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UK and North American politics. => A look at British politics in the light of the decision to leave the EU. => Topic started by: John on June 30, 2016, 01:47:22 PM

Title: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: John on June 30, 2016, 01:47:22 PM
Boris has now decided not to seek the leadership of the Conservative Party following on from events yesterday.  Meanwhile Michael Gove has decided to stand even though he previously stated categorically that he wouldn't.  Pro Remain campaigners Theresa May and Stephen Crabb have also now thrown their hats into the ring along with Leave campaigners Andrea Leadsom and Liam Fox.

I go for Andrea or Liam as the only candidates capable of implementing #Brexit.

Early indications in our snap pole certainly indicate a Leadsom lead.
https://twitter.com/Justice_forum/status/748493156040183811

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Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 30, 2016, 03:47:18 PM
I thought Andrea Leadsom presented well during the Brexit campaign.  She has a banking background and will understand how important financial services are to the UK economy along with maintaining the banking passport.  She obviously doesn't have TM's experience in government. I doubt she can compete with TM's impressive collection of shoes! 

As for Stephen Crabb, I struggle to take men with facial hair seriously but that might be a failing on my part! 

I'm not sure about Dr Liam Fox.  I will have to go and listen to him on some YouTube clips. 

The Tories are lucky to have two high calibre candidates in TM and AL. 
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: John on June 30, 2016, 04:51:32 PM
I thought Andrea Leadsom presented well during the Brexit campaign.  She has a banking background and will understand how important financial services are to the UK economy along with maintaining the banking passport.  She obviously doesn't have TM's experience in government. I doubt she can compete with TM's impressive collection of shoes! 

As for Stephen Crabb, I struggle to take men with facial hair seriously but that might be a failing on my part! 

I'm not sure about Dr Liam Fox.  I will have to go and listen to him on some YouTube clips. 

The Tories are lucky to have two high calibre candidates in TM and AL.

Theresa May was loyal to Cameron and a remainer.   Although she has the right credentials to be PM the game has now changed since the referendum.  I don't trust any MP who can change their allegiance at the drop of a hat. 

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on June 30, 2016, 04:54:58 PM
Theresa May was loyal to Cameron and a remainer.   Although she has the right credentials to be PM the game has now changed since the referendum.  I don't trust any MP who can change their allegiance at the drop of a hat.

You mean like Gove ?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: John on June 30, 2016, 05:02:51 PM
You mean like Gove ?

Yes, him too!   Slippery as a kipper!
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 30, 2016, 05:40:17 PM
Theresa May was loyal to Cameron and a remainer.   Although she has the right credentials to be PM the game has now changed since the referendum.  I don't trust any MP who can change their allegiance at the drop of a hat.

There are too many words in that sentence John. Try this:

"I don't trust any MP who can change their allegiance at the drop of a hat".

MPs with principle I can recall in my lifetime.
Powell
Thorneycroft
Birch
Profumo
Hesseltine
Cook.
All resigned ministerial posts on points of principle.
Don't laugh about Profumo, he resigned because he lied to the house not because he was legging it over with a call girl who was legging it over with a Russian attache.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 30, 2016, 06:03:39 PM
There are too many words in that sentence John. Try this:

"I don't trust any MP who can change their allegiance at the drop of a hat".

MPs with principle I can recall in my lifetime.
Powell
Thorneycroft
Birch
Profumo
Hesseltine
Cook.
All resigned ministerial posts on points of principle.
Don't laugh about Profumo, he resigned because he lied to the house not because he was legging it over with a call girl who was legging it over with a Russian attache.

I for one am not.  He spent the rest of his life making amends. 
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Myster on June 30, 2016, 06:07:33 PM
I thought Andrea Leadsom presented well during the Brexit campaign.  She has a banking background and will understand how important financial services are to the UK economy along with maintaining the banking passport.  She obviously doesn't have TM's experience in government. I doubt she can compete with TM's impressive collection of shoes! 

As for Stephen Crabb, I struggle to take men with facial hair seriously but that might be a failing on my part! 

I'm not sure about Dr Liam Fox.  I will have to go and listen to him on some YouTube clips. 

The Tories are lucky to have two high calibre candidates in TM and AL.

My bets are on Andrea Leadsom, mainly because she's a bit better-looking than Theresa May... how shallow is that?

Seriously though, seems she has exceptional credentials...

http://www.iaindale.com/posts/2016/06/29/conservative-leadership-runners-riders-andrea-leadsom (http://www.iaindale.com/posts/2016/06/29/conservative-leadership-runners-riders-andrea-leadsom)
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alfie on June 30, 2016, 06:37:34 PM
I predict Michael Gove will withdraw from the race very shortly...
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on June 30, 2016, 07:44:14 PM
My bets are on Andrea Leadsom, mainly because she's a bit better-looking than Theresa May... how shallow is that?

Seriously though, seems she has exceptional credentials...

http://www.iaindale.com/posts/2016/06/29/conservative-leadership-runners-riders-andrea-leadsom (http://www.iaindale.com/posts/2016/06/29/conservative-leadership-runners-riders-andrea-leadsom)

I certainly don't find Leadsom attractive, or for that matter May.

When I was younger, I can remember a Theresa May in the Sun on a certain page, on a regular basis.

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Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on June 30, 2016, 07:47:29 PM
Naughty George Osbourne.


(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/03/20/00/324039E600000578-0-image-a-17_1458433376084.jpg)
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: John on June 30, 2016, 09:02:32 PM
I predict Michael Gove will withdraw from the race very shortly...

Do you think he will do a deal with Theresa?


I came across this article about Theresa May from 2012 in which she was asked if she wanted to be PM.

Theresa May on becoming an MP and why she could still be the next Maggie

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/01/article-2196901-14CAB641000005DC-281_306x550.jpg)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2196901/I-read-Hansard-bedclothes-You-read-Jackie-interested-politics-Theresa-May-MP-Maggie.html#ixzz4D5zI0NWO

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: John on June 30, 2016, 11:18:59 PM
Looks like Andrea Leadsom leads our free poll.

Andrea 58%
Theresa 23%
Michael 16%
Liam and Stephen 3%

https://twitter.com/Justice_forum/status/748493156040183811
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: mercury on July 01, 2016, 12:12:07 AM
Looks like Andrea Leadsom leads our free poll.

Andrea 58%
Theresa 23%
Michael 16%
Liam and Stephen 3%

https://twitter.com/Justice_forum/status/748493156040183811

Ive never heard of Andrea, if people vote for her  instead of Mays solid and consistent cv/performance it will just a matter of I dont like the old cow May cos she just wants to snoop on everyone

Had to laugh earlier, was reading somee newspaper cmment, "we have a fox, two cows, a crabb and a slug" to chose from

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alfie on July 01, 2016, 08:21:15 AM
Looks like Andrea Leadsom leads our free poll.

Andrea 58%
Theresa 23%
Michael 16%
Liam and Stephen 3%

https://twitter.com/Justice_forum/status/748493156040183811
As it's not down to the general public who is the next leader of the Tories this poll is kind of meaningless.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 01, 2016, 08:33:33 AM
Ive never heard of Andrea, if people vote for her  instead of Mays solid and consistent cv/performance it will just a matter of I dont like the old cow May cos she just wants to snoop on everyone

Had to laugh earlier, was reading somee newspaper cmment, "we have a fox, two cows, a crabb and a slug" to chose from

Definitely appropriate Mercury, especially for the slimy two faced Gove.

He actually believes no one can do a better job than him. %£5&% %£5&%
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 01, 2016, 10:08:33 AM
As it's not down to the general public who is the next leader of the Tories this poll is kind of meaningless.

Especially as one Boris Johnson topped it recently.

"a week is a long time in politics".  Harold Wilson in the 1960s.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 01, 2016, 11:37:32 AM
I note that Theresa May is now the favourite to win the Tory leadership election.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/30/boris-johnsons-allies-accuse-michael-gove-of-systematic-and-calc/
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Angelo222 on July 01, 2016, 11:52:30 AM
I note that Theresa May is now the favourite to win the Tory leadership election.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/30/boris-johnsons-allies-accuse-michael-gove-of-systematic-and-calc/

This is an election within the Tory Party by people who predominantly supported the remain camp.  They are not representative of the UK at large thus the Telegraph article.  Little wonder therefore that Theresa May is favourite.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Angelo222 on July 01, 2016, 12:18:48 PM
As it's not down to the general public who is the next leader of the Tories this poll is kind of meaningless.

It serves to show nicely just how out of touch the grassroots Tories are with the entire nation.  Tory party members would do well to remember this if they are ever to win the next election which by the way won't happen until 2020 according to May.  Isn't that a sweet reflection of a democracy, an entire nation led by an unelected PM for four years?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 01, 2016, 12:28:07 PM
It serves to show nicely just how out of touch the grassroots Tories are with the entire nation.  Tory party members would do well to remember this if they are ever to win the next election which by the way won't happen until 2020 according to May.  Isn't that a sweet reflection of a democracy, an entire nation led by an unelected PM for four years?


The entire nation  ?

In the last election the Cons won a Commons majority with less than 25% of the potential electorate
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alfie on July 01, 2016, 12:31:43 PM
It serves to show nicely just how out of touch the grassroots Tories are with the entire nation.  Tory party members would do well to remember this if they are ever to win the next election which by the way won't happen until 2020 according to May.  Isn't that a sweet reflection of a democracy, an entire nation led by an unelected PM for four years?
???  So who is the Tory leader of choice of the entire nation then?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 01, 2016, 01:36:03 PM
The real Boris.........................

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/01/boris-johnson-lies-no-10


What he got yesterday was truly just desserts.

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: jassi on July 01, 2016, 04:15:03 PM
It serves to show nicely just how out of touch the grassroots Tories are with the entire nation.  Tory party members would do well to remember this if they are ever to win the next election which by the way won't happen until 2020 according to May.  Isn't that a sweet reflection of a democracy, an entire nation led by an unelected PM for four years?

Not so, they are elected, but not directly by the people.
All MPs are elected to Parliament. The PM is elected to that post by party members.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: John on July 01, 2016, 07:06:30 PM
It serves to show nicely just how out of touch the grassroots Tories are with the entire nation.  Tory party members would do well to remember this if they are ever to win the next election which by the way won't happen until 2020 according to May.  Isn't that a sweet reflection of a democracy, an entire nation led by an unelected PM for four years?

I don't think they will get away with it, I foresee troublesome times ahead if Theresa May or even Michael Gove think they can be shoehorned into the most important political position in the UK without an actual mandate from the people.  I fear four years of this is unsustainable.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: mercury on July 02, 2016, 12:41:56 AM
Gove deserves NO trust
May is disliked but not untrusted
She was remain so will get the better deal

Meanwhle

The PLP are so utterly terrified of what Corbyn will say about Blair next week that, like the US in Vietnam, they are prepared to destroy the Labour Party in order to 'save' it. The EU referendum result is just a cover for a cynical coup orchestrated by a Blair-friendly PR company - some of the MPs voting no confidence in Corbyn may not even realise that they are being played by Alistair Campbell.

[Edited re typo]
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 03, 2016, 08:41:51 AM
' Hypocrite! Tory leadership hopeful and Vote Leave campaigner Andrea Leadsom previously said 'Brexit would be a disaster'

Tory leadership candidate Andrea Leadsom has been dubbed a hypocrite

Vote Leave campaigner previously said leaving EU would be a 'disaster'

However she made repeated calls for Brexit in the run up to the referendum '


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3671760/Tory-leadership-hopeful-Vote-Leave-campaigner-Andrea-Leadsom-previously-said-Brexit-disaster.html#ixzz4DKTiuiYU
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Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 03, 2016, 09:04:02 AM
Just heard her comments on the audio recording.

She can hardly say it was taken out of context.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 03, 2016, 10:14:05 AM
Not so, they are elected, but not directly by the people.
All MPs are elected to Parliament. The PM is elected to that post by party members.

My brain has just caught up with thread title......by default? like:

Anthony Eden,Harold McMillan,Alec Douglas-Hulme, James Callaghan,John Major, Gordon Brown +1 become PM through means other than a general election. Just in my lifetime so far...

It would appear to be a not uncommon occurrence so why the beef at the "plus one"  one wonders ?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: John on July 03, 2016, 05:46:13 PM
My brain has just caught up with thread title......by default? like:

Anthony Eden,Harold McMillan,Alec Douglas-Hulme, James Callaghan,John Major, Gordon Brown +1 become PM through means other than a general election. Just in my lifetime so far...

It would appear to be a not uncommon occurrence so why the beef at the "plus one"  one wonders ?

Seems the people don't want an unelected PM for the next 4 years!

https://twitter.com/LadyGodiva1066/status/749224688363171840
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 03, 2016, 06:25:55 PM
Seems the people don't want an unelected PM for the next 4 years!

https://twitter.com/LadyGodiva1066/status/749224688363171840

Well just to put it in perspective Winston Churchill was not elected in 1940 !
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: mercury on July 04, 2016, 12:45:21 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/03/britain-general-election-before-article-50

To add to the mix of the summer pudding

Some good points made

If in a political pantomime why not go all the way?

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: John on July 04, 2016, 02:36:44 PM
Tory leadership hopeful Andrea Leadsom guarantees three million EU citizens the right to remain in the UK as she hits out at rival Theresa May for using them as 'bargaining chips'

(http://i.imgur.com/vXOx0hK.jpg?1)

By Matt Dathan
Published: 4 July 2016


EU citizens already living in the UK must be guaranteed the right to stay and must not be used as 'bargaining chips in Brexit negotiations, Tory leadership hopeful Andrea Leadsom said this morning.

She hit out at the front-runner Theresa May for failing to reassure EU migrants that they will not be deported after Britain officially leaves the EU.

Mrs Leadsom, one of the stars of the Brexit campaign, vowed to keep Brexit negotiations with the EU 'as short as possible' if she wins the race to replace David Cameron as prime minister.

She promised to trigger Article 50 - the formal process for leaving the EU - as soon as she becomes prime minister, distancing herself from all four of her rivals in the leadership contest who have said Britain must take its time over Brexit negotiations.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/04/12/35EF97A000000578-3673478-image-a-1_1467631043004.jpg)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/04/12/35EFCAA000000578-3673478-image-a-9_1467631384141.jpg)

Both Mrs May and leading Brexit campaigner Michael Gove have said they would not start the process of leaving this calendar year but today Mrs Leadsom said there is a 'need to get on with it'.

Mrs Leadsom insisted not everything needs to be negotiated and completed by the end of the two-year limit for leaving the EU, which begins as soon as a country triggers Article 50.

Launching her leadership campaign - which will culminate on September 9 - Mrs Leadsom compared last month's historic vote to leave the EU to the fall of the Berlin Wall.

She predicted that having won 'our freedom back,' the vote will spread a spirit of democracy across Europe as other EU countries demand to leave too. 

As she delivered a key press conference in central London this morning, she sought to reassure uncertainty over the three million EU nationals living in the UK.

'I commit today to guaranteeing the rights of our EU friends who have already come here to live and work,' she said.

'We must give them certainty, there is no way they will be bargaining chips in our negotiations.'

It is a pointed attack on Mrs May, who yesterday said the status of EU citizens living in the UK would be part of Brexit negotiations.

Guaranteeing their right to remain in the UK risks losing a key leverage over the status of 1.2million British expats living in other EU member states, her aides said.

Read more... (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3673478/EU-citizens-UK-not-bargaining-chips-Brexit-talks-says-Tory-leadership-hopeful-Andrea-Leadsom-reassures-EU-friends-living-given-certainty.html#ixzz4DRkgqzVD)

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 04, 2016, 02:43:38 PM
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7370.msg343600#msg343600

"OK, thanks - I thought they were opponents not running partners?  What about news today regarding Leadsom's complete volte-face on the EU from 3 years ago when she was a staunch Remainer?"

Yes they are opponents but as there can only be one winner/PM I hope the loser will accept defeat graciously and they can work as a team. 

AL has done a U turn on the EU but this appears to have been after she carried out extensive research:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4bZUJ2VCx8

She seems less certain about making public her tax returns etc  &%+((£  As a former banker I would be surprised if she hasn't taken full advantage of tax avoidance schemes.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Angelo222 on July 05, 2016, 01:04:45 PM
Andrea Leadsom is the peoples choice, Tory MP's would do well to remember that if they want to stay in a job.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: stephen25000 on July 05, 2016, 01:06:05 PM
Andrea Leadsom is the peoples choice, Tory MP's would do well to remember that if they want to stay in a job.

Peoples choice ??

Which people would that be Angelo ?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 05, 2016, 01:31:09 PM
' Andrea Leadsom called for minimum wage and maternity pay to be scrapped for small business'


People working for the UK's smallest businesses would be stripped of their right to a minimum wage, maternity leave and protection from unfair dismissal, under plans previously backed by one of the favourites to become next Tory leader and prime minister.

Speaking in 2012, Andrea Leadsom told the House of Commons that she would like businesses with three employees or fewer to no longer have to comply with any employment regulations.

"I envisage there being absolutely no regulation whatsoever," she said.

"No minimum wage, no maternity or paternity rights, no unfair dismissal rights, no pension rights—for the smallest companies that are trying to get off the ground, in order to give them a chance."

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/07/05/minimum-wage-maternity-pay-scrapped-plans-andrea-leadsom

Now is she was stupid enough to try and implement that, would she be the peoples choice Angelo ?

 @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*

Perhaps she would have to get her coat.  8(0(*
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 05, 2016, 01:33:56 PM
A Doctor speaks.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmmXLmpWgAApVur.jpg

 *&*%£
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Alfie on July 05, 2016, 02:00:38 PM
Andrea Leadsom is the peoples choice, Tory MP's would do well to remember that if they want to stay in a job.
On what do you base that assertion?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 05, 2016, 02:48:47 PM
Tory leadership hopeful Andrea Leadsom guarantees three million EU citizens the right to remain in the UK as she hits out at rival Theresa May for using them as 'bargaining chips'

(http://i.imgur.com/vXOx0hK.jpg?1)

By Matt Dathan
Published: 4 July 2016

  • Andrea Leadsom hits out at front-runner Theresa May for failing to guarantee the rights of 3m EU nationals already living in the UK
  • Guarantees EU nationals will be allowed to remain following Brexit
  • But May doesn't want to lose leverage of EU citizens over status of 1.2m British expats living in other EU member states
  • Unlike rivals Leadsom vows to complete Brexit talks as soon as possible
  • UK needs to 'get on with it' and says process should begin in September

EU citizens already living in the UK must be guaranteed the right to stay and must not be used as 'bargaining chips in Brexit negotiations, Tory leadership hopeful Andrea Leadsom said this morning.

She hit out at the front-runner Theresa May for failing to reassure EU migrants that they will not be deported after Britain officially leaves the EU.

Mrs Leadsom, one of the stars of the Brexit campaign, vowed to keep Brexit negotiations with the EU 'as short as possible' if she wins the race to replace David Cameron as prime minister.

She promised to trigger Article 50 - the formal process for leaving the EU - as soon as she becomes prime minister, distancing herself from all four of her rivals in the leadership contest who have said Britain must take its time over Brexit negotiations.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/04/12/35EF97A000000578-3673478-image-a-1_1467631043004.jpg)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/04/12/35EFCAA000000578-3673478-image-a-9_1467631384141.jpg)

Both Mrs May and leading Brexit campaigner Michael Gove have said they would not start the process of leaving this calendar year but today Mrs Leadsom said there is a 'need to get on with it'.

Mrs Leadsom insisted not everything needs to be negotiated and completed by the end of the two-year limit for leaving the EU, which begins as soon as a country triggers Article 50.

Launching her leadership campaign - which will culminate on September 9 - Mrs Leadsom compared last month's historic vote to leave the EU to the fall of the Berlin Wall.

She predicted that having won 'our freedom back,' the vote will spread a spirit of democracy across Europe as other EU countries demand to leave too. 

As she delivered a key press conference in central London this morning, she sought to reassure uncertainty over the three million EU nationals living in the UK.

'I commit today to guaranteeing the rights of our EU friends who have already come here to live and work,' she said.

'We must give them certainty, there is no way they will be bargaining chips in our negotiations.'

It is a pointed attack on Mrs May, who yesterday said the status of EU citizens living in the UK would be part of Brexit negotiations.

Guaranteeing their right to remain in the UK risks losing a key leverage over the status of 1.2million British expats living in other EU member states, her aides said.

Read more... (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3673478/EU-citizens-UK-not-bargaining-chips-Brexit-talks-says-Tory-leadership-hopeful-Andrea-Leadsom-reassures-EU-friends-living-given-certainty.html#ixzz4DRkgqzVD)


Where does the 3 million figure come from? And how can she guarantee their right to remain?


OK. A quick check seems as if the 3m figure might actually be more or less factual.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/articles/populationbycountryofbirthandnationalityreport/2015-09-27

However, how can she "guarantee" anything?



In case anyone has selective memory issues... that figure doesn't take into account how many UK expats live overseas.

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alfie on July 05, 2016, 03:07:19 PM
She can make a lot of empty promises now that she will fail to deliver on if she becomes PM - that's what they all do, let's face it!
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 05, 2016, 03:13:54 PM
She can make a lot of empty promises now that she will fail to deliver on if she becomes PM - that's what they all do, let's face it!

No one can *guarantee* anything.


They don't even know where they last left their heads, let alone anything else.


Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Angelo222 on July 05, 2016, 03:21:45 PM
Peoples choice ??

Which people would that be Angelo ?

