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Title: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 23, 2016, 10:11:38 AM
I saw this article last night, which to me epitomizes what is wrong with modern politics. The strike of the sound bite and hot air, from men such as these, whom I would not  even trust to put on a plaster.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kids-deserve-better-ruthless-narcissists-8475642


' Kids deserve better than ruthless narcissists like Boris Johnson and Donald Trump '

' Bojo and Trump are spoilt little rich boys who spin the line that they’re rebelling against the Establishment says Brian Reade '
   

It came as no surprise to read that today’s young people will officially be the first generation to end up poorer than their parents.

They’ll earn less money, have more debt, work longer for worse pensions and live at home until their mum’s hands are too frail to scrub their smalls. So bad is their luck that when they are finally offered their own place it will be in an over 55s sheltered housing scheme, and their dad will have got there first.

The baby-boomer generation I belong to should hang its head in shame. Well the men at least, because women could argue they have lifted the ambitions of their own gender. They can claim, as Theresa, Angela, Nicola and possibly Hillary run entire countries, they’ve produced inspirational role models.

What about the boys?

Specifically, the boys of Britain and America, where the most high-profile and powerful male politicians are Boris Johnson and Donald Trump.


Two disloyal, deceitful narcissists, who are utterly consumed with their own personal ambition and willing to crush anyone, and anything including their nation’s best interests, to achieve power. And that’s without mentioning the hair.

Outside of a serial killer, or a train-spotter, if there was one thing you prayed your son wouldn’t turn into, it would be either of these two sociopaths.



The parallels are striking. Both are spoilt little rich boys who spin the line that they’re rebelling against the Establishment, when they are only rebelling against anyone who doesn’t buy into their belief that they were born to rule. Both are political turncoats who feel facts only get in the way of emotionally charged lies that resonate with the disenfranchised.

Both have the attention span of a gnat, believing most of their audience does too. That’s why they speak in populist, at times racist soundbites, with no depth too low to be plumbed. For Trump’s walls to stop Mexicans so all Americans can have a job, read Johnson’s false pledges of £350 million on buses to save the NHS. For banning all Muslims from blowing up America, read the EU being the realisation of Adolf Hitler’s Nazi dream.


Boris Johnson has issued a warning to Donald Trump during his first big visit to US
The Yanks got their own back this week. We have mocked Trump as a bigoted clown, believing we had the moral high ground. And then Foreign Secretary Johnson is presented as our senior international diplomat and the laughter is deafening.

He was mercilessly trolled at a press conference, alongside US Secretary of State John Kerry, on Wednesday. One New York Times reporter told him “You have an unusually long history of wild exaggerations and frankly outright lies” before asking Kerry if he should believe anything Johnson said.

On the same day the ghost-writer of Donald Trump’s 1987 memoir The Art of the Deal, told the New Yorker magazine “I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilisation.”

Before adding that if he were writing the book today he’d call it “The Sociopath.” A title anyone penning Johnson’s biography could safely plagiarise.

Thomas Jefferson once said voters get the politicians they deserve.

Today it’s more the case of foisting on the younger generation the ones they don’t deserve.

Sorry kids, we really did let you down.


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Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 23, 2016, 01:29:44 PM
There's rather a lot to go at in there. For now check out the pic of Hillary 1974 style in here:

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2015-11-05/how-richard-nixon-created-hillary-clinton.

I remember "Tricky Dicky" giving an interview on UKTV during which he commented about Hillary's questionable ethics.
Along the lines the lines of "In "Watergate" she was leading the charge to have me impeached at "Whitewater" she was first in the queue at the shredder".

Mr Reade notwithstanding I believe anyone who gets to the top of anything has at least a smattering of paranoia in its wider sense so why pick on the blokes ?.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 23, 2016, 02:15:05 PM
There's rather a lot to go at in there. For now check out the pic of Hillary 1974 style in here:

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2015-11-05/how-richard-nixon-created-hillary-clinton.

