote would mean the end of her career as Scots leader.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 02:23:23 PM
I don't agree that many of the arguments put forward in support of #brexit are defunct, it is very much early days. 

Sturgeon is an upstart, an opportunist who does not speak for the majority of people in Scotland. The fact is that the SNP represent around a million voters out of an electorate of over four million, not exactly an overwhelming mandate to ever consider independence, but then she knows that.  Sturgeon might be ambitious but she iisnt stupid, she knows that like Salmond, a failed Indy vote would mean the end of her career as Scots leader.

What about Johnson ?

An upstart and opportunist.

He used the referendum in an attempt to gain power, and if you think otherwise, you are mistaken.


Under 25% of the electorate voted for the Conservative government ? 8)--))
Title: Re: Re: EU membership, should we stay or leave?
Post by: John on June 27, 2016, 02:26:12 PM
Of course some think that because the Germans want to sell BMWs and Bosch whitegoods here and the French want to sell champagne here that gives us a lot of clout.
 8(0(*

It does put us in a great negotiating position.  The Germans in particular will be crapping themselves in case their car industry is damaged.  However, Britain's imminent exit is by no means the end of it, there are rumblings from other countries who now wish a referendum vote.  Marine Le Pen will not stop until President Hollande agrees to a referendum in France and hevknoiws what the outcome will be thus why he is refusing one.  Democracy at its best under the EU.

https://www.rt.com/news/348422-hollande-rejects-frexit-referendum/
Title: Re: Re: EU membership, should we stay or leave?
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 02:27:15 PM
It does put us in a great negotiating position.  The Germans in particular will be crapping themselves in case their car industry is damaged.  However, Britain's imminent exit is by no means the end of it, there are rumblings from other countries who now wish a referendum vote.

Great negotiating position.  @)(++(* @)(++(*

Don't think so.
Title: Re: Re: EU membership, should we stay or leave?
Post by: Angelo222 on June 27, 2016, 02:34:21 PM
It does put us in a great negotiating position.  The Germans in particular will be crapping themselves in case their car industry is damaged.  However, Britain's imminent exit is by no means the end of it, there are rumblings from other countries who now wish a referendum vote.  Marine Le Pen will not stop until President Hollande agrees to a referendum in France and hevknoiws what the outcome will be thus why he is refusing one.  Democracy at its best under the EU.

https://www.rt.com/news/348422-hollande-rejects-frexit-referendum/

The EU sells much more to us than we do to them so it is in their interest and the interest of their manufacturing industry to maintain the status quo.
Title: Re: Re: EU membership, should we stay or leave?
Post by: Alfie on June 27, 2016, 02:39:45 PM
The EU sells much more to us than we do to them so it is in their interest and the interest of their manufacturing industry to maintain the status quo.
This is becoming such a cliché.  Isn't it possible that preventing the EU's total collapse might just take precedence over continued trade on favourable terms with the UK?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 27, 2016, 02:40:30 PM
OK, have it your way.  There is no correlation whatsoever between class, age, education and wealth and how people voted on Friday.  Happy now?  That said, do you agree that a significant percentage of those who voted "leave" will be from the less well-off sector of society?  If so, can we get back to the original question I asked which you have twice avoided answering:

yes, and what are you going to tell those who voted for Brexit that the prices of food, clothes and electricals are going to become even less affordable than before, as you have suggested they would and should?!

There is a correlation, but a correlation is not the same as a cause. For all we know there's a correlation between baldness and voting leave. Does that mean people voted to leave because they were bald? That's the absurdity of correlations, they don't fulfill the requirements of cause and effect. You could just as easily say being inclined to vote 'leave' 'causes' that type of person to prefer not to enter higher education.

Almost the whole of the regions in England a Wales voted 'leave'. I have no idea which people actually voted which way within those regions. It would be easy to hang around outside a polling station and ask people. Whether they would a] tell you or b] tell the truth I couldn't say.

I would guess that those who live alongside poorer immigrants are likely to be lower class. elderly and/or poor themselves. Their experiences of immigration would differ from the higher and more affluent classes and may well have affected the way they voted.

I don't remember saying prices should or would rise? I remember saying UK manufacturers could make high quality made in Britain goods as an alternative to trying to compete with cheap goods from low wage economies.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 27, 2016, 02:41:40 PM
I don't agree that many of the arguments put forward in support of #brexit are defunct, it is very much early days. 

Sturgeon is an upstart, an opportunist who does not speak for the majority of people in Scotland. The fact is that the SNP represent around a million voters out of an electorate of over four million, not exactly an overwhelming mandate to even consider independence, but then she knows that.  Sturgeon might be ambitious but she isn't stupid, she knows that like Salmond, a failed indy vote would mean the end of her career as Scots leader.
anecdotally I know a number of Scottish people who did not vote for Scottish independence at the last referendum who are now keen to vote yes at the next one.
Title: Re: Re: EU membership, should we stay or leave?
Post by: John on June 27, 2016, 02:46:04 PM
The EU sells much more to us than we do to them so it is in their interest and the interest of their manufacturing industry to maintain the status quo.

The majority of the UK’s motor vehicle imports are from the EU, consistently accounting for over 85% of total motor vehicle imports each year since 1998. Imports from the EU have grown from £14.3 billion to £31.3 billion between 1998 and 2014, whereas imports from non-EU countries have grown from £2.2 billion to £4.0 billion over the same period.

In 1998, a broadly similar composition to imports existed for UK exports; exports of motors vehicles to the EU accounted for three quarters of total motor vehicle exports. This has changed noticeably, with exports to non-EU countries growing at a faster rate than exports to EU countries. Consequently, the share of total motor vehicle manufacturing exports to the EU has fallen to 40%. Exports to non-EU countries have grown from £2.9 billion to £17.9 billion from 1998 to 2014, whereas exports to EU countries have grown from £8.0 billion to £11.9 billion over the same period. The strong demand for exported UK cars is widely reported by car manufacturing trade body the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT).

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160105160709/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/abs/annual-business-survey/car-production/sty-car.html
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 27, 2016, 02:47:37 PM
anecdotally I know a number of Scottish people who did not vote for Scottish independence at the last referendum who are now keen to vote yes at the next one.

and?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 27, 2016, 02:49:13 PM
anecdotally I know a number of Scottish people who did not vote for Scottish independence at the last referendum who are now keen to vote yes at the next one.

Voting for indy and bankruptcy is akin to turkeys voting for Christmas.  Most Scots aren't that stupid.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 27, 2016, 03:05:22 PM
There is a correlation, but a correlation is not the same as a cause. For all we know there's a correlation between baldness and voting leave. Does that mean people voted to leave because they were bald? That's the absurdity of correlations, they don't fulfill the requirements of cause and effect. You could just as easily say being inclined to vote 'leave' 'causes' that type of person to prefer not to enter higher education.

Almost the whole of the regions in England a Wales voted 'leave'. I have no idea which people actually voted which way within those regions. It would be easy to hang around outside a polling station and ask people. Whether they would a] tell you or b] tell the truth I couldn't say.

I would guess that those who live alongside poorer immigrants are likely to be lower class. elderly and/or poor themselves. Their experiences of immigration would differ from the higher and more affluent classes and may well have affected the way they voted.

I don't remember saying prices should or would rise? I remember saying UK manufacturers could make high quality made in Britain goods as an alternative to trying to compete with cheap goods from low wage economies.
And do you think UK manufacturers can produce high quality goods at the same price as cheap goods from low wage economies?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 27, 2016, 03:11:28 PM
Voting for indy and bankruptcy is akin to turkeys voting for Christmas.  Most Scots aren't that stupid.
I didn't think more people would vote for financial chaos and instability for years either, but then what do I know!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 03:13:08 PM
Here's Boris on his mission to Mars.


(http://i.embed.ly/1/display/resize?key=1e6a1a1efdb011df84894040444cdc60&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitpic.com%2Fshow%2Flarge%2Fae9urf&width=810)
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 27, 2016, 03:18:00 PM
Jeremy Corbyn supporters to march on parliament to demand that Labour leader keeps job.

(http://www.independent.co.uk/s3/files/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/27/13/corbynpolice.jpg)

Thousands of people are to descend on parliament to demand Jeremy Corbyn keeps his job.

Amid mass resignations in the shadow cabinet, supporters of the Labour leader are being urged to march on Parliament Square to demand that Corbyn stays as Labour leader.

The event was posted onto Facebook by the Momentum campaign group, in the wake of the resignation of a large number of Corbyn’s shadow cabinet. In the hours after the event, thousands of people have said that they will be at the event, which begins at 6pm.


Shadow chancellor John McDonnell and Diane Abbott – both high-profile supporters of Corbyn’s leadership – are to speak at the event. Other high-profile Corbyn allies such as journalist Paul Mason and trade unionists will also speak at the event.

It is being supported by a hashtag campaign that urges people to tweet with #KeepCorbyn.

Those behind the event have said that it is a reaction to what they see as a right-wing takeover of the Labour party, against the wishes of its membership.

“The future is uncertain,” reads a message on the event’s page. “We face a Tory Brexit, Cameron has resigned and we are likely to have a general election in the coming months with the potential of Britain lurching yet further to the right.


“A small number of Labour MPs are using this as an opportunity to oust Jeremy, disrespect the Labour membership who elected him and disregard our movement for a new kind of politics.

“We cannot let this undemocratic behaviour succeed.”

The Facebook page is busy with messages of support for the protest, from people urging others to attend.

“Let's be clear this is not a small number of MPs this is the full scale right wing revolt,” writes one user. “The PLP is again treating Labour membership with complete contempt.”

But others have written on its wall to support those MPs who have been sacked or have resigned in protest at Mr Corbyn’s leadership. “No point in leading a government for the people if your peers do not support you,” writes one user.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-labour-leader-shadow-cabinet-latest-news-eu-referendum-a7105666.html
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 27, 2016, 03:29:29 PM
I didn't think more people would vote for financial chaos and instability for years either, but then what do I know!

Blame u-turn Cameron.  He changed the game after the result was known and now hasn't the bottle to see it through.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 27, 2016, 03:55:46 PM
Blame u-turn Cameron.  He changed the game after the result was known and now hasn't the bottle to see it through.
You think it's Cameron's fault the economy is in turmoil?  Behave!  Though granted, he is to blame for deciding to hold a referendum in the first place - bloody silly idea if you ask me.
Title: Re: Re: EU membership, should we stay or leave?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 27, 2016, 04:11:41 PM
It does put us in a great negotiating position.  The Germans in particular will be crapping themselves in case their car industry is damaged.  However, Britain's imminent exit is by no means the end of it, there are rumblings from other countries who now wish a referendum vote.  Marine Le Pen will not stop until President Hollande agrees to a referendum in France and hevknoiws what the outcome will be thus why he is refusing one.  Democracy at its best under the EU.

https://www.rt.com/news/348422-hollande-rejects-frexit-referendum/

How?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 27, 2016, 04:11:51 PM
You think it's Cameron's fault the economy is in turmoil?  Behave!  Though granted, he is to blame for deciding to hold a referendum in the first place - bloody silly idea if you ask me.

He is to blame for resigning so quickly leaving the financial markets to second guess what happens next.
Title: Re: Re: EU membership, should we stay or leave?
Post by: John on June 27, 2016, 04:13:14 PM
How?

For the millionth time, they sell us much more than we sell them.  Simple economics apply.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 27, 2016, 04:17:17 PM
He is to blame for resigning so quickly leaving the financial markets to second guess what happens next.
Rubbish.  You think everything would be hunky dory if he hadn't announced his resignation?  Puh-lease.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Brietta on June 27, 2016, 04:20:26 PM
I don't agree that many of the arguments put forward in support of #brexit are defunct, it is very much early days. 

Sturgeon is an upstart, an opportunist who does not speak for the majority of people in Scotland. The fact is that the SNP represent around a million voters out of an electorate of over four million, not exactly an overwhelming mandate to even consider independence, but then she knows that.  Sturgeon might be ambitious but she isn't stupid, she knows that like Salmond, a failed indy vote would mean the end of her career as Scots leader.

I think "stunned" is the word which best applies to post Brexit Scotland.

38% of the electorate in Scotland voted to leave Europe http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/what-brexit-vote-means-scotland-8277535 
So not by any manner of means a clear cut "Scotland voted to remain in Europe" ... a majority did, but Scotland is not a homogeneous mass.

44.7% of the electorate who voted in the Scottish Referendum for 'independence' were in favour of the YES vote to separate from Great Britain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_independence_referendum,_2014
"NO" had a majority which in my opinion was uncomfortably tight.  Politics did settle a little, but there remained a volatile undercurrent ... it remains to be seen who is going to pick up on that and be able to use it either for short term political advantage, or for the greater good.

I think you tend to underestimate the 'nippy sweetie' Sturgeon.
I have watched her career with interest and must disagree with your assessment of her.  As First Minister of Scotland, she does indeed represent the people of Scotland.  You and I may not like it, but that's democracy for you.

The trick for her now will be looking as if she is acting on behalf of those who did not vote for her while keeping her own support happy, which is not an easy balance to strike.

She trained under a very slippery politician indeed but is not prone to the gaffes he was frequently capable of making.

In my opinion she will take full advantage of the current situation and she will turn it to her advantage ... I think she has a fair chance of taking the people of Scotland with her.  As you know, it has long been a complaint that the people of Scotland seldom get the government they vote for. 
Never has it been made more apparent than in the Brexit result.  "Cometh the hour, cometh the woman." 

If the politician that Nicola Sturgeon has worked at becoming cannot and does not manipulate the present enormity to further the raison d'être of her whole political life, I will be astounded.

As a footnote ... I am seriously concerned about the peace process in Northern Ireland ... I don't think the people of these islands have been in such danger, possibly since the threat of invasion during the second world war, and this is just the beginning.   

Title: Re: Re: EU membership, should we stay or leave?
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 04:31:54 PM
For the millionth time, they sell us much more than we sell them.  Simple economics apply.

Well give us the figures, including the money we make from Financial services to Europe per year, for exports and imports to and from Europe, with a cite.

No percentages by the way.

Actual monetary sums only.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 27, 2016, 04:32:40 PM
I think "stunned" is the word which best applies to post Brexit Scotland.

38% of the electorate in Scotland voted to leave Europe http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/what-brexit-vote-means-scotland-8277535 
So not by any manner of means a clear cut "Scotland voted to remain in Europe" ... a majority did, but Scotland is not a homogeneous mass.

44.7% of the electorate who voted in the Scottish Referendum for 'independence' were in favour of the YES vote to separate from Great Britain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_independence_referendum,_2014
"NO" had a majority which in my opinion was uncomfortably tight.  Politics did settle a little, but there remained a volatile undercurrent ... it remains to be seen who is going to pick up on that and be able to use it either for short term political advantage, or for the greater good.

I think you tend to underestimate the 'nippy sweetie' Sturgeon.
I have watched her career with interest and must disagree with your assessment of her.  As First Minister of Scotland, she does indeed represent the people of Scotland.  You and I may not like it, but that's democracy for you.

The trick for her now will be looking as if she is acting on behalf of those who did not vote for her while keeping her own support happy, which is not an easy balance to strike.

She trained under a very slippery politician indeed but is not prone to the gaffes he was frequently capable of making.

In my opinion she will take full advantage of the current situation and she will turn it to her advantage ... I think she has a fair chance of taking the people of Scotland with her.  As you know, it has long been a complaint that the people of Scotland seldom get the government they vote for. 
Never has it been made more apparent than in the Brexit result.  "Cometh the hour, cometh the woman." 

If the politician that Nicola Sturgeon has worked at becoming cannot and does not manipulate the present enormity to further the raison d'être of her whole political life, I will be astounded.