The people chose BREXIT and Andrea is the team leader now that Gove did the dirty on Boris.  I for one most deffo dont want a remainer to hold power.
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Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 05, 2016, 03:22:44 PM
Can someone explain to me in syllables of one word or less what the benefits of Brexit are?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Carana on July 05, 2016, 03:25:27 PM
The people chose BREXIT and Andrea is the team leader now that Gove did the dirty on Boris.  I for one most deffo dont want a remainer to hold power.
.

OK. Why?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: stephen25000 on July 05, 2016, 03:32:02 PM
The people chose BREXIT and Andrea is the team leader now that Gove did the dirty on Boris.  I for one most deffo dont want a remainer to hold power.
.

So you would have her, even though she said it would be a disaster if we left the EU ?  *&*%£
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 05, 2016, 03:41:39 PM
You mean like Gove ?

Or Leadsom?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 05, 2016, 03:56:49 PM
Or Leadsom?

I shudder at the thought of either of those two gaining power.


Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 05, 2016, 04:21:11 PM
Ahhhh.


I was wondering if Branson was one of those behind the legal pre-emption initiative... Still no idea if he is or not.

http://news.sky.com/story/1721938/branson-and-may-meet-as-tycoon-demands-new-poll
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alfie on July 05, 2016, 06:38:56 PM
Daniel Finkelstein re: Andrea Leadsom standing for Tory Leader, and by default PM:

"There is nobody else who will have reached Downing Street without either holding very senior office or winning their own electoral mandate as leader of the opposition.

Here are the people who, in the last century, have come to office without first winning a general election: David Lloyd George, former chancellor; Andrew Bonar Law, former chancellor; Stanley Baldwin, former chancellor; Neville Chamberlain, former chancellor; Winston Churchill, former chancellor; Anthony Eden, former foreign secretary and deputy prime minister; Harold Macmillan, former chancellor and former foreign secretary; Sir Alec Douglas-Home, former foreign secretary; Jim Callaghan, former chancellor, home secretary and foreign secretary; John Major, former foreign secretary and chancellor; Gordon Brown, chancellor for a decade.

Contrast that list with: Andrea Leadsom, junior city minister and junior energy minister.

This is the first time that a prime minister will have been chosen by a group of party members. And Conservative Party members are entitled to choose who they like as their leader. It is important to emphasise that there would be nothing remotely illegitimate about a Leadsom leadership by itself. Personally I think it would be quite an odd thing to choose a complete novice at a time like this. A bit like saying: “For your first driving lesson how about trying a jumbo jet full of people.” But David Cameron resigned, after all, and if someone can win the contest under the rules then good luck to them".
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: mercury on July 05, 2016, 07:36:47 PM
A bit of light relief

https://mobile.twitter.com/RobPulseNews/status/750378759170224129/video/1


 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 05, 2016, 08:03:31 PM
A bit of light relief

https://mobile.twitter.com/RobPulseNews/status/750378759170224129/video/1


 @)(++(*

  *&*%£

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 05, 2016, 08:20:56 PM
  *&*%£

Off the cuff remarks.

Brilliant.

The one about Gove going to war with 3 countries at a time is priceless. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*

I doubt Clarke will too unhappy that his comments have gone viral.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 05, 2016, 08:31:49 PM
http://news.sky.com/video/1721704/nation-divided-special-programme
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: mercury on July 05, 2016, 10:34:23 PM
Off the cuff remarks.

Brilliant.

The one about Gove going to war with 3 countries at a time is priceless. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*

I doubt Clarke will too unhappy that his comments have gone viral.

He may well have known, at h stage in life he probably doesnt care if hes n "politically correct"

If only more were like him
When was this country forced to thnk and speak in certain ways...oh i know, during blairs govt time, well hes going to get a good kicking from tomorrow too, cant wait
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alfie on July 05, 2016, 10:46:00 PM
There we go: if you don't give a toss about workers' rights, vote "people's choice" Leadsom!

"People working for the UK's smallest businesses would be stripped of their right to a minimum wage, maternity leave and protection from unfair dismissal, under plans previously backed by one of the favourites to become next Tory leader and prime minister.

Speaking in 2012, Andrea Leadsom told the House of Commons that she would like businesses with three employees or fewer to no longer have to comply with any employment regulations.

"I envisage there being absolutely no regulation whatsoever," she said.

"No minimum wage, no maternity or paternity rights, no unfair dismissal rights, no pension rights—for the smallest companies that are trying to get off the ground, in order to give them a chance."
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: mercury on July 05, 2016, 10:55:29 PM
There we go: if you don't give a toss about workers' rights, vote "people's choice" Leadsom!

"People working for the UK's smallest businesses would be stripped of their right to a minimum wage, maternity leave and protection from unfair dismissal, under plans previously backed by one of the favourites to become next Tory leader and prime minister.

Speaking in 2012, Andrea Leadsom told the House of Commons that she would like businesses with three employees or fewer to no longer have to comply with any employment regulations.

"I envisage there being absolutely no regulation whatsoever," she said.

"No minimum wage, no maternity or paternity rights, no unfair dismissal rights, no pension rights—for the smallest companies that are trying to get off the ground, in order to give them a chance."

If a tiny business employing up to 3 people is making zero money and cant afford all these thngs then maybe govt should cover it all, country is rich enough
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 06, 2016, 01:43:19 PM
Daniel Finkelstein re: Andrea Leadsom standing for Tory Leader, and by default PM:

"There is nobody else who will have reached Downing Street without either holding very senior office or winning their own electoral mandate as leader of the opposition.

Here are the people who, in the last century, have come to office without first winning a general election: David Lloyd George, former chancellor; Andrew Bonar Law, former chancellor; Stanley Baldwin, former chancellor; Neville Chamberlain, former chancellor; Winston Churchill, former chancellor; Anthony Eden, former foreign secretary and deputy prime minister; Harold Macmillan, former chancellor and former foreign secretary; Sir Alec Douglas-Home, former foreign secretary; Jim Callaghan, former chancellor, home secretary and foreign secretary; John Major, former foreign secretary and chancellor; Gordon Brown, chancellor for a decade.

Contrast that list with: Andrea Leadsom, junior city minister and junior energy minister.

This is the first time that a prime minister will have been chosen by a group of party members. And Conservative Party members are entitled to choose who they like as their leader. It is important to emphasise that there would be nothing remotely illegitimate about a Leadsom leadership by itself. Personally I think it would be quite an odd thing to choose a complete novice at a time like this. A bit like saying: “For your first driving lesson how about trying a jumbo jet full of people.” But David Cameron resigned, after all, and if someone can win the contest under the rules then good luck to them".

Most organisations spend time on succession planning but it appears this is not the case in Government hence we end up with the current fiasco.  Can you imagine a FTSE quoted company having all this back stabbing, gossiping and voting played out in the media over weeks on end when a change of senior management takes place.  The whole thing is barking imo.  It's not fit for the 21st century. I would like to see a new model of government run along the lines of the John Lewis partnership run by people who have experience and track records in relevant industries before running government departments.  The current model seems to be based on a lot of careerist politicians who have little or no experience outside the Westminster village.   

AL doesn't have any significant experience in government but I don't see this as being a negative.  She has a wealth of experience outside of government in senior management roles within the financial services industry and charities.  The likes of DC, GO, MG and BJ appear to have very limited experience outside of journalism, PR and the Westminster village. That said my preference for the next Tory leader and by default PM is TM (who had a career in banking before entering politics).  In the worst case scenario ie a war TM seems a safe pair of hands.  Obviously those holding high office are security checked to the highest degree but what about tested psychometrically?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Brietta on July 06, 2016, 04:52:48 PM

Does Andrea Leadsom's CV really stack up?
Leadership contender's backers are accused of exaggerating claims about her career as investment banker



By DANIEL MARTIN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT FOR THE DAILY MAIL and STEPHANIE LINNING FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 01:34, 6 July 2016 | UPDATED: 14:51, 6 July 2016

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3676271/Does-Andrea-Leadsom-s-CV-stack-Leadership-contender-s-backers-accused-making-claims-City-career-not-stand-up.html#ixzz4De009JP8
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 06, 2016, 05:48:02 PM
Does Andrea Leadsom's CV really stack up?
Leadership contender's backers are accused of exaggerating claims about her career as investment banker


  • Leadsom placed her experience in the City at the centre of her candidacy
  • Her backers say she managed hundreds of people and billions of pounds
  • But the Times reported she did not manage funds or advise clients
  • Her spokesman admitted that her City job title could be 'misleading'

By DANIEL MARTIN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT FOR THE DAILY MAIL and STEPHANIE LINNING FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 01:34, 6 July 2016 | UPDATED: 14:51, 6 July 2016

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3676271/Does-Andrea-Leadsom-s-CV-stack-Leadership-contender-s-backers-accused-making-claims-City-career-not-stand-up.html#ixzz4De009JP8

I think you could be on to something here Brietta  ?>)()<

Her wiki page states the following:

After graduating in 1987, Leadsom began a career in the financial sector as a debt trader for Barclays de Zoete Wedd, then the investment bank division of Barclays Bank.[10] For Barclays itself, she was a Director in the Financial Institutions team from 1993. In this role, she was given a "ringside seat" in the collapse of Barings Bank.[11] Leadsom clashed with Barclay Investments then head Bob Diamond, who tried to persuade her to return to full-time work soon after a pregnancy, and she left the company in 1997 as a director of its financial institutions group.[10]

Leadsom became a managing director during 1997 of her brother in law's hedge fund, De Putron Fund Management (DPFM), remaining in the post until 1999.[12] Peter de Putron is her sister's husband.[10] However, according to documents at Companies House, Leadsom was registered as the Marketing Director working for DPFM for 13 months from 1998.[13]

Leadsom was Head of Corporate Governance and a Senior Investment Officer at Invesco Perpetual from 1999 to 2009. [3][14] According to a former colleague her actual job was to work (sometimes part-time) on “special projects”, mostly for the Chief Investment Officer, which included negotiating pay terms for senior fund managers - towards the end of her time, she advised on a number of governance issues, but she had no-one reporting to her in either role. That colleague said, with regard to her false public claims to have held more senior positions in private practice, that "the problem about these claims is that they risk misleading people into believing that she has finance management skills and experience which qualify her for senior posts in government".[15] Approval for individuals to manage funds or deal with clients is needed from the financial services regulator (then the Financial Services Authority), which Leadsom held from December 2002 to February 2003.[13]


Either of the roles I've highlighted above require 'permission' from the Financial Conduct Authority formerly known as the Financial Services Authority.  As such she would appear on its register as an 'approved person' even if she has since resigned from these positions.  She doesn't appear  &%+((£

https://register.fca.org.uk/shpo_nosearchresultpage?search=Andrea+Ledsom

 
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alfie on July 06, 2016, 06:10:03 PM
"“Sterling has really not moved since the prime minister announced the starting gun for the referendum. So my best expectation, with my 30 years of financial experience, is that there will not be an economic impact.” - Andrea leadsom

Hmmm.... &%+((£
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Myster on July 06, 2016, 06:19:14 PM
I think you could be on to something here Brietta  ?>)()<

Her wiki page states the following:

After graduating in 1987, Leadsom began a career in the financial sector as a debt trader for Barclays de Zoete Wedd, then the investment bank division of Barclays Bank.[10] For Barclays itself, she was a Director in the Financial Institutions team from 1993. In this role, she was given a "ringside seat" in the collapse of Barings Bank.[11] Leadsom clashed with Barclay Investments then head Bob Diamond, who tried to persuade her to return to full-time work soon after a pregnancy, and she left the company in 1997 as a director of its financial institutions group.[10]

Leadsom became a managing director during 1997 of her brother in law's hedge fund, De Putron Fund Management (DPFM), remaining in the post until 1999.[12] Peter de Putron is her sister's husband.[10] However, according to documents at Companies House, Leadsom was registered as the Marketing Director working for DPFM for 13 months from 1998.[13]

Leadsom was Head of Corporate Governance and a Senior Investment Officer at Invesco Perpetual from 1999 to 2009. [3][14] According to a former colleague her actual job was to work (sometimes part-time) on “special projects”, mostly for the Chief Investment Officer, which included negotiating pay terms for senior fund managers - towards the end of her time, she advised on a number of governance issues, but she had no-one reporting to her in either role. That colleague said, with regard to her false public claims to have held more senior positions in private practice, that "the problem about these claims is that they risk misleading people into believing that she has finance management skills and experience which qualify her for senior posts in government".[15] Approval for individuals to manage funds or deal with clients is needed from the financial services regulator (then the Financial Services Authority), which Leadsom held from December 2002 to February 2003.[13]


Either of the roles I've highlighted above require 'permission' from the Financial Conduct Authority formerly known as the Financial Services Authority.  As such she would appear on its register as an 'approved person' even if she has since resigned from these positions.  She doesn't appear  &%+((£

https://register.fca.org.uk/shpo_nosearchresultpage?search=Andrea+Ledsom (https://register.fca.org.uk/shpo_nosearchresultpage?search=Andrea+Ledsom)

Oh Dear!... I've gone off her already.  8(8-))    http://uk.businessinsider.com/andrea-leadsoms-cv-2016-7 (http://uk.businessinsider.com/andrea-leadsoms-cv-2016-7)
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: misty on July 06, 2016, 08:21:14 PM
https://register.fca.org.uk/ShPo_IndividualDetailsPage?id=003b000000KTEIHAA5

Ms Andrea Jacqueline Salmon. Registered in her maiden name.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Davel on July 06, 2016, 10:55:10 PM
Great speech by Corbyn re Blair
I really admire him for it
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: mercury on July 06, 2016, 11:38:46 PM
"“Sterling has really not moved since the prime minister announced the starting gun for the referendum. So my best expectation, with my 30 years of financial experience, is that there will not be an economic impact.” - Andrea leadsom

Hmmm.... &%+((£
Shes right

No one is going to let the uk crumble, time to get real

If the queens not bothered,all is well
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 07, 2016, 07:43:35 AM
https://register.fca.org.uk/ShPo_IndividualDetailsPage?id=003b000000KTEIHAA5

Ms Andrea Jacqueline Salmon. Registered in her maiden name.

Thanks for demystifying that misty.

The register came into being in 2001.  AL married her current husband, Ben Leadsom, in 1993.  I'm not sure why she would want to use her maiden name but I guess some do eg Cherie Booth QC (Blair).
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 07, 2016, 08:07:24 AM
Oh Dear!... I've gone off her already.  8(8-))    http://uk.businessinsider.com/andrea-leadsoms-cv-2016-7 (http://uk.businessinsider.com/andrea-leadsoms-cv-2016-7)

I hadn't heard of her  until the Brexit campaign where I might have expected to if she played a significant role in managing investment funds at Invesco Perpetual.  Neil Woodford was IP's star performer with the flagship High Income fund:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Woodford

Anyway she is an advocate for something I have banged on about on the Bamber board - attachment theory! 

http://andrealeadsom.com/downloads/oxford-parent-infant-project-oxpip.pdf

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/andrea-leadsom-right-talk-babies-tory-leadership

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 07, 2016, 02:10:58 PM
Andrea Leadsom does not have claimed experience as an investment banker despite suggestions that she managed billions of pounds, it has been alleged.

An investigation by The Times newspaper says that during her time at Invesco Perpetual, Ms Leadsom was only approved by the financial services regulator for three months.

This approval is required for any roles dealing with funds or clients.

Andrea Leadsom named 'worst Treasury minister ever'

One of her supporters, Tory MP Bernard Jenkin, has said she was responsible at one point for “for managing hundreds of people and billions of pounds”.

In the House of Commons she has also spoken of “managing the investment banks team at Barclays”.

But a former colleague, Robert Stephens, told the website Reaction that “she did not manage any teams, large or small, and she certainly did not manage any funds”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/andrea-leadsom-accused-of-misleading-claims-on-her-cv-a7122296.html


Confirmed on TV a few minutes ago in an interview with her, she did not manage any funds or conduct financial transactions.

Mmm. 8(>((

However, she did manage people. 8(*(
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 07, 2016, 03:01:00 PM
I would not be surprised to see Andrea Leadsom withdraw from the race.  In fact I wouldn't be surprised to see her drop out of politics altogether. 

I have now had a detailed look at AL's entry on the FCA register:

https://register.fca.org.uk/ShPo_IndividualDetailsPage?id=003b000000KTEIHAA5   (need to click on 'history').

She appears for 3 months only from 01/12/2001 - 28/02/2002 (as reported in the press) and was authorised for controlled function CF 27 Investment Manager.

The following is the entry from the FCA's handbook showing various controlled functions:

https://www.handbook.fca.org.uk/handbook/SIFA/7/2.html?date=2006-07-06

If AL held the positions she claims she did I can confirm her record on the register would confirm this both in terms of the actual roles and dates.  It doesn't.

I worked in financial services from 1990 to 2013.  The register didn't come into being until 2001. All my roles were controlled functions and the register details them along with the relevant dates during 2001 to 2013.  AL claims she was head of corporate governance at Invesco Perpetual from 1999 to 2009.  This role carries a huge amount of responsibility.  She would effectively be responsible for oversight on circa £85 billion of assets held under management.  The controlled function for corporate governance is CF 8 - 12:

https://www.handbook.fca.org.uk/handbook/SIFA/7/2.html?date=2006-07-06

I really can't see any explanation for this other than she has been very economical with the truth!
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 07, 2016, 03:05:14 PM
I would not be surprised to see Andrea Leadsom withdraw from the race.  In fact I wouldn't be surprised to see her drop out of politics altogether. 

I have now had a detailed look at AL's entry on the FCA register:

https://register.fca.org.uk/ShPo_IndividualDetailsPage?id=003b000000KTEIHAA5   (need to click on 'history').

She appears for 3 months only from 01/12/2001 - 28/02/2002 (as reported in the press) and was authorised for controlled function CF 27 Investment Manager.

The following is the entry from the FCA's handbook showing various controlled functions:

https://www.handbook.fca.org.uk/handbook/SIFA/7/2.html?date=2006-07-06

If AL held the positions she claims she did I can confirm her record on the register would confirm this both in terms of the actual roles and dates.  It doesn't.

I worked in financial services from 1990 to 2013.  The register didn't come into being until 2001. All my roles were controlled functions and the register details them along with the relevant dates during 2001 to 2013.  AL claims she was head of corporate governance at Invesco Perpetual from 1999 to 2009.  This role carries a huge amount of responsibility.  She would effectively be responsible for oversight on circa £85 billion of assets held under management.  The controlled function for corporate governance is CF 8 - 12:

https://www.handbook.fca.org.uk/handbook/SIFA/7/2.html?date=2006-07-06

I really can't see any explanation for this other than she has been very economical with the truth!

Indeed Holly, if she has any honour she will withdraw.

I deleted a post about her yesterday saying what I thought of her.

Now it appears I was right. She is a B.S. artist.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 07, 2016, 03:11:05 PM
Indeed Holly, if she has any honour she will withdraw.

I deleted a post about her yesterday saying what I thought of her.

Now it appears I was right. She is a B.S. artist.

It certainly looks that way  8(8-))

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 07, 2016, 04:22:07 PM
To enable everyone to see what the register looks for a bona fide participant I've posted the link for Fred Goodwin (former CEO of RBS)  8)--))

https://register.fca.org.uk/ShPo_IndividualDetailsPage?id=003b000000LUT0WAAX

Click on 'history' near the bottom.

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Davel on July 07, 2016, 04:28:37 PM
shame we haven't got a politician of the quality of Mr Juncker EU President......one of the reasons we need to get out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPgiI46FCDU
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 07, 2016, 04:30:06 PM
Andrea Leadsom defeats Michael Gove:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 07, 2016, 04:41:52 PM
shame we haven't got a politician of the quality of Mr Juncker EU President......one of the reasons we need to get out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPgiI46FCDU

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 07, 2016, 05:42:40 PM
If you look at her CV and her official record at the FSA / FCA I think you would be safe enough to conclude that she is a chancer.

So - of the brexit leaders - we have:

Farage - quit. 

Johnson - did it to further his political ambitions.  Now quit.

Gove - stabbed his mate in the back, and now eliminated.

Leadsom - claiming all sorts of managerial and financial expertise that she simply didn't have.

Who else......

Jesus - what a mess.   



Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alfie on July 07, 2016, 05:50:06 PM
Seeing as how the Brexiteers philosophy is "drive it off a cliff and everything will be fine" then Andrea Leadsom seems like the perfect driver going forward (and downwards).
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 07, 2016, 06:16:36 PM
Theresa May v Andrea Leadsom to be next prime minister
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36737426
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 07, 2016, 07:19:44 PM
Just watched her being interviewed on  C4 News.

The interviewer pulled her claims apart, as did an ex-collegue.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 07, 2016, 07:26:00 PM
Come off it, Dave.  Is she really going to take legal action against everyone who thinks she has been economical with the truth?  8(0(*

If you look at her CV and her official record at the FSA / FCA I think you would be safe enough to conclude that she is a chancer.

So - of the brexit leaders - we have:

Farage - quit. 

Johnson - did it to further his political ambitions.  Now quit.

Gove - stabbed his mate in the back, and now eliminated.

Leadsom - claiming all sorts of managerial and financial expertise that she simply didn't have.

Who else......

Jesus - what a mess.   


You've got it in one J.P.

A total MESS.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 07, 2016, 08:16:45 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/07/the-perfect-champion-for-the-new-nasty-party-andrea-leadsom

The excitement was almost excitement. On the morning of the second round of the Conservative leadership election, Andrea Leadsom was to make a “Major” speech on the economy. We knew this because the invitation said so. Major with a capital M. Andrea was going to use all the expertise she had picked up working on the switchboard at the Aylesbury branch of Barclays to set out the economic future for post-Brexit Britain so we could all sleep easy once more.