I remember "Tricky Dicky" giving an interview on UKTV during which he commented about Hillary's questionable ethics.
Along the lines the lines of "In "Watergate" she was leading the charge to have me impeached at "Whitewater" she was first in the queue at the shredder".

Mr Reade notwithstanding I believe anyone who gets to the top of anything has at least a smattering of paranoia in its wider sense so why pick on the blokes ?.

So it is a choice of two liars, Trump or Clinton.

Whose finger would you rather have on the nuclear trigger ?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: G-Unit on July 23, 2016, 02:20:11 PM
So it is a choice of two liars, Trump or Clinton.

Whose finger would you rather have on the nuclear trigger ?

Clinton.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on July 23, 2016, 02:29:17 PM
It's going to be a close run race by the looks of it, both candidates are not ideally suited to become President of the United States of America so looks like worrying times ahead.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 23, 2016, 03:05:00 PM
It's going to be a close run race by the looks of it, both candidates are not ideally suited to become President of the United States of America so looks like worrying times ahead.

Not just for America.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 23, 2016, 04:52:12 PM
So it is a choice of two liars, Trump or Clinton.

Whose finger would you rather have on the nuclear trigger ?

Trump
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 24, 2016, 09:39:27 AM
Trump

So you would prefer a President Fart to have his finger on the trigger.

He can barely keep a finger on himself.

The mere pretense he cares about everyday Americans is totally ludicrous.

Look up his history of repossessions.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 24, 2016, 11:30:46 AM
So you would prefer a President Fart to have his finger on the trigger.

He can barely keep a finger on himself.

The mere pretense he cares about everyday Americans is totally ludicrous.

Look up his history of repossessions.

The choice was Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.
In my book she is daft enough to press the button and he isn't.

No one complained about Gerry Ford being president as I recall. According to LBJ he was "too dumb to fart and chew gum at the same time"
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 24, 2016, 09:58:05 PM
Presidents are merely figureheads, the fall guy  or gal. There is a full administration on hand to 'run' the actual country shunted along by the powerful lobbyists.....same here only we have Royalty figurehead  haahaha...and a prime minister, the civil service 'run' the country  dontcha know! erm followed by powerful 'charities' who lobby shamelessly not always in the best interest of the majority of people. There are other lobbyists like pharma, arms/munitions manufacturers and other self interest groups.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 24, 2016, 10:33:03 PM
I saw this article last night, which to me epitomizes what is wrong with modern politics. The strike of the sound bite and hot air, from men such as these, whom I would not  even trust to put on a plaster.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kids-deserve-better-ruthless-narcissists-8475642


' Kids deserve better than ruthless narcissists like Boris Johnson and Donald Trump '

' Bojo and Trump are spoilt little rich boys who spin the line that they’re rebelling against the Establishment says Brian Reade '
   

It came as no surprise to read that today’s young people will officially be the first generation to end up poorer than their parents.

They’ll earn less money, have more debt, work longer for worse pensions and live at home until their mum’s hands are too frail to scrub their smalls. So bad is their luck that when they are finally offered their own place it will be in an over 55s sheltered housing scheme, and their dad will have got there first.

The baby-boomer generation I belong to should hang its head in shame. Well the men at least, because women could argue they have lifted the ambitions of their own gender. They can claim, as Theresa, Angela, Nicola and possibly Hillary run entire countries, they’ve produced inspirational role models.

What about the boys?

Specifically, the boys of Britain and America, where the most high-profile and powerful male politicians are Boris Johnson and Donald Trump.


Two disloyal, deceitful narcissists, who are utterly consumed with their own personal ambition and willing to crush anyone, and anything including their nation’s best interests, to achieve power. And that’s without mentioning the hair.

Outside of a serial killer, or a train-spotter, if there was one thing you prayed your son wouldn’t turn into, it would be either of these two sociopaths.



The parallels are striking. Both are spoilt little rich boys who spin the line that they’re rebelling against the Establishment, when they are only rebelling against anyone who doesn’t buy into their belief that they were born to rule. Both are political turncoats who feel facts only get in the way of emotionally charged lies that resonate with the disenfranchised.