As a footnote ... I am seriously concerned about the peace process in Northern Ireland ... I don't think the people of these islands have been in such danger, possibly since the threat of invasion during the second world war, and this is just the beginning.

Please expand?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 04:33:45 PM
I think "stunned" is the word which best applies to post Brexit Scotland.

38% of the electorate in Scotland voted to leave Europe http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/what-brexit-vote-means-scotland-8277535 
So not by any manner of means a clear cut "Scotland voted to remain in Europe" ... a majority did, but Scotland is not a homogeneous mass.

44.7% of the electorate who voted in the Scottish Referendum for 'independence' were in favour of the YES vote to separate from Great Britain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_independence_referendum,_2014
"NO" had a majority which in my opinion was uncomfortably tight.  Politics did settle a little, but there remained a volatile undercurrent ... it remains to be seen who is going to pick up on that and be able to use it either for short term political advantage, or for the greater good.

I think you tend to underestimate the 'nippy sweetie' Sturgeon.
I have watched her career with interest and must disagree with your assessment of her.  As First Minister of Scotland, she does indeed represent the people of Scotland.  You and I may not like it, but that's democracy for you.

The trick for her now will be looking as if she is acting on behalf of those who did not vote for her while keeping her own support happy, which is not an easy balance to strike.

She trained under a very slippery politician indeed but is not prone to the gaffes he was frequently capable of making.

In my opinion she will take full advantage of the current situation and she will turn it to her advantage ... I think she has a fair chance of taking the people of Scotland with her.  As you know, it has long been a complaint that the people of Scotland seldom get the government they vote for. 
Never has it been made more apparent than in the Brexit result.  "Cometh the hour, cometh the woman." 

If the politician that Nicola Sturgeon has worked at becoming cannot and does not manipulate the present enormity to further the raison d'être of her whole political life, I will be astounded.

As a footnote ... I am seriously concerned about the peace process in Northern Ireland ... I don't think the people of these islands have been in such danger, possibly since the threat of invasion during the second world war, and this is just the beginning.

For one of the few times, we agree Brietta.

If and we officially leave the EU, there will be a push in Northern Ireland for a referendum to unite the two parts of Ireland, and that could well have major consequences with sectarian warfare breaking out again, and since the Catholic population is now almost the same as the Protestants...............

https://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2012/12/12/what-happens-in-2016-when-northern-irelands-catholics-are-on-a-par-with-protestants/

John if you read this, do you want a United Ireland ???
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 27, 2016, 04:45:25 PM

The trick for her now will be looking as if she is acting on behalf of those who did not vote for her while keeping her own support happy, which is not an easy balance to strike.

She trained under a very slippery politician indeed but is not prone to the gaffes he was frequently capable of making.

In my opinion she will take full advantage of the current situation and she will turn it to her advantage ... I think she has a fair chance of taking the people of Scotland with her.  As you know, it has long been a complaint that the people of Scotland seldom get the government they vote for. 
Never has it been made more apparent than in the Brexit result.  "Cometh the hour, cometh the woman." 

If the politician that Nicola Sturgeon has worked at becoming cannot and does not manipulate the present enormity to further the raison d'être of her whole political life, I will be astounded.

As a footnote ... I am seriously concerned about the peace process in Northern Ireland ... I don't think the people of these islands have been in such danger, possibly since the threat of invasion during the second world war, and this is just the beginning.

She won't call a new vote on #indy because she will lose, its that simple.

There are no concerns in N Ireland.  There never was a customs hard border and there won't be one after #brexit.  The only people who are stirring up trouble are republicans who like the Scottish Nationalists have their own agenda.

As with Scotland and #indy, a vote for a united Ireland would fail.

Title: Re: Re: EU membership, should we stay or leave?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 27, 2016, 04:58:23 PM
For the millionth time, they sell us much more than we sell them.  Simple economics apply.

https://www.cer.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/attachments/pdf/2014/pb_britishtrade_16jan14-8285.pdf

"British eurosceptics claim that the case for British membership has been weakened by the fall in the proportion of the UK’s trade accounted for by the EU. They argue that, in the event of an exit, Britain would have little trouble negotiating a free trade agreement with the EU because the UK has a large trade deficit with the rest of the Union: if trade barriers between Britain and the remaining member-states were erected upon exit, the EU would lose more exports earnings from Britain than vice versa. At the same time, the UK would be freed from the burdens of EU regulation and hence able to boost trade with faster growing parts of the world, by eliminating tariffs and signing trade agreements without the constraints of EU membership. Underpinning this assertion is the belief that the UK is a big enough economy to be an effective trade negotiator in its own
right.

On the face of it, these arguments are persuasive.
But they are simplistic and misleading. "


"But the UK would be wrong to assume that it could dictate terms in any negotiation with the EU by virtue of the fact that it is running a trade deficit. first, the EU buys half of Britain’s exports whereas the UK accounts for little over 10 per cent of exports from the rest of the EU, so the UK would be in a weak position to negotiate access on its terms. Second, half of the EU’s trade surplus with the UK is accounted for by just two member-states:
Germany and the Netherlands. Most EU member-states do not run substantial trade surpluses with the UK, and some run deficits with it. Any agreement would require the assent of the remaining 27 members, some of whom buy more from Britain than they sell to it"
Title: Re: Re: EU membership, should we stay or leave?
Post by: rotti on June 27, 2016, 04:59:06 PM
Well give us the figures, including the money we make from Financial services to Europe per year, for exports and imports to and from Europe, with a cite.

No percentages by the way.

Actual monetary sums only.
next you'll be asking what the ins and outs of a ducks arse are @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Brietta on June 27, 2016, 05:28:05 PM
She won't call a new vote on #indy because she will lose, its that simple.

There are no concerns in N Ireland.  There never was a customs hard border and there won't be one after #brexit.  The only people who are stirring up trouble are republicans who like the Scottish Nationalists have their own agenda.

As with Scotland and #indy, a vote for a united Ireland would fail.

LOL John, as a child I was a 'mule' used to carry family and new jewellery from the South and through customs.  My husband recounts similar stories of train journeys from Dublin to Belfast.
I don't remember if there were customs checks both sides of the border, but I do remember on train checks.

On a sailing from Glasgow to Dublin as a teenager my friend ended up having her luggage upended and emptied out for searching on the customs table at the quay because she made a stupid quip to the officers.



I'm not as au fait with Irish politics as I am with the Scottish but I know enough to be worried about the situation in both countries.

Already there are calls for a referendum on Irish unification and a strain on relationships between the DUP and Sinn Fein.   http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683490/EU-referendum-Martin-McGuinness-calls-border-poll-unification-Brexit-vote

I comprehend the feeling of disenfranchisement felt by some in Scotland for the first time.  It used to be four years (now a fixed term of five) until you could have another bite at the cherry and perhaps change governments.
Brexit is final.

I will be amazed if the Scottish Nationalists are not putting the finishing touches to their take on this unimaginable opportunity which is win win for them.
They are consummate campaigners and they have left all other parties way behind when it comes to foot soldiers and polling the electorate.  They will move on independence only if they think can win ... but they will milk this for all it is worth anyway.

I am not sure they will fail this time round ... all they have to do is play the hand Brexit has given them and consummate politician that she is, if anyone can pull it off it is Sturgeon.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 27, 2016, 06:18:54 PM
Can't we all just stop this petty arguing now & just concentrate on being British.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 27, 2016, 08:16:48 PM
Can't we all just stop this petty arguing now & just concentrate on being British.
Being British..as long as anyone calling themselves British doesnt act like the nazis towards foreigners as some seem to think they have been given carte blanche to do so, the very people the British (and alot of Europeans of course) fought against so much in the last world war!

Seen some shocking stuff on the news tonight. Project Fear may have been a slogan but its now become reality for alot of people.


Such a shame all the right discussions by all the country and not just the political and media classes did not take place before the vote, then not so many would be now , where they are
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 27, 2016, 08:27:49 PM
I see forum fave Kelvin McKenzie is now regretting his vote for leave, as apparently are 1.1 million others.  Twats.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 27, 2016, 08:32:14 PM
I see forum fave Kelvin McKenzie is now regretting his vote for leave, as apparently are 1.1 million others.  Twats.

I have no objection to him moving to the continent & doing his remaining there.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 27, 2016, 08:33:10 PM
I see forum fave Kelvin McKenzie is now regretting his vote for leave, as apparently are 1.1 million others.  Twats.
'twats' now now alfie &%+((£
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 27, 2016, 09:21:21 PM
"I'm pretty cautious about some of the motives of those who are saying we should take our time. I'm nervous. I'm more nervous than I was on Friday morning. I'm beginning to hear noises, I'm beginning to detect there may be some backsliding and I don't find that acceptable." Nigel Farage, earlier today
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 27, 2016, 09:42:08 PM
One of my favourite journalists;

Millions of ordinary people refused to be bullied, intimidated and dismissed with open contempt by their presumed betters in the major parties, the leaders of the business and banking oligarchy and the media.
http://johnpilger.com/articles/why-the-british-said-no-to-europe
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 27, 2016, 09:51:28 PM
"I'm pretty cautious about some of the motives of those who are saying we should take our time. I'm nervous. I'm more nervous than I was on Friday morning. I'm beginning to hear noises, I'm beginning to detect there may be some backsliding and I don't find that acceptable." Nigel Farage, earlier today

So speaketh Farage, who has backtracked more times than an England team has being knocked out of a major tournament.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 27, 2016, 09:57:27 PM
I love the guy, even though he's only got one ball... like Hitler.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 27, 2016, 10:06:46 PM
I love the guy, even though he's only got one ball... like Hitler.


Thats all well and good if the argument stayed just about trade
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 27, 2016, 10:12:23 PM
Thats all well and good if the argument stayed just about trade

Absolute nonsense!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 27, 2016, 10:37:25 PM
Absolute nonsense!

Ok hold on i must admit i only watched about half or a bit more, where thats all was talked about, let me watch the rest
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 27, 2016, 10:56:12 PM
Ok hold on i must admit i only watched about half or a bit more, where thats all was talked about, let me watch the rest

Ok farage seems to be talking about now and foreward loose border controls vis a vis terorrists or illegal immigrants, cant fault that

He's not said all eu migrants here should be deported, so so far hes ok
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 28, 2016, 10:37:40 AM
Farage has just been speaking in the EU Parliament.

He insulted his fellow M.E.P.'s from Europe, then said he hoped the UK could seek cooperation with Europe.

What a childish attention seeker he is.

His good friend from the National Front in France, Marine le Pen is now speaking.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 28, 2016, 10:54:59 AM
M.E.P.'s from Scotland and Northern Ireland have spoken, the former receiving the standing ovation.

Farage just smirked as usual.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 28, 2016, 11:35:05 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/jun/28/brexit-3-trillion-stock-markets-sterling-ftse-business-live?page=with:block-57723af0e4b030d83eb4af9a#block-57723af0e4b030d83eb4af9a

Branson: Chinese investors pulling out of UK over Brexit vote

Rob Davies

 ‘Good Morning TV'

 Richard Branson ‘Good Morning Britain’ TV show, London, UK - 28 Jun 2016

Virgin tycoon Sir Richard Branson has warned that Chinese business partners are already pulling investment from the UK after the EU referendum.

Speaking to The Guardian, he warned that last week’s historic vote will cost “thousands of jobs”.

Branson told my colleague Rob Davies that:

“I met with a group of Chinese businessmen yesterday morning who have invested heavily in England and who are now going to stop investing and withdraw investments they’ve already made.”

“I’m afraid that based on misinformation, people voted for Brexit, which is basically voting for a way of shooting themselves in the foot. The last 2 days has been absolute pandemonium worldwide in the markets, the pound crashing, the stock markets crashing, and we are heading rapidly towards a recession again. It’s just too sad, so so sad.

Branson also laid into the Leave campaign for misleading voters during the referendum campaign, saying “thousands and thousands” of workers will pay the price.

“Businesspeople do not want politicians to completely and utterly wreck the hard work they’ve done for years and years and that is effectively what happened. Thousands and thousands of jobs will be lost as a result of this. Thousands of jobs that would have been created will be lost and the knock-on effect will be so dire.
“The sad thing is I really think Brexiters were misled and did not realise.

People said it was scaremongering. It wasn’t scaremongering and the last 48 hours have proved that.”

As mentioned at 8.50am, Branson is pushing for a second referendum vote.

Branson’s Virgin Money challenger bank has been badly hit by the referendum result, with shares tumbling by 40% since Friday morning.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 28, 2016, 11:49:07 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/jun/28/brexit-3-trillion-stock-markets-sterling-ftse-business-live?page=with:block-57723af0e4b030d83eb4af9a#block-57723af0e4b030d83eb4af9a

Branson: Chinese investors pulling out of UK over Brexit vote

Rob Davies

 ‘Good Morning TV'

 Richard Branson ‘Good Morning Britain’ TV show, London, UK - 28 Jun 2016

Virgin tycoon Sir Richard Branson has warned that Chinese business partners are already pulling investment from the UK after the EU referendum.

Speaking to The Guardian, he warned that last week’s historic vote will cost “thousands of jobs”.

Branson told my colleague Rob Davies that:

“I met with a group of Chinese businessmen yesterday morning who have invested heavily in England and who are now going to stop investing and withdraw investments they’ve already made.”

“I’m afraid that based on misinformation, people voted for Brexit, which is basically voting for a way of shooting themselves in the foot. The last 2 days has been absolute pandemonium worldwide in the markets, the pound crashing, the stock markets crashing, and we are heading rapidly towards a recession again. It’s just too sad, so so sad.

Branson also laid into the Leave campaign for misleading voters during the referendum campaign, saying “thousands and thousands” of workers will pay the price.

“Businesspeople do not want politicians to completely and utterly wreck the hard work they’ve done for years and years and that is effectively what happened. Thousands and thousands of jobs will be lost as a result of this. Thousands of jobs that would have been created will be lost and the knock-on effect will be so dire.
“The sad thing is I really think Brexiters were misled and did not realise.

People said it was scaremongering. It wasn’t scaremongering and the last 48 hours have proved that.”

As mentioned at 8.50am, Branson is pushing for a second referendum vote.

Branson’s Virgin Money challenger bank has been badly hit by the referendum result, with shares tumbling by 40% since Friday morning.

Branson and his  family are unnafected by by mass migration that has taken place...I think we need to see how this turns out...we cannot simply carry on allowing increasing uncontrolled migration affecting our public services
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 28, 2016, 12:03:01 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/jun/28/brexit-3-trillion-stock-markets-sterling-ftse-business-live?page=with:block-57723af0e4b030d83eb4af9a#block-57723af0e4b030d83eb4af9a

Branson: Chinese investors pulling out of UK over Brexit vote

Rob Davies

 ‘Good Morning TV'

 Richard Branson ‘Good Morning Britain’ TV show, London, UK - 28 Jun 2016

Virgin tycoon Sir Richard Branson has warned that Chinese business partners are already pulling investment from the UK after the EU referendum.

Speaking to The Guardian, he warned that last week’s historic vote will cost “thousands of jobs”.

Branson told my colleague Rob Davies that:

“I met with a group of Chinese businessmen yesterday morning who have invested heavily in England and who are now going to stop investing and withdraw investments they’ve already made.”

“I’m afraid that based on misinformation, people voted for Brexit, which is basically voting for a way of shooting themselves in the foot. The last 2 days has been absolute pandemonium worldwide in the markets, the pound crashing, the stock markets crashing, and we are heading rapidly towards a recession again. It’s just too sad, so so sad.

Branson also laid into the Leave campaign for misleading voters during the referendum campaign, saying “thousands and thousands” of workers will pay the price.