Outside a small lecture hall in Westminster, supporters were handing out free T-shirts with #rally4leadsom printed across the front. Some people even took one. They’d be useful as dusters, if nothing else. Once Owen Paterson, Iain Duncan Smith and Theresa Villiers – with friends like these ... – had been shoehorned into the front row, Penny Mordaunt stood up to introduce Britain’s economic saviour. “Some people say that Andrea has come from nowhere,” she declared. “But you can only come from nowhere if you’re ready.” Gnomic doesn’t begin to cover it.

“I’m an optimist,” Andrea began, fixing her face into an inane smile. “I want a country in which everyone who aims high can achieve their dreams.” It was certainly working for her. From Chance the Gardener to within striking distance of becoming prime minister. Not for the first time in the past few weeks, fiction was rewriting itself as fact.

After every sentence, Andrea lapsed into yet another inane smile. Her advisers appear to have mistakenly informed her that smiling inanely is a sign of confidence and gravitas. Next, she said she wanted to banish pessimists. She didn’t say where. France, probably. “The forecasts for the economy have all been wrong,” she added, turning a chart showing the plunging value of the pound upside down. Before smiling inanely again. It was like a primary school prize-giving speech from someone who had been drafted in at the last minute after the first 12 choices had made themselves unavailable.

And that was that. In just under 12 minutes, the Major speech on the economy had been delivered. A speech so Majorly subtle it had appeared to be entirely content- and intelligence-free. Andrea beetled off without taking any questions – “I’d love to, but I’ve got a bit of work to do on my CV” – to take her place alongside Theresa Villiers at the head of a 200-yard march on parliament with her supporters.

“MPs at the front,” yelled Tim Loughton. Clearly, the news that Leadsom was meant to represent the unheard, anti-establishment voice of Britain hadn’t filtered down to him. “What do we want? Andrea Leadsom,” shouted a couple of hundred activists. When do we want her? Sometime before September. Villiers looked as if she would rather be somewhere else. Anywhere.


With her incompetence on the economy safely in the bag, Leadsom took to the airwaves to prove her woman-of-the-people credentials. Yes, she had met a few gay people, and some of them had been OK if you like that kind of thing, which she didn’t really, but what you had to remember was that marriage was strictly for Christians only and if God had wanted gays to get married he wouldn’t have made them gay. Foxes? She’d never seen one she hadn’t wanted to tear apart. Capital punishment? Don’t get me started. The Nasty party, the party for the grassroot, Ukip wing of the Conservatives, had just reformed.

Over in the committee corridor where the second round of voting was taking place, there were tellers for Leadsom and Theresa May, but none for Michael Gove. Either Mikey had taken out his remaining supporters in yet another act of homicidal fury or they knew the game was up. The answer turned out to be both. When Graham Brady, chairman of the 1922 Committee, announced the result shortly after 4pm, Mikey had secured two fewer votes than he had when there were five candidates. Poetic justice for the justice secretary.

It would be Andrea who would go head to head with May when the ballot was extended to Conservative party members. “It’s the establishment versus the common man,” said one Andrea supporter, before hastily correcting himself. “I meant common woman. The Tory party can now unite, because both candidates are women.” Women: they’re basically all the same. As the Conservative party took another lurch back another few decades, IDS purred unhealthily: “Andrea has the velvet glove of compassion.” TMI.

Andrea practised her inane smile. Perfection. So inane that she failed to realise she was in danger of turning the Conservatives into a mirror image of Labour. A party in which the majority of MPs think its leader is useless.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 08, 2016, 12:08:36 AM
Interesting that in 2016 the media appears fascinated by the fact that two women are vying to become the next PM.

Would such attention have been drawn to the sex of the contenders if it had concerned two men?

Answers on a postcard...
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: mercury on July 08, 2016, 12:17:29 AM
Interesting that in 2016 the media appears fascinated by the fact that two women are vying to become the next PM.

Would such attention have been drawn to the sex of the contenders if it had concerned two men?

Answers on a postcard...

As long as its just a comment about the unusual nature, cough, its fine, any of us would mention it, if any obsess about it like they did with obama then it becomes pathetic
And besides I dont  see any difference between a female reachng minsterial level and then being  chosen as the best minister, its a no brainer, it is a meritocracy after all
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 08, 2016, 04:53:48 PM
I listened to various tv progs yesterday eve where AL was interviewed and the subject under discussion. 

In an interview aired by Channel 4 she claims she was responsible for compliance at Invesco Perpetual.  This is completely untrue.  If she had any involvement with compliance whatsoever this would appear on the FCA register and it doesn't.  I doubt she has any chance of beating TM but it's scary that she is even seen as a possible contender for PM. 

Before the Brexit debates I hadn't even heard of her but I thought she presented well.  The interviews I listened to yesterday were a complete contrast.  She sounded like middle management from a sales or marketing dept beating the drum about how she wants to banish pessimists!  Yeah lets all jump up and down on our beds and chant:  Little Britian is great   8(*( 8(*( 8(*( 8(*( 8(*( 8(*( 8(*( 8(*( 8(*( 8(*(
She was then asked about her views on gay marriage and fox hunting.  Surely the country has far more pressing matters than gay marriage and fox hunting? 

Am I turning into a grumpy old woman or what?  8)><(



Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 08, 2016, 05:11:09 PM
I listened to various tv progs yesterday eve where AL was interviewed and the subject under discussion. 

In an interview aired by Channel 4 she claims she was responsible for compliance at Invesco Perpetual.  This is completely untrue.  If she had any involvement with compliance whatsoever this would appear on the FCA register and it doesn't.  I doubt she has any chance of beating TM but it's scary that she is even seen as a possible contender for PM. 

Before the Brexit debates I hadn't even heard of her but I thought she presented well.  The interviews I listened to yesterday were a complete contrast.  She sounded like middle management from a sales or marketing dept beating the drum about how she wants to banish pessimists!  Yeah lets all jump up and down on our beds and chant:  Little Britian is great   8(*( 8(*( 8(*( 8(*( 8(*( 8(*( 8(*( 8(*( 8(*( 8(*(
She was then asked about her views on gay marriage and fox hunting.  Surely the country has far more pressing matters than gay marriage and fox hunting? 

Am I turning into a grumpy old woman or what?  8)><(

Excellent post Holly.


I watched the same interview and she faltered several times.

I suspect she will be exposed for what she is, over the next few weeks.

I note the 'Sun' has backed T. M.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 08, 2016, 05:34:09 PM
Excellent post Holly.


I watched the same interview and she faltered several times.

I suspect she will be exposed for what she is, over the next few weeks.

I note the 'Sun' has backed T. M.

Thank you Stephen. 

The Daily Mirror is comparing AL with Mrs T.  Now I'm no fan of Mrs T but I doubt there's any comparison whatsover between AL and Mrs T intellectually.  Mrs T was a research chemist and barrister.  AL has a very questionable past in financial services!  It seems to me AL's roles were administrative at middle management level. 

I just can't see how on earth AL has got where she has.  Perhaps I'm naive and those that were seen marching alongside her yesterday will be pulling her strings.  Maybe that's how it works?   &%+((£
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 08, 2016, 05:41:02 PM
Thank you Stephen. 

The Daily Mirror is comparing AL with Mrs T.  Now I'm no fan of Mrs T but I doubt there's any comparison whatsover between AL and Mrs T intellectually.  Mrs T was a research chemist and barrister.  AL has a very questionable past in financial services!  It seems to me AL's roles were administrative at middle management level. 

I just can't see how on earth AL has got where she has.  Perhaps I'm naive and those that were seen marching alongside her yesterday will be pulling her strings.  Maybe that's how it works?   &%+((£


The trouble is when you start B.S.'ing on a CV , you will get caught out.


I wonder what else she was being economical with the actualite with ?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alfie on July 08, 2016, 06:48:25 PM
Contrary to Angelo's claim that Leadsom is the People's choice, it seems she is the choice of less than 30% of the populace according to this Sky poll

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-poll-public-wants-theresa-may-as-pm-10495349?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 08, 2016, 07:20:18 PM
Contrary to Angelo's claim that Leadsom is the People's choice, it seems she is the choice of less than 30% of the populace according to this Sky poll

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-poll-public-wants-theresa-may-as-pm-10495349?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

What a shame. 8)><( 8)><(
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 08, 2016, 07:36:08 PM
Thank you Stephen. 

The Daily Mirror is comparing AL with Mrs T.  Now I'm no fan of Mrs T but I doubt there's any comparison whatsover between AL and Mrs T intellectually.  Mrs T was a research chemist and barrister.  AL has a very questionable past in financial services!  It seems to me AL's roles were administrative at middle management level. 

I just can't see how on earth AL has got where she has.  Perhaps I'm naive and those that were seen marching alongside her yesterday will be pulling her strings.  Maybe that's how it works?   &%+((£

Here's some more, and not hard to find.


http://www.desmog.uk/2015/05/25/mysterious-tory-donor-linked-energy-minister-andrea-leadsom-s-rise-power

'The Energy Minister, Her Brother-in-Law, His Hedge Fund and the Oil Investments.'

he rise of Andrea Leadsom to energy minister has correlated with generous donations to the Conservative party by Peter de Putron, a mysterious hedge fund guru – and her brother-in-law.

Leadsom was appointed energy and climate change minister in the wake of the Conservatives’ shock victory at the general election. She replaced Amber Rudd – who has been promoted to secretary of state.

De Putron, her brother-in-law and former employer, has donated £816,000 to the Conservative party since she first became an MP in the 2010 election. He has also provided funds for her local constituency party and further cash to pay for the staff in her office.

Leadsom’s rise to the top has been steady. She was the managing director of De Putron Fund Management in the 1990s, according to Who’s Who.

Oil and Gas Interests

She was, more recently, head of corporate governance and senior investment officer at Invesco Perpetual, one of Britain’s largest retail fund managers.

Invesco holds £3m of investments in Amerisur Resources, an oil and gas producer, and a further £2.8m of investments in Hunting, which supplies the oil industry, among other fossil fuel interests. Leadsom was not involved in the investment decisions of the company.

Leadsom was then elected as Conservative MP for South Northamptonshire in May 2010. That same year, De Putron, who is married to her sister, Hayley, donated £200,000 to the Tories.

The following year, he donated a further £66,600, then £155,500 in 2012, before increasing his largess to £204,760 the year after. He paid a further £300,000 to the Conservatives’ backed “no to voting reform” campaign, and £680,000 to the Cameron-friendly think tank Open Europe.

Labyrinthine Corporation

The money was paid through the UK-registered Gloucester Research Limited, which underwent several name changes before becoming GR Software and Research Limited. Ben Leadsom - Andrea’s husband - was a director of the company but has since resigned.

De Putron, who has registered an address of Avenue Du Manoir Ville Au Roi in Guernsey, earns his keep through a rather labyrinthine off-shore company structure, which has made it impossible to ascertain who his clients are, and whether they are investing in the energy sector.

The minister’s brother-in-law was founder of London-registered De Putron Fund Management LLP. According to Bloomberg Business, the company was known from 2010 as Bell Rock Capital Management LLP. The company has been described by the Financial Times as “secretive”.

The highest paid member of the Bell Rock partnership received £2,114,950 in 2013, while Guernsey-registered De Putron Fund Management Limited received £774,837 in fees and almost £30,000 in recharged expenses during the same year.

No Public Profile

To complicate matters further, Bell Rock received its entire turnover for the year from Airain Limited, which is based in St Peter Port, Guernsey. This company appears to have no public profile.

Airain Limited was described as “a multi-jurisdictional enterprise using innovative technology to trade financial securities” during a recent employment tribunal.

Moreover, it emerged that Airain has recruited staff at national bridge tournaments, and employees are “required to observe stringent security and privacy protocols” because of the “valuable ‘intellectual property’ of the software employed”.

A website called Whale Wisdom provides information used to track hedge funds and asset managers taken from 13F forms - a list of holdings filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission in the United States.

According to this site, a company called Airain Limited based in St Peter Port held stocks in oil and gas related companies including ExxonMobil, World Fuel Services, and National Oilwell Varco. Indeed, it appears that about 13 percent of their declared holdings were in energy stocks. They also declare holdings in Altria - which owns tobacco giaint Philip Morris USA. 

Carolynne Hayley de Putron, known as Hayley, is Andrea’s sister and De Putron’s wife. She is a trustee of the Ana Leaf Foundation and founder of the De Putron Challenge for schoolchildren.

Client Leak

The Guardian reported that the family relationships became apparent to its reporters after a leak of client information from a discreet Jersey off-shore private bank. The data was obtained by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and shared with the newspaper.

A Conservative Party spokesman told DeSmog UK on Friday: “All donations to Ms Leadsom's office and to the Conservative Party are properly and transparently declared to the Electoral Commission, published by them, and fully comply with Electoral Commission rules. Any suggestion of impropriety by Ms Leadsom or the party is malicious and defamatory and will be treated as such.”

@brendanmontague


Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 08, 2016, 08:05:59 PM
That's interesting, Stephen.

The Daily Mail doesn't appear to back her (for what that's worth).




Can we REALLY trust her? A CV that's falling apart. Murky tax affairs. Yes, she's a talent - but is Mrs Leadsom fit for No. 10?

    Questions have been asked about Andrea Leadsom's banking career and CV
    She gained support of 66 Tory MPs in the battle to become leader of the party
    She is now in second place in the race, behind Home Secretary Theresa May
    But questions about background threaten to derail Prime Ministerial ambition

By Guy Adams for the Daily Mail

Published: 23:52 GMT, 6 July 2016 | Updated: 10:08 GMT, 7 July 2016

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3678061/Yes-s-talent-Mrs-Leadsom-fit-No-10.html#ixzz4DqT6DiGg
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3678061/Yes-s-talent-Mrs-Leadsom-fit-No-10.html

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 08, 2016, 10:03:11 PM
That's interesting, Stephen.

The Daily Mail doesn't appear to back her (for what that's worth).




Can we REALLY trust her? A CV that's falling apart. Murky tax affairs. Yes, she's a talent - but is Mrs Leadsom fit for No. 10?

    Questions have been asked about Andrea Leadsom's banking career and CV
    She gained support of 66 Tory MPs in the battle to become leader of the party
    She is now in second place in the race, behind Home Secretary Theresa May
    But questions about background threaten to derail Prime Ministerial ambition

By Guy Adams for the Daily Mail

Published: 23:52 GMT, 6 July 2016 | Updated: 10:08 GMT, 7 July 2016

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3678061/Yes-s-talent-Mrs-Leadsom-fit-No-10.html#ixzz4DqT6DiGg
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3678061/Yes-s-talent-Mrs-Leadsom-fit-No-10.html

I've found more Carana on her previous financial experience as well as her brother-in-law.


I will post that tomorrow.

Private Eye, the online edition is running a piece about her.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: misty on July 08, 2016, 10:24:10 PM
AL is now apparently playing the "I'm a mother but Teresa's not" card in an article being published in tomorrow's Times.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 08, 2016, 10:32:32 PM
AL is now apparently playing the "I'm a mother but Teresa's not" card in an article being published in tomorrow's Times.

That is appalling, but not surprising Misty.

Perhaps a sign also that she knows she will lose.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 08, 2016, 10:39:12 PM
That is appalling, but not surprising Misty.

Perhaps a sign also that she knows she will lose.

She did the same thing to Ruth Davidson during the "great debate" - a bit desperate in my view.

She makes great play of her extensive financial services experience.  But I have been unable to find any evidence of any relevant qualifications at all.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alfie on July 08, 2016, 11:06:06 PM
Oh well, Andrea can rest easy tonight knowing that she's secured Nick Griffin's backing...  8((()*/
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: mercury on July 09, 2016, 12:10:50 AM
Theresa May will be the new PM, start getting used to it, and feel free to research her for slagging off  or congratulatory purposes

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 09, 2016, 07:53:28 AM
From the comments section of the Mail on Leadsom's latest gaff.

'The Times has released the transcript - it's a Vodaphone recording available on Twitter and on The Guardian. Please, don't try to tell me that both these papers have the same vested interest in running a smearing campaign! She says she doesn't want to make it a central issue and then does exactly that.

 Question: During the debates you repeatedly said as a mum. Do you feel like a mum in politics?
Answer: Yes I am sure. Theresa will be really sad she doesn't have children so I don't want this to be an issue because I think that would be really horrible but genuinely I feel that being a mum means you have a very real stake in the future of our country, a tangible stake. She possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people but I have children who are going to have children who will directly be a part of what happens next. '

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3681695/Fury-Tory-hopeful-Andrea-Leadsom-says-mother-gives-edge-Theresa-just-days-Home-Secretary-speaks-sadness-never-having-children.html#ixzz4DtLv0ApP
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 09, 2016, 07:58:06 AM
Reaffirmed in the Guardian.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/08/andrea-leadsom-suggests-she-would-make-better-pm-as-she-has-children

Leadsom has issued a denial.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on July 09, 2016, 09:01:15 AM
May is the more experienced candidate and therefore less likely to make gaffes with the media. . A majority of the Conservative Party members voted 'Leave', apparently so will they press May to deliver if they vote her in?
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/97b44f88-4509-11e6-9b66-0712b3873ae1.html#axzz4Dt9mMKAn

Whoever wins it's not going to be an easy balancing act. Business donaters to the Party probably want Remain, as do the PLP. The UK voted for Leave, as did the party membership allegedly.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 09, 2016, 09:26:51 AM
 @)(++(*

“I am an optimist,” Andrea began. Indeed, her CV lists her as a former Director of Optimism Compliance at the Bank of Unicorns for All.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/09/andrea-leadsom-tory-leadership-am-dram-peasant-revolt
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 09, 2016, 09:29:48 AM
Oh well, Andrea can rest easy tonight knowing that she's secured Nick Griffin's backing...  8((()*/

Nigel Farage, Nick Griffin and... Katie Hopkins.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 09, 2016, 09:29:54 AM
@)(++(*

“I am an optimist,” Andrea began. Indeed, her CV lists her as a former Director of Optimism Compliance at the Bank of Unicorns for All.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/09/andrea-leadsom-tory-leadership-am-dram-peasant-revolt

I saw that one too Carana. %£5&% %£5&%
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 09, 2016, 09:31:07 AM
Nigel Farage, Nick Griffin and... Katie Hopkins.

The kiss of death.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 09, 2016, 09:34:15 AM
"Other points of intrigue? Andrea’s the passionate advocate of attachment theory who wants to abolish maternity rights. If you’re one of those people who imagines that the latter two positions are in some way contradictory, you are strongly urged to let go of your rational brain..."

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 09, 2016, 10:45:09 AM
What Mrs Leadsom said:

Rachel Sylvester: "Do you feel like a mum in politics?"

Andrea Leadsom: "Yes. So...

RS: "Why and how?"

AL: "So really carefully because I am sure, I don't really know Theresa very well but I am sure she will be really really sad she doesn't have children so I don't want this to be 'Andrea has children, Theresa hasn't' because I think that would be really horrible.

"But genuinely I feel being a mum means you have a very real stake in the future of our country, a tangible stake.

"She possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people, but I have children, who are going to have children, who will directly be a part of what happens next.

"So it really keeps you focused on 'what are you really saying?'. Because what it means is you don't want a downturn but 'never mind, let's look ahead to the ten years', hence it will all be fine. My children will be starting their lives in that next ten years so I have a real stake in the next year, the next two."
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 09, 2016, 10:47:58 AM

I don't want this to be 'Andrea has children, Theresa hasn't' because I think that would be really horrible.

But,  ha ha, ha ha ha I've got kids & she hasn't.

In a nutshell.


Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 09, 2016, 10:55:04 AM
What Mrs Leadsom said:

Rachel Sylvester: "Do you feel like a mum in politics?"

Andrea Leadsom: "Yes. So...

RS: "Why and how?"

AL: "So really carefully because I am sure, I don't really know Theresa very well but I am sure she will be really really sad she doesn't have children so I don't want this to be 'Andrea has children, Theresa hasn't' because I think that would be really horrible.

"But genuinely I feel being a mum means you have a very real stake in the future of our country, a tangible stake.

"She possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people, but I have children, who are going to have children, who will directly be a part of what happens next.

"So it really keeps you focused on 'what are you really saying?'. Because what it means is you don't want a downturn but 'never mind, let's look ahead to the ten years', hence it will all be fine. My children will be starting their lives in that next ten years so I have a real stake in the next year, the next two."

A.L. needs to be very careful after this.

Widespread condemnation of her own words, which weren't twisted, merely reported factually.

I daresay, more digging into her background will take place as she continues to alienate even more people.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 09, 2016, 10:58:48 AM
I don't want this to be 'Andrea has children, Theresa hasn't' because I think that would be really horrible.

But,  ha ha, ha ha ha I've got kids & she hasn't.

In a nutshell.

The comments she made would seem reflect the mindset of A.L. and her supporters.

She clearly has no policies of her own, as her mini speech revealed the other day.

Just that repeated 'inane smile' which is increasingly hideous.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 09, 2016, 11:02:44 AM
What Mrs Leadsom said:

Rachel Sylvester: "Do you feel like a mum in politics?"

Andrea Leadsom: "Yes. So...

RS: "Why and how?"

AL: "So really carefully because I am sure, I don't really know Theresa very well but I am sure she will be really really sad she doesn't have children so I don't want this to be 'Andrea has children, Theresa hasn't' because I think that would be really horrible.

"But genuinely I feel being a mum means you have a very real stake in the future of our country, a tangible stake.

"She possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people, but I have children, who are going to have children, who will directly be a part of what happens next.