Both have the attention span of a gnat, believing most of their audience does too. That’s why they speak in populist, at times racist soundbites, with no depth too low to be plumbed. For Trump’s walls to stop Mexicans so all Americans can have a job, read Johnson’s false pledges of £350 million on buses to save the NHS. For banning all Muslims from blowing up America, read the EU being the realisation of Adolf Hitler’s Nazi dream.


Boris Johnson has issued a warning to Donald Trump during his first big visit to US
The Yanks got their own back this week. We have mocked Trump as a bigoted clown, believing we had the moral high ground. And then Foreign Secretary Johnson is presented as our senior international diplomat and the laughter is deafening.

He was mercilessly trolled at a press conference, alongside US Secretary of State John Kerry, on Wednesday. One New York Times reporter told him “You have an unusually long history of wild exaggerations and frankly outright lies” before asking Kerry if he should believe anything Johnson said.

On the same day the ghost-writer of Donald Trump’s 1987 memoir The Art of the Deal, told the New Yorker magazine “I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilisation.”

Before adding that if he were writing the book today he’d call it “The Sociopath.” A title anyone penning Johnson’s biography could safely plagiarise.

Thomas Jefferson once said voters get the politicians they deserve.

Today it’s more the case of foisting on the younger generation the ones they don’t deserve.

Sorry kids, we really did let you down.


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That is a hell of a statement to make implicating it is down solely to two people who have not yet been elected to do anything.

Poorer? we need to define poorer and measure it against the occupational/career opportunities their parents had.  A lot of poorer working class  people in factories paid for the 'free' university education the elite and middle class got to benefit from!  The description of poor is being banded about without asking who is poor and why are they poor and how long are they poor for.  There are jobs and opportunites for everyone-not only in the UK but Africa, Asia, Middle east all over the globe we can stop people being poor by not voting for BJ OR DT?

BTW we all got poorer under the Bliar Governement  the true socialist party for the people... it just didn't say which people lol
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 25, 2016, 02:57:12 PM
The Washington Post spells out the danger of a Trump presidency in no uncertain terms.

No doubt there are those who think the media is being terribly biased against Donald Trump, and that he's being unfairly demonised, and is in reality a man of great integrity and a desire to lead the US with a new kind of "conviction politics"....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-is-a-unique-threat-to-american-democracy/2016/07/22/a6d823cc-4f4f-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 25, 2016, 03:49:34 PM
The Washington Post spells out the danger of a Trump presidency in no uncertain terms.

No doubt there are those who think the media is being terribly biased against Donald Trump, and that he's being unfairly demonised, and is in reality a man of great integrity and a desire to lead the US with a new kind of "conviction politics"....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-is-a-unique-threat-to-american-democracy/2016/07/22/a6d823cc-4f4f-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html

The comments on the article are worth a read provided you don't believe they were all written by McCann sceptic sock puppets if you see what I mean.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 26, 2016, 08:40:37 AM
The comments on the article are worth a read provided you don't believe they were all written by McCann sceptic sock puppets if you see what I mean.

Trump is an arrogant imbecile, IMO.

...and you say you would trust him over Clinton..........
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 26, 2016, 09:04:18 AM
Trump is an arrogant imbecile, IMO.

...and you say you would trust him over Clinton..........

Yep!
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 26, 2016, 09:10:03 AM
The Washington Post spells out the danger of a Trump presidency in no uncertain terms.

No doubt there are those who think the media is being terribly biased against Donald Trump, and that he's being unfairly demonised, and is in reality a man of great integrity and a desire to lead the US with a new kind of "conviction politics"....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-is-a-unique-threat-to-american-democracy/2016/07/22/a6d823cc-4f4f-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html

No, not at all Alfie.

I trust wholeheartedly in this staunchly pro democrat newspapers impartiality concerning any republican nominee.....


.....dick.

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 26, 2016, 09:23:54 AM
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I don't support Corbyn, never voted labour in my life. But, he's pissed a lot of people off, mostly labour politicians.
 
What's not to like about that?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 26, 2016, 09:54:20 AM
Yep!