“Businesspeople do not want politicians to completely and utterly wreck the hard work they’ve done for years and years and that is effectively what happened. Thousands and thousands of jobs will be lost as a result of this. Thousands of jobs that would have been created will be lost and the knock-on effect will be so dire.
“The sad thing is I really think Brexiters were misled and did not realise.

People said it was scaremongering. It wasn’t scaremongering and the last 48 hours have proved that.”

As mentioned at 8.50am, Branson is pushing for a second referendum vote.

Branson’s Virgin Money challenger bank has been badly hit by the referendum result, with shares tumbling by 40% since Friday morning.

It was a long time coming but seeing all these tycoons squirming is so funny.  Branson is a tax exile with corporate control of his many businesses being held in tax havens.  Did he even have a vote?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 28, 2016, 12:14:56 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/jun/28/brexit-3-trillion-stock-markets-sterling-ftse-business-live?page=with:block-57723af0e4b030d83eb4af9a#block-57723af0e4b030d83eb4af9a

Branson: Chinese investors pulling out of UK over Brexit vote

Rob Davies

 ‘Good Morning TV'

 Richard Branson ‘Good Morning Britain’ TV show, London, UK - 28 Jun 2016

Virgin tycoon Sir Richard Branson has warned that Chinese business partners are already pulling investment from the UK after the EU referendum.

Speaking to The Guardian, he warned that last week’s historic vote will cost “thousands of jobs”.

Branson told my colleague Rob Davies that:

“I met with a group of Chinese businessmen yesterday morning who have invested heavily in England and who are now going to stop investing and withdraw investments they’ve already made.”

“I’m afraid that based on misinformation, people voted for Brexit, which is basically voting for a way of shooting themselves in the foot. The last 2 days has been absolute pandemonium worldwide in the markets, the pound crashing, the stock markets crashing, and we are heading rapidly towards a recession again. It’s just too sad, so so sad.

Branson also laid into the Leave campaign for misleading voters during the referendum campaign, saying “thousands and thousands” of workers will pay the price.

“Businesspeople do not want politicians to completely and utterly wreck the hard work they’ve done for years and years and that is effectively what happened. Thousands and thousands of jobs will be lost as a result of this. Thousands of jobs that would have been created will be lost and the knock-on effect will be so dire.
“The sad thing is I really think Brexiters were misled and did not realise.

People said it was scaremongering. It wasn’t scaremongering and the last 48 hours have proved that.”

As mentioned at 8.50am, Branson is pushing for a second referendum vote.

Branson’s Virgin Money challenger bank has been badly hit by the referendum result, with shares tumbling by 40% since Friday morning.
My ex-boss is quite right of course.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 28, 2016, 12:17:00 PM
My ex-boss is quite right of course.

He nailed it to the perch Alfie.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 28, 2016, 12:22:09 PM
He nailed it to the perch Alfie.
He needed to - this 'parrot' is now as dead as a dodo.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 28, 2016, 12:25:47 PM
He needed to - this 'parrot' is now as dead as a dodo.

No doubt about it.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 28, 2016, 12:27:53 PM
Branson and his  family are unnafected by by mass migration that has taken place...I think we need to see how this turns out...we cannot simply carry on allowing increasing uncontrolled migration affecting our public services

"Nevertheless, under the United Kingdom's immigration arrangements Commonwealth citizens enjoy certain advantages:

    Commonwealth citizens born before 1 January 1983 may by virtue of having a parent born in the United Kingdom and Islands have the right of abode therein – such persons are exempt from all immigration control.
    Commonwealth citizens with a grandparent born in the United Kingdom and Islands may be admitted for up to five years on this basis, and thereafter be granted indefinite leave to remain.
    Commonwealth citizens between the ages of 18 and 30 were eligible to be admitted for a "working holiday" for up to two years. This has since been replaced with the more restrictive Youth Mobility Scheme[4] (now open only to youth of Australia, Canada, Japan, New Zealand, and Monaco).
    Commonwealth citizens, unlike other non-European Economic Area nationals, may not be required to register with the police while living in the United Kingdom".
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Brietta on June 28, 2016, 12:30:16 PM
What immigration really means to Britain

(http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/27/17/nhs.jpg)

A picture of an NHS surgical team who come from around the European Union has been shared thousands of times online.

The photo, titled "We are Europe!", shows three scrub nurses from Spain, an Irish radiographer, a German consultant anaesthetist, a Greek urology specialist registrar and a British Pakistani consultant urologist.

Junaid Masood, who posted the picture while working at Homerton University Hospital in east London, said immigration is "the backbone" of the NHS.

The locum consultant urologist wrote: "Today we have been hard at work improving people's lives! This is what our friends from Europe do for the NHS."
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/what-immigration-really-means-to-britain-a7106166.html
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 28, 2016, 12:31:12 PM
It was a long time coming but seeing all these tycoons squirming is so funny.  Branson is a tax exile with corporate control of his many businesses being held in tax havens.  Did he even have a vote?

Well, as he is a businessman who employs tens of thousands of employees in the UK, he knows what he is talking about.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 28, 2016, 12:32:09 PM
What immigration really means to Britain

(http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/27/17/nhs.jpg)

A picture of an NHS surgical team who come from around the European Union has been shared thousands of times online.

The photo, titled "We are Europe!", shows three scrub nurses from Spain, an Irish radiographer, a German consultant anaesthetist, a Greek urology specialist registrar and a British Pakistani consultant urologist.

Junaid Masood, who posted the picture while working at Homerton University Hospital in east London, said immigration is "the backbone" of the NHS.

The locum consultant urologist wrote: "Today we have been hard at work improving people's lives! This is what our friends from Europe do for the NHS."
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/what-immigration-really-means-to-britain-a7106166.html


Thank you for that Brietta.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 28, 2016, 12:59:24 PM
Good job they're here, because they're needed to correct the work done by other European "professionals".  8((()*/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3341150/Shocking-image-released-horrific-injuries-suffered-lecturer-beaten-four-Polish-burglars-meets-one-attackers-FORGIVE-him.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3341150/Shocking-image-released-horrific-injuries-suffered-lecturer-beaten-four-Polish-burglars-meets-one-attackers-FORGIVE-him.html)
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 28, 2016, 01:04:13 PM
What immigration really means to Britain

(http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/27/17/nhs.jpg)

A picture of an NHS surgical team who come from around the European Union has been shared thousands of times online.

The photo, titled "We are Europe!", shows three scrub nurses from Spain, an Irish radiographer, a German consultant anaesthetist, a Greek urology specialist registrar and a British Pakistani consultant urologist.

Junaid Masood, who posted the picture while working at Homerton University Hospital in east London, said immigration is "the backbone" of the NHS.

The locum consultant urologist wrote: "Today we have been hard at work improving people's lives! This is what our friends from Europe do for the NHS."
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/what-immigration-really-means-to-britain-a7106166.html

Shows what's wrong with the U.K.
I hope they have checked the consultants qualifications
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 28, 2016, 01:04:26 PM
Branson and his  family are unnafected by by mass migration that has taken place...I think we need to see how this turns out...we cannot simply carry on allowing increasing uncontrolled migration affecting our public services

Totally spot on davel.  I think the message has been sent out loud and clear...   WE'RE FULL UP
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 28, 2016, 01:08:59 PM
Good job they're here, because they're needed to correct the work done by other European "professionals".  8((()*/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3341150/Shocking-image-released-horrific-injuries-suffered-lecturer-beaten-four-Polish-burglars-meets-one-attackers-FORGIVE-him.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3341150/Shocking-image-released-horrific-injuries-suffered-lecturer-beaten-four-Polish-burglars-meets-one-attackers-FORGIVE-him.html)

So how many burglars are of UK origin then Myster ?

How many UK burglars attack their victims ?

Would you object to being treated by non-EU Medical staff ?

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 28, 2016, 01:10:54 PM
Totally spot on davel.  I think the message has been sent out loud and clear...   WE'RE FULL UP
Anyone who thinks this referendum is going to stop more migrants coming in is living in Cloud Cuckooland.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 28, 2016, 01:13:39 PM
Anyone who thinks this referendum is going to stop more migrants coming in is living in Cloud Cuckooland.

And if Europe wants to fuel the far right, open borders is the right way to go about it.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 28, 2016, 01:25:26 PM
So how many burglars are of UK origin then Myster ?

How many UK burglars attack their victims ?

Would you object to being treated by non-EU Medical staff ?


I find this pandering to xenophobia........................... disgusting.

One British victim of any East European criminal is one too many for my liking. I know what it's like to spend the early hours in A&E waiting to be treated for a head wound caused by intruders. Admittedly they were never caught and were probably British, but that made me extremely angry. I would have been even angrier if I'd learned they came illegally from crime-ridden areas of Europe.

And don't you dare accuse me of xenophobia! In my university days I had several personal friends from Europe and Hong Kong.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 28, 2016, 01:32:14 PM
One British victim of any East European criminal is one too many for my liking. I know what it's like to spend the early hours in A&E waiting to be treated for a head wound caused by intruders. Admittedly they were never caught and were probably British, but that made me extremely angry. I would have been even angrier if I'd learned they came illegally from crime-ridden areas of Europe.

And don't you dare accuse me of xenophobia! In my university days I had several personal friends from Europe and Hong Kong.

Any victim of burglary is to be sympathized with.

You deliberately referred to Polish burglars.

You chose to refer to them for blatantly obvious reasons.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 28, 2016, 01:35:13 PM
Branson and his  family are unnafected by by mass migration that has taken place...I think we need to see how this turns out...we cannot simply carry on allowing increasing uncontrolled migration affecting our public services

At present net migration is 350,000. Population 65,000,000.
So the suggestion is that Great British public services are so crap they cannot take up 0.5% slack ?

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 28, 2016, 01:37:19 PM
Now we have voted for independence Farage and his party are redundant.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 28, 2016, 01:40:35 PM
Rumour has it Jean-Claude Juncker is rewriting the lyrics to a Muddy Waters song:


"You got your Bojo working, but it just won't work on us".
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 28, 2016, 01:44:49 PM
Anyone who thinks this referendum is going to stop more migrants coming in is living in Cloud Cuckooland.

It will and from now on we can send them back.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 28, 2016, 01:45:38 PM
Now we have voted for independence Farage and his party are redundant.

Nige want to dismantle the EU now.    8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 28, 2016, 01:46:33 PM
Any victim of burglary is to be sympathized with.

You deliberately referred to Polish burglars.

You chose to refer to them for blatantly obvious reasons.

I did not refer to Polish burglars, but merely linked to a particular case involving them. I mentioned East Europeans, but Poles do make up the largest contingent in British jails.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2538897/We-spend-35million-year-lock-Polish-criminals-jails-900-criminals-held-packed-prisons.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2538897/We-spend-35million-year-lock-Polish-criminals-jails-900-criminals-held-packed-prisons.html)

Romanian gangs have found rich pickings in Scotland too... https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/highlands/734946/upsurge-in-break-ins-across-north/ (https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/highlands/734946/upsurge-in-break-ins-across-north/)

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 28, 2016, 01:48:09 PM
It will and from now on we can send them back.
You've just proved you are living in Cloud Cuckooland with that idiotic remark.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 28, 2016, 01:48:41 PM
I did not refer to Polish burglars, but merely linked to a particular case involving them. I mentioned East Europeans, but Poles do make up the largest contingent in British jails.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2538897/We-spend-35million-year-lock-Polish-criminals-jails-900-criminals-held-packed-prisons.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2538897/We-spend-35million-year-lock-Polish-criminals-jails-900-criminals-held-packed-prisons.html)

Romanian gangs have found rich pickings in Scotland too... https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/highlands/734946/upsurge-in-break-ins-across-north/ (https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/highlands/734946/upsurge-in-break-ins-across-north/)

Stephen supports everything EU but hasn't been able to explain why. 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 28, 2016, 01:49:23 PM
What immigration really means to Britain

(http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/27/17/nhs.jpg)

A picture of an NHS surgical team who come from around the European Union has been shared thousands of times online.

The photo, titled "We are Europe!", shows three scrub nurses from Spain, an Irish radiographer, a German consultant anaesthetist, a Greek urology specialist registrar and a British Pakistani consultant urologist.

Junaid Masood, who posted the picture while working at Homerton University Hospital in east London, said immigration is "the backbone" of the NHS.

The locum consultant urologist wrote: "Today we have been hard at work improving people's lives! This is what our friends from Europe do for the NHS."
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/what-immigration-really-means-to-britain-a7106166.html

And in the day, British Rail and London Transport.
It is appalling people don't know the social history of their own country.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 28, 2016, 01:51:14 PM
Nige want to dismantle the EU now.    8((()*/

He has shot his bolt on that one unless he can do it in two years..... @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 28, 2016, 01:51:30 PM
You've just proved you are living in Cloud Cuckooland with that idiotic remark.

We shall see.  The next UK gov will have to put into effect an immigration policy which will control undesirables entering our country.  Obviously you couldn't care less who comes here...

Sour grapes is so undignified!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 28, 2016, 01:53:36 PM
What immigration really means to Britain

(http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/27/17/nhs.jpg)

A picture of an NHS surgical team who come from around the European Union has been shared thousands of times online.

The photo, titled "We are Europe!", shows three scrub nurses from Spain, an Irish radiographer, a German consultant anaesthetist, a Greek urology specialist registrar and a British Pakistani consultant urologist.

Junaid Masood, who posted the picture while working at Homerton University Hospital in east London, said immigration is "the backbone" of the NHS.

The locum consultant urologist wrote: "Today we have been hard at work improving people's lives! This is what our friends from Europe do for the NHS."
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/what-immigration-really-means-to-britain-a7106166.html

Why was I not surprised it was in East London or surprised that these foreigners all voted remain.  A failed EU means that these people cannot work in their own homeland.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 28, 2016, 01:56:21 PM
We shall see.  The next UK gov will have to put into effect an immigration policy which will control undesirables entering our country.  Obviously you couldn't care less who comes here...

Sour grapes is so undignified!
The UK already had the power to control 'undesirables' entering our country.  The fact that we may not have been very good at it is hardly the fault of the EU. But you're not just talking about 'undesirables' are you? 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 28, 2016, 01:56:41 PM
Stephen supports everything EU but hasn't been able to explain why.

Stephen and others have explained, but some are too blind to see, metaphorically or otherwise.

Likewise, I won't be swayed by redundant cliches.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 28, 2016, 02:19:29 PM
What immigration really means to Britain

(http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/27/17/nhs.jpg)

A picture of an NHS surgical team who come from around the European Union has been shared thousands of times online.

The photo, titled "We are Europe!", shows three scrub nurses from Spain, an Irish radiographer, a German consultant anaesthetist, a Greek urology specialist registrar and a British Pakistani consultant urologist.

Junaid Masood, who posted the picture while working at Homerton University Hospital in east London, said immigration is "the backbone" of the NHS.

The locum consultant urologist wrote: "Today we have been hard at work improving people's lives! This is what our friends from Europe do for the NHS."
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/what-immigration-really-means-to-britain-a7106166.html

Nice picture, but a bit simplistic to say that this is 'What immigration really means to Britain' surely?

Not all immigrants fill worthwhile jobs. Not all immigrants have jobs. Some are in our prisons. Immigrants, like everyone else, come in all shapes, sizes and types.

In respect of the NHS several questions arise;
 
Why are we short of doctors and nurses?

Answer; because the UK has been cutting training places so our own people can't get into the jobs; The Royal College of Nursing said;

there are 54,000 homegrown applicants a year seeking training places. However, in 2010-2011 there were only 20,092 nurse training commissions in the UK. In each of the next four years under the coalition there were fewer places, a reduction of 8,000 British nurses coming into the system.