"So it really keeps you focused on 'what are you really saying?'. Because what it means is you don't want a downturn but 'never mind, let's look ahead to the ten years', hence it will all be fine. My children will be starting their lives in that next ten years so I have a real stake in the next year, the next two."

What is she saying?

If you don't have children, then you have less of a vested interest in the future of your country?

She talks of opportunities... but is, e.g., the Erasmus programme not one of them for her children?

The next two years will be taken up with negotiating the withdrawal.

As PM, she'd also have to deal with everything else that a PM has to muddle their way through, including foreign policy...
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Angelo222 on July 09, 2016, 11:06:23 AM
The comments she made would seem reflect the mindset of A.L. and her supporters.

She clearly has no policies of her own, as her mini speech revealed the other day.

Just that repeated 'inane smile' which is increasingly hideous.

Do you mean like the forced smile we always get from May?   Leadsom has the people behind her and that's what counts in the final round.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 09, 2016, 11:07:12 AM
Do you mean like the forced smile we always get from May?

Always Angelo ???
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 09, 2016, 11:29:19 AM
A.L. needs to be very careful after this.

Widespread condemnation of her own words, which weren't twisted, merely reported factually.

I daresay, more digging into her background will take place as she continues to alienate even more people.

To be fair, I'm not convinced that she meant it in a nasty (personal) way... but whether it was spontaneous or she was advised to emphasise this supposed added "USP", it seems to have gone down like a lead balloon.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 09, 2016, 11:32:58 AM
To be fair, I'm not convinced that she meant it in a nasty (personal) way... but whether it was spontaneous or she was advised to emphasise this supposed added "USP", it seems to have gone down like a lead balloon.

I would say she has a tendency to open her mouth and say the first thing that comes into her head.

Rather like her C.V., it is full of hot air.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Angelo222 on July 09, 2016, 11:39:06 AM
As a closet remainer Theresa May hasn't a hope in hell of finding a majority among the members.  Looks like Leadsom for Prime Minister for the next four years.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 09, 2016, 11:45:10 AM
As a closet remainer Theresa May hasn't a hope in hell of finding a majority among the members.  Looks like Leadsom for Prime Minister for the next four years.

We shall see.

So on that basis, she would be a female version of Corbyn. %&5%£ %&5%£
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 09, 2016, 11:54:48 AM
As a closet remainer Theresa May hasn't a hope in hell of finding a majority among the members.  Looks like Leadsom for Prime Minister for the next four years.

Why not?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Angelo222 on July 09, 2016, 11:58:18 AM
Why not?

The members of the Conservative Party want a candidate who represents their views and not someone with very close links to Cameron and a hidden agenda.  And especially not a fence sitter who was too afraid to speak out pre referendum.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 09, 2016, 12:10:27 PM
The members of the Conservative Party want a candidate who represents their views and not someone with very close links to Cameron and a hidden agenda.  And especially not a fence sitter who was too afraid to speak out pre referendum.

She is a B.S. artist IMO , and clearly made up her experience and responsibilities in the financial sector.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 09, 2016, 12:13:42 PM
The members of the Conservative Party want a candidate who represents their views and not someone with very close links to Cameron and a hidden agenda.  And especially not a fence sitter who was too afraid to speak out pre referendum.


Someone who represents whose views?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Angelo222 on July 09, 2016, 03:02:05 PM

Someone who represents whose views?

As stated, the views of the Tory membership who have already revealed a 60% preference to Brexit.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Angelo222 on July 09, 2016, 03:20:53 PM
Leadsom might be short in experience but at least she isn't an abject failure like May!

Reproduced in full below is a Daily Telegraph article by Jonathan Foreman which was pulled after pressure from Theresa May’s leadership campaign.


Theresa May Is A Great Self-Promoter, But A Terrible Home Secretary

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/06/30/SMILEe2ab1074-1baf-428d-bed2-1fcf59de04ae-large_trans++h0FRgkbgcmuJfCevWxaapQHpR1-WKGh2-N_FWbS1o9I.jpg)

In the run-up to the 2015 election, one of the handicaps David Cameron had to finesse was the fact that net migration to the UK was three times as high as he had promised it would be. Remarkably, none of the opprobrium this failure provoked brought forth the name of Theresa May, the cabinet minister actually entrusted with bringing migration down. Then, as now, it was as if the icy Home Secretary had a dark magic that warded off all critical scrutiny.

The fact that her lead role in this fiasco went unnoticed and unmentioned likely reflects Mrs May’s brilliant, all-consuming efforts to burnish her image with a view to become prime minister.

After all, Mrs May’s tenure as Home Secretary has been little better than disastrous – a succession of derelictions that has left Britain’s borders and coastline at least as insecure as they were in 2010, and which mean that British governments still rely on guesswork to estimate how many people enter and leave the country.

People find this hard to credit because she exudes determination and strength. Compared to many of her bland, flabby cabinet colleagues, she has real gravitas. And few who follow British politics would deny that she is a deadly political infighter. Indeed Theresa May is to Westminster what Cersei Lannister is to Westeros in Game of Thrones: no one who challenges her survives undamaged, while the welfare of the realm is of secondary concern.

Take the demoralised, underfunded UK Border Force. As the public discovered after a people-smugglers’ vessel ran aground in May, it has has only three cutters protecting 7,700 miles of coastline. Italy by contrast has 600 boats patrolling its 4722 miles.

Considering the impression Mrs May gives of being serious about security, it’s all the more astonishing that she has also allowed the UK’s small airfields to go unpatrolled – despite the vastly increased terrorist threat of the last few years, the onset of the migration crisis, and the emergence of smuggling networks that traffic people, drugs and arms.

Then there is the failure to establish exit checks at all the country’s airports and ports. These were supposed to be in place by March 2015.

Unfortunately the Border Force isn’t the only organisation under Mrs May’s control that is manifestly unfit for purpose. Recent years have seen a cavalcade of Home Office decisions about visas and deportations that suggest a department with a bizarre sense of the national interest.

The most infamous was the refusal of visas to Afghan interpreters who served with the British forces in Afghanistan – as Lord Guthrie said, a national shame.

Mrs May has kept so quiet about this and other scandals – such as the collapse of the eBorders IT system, at cost of almost a billion pounds – that you might imagine someone else was in charge the Home Office.

[It’s not just a matter of the odd error. Yvette Cooper pointed out in 2013 that despite Coalition rhetoric, the number of people refused entry to the UK had dropped by 50 per cent, the backlog of finding failed asylum seekers had gone up and the number of illegal immigrants deported had gone down.]

The reputation for effectiveness that Mrs May nevertheless enjoys derives from a single, endlessly cited event: the occasion in 2014 when she delivered some harsh truths to a conference of the Police Federation.

Unfortunately this was an isolated incident that, given the lack of any subsequent (or previous) effort at police reform, seems to have been intended mainly for public consumption.

In general Mrs May has avoided taking on the most serious institutional problems that afflict British policing. These include a disturbing willingness by some forces to let public relations concerns determine policing priorities, widespread overreliance on CCTV, the widespread propensity to massage crime numbers, the extreme risk aversion manifested during the London riots, and the preference for diverting police resources to patrol social media rather than the country’s streets.

There is also little evidence that Mrs May has paid much attention to the failure of several forces to protect vulnerable girls from the ethnically-motivated sexual predation seen in Rotherham and elsewhere. Nor, despite her supposed feminism, has Mrs May’s done much to ensure that girls from certain ethnic groups are protected from forced marriage and genital mutilation. But again, Mrs May has managed to evade criticism for this.

When considering her suitability for party leadership, it’s also worth remembering Mrs May’s notorious “lack of collegiality”.

David Laws’ memoirs paint a vivid picture of a secretive, rigid, controlling, even vengeful minister, so unpleasant to colleagues that a dread of meetings with her was something that cabinet members from both parties could bond over.

Unsurprisingly, Mrs May’s overwhelming concern with taking credit and deflecting blame made for a difficult working relationship with her department, just as her propensity for briefing the press against cabinet colleagues made her its most disliked member in two successive governments.

It is possible that Mrs May’s intimidating ruthlessness could make her the right person to negotiate with EU leaders. However, there’s little in her record to suggest she possesses either strong negotiation skills or the ability to win allies among other leaders, unlike Michael Gove, of whom David Laws wrote “it was possible to disagree with him but impossible to dislike him,”

It’s surely about time – and not too late – for conservatives to look behind Mrs May’s carefully-wrought image and consider if she really is the right person to lead the party and the country.

There’s a vast gulf between being effective in office, and being effective at promoting yourself; it’s not one that Theresa May has yet crossed.

Reproduced with kind permission of Jonathan Foreman
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: stephen25000 on July 09, 2016, 03:23:00 PM
As stated, the views of the Tory membership who have already revealed a 60% preference to Brexit.


What about who they would vote for  ??
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Angelo222 on July 09, 2016, 03:30:02 PM
Contrary to Angelo's claim that Leadsom is the People's choice, it seems she is the choice of less than 30% of the populace according to this Sky poll

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-poll-public-wants-theresa-may-as-pm-10495349?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

And we all know what use Sky polls are.   %56&  @)(++(* 
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 09, 2016, 03:34:12 PM
And we all know what use Sky polls are.   %56&  @)(++(*



So you think Leadsom has overwhelming support ? %&5%£
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Angelo222 on July 09, 2016, 03:40:14 PM
Quote
Can we REALLY trust her? A CV that's falling apart. Murky tax affairs. Yes, she's a talent - but is Mrs Leadsom fit for No. 10?

By Guy Adams for the Daily Mail

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3678061/Yes-s-talent-Mrs-Leadsom-fit-No-10.html

I would say neither of them is fit to be PM.  Even if Leadsom wins a majority of Tory Party members she will not carry the Parliamentary members with her thus she would struggle to implement any new legislation.

What a mess!!
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Alfie on July 09, 2016, 04:16:01 PM
I would say neither of them is fit to be PM.  Even if Leadsom wins a majority of Tory Party members she will not carry the Parliamentary members with her thus she would struggle to implement any new legislation.

What a mess!!
Weren't you bigging her up earlier this week?  What's changed???
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 09, 2016, 05:03:16 PM
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/andrea-leadsoms-charity-is-bankrolled-by-her-offshore-banker?utm_term=.yi38qdZrN#.cc5Pn0doB

Andrea Leadsom’s Charity Is Bankrolled By Her Offshore Banker Brother-In-Law

Charity Commission filings examined by BuzzFeed News have raised fresh questions for the Tory leadership contender over her ties to her Guernsey-based brother-in-law’s companies.

James Ball

Special Correspondent, BuzzFeed UK


A charity launched by Andrea Leadsom has received its main financial support from a foundation run by her sister and funded by her brother-in-law, a major Conservative donor and offshore investment banker, BuzzFeed News can reveal.

With the energy minister’s financial affairs under intense scrutiny as she bids to become the new Conservative leader – and therefore prime minister – attention has focused on her ties to the offshore industry and companies run by her Guernsey-based brother-in-law, Peter de Putron.

The companies have made major donations to the Conservative party – more than £520,000 since she was selected as a candidate, £80,000 of which went to Leadsom’s office and constituency party – and have employed Leadsom’s husband, Ben, in senior roles.

Leadsom has said she was “not aware” of the size of the contributions and that none of them had benefited her own career.

But new analysis of Charity Commission records by BuzzFeed News shows that de Putron and his wife, Hayley, Leadsom’s sister, were also the major backers of Leadsom’s charitable pursuits, launched two years into her career as an MP in 2012.

Leadsom is the founder of Parent Infant Partnership (PIP) UK, a charity aimed at helping create “a society of emotionally secure children who grow up to become socially responsible adults” by focusing on early-years intervention for children and support for parents. The charity acts as an umbrella group, providing support to local parent/infant groups.

In a speech announcing her candidacy for leader on Monday, Leadsom drew on these same ideas as a central plank of her leadership platform.

A company controlled by de Putron – via a foundation controlled by Leadsom’s sister – contributed a total of more than £670,000 to Leadsom’s charity.

PIP UK’s major funder from 2013 to 2015, the three years for which it has filed accounts, was the Ana Leaf Foundation, a UK-registered charity that has Hayley de Putron as one of its two trustees.

The Ana Leaf Foundation’s sole donor in the two years for which it filed accounts, 2011 and 2013, was Gloucester Research Ltd (later renamed GR Software & Research Limited), a company owned by Peter de Putron that counted Ben Leadsom among its board of directors until 2014.

Soon after its founding, PIP UK began activity in Westminster, hiring a part-time public affairs officer in its second year of activity and taking a secretariat role supporting a new all-party parliamentary group, i.e. an informal network of MPs based on a particular cause or agenda.

Leadsom’s website notes that she co-founded the group – named “Conception to age 2: first 1001 Days” – with Labour MP Frank Field late in 2013.

A clinical psychologist who was involved with the network of PIP charities as they were being established expressed concern in a 2014 blog post that they were serving to further Leadsom’s political career.
The post, by Dr Miriam Silver, said:

I felt, cynically perhaps, that there was a second agenda designed to
promote the MP who founded the project and her political party which was
of more importance than our clinical goals, although this was never
explicit.

Silver added she’d had concerns with the organisation’s approach to early-years care, which she was worried risked stigmatising parents.

“Although our tiny pilot had kept 5 children out of 6 at home with parents successfully, despite them being referred on the edge of care, we had feedback from service users and user groups that they felt stigmatised by some of these messages,” she said. “I couldn’t match my views up with the politics of the organisation. I felt that to stay would conflict with my professional ethics, and my desire to honour the evidence base and respect the people who needed the service, so I quit before the launch.

“My colleague decided it would be unsafe to practise in my absence and left at the same time, leaving the charity with no clinical staff. Nonetheless, they decided to make a very big launch event, that I could only describe as one third professional conference, one third stately home wedding and one third party political broadcast for the blue party.”

Leadsom resigned as a trustee of the charity, according to its filings, in December 2014, eight months after getting her first ministerial job. Her colleague Tim Loughton MP, who is supporting her bid for leadership, now serves as the charity’s chair.

BuzzFeed News asked Andrea Leadsom’s office a series of questions about her work with the charity and the contents of Silver’s blog post. Asked about whether the charity had served as a vehicle for Leadsom’s political career, her spokesman told BuzzFeed News:

“Mrs Leadsom did this because she’s passionate about the cause. There’s an overlap, it’s unavoidable…Did she do this to become an MP? Absolutely not. She did not do work on child mental health for political reasons. Has Andrea abused her political position? Absolutely not.”


He said Leadsom had resigned so she could focus on her role as a minister.

Leadsom has previously said she was “unaware” her brother-in-law’s company, where her husband was employed, was a major Conservative donor.

When asked by BuzzFeed News whether Leadsom was aware de Putron was also the major funder of her charity, the spokesman said he would look into this.

The Guardian disclosed in 2014 that companies connected to de Putron – including Gloucester Research – had donated hundreds of thousands of pounds to the Conservative party since Leadsom became an MP, an arrangement Tom Watson likened at the time to risking the appearance of a “cash for political office” arrangement.

De Putron’s companies also contributed directly to Leadsom’s election campaign and helped fund staff in her office. De Putron’s company was also the major funder of the Eurosceptic think tank Open Europe, which campaigned for Britain to reform its relationship with the EU. Leadsom spoke at several Open Europe events and praised its research in public speeches.

De Putron, as a Channel Islands resident, is not personally eligible to donate to UK political parties, but his UK-based companies are entitled to be donors under the rules.

In 2014, Leadsom’s spokesman said she had gained no benefit from her family’s generosity to the Conservative party.

“Andrea was not aware of the size of donations made by UK companies controlled by Peter de Putron to the Conservative party, and has never been involved in any way,” her spokesman told The Guardian.

“She has not benefited personally from these donations and does not believe they have affected her career in any way…no member of her family has ever sought to promote her political career.”

Asked whether Leadsom would consider accepting funding from de Putron’s companies for her leadership campaign, a spokesman told BuzzFeed News:

“She’s aware there are lots of organisations hoping to donate, especially if she goes to the country. If this does happen they would all be carefully vetted and logged, as the rules require.”

On Tom Watson’s comments, the spokesman merely laughed and said: “Good old Tom…so?”


The buy-to-let properties of Leadsom’s immediate family have also attracted coverage since her first ministerial job in 2014. Leadsom founded a company, Bandal Ltd, with her husband in 2004 – both giving their job as “investment banker” on the paperwork. The two were equal shareholders.

The company became the owner of three properties in Oxford, each with a mortgage from the offshore bank Kleinwort Benson. In 2006, shareholdings were given to “settlements” – a form of trust – for the couple’s children, while in 2014 Leadsom’s shareholding was signed over to her husband.

The use of trusts to hold assets for children is one legal way high-new-worth individuals minimise inheritance tax when passing on assets, though they also serve other purposes.

BuzzFeed News asked Leadsom’s spokesman if she had ruled out ever using the settlements in this way. The spokesman did not have a reply on this point before publication, but said he would find out. This story will be updated when we receive a response.

Leadsom has said she will release her latest tax return if she becomes one of the final two candidates in the leadership contest.


Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 09, 2016, 05:10:23 PM

Leadsom has previously said she was “unaware” her brother-in-law’s company, where her husband was employed, was a major Conservative donor.

When asked by BuzzFeed News whether Leadsom was aware de Putron was also the major funder of her charity, the spokesman said he would look into this.



Erm....
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 09, 2016, 05:13:36 PM
Leadsom has previously said she was “unaware” her brother-in-law’s company, where her husband was employed, was a major Conservative donor.

When asked by BuzzFeed News whether Leadsom was aware de Putron was also the major funder of her charity, the spokesman said he would look into this.



Erm....

Methinks you don't believe her Carana.  8)--))
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 09, 2016, 05:32:05 PM
Methinks you don't believe her Carana.  8)--))


I'm trying to find this plausible... but I'm not sure that I'm succeeding.

If she really wasn't aware of such actions conducted by her nearest and dearest... what else is she "unaware" of that could be of import in determining whether she is the person to fulfil the function of the UK's top job?


On the other hand, once the media decide to do a hatchet job on someone, it's hard to work out what's actually true or not...
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 09, 2016, 05:37:39 PM
Leadsom has previously said she was “unaware” her brother-in-law’s company, where her husband was employed, was a major Conservative donor.

When asked by BuzzFeed News whether Leadsom was aware de Putron was also the major funder of her charity, the spokesman said he would look into this.



Erm....

Yeah, whod a thunk it...*slaps forehead*

So we are all agreed PM will win due to how much money they can bring to the party coffers..OH Fck help us all. I don't think any names in the pool are any good. That goes for both main parties!
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 09, 2016, 05:39:03 PM
Didn't she agree to produce her tax returns if she was one of the two remaining candidates, or did I dream that?  &%+((£
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: puglove on July 09, 2016, 10:22:57 PM


So you think Leadsom has overwhelming support ? %&5%£

There once was a Tory called Leadsom
Whom sensible liberals found dreadsome.
She hated Ms. May
And anyone gay
And her CV overstated her cred some.

AL's nickname at Warwick Uni was TW. Apparently it stood for The Winner, but all I could think of was Tit Wank.   8(8-))

She looks like an angry dinner lady with bad eyebrows.    ?8)@)-)
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 10, 2016, 08:54:18 AM
A journalist quoted a moderate Tory as likening AL to Sarah Pallin without the brains!

One things for sure there's nothing modest about AL.  Keir Starmer was urged by party activists to stand for leader of the Labour party in the 2015 election, but he ruled out doing so citing his lack of political experience.  And yet the contrast between AL's dubious roles on her cv and KS's high profile roles  couldn't be greater. 

Anna Soubry MP (@Anna_Soubry) Today’s @thetimes interview shows #AndreaLeadsom is not PM material. She should do us all a favour including herself and step aside...

I'm sure AL is an ok woman but a PM in waiting she ain't.

It's a huge embarrassment for the country that someone of AL's calibre even gets the opportunity to run for leader and by default PM.  And a real insight that Tory grandees like Bill Cash and Norman Tebbitt are such rabid eurosceptics they would vote for AL simply on the basis she was a Brexiteer.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Myster on July 10, 2016, 09:08:14 AM
  And a real insight that Tory grandees like Bill Cash and Norman Tebbitt are such rabid eurosceptics they would vote for AL simply on the basis she was a Brexiteer.

... not forgetting that she's also the better-looking of the two contenders.  8((()*/
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 10, 2016, 09:18:28 AM
... not forgetting that she's also the better-looking of the two contenders.  8((()*/

Well beauty is in the eye of the beholder but personally I think TM is better-looking and she has 5 more years on the clock than AL!  She also has a far better collection of shoes!  Both are more attractive than Andrea Eagles! 
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 10, 2016, 09:22:35 AM
... not forgetting that she's also the better-looking of the two contenders.  8((()*/

You need to go to Specsavers. @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Myster on July 10, 2016, 09:37:58 AM
You need to go to Specsavers. @)(++(* @)(++(*
I admit that a dollop of panstick and bit of lippy might be clouding my judgement.  8(8-))

Although I might be tempted to vote Labour for the first time ever if the Eagle defeats the Raven and has a makeover...
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Myster on July 10, 2016, 09:40:06 AM
Well beauty is in the eye of the beholder but personally I think TM is better-looking and she has 5 more years on the clock than AL!  She also has a far better collection of shoes!  Both are more attractive than Andrea Eagles!

Geez... you can't even get her name right!  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: puglove on July 10, 2016, 09:59:52 AM
I admit that a dollop of panstick and bit of lippy might be clouding my judgement.  8(8-))

Although I might be tempted to vote Labour for the first time ever if the Eagle defeats the Raven and has a makeover...