Well that only goes to show. 8(0(*
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 26, 2016, 09:58:10 AM
I don't support Corbyn, never voted labour in my life. But, he's pissed a lot of people off, mostly labour politicians.
 
What's not to like about that?

So you're saying Corbyn is not really a Labour politician ?  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on July 26, 2016, 10:18:06 AM
No, not at all Alfie.

I trust wholeheartedly in this staunchly pro democrat newspapers impartiality concerning any republican nominee.....


.....dick.

I'd agree that it is generally wise to bear in mind the political bias of any media outlet, on the other hand, even many of the Republican party seem to find Trump a walking disaster.

From what I've read / watched, Boris's appointment was met with reactions ranging from sheer disbelief to mirth, although one or two articles appear to now give him a bit of leeway for attempting to be a bit more serious. Even then, as one journalist said, he's only ever one interview away from a gaffe, although perhaps he IS trying to pull his socks up... time will tell.

Personally, I find Trump to be far more dangerous.

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 26, 2016, 10:23:34 AM
I'd agree that it is generally wise to bear in mind the political bias of any media outlet, on the other hand, even many of the Republican party seem to find Trump a walking disaster.

From what I've read / watched, Boris's appointment was met with reactions ranging from sheer disbelief to mirth, although one or two articles appear to now give him a bit of leeway for attempting to be a bit more serious. Even then, as one journalist said, he's only ever one interview away from a gaffe, although perhaps he IS trying to pull his socks up... time will tell.

Personally, I find Trump to be far more dangerous.
As the Washington Post editorial I linked to said:
"In an ordinary election year, we would acknowledge the Republican nominee, move on to the Democratic convention and spend the following months, like other voters, evaluating the candidates’ performance in debates, on the stump and in position papers. This year we will follow the campaign as always, offering honest views on all the candidates. But we cannot salute the Republican nominee or pretend that we might endorse him this fall. A Trump presidency would be dangerous for the nation and the world."

Perhaps a Trump fan on here would like to spell out why people are mistaken in their belief that Trump is a danger for the US and the world?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 26, 2016, 12:25:59 PM
As the Washington Post editorial I linked to said:
"In an ordinary election year, we would acknowledge the Republican nominee, move on to the Democratic convention and spend the following months, like other voters, evaluating the candidates’ performance in debates, on the stump and in position papers. This year we will follow the campaign as always, offering honest views on all the candidates. But we cannot salute the Republican nominee or pretend that we might endorse him this fall. A Trump presidency would be dangerous for the nation and the world."

Perhaps a Trump fan on here would like to spell out why people are mistaken in their belief that Trump is a danger for the US and the world?

Disliking Hillary Clinton her ethos and politics does not make one a Trump fan...... except possibly in your mind  &%+((£
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on July 26, 2016, 02:13:44 PM
Disliking Hillary Clinton her ethos and politics does not make one a Trump fan...... except possibly in your mind  &%+((£

I don't agree with your assessment of Alfie's views.... however, the race has has now boiled down to Clinton v Trump.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 26, 2016, 02:22:28 PM
Perhaps a Trump fan on here would like to spell out why people are mistaken in their belief that Trump is a danger for the US and the world?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 26, 2016, 02:22:55 PM
Under Obama the U.S national debt has doubled. (he's blown as much as all 43 previous presidents combined)

Unemployment has risen.

Illegal immigration has risen.

He has broken the constition on numerous occaisions (about 70 times), notably attacking Libya without congress approval.

And, in Syria, he funds IS affiliated  'moderates'.

Just for starters......there's more.

Hillary offers more of the same.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 26, 2016, 02:24:31 PM
Perhaps a Trump fan on here would like to spell out why people are mistaken in their belief that Trump is a danger for the US and the world?

Perhaps you could explain what danger he poses.

He can't do any worse than Obama has or Hillary will.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on July 26, 2016, 02:25:58 PM
None of the candidates for the top dog position of a major world power appear to free of blemishes.

OK.