Andy Burnham, the shadow health secretary, said: “Because there are not enough nurses coming out of training, hospitals are having to tour Europe looking for recruits.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/04/nhs-recruits-one-in-four-nurses-from-abroad

I think the same is true for doctors. Instead of investing in training we are just recruiting overseas.

Guardian investigation finds that aggressive recruitment sees doctors from at least 27 countries hired in 32 of the 160 hospital trusts in England......Dr David Rosser, medical director of University hospitals Birmingham, one of England’s biggest trusts, said: “The NHS doesn’t have the number of doctors it needs. The shortage is real. We aren’t training enough doctors in this country, and so we are dependent on foreign-trained doctors. Doctors in more and more branches of medicine report shortages, especially in specialities such as A&E, where it’s tough work.”
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/-sp-nhs-hires-3000-foreign-doctors-staff-shortage

So needing immigrants to work in the NHS is due to lack of investment in training our own doctors and nurses. Are these doctors as well trained as our home trained ones? Possibly not;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/10772690/The-NHS-must-raise-the-bar-for-foreign-doctors.html

A pretty picture, as I said, but the underlying reasons for our international NHS staff should also be communicated and considered. Haven't we had enough propoganda?


Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 28, 2016, 02:24:19 PM
 

So why aren'the you referring in your comments to burglars from the UK  ?

It's obvious, stephen, that criminals from any part of the European mainland are an additional burden this country doesn't need and is better off without.

Have to go now, need to get some work done.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 28, 2016, 02:35:02 PM
Stephen and others have explained, but some are too blind to see, metaphorically or otherwise.

Likewise, I won't be swayed by redundant cliches.

I haven't seen any points from you in favour of remaining within the EU.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 28, 2016, 02:43:34 PM
I haven't seen any points from you in favour of remaining within the EU.
yes i agree 8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 28, 2016, 03:22:08 PM
Nice picture, but a bit simplistic to say that this is 'What immigration really means to Britain' surely?

Not all immigrants fill worthwhile jobs. Not all immigrants have jobs. Some are in our prisons. Immigrants, like everyone else, come in all shapes, sizes and types.

In respect of the NHS several questions arise;
 
Why are we short of doctors and nurses?

Answer; because the UK has been cutting training places so our own people can't get into the jobs; The Royal College of Nursing said;

there are 54,000 homegrown applicants a year seeking training places. However, in 2010-2011 there were only 20,092 nurse training commissions in the UK. In each of the next four years under the coalition there were fewer places, a reduction of 8,000 British nurses coming into the system.

Andy Burnham, the shadow health secretary, said: “Because there are not enough nurses coming out of training, hospitals are having to tour Europe looking for recruits.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/04/nhs-recruits-one-in-four-nurses-from-abroad

I think the same is true for doctors. Instead of investing in training we are just recruiting overseas.

Guardian investigation finds that aggressive recruitment sees doctors from at least 27 countries hired in 32 of the 160 hospital trusts in England......Dr David Rosser, medical director of University hospitals Birmingham, one of England’s biggest trusts, said: “The NHS doesn’t have the number of doctors it needs. The shortage is real. We aren’t training enough doctors in this country, and so we are dependent on foreign-trained doctors. Doctors in more and more branches of medicine report shortages, especially in specialities such as A&E, where it’s tough work.”
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/-sp-nhs-hires-3000-foreign-doctors-staff-shortage

So needing immigrants to work in the NHS is due to lack of investment in training our own doctors and nurses. Are these doctors as well trained as our home trained ones? Possibly not;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/10772690/The-NHS-must-raise-the-bar-for-foreign-doctors.html

A pretty picture, as I said, but the underlying reasons for our international NHS staff should also be communicated and considered. Haven't we had enough propoganda?

Or consider the basic problem, "sides" excluded the problem is:
A single state owned organisation which is the fifth largest employer in the world needing 650,000 clinically qualified staff providing health care for a population of 67 million.
Two questions arising:
Q1 can they be sourced in UK as a "raw material"?
Q2 does UK have the facilities to "process" the "raw material"?

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 28, 2016, 03:25:04 PM
It's obvious, stephen, that criminals from any part of the European mainland are an additional burden this country doesn't need and is better off without.

Have to go now, need to get some work done.

We can't have all these Johnny Foreigner Burgulah types putting the English Burgulahs out of work by fencing the swag at cut rates can we... @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 28, 2016, 03:29:52 PM
I haven't seen any points from you in favour of remaining within the EU.

Try reading.

Now if it helps, even though you will have been told this or already know it.

We have benefitted from foreign investors/companies coming to the UK, because of our access to the single market and with beneficial tax arrangements and grants for doing so.

Why jeopardise that.

Note Branson's comments earlier.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 28, 2016, 03:31:43 PM
It's obvious, stephen, that criminals from any part of the European mainland are an additional burden this country doesn't need and is better off without.

Have to go now, need to get some work done.

Am I disagreeing with you as regards criminals ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 28, 2016, 04:46:51 PM
Quote
A picture of an NHS surgical team who come from around the European Union has been shared thousands of times online.

The photo, titled "We are Europe!", shows three scrub nurses from Spain, an Irish radiographer, a German consultant anaesthetist, a Greek urology specialist registrar and a British Pakistani consultant urologist.

Junaid Masood, who posted the picture while working at Homerton University Hospital in east London, said immigration is "the backbone" of the NHS.

The locum consultant urologist wrote: "Today we have been hard at work improving people's lives! This is what our friends from Europe do for the NHS."

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/what-immigration-really-means-to-britain-a7106166.html

Why is immigration the backbone of the NHS?     Why are hospitals in other regions of the UK not filled with foreigners?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 28, 2016, 05:26:27 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/what-immigration-really-means-to-britain-a7106166.html

Why is immigration the backbone of the NHS?     Why are hospitals in other regions of the UK not filled with foreigners?

Cite.

How many foreign nationals work in the N.H.S. ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 28, 2016, 05:55:45 PM
http://www.exodus2013.co.uk/on-the-buses-west-indian-migration-after-wwii/

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/united-kingdom-reluctant-country-immigration

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/uk/2002/race/short_history_of_immigration.stm

"The booming UK economy proved an attractive destination for many A8 citizens. Together with restrictions elsewhere in Europe, high unemployment at home, favorable exchange rates, and pent-up demand, a wave of immigration was unleashed".

"The report estimated the size of the illegally resident population at 430,000, based on census data from 2001. That number is about 9 percent of the 4.9 million foreign born in 2001 and less than 1 percent of the total UK population".
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 28, 2016, 06:08:31 PM
We have Brexit ?

Nothing has been agreed yet and until it is assumptions of control of immigration will continue to be hyperbole.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 28, 2016, 06:09:20 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/what-immigration-really-means-to-britain-a7106166.html

Why is immigration the backbone of the NHS?     Why are hospitals in other regions of the UK not filled with foreigners?

Because our doctors and nurses are all pissing off to Canada, New Zealand and Australia leaving their tuition debts behind them.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 28, 2016, 06:10:40 PM
Because our doctors and nurses are all pissing off to Canada, New Zealand and Australia leaving their tuition debts behind them.

You can cite the numbers pissing off ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 28, 2016, 06:11:13 PM
We have Brexit ?

Nothing has been agreed yet and until it is assumptions of control of immigration will continue to be hyperbole.

Dream on Stephen.  We are leaving the EU or should I say the EU is leaving us now.  The vote is final old son.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 28, 2016, 06:14:36 PM
You can cite the numbers pissing off ?

I do but look it up for yourself. 

You still haven't said what glorious benefit you believe to being a member of the EU?  Are you another proponent of unfettered migration?  What about the £160 million we literally give away every week and get nought back, are you in favour of this too?

And talking about the NHS, if we didn't have so many migrants in London in the first place there would be few waiting lists for hospital places and an appointment with a GP might take a day instead of four or five.

It is the number of migrants in London which has caused the problem, throwing more migrants at it won't make it better.

Sadiq Khan revealed a few years back that there were some 300,000 illegals living and working in London. I think its double that figure but never mind. The first thing we should do is round up these illegals and ship them out.  Many are criminals, most have been refused entry, these are the sort of undesirables our country can well do without.  Hopefully a new pro #Brexit Tory government will get to grip with this problem sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 28, 2016, 06:25:39 PM
Dream on Stephen.  We are leaving the EU or should I say the EU is leaving us now.  The vote is final old son.

I don't need to dream on.

We will see what happens.

Likewise, I take the opinion of Ŕichard Branson of far more importance than you Angelo.

There is no way Johnson or whoever is elected can afford, pun intended, to lose foreign investment in the UK if we remain outside the European market.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 28, 2016, 06:27:06 PM
I don't need to dream on.
 
We will see what happens.

Likewise, I take the opinion of Ŕichard Branson of far more importance than you Angelo.

There is no way Johnson or whoever is elected can afford, pun intended, to lose foreign investment in the UK if we remain outside the European market.

I've noticed recently that you like everyone else to give an opinion so you can criticise it.  Again, my question is, why are you so pro EU?

I will predict now that Boris will be the next PM   8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 28, 2016, 07:00:26 PM
We have seen what buffoons our own politicians are
Does anyone think those running the EU are in any way superior
Those we are committing the future of our country to if we stay
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 28, 2016, 07:06:32 PM
Corbyn is a fool and is begging to appear so in front of the worlds media. His position is untenable so clinging on will only damage both him and the Labour Party.

As for the Tories, Cameron is merely damaging the UK by  hanging on until October.  He should go now and hand over to someone who cares.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 28, 2016, 07:07:01 PM
We have seen what buffoons our own politicians are
Does anyone think those running the EU are in any way superior
Those we are committing the future of our country to if we stay

Whatever politicians may think they are by way of being in control for the most part all they do is present the inevitable in the best way to suit their politics.
Listen to the first thing all of them say when something goes t**s up.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 28, 2016, 07:27:28 PM
We have seen what buffoons our own politicians are
Does anyone think those running the EU are in any way superior
Those we are committing the future of our country to if we stay
Why not?  Their football players are better than ours, why not their MPs?  @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 28, 2016, 07:32:03 PM
I didn't vote leave, but I am defending the result because voters voted and decided. That's democracy, which we are all supposed to believe in.

Our politicians are elected and paid to make the result work and they need to get on and do their jobs. Both sides should accept the result and concentrate on making the future as good as it can be for the voters.
Can I ask why you didn't vote leave? 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 28, 2016, 08:42:59 PM
Brexit is not legally binding, and any politician worth their salt as a politician and a human being, will ignore it if it becomes clear that the damage caused by a brexit (on quite a few levels) is not really worth it in the end, egg on face or not. The rest of the EU seem to be happy to give grace time for rethinks.



Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 28, 2016, 09:07:31 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/28/racism-neo-nazis-britain
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 28, 2016, 09:28:46 PM
Brexit is not legally binding, and any politician worth their salt as a politician and a human being, will ignore it if it becomes clear that the damage caused by a brexit (on quite a few levels) is not really worth it in the end, egg on face or not. The rest of the EU seem to be happy to give grace time for rethinks.

Good points.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 28, 2016, 09:29:40 PM
We may be better off financially on the EU but are the social problems it brings worth it
That is the question
Free movement of labour is one thing but free movement of those who have little intention of working and who are a burden on our health and social services is another
Let's  train our own doctors and nurses rather than importing some who are poorly trained and whose English is poor
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 28, 2016, 09:31:01 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/what-immigration-really-means-to-britain-a7106166.html

Why is immigration the backbone of the NHS?     Why are hospitals in other regions of the UK not filled with foreigners?

If they speak good English whats the problem?
In 2014 26% of doctors were not British (thats not including GPs)
Just think of all that money the UK saved trainng its own
Just pilfer them for nothing, easier

As for immgrants being the backbone, the numbers vary throughout the country but in London certainly if you deported them all the NHS would be a wandering ghosts paradise

Its never going to happen.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 28, 2016, 11:17:34 PM
It should be sent to a referendum now whether the uk has a right to sell pizzas, olive oil, chcken pakoras, fajitas etc

The arguments about illegal immigrants and criminals and refugees are cowered by racism unleashed

I understand some of the gripes in various cities, alot of them are very valid, but a full scale attack on foreigners is low and defunct at inceptioni

BREXIT is a BIG mistake
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 28, 2016, 11:30:35 PM
I think the debate isn't addressing the real issues; sovereignty and democracy. We can vote in new governments during general elections but will they then run the country? Between 50% and 80% of our laws come from the EU, our Parliament just rubber-stamps them basically.

Whether you think we benefit from EU membership or not the price is handing over control to institutions we don't vote in and can't vote out.

It seems there is a very real desire in certain quarters for a United States of Europe, which would eventually reduce member nations to states.

We may have been 'built on immigration' but we nave always maintained our sovereignty and although our democracy isn't perfect we have chosen our parliamentary representatives ourselves using a widening voter base.

Have we been travelling along a route where a European Dictatorship was going to be in charge eventually? 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 28, 2016, 11:36:16 PM
Gu

50-80 per cent of our laws??
What if theyre all good laws that the uk independently might have brought in

Which ones are the bug bears we cant NOT fight against?

Were any of these laws ones the ukk govt were lapse in the first place not bringing in?



Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 28, 2016, 11:50:52 PM
I've noticed recently that you like everyone else to give an opinion so you can criticise it.  Again, my question is, why are you so pro EU?

I will predict now that Boris will be the next PM   8((()*/

I predict that some news will be coming out about Boris.

An old friend in London who is involved in politics has told me ... but we shall see
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 28, 2016, 11:56:30 PM
Gu

50-80 per cent of our laws??
What if theyre all good laws that the uk independently might have brought in

Which ones are the bug bears we cant NOT fight against?

Were any of these laws ones the ukk govt were lapse in the first place not bringing in?

You're still missing the point. It's not whether the laws are good, bad or indifferent, it's about who should make British laws. If our Parliament creates a bad law, like the Poll Tax, people can campaign and change it.

If a similar unworkable law was imposed by the EU in the future it would need more than UK people campaigning to change it.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 28, 2016, 11:56:52 PM
Unless the city population stats are wrong, I make it one new city each and every year, where that city is about the same size as Belfast, Newcastle or Sunderland.

That is not what is required for population growth.  It is what is needed purely for net immigration.

Services have to be designed for the fixed population and some transients. That is the base.
Above that base is the 330,000 net migration which is a 0.5% increase on the base. If a 0.5% increase cannot be accommodated then there is a problem with the defined base. It isn't really that difficult to understand.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 29, 2016, 12:03:32 AM
You're still missing the point. It's not whether the laws are good, bad or indifferent, it's about who should make British laws. If our Parliament creates a bad law, like the Poll Tax, people can campaign and change it.

If a similar unworkable law was imposed by the EU in the future it would need more than UK people campaigning to change it.

The EU issue directives they do make laws. Member states all draft their own laws to embody the principle of the directive.
It is amazing the difference in those laws. We always go for "polished naval brass and mahogany" when "plastic and chrome plate" are adequate. Then we blame it on the EU.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 12:06:17 AM
I think the debate isn't addressing the real issues; sovereignty and democracy. We can vote in new governments during general elections but will they then run the country? Between 50% and 80% of our laws come from the EU, our Parliament just rubber-stamps them basically.

Whether you think we benefit from EU membership or not the price is handing over control to institutions we don't vote in and can't vote out.

It seems there is a very real desire in certain quarters for a United States of Europe, which would eventually reduce member nations to states.

We may have been 'built on immigration' but we nave always maintained our sovereignty and although our democracy isn't perfect we have chosen our parliamentary representatives ourselves using a widening voter base.

Have we been travelling along a route where a European Dictatorship was going to be in charge eventually?
So why did you not vote to leave?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 29, 2016, 12:09:47 AM
I remember some years ago meeting a man who had arrived in the Uk about 2 years previously
Both his daughters had passed the 11 plus and won places at a very good grammar school
Wonderful
Was that fair to the girls whose parents had lived in the Uk for years whose places they took
Yes, totally, so long as they got there thru their own intellect without any pushing or other means.