TM and AL look like posh, disapproving neighbours in a 1970's sitcom, but TM is deffo the less fugly.

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: APRIL on July 10, 2016, 10:10:49 AM
... not forgetting that she's also the better-looking of the two contenders.  8((()*/


Really? Might it have to do with the generous mouth, d'ya think?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 10, 2016, 10:16:19 AM
Enough of this bashing Angela Eagle simply because of her looks.

She voted in favour of the Iraq war.

So she's thick as well.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Myster on July 10, 2016, 10:27:54 AM
TM and AL look like posh, disapproving neighbours in a 1970's sitcom, but TM is deffo the less fugly.



Really? Might it have to do with the generous mouth, d'ya think?

I'm not bovvered what comes out of it, but her more shapely legs and sensible shoes (instead of gumboots) tilted the balance for me.

I'll go mow the lawn to chew them all over and reconsider.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 10, 2016, 10:45:28 AM
I'm not bovvered what comes out of it, but her more shapely legs and sensible shoes (instead of gumboots) tilted the balance for me.

I'll go mow the lawn to chew them all over and reconsider.

Chew what? Sensible shoes or gumboots?  @)(++(*

I remember a Labrador puppy who was a bit like that...
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 10, 2016, 11:49:32 AM
Enough of this bashing Angela Eagle simply because of her looks.

She voted in favour of the Iraq war.

So she's thick as well.

 *&*%£ *&*%£
But to be fair that could be the description of most MP's!

Money talks... let's see who shouts the loudest and gets a gong at the end of the year!
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: John on July 10, 2016, 11:54:19 AM
I still say neither of them is PM material and since the winner of this leadership contest will be shoehorned into the post of the most powerful person in the United Kingdom for the next four years its all become somewhat of a farce.  If the Tories had any sense they would go back to the drawing board and come up with some proper qualified candidates.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: APRIL on July 10, 2016, 11:56:49 AM
I still say neither of them is PM material and since the winner of this leadership contest will be shoehorned into the post of the most powerful person in the United Kingdom for the next four years its all become somewhat of a farce.  If the Tories had any sense they would go back to the drawing board and come up with some proper qualified candidates.

Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 10, 2016, 12:19:28 PM
Any suggestions?

 &%+((£

Oh Gawd..I can't think of a decent one among them...
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: APRIL on July 10, 2016, 12:46:32 PM
&%+((£

Oh Gawd..I can't think of a decent one among them...

Something I perceive as being par for the course with -most- successful politicians of which ever persuasion. MOST of those with any degree of altruism probably aren't ruthless enough to make it.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: John on July 10, 2016, 02:03:57 PM
Any suggestions?

It is Cameron who has brought all this down upon us, promising one thing and doing another in between his sobs.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 10, 2016, 02:41:03 PM
It is Cameron who has brought all this down upon us, promising one thing and doing another in between his sobs.

It is a  Tory party fight for power and fear of Ukip which is responsible for this mess.

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 10, 2016, 02:52:49 PM
It is a  Tory party fight for power and fear of Ukip which is responsible for this mess.




I have no doubt that there are valid gripes for everyone in this mess.

I also feel concerned that an unquantified proportion of the UK voting public may well have relied on their favourite tabloid for confirmation bias.

Other countries in the surrounding geographical area (generaly referred to as "Europe") will also have to pick up the tab on this...



Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on July 10, 2016, 07:50:49 PM
I expect May to win, but I don't care which one becomes PM so long as they do what the people voted for.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alfie on July 10, 2016, 09:06:46 PM
I expect May to win, but I don't care which one becomes PM so long as they do what the people voted for.
what have people voted for actually?  Ds anyone know?  Leaving the EU seems to mean different things to different people...
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on July 10, 2016, 10:34:37 PM
what have people voted for actually?  Ds anyone know?  Leaving the EU seems to mean different things to different people...

Hopefully our Prime Ministers can stop schlepping across the Channel trying to get out of things. We were never committed members anyway.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alfie on July 10, 2016, 10:51:03 PM
Hopefully our Prime Ministers can stop schlepping across the Channel trying to get out of things. We were never committed members anyway.
What did you vote for?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on July 11, 2016, 08:19:24 AM
What did you vote for?

What possible difference does that make to anything? My voting behaviour is my business and no-one else's.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 11, 2016, 09:43:51 AM
Personally, I never thought that she did mean it as a nasty personal jibe.

As is often the case, context is useful:

“I was pressed to say how my children had formed my views. I didn’t want it to be used as an issue. Having children has no bearing on the ability to be PM. I deeply regret that anyone has got the impression that I think otherwise.”

On the other hand, the knee-jerk reaction of accusing a serious journalist of engaging in "gutter journalism" was perhaps not the wisest of post-blunder courses of action.

Eric Pickles, the former cabinet minister who is supporting May’s bid [commented]  “I don’t like to see those kind of reactions in a potential prime minister because she is going to have to deal with a lot more [and] tougher people than that particular journalist, Rachel Sylvester. I think Mr Putin might be just a little bit more difficult.”

I can understand that she doesn't have much experience in dealing with the media, but it looks like she'll need to face a rather steep learning curve.


 Andrea Leadsom apologises to Theresa May for motherhood remarks

Tory leadership candidate says sorry to her rival, Theresa May, after ‘fluffing her first major interview with a very serious journalist’


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/10/andrea-leadsom-apologises-for-motherhood-remarks
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alfie on July 11, 2016, 10:10:08 AM
What possible difference does that make to anything? My voting behaviour is my business and no-one else's.
You're very opinionated.  You seem to be firmly in the Leave camp, yet claim you did not vote leave.  So as this is a chat forum where we discuss our views on different subjects, I thought it wasn't too absurd or impertinent to ask you what you actually voted for - ie: what outcome did you want from the referendum as far as our relationship with the EU is concerned.  I don't see what the big secret is, in fact I find it odd that you should be so coy about it.  Your choice of course.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 11, 2016, 10:25:38 AM
Personally, I never thought that she did mean it as a nasty personal jibe.

As is often the case, context is useful:

“I was pressed to say how my children had formed my views. I didn’t want it to be used as an issue. Having children has no bearing on the ability to be PM. I deeply regret that anyone has got the impression that I think otherwise.”

On the other hand, the knee-jerk reaction of accusing a serious journalist of engaging in "gutter journalism" was perhaps not the wisest of course of post-blunder courses of action.

Eric Pickles, the former cabinet minister who is supporting May’s bid [commented]  “I don’t like to see those kind of reactions in a potential prime minister because she is going to have to deal with a lot more [and] tougher people than that particular journalist, Rachel Sylvester. I think Mr Putin might be just a little bit more difficult.”

I can understand that she doesn't have much experience in dealing with the media, but it looks like she'll need to face a rather steep learning curve.


I can see a slightly worrying





 Andrea Leadsom apologises to Theresa May for motherhood remarks

Tory leadership candidate says sorry to her rival, Theresa May, after ‘fluffing her first major interview with a very serious journalist’


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/10/andrea-leadsom-apologises-for-motherhood-remarks

I read the 'apology' earlier.

Having checked her background, including the donations to the Tory party which have come though her brother-in-law, via various companies, I wouldn't trust anything she said at first hand.

Maybe I'm just too cynical.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on July 11, 2016, 10:26:38 AM
You're very opinionated.  You seem to be firmly in the Leave camp, yet claim you did not vote leave.  So as this is a chat forum where we discuss our views on different subjects, I thought it wasn't too absurd or impertinent to ask you what you actually voted for - ie: what outcome did you want from the referendum as far as our relationship with the EU is concerned.  I don't see what the big secret is, in fact I find it odd that you should be so coy about it.  Your choice of course.

I'm actually not very opinionated on many subjects. I didn't identify myself as a supporter or sceptic in another poll as I leave labelling to those who have passionate beliefs on things.

I am a believer in democracy. A lot of my responses have been about democracy and against the labelling of voters because of the way they voted.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alfie on July 11, 2016, 10:41:37 AM
I'm actually not very opinionated on many subjects. I didn't identify myself as a supporter or sceptic in another poll as I leave labelling to those who have passionate beliefs on things.

I am a believer in democracy. A lot of my responses have been about democracy and against the labelling of voters because of the way they voted.
Do you believe the EU is democratic? 
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 11, 2016, 11:10:11 AM
I read the 'apology' earlier.

Having checked her background, including the donations to the Tory party which have come though her brother-in-law, via various companies, I wouldn't trust anything she said at first hand.

Maybe I'm just too cynical.


I don't know, I'm just trying to be fair.  I tend to give the benefit of the doubt, particularly as I'm well aware of how the slightest gaffe can be seized upon.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 11, 2016, 11:18:31 AM

I don't know, I'm just trying to be fair.  I tend to give the benefit of the doubt, particularly as I'm well aware of how the slightest gaffe can be seized upon.

I know Carana that you are being fair.

I just see cold calculation in Leadsom's eyes, which backfired in this instance.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 11, 2016, 11:51:36 AM
Apparently, according tothe B.B.C. News, Leadsom is about to quit the leadership election in the Tory party.

Announcement at 12.15 pm.

Confirmed.

'...doing it for the good of the country..'   @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: misty on July 11, 2016, 12:33:41 PM
What an absolute farce this whole affair has become. We truly must the laughing stock of Europe right now.
Just waiting for Klinsmann to be unveiled as the new England footy manager backed by the cast of Dad's Army singing our theme tune & I will then believe we have all truly gone mad.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 11, 2016, 12:41:55 PM
What an absolute farce this whole affair has become. We truly must the laughing stock of Europe right now.
Just waiting for Klinsmann to be unveiled as the new England footy manager backed by the cast of Dad's Army singing our theme tune & I will then believe we have all truly gone mad.

Yes it is a farce, and we will be laughed at.

Meanwhile Eagle is now standing. I wonder if they have some breakdown of who the new Labour party 'members' will vote for, and/or will Corbyn be on the ballot paper ?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: misty on July 11, 2016, 12:52:42 PM
Yes it is a farce, and we will be laughed at.

Meanwhile Eagle is now standing. I wonder if they have some breakdown of who the new Labour party 'members' will vote for, and/or will Corbyn be on the ballot paper ?

It's reported that there has to be another name on the ballot papers besides TM so the Tory membership can vote properly. Cue the return of Boris lol?
As for Labour, Corbyn's name has to be there. Didn't the Unions back him last time? The funniest outcome would be for Corbyn to win again.
I really must stop taking these pills, so many strange things appear to be happening out there.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alfie on July 11, 2016, 01:16:31 PM
I've heard that Boris is going to challenge Corbyn for the position of Labour leader!

Well it was mooted, maybe only half-jokingly in the ST yesterday....
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on July 11, 2016, 01:19:01 PM
Apparently, according tothe B.B.C. News, Leadsom is about to quit the leadership election in the Tory party.

Announcement at 12.15 pm.

Confirmed.

'...doing it for the good of the country..'   @)(++(* @)(++(*

Well, she could have won, don'tcha know. More Conservative Party members voted Leave than Remain, and they now choose the Leader so.....................
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 11, 2016, 01:22:10 PM
Apparently, according tothe B.B.C. News, Leadsom is about to quit the leadership election in the Tory party.

Announcement at 12.15 pm.

Confirmed.

'...doing it for the good of the country..'   @)(++(* @)(++(*

And the country are very ,very grateful!!  *&*%£ *&*%£...

Although I am not a great fan of Gove, normally, I truly believe he has the testies to carry out proper negotiations because he was all too aware of the heavy burden of the paperwork being shunted from Brussels and the sheer madness of it all first hand! We don't need a good looking man/woman. or 'Trendy Betty' as our PM we need a sober, educated, unemotional, experienced person. Gove is that man IMO.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: misty on July 11, 2016, 01:29:05 PM
And the country are very ,very grateful!!  *&*%£ *&*%£...

Although I am not a great fan of Gove, normally, I truly believe he has the testies to carry out proper negotiations because he was all too aware of the heavy burden of the paperwork being shunted from Brussels and the sheer madness of it all first hand! We don't need a good looking man/woman. or 'Trendy Betty' as our PM we need a sober, educated, unemotional, experienced person. Gove is that man IMO.

You cannot be serious.
TM can run rings around the lot of them - as Vince Cable will tell you.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 11, 2016, 01:35:07 PM
You cannot be serious.
TM can run rings around the lot of them - as Vince Cable will tell you.

No, she has PC Library to hand, not tough enough IMO,VERY Ambitious? YES! Tough? NO!. She wasn't too sure about being in or out, afraid to stand up for what she believed in, following both sides to stand with the winner, NOT to be trusted.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 11, 2016, 01:41:16 PM
And the country are very ,very grateful!!  *&*%£ *&*%£...

Although I am not a great fan of Gove, normally, I truly believe he has the testies to carry out proper negotiations because he was all too aware of the heavy burden of the paperwork being shunted from Brussels and the sheer madness of it all first hand! We don't need a good looking man/woman. or 'Trendy Betty' as our PM we need a sober, educated, unemotional, experienced person. Gove is that man IMO.

You mean Sarah Vine's husband then?

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 11, 2016, 01:47:17 PM
And the country are very ,very grateful!!  *&*%£ *&*%£...

Although I am not a great fan of Gove, normally, I truly believe he has the testies to carry out proper negotiations because he was all too aware of the heavy burden of the paperwork being shunted from Brussels and the sheer madness of it all first hand! We don't need a good looking man/woman. or 'Trendy Betty' as our PM we need a sober, educated, unemotional, experienced person. Gove is that man IMO.

The contest is closed.

May is to make a speech later.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alfie on July 11, 2016, 01:53:26 PM
Little Englanders everywhere must be gutted by today's news.... 8)--))
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 11, 2016, 01:56:19 PM
Little Englanders everywhere must be gutted by today's news.... 8)--))

Indeed Alfie.

Tis a true shame. 8)><( 8)><(
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 11, 2016, 02:02:29 PM
The contest is closed.

May is to make a speech later.

Ahh but she does not have the  love of the poeple...we will get rid of her soon enough, in  fact a few new parties will rise...We also have a voice in the online route to force action on behalf of the people!! We are becoming stronger already!
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 11, 2016, 02:05:26 PM
Ahh but she does not have the  love of the poeple...we will get rid of her soon enough, in  fact a few new parties will rise...We also have a voice in the online route to force action on behalf of the people!! We are becoming stronger already!

Who is this 'we' then exactly.

I could make suggestions of course. 8(0(*
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 11, 2016, 02:07:13 PM
Indeed Alfie.

Tis a true shame. 8)><( 8)><(

Absolutely  8)-)))

Stephen just to say many thanks for all the background info you posted on AL and the De Putron connection.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 11, 2016, 02:11:41 PM
Absolutely  8)-)))

Stephen just to say many thanks for all the background info you posted on AL and the De Putron connection.

My pleasure Holly.

There was more, but not needed now.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 11, 2016, 02:18:22 PM
What an absolute farce this whole affair has become. We truly must the laughing stock of Europe right now.
Just waiting for Klinsmann to be unveiled as the new England footy manager backed by the cast of Dad's Army singing our theme tune & I will then believe we have all truly gone mad.

He who laughs last- laughs longest!!.

 We are the envy of many French , Germans who also want out! Greece need 3 billion € instead of Turkey  what are you thoughts on that?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Angelo222 on July 11, 2016, 03:17:31 PM
He who laughs last- laughs longest!!.

 We are the envy of many French , Germans who also want out! Greece need 3 billion € instead of Turkey  what are you thoughts on that?

If Theresa May is crowned without an election it will be a hollow victory.  She is the failed Home Secretary who was charged with bringing immigration down, a task which she failed abysmally.  How she will regain any confidence from the vast majority of the electorate is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 11, 2016, 03:22:51 PM
If Theresa May is crowned without an election it will be a hollow victory.  She is the failed Home Secretary who was charged with bringing immigration down, a task which she failed abysmally.  How she will regain any confidence from the vast majority of the electorate is anyone's guess.

Yes, I can't see that happen> she is so PC it is nauseating! not to be trusted a sly one in my opinion.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: stephen25000 on July 11, 2016, 03:28:40 PM
Yes, I can't see that happen> she is so PC it is nauseating! not to be trusted a sly one in my opinion.

I am afraid you two need to keep up to date.

It is T.M.

That is a fait accompli.


Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 11, 2016, 04:06:02 PM
I am afraid you two need to keep up to date.

It is T.M.

That is a fait accompli.

lol yes we know. We were remarking on her longevity and the response of the public to her appointment. I don't see her being a Prime Minister.  a new party and new thinking will arise I am sure of that.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: stephen25000 on July 11, 2016, 04:15:20 PM
lol yes we know. We were remarking on her longevity and the response of the public to her appointment. I don't see her being a Prime Minister.  a new party and new thinking will arise I am sure of that.

Well as Labour are in disarray, she is liable to be there for a while.

Having a GE is not that easy right now, thanks to the Act of Parliament to have a fixed term, and I don't see Labour agree ng to that right now.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alfie on July 11, 2016, 04:23:14 PM
Theresa May will be the new PM from Wednesday.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 11, 2016, 04:26:16 PM
Theresa May will be the new PM from Wednesday.

Caneron's last QT should prove interesting.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Davel on July 11, 2016, 04:32:30 PM
You all seem to be under the illusion that other countries politicians are in some way superior
Junker the drunker ...... and Trump could be the next president of the US
Much more to laugh at there
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 11, 2016, 04:34:18 PM
Well as Labour are in disarray, she is liable to be there for a while.

Having a GE is not that easy right now, thanks to the Act of Parliament to have a fixed term, and I don't see Labour agree ng to that right now.

Yes, I agree. But I don't think the voting public will put up with her  appeasing sh!   t. This is the time to stand together and make it work I hope she is not the weak link.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: blonk on July 11, 2016, 04:44:46 PM
Theresa May will be the new PM from Wednesday.
Congratulations Mrs Theresa May on your appointment w.e.f. Wednesday 13 July as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

And jolly good riddance to your predecessor David Cameron and his cronies like the IMF, Barack Obama et al who tried to browbeat the British public into voting 'Remain' by the most audacious and mendacious set of lies in living memory, claiming that BREXIT would push us nearer World War III and trigger an immediate world-wide recession. No wonder 'Remain' scraped as many as 48% of the votes.

And now that you're soon to be in No. 10, Mrs May, here's a reminder of your sound bites, or should I say promises, in your first speech after BREXIT:

+++++++++++++++++++++

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP1u1K5CCNs

Verbatim extracts from the speech:

BREXIT means BREXIT.

The campaign was fought.

The vote was held.

Turnout was high.

And the public gave their verdict.

There must be no attempts to remain inside the EU.

No attempts to rejoin it through the back door.

And no second Referendum.

The country voted to LEAVE the European Union.

And it is the duty of rhe government and Parliament to make sure we do just that.

There should be no General Election until 2020.

======

If ever there was a time for the Prime Minister who is ready and able to do the job, from Day One, THIS IS IT. 

There is work to do…to negotiate a sensible and orderly departure from the European Union.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alfie on July 11, 2016, 04:48:25 PM
Congratulations Mrs Theresa May on your appointment w.e.f. Wednesday 13 July as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

And jolly good riddance to your predecessor David Cameron and his cronies like the IMF, Barack Obama et al who tried to browbeat the British public into voting 'Remain' by the most audacious and mendacious set of lies in living memory, claiming that BREXIT would push us nearer World War III and trigger an immediate world-wide recession. No wonder 'Remain' scraped as many as 48% of the votes.

And now that you're soon to be in No. 10, Mrs May, here's a reminder of your sound bites, or should I say promises, in your first speech after BREXIT:

+++++++++++++++++++++

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP1u1K5CCNs

Verbatim extracts from the speech:

BREXIT means BREXIT.

The campaign was fought.

The vote was held.

Turnout was high.

And the public gave their verdict.

There must be no attempts to remain inside the EU.

No attempts to rejoin it through the back door.

And no second Referendum.

The country voted to LEAVE the European Union.

And it is the duty of rhe government and Parliament to make sure we do just that.

There should be no General Election until 2020.

======

If ever there was a time for the Prime Minister who is ready and able to do the job, from Day One, THIS IS IT. 

There is work to do…to negotiate a sensible and orderly departure from the European Union.


Re: the above in bold - it could still happen.  They didn't say it would happen in two weeks did they?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 11, 2016, 05:02:47 PM
Re: the above in bold - it could still happen.  They didn't say it would happen in two weeks did they?

Yes it could still happen, but not because we left the EU Hahahahaha the thought... but we in the UK can stay the hell out of it, no more wars for us unless a physical attack is imminent. I do mean fighter jets flying over Jersey!

oh and just a reminder to those who just love the influx of ISIS fighters   refugees  who will stir up racial tension's civil war is not off the cards either, the UK public are not really in the mood  for sitting down and watching on the sidelines as their country is being used as a training ground as has been for the past 10 years- something else no one wants to talk about  our export of suicide bombers and slaughterers if the innocent.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 11, 2016, 05:09:38 PM
Ahh but she does not have the  love of the poeple...we will get rid of her soon enough, in  fact a few new parties will rise...We also have a voice in the online route to force action on behalf of the people!! We are becoming stronger already!


MTi, you said:

"We also have a voice in the online route to force action on behalf of the people!! We are becoming stronger already!"


What action do you intend to force upon "the people"?

Could you be a bit more explicit?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on July 11, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
Mrs Cameron better get packing; the removers are coming. Oh wait, she won't need to, they will pay for it to be done for them.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 11, 2016, 05:57:34 PM

MTi, you said:

"We also have a voice in the online route to force action on behalf of the people!! We are becoming stronger already!"