On the other hand... who would make you most take refuge in the toilet knowing that one or the other had the capacity to unleash a new world war at the flick of a button (real or initially PR)?



Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on July 26, 2016, 02:28:44 PM
Under Obama the U.S national debt has doubled. (he's blown as much as all 43 previous presidents combined)

Unemployment has risen.

Illegal immigration has risen.

He has broken the constition on numerous occaisions (about 70 times), notably attacking Libya without congress approval.

And, in Syria, he funds IS affiliated  'moderates'.

Just for starters......there's more.

Hillary offers more of the same.


I'd be interested in links to fact-checking sites on this. Some of it may be true, and some may be hyperbole...

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 26, 2016, 02:31:23 PM
Perhaps you could explain what danger he poses.

He can't do any worse than Obama has or Hillary will.
Sure, once you've answered the question I posed first.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 26, 2016, 02:41:58 PM
Sure, once you've answered the question I posed first.

Ok.

What 'people' exactly?  Leftist libtards & the leftist libtard media?

There in lies the answer.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 26, 2016, 02:57:57 PM
Hillary went to the funeral of senator (& former KKK member) Robert Byrd, where she heaped praise on him.

But that Trump,  he's a f...... r..... isn't he.




Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 26, 2016, 05:59:56 PM
A Donald Trump presidency is considered one of the Top 10 risks facing the world according to The Economist Intelligence Unit

https://gfs.eiu.com/Archive.aspx?archiveType=globalrisk
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 26, 2016, 07:23:37 PM
Perhaps a Trump fan on here would like to spell out why people are mistaken in their belief that Trump is a danger for the US and the world?

He is in favour of sorting out US problems within the US rather than having an unshakable belief the US has manifest destiny to be the worlds policeman and decide who should and who should not rule in domains outside the US.
Just because he makes some prickish remarks he is not necessarily a total prick his wealth is testimony to that.
cf Tony Blair "The USA stood shoulder to shoulder with us during the blitz". Oh yeah ! The US were neutral and did not enter the European war until Adolf declared war on them.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 26, 2016, 07:31:48 PM

I'd be interested in links to fact-checking sites on this. Some of it may be true, and some may be hyperbole...

Anything to do with the US and Middle East I would recommend David Kilcullen "The Blood Year" as an informative read.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 26, 2016, 07:52:31 PM
He is in favour of sorting out US problems within the US rather than having an unshakable belief the US has manifest destiny to be the worlds policeman and decide who should and who should not rule in domains outside the US.
Just because he makes some prickish remarks he is not necessarily a total prick his wealth is testimony to that.
cf Tony Blair "The USA stood shoulder to shoulder with us during the blitz". Oh yeah ! The US were neutral and did not enter the European war until Adolf declared war on them.
Any idea how he plans to sort out US problems?  I know he sure as hell doesn't apart from making absurd promises to wipe out crime and violence.  And since when did wealth preclude one from being a total prick??! 
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 26, 2016, 09:52:10 PM
Any idea how he plans to sort out US problems?  I know he sure as hell doesn't apart from making absurd promises to wipe out crime and violence.  And since when did wealth preclude one from being a total prick??!

How the hell do expect me to know?
So you don't like Trump, why keep banging on about it and asking questions to which there is no answer?
Oh yeah I remember now that's what you do innit ?





Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 26, 2016, 10:12:25 PM
Back on topic, and to answer the OP, I wouldn't trust either BoJo or Trump as they are both blonde narcissists with bad haircuts but if I had to spend an evening in a pub with either it would be Boris as he is at least well-read, intelligent and possesses a sense of humour.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 26, 2016, 11:29:25 PM
I don't agree with your assessment of Alfie's views.... however, the race has has now boiled down to Clinton v Trump.

What assessment?
Alf's view was a cut and paste article from the Washington Post.
The race as you say is Clinton v Trump. If you think Clinton is not a menace to the Middle East situation refer back to when she was Secretary of State and William Hague was our Foreign Secretary.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 27, 2016, 08:23:08 AM
What do we think President Trump's reaction would be if Isis flew a plane into Trump Towers?  Turn the other cheek?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on July 27, 2016, 10:32:14 AM
What assessment?
Alf's view was a cut and paste article from the Washington Post.
The race as you say is Clinton v Trump. If you think Clinton is not a menace to the Middle East situation refer back to when she was Secretary of State and William Hague was our Foreign Secretary.