Grammar schools are intended for the most intelligent children.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 29, 2016, 12:10:52 AM
You're still missing the point. It's not whether the laws are good, bad or indifferent, it's about who should make British laws. If our Parliament creates a bad law, like the Poll Tax, people can campaign and change it.

If a similar unworkable law was imposed by the EU in the future it would need more than UK people campaigning to change it.

Ah ok I see your point
But is a potential catastrophe worth it? Rather than other means of this pathetic govt usng to change thngs

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on June 29, 2016, 12:35:14 AM
Services have to be designed for the fixed population and some transients. That is the base.
Above that base is the 330,000 net migration which is a 0.5% increase on the base. If a 0.5% increase cannot be accommodated then there is a problem with the defined base. It isn't really that difficult to understand.
They are not transients.  If they were all transient, the net immigration would be zero.

These are people who need houses, jobs, schools, medical facilities, waste disposal, space on the roads, ad infinitum.

All the UK needs for the net immigration flow is one major city each and every year.  Even if that city can be built every year, where does the land come from?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 29, 2016, 12:38:11 AM
The EU issue directives they do make laws. Member states all draft their own laws to embody the principle of the directive.
It is amazing the difference in those laws. We always go for "polished naval brass and mahogany" when "plastic and chrome plate" are adequate. Then we blame it on the EU.

There are different things which come from the EU which affect us. Directives are one;

Article 288
To exercise the Union's competences, the institutions shall adopt regulations, directives, decisions, recommendations and opinions.
A regulation shall have general application. It shall be binding in its entirety and directly applicable in all Member States.
A directive shall be binding, as to the result to be achieved, upon each Member State to which it is addressed, but shall leave to the national authorities the choice of form and methods.
A decision shall be binding in its entirety upon those to whom it is addressed.
Recommendations and opinions shall have no binding force.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_(European_Union)
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 29, 2016, 01:14:00 AM
Well goodnight fellow psters
Camerons absolved hmself of responsiblity and run away and chucked it on the new PM

chicken coward Cameron

Shame on him forever more for unleashing a shitstorm
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 29, 2016, 02:45:06 AM
Well goodnight fellow psters
Camerons absolved hmself of responsiblity and run away and chucked it on the new PM

chicken coward Cameron

Shame on him forever more for unleashing a shitstorm

Just what I have been saying all along mercury.   Cameron said he would see it through regardless of the outcome and it was on that basis that many of us voted to leave the EU.  What happens?  The minute he realises the majority of the voting British public have voted to leave the EU he chucks the dummy out of the pram and won't play any more.   Jesus Christ did I badly underestimate the man.

Cameron should go now and let someone with political skill take over temporarily until a new leader can be installed.  As it stands, Cameron is weak, he looks weak and that is not good for any negotiations on exit. Its a bit like asking the turkeys to negotiate with the butcher. 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Myster on June 29, 2016, 07:09:10 AM
So disappointed we won't get to sing the EU anthem any more  8(8-)) ...

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 29, 2016, 07:18:31 AM
It seems the Superstate idea is still around. Is that really what the remain voters want?

EUROPEAN political chiefs are to take advantage of Brexit by unveiling their long-held plan to morph the continent’s countries into one GIANT SUPERSTATE, it has emerged yesterday.

The foreign ministers of France and Germany are due to reveal a blueprint to effectively do away with individual member states in what is being described as an “ultimatum”.

Under the radical proposals EU countries will lose the right to have their own army, criminal law, taxation system or central bank, with all those powers being transferred to Brussels.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 29, 2016, 07:56:35 AM
expecting doctors to speak english is not racist...it is a safety issue
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 29, 2016, 09:02:40 AM
Davel wrote:  "expecting doctors to speak english is not racist...it is a safety issue"

________

Reply:
Are you suggesting its a free for all?  That anyone can practice medicine in the UK irrespective of whether they speak sufficient English.

No doctor can practice in the UK with a licence and registration. 

http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/registration_applications/24985.asp

You do seem to have a bee in your bonnet about "furriners". 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 29, 2016, 09:19:22 AM
Davel wrote:  "expecting doctors to speak english is not racist...it is a safety issue"

________

Reply:
Are you suggesting its a free for all?  That anyone can practice medicine in the UK irrespective of whether they speak sufficient English.

No doctor can practice in the UK with a licence and registration. 

http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/registration_applications/24985.asp

You do seem to have a bee in your bonnet about "furriners".

During diagnosis doctors use a range of methods, including asking the patient questions. Ten days ago I accompanied my husband to A & E. We saw two doctors, one with excellent English and the other, senior doctor with less good English. Neither of us could understand the questions she was asking us. Whether she understood our answers I don't know. The diagnosis and treatment were first class (he has heart failure, so quite serious) but it does add to patient and relative stress levels if communication is difficult.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 29, 2016, 09:34:42 AM
Davel wrote:  "expecting doctors to speak english is not racist...it is a safety issue"

________

Reply:
Are you suggesting its a free for all?  That anyone can practice medicine in the UK irrespective of whether they speak sufficient English.

No doctor can practice in the UK with a licence and registration. 

http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/registration_applications/24985.asp

You do seem to have a bee in your bonnet about "furriners".

I am stating it as a fact. At the moment we are not allowed to question the language skills of doctors or dentists from the EU...some of them have very poor language skills and are a danger. Your accusations of racism are based on ignorance
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 09:38:56 AM
It seems the Superstate idea is still around. Is that really what the remain voters want?

EUROPEAN political chiefs are to take advantage of Brexit by unveiling their long-held plan to morph the continent’s countries into one GIANT SUPERSTATE, it has emerged yesterday.

The foreign ministers of France and Germany are due to reveal a blueprint to effectively do away with individual member states in what is being described as an “ultimatum”.

Under the radical proposals EU countries will lose the right to have their own army, criminal law, taxation system or central bank, with all those powers being transferred to Brussels.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit
As you seem to be very critical of the EU and everything it stands for, can I ask again why you did not vote leave?

Incidentally the article you have quoted comes from the Daily Express - are we now to accept everything they tell us is the truth?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 29, 2016, 09:39:19 AM
Davel wrote:  "expecting doctors to speak english is not racist...it is a safety issue"

________

Reply:
Are you suggesting its a free for all?  That anyone can practice medicine in the UK irrespective of whether they speak sufficient English.

No doctor can practice in the UK with a licence and registration. 

http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/registration_applications/24985.asp

You do seem to have a bee in your bonnet about "furriners".

Perhaps some people would like to furnish us with some statistics on those 'foreign' doctors, dentists, nurses, etc., who have found to be incompetent in their duties, and at the same time provide data for the UK counterparts.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 29, 2016, 10:00:42 AM
They are not transients.  If they were all transient, the net immigration would be zero.

These are people who need houses, jobs, schools, medical facilities, waste disposal, space on the roads, ad infinitum.

All the UK needs for the net immigration flow is one major city each and every year.  Even if that city can be built every year, where does the land come from?

I don't think you read my post properly or if you did you failed to understand it.
As for the basics of infrastructure design you are trying to teach granny to suck eggs.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 29, 2016, 10:15:03 AM
As you seem to be very critical of the EU and everything it stands for, can I ask again why you did not vote leave?

Incidentally the article you have quoted comes from the Daily Express - are we now to accept everything they tell us is the truth?

You can ask anything you like, but I am under no obligation to answer.

You see my posts about the EU as critical, I am endeavoring to be informative. If you don't believe what the newspapers say read this;

https://ec.europa.eu/priorities/publications/five-presidents-report-completing-europes-economic-and-monetary-union_en

Concentrating on trade and the free movement of people makes good headlines but the EU is about much more than that. Rather than being diverted and arguing about the little issues people should be aware of the whole picture. If you don't like the information I'm posting feel free to find and post alternative information. It would be interesting to have a debate which addressed the big questions like sovereignty and democracy.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 10:19:42 AM
You can ask anything you like, but I am under no obligation to answer.

You see my posts about the EU as critical, I am endeavoring to be informative. If you don't believe what the newspapers say read this;

https://ec.europa.eu/priorities/publications/five-presidents-report-completing-europes-economic-and-monetary-union_en

Concentrating on trade and the free movement of people makes good headlines but the EU is about much more than that. Rather than being diverted and arguing about the little issues people should be aware of the whole picture. If you don't like the information I'm posting feel free to find and post alternative information. It would be interesting to have a debate which addressed the big questions like sovereignty and democracy.

I have no opinion on whether the Express is peddling lies or telling the truth, I just find it somewhat amusing that you have chosen a tabloid as your source, when to do so is usually mocked and sneered at in another part of the forum.  I also find it puzzling that you wish to debate this matter whilst at the same time refusing to explain your reasons for not voting leave.   Your choice of course. 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 29, 2016, 10:23:34 AM
Perhaps some people would like to furnish us with some statistics on those 'foreign' doctors, dentists, nurses, etc., who have found to be incompetent in their duties, and at the same time provide data for the UK counterparts.

Perhaps instead of everyone answering your questions which you summarily dismiss you would answer theirs.  Remind me, why do you support a EU?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 29, 2016, 10:29:34 AM
It seems the Superstate idea is still around. Is that really what the remain voters want?

EUROPEAN political chiefs are to take advantage of Brexit by unveiling their long-held plan to morph the continent’s countries into one GIANT SUPERSTATE, it has emerged yesterday.

The foreign ministers of France and Germany are due to reveal a blueprint to effectively do away with individual member states in what is being described as an “ultimatum”.

Under the radical proposals EU countries will lose the right to have their own army, criminal law, taxation system or central bank, with all those powers being transferred to Brussels.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit

The Superstate concept is what the EU is all about with Germany having most influence at the top table.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is seriously deluding themself.

On another note, isn't it wonderful how countries are now falling over each other to be the first to trade with the soon to be new free UK.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 10:31:35 AM
Having clicked on the Express link kindly furnished by G-Unit, my eye was rather taken by the story immediately below it - that Elvis is still alive. 

Sums it up perfectly I feel... @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 29, 2016, 10:33:29 AM
Perhaps instead of everyone answering your questions which you summarily dismiss you would answer theirs.  Remind me, why do you support a EU?

I already have given reasons. I gave one reason yesterday.

I have also noted that some on here question cites which reflect mine and others point of view, yet we are asked with blind faith to support the sites given by brexiters.  8)--))

I also find it interesting to note that I am being asked this question by you repeatedly, yet you fail to ask others who back staying in Europe the same question.


Why is that ?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 29, 2016, 10:34:43 AM
Having clicked on the Express link kindly furnished by G-Unit, my eye was rather taken by the story immediately below it - that Elvis is still alive. 

Sums it up perfectly I feel... @)(++(*

I saw that too Alfie. @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 29, 2016, 10:42:28 AM
The Superstate concept is what the EU is all about with Germany having most influence at the top table.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is seriously deluding themself.

On another note, isn't it wonderful how countries are now falling over each other to be the first to trade with the soon to be new free UK.
yes i agree,also i think the superstate is the brainchild of the usa they control the strings and like all good puppet masters they are never seen  pulling the strings ?>)()<
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 29, 2016, 10:46:51 AM
Having clicked on the Express link kindly furnished by G-Unit, my eye was rather taken by the story immediately below it - that Elvis is still alive. 

Sums it up perfectly I feel... @)(++(*

This sums that comment up perfectly imo.

(https://brillianceinc.com/wp-content/uploads/head-in-sand-iStock_000017719906Medium3-350x255.jpg)
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 29, 2016, 10:48:06 AM
I already have given reasons. I gave one reason yesterday.

I have also noted that some on here question cites which reflect mine and others point of view, yet we are asked with blind faith to support the sites given by brexiters.  8)--))

I also find it interesting to note that I am being asked this question by you repeatedly, yet you fail to ask others who back staying in Europe the same question.


Why is that ?

What reason was that?  The NHS??
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 29, 2016, 10:51:09 AM
yes i agree,also i think the superstate is the brainchild of the usa they control the strings and like all good puppet masters they are never seen  pulling the strings ?>)()<

Have you noticed turnaround Obama?  A week ago he was running down the notion of brexit and now he wants to be best friends again.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 29, 2016, 10:52:16 AM
What reason was that?  The NHS??

Nah.

Not that specifically.

Keep trying.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 10:55:32 AM
This sums that comment up perfectly imo.

(https://brillianceinc.com/wp-content/uploads/head-in-sand-iStock_000017719906Medium3-350x255.jpg)
Tell me why I should believe the Anti-EU propaganda peddled in a pro-Leave tabloid then.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 10:57:18 AM
Have you noticed turnaround Obama?  A week ago he was running down the notion of brexit and now he wants to be best friends again.
What did you expect him to do?  Sever all ties in the event of a Brexit decision?  Get real.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 29, 2016, 10:57:24 AM
yes i agree,also i think the superstate is the brainchild of the usa they control the strings and like all good puppet masters they are never seen  pulling the strings ?>)()<

The US economy (& western economy) is fu**ed & Obama knows it, the petrodollar is dying.

The over throw of the Ukraine Gov 2014 was orchestrated by the US funding a far right group. (Be he's so anti-racist isn't he!)

Ukraine was going to pump cheap Russian oil into Europe, the US couldn't afford to let that happen.

Europe is Americas 51st state.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 29, 2016, 11:03:08 AM
Tell me why I should believe the Anti-EU propaganda peddled in a pro-Leave tabloid then.

Believe whatever you like, it wasn't any worse than the remain bullshit.  People made up their own mind and voted for brexit, get over it.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 29, 2016, 11:05:25 AM
Believe whatever you like, it wasn't any worse than the remain bullshit.  People made up their own mind and voted for brexit, get over it.

The clear B.S. has been from the leave campaign.

All pie in the sky of a promised land, which could never be delivered.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 29, 2016, 11:06:23 AM
yes i agree,also i think the superstate is the brainchild of the usa they control the strings and like all good puppet masters they are never seen  pulling the strings ?>)()<

We know Obama came on a three day visit and issued a few threats. Do we know when it was arranged?

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 29, 2016, 11:07:10 AM
The US economy (& western economy) is fu**ed & Obama knows it, the petrodollar is dying.

The over throw of the Ukraine Gov 2014 was orchestrated by the US funding a far right group. (Be he's so anti-racist isn't he!)

Ukraine was going to pump cheap Russian oil into Europe, the US couldn't afford to let that happen.

Europe is Americas 51st state.

That is exactly what happened with Saddam Hussein.  He was going to sell Iraq's oil to the world but not in dollars but in Euros thus sinking the US economy.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 29, 2016, 11:10:36 AM
The clear B.S. has been from the leave campaign.

All pie in the sky of a promised land, which could never be delivered.

It will be delivered, we will take back control of our own country, we will open up new trade links with the rest of the world, we will save £ billions which would otherwise have been wasted in eastern Europe, we will control immigration to the UK and kick out desirables.  The UK is heading for a bright future under Independence, feel free to take part.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 29, 2016, 11:12:22 AM
That is exactly what happened with Saddam Hussein.  He was going to sell Iraq's oil to the world but not in dollars but in Euros thus sinking the US economy.

....and Gadaffi.

Not covered in the news much but,

In recent weeks western forces have been carrying out the biggest military exercise (since 1940 odd) on the border of Russia.

Nato are surrounding Russia because of the economic threat to the west.

Russian, Chinese ambitions to float a Gold backed currency & abandon the petrodollar is the single biggest threat to western civilization.