What action do you intend to force upon "the people"?

Could you be a bit more explicit?

Indeed, I would like to hear the answer to that one.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Angelo222 on July 11, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
I am afraid you two need to keep up to date.

It is T.M.

That is a fait accompli.

Failure as Home Secretary must be deemed an admirable quality in your world.  For her to become PM without a proper contest is a insult to the electorate.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Angelo222 on July 11, 2016, 06:23:54 PM
Well as Labour are in disarray, she is liable to be there for a while.

Having a GE is not that easy right now, thanks to the Act of Parliament to have a fixed term, and I don't see Labour agree ng to that right now.

Labour have said they will support any call in Parliament for a General Election.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: stephen25000 on July 11, 2016, 06:26:43 PM
Labour have said they will support any call in Parliament for a General Election.

Do you have a cite for that ?

It sounds like turkeys voting for X-mas.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Angelo222 on July 11, 2016, 06:31:27 PM
Do you have a cite for that ?

It sounds like turkeys voting for X-mas.

They were on Sky not ten minutes ago speaking to Dermot Murnaghan saying we are ready.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: stephen25000 on July 11, 2016, 06:33:42 PM
They were on Sky not ten minutes ago speaking to Dermot Murnaghan saying we are ready.

'll look later.

Were they Corbyn supporters by chance ?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Angelo222 on July 11, 2016, 06:34:13 PM
The question I would like answered is, did Andrea Leadsom walk of her own volition or was she pushed?

There has been a really nasty smear campaign conducted against her by msm over the last week aimed at discrediting her.  The same msm which ran a pro Cameron remain campaign not so many weeks ago.

It is too bad that the home of democracy has yet again succumbed to the will of certain powerful newspaper barons who have a vested interest in keeping a Cameron stooge in power.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: stephen25000 on July 11, 2016, 06:38:11 PM
The question I would like answered is, did Andrea Leadsom walk of her own volition or was she pushed?

There has been a really nasty smear campaign conducted against her by msm over the last week aimed at discrediting her.

Hardly.

She was her own worst enemy.

She mentioned her children, in the tv debates.

Personally, I didn't want a right wing nu##er as PM , anymore than I would a left wing one.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Angelo222 on July 11, 2016, 06:44:27 PM
If May fails to invoke Brexit pretty sharpish I can see her facing a revolt of seismic proportion.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: stephen25000 on July 11, 2016, 06:45:50 PM
If May fails to invoke Brexit pretty sharpish I can see her facing a revolt of seismic proportion.

Who from, as most M.P.'s did not want Brexit. ?

Will Nasty Nigel return ? *&*%£
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Angelo222 on July 11, 2016, 06:55:49 PM
Who from, as most M.P.'s did not want Brexit. ?

Will Nasty Nigel return ? *&*%£

From Tory Party grass roots members whom as we now know have been denied their democratic right to vote for their party leader.  If I were a TP paid up member I would be rightly pissed off just now at what went on.  Time will tell if Leadsom was pushed or persuaded with a nice new lucrative post within the May cabinet.  Seems everyone got their way except the party members.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: John on July 11, 2016, 07:57:18 PM
From Tory Party grass roots members whom as we now know have been denied their democratic right to vote for their party leader.  If I were a TP paid up member I would be rightly pissed off just now at what went on.  Time will tell if Leadsom was pushed or persuaded with a nice new lucrative post within the May cabinet.  Seems everyone got their way except the party members.

Theresa May has inherited the job of PM under the most horrible circumstances.  She is now charged with uniting a Party which is split down the middle with party members being in direct opposition to parliamentary members.  No wonder this contest for leader was decided before it went to a vote of the former.

May is now charged with implementing #Brexit, something which the majority of Tory MP's opposed. She might have their support at the moment but when things start to move after Article 50 is invoked, will she retain that same support.  I have a terrible feeling that May's premiership might not be for as long as she might want and that does not fair well for the EU negotiations.


Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Angelo222 on July 11, 2016, 08:24:41 PM
Theresa May has inherited the job of PM under the most horrible circumstances.  She is now charged with uniting a Party which is split down the middle with party members being in direct opposition to parliamentary members.  No wonder this contest for leader was decided before it went to a vote of the former.

May is now charged with implementing #Brexit, something which the majority of Tory MP's opposed. She might have their support at the moment but when things start to move after Article 50 is invoked, will she retain that same support.  I have a terrible feeling that May's premiership might not be for as long as she might want and that does not fair well for the EU negotiations.

In normal times the job of PM is difficult enough but TM is taking this on with brexit staring at her down the barrel of the EU cannon.  I wish her well, she's gonna need it!  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: G-Unit on July 11, 2016, 08:48:31 PM
Theresa May has inherited the job of PM under the most horrible circumstances.  She is now charged with uniting a Party which is split down the middle with party members being in direct opposition to parliamentary members.  No wonder this contest for leader was decided before it went to a vote of the former.

May is now charged with implementing #Brexit, something which the majority of Tory MP's opposed. She might have their support at the moment but when things start to move after Article 50 is invoked, will she retain that same support.  I have a terrible feeling that May's premiership might not be for as long as she might want and that does not fair well for the EU negotiations.

Once Article 50 is invoked the clock is ticking; two years. Looking at the state of UK politics at the moment we could lose most of that two years with further in-fighting. I wouldn't rule out a General Election if May gets it wrong.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: John on July 11, 2016, 09:30:51 PM
Once Article 50 is invoked the clock is ticking; two years. Looking at the state of UK politics at the moment we could lose most of that two years with further in-fighting. I wouldn't rule out a General Election if May gets it wrong.

As someone said on TV today, one cannot rule anything out at the moment.  David Cameron got out of bed this morning thinking only two months more to go and by coffee time he realised he wouldn't be Party leader by tea time and would be quitting as PM by Wednesday lunch time.  They do say a day is a long time in politics, so what will happen within two years is anyone's guess?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on July 12, 2016, 08:25:32 AM
Theresa May seems interested in some traditional Labour concerns. Instead of addressing  the concerns of business leaders at this time of uncertainty she was talking about social injustice and curbing excess corporate pay.

The home secretary vowed to put the Conservative Party "at the service" of working people.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36760953

Rhetoric? Time will tell.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: John on July 12, 2016, 12:08:43 PM
Theresa May seems interested in some traditional Labour concerns. Instead of addressing  the concerns of business leaders at this time of uncertainty she was talking about social injustice and curbing excess corporate pay.

The home secretary vowed to put the Conservative Party "at the service" of working people.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36760953

Rhetoric? Time will tell.

I have every sympathy for Theresa, as Home Secretary she was protected to a great extent but she will be anointed El Supremo tomorrow, the head honcho, the big boss, the buck stops here.  No longer will she be protected and undoubtedly those same forces which so proficiently saw off her competition will now be head hunting for her scalp.  God help her, she'll need it!
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 12, 2016, 12:48:23 PM
I have every sympathy for Theresa, as Home Secretary she was protected to a great extent but she will be anointed El Supremo tomorrow, the head honcho, the big boss, the buck stops here.  No longer will she be protected and undoubtedly those same forces which so proficiently saw off her competition will now be head hunting for her scalp.  God help her, she'll need it!


Yes, she's put her head on the line.

Who would you have preferred (if any) and why?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 12, 2016, 12:54:10 PM
I have every sympathy for Theresa, as Home Secretary she was protected to a great extent but she will be anointed El Supremo tomorrow, the head honcho, the big boss, the buck stops here.  No longer will she be protected and undoubtedly those same forces which so proficiently saw off her competition will now be head hunting for her scalp.  God help her, she'll need it!

Appropriate quotes from a comedy disaster movie.

 8((()*/
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: John on July 12, 2016, 01:02:45 PM

Yes, she's put her head on the line.

Who would you have preferred (if any) and why?

Ideally Cameron should have stayed put as he originally promised.  As to anyone else taking up the mantle, I fear I cannot think of a single MP fit to do the job.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: misty on July 12, 2016, 01:33:55 PM
Ideally Cameron should have stayed put as he originally promised.  As to anyone else taking up the mantle, I fear I cannot think of a single MP fit to do the job.

What about Philip Hammond?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: ShiningInLuz on July 12, 2016, 01:37:57 PM
Once Article 50 is invoked the clock is ticking; two years. Looking at the state of UK politics at the moment we could lose most of that two years with further in-fighting. I wouldn't rule out a General Election if May gets it wrong.
The question is if/when article 50 gets invoked.  If TM waltzes into number 10 and presses the button immediately, I would be surprised to say the least.

She has a new cabinet etc. to appoint.  Those appointed have to get up to speed, both on UK 'as normal' and what Brexit will do in their area of responsibility.

And there is a question of who will be Brexit supremo during the leave process.  Is TM going to try to be an MP, the PM and the Brexit supremo all at once?  That's a lot of hats to wear.  Or will she appoint a Brexit supremo, who would presumably sit within the Cabinet at least until Brexit has completed.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Davel on July 12, 2016, 01:44:35 PM
Ideally Cameron should have stayed put as he originally promised.  As to anyone else taking up the mantle, I fear I cannot think of a single MP fit to do the job.

Cameron never promised to stay...and he never promised to trigger article 50
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Jean-Pierre on July 12, 2016, 01:48:52 PM
The question is if/when article 50 gets invoked.  If TM waltzes into number 10 and presses the button immediately, I would be surprised to say the least.

She has a new cabinet etc. to appoint.  Those appointed have to get up to speed, both on UK 'as normal' and what Brexit will do in their area of responsibility.

And there is a question of who will be Brexit supremo during the leave process.  Is TM going to try to be an MP, the PM and the Brexit supremo all at once?  That's a lot of hats to wear.  Or will she appoint a Brexit supremo, who would presumably sit within the Cabinet at least until Brexit has completed.

I can't think of anyone better than Nigel Farage for the job.  He has many friends in the EU parliament, he has a calm measured approach and would be sure to work to negotiate the best possible terms for those who voted for brexit.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 12, 2016, 02:29:39 PM
The question is if/when article 50 gets invoked.  If TM waltzes into number 10 and presses the button immediately, I would be surprised to say the least.

She has a new cabinet etc. to appoint.  Those appointed have to get up to speed, both on UK 'as normal' and what Brexit will do in their area of responsibility.

And there is a question of who will be Brexit supremo during the leave process.  Is TM going to try to be an MP, the PM and the Brexit supremo all at once?  That's a lot of hats to wear.  Or will she appoint a Brexit supremo, who would presumably sit within the Cabinet at least until Brexit has completed.

She will be like any good manager,one hopes. Outline the plan tell her staff what she expects each of them to do, play to their strengths and support their weaknesses, chew nails and spit rust and carry the can back. Don't buy a dog and bark yourself.
Give the task of negotiating "Brexit" to the most vociferous "remainers" because they cannot afford to be seen to be cocking it up and will have to deliver in spades even to be regarded as having done a half reasonable job.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: stephen25000 on July 12, 2016, 02:44:39 PM
I can't think of anyone better than Nigel Farage for the job.  He has many friends in the EU parliament, he has a calm measured approach and would be sure to work to negotiate the best possible terms for those who voted for brexit.

 @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Angelo222 on July 12, 2016, 02:54:14 PM
Cameron never promised to stay...and he never promised to trigger article 50

Cameron did state that he would remain PM regardless of the outcome of the vote.  You must have slept thru that video.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Davel on July 12, 2016, 02:57:13 PM
Cameron did state that he would remain PM regardless of the outcome of the vote.  You must have slept thru that video.
which video was that


found this...

Asked whether he could stay in his post in the event of Brexit, he replied: “Yes. I think it's very important that the individual careers of individual politicians don't get caught up in this question.

“It won't be a verdict on me, whatever the outcome is. It's a verdict on the question, but I do care a lot about the question.”


is this what you are referring to? if it is you need to read it carefully
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Angelo222 on July 12, 2016, 03:12:40 PM
which video was that


found this...

Asked whether he could stay in his post in the event of Brexit, he replied: “Yes. I think it's very important that the individual careers of individual politicians don't get caught up in this question.

“It won't be a verdict on me, whatever the outcome is. It's a verdict on the question, but I do care a lot about the question.”


is this what you are referring to? if it is you need to read it carefully

I haven't seen that particular comment but it isn't the one I'm thinking of.  Cameron was very clear, he made no reference to resigning if defeated.  He stated he would accept the decision whatever it was and then get on with it.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: John on July 12, 2016, 03:26:18 PM
Is this what you are looking for, David Cameron's interview with The Times published on the 18th June 2016?


Win or lose, I’m staying in No 10, declares Cameron

David Cameron declares today that he will continue as prime minister whether he wins or loses the EU referendum. He urges voters not to blame him if there is a vote for Brexit, even though a number of Tory ministers insist that under those circumstances he must go.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/win-or-lose-im-staying-in-no-10-declares-cameron-lht3wwfvs



Cameron at 3.50

20 February 2016

"You will decide and whatever your decision I will do my best to deliver it".


Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Angelo222 on July 12, 2016, 04:11:05 PM
So what happened to make Cameron change his mind?

Any takers??
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: John on July 12, 2016, 04:14:59 PM
So what happened to make Cameron change his mind?

Any takers??

#BrExit happened...  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Davel on July 12, 2016, 04:23:32 PM
Is this what you are looking for, David Cameron's interview with The Times published on the 18th June 2016?


Win or lose, I’m staying in No 10, declares Cameron

David Cameron declares today that he will continue as prime minister whether he wins or loses the EU referendum. He urges voters not to blame him if there is a vote for Brexit, even though a number of Tory ministers insist that under those circumstances he must go.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/win-or-lose-im-staying-in-no-10-declares-cameron-lht3wwfvs



Cameron at 3.50

20 February 2016

"You will decide and whatever your decision I will do my best to deliver it".



Doing his best to deliver it includes giving the job to someone else
Still no direct quote that he would stay in office
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: John on July 12, 2016, 04:47:10 PM
Doing his best to deliver it includes giving the job to someone else
Still no direct quote that he would stay in office

Really, "his best".  I think that's stretching it a bit even for you Dave.  Cameron changed his mind after he was beaten, get over it.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Davel on July 12, 2016, 05:02:54 PM
Really, "his best".  I think that's stretching it a bit even for you Dave.  Cameron changed his mind after he was beaten, get over it.

Ideally Cameron should have stayed put as he originally promised.


I still haven't seen where he promised this
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: ShiningInLuz on July 12, 2016, 05:15:13 PM
Doing his best to deliver it includes giving the job to someone else
Still no direct quote that he would stay in office
If "I will do my best to deliver it" can be interpreted as "I will resign in favour of whoever you get lumped with next" then it was slippier than something very slippy, straight out of Blackadder.

I'm in the 'he said he would implement it and didn't camp'.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Davel on July 12, 2016, 05:29:46 PM
If "I will do my best to deliver it" can be interpreted as "I will resign in favour of whoever you get lumped with next" then it was slippier than something very slippy, straight out of Blackadder.

I'm in the 'he said he would implement it and didn't camp'.

you can be in whatever camp you want but unless you can show where he said it you are very unconvincing...so where did he say he would implement it.....
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 12, 2016, 05:32:08 PM
#BrExit happened...  @)(++(*

The vote yes.

Implementation...

NO.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: ShiningInLuz on July 12, 2016, 07:29:09 PM
you can be in whatever camp you want but unless you can show where he said it you are very unconvincing...so where did he say he would implement it.....
"I will do my best to deliver it".  That would be the bit.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 12, 2016, 07:52:00 PM
The question I would like answered is, did Andrea Leadsom walk of her own volition or was she pushed?

There has been a really nasty smear campaign conducted against her by msm over the last week aimed at discrediting her.  The same msm which ran a pro Cameron remain campaign not so many weeks ago.

It is too bad that the home of democracy has yet again succumbed to the will of certain powerful newspaper barons who have a vested interest in keeping a Cameron stooge in power.

The Tories won a GE a little over 12 months ago.  DC stood down.  Five contenders entered their name into the race.  2 were eliminated by the internal voting system and 1 withdrew which left AL and TM.  AL decided to withdraw.  I don't see what qualifies AL for the role of PM anymore than many posters on this forum?

No doubt the security services started delving into her background and her cv, amongst other things, simply didn't stack up. 

I think the country is lucky to have someone of TM's calibre prepared to do the job, which is pretty much 24/7, for £143,462 pa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac6VJVDOOz4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV9XfMAzcdk
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Davel on July 12, 2016, 08:06:31 PM
"I will do my best to deliver it".  That would be the bit.

so hes passed the baton to someone else ...perhaps thats the best he could do
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on July 12, 2016, 09:09:21 PM
so hes passed the baton to someone else ...perhaps thats the best he could do

A bit like Thatcher, only he went before the Leadership challenge perhaps?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Davel on July 12, 2016, 09:12:02 PM
A bit like Thatcher, only he went before the Leadership challenge perhaps?

There is a lot of talk about the importance of family on this forum
He realised others could do the job and his family were more important
I agree with him
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on July 13, 2016, 10:32:24 AM
There is a lot of talk about the importance of family on this forum
He realised others could do the job and his family were more important
I agree with him

Cameron never mentioned any of that, did he?

How can you agree with something he didn't say?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Davel on July 13, 2016, 11:18:37 AM
Cameron never mentioned any of that, did he?

How can you agree with something he didn't say?

he doesn't have to say it...some of us are intuitive...strangely enough Katie Hopkins today says may could be better for the job because she has no family.
Post referendum Cameron found himself criticised by both the remainers and brexiters...I'm sure he didn't want to put his family through the nastiness he would find himself subject to...look at wimbledon...I don't blame him one bit.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on July 13, 2016, 12:04:00 PM
he doesn't have to say it...some of us are intuitive...strangely enough Katie Hopkins today says may could be better for the job because she has no family.
Post referendum Cameron found himself criticised by both the remainers and brexiters...I'm sure he didn't want to put his family through the nastiness he would find himself subject to...look at wimbledon...I don't blame him one bit.

The trouble with relying on intuition is that there's nothing to support it, it's purely subjective. It's value as a debating point is therefore nil.

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: ShiningInLuz on July 13, 2016, 12:06:28 PM
so hes passed the baton to someone else ...perhaps thats the best he could do
Then he should have said if Brexit passed the vote, he would step down.  It's called plain and simple English.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on July 13, 2016, 12:30:53 PM
Then he should have said if Brexit passed the vote, he would step down.  It's called plain and simple English.

My intuition tells me he was told to resign.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Davel on July 13, 2016, 01:33:29 PM
The trouble with relying on intuition is that there's nothing to support it, it's purely subjective. It's value as a debating point is therefore nil.

Much of what most people post here is subjective and I agree it has nil value
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alfie on July 13, 2016, 01:35:46 PM
Cameron has seemed very chipper about relinquishing his position, from his humming a little tune outside Downing St to his jolly quips in Parliament today.  One can't help but admire his attitude and wish him well. 
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Brietta on July 13, 2016, 02:36:01 PM
Cameron has seemed very chipper about relinquishing his position, from his humming a little tune outside Downing St to his jolly quips in Parliament today.  One can't help but admire his attitude and wish him well.

I think it is known as dignity, Alfie. 

Had he stayed ... as he was entitled to ... his party risked being rent asunder and the country along with it.

Now they can progress with running the country under new leadership as they watch the entertaining sidewhow taking place on the other side of the house.

Maybe the SNP initiative to take over as Her Majesty's Opposition is no longer as risible as it once was.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: John on July 13, 2016, 04:01:31 PM
I think it is known as dignity, Alfie. 

Had he stayed ... as he was entitled to ... his party risked being rent asunder and the country along with it.

Now they can progress with running the country under new leadership as they watch the entertaining sidewhow taking place on the other side of the house.

Maybe the SNP initiative to take over as Her Majesty's Opposition is no longer as risible as it once was.

Cameron always had the intention of presiding over No 10 and resigning before the next election but he sorely misjudged the current British electorate.   If ever there was a reason for proportional representation this was it.  Cameron thought he carried the electorate with him but his judgement was sadly lacking, he fell into the trap of thinking the people of London were representative of the UK...they aren't!

Cameron failed to win the Referendum despite the scaremongering, the attempts to use officialdom to persuade the undecided and the despicable threats to pensioners. All in all a rather nasty piece of work by any standards.  Cameron wrongly believed he would carry on just as before but he was wrong, he had to option but resign.

Now he has gone it is being left to Theresa May to pick up the broken pieces and forge a way through.  She has already stated that she will not invoke Article 50 until the end of the year thereby creating sufficient space to undertake the necessary soundings while the dust settles.



Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Davel on July 13, 2016, 04:27:58 PM
Cameron always had the intention of presiding over No 10 and resigning before the next election but he sorely misjudged the current British electorate.   If ever there was a reason for proportional representation this was it.  Cameron thought he carried the electorate with him but his judgement was sadly lacking, he fell into the trap of thinking the people of London were representative of the UK...they aren't!

Cameron failed to win the Referendum despite the scaremongering, the attempts to use officialdom to persuade the undecided and the despicable threats to pensioners. All in all a rather nasty piece of work by any standards.  Cameron wrongly believed he would carry on just as before but he was wrong, he had to option but resign.

Now he has gone it is being left to Theresa May to pick up the broken pieces and forge a way through.  She has already stated that she will not invoke Article 50 until the end of the year thereby creating sufficient space to undertake the necessary soundings while the dust settles.