WW3 is coming.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 11:20:58 AM
As a small business owner at least I have the consolation that certain workers rights are likely to be repealed and I won't have to pay my part-time staff any holiday or sick pay, so that's good news isn't it?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 29, 2016, 11:25:24 AM
The US economy (& western economy) is fu**ed & Obama knows it, the petrodollar is dying.

The over throw of the Ukraine Gov 2014 was orchestrated by the US funding a far right group. (Be he's so anti-racist isn't he!)

Ukraine was going to pump cheap Russian oil into Europe, the US couldn't afford to let that happen.

Europe is Americas 51st state.
beautifully put 8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 11:26:07 AM
It will be delivered, we will take back control of our own country, we will open up new trade links with the rest of the world, we will save £ billions which would otherwise have been wasted in eastern Europe, we will control immigration to the UK and kick out desirables.  The UK is heading for a bright future under Independence, feel free to take part.
Who do you imagine is going to deliver us unto this Utopia? Boris and the Tories? Or are you hoping that UKIP win a landlslide at the next GE?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 29, 2016, 11:26:41 AM
It will be delivered, we will take back control of our own country, we will open up new trade links with the rest of the world, we will save £ billions which would otherwise have been wasted in eastern Europe, we will control immigration to the UK and kick out desirables.  The UK is heading for a bright future under Independence, feel free to take part.

Cliche, after cliche, after cliche.

Now let's see some proof. 8**8:/:

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 11:28:52 AM
beautifully put 8((()*/
YEs, and the US Government were behind the shooting down of the Malaysia Airlines over the Ukraine, not to mention the terrorist attacks on the Twin Towers.  Oh and they lied about the moon landings too.  And Obama was born in Kenya and is a Muslim.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 29, 2016, 11:29:50 AM
I have no opinion on whether the Express is peddling lies or telling the truth, I just find it somewhat amusing that you have chosen a tabloid as your source, when to do so is usually mocked and sneered at in another part of the forum.  I also find it puzzling that you wish to debate this matter whilst at the same time refusing to explain your reasons for not voting leave.   Your choice of course.

As usual the you appear to prefer questioning my cites and my opinions rather than discussing the issues. Do you think becoming a state in a United States of Europe is attractive or not? Did you take the possibility into account when deciding where you stood?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 29, 2016, 11:33:01 AM
how many times have they pushed us to back their war's for greed.Russia is no threat to us .we want to trade with nations and not have this cold war rhetoric continue.war makes us poorer costs money we need that money to go into the infrastructure of our great country
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 11:34:47 AM
As usual the you appear to prefer questioning my cites and my opinions rather than discussing the issues. Do you think becoming a state in a United States of Europe is attractive or not? Did you take the possibility into account when deciding where you stood?
If you put forward cites and voice opinion for consideration expect them to be questioned.  Isn't that what chat forums are all about? Perhaps not in your view although I note you then go on to ask me my opinion which begs the question - if I voice it, will you respect it and leave it at that, or will you challenge it?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 11:35:53 AM
....and Gadaffi.

Not covered in the news much but,

In recent weeks western forces have been carrying out the biggest military exercise (since 1940 odd) on the border of Russia.

Nato are surrounding Russia because of the economic threat to the west.

Russian, Chinese ambitions to float a Gold backed currency & abandon the petrodollar is the single biggest threat to western civilization.

WW3 is coming.
Dave and the Remain Camp were right about one thing then, eh? 8(>((
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 11:49:41 AM
During diagnosis doctors use a range of methods, including asking the patient questions. Ten days ago I accompanied my husband to A & E. We saw two doctors, one with excellent English and the other, senior doctor with less good English. Neither of us could understand the questions she was asking us. Whether she understood our answers I don't know. The diagnosis and treatment were first class (he has heart failure, so quite serious) but it does add to patient and relative stress levels if communication is difficult.
Sorry to hear about your husband's health issues.  You  must be going through a stressful and worrying time.  That is said with sincerity btw. 
With regard the doctors who saw to your husband, what was their likely country(ies) of origin?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 29, 2016, 12:04:38 PM
As a small business owner at least I have the consolation that certain workers rights are likely to be repealed and I won't have to pay my part-time staff any holiday or sick pay, so that's good news isn't it?

It depends how much commitment you want or need from your staff, I expect. Pay peanuts get monkeys.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 29, 2016, 12:15:37 PM
Sorry to hear about your husband's health issues.  You  must be going through a stressful and worrying time.  That is said with sincerity btw. 
With regard the doctors who saw to your husband, what was their likely country(ies) of origin?

Thank you Alfie. We are fairly realistic at our age and although it's not desirable it is possible to manage it hopefully. We're waiting for a cardiac appointment atm.  I think one doctor was probably born here, my guess with the other one would be Nigerian.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 12:17:29 PM
It depends how much commitment you want or need from your staff, I expect. Pay peanuts get monkeys.
When jobs are thin on the ground and people will accept any wage and any conditions so long as they have some work then they are liable to be exploited don't you agree?  So, if you remove laws designed to protect workers from being exploited don't you think it possible or even likely that workers may run the risk of lower wages and poorer working conditions? 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 12:21:16 PM
Thank you Alfie. We are fairly realistic at our age and although it's not desirable it is possible to manage it hopefully. We're waiting for a cardiac appointment atm.  I think one doctor was probably born here, my guess with the other one would be Nigerian.
Right.  so pulling out of the EU has no bearing whatsoever on doctors coming from Nigeria.  In fact, if we are to accept the Leave argument that because of EU nationals coming here it restricts our ability to bring on board experts from other countries outside of the EU expect to see more Nigerian doctors in the come years not fewer.  This issue of language barriers in the NHS is nothing to do with the EU.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 29, 2016, 12:30:13 PM
If you put forward cites and voice opinion for consideration expect them to be questioned.  Isn't that what chat forums are all about? Perhaps not in your view although I note you then go on to ask me my opinion which begs the question - if I voice it, will you respect it and leave it at that, or will you challenge it?

I gave information and true debaters would check it then find and give alternative information in my opinion. I don't know if this is a rather lightweight 'chat forum' or a serious debating forum, although I'm beginning to suspect the former. Why do you expect your opinion to be respected and not challenged? If you have information saying the EU is not planning a United States of Europe let's see it.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 12:37:25 PM
I gave information and true debaters would check it then find and give alternative information in my opinion. I don't know if this is a rather lightweight 'chat forum' or a serious debating forum, although I'm beginning to suspect the former. Why do you expect your opinion to be respected and not challenged? If you have information saying the EU is not planning a United States of Europe let's see it.
You want me to prove a negative?  You know that's not possible don't you?  However, if you have official statements from senior members of the EU stating that getting rid of nation states and all that entails, and subsuming them into The United States Of Europe is their ultimate aim then I will accept that you are right.  At the moment it sounds like a bit of scaremongering going on....that couldn't possibly be so could it...? &%+((£
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 12:40:40 PM
So, we're looking for proof of the following statement:

EU countries will lose the right to have their own army, criminal law, taxation system or central bank, with all those powers being transferred to Brussels.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 29, 2016, 12:53:38 PM
Who do you imagine is going to deliver us unto this Utopia? Boris and the Tories? Or are you hoping that UKIP win a landlslide at the next GE?

Boris will be the PM and Gow will be Chancellor.  I must add its not my choice of a dream team but that's life.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 29, 2016, 12:55:50 PM
Boris will be the PM and Gow will be Chancellor.  I must add its not my choice of a dream team but that's life.

Then the UK will be up shit creek without a paddle.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 29, 2016, 12:57:25 PM
YEs, and the US Government were behind the shooting down of the Malaysia Airlines over the Ukraine, not to mention the terrorist attacks on the Twin Towers.  Oh and they lied about the moon landings too.  And Obama was born in Kenya and is a Muslim.

Steady on old boy.  Didn't you know the Chinese have had a base on the moon for years?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 29, 2016, 01:01:13 PM
If you put forward cites and voice opinion for consideration expect them to be questioned.  Isn't that what chat forums are all about? Perhaps not in your view although I note you then go on to ask me my opinion which begs the question - if I voice it, will you respect it and leave it at that, or will you challenge it?

It's a two way street Alfie.  Why did you want to stay in the EU?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 29, 2016, 01:03:00 PM
It depends how much commitment you want or need from your staff, I expect. Pay peanuts get monkeys.

Seems in London the reverse applies.  Get monkeys pay fat cat bonuses.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 29, 2016, 01:30:17 PM
There are different things which come from the EU which affect us. Directives are one;

Article 288
To exercise the Union's competences, the institutions shall adopt regulations, directives, decisions, recommendations and opinions.
A regulation shall have general application. It shall be binding in its entirety and directly applicable in all Member States.
A directive shall be binding, as to the result to be achieved, upon each Member State to which it is addressed, but shall leave to the national authorities the choice of form and methods.
A decision shall be binding in its entirety upon those to whom it is addressed.
Recommendations and opinions shall have no binding force.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_(European_Union)

I accept what is said re directives regulations, recommendations etc. That is the price of belonging to the club. What isn't the price of belonging to the club is the UK overbearing attitude that Johnny Foreigner cannot frame laws as long he has a hole up his backside and UK can do it better.  Then UK frame laws for the implementation of  EU Directives that disadvantage the UK with respect to other member states. What has to be worked out is how much of the "damage" is self inflicted rather than imposed.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 29, 2016, 01:31:45 PM
I gave information and true debaters would check it then find and give alternative information in my opinion. I don't know if this is a rather lightweight 'chat forum' or a serious debating forum, although I'm beginning to suspect the former. Why do you expect your opinion to be respected and not challenged? If you have information saying the EU is not planning a United States of Europe let's see it.

One article from the daily express does not an EU policy make.

There is nothing to corroborate this particular story that was based on a rumour.  If you read the article it looks as though the central tenet is denied by everyone else. 

How should a serious debating forum respond to one article in a hysterical newspaper which is still banging on about princess diana being murdered by the royal family?  Apart from wait and see?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 02:08:03 PM
One article from the daily express does not an EU policy make.

There is nothing to corroborate this particular story that was based on a rumour.  If you read the article it looks as though the central tenet is denied by everyone else. 

How should a serious debating forum respond to one article in a hysterical newspaper which is still banging on about princess diana being murdered by the royal family?  Apart from wait and see?
Well quite. 8@??)(
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 02:09:33 PM
It's a two way street Alfie.  Why did you want to stay in the EU?
Because I adore immigrants and refugees and also cities (the newer built the better) and because I despise the Green Belt and everything to do with Britain. 

Of course!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 29, 2016, 02:10:50 PM
One article from the daily express does not an EU policy make.

There is nothing to corroborate this particular story that was based on a rumour.  If you read the article it looks as though the central tenet is denied by everyone else. 

How should a serious debating forum respond to one article in a hysterical newspaper which is still banging on about princess diana being murdered by the royal family?  Apart from wait and see?

I have read it again and people have denied there is the 'political will' among citizens, they have said 'now is not the time' for further integration. Please point me to the bits which deny the 'central tenet'?

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 29, 2016, 02:15:38 PM
Spain tells Sturgeon to Back Off!

The Prime Minister of Spain, Mariano Rajoy Brey, has said he is opposed to negotiating any potential EU membership with Scotland.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is currently in Brussels, persuading EU members that Scotland "doesn't want to leave" the EU.

However, talking to the media following a summit of European leaders on Wednesday, Mr Brey said:
I want to be very clear. Scotland does not have the competence to negotiate with the European Union.

Spain opposes any negotiation by anyone other than the government of United Kingdom.

– MARIANO RAJOY BREY, PRIME MINISTER OF SPAIN

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-06-29/spain-scotland-doesnt-have-the-competence-to-negotiate/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 29, 2016, 02:18:25 PM
I have said this all along, Scotland is not a State and as such must go through proper channels when making any representations to the EU.

 As a aside, and speaking as someone with first hand knowledge of how Scotland works, it is interesting to see how much Scotland now wants to continue to be an integral part of the EU when its Courts promote such disdain of EU Law.

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 02:23:08 PM
Incidentally....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/overseas-nurses-to-be-given-extra-chance-to-pass-language-tests/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 02:26:52 PM
I have read it again and people have denied there is the 'political will' among citizens, they have said 'now is not the time' for further integration. Please point me to the bits which deny the 'central tenet'?
Better still, point to the direct quotes in the article from those in charge of the EU outlining the superstate plan and all that it entails.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 29, 2016, 02:29:09 PM
Spain tells Sturgeon to Back Off!

The Prime Minister of Spain, Mariano Rajoy Brey, has said he is opposed to negotiating any potential EU membership with Scotland.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is currently in Brussels, persuading EU members that Scotland "doesn't want to leave" the EU.

However, talking to the media following a summit of European leaders on Wednesday, Mr Brey said:
I want to be very clear. Scotland does not have the competence to negotiate with the European Union.

Spain opposes any negotiation by anyone other than the government of United Kingdom.

– MARIANO RAJOY BREY, PRIME MINISTER OF SPAIN

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-06-29/spain-scotland-doesnt-have-the-competence-to-negotiate/

Quite right too.  Who the f... does she think she is interfering moo?  @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 29, 2016, 02:35:18 PM
Quite right too.  Who the f... does she think she is interfering moo?  @)(++(*

Can't stand the woman, her voice, that accent, urrrghh (yes I'm racist).

If I ever met her I suspect I may feel compelled to give her a Glaswegian kiss.



Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 29, 2016, 02:50:50 PM
Can't stand the woman, her voice, that accent, urrrghh (yes I'm racist).

If I ever met her I suspect I may feel compelled to give her a Glaswegian kiss.

You mean a ned nod.  She reminds me of the nodding dog in the back of my limo.

Back to Brexit, its going really well so far.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 29, 2016, 02:54:37 PM
She reminds me of the nodding dog in the back of my limo.

There's just something about her, I find her repulsive.

I wasn't to keen on Alex Salmond, but Sturgeon is just somehow soooo much worse.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 03:02:58 PM
You mean a ned nod.  She reminds me of the nodding dog in the back of my limo.

Back to Brexit, its going really well so far.
What aspects of Brexit are going really well so far in your view?  The large reduction in immigrant numbers already or is it the booming economy that you're enjoying?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 29, 2016, 03:06:12 PM
What aspects of Brexit are going really well so far in your view?  The large reduction in immigrant numbers already or is it the booming economy that you're enjoying?

The 'poor" students bawling their little immature heads off in Parliament Square in London last night was awe inspiring don't you think?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 29, 2016, 03:14:00 PM
Boris still well ahead in our PM poll.

https://twitter.com/Justice_forum/status/747428034790199296

(https://labourpartysupporters.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/boris-johnson-prime-minister.jpg)
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 29, 2016, 03:38:42 PM
Boris still well ahead in our PM poll.

https://twitter.com/Justice_forum/status/747428034790199296

(https://labourpartysupporters.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/boris-johnson-prime-minister.jpg)

Well as the saying goes, simple things.................
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 29, 2016, 03:53:58 PM
From the EU.

There will be no access to the Free Market, unless there ishould free movement between the EU and the UK.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 29, 2016, 04:10:04 PM
From the EU.

There will be no access to the Free Market, unless there ishould free movement between the EU and the UK.

Does that mean we will have no access to
Mercedes
BMW
Audi
Peugeot
Citroen
VW
Fiat

Skoda
Porsche

Etc
Can't see that happening
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 29, 2016, 04:47:14 PM
Does that mean we will have no access to
Mercedes
BMW
Audi
Peugeot
Citroen
VW
Fiat

Skoda
Porsche

Etc
Can't see that happening

How do you think we pay for those toys?   By running a trade surplus with the EU in invisibles, mainly financial services. Loss of pas sporting would have a catastrophic effect.  In the end I predict we will end up with a model very close to the Norway one.  Including free movement of people.

The alternative will I anticipate result  in a reduction in net migration to around zero.  Or below. 

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 29, 2016, 05:08:36 PM
From the EU.

There will be no access to the Free Market, unless there ishould free movement between the EU and the UK.

Remain or leave was the question. Which bit of leave do the politicians not understand?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 29, 2016, 05:11:17 PM
Remain or leave was the question. Which bit of leave do the politicians not understand?

Are suggesting cutting ourselves off from any trade with the e.u?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 29, 2016, 05:16:28 PM
Are suggesting cutting ourselves off from any trade with the e.u?

That will never happen because the UK imports much more of their kit than we sell to them.  As far as free movement is concerned that is all very well but it will exclude non EU nationals. Free movement should not include the right to work and any EU citizen who overstays should be booted out. Irish and Gibraltarians excluded of course.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 29, 2016, 05:19:45 PM
How do you think we pay for those toys?   By running a trade surplus with the EU in invisibles, mainly financial services. Loss of pas sporting would have a catastrophic effect.  In the end I predict we will end up with a model very close to the Norway one.  Including free movement of people.

The alternative will I anticipate result  in a reduction in net migration to around zero.  Or below.

I can't see anything different happening.
They are a bit hot on their four basic freedoms and we are a bit slow on the matter of half our exports going to EU but only ten percent of their exports come to UK....... &%+((£
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 29, 2016, 05:26:45 PM
(http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/893000/620x/Nicola-Jim-463550.jpg)
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 29, 2016, 05:31:43 PM
(http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/893000/620x/Nicola-Jim-463550.jpg)

That's uncanny. 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 29, 2016, 05:36:56 PM
(http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/893000/620x/Nicola-Jim-463550.jpg)
is that her in her school days, @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 05:38:53 PM
The 'poor" students bawling their little immature heads off in Parliament Square in London last night was awe inspiring don't you think?
So, the gloating at the losers is going well, anything else?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 29, 2016, 05:42:05 PM
(https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/ad_165828585.jpg?w=748&h=639&crop=1)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxzW_JJCUAEWSQV.jpg:large)

http://metro.co.uk/2015/04/14/is-this-the-best-private-eye-celebrity-lookalike-ever-5149633/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 05:43:08 PM
The Tories will fail to deliver on the immigration issue.  There will be widespread discontent at the perceived BoJo betrayal.  UKIP will sweep to power at the start of the 20s 'and Nigel Farage will be our PM. 

Happy days, eh?
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 29, 2016, 05:43:32 PM
So, the gloating at the losers is going well, anything else?

Define loser in this instance.
Plenty of legs left in this.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 29, 2016, 07:43:58 PM
is that her in her school days, @)(++(*

and then we have Boris....

(http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3f/e4/18/3fe4185f0c46cdc72f4c181257d12cd3.jpg)

All done of course in the best possible taste.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 07:53:28 PM
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_57737efce4b081f48abaa055?edition=uk

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 29, 2016, 08:10:58 PM
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_57737efce4b081f48abaa055?edition=uk

 @)(++(*

Thank you for posting that Alfie. %£5&% %£5&% %£5&%
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 29, 2016, 08:27:07 PM
How do you think we pay for those toys?   By running a trade surplus with the EU in invisibles, mainly financial services. Loss of pas sporting would have a catastrophic effect.  In the end I predict we will end up with a model very close to the Norway one.  Including free movement of people.

The alternative will I anticipate result  in a reduction in net migration to around zero.  Or below.

and Germany will want to make sure we can still afford to buy all those nice German goods
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on June 29, 2016, 09:26:58 PM
29/6/16  http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36660133

"The FTSE 100 has surged through the level it closed at last Thursday, recovering all of the ground it had lost in the wake of the Brexit vote.

The FTSE 100 share index closed up 3.6% at 6,360.1 after a flurry of last-minute trading.

At the close of trade on Thursday last week, before the referendum vote, the FTSE 100 ended the day at 6,338.10.

The pound also strengthened against the dollar and euro.

Analysts said the sharp recovery in the FTSE 100 was unexpected."
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: rotti on June 29, 2016, 09:47:10 PM
29/6/16  http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36660133

"The FTSE 100 has surged through the level it closed at last Thursday, recovering all of the ground it had lost in the wake of the Brexit vote.

The FTSE 100 share index closed up 3.6% at 6,360.1 after a flurry of last-minute trading.

At the close of trade on Thursday last week, before the referendum vote, the FTSE 100 ended the day at 6,338.10.

The pound also strengthened against the dollar and euro.

Analysts said the sharp recovery in the FTSE 100 was unexpected."
i think that sums it up.the future is bright 8((()*/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 29, 2016, 10:12:59 PM
Not quite.

Pound to Dollar  1 : 1.34

Pound to Euro    1 : 1.21

Both still down from before the referendum.

and we are still in the EU, until article 50 is initiated and all procedures associated agreed and ratified.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 29, 2016, 10:48:14 PM
It's early days and it would be nice to think the financial turmoil of the last few days is already behind us but I fear that optmism may be a little premature.

Also of note, from the BBC article:

The FTSE 250 - which contains more UK-focused companies - closed 3.2% higher on Wednesday, but still remains more than 7% below its pre-Brexit level.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 29, 2016, 10:52:34 PM
Spain tells Sturgeon to Back Off!

The Prime Minister of Spain, Mariano Rajoy Brey, has said he is opposed to negotiating any potential EU membership with Scotland.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is currently in Brussels, persuading EU members that Scotland "doesn't want to leave" the EU.

However, talking to the media following a summit of European leaders on Wednesday, Mr Brey said:
I want to be very clear. Scotland does not have the competence to negotiate with the European Union.

Spain opposes any negotiation by anyone other than the government of United Kingdom.

– MARIANO RAJOY BREY, PRIME MINISTER OF SPAIN

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-06-29/spain-scotland-doesnt-have-the-competence-to-negotiate/

And  now Francois Hollande had joinen the fray and told Sturgeon and Scotland that they have to leave with the UK.  Mr Hollande, the French President, insisted the EU will make no advance deal with Scotland. He said: "The negotiations will be conducted with the United Kingdom, not with a part of the United Kingdom.”

And too right too!  @)(++(*

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/29/nicola-sturgeons-hopes-of-keeping-scotland-in-eu-dashed-by-spani/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Brietta on June 29, 2016, 11:09:39 PM
And  now Francois Hollande had joinen the fray and told Sturgeon and Scotland that they have to leave with the UK.  Mr Hollande, the French President, insisted the EU will make no advance deal with Scotland. He said: "The negotiations will be conducted with the United Kingdom, not with a part of the United Kingdom.”

And too right too!  @)(++(*

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/29/nicola-sturgeons-hopes-of-keeping-scotland-in-eu-dashed-by-spani/

The SNP is going through the motions, John.  They are merely preparing the ground for their next move.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 29, 2016, 11:21:26 PM
The SNP is going through the motions, John.  They are merely preparing the ground for their next move.

Can't think what that would be, Sturgeon knows that another failed indy referendum would mean the end of her too.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2016, 11:38:24 PM
It's early days and it would be nice to think the financial turmoil of the last few days is already behind us but I fear that optmism may be a little premature.

Also of note, from the BBC article:

The FTSE 250 - which contains more UK-focused companies - closed 3.2% higher on Wednesday, but still remains more than 7% below its pre-Brexit level.

Dead cat bounce!

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/deadcatbounce.asp

Nearly all the major global indices are down pre Brexit other that FTSE 100  &%+((£

Sterling way down pre Brexit.  UK credit rating downgraded by S&P, Fitch and Moodys.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 29, 2016, 11:52:59 PM
So, we see the latent anger of a population over years for a variety of reasons unleashed into a brexit vote...and its all the eus and immgrants fault, so laughable, and to top it all the UK has the arrogance to think it can do any deal it wants riding roughshod over wales scotland and NI...well they better think twice

Meanwhile the pupetteers and backstabbers and sold out souls are having some trouble trying to destroy corbyn and the labour party, well they better thnk twice as well


Ho hum

And Im sure admn wont mind me voicing my disgust at the blatant racism allowed to run loose on ths forum, absolutely disgusting, after all if they have a voice I should too
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 30, 2016, 12:02:22 AM
Oh and btw johnson wont become leader of this country, hes a flippant floosie, just like gove, only gove can beat him at scrabble , thats goves best feature, pub quiz winner
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2016, 12:03:10 AM
Believe whatever you like, it wasn't any worse than the remain bullshit.  People made up their own mind and voted for brexit, get over it.

How can anyone make an informed decision if they're being fed BS?  This is the reason I didn't bother voting.
This wouldn't be allowed in any other walk of life due to the risk of being sued for providing misleading information: 

"Chris Grayling, the Tory Cabinet member and prominent Brexit campaigner, has said the idea of spending millions a week on the NHS instead of the EU was only “an aspiration” – despite a slogan being written in massive letters on the side of the Vote Leave battle bus suggesting £350 million a week could be diverted from the EU to the NHS".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-350-million-a-week-extra-for-the-nhs-only-an-aspiration-says-vote-leave-campaigner-chris-a7105246.html

It seems when it comes down to political advertising parties can say what they want under the guise of 'freedom of speech'.

"Political advertising

All complaints of political bias in TV or radio advertising should be made to Ofcom.

For reasons of freedom of speech, we do not have remit over non-broadcast ads where the purpose of the ad is to persuade voters in a local, national or international electoral referendum. Complaints about political advertising should be made directly to the party responsible for that advertising".

https://www.asa.org.uk/Consumers/What-we-cover/Complaints-outside-remit.aspx
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 30, 2016, 12:05:44 AM
How can anyone make an informed decision if they're being fed BS?  This is the reason I didn't bother voting.
This wouldn't be allowed in any other walk of life due to the risk of being sued for providing misleading information: 

"Chris Grayling, the Tory Cabinet member and prominent Brexit campaigner, has said the idea of spending millions a week on the NHS instead of the EU was only “an aspiration” – despite a slogan being written in massive letters on the side of the Vote Leave battle bus suggesting £350 million a week could be diverted from the EU to the NHS".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-350-million-a-week-extra-for-the-nhs-only-an-aspiration-says-vote-leave-campaigner-chris-a7105246.html

It seems when it comes down to political advertising parties can say what they want under the guise of 'freedom of speech'.

"Political advertising

All complaints of political bias in TV or radio advertising should be made to Ofcom.

For reasons of freedom of speech, we do not have remit over non-broadcast ads where the purpose of the ad is to persuade voters in a local, national or international electoral referendum. Complaints about political advertising should be made directly to the party responsible for that advertising".

https://www.asa.org.uk/Consumers/What-we-cover/Complaints-outside-remit.aspx

Its all on  camerons head imo
He called the referendum
He must have known the result was possible
Hes irresponsble imo throwng the country into turmoil

Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Brietta on June 30, 2016, 12:07:21 AM
Can't think what that would be, Sturgeon knows that another failed indy referendum would mean the end of her too.

Next time round they will have done their fiscal homework and they will go for it when they know the time is right.

They lost by a whisker last time round; they will retain that vote.
Added to that will be enough 'better together' voters to give them their majority.  That is her target audience for the Brussels visit, she knows fine the legal situation regarding the part of the whole being ineligible to stay in ... but doesn't at least being seen to be making the effort make for good PR.

Don't underestimate the tenacity or single mindedness of an organisation which would turn cartwheels for 'freedom' from 'English rule' without understanding or even recognising the dichotomy that is exchanging it for 'Brussels rule'.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 30, 2016, 12:17:17 AM
Next time round they will have done their fiscal homework and they will go for it when they know the time is right.

They lost by a whisker last time round; they will retain that vote.
Added to that will be enough 'better together' voters to give them their majority.  That is her target audience for the Brussels visit, she knows fine the legal situation regarding the part of the whole being ineligible to stay in ... but doesn't at least being seen to be making the effort make for good PR.

Don't underestimate the tenacity or single mindedness of an organisation which would turn cartwheels for 'freedom' from 'English rule' without understanding or even recognising the dichotomy that is exchanging it for 'Brussels rule'.
If scotland would be fnancially worse off with brexit why shouldnt she attempt to escape it? Or do whatever she can to send out the message scotland needs reassurances,  camerons not giving ANY reassurances to ANYONE whatsoever, his blanket message is, its the new prime mnisters respnsibility!!

Shes just doing her bleeding job and people are berating her for it and posting pathetic pics
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 30, 2016, 12:23:05 AM
King of england?

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2016/jun/29/george-i-daughter-smallpox-inoculation-letter

He hardly spoke a word of english
 @)(++(*

Bloody foreigner
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 30, 2016, 12:37:20 AM
And the queens heritage is german and her hubby is greek

Sheesh

Pls send deportation papers to them pdq
And while youre at at it sack the london mayor and all mps includng farage whose heritage is not gene friendly english
Even the rivers of blood spokesman mght be turnng in his grave
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: sadie on June 30, 2016, 12:57:10 AM
And the queens heritage is german and her hubby is greek

Sheesh

Pls send deportation papers to them pdq
And while youre at at it sack the london mayor and all mps includng farage whose heritage is not gene friendly english
Even the rivers of blood spokesman mght be turnng in his grave
I thought that you hated racists?   £4%4%
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: mercury on June 30, 2016, 02:08:57 AM
I thought that you hated racists?   £4%4%

you need to have a brain scan or an iq import pdq

Jesus wept

Show me one post of mine that is racist or supports them or else shut up sadie
Youre obviously ncapable of reading irony and piss takes!!
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 30, 2016, 07:44:17 AM
Things are starting to look better already



France last night signalled the EU could strike a deal with Britain on immigration.
In a major boost for hopes of a smooth exit for the UK, finance minister Michel Sapin said there would be no ‘red lines’ in talks over the single market.
His declaration of flexibility was backed by Finland’s deputy PM. The first signs of a crack in the EU’s united front came as stock markets rallied and fears of a post-Brexit economic slump eased.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3666971/Europe-starts-crack-migrants-French-say-Britain-trade-deal-control-border.html#ixzz4D2hMIjls
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Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 30, 2016, 07:54:11 AM
EU end? German finance minister warns Juncker EU will DESTROY ITSELF if it doesn't change

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/684292/Germany-warns-Juncker-spreading-EU-discontent-Brexit-Europe

Looks like Brexit is going to cause changes for the better
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 30, 2016, 08:14:15 AM
On Lyric FM (Irish) radio this morning, there is mention of a second referendum, and Boris Johnson apparently is now willing to negotiate. There was mention of a second referendum even by brexiters prior to the referendum.

I note the Gov.uk petition, after removal of multiple votes from overseas, has now exceeded 4 Million petitioners.

Nice.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Davel on June 30, 2016, 08:23:09 AM
On Lyric radio this morning, there is mention of a second referendum, and Boris Johnson apparently is now willing to negotiate. There was mention of a second referendum even by brexiters prior to the referendum.

I note the Gov.uk petition, after removal of multiple votes from overseas, has now exceeded 4 Million petitioners.

Nice.

There may well be a second third and fourth referendum but they will not be in the UK
The people have spoken and Europe has listened and there will be changes
Merkel encouraging asylum seekers is a sign of how much the leaders were out of touch with the people
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 30, 2016, 08:39:20 AM
On Lyric radio this morning, there is mention of a second referendum, and Boris Johnson apparently is now willing to negotiate. There was mention of a second referendum even by brexiters prior to the referendum.

I note the Gov.uk petition, after removal of multiple votes from overseas, has now exceeded 4 Million petitioners.

Nice.

I gather 75% of MPs think that leaving the EU is a very bad idea for the country.

The referendum was poorly conducted on both sides.

Brexit will not actually solve the underlying problems.  Which are lack of investment in infrastructure, schools, hospitals, roads etc.  these have not kept up with the increase in population, and that has been made worse by immigration. 