I think Cameron realised things were going to get very nasty in politics and decided he didn't want to be involved
I certainly don't blame him
Go and enjoy your young family Dave
You will get nothing but nastiness from the great British public
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 13, 2016, 04:53:32 PM
I think Cameron realised things were going to get very nasty in politics and decided he didn't want to be involved
I certainly don't blame him
Go and enjoy your young family Dave
You will get nothing but nastiness from the great British public

My impression is that he wasn't that bad on the whole.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Angelo222 on July 13, 2016, 04:58:26 PM
My impression is that he wasn't that bad on the whole.

Agreed but like so many he fell just before the winning post.  I said before the referendum that Cameron would have to go and here we are with him handing over the reins to May this very afternoon.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: John on July 13, 2016, 05:28:05 PM
Theresa May meeting the Queen and will be installed as PM very shortly.

(http://i.imgur.com/Bn9LlOM.jpg)
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Myster on July 13, 2016, 06:06:28 PM
Those leopard skin shoes are getting some hammering.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on July 13, 2016, 06:22:17 PM
I think Cameron realised things were going to get very nasty in politics and decided he didn't want to be involved
I certainly don't blame him
Go and enjoy your young family Dave
You will get nothing but nastiness from the great British public

It started in the night as the referendum results went against him I expect. As with everything, if you put yourself out there you have to take the bad with the good. A politician is remembered for their mistakes; Thatcher = Poll Tax, Blair = Iraq war, Heath = 3 day week.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 13, 2016, 06:32:39 PM
Those leopard skin shoes are getting some hammering.

You never know. It could do wonders for the UK shoe manufacturing industry.... assuming that they aren't imported.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 13, 2016, 06:34:53 PM
It started in the night as the referendum results went against him I expect. As with everything, if you put yourself out there you have to take the bad with the good. A politician is remembered for their mistakes; Thatcher = Poll Tax, Blair = Iraq war, Heath = 3 day week.

True. People tend to get associated with what they got wrong and tend to forget whatever they got right, or didn't make worse.

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: John on July 13, 2016, 06:34:57 PM
New PM Theresa May back in 2003.

(http://i.imgur.com/XYog5Us.jpg)
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: John on July 13, 2016, 06:51:27 PM
May had wanted to be Britain's first female PM and was irritated
when Thatcher beat her into Number 10, claims friend.


(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/11/19/361F9AFF00000578-3684541-The_couple_met_while_studying_at_Oxford_where_the_then_Theresa_B-a-9_1468261965482.jpg)

Ambition: Theresa May puts her arm round her future husband Philip while studying at Oxford, where the then Theresa Brasier had told friends she wanted to be prime minister and was annoyed Mrs Thatcher beat her to it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3687797/May-wanted-Britain-s-female-PM-irritated-Thatcher-beat-Number-10-claims-friend.html
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: John on July 13, 2016, 06:57:41 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/A1F2fEp.jpg)

On the canvassing trail.    Theresa May first stood for Parliament in 1992 in North West Durham.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: John on July 13, 2016, 07:05:54 PM
Who is Theresa May: A profile of UK's next new prime minister

(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/791E/production/_90360013_may2.jpg)

The young Theresa Brasier at a function in the village hall.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36660372
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 13, 2016, 07:32:12 PM
Well, there is always an alternative..................

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/688557/glamour-model-Teresa-May-tweets-new-PM-Theresa-May


 @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alfie on July 13, 2016, 07:52:45 PM
Boris is back - as Foreign Secretary, Osborne out, Hammond in at the Exchequer
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 13, 2016, 08:09:50 PM
Well given Johnson's record as London Mayor, where he failed to deliver on the vast majority of his promises, I wouldn't trust him to organize a piss up in a brewery, with written instructions and in bold writing.


--------------------------------------------------------------------

Her Majesty's Principal Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, often informally referred to as the Foreign Secretary, is a senior official as one of the Great Offices of State within Her Majesty's Government and head of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. The office is a cabinet level position.

The Secretary of State's remit includes: relations with foreign countries, matters pertaining to the Commonwealth of Nations and the overseas territories in addition to the promotion of British interests abroad.[1]

The Foreign Secretary also has responsibility for the Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) and the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), which are directly accountable to this person.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_of_State_for_Foreign_and_Commonwealth_Affairs
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 13, 2016, 08:51:36 PM
Boris is back - as Foreign Secretary, Osborne out, Hammond in at the Exchequer

Boris.... foreign secretary??
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 13, 2016, 08:58:34 PM
Boris.... foreign secretary??

Yes Carana, Boris the walking disaster. %&5%£ %&5%£
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: misty on July 13, 2016, 09:02:01 PM
Boris.... foreign secretary??

It's a perfect fit imo.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 13, 2016, 09:41:37 PM
Boris.... foreign secretary??
I guess she does not want him outside the tent pissing in.
It is a smooth move in my book.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Davel on July 13, 2016, 09:42:17 PM
The problem is there is no opposition
The conservatives are the only electable party
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: sadie on July 13, 2016, 10:17:44 PM
The Tories won a GE a little over 12 months ago.  DC stood down.  Five contenders entered their name into the race.  2 were eliminated by the internal voting system and 1 withdrew which left AL and TM.  AL decided to withdraw.  I don't see what qualifies AL for the role of PM anymore than many posters on this forum?

No doubt the security services started delving into her background and her cv, amongst other things, simply didn't stack up. 

I think the country is lucky to have someone of TM's calibre prepared to do the job, which is pretty much 24/7, for £143,462 pa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac6VJVDOOz4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV9XfMAzcdk

A modern headmaster can earn almost that .... and have long holidays into the bargain.

TM stood head and shoulders above all the other candidates.  So glad that she made it thru. to PM.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 13, 2016, 11:42:42 PM
I guess she does not want him outside the tent pissing in.
It is a smooth move in my book.

Oddly enough, I was wondering if that was the case as well. Maybe he'll get stuck on a line again somewhere between the UK and China.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 14, 2016, 10:10:46 AM
American reaction from the appointment of Boris Johnson, just on Sky News...................

'You have to be kidding'

From the German Foreign Secretary  'Boris Johnson is an irresponsible politician', again on Sky News.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 14, 2016, 10:39:34 AM
American reaction from the appointment of Boris Johnson, just on Sky News...................

'You have to be kidding'

From the German Foreign Secretary  'Boris Johnson is an irresponsible politician', again on Sky News.


I'm having the same thoughts as Alice on this...
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 14, 2016, 10:58:45 AM

I'm having the same thoughts as Alice on this...

I read Alice's comment on this.

However, though appreciating his point, I would suggest Johnson is a loose cannon who often talks before he thinks, and his history of saying the wrong thing at the wrong time, along with telling lies which lost him his first job in journalism is well known.

Uncountably he uses the buffoon as a shell, but  I still believe he harbours a drive to get to number 10, and if May fails.....
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 14, 2016, 11:23:36 AM
Then there's this.................

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/theres-theory-boris-johnsons-appointment-080201790.html


Mmm.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 14, 2016, 11:35:45 AM
To put B.J,now there's an unfortunate set of initials, in perspective consider William Hague UK Foreign Secretary being one of Hillary Clinton's chief "agreers" and petticoat tuggers when she proposed and he agreed, as all good agreers do, siding with ISIL against Assad. Back in the days when good ol' Hills was Secretary of State.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 14, 2016, 11:54:21 AM
I read Alice's comment on this.

However, though appreciating his point, I would suggest Johnson is a loose cannon who often talks before he thinks, and his history of saying the wrong thing at the wrong time, along with telling lies which lost him his first job in journalism is well known.

Uncountably he uses the buffoon as a shell, but  I still believe he harbours a drive to get to number 10, and if May fails.....

I don't see the contradiction.... in the short term, IYSWIM
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 14, 2016, 12:00:01 PM
Then there's this.................

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/theres-theory-boris-johnsons-appointment-080201790.html


Mmm.


I see what you mean.

Three possibilities:

- He'll grow up
- He won't
- He'll pretend to


Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 14, 2016, 12:44:06 PM

I see what you mean.

Three possibilities:

- He'll grow up
- He won't
- He'll pretend to

Those Carana would appear to be the three most likely outcomes.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 14, 2016, 12:50:37 PM
The Guardian reports that the French Foreign Minister has called  B.J.  'A liar'.


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/14/french-foreign-minister-boris-johnson-is-a-liar-with-his-back-against-the-wall
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 14, 2016, 01:23:11 PM
Those Carana would appear to be the three most likely outcomes.

If confirmed, Jeremy Hunt remains as health secretary.


She couldn't possibly be making certain people put their money where their mouths once were... could she?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 14, 2016, 01:28:06 PM
The Guardian reports that the French Foreign Minister has called  B.J.  'A liar'.

It will all work out....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnRZZezXEAEX_WF.jpg)



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Post by: stephen25000 on July 14, 2016, 01:30:13 PM
It will all work out....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnRZZezXEAEX_WF.jpg)

B.J. at his best as a D.H. 8(0(*

Allegedly, of course.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on July 14, 2016, 01:41:22 PM
I've just realised the connotations of an earlier comment of mine.

It wasn't intentional.

On the other hand...
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: stephen25000 on July 14, 2016, 01:53:45 PM
I've just realised the connotations of an earlier comment of mine.

It wasn't intentional.

On the other hand...

 8(0(*
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Angelo222 on July 14, 2016, 05:40:22 PM
The Guardian reports that the French Foreign Minister has called  B.J.  'A liar'.


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/14/french-foreign-minister-boris-johnson-is-a-liar-with-his-back-against-the-wall

Who cares what a load of frogs say, well done Boris, a job well earned and fair play to lovely Theresa for seeing it.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Carana on July 14, 2016, 09:16:31 PM
Who cares what a load of frogs say, well done Boris, a job well earned and fair play to lovely Theresa for seeing it.

The former Prime Minister of Sweden:

Carl Bildt Verified account
‏@carlbildt

I wish it was a joke, but I fear it isn't. Exit upon exit.

https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/753303826971713536
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Myster on July 14, 2016, 09:31:43 PM
The former Prime Minister of Sweden:

Carl Bildt Verified account
‏@carlbildt

I wish it was a joke, but I fear it isn't. Exit upon exit.

https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/753303826971713536 (https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/753303826971713536)

Seems a lot of Swedish twitterers aren't too hot on Bildt.  @)(++(*   
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Carana on July 14, 2016, 09:42:34 PM
Seems a lot of Swedish twitterers aren't too hot on Bildt.  @)(++(*

Quite possibly.

But appointing a foreign secretary who has managed to insult almost as many people as Trump just has to be part of a clever plan of some kind...
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: Angelo222 on July 20, 2016, 05:32:22 PM
Quite possibly.

But appointing a foreign secretary who has managed to insult almost as many people as Trump just has to be part of a clever plan of some kind...

Good on him, a new fresh politics at last. No more Mr Nice Guy.

As far as Theresa is concerned though and after all, this is what the thread is about, she had a woffing great first PM's questions today, totally humiliated Jez by all accounts.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: stephen25000 on July 20, 2016, 05:37:12 PM
Good on him, a new fresh politics at last. No more Mr Nice Guy.

He has never been a 'nice guy'.

Just a nasty little shi##e pretending to be a buffoon, and play to the crowds.

Unfortunately for him as we saw with the interview yesterday, when confronted with what he is by the American Journalist, he got a taste of his own medicine.

Kerry's reaction was poignant.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: John on July 23, 2016, 02:01:47 PM
He has never been a 'nice guy'.

Just a nasty little shi##e pretending to be a buffoon, and play to the crowds.

Unfortunately for him as we saw with the interview yesterday, when confronted with what he is by the American Journalist, he got a taste of his own medicine.

Kerry's reaction was poignant.

Boris has seen it all before during his tenure as Major of London.  I should think this particular storm was a one day wonder.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: stephen25000 on July 23, 2016, 02:13:31 PM
Boris has seen it all before during his tenure as Major of London.  I should think this particular storm was a one day wonder.

The American journalist in the press conference with Kerry, nailed to the perch exactly what B.J. is. %£&)**#
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: John on July 23, 2016, 02:31:05 PM
The American journalist in the press conference with Kerry, nailed to the perch exactly what B.J. is. %£&)**#

You've heard of Teflon Tony, now meet Beeswax Boris.   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM
Post by: stephen25000 on July 23, 2016, 03:09:51 PM
You've heard of Teflon Tony, now meet Beeswax Boris.   @)(++(*

Too late for that.

However, Boris the B.S. artist would be more appropriate. £4%4%
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on December 12, 2018, 09:30:15 AM
Will May be defeated? Will Boris have his day and drag the UK kicking and screaming out of the EU? Or will Corbyn and Sturgeon join forces and bring the Tory Government down? Interesting times.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Sunny on December 12, 2018, 09:32:47 AM
Will May be defeated? Will Boris have his day and drag the UK kicking and screaming out of the EU? Or will Corbyn and Sturgeon join forces and bring the Tory Government down? Interesting times.

Unfortunately you are correct G-Unit. The worrying thing is where will all their shenanigans leave us..the plebs.  We seem to be last on the priorities for all the political elite. They want power nothing else.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on December 12, 2018, 10:33:17 AM
Unfortunately you are correct G-Unit. The worrying thing is where will all their shenanigans leave us..the plebs.  We seem to be last on the priorities for all the political elite. They want power nothing else.

I'm disgusted actually. They asked the people to vote and they did. The result wasn't what the politicians wanted so they accused each other of lying and the people of being stupid or racist. They then turned their attention to sabotaging Theresa May's efforts. She seems to be the only one with any integrity from where I'm standing. If the politicians can reject democracy I see no reason for the people to abide by it either.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 12, 2018, 01:01:32 PM
Imagine if any other organisations carried on like this ie arguing continuously in public!  And all performed by the very people who are supposed to set an example!  The political commentators lap it up as though they are featuring in their very own SOAP!  I bet the cartoonists working on the pages of Europe's newspapers are having a field day!

The problem as I see it is that political advertising isn't covered by the Advertising Standards Authority therefore the Borris bus was allowed to swan around the country with impunity misleading ordinary people into thinking come out of the EU and we will have an extra 350 million quid per day going into the NHS.



 
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Myster on December 12, 2018, 02:09:25 PM
Imagine if any other organisations carried on like this ie arguing continuously in public!  And all performed by the very people who are supposed to set an example!  The political commentators lap it up as though they are featuring in their very own SOAP!  I bet the cartoonists working on the pages of Europe's newspapers are having a field day!

The problem as I see it is that political advertising isn't covered by the Advertising Standards Authority therefore the Borris bus was allowed to swan around the country with impunity misleading ordinary people into thinking come out of the EU and we will have an extra 350 million quid per day going into the NHS.

No need to worry about European jokers, we have one or two of our own.

Both mild... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/)

and cruel... https://twitter.com/DaveBrownToons (https://twitter.com/DaveBrownToons)
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on December 12, 2018, 09:50:09 PM
Will May be defeated? Will Boris have his day and drag the UK kicking and screaming out of the EU? Or will Corbyn and Sturgeon join forces and bring the Tory Government down? Interesting times.

"Interesting" unless you're stuck in the middle of it, not knowing from one day to the next WTF is going on.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 13, 2018, 04:08:45 PM
"Interesting" unless you're stuck in the middle of it, not knowing from one day to the next WTF is going on.

About a year ago we passed an act of parliament that says we shall keep EU laws.
If we want to trade with a member of the EU then any product has to comply with EU standards and be CE marked.
Our standards have been harmonised with EU standards for 20 years or more.
Our borders are open to all citizens of former commonwealth countries.

So come April 1st 2019 an English company is awarded a contract by a German company to build a pressure vessel for use in Lithuania. Cutting to the chase the onus is on the German company not to import a vessel that does not comply with Pressure Equipment Directive 97/23/EC.The onus is on the Lithuanians not to put into service a vessel that does not comply with Pressure Equipment Directive 97/23/EC.
"Comply or it don't 'appen squire". So much for being free of the European yoke!!! This obtains whatever the result of the present hokeycokey.
The present mess was predictable from the moment the courts upheld that parliament not the government had to agree,by vote, to the result of negotiations with the EU.
 *%87
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on December 13, 2018, 05:30:48 PM
About a year ago we passed an act of parliament that says we shall keep EU laws.
If we want to trade with a member of the EU then any product has to comply with EU standards and be CE marked.
Our standards have been harmonised with EU standards for 20 years or more.
Our borders are open to all citizens of former commonwealth countries.

So come April 1st 2019 an English company is awarded a contract by a German company to build a pressure vessel for use in Lithuania. Cutting to the chase the onus is on the German company not to import a vessel that does not comply with Pressure Equipment Directive 97/23/EC.The onus is on the Lithuanians not to put into service a vessel that does not comply with Pressure Equipment Directive 97/23/EC.
"Comply or it don't 'appen squire". So much for being free of the European yoke!!! This obtains whatever the result of the present hokeycokey.
The present mess was predictable from the moment the courts upheld that parliament not the government had to agree,by vote, to the result of negotiations with the EU.
 *%87

The precedent was set when Britain entered the EEC and again when it entered the EU. Parliament approved those decisions and the terms, so could hardly be excluded from the process of leaving.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 13, 2018, 08:12:46 PM
The precedent was set when Britain entered the EEC and again when it entered the EU. Parliament approved those decisions and the terms, so could hardly be excluded from the process of leaving.

The difficulty being who makes the first move and how?
Take it as Green Leader and Green Gang and Blue Leader and Blue Gang.
Green Leader agrees a deal with Blue Leader and Blue Gang. Green Gang say we don't like that chief we will not vote for it. Or the other way round if you like. It has the potential to go on for ever with someone looking a charlie because their negotiators do not have the authority to agree anything and have to keep referring back. Worse than that they don't seem much inclined to solve the problem, rather score political points.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on December 14, 2018, 07:07:46 AM
The difficulty being who makes the first move and how?
Take it as Green Leader and Green Gang and Blue Leader and Blue Gang.
Green Leader agrees a deal with Blue Leader and Blue Gang. Green Gang say we don't like that chief we will not vote for it. Or the other way round if you like. It has the potential to go on for ever with someone looking a charlie because their negotiators do not have the authority to agree anything and have to keep referring back. Worse than that they don't seem much inclined to solve the problem, rather score political points.

They all seem to be entrenched in their own positions and have no desire to be flexible. Richard Branson has just had his say on TV and says leaving without a deal would be catastrophic. He says the pound would collapse and businesses such as his would suffer because people wouldn't be able to afford to use his airline. No self-interest there then. He also said we were the most prosperous country in the EU before the referendum, but he's wrong about that. Germany's GDP has been greater than ours every year.

Who can we believe? Everyone has an axe to grind imo.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Sunny on December 14, 2018, 07:23:27 AM
They all seem to be entrenched in their own positions and have no desire to be flexible. Richard Branson has just had his say on TV and says leaving without a deal would be catastrophic. He says the pound would collapse and businesses such as his would suffer because people wouldn't be able to afford to use his airline. No self-interest there then. He also said we were the most prosperous country in the EU before the referendum, but he's wrong about that. Germany's GDP has been greater than ours every year.

Who can we believe? Everyone has an axe to grind imo.

The are all in it for themselves. Whatever colour the logo and whatever side of the bench they sit.

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on December 14, 2018, 08:51:26 AM
The are all in it for themselves. Whatever colour the logo and whatever side of the bench they sit.

They have lost the trust of the people and it's all their own faults. It's them who have lied, twisted and turned all through this process. Cameron didn't do much of note, but he has got his place in history for causing this mess.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on December 14, 2018, 04:01:02 PM
About a year ago we passed an act of parliament that says we shall keep EU laws.
If we want to trade with a member of the EU then any product has to comply with EU standards and be CE marked.
Our standards have been harmonised with EU standards for 20 years or more.
Our borders are open to all citizens of former commonwealth countries.

So come April 1st 2019 an English company is awarded a contract by a German company to build a pressure vessel for use in Lithuania. Cutting to the chase the onus is on the German company not to import a vessel that does not comply with Pressure Equipment Directive 97/23/EC.The onus is on the Lithuanians not to put into service a vessel that does not comply with Pressure Equipment Directive 97/23/EC.
"Comply or it don't 'appen squire". So much for being free of the European yoke!!! This obtains whatever the result of the present hokeycokey.
The present mess was predictable from the moment the courts upheld that parliament not the government had to agree,by vote, to the result of negotiations with the EU.
 *%87

I agree with most of that, except for "The present mess was predictable from the moment the courts upheld that parliament not the government had to agree,by vote, to the result of negotiations with the EU."

TBH, I find that May really has tried to navigate through the chaos towards some kind of half-way house, but has made several huge mistakes along the way  - the first of which was precipitating A50.

My observation is that there are so many factions within the government (currently Tory as we know), ranging from centrist to lala land.

However, I'm not at all convinced that a Labour government wouldn't have been just as divided.

No one seems to be adressing the underlying issues that caused people to vote for Brexit, many of which appear to be the fault of successive UK governments, of whichever flavour. At the same time, I don't know anyone who thinks the EU  is perfect, but wouldn't it be better to continue to have seats at the table (72 MEPs), as opposed to none?

At least until some bright spark eventually finds how leaving could actually be beneficial to the UK?


Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on December 14, 2018, 04:13:50 PM
They all seem to be entrenched in their own positions and have no desire to be flexible. Richard Branson has just had his say on TV and says leaving without a deal would be catastrophic. He says the pound would collapse and businesses such as his would suffer because people wouldn't be able to afford to use his airline. No self-interest there then. He also said we were the most prosperous country in the EU before the referendum, but he's wrong about that. Germany's GDP has been greater than ours every year.

Who can we believe? Everyone has an axe to grind imo.

Businesses relying on international trade / movement are obviously pleading for their corner.

But which UK-based businesses would benefit? Not even a UK B&B, IMO.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on December 14, 2018, 04:19:54 PM
The difficulty being who makes the first move and how?
Take it as Green Leader and Green Gang and Blue Leader and Blue Gang.
Green Leader agrees a deal with Blue Leader and Blue Gang. Green Gang say we don't like that chief we will not vote for it. Or the other way round if you like. It has the potential to go on for ever with someone looking a charlie because their negotiators do not have the authority to agree anything and have to keep referring back. Worse than that they don't seem much inclined to solve the problem, rather score political points.


It really does need a bi-partisan approach.

If an entity wished to create total chaos, how bettter to do this than to create division across all parties?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on December 14, 2018, 10:20:22 PM
Businesses relying on international trade / movement are obviously pleading for their corner.

But which UK-based businesses would benefit? Not even a UK B&B, IMO.

The B & B's might do well if the airlines collapsed or no one could afford holidays overseas anyway.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 15, 2018, 12:21:47 AM
Businesses relying on international trade / movement are obviously pleading for their corner.

But which UK-based businesses would benefit? Not even a UK B&B, IMO.

If we go " No Deal we are out of here" other countries outside the EU will benefit by being able to offload substandard gear on to us. Some of our larger more reputable stores are already trying it on.

UK suffers from complacency. Middle East sixty years ago the four track of choice was a LandRover we were the incumbent as it were. By 1990 it was all bloody Toyotas. That takes some doing. Ditto the Austin Maxi.Since the Maxi every family car [except BMW who think the world is out of step with them]is five door five speed front wheel drive and transverse engine. How many UK companies make cars?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on December 15, 2018, 02:08:28 AM
If we go " No Deal we are out of here" other countries outside the EU will benefit by being able to offload substandard gear on to us. Some of our larger more reputable stores are already trying it on.

UK suffers from complacency. Middle East sixty years ago the four track of choice was a LandRover we were the incumbent as it were. By 1990 it was all bloody Toyotas. That takes some doing. Ditto the Austin Maxi.Since the Maxi every family car [except BMW who think the world is out of step with them]is five door five speed front wheel drive and transverse engine. How many UK companies make cars?

Not many are British-owned any more, although quite a few are made / assembled in the UK. No idea what will happen to all those jobs.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/102606/eu-warnings-put-post-brexit-uk-car-manufacturing-at-risk
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on May 25, 2019, 07:54:55 AM
How did they manage to persuade May to go? My guess is they have had advance warning of the results of the EU elections. Has Farage got the Tories on the run again? I think maybe he has.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on May 25, 2019, 08:02:47 AM
How did they manage to persuade May to go? My guess is they have had advance warning of the results of the EU elections. Has Farage got the Tories on the run again? I think maybe he has.
I doubt the. Tories have any greater i side knowledge about thr results of the EU than us or the media, and even the most ill informed could probably have hazarded a guess that the Brexit Party will far outperform the Tories at this election.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on May 25, 2019, 08:53:00 AM
How did they manage to persuade May to go? My guess is they have had advance warning of the results of the EU elections. Has Farage got the Tories on the run again? I think maybe he has.

The problem with May and most politicians is they are in it for themselves they become power hungry- they feel like they rule us and not serve us. there in lies the problems.

The civil service who actually run the country is filled with jackasses- them what is connected- THEY HAVE NO IDEA what is going on in the real world and to make matters worse it is now taking twatter as a political feed to make new policies. so when the luvvies cry wolf they CS shoots first and asks questions later!

The EU is a huge political arena not a 'common market place at all' it is unfair how the money is collected and dished out. Dictats are beibg served as laws by most Uk civil servants because they are too stupid to understand how it all works. and no one is going to tell them!   The Uk does not need another level of laws we have too many as it is and even now sharia is being let in via a back door- being sold a a fair and nice peaceful way to sort out local issues.. OH Really that isn't what is being unreported.    No one seems to have a say in how their community is run unless it is a minority community and we really should have minority communities anyway!

We need the 'charities'= big corporations' to pack up and leave this country. They are a root cause of misery being peddled across nations. With their sad stories and propaganda used to raise cash for the fat cat CEOs.

So who has the b@lls to take this on?  not Boris oh god no.. Mr Hunt... erm argh...GOVE has a hard head...
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on June 10, 2019, 10:42:31 PM
Well off they go. Boris is allegedly the favourite, Gove has a problem from his past, Hunt is imo another May and I don't think I'm the only one who might find McVey irritating. Why any of them want the job at this moment in time I can't imagine. Like the Grand National, favourites seldom win, so it's anyone's guess who'll get the job in my opinion.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 10, 2019, 11:06:33 PM

All the times Jeremy Hunt’s name has been mispronounced (on tape)

https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/10/times-jeremy-hunts-name-mispronounced-tape-9885440/
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 10, 2019, 11:16:44 PM

Sajid Javid could be the virtue signallers PM of choice.

Look just how inclusive we are, we've given you Female PM's & now we have the first Pakistani!

Problem with that is, Javid has been critical of the Muslim community with regards to terrorism, kind of throws a spanner in them works.

I can't see who would really want to take up the poisoned chalice right now.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on June 11, 2019, 08:18:07 AM
All the times Jeremy Hunt’s name has been mispronounced (on tape)

https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/10/times-jeremy-hunts-name-mispronounced-tape-9885440/

I can just imagine them all giggling like kids in the playground. I think he may be seen as a safer choice than Johnson or Gove.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on June 11, 2019, 05:06:54 PM
Any of those who think that they're going to take over and renegotiate the WA in any substantial way can't be serious, IMO.

On the other hand, I suppose being able to have your name down in history as a PM might look impressive on a visiting card, even if for only a few months or a year.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2019, 05:14:23 PM
Is anyone else finding it all rather worrying?
I was going to say depressing but I'm not depressed as yet.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 11, 2019, 05:16:32 PM
Is anyone else finding it all rather worrying?
I was going to say depressing but I'm not depressed as yet.

Not in the slightest, don't worry about it, I mean, could anyone really do a worse job than Theresa May?!
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2019, 05:24:56 PM
Not in the slightest, don't worry about it, I mean, could anyone really do a worse job than Theresa May?!

Did you notice my punctuation has improved?

Now, not using my very inadequate phone but now using my much easier to use tablet!

I've no idea of who could do a better or worse job than Theresa May as the Prime Minister.

We shall have to wait and see who the Conservative members of Parliament choose and then the members of the Conservative Party choose!

That's the democratic way.

Allegedly.


Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2019, 05:53:47 PM
Is anyone else finding it all rather worrying?
I was going to say depressing but I'm not depressed as yet.
I can’t wait for Boris to be PM and save us all from the wicked EU, just like Churchill saved us from the Nazis.   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2019, 05:54:32 PM
Not in the slightest, don't worry about it, I mean, could anyone really do a worse job than Theresa May?!
Yes they could, very much so.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 11, 2019, 05:56:09 PM
I can’t wait for Boris to be PM and save us all from the wicked EU, just like Churchill saved us from the Nazis.   @)(++(*

Can't see Boris getting in myself. I doubt enough MP's will support him.

Whoever gets in will only last until the next election anyways, then Jeremy Corbyn can take his rightful place as PM.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2019, 06:09:17 PM
Can't see Boris getting in myself. I doubt enough MP's will support him.

Whoever gets in will only last until the next election anyways, then Jeremy Corbyn can take his rightful place as PM.
God help us all  8(8-))
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2019, 06:23:39 PM
Can't see Boris getting in myself. I doubt enough MP's will support him.

Whoever gets in will only last until the next election anyways, then Jeremy Corbyn can take his rightful place as PM.

Anxiety increasing!
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Myster on June 11, 2019, 07:11:51 PM
I think Jeremy Stunt will get in because all the male members seem to be attracted to his pretty Japanese Chinese wife, although her knobbly-knees might just count against him.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7124569/Jeremy-Hunts-wife-Lucia-smiles-striking-red-dress-pitches-Tory-leader.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7124569/Jeremy-Hunts-wife-Lucia-smiles-striking-red-dress-pitches-Tory-leader.html)
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2019, 09:12:33 PM
I think Jeremy Stunt will get in because all the male members seem to be attracted to his pretty Japanese Chinese wife, although her knobbly-knees might just count against him.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7124569/Jeremy-Hunts-wife-Lucia-smiles-striking-red-dress-pitches-Tory-leader.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7124569/Jeremy-Hunts-wife-Lucia-smiles-striking-red-dress-pitches-Tory-leader.html)
Well that’s a good a reason as any I suppose!
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on June 11, 2019, 10:33:23 PM
WTF is happening to the UK?

Who might have an interest in:

a. the UK leaving with no deal with its largest and nearest trading partner

b. breaking up the UK

Cui bono?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on June 11, 2019, 11:13:18 PM

Kate Hoey
‏Verified account @KateHoeyMP

I don’t watch @BBCWorld often but tonight in Minsk I am disappointed to listen to biased reporting from @robwatsonbbc on Brexit. Seems that international viewers only get a pro EU take on UK leaving the EU and negative coverage of anyone wanting a WTO deal.

https://twitter.com/KateHoeyMP/status/1138178020093628418

What on earth is a "WTO deal"?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2019, 11:16:05 PM
WTF is happening to the UK?

Who might have an interest in:

a. the UK leaving with no deal with its largest and nearest trading partner

b. breaking up the UK

Cui bono?
Search me, we’ve all gone bonkers.  I want to move to Germany but I guess it won’t be that straightforward now :-/
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: G-Unit on June 13, 2019, 10:52:29 PM
Boris is well ahead then, with Hunt trailing him. Gove's had it imo unless Boris looses it and plants his foot in his mouth.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Erngath on June 13, 2019, 11:48:21 PM
Boris is well ahead then, with Hunt trailing him. Gove's had it imo unless Boris looses it and plants his foot in his mouth.

Utterly and seriously worried now. 8(8-))
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 14, 2019, 08:00:21 AM
Utterly and seriously worried now. 8(8-))
#metoo though there is a school of thought that the only person charming and loveable and two faced enough to save us from Brexit is dear ol’ Boris.  We shall see...
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on June 15, 2019, 10:55:34 AM
Words fail me...

Boris Johnson published a poem joking about the 'extermination' of the 'verminous' Scottish people

https://www.businessinsider.fr/us/boris-johnson-published-poem-friendly-fire-james-michie-extermination-of-scottish-people-2019-6
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Erngath on June 15, 2019, 01:50:48 PM
Words fail me...

Boris Johnson published a poem joking about the 'extermination' of the 'verminous' Scottish people

https://www.businessinsider.fr/us/boris-johnson-published-poem-friendly-fire-james-michie-extermination-of-scottish-people-2019-6


I do wish words would fail him!
His credibility is rock bottom here and is regarded as a clown.
He's an eejit.
Please tell me he is not going to be Prime Minister.

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 15, 2019, 04:42:41 PM
Boris is well ahead then, with Hunt trailing him. Gove's had it imo unless Boris looses it and plants his foot in his mouth.

Well that is the problem isn't it.. his foot is never too far from his mouth!

He will miss travelling by bike if he gets PM- maybe he hasn't thougth this through lol
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 15, 2019, 04:52:58 PM
Words fail me...

Boris Johnson published a poem joking about the 'extermination' of the 'verminous' Scottish people

https://www.businessinsider.fr/us/boris-johnson-published-poem-friendly-fire-james-michie-extermination-of-scottish-people-2019-6

 @)(++(*

I thought this was tongue in cheek humour- I found it hilarious! Not offended at all, but then I do not take offence where none was intended or directed at me personally.

I have heard much worse said about English and Welsh in pubs/restaurants...

SNP have a few nasty things to say about the English in closed shop doors.

I say leave the bickering to those who like to bicker.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Erngath on June 15, 2019, 05:40:13 PM
@)(++(*

I thought this was tongue in cheek humour- I found it hilarious! Not offended at all, but then I do not take offence where none was intended or directed at me personally.

I have heard much worse said about English and Welsh in pubs/restaurants...

SNP have a few nasty things to say about the English in closed shop doors.

I say leave the bickering to those who like to bicker.

I'm not offended by it either.
I doubt many Scots would be.
He is such an idiot, I doubt anyone cares.
However he is most likely to be our next Prime Minister.
Pardon me if I don't find that thought pleasant.

Who would you prefer to be the next Prime Minister of the UK?
Or is Boris your preferred candidate?

I don't have a vote in who.it will be.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 15, 2019, 06:18:12 PM
I'm not offended by it either.
I doubt many Scots would be.
He is such an idiot, I doubt anyone cares.
However he is most likely to be our next Prime Minister.
Pardon me if I don't find that thought pleasant.

Who would you prefer to be the next Prime Minister of the UK?
Or is Boris your preferred candidate?

I don't have a vote in who.it will be.

I think my personal views on BOJO are very clear. Not that i neeed to disclose to you my voting preferences or political alliance if I had one.

Oh Carana, seems you have scored an own goal with the poem thing- not stirring hatred of everthing bojo.

He comes across as a bufoon- he might be smarter than you give him credit for- never underestimate the power of stupid people!

He is not a one off- the UK is awash with men like him- country is run by such men.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Erngath on June 15, 2019, 06:55:59 PM
I think my personal views on BOJO are very clear. Not that i neeed to disclose to you my voting preferences or political alliance if I had one.

Oh Carana, seems you have scored an own goal with the poem thing- not stirring hatred of everthing bojo.

He comes across as a bufoon- he might be smarter than you give him credit for- never underestimate the power of stupid people!

He is not a one off- the UK is awash with men like him- country is run by such men.

I think you have misunderstood Carana.
I doubt she was interested in scoring any goal.
Perhaps we Scots recognise that Boris is an idiot and laugh at his ridiculous opinion.
However possibly Carana sees a much bigger picture of how this Bufoon as you have named him will possibly become the next Prime Minister and perhaps his idiotic behaviour will not be as easily excused by other nations.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 15, 2019, 07:24:18 PM
I think you have misunderstood Carana.
I doubt she was interested in scoring any goal.
Perhaps we Scots recognise that Boris is an idiot and laugh at his ridiculous opinion.
However possibly Carana sees a much bigger picture of how this Bufoon as you have named him will possibly become the next Prime Minister and perhaps his idiotic behaviour will not be as easily excused by other nations.

Carana may well see her/him self as political protagonist, and head girl/boy in all things UK.

But let us keep this real. caranna's musing is very much to stirr the minds of those whos minds cannot be infected with romantic notions about good and bad politicians.
 Otherwise we would see  a balanced independat take on all parties and all versions of 'the truth' as spewed by any politician.

Carana has shown political bias, therfore ruled out of the 'independant' thinker camp.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Erngath on June 15, 2019, 07:40:37 PM
Carana may well see her/him self as political protagonist, and head girl/boy in all things UK.

But let us keep this real. caranna's musing is very much to stirr the minds of those whos minds cannot be infected with romantic notions about good and bad politicians.
 Otherwise we would see  a balanced independat take on all parties and all versions of 'the truth' as spewed by any politician.

Carana has shown political bias, therfore ruled out of the 'independant' thinker camp.

Whatever. Lol.
I'm sure Carana will respond.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 15, 2019, 11:40:44 PM
Whatever. Lol.
I'm sure Carana will respond.
Did you understand that?  *%87
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Erngath on June 15, 2019, 11:47:03 PM
Did you understand that?  *%87

I did try.
I think I did?
Remember I did  have to read  expressive writing essays by nine year old children.

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2019, 09:33:05 AM
Carana may well see her/him self as political protagonist, and head girl/boy in all things UK.

But let us keep this real. caranna's musing is very much to stirr the minds of those whos minds cannot be infected with romantic notions about good and bad politicians.
 Otherwise we would see  a balanced independat take on all parties and all versions of 'the truth' as spewed by any politician.

Carana has shown political bias, therfore ruled out of the 'independant' thinker camp.

Tongue-in-cheek or not, I didn't find his comments about "exterminating" the Scottish "vermin" amusing in the slightest. And I'm not Scottish.

I didn't find his ditty about a certain foreign head of state to be at the height of famed British diplomacy, either. And I'm not Turkish.

I find UKIP's nationalistic, anti-Muslim, stance dangerous. And I'm not Muslim.

I also found Corbyn's apparent unwillingness to crack down on anti-Semitic comments just as disturbing for a potential future head of government. And I'm not Jewish.

Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2019, 10:45:46 AM
https://youtu.be/SD074gVx-9A


What did you do, Daddy, when they kicked down the neighbour's door?

What did you do, Daddy, in the Brexit Civil War?

First, they came for little Mo.

Then, they came for Gert.

Véronique just disappeared.

And it was weird what they did to good ol' Bert.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 16, 2019, 03:24:07 PM
Did you understand that?  *%87



and this

"I did try.
I think I did?
Remember I did  have to read  expressive writing essays by nine year old children.
"
Read some posts by VS AND ERG  this image came to mind :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2Pt-FC3jUY


and to think John had asked for the sniping to stop  tsk tsk.

Marking 9 yearolds... not the greatest level to be marking at if you are really super clever and all that....
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 16, 2019, 03:25:59 PM
Tongue-in-cheek or not, I didn't find his comments about "exterminating" the Scottish "vermin" amusing in the slightest. And I'm not Scottish.

I didn't find his ditty about a certain foreign head of state to be at the height of famed British diplomacy, either. And I'm not Turkish.

I find UKIP's nationalistic, anti-Muslim, stance dangerous. And I'm not Muslim.

I also found Corbyn's apparent unwillingness to crack down on anti-Semitic comments just as disturbing for a potential future head of government. And I'm not Jewish.


There, there not to diffficult was it?  spread your anxiety a bit, be more inclusive in your criticism.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Erngath on June 16, 2019, 03:35:54 PM


and this

"I did try.
I think I did?
Remember I did  have to read  expressive writing essays by nine year old children.
"
Read some posts by VS AND ERG  this image came to mind :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2Pt-FC3jUY


and to think John had asked for the sniping to stop  tsk tsk.

Marking 9 yearolds... not the greatest level to be marking at if you are really super clever and all that....




VS,
Have a look.
Which one are you?
 (&^&

I'm insulted.!
Will be reported!


Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 16, 2019, 03:36:22 PM
https://youtu.be/SD074gVx-9A


What did you do, Daddy, when they kicked down the neighbour's door?

What did you do, Daddy, in the Brexit Civil War?

First, they came for little Mo.

Then, they came for Gert.

Véronique just disappeared.

And it was weird what they did to good ol' Bert.


Berxit civil war? WTF.. where, when?

people will paint pictures, write stories, and poems which some people will take offence to... you take on offence in a  stratospheric level!


You either cannot or do not want to address issues which many others do want to have adressed.

So it is a battle of the wills.  You are arming yourself with the wrong choice of weapons against an supposed enemy you do not know. I don't fancy your chances in stopping brexit or even exits from other EU countries.

I belive the UK needs more independant candidates to become MPs to waterdown or remove the party bickering and hold on  the UK constituences.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2019, 03:53:23 PM

I belive the UK needs more independant candidates to become MPs to waterdown or remove the party bickering and hold on  the UK constituences.

I agree with you on that point.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2019, 04:26:39 PM


and this

"I did try.
I think I did?
Remember I did  have to read  expressive writing essays by nine year old children.
"
Read some posts by VS AND ERG  this image came to mind :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2Pt-FC3jUY


and to think John had asked for the sniping to stop  tsk tsk.

Marking 9 yearolds... not the greatest level to be marking at if you are really super clever and all that....
Funnily enough when I read your posts I am often reminded of this

https://youtu.be/qbyZRu53tgs
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Carana on June 16, 2019, 04:58:29 PM

There, there not to diffficult was it?  spread your anxiety a bit, be more inclusive in your criticism.

Should I take that to mean that you don't espouse extremist views either?
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 18, 2019, 08:12:31 PM




VS,
Have a look.
Which one are you?
 (&^&

I'm insulted.!
Will be reported!

 8(0(*
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 18, 2019, 08:22:13 PM
Should I take that to mean that you don't espouse extremist views either?

Well that depends, if you can describe what extremist views are I can give a definitive answer.

I complain about muslim women being  kidknapped, murdered, forced into marriages, FGM  and I am called a rascist and islamophobe... funnily enough the muslim women who have been exposed to these things and survived  think I am a great person.. ^*&&
 Mutliculturism does create division this has been evidenced.  That statement  is rascist as well according to those with such a high moral stance= attendion seeking ,band wagon jumping celebrities.

I am also very happy to distinguish between a genuine asylum seeker and an illegal immigrant here to cause trouble.  This is also seen as rascism  I call it opinion based on evidence and use my freedom of speech to discuss such issues.

But you can call me a rascist and islamophone if you like- I am so NOT offended.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 05, 2020, 10:55:47 PM
Can't see Boris getting in myself. I doubt enough MP's will support him.

Whoever gets in will only last until the next election anyways, then Jeremy Corbyn can take his rightful place as PM.
@)(++(* sorry, just found this expert bit of predicting.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 05, 2020, 11:24:20 PM
@)(++(* sorry, just found this expert bit of predicting.

Yeah, I wasn't being serious about the Corbyn bit.
But I didn't seriously expect Boris to be the Tories pick as leader, given his racist, homophobic & sexist witterings...but then again, no, that makes him the perfect Tory leader.
Title: Re: Who will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and by default, the PM?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 05, 2020, 11:34:21 PM
Yeah, I wasn't being serious about the Corbyn bit.
But I didn't seriously expect Boris to be the Tories pick as leader, given his racist, homophobic & sexist witterings...but then again, no, that makes him the perfect Tory leader.
Boris, a man after your own heart.