It may sound a bit radical but maybe we should tear up the referendum and immediately.get on with a major building and investment  Programme. 

I can see a few problems - given we have lowish unemployment we may need to recruit labour from outside, but a two or three year, properly done development programme may improve things for everyone. 


Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 30, 2016, 08:39:48 AM
As a further note.

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http://qz.com/717781/best-two-out-of-three-the-precedents-for-re-doing-the-brexit-referendum/


' Was a second referendum part of Boris Johnson’s plan all along? '

If you look at the financial markets, the Brexit vote will wreak havoc on the UK, Europe, and possibly the global economy. But if you look at political history, there are signs that things may not end so dramatically.

Such is the viewpoint (paywall) of Gideon Rachman, a Financial Times columnist who proffered (paywall) months ago that Brexit, then considered unlikely, would actually happen. In a column today (June 27), he writes that his depression over Britain’s vote to leave the EU ended abruptly when he realized that the move is actually just politics as usual for EU members looking to extract concessions from the union.

“Any long-term observer of the EU should be familiar with the shock referendum result. In 1992 the Danes voted to reject the Maastricht treaty. The Irish voted to reject both the Nice treaty in 2001 and the Lisbon treaty in 2008,” he writes. “And what happened in each case? The EU rolled ever onwards.”

Both Denmark and Ireland leveraged these protest votes to extract concessions from the EU, and then held second referendums in which they voted “yes” to the treaties and moved on, still entwined with the EU.
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Enough said.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 30, 2016, 08:50:54 AM
I gather 75% of MPs think that leaving the EU is a very bad idea for the country.

The referendum was poorly conducted on both sides.

Brexit will not actually solve the underlying problems.  Which are lack of investment in infrastructure, schools, hospitals, roads etc.  these have not kept up with the increase in population, and that has been made worse by immigration. 

It may sound a bit radical but maybe we should tear up the referendum and immediately.get on with a major building and investment  Programme. 

I can see a few problems - given we have lowish unemployment we may need to recruit labour from outside, but a two or three year, properly done development programme may improve things for everyone.

Some interesting points J.P.

Investment in this countries infrastructure is imperative.

To do that, outside labour is essential.

Meanwhile, I note that the current costing of the High Speed rail links has been underestimated, and is also behind schedule. I still have difficulty seeing the merits of a system which will reduce journey times by a matter of a few minutes between cities, especially whilst the current system is in need of upgrading.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 30, 2016, 09:04:32 AM
If the politicians don't do what they promised this time and are seen to go back on the verdict of this referendum I predict there will be civil unrest on a scale we haven't seen for a long time, it will also open the doors for UKIP to win a GE.  Whilst I don't support withdrawal from the EU, I think there's no going back without even more dire consequences for the country's stability and cohesion....
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 30, 2016, 09:25:45 AM
If the politicians don't do what they promised this time and are seen to go back on the verdict of this referendum I predict there will be civil unrest on a scale we haven't seen for a long time, it will also open the doors for UKIP to win a GE.  Whilst I don't support withdrawal from the EU, I think there's no going back without even more dire consequences for the country's stability and cohesion....

Possibly.



Those who voted leave on the grounds of the contribution to the EU or the wish to reduce immigration were lied to by Gove, Johnson, Farage and the rest of the crew. 

If we maintain the result of the referendum, and power ahead with leaving membership of the EU, We have two very stark choices.


Norway option, and do ok, but accept free movement of people.

Leave the single market.  And face financial catastrophe. 

___________

On a more positive level, maybe we can bargain concessions with the EU. hold a second referendum or a GE with a clear manadate and maintain membership.

But we must do something about infrastructure.   
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 30, 2016, 09:38:17 AM
If the politicians don't do what they promised this time and are seen to go back on the verdict of this referendum I predict there will be civil unrest on a scale we haven't seen for a long time, it will also open the doors for UKIP to win a GE.  Whilst I don't support withdrawal from the EU, I think there's no going back without even more dire consequences for the country's stability and cohesion....

I note your comments.

I also consider what could happen if we leave the EU without agreements being made, and foreign investment diminishes, and with relocation of businesses to mainland Europe, with subsequent levels of unemployment rising , that also could lead to massive civil unrest, as the lies of the brexiters come home to roost.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2016, 09:46:17 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36670075

I predict property prices to fall by about 50%. 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 30, 2016, 09:55:40 AM
On Sky News, Michael Gove is standing for the Conservative Party leadership., saying that Boris


'CANNOT PROVIDE LEADERSHIP OR BUILD THE TEAM FOR THE TASK AHEAD'

 @)(++(* @)(++(*

There is nothing like the Tory party when it comes to back-stabbing each other.


In an interview before the referendum, I recall Gove stating he had no interest in becoming the Tory Party leader.


Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2016, 10:07:40 AM
On Sky News, Michael Gove is standing for the Conservative Party leadership., saying that Boris


'CANNOT PROVIDE LEADERSHIP OR BUILD THE TEAM FOR THE TASK AHEAD'

 @)(++(* @)(++(*

There is nothing like the Tory party when it comes to back-stabbing each other.

Yesterday MG's wife, Sarah Vine a journo @ DM, was telling MG he must get a firm job offer from BJ!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/29/michael-goves-wife-doubts-boris-johnson-email-sarah-vine-dacre-murdoch

BJ and MG will surely be forever tainted with the Brexit lies.  I'm not saying there wasn't as much misleading info from remain but TM didn't seem to get embroiled in it.

So it might come down to Angela need a bra fitting Eagles or Theresa May.  I know where my vote will be going! 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 30, 2016, 10:12:48 AM
Theresa May on Boris's negotiating chances:

 "The last time he did a deal with the Germans he came back with three nearly-new water cannon."
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 30, 2016, 10:14:29 AM
Yesterday MG's wife, Sarah Vine a journo @ DM, was telling MG he must get a firm job offer from BJ!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/29/michael-goves-wife-doubts-boris-johnson-email-sarah-vine-dacre-murdoch

BJ and MG will surely be forever tainted with the Brexit lies.  I'm not saying there wasn't as much misleading info from remain but TM didn't seem to get embroiled in it.

So it might come down to Angela need a bra fitting Eagles or Theresa May.  I know where my vote will be going!


Not hard to guess Holly. %£5&%
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: G-Unit on June 30, 2016, 10:30:36 AM
If the politicians don't do what they promised this time and are seen to go back on the verdict of this referendum I predict there will be civil unrest on a scale we haven't seen for a long time, it will also open the doors for UKIP to win a GE.  Whilst I don't support withdrawal from the EU, I think there's no going back without even more dire consequences for the country's stability and cohesion....

I agree. Mostly people rub along being allowed to 'choose' at a General Election although the choice is extremely limited. This referendum was direct democracy, however, with a clear result.

People are horrified at the reaction of the politicians and the media. Denigrating voters because the result didn't suit them. Cameron refusing to implement the result. Labour MP's defying the democratic will of their own party.

The vote probably wasn't seen as a blow for democracy, but the result has highlighted how little store politicians and the media value it. They have made it the issue now.

It seems Angela Eagle is said the be challenging Jeremy Corbyn's leadership despite her constituency telling her they support him. Which bit of 'representation' do these arrogant MP's not understand?
http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/14585110.Angela_Eagle_under_pressure_from_Wallasey_Labour_party_over_Corbyn_vote/
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 30, 2016, 10:32:43 AM
Tory Leadership bid could tear Party apart!

Theresa May and Michael Gove have both entered bids to become leader of the Conservative Party and thereafter become Prime Minister by default.

Despite partnering Johnson in the EU referendum, Gove is now saying that Johnson does not have the leadership qualities required to lead the Conservative Party.  For her part Theresa May today mocked Johnson saying that his negotiating skills only extend to buying used water cannons from the Germans.  She also said that she would not call a General Election until 2020 and would not invoke EU Article 50 until the end of the year.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: John on June 30, 2016, 10:36:34 AM
On Sky News, Michael Gove is standing for the Conservative Party leadership., saying that Boris


'CANNOT PROVIDE LEADERSHIP OR BUILD THE TEAM FOR THE TASK AHEAD'

 @)(++(* @)(++(*

There is nothing like the Tory party when it comes to back-stabbing each other.


In an interview before the referendum, I recall Gove stating he had no interest in becoming the Tory Party leader.

It seems that e-mail from Gove's wife was the catalyst.  Johnson is to speak publicly very shortly, it will be interesting to hear his response to the backstabbers. 
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 30, 2016, 10:48:46 AM
Possibly.



Those who voted leave on the grounds of the contribution to the EU or the wish to reduce immigration were lied to by Gove, Johnson, Farage and the rest of the crew. 

If we maintain the result of the referendum, and power ahead with leaving membership of the EU, We have two very stark choices.


Norway option, and do ok, but accept free movement of people.

Leave the single market.  And face financial catastrophe. 

___________

On a more positive level, maybe we can bargain concessions with the EU. hold a second referendum or a GE with a clear manadate and maintain membership.

But we must do something about infrastructure.

A lot of what we have done is the result of specific EU grants. OK we paid in but EU allowed the money back on conditions. Now "we are in charge" will that money be spent to the benefit appropriate areas as before or pissed up against the wall on white elephants ? to use a interesting mix of phrases  ?{)(**
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 30, 2016, 10:51:01 AM
I agree. Mostly people rub along being allowed to 'choose' at a General Election although the choice is extremely limited. This referendum was direct democracy, however, with a clear result.

People are horrified at the reaction of the politicians and the media. Denigrating voters because the result didn't suit them. Cameron refusing to implement the result. Labour MP's defying the democratic will of their own party.

The vote probably wasn't seen as a blow for democracy, but the result has highlighted how little store politicians and the media value it. They have made it the issue now.

It seems Angela Eagle is said the be challenging Jeremy Corbyn's leadership despite her constituency telling her they support him. Which bit of 'representation' do these arrogant MP's not understand?
http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/14585110.Angela_Eagle_under_pressure_from_Wallasey_Labour_party_over_Corbyn_vote/

I am afraid to say G-Unit, that the Labour M.P.'s are quite entitled to have held the vote of confidence in their 'leader'.

Corbyn has surrounded himself with toadies.

He is a decent man, but he is deluding himself, if he really thinks he can bring a Labour victory.

As to backing within the party, we shall see in the election for the nest leader.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Brietta on June 30, 2016, 10:53:11 AM
In the meantime, the posturing and mischief making will continue, taking the eye off the ball and scrutiny of the job politicians were elected to do ... and that is running the country effectively.
The potholes wrecking our wheels are nothing at all to do with Europe.

One of the opening salvos was fired in Westminster in the SNP war of attrition with the Pete Wishart 'attempt' quoting Erskine May to be recognised as the official opposition.

SNP's bid to replace Labour as Commons opposition rejected
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36660386

You ain't seen nothin' yet, they are very good at this, and with the lure of another stab at a separation referendum very much on the cards (I believe Quebec are agitating for another) there is much more capital to be made from such posturing.
Nicola Sturgeon was not 'wasting her time' being rebuffed in Europe.  She was there as a cog in a well oiled machine.

The country could well do without all of this.  I am of the same opinion as Alfie.  A democratic vote was taken unfortunately without the prior safeguard of a percentage rule on the outcome and we are bound by the will of the majority.

Instead of getting bogged down as we seem to be at present, our politicians need to look to the future and make this divisive thing work as best as it can.  First of all by getting the best exit deal possible.  The SNP didn't exactly hit the ground running post Brexit, even their strategists in their wildest dreams couldn't believe their luck, but they are running with a head of steam now and leaving everyone else wandering around at the starting post scratching their heads.

Our unionist and internationalist MPs are letting us down by their lack of control of the situation.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alfie on June 30, 2016, 11:04:39 AM
Tory Leadership bid could tear Party apart!

Theresa May and Michael Gove have both entered bids to become leader of the Conservative Party and thereafter become Prime Minister by default.

Despite partnering Johnson in the EU referendum, Gove is now saying that Johnson does not have the leadership qualities required to lead the Conservative Party.  For her part Theresa May today mocked Johnson saying that his negotiating skills only extend to buying used water cannons from the Germans.  She also said that she would not call a General Election until 2020 and would not invoke EU Article 50 until the end of the year.
Unbe-freakin-lievable.  Except it's not @)(++(*  Bunch of snakes the lot of them.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 30, 2016, 11:05:03 AM
In the meantime, the posturing and mischief making will continue, taking the eye off the ball and scrutiny of the job politicians were elected to do ... and that is running the country effectively.
The potholes wrecking our wheels are nothing at all to do with Europe.

One of the opening salvos was fired in Westminster in the SNP war of attrition with the Pete Wishart 'attempt' quoting Erskine May to be recognised as the official opposition.

SNP's bid to replace Labour as Commons opposition rejected
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36660386

You ain't seen nothin' yet, they are very good at this, and with the lure of another stab at a separation referendum very much on the cards (I believe Quebec are agitating for another) there is much more capital to be made from such posturing.
Nicola Sturgeon was not 'wasting her time' being rebuffed in Europe.  She was there as a cog in a well oiled machine.

The country could well do without all of this.  I am of the same opinion as Alfie.  A democratic vote was taken unfortunately without the prior safeguard of a percentage rule on the outcome and we are bound by the will of the majority.

Instead of getting bogged down as we seem to be at present, our politicians need to look to the future and make this divisive thing work as best as it can.  First of all by getting the best exit deal possible.  The SNP didn't exactly hit the ground running post Brexit, even their strategists in their wildest dreams couldn't believe their luck, but they are running with a head of steam now and leaving everyone else wandering around at the starting post scratching their heads.

Our unionist and internationalist MPs are letting us down by their lack of control of the situation.

But not in a referendum which has no legal standing. Spin out invoking Article 50 long enough and one might have an opportunity to play the "circumstances have changed" card and maintain the status quo. All the huffing and puffing going in Europe at present is from "the founding fathers", don't forget there are another 22 nations involved all with a vote.

I agree with being bogged down. Over 600 MP's and not a leader among them. Well with two possible exceptions that is.............
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 30, 2016, 11:07:39 AM
In the meantime, the posturing and mischief making will continue, taking the eye off the ball and scrutiny of the job politicians were elected to do ... and that is running the country effectively.
The potholes wrecking our wheels are nothing at all to do with Europe.

One of the opening salvos was fired in Westminster in the SNP war of attrition with the Pete Wishart 'attempt' quoting Erskine May to be recognised as the official opposition.

SNP's bid to replace Labour as Commons opposition rejected
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36660386

You ain't seen nothin' yet, they are very good at this, and with the lure of another stab at a separation referendum very much on the cards (I believe Quebec are agitating for another) there is much more capital to be made from such posturing.
Nicola Sturgeon was not 'wasting her time' being rebuffed in Europe.  She was there as a cog in a well oiled machine.

The country could well do without all of this.  I am of the same opinion as Alfie.  A democratic vote was taken unfortunately without the prior safeguard of a percentage rule on the outcome and we are bound by the will of the majority.

Instead of getting bogged down as we seem to be at present, our politicians need to look to the future and make this divisive thing work as best as it can.  First of all by getting the best exit deal possible.  The SNP didn't exactly hit the ground running post Brexit, even their strategists in their wildest dreams couldn't believe their luck, but they are running with a head of steam now and leaving everyone else wandering around at the starting post scratching their heads.

Our unionist and internationalist MPs are letting us down by their lack of control of the situation.

Basically Brietta, the situation is a mess, an with the major uncertainty in the main two political parties as regards leadership, there will be no short term fix.

Also, when the new leaders are elected, the best way forward in my view would be a GE, merely to clear the way for what ever happens next.
Title: Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 30, 2016, 11:08:53 AM