I'm not sure which aspects you are referring to specifically.

A broad, and somewhat critical, interview with Robert Gates on her hawkish tendencies:
http://swampland.time.com/2014/01/14/hillary-clintons-unapologetically-hawkish-record-faces-2016-test/

It's not clear however to what extent his views may be biased, however.

Here's an article that I found to be a fairly balanced view of the intervention in Libya:  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/07/libya-intervention-daalder_n_6809756.html

In a Sky TV programme on Hillary, one commentator stated that the US election wasn't really about who people wanted the most, but about who they disliked the least. That's quite probably true, but then it often is.
http://news.sky.com/video/the-hillary-clinton-problem-10512717

On the other hand, her hawkish tendencies appear to be within the context of military intervention, but also diplomacy and support for local development, particularly the education and empowerment of women, as a longer-term force for stability.

Whatever one thinks of her track record (and no one will agree with everything), she does have political and diplomatic experience... and a brain.

On the other side, I haven't been able to find a reasoned explanation so far of why a number of people believe Trump to be the best option as president of one of the world's most powerful nations.

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on July 27, 2016, 10:39:04 AM
Anything to do with the US and Middle East I would recommend David Kilcullen "The Blood Year" as an informative read.

Thanks, I haven't read that yet.

A review by The Economist, which I've just found but haven't read yet:
http://www.economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21694981-mistakes-made-islamic-state
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 27, 2016, 11:59:18 AM
I'm not sure which aspects you are referring to specifically.

A broad, and somewhat critical, interview with Robert Gates on her hawkish tendencies:
http://swampland.time.com/2014/01/14/hillary-clintons-unapologetically-hawkish-record-faces-2016-test/

It's not clear however to what extent his views may be biased, however.

Here's an article that I found to be a fairly balanced view of the intervention in Libya:  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/07/libya-intervention-daalder_n_6809756.html

In a Sky TV programme on Hillary, one commentator stated that the US election wasn't really about who people wanted the most, but about who they disliked the least. That's quite probably true, but then it often is.
http://news.sky.com/video/the-hillary-clinton-problem-10512717

On the other hand, her hawkish tendencies appear to be within the context of military intervention, but also diplomacy and support for local development, particularly the education and empowerment of women, as a longer-term force for stability.

Whatever one thinks of her track record (and no one will agree with everything), she does have political and diplomatic experience... and a brain.

On the other side, I haven't been able to find a reasoned explanation so far of why a number of people believe Trump to be the best option as president of one of the world's most powerful nations.


She's a corrupt evil war monger who should be behind bars.

She wants to not just attack Iran but totally obliterate them.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-attack-iran/5460484

She was gleeful about the public sodomizing by knife of Gadaffi.

Also look up Benghazi.

What Trump has going for him is, he isn't the wrathful vengeful war whore that Hillary is.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 27, 2016, 12:14:00 PM

She's a corrupt evil war monger who should be behind bars.

She wants to not just attack Iran but totally obliterate them.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-attack-iran/5460484

She was gleeful about the public sodomizing by knife of Gadaffi.

Also look up Benghazi.

What Trump has going for him is, he isn't the wrathful vengeful war whore that Hillary is.
Talk about twisting words and lying propaganda, yours is a perfect example.  You missed out the bit "If Iran were to attack Israel" .  I don't rate Hillary Clinton but if you are going to eviscerate her, at least use actual facts rather than frothing propaganda.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on July 27, 2016, 12:30:33 PM

(snip)
What Trump has going for him is, he isn't the wrathful vengeful war whore that Hillary is.

Is that the extent of the reasoned explanation in his favour?
How do you know he wouldn't be?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 27, 2016, 12:50:04 PM
Talk about twisting words and lying propaganda, yours is a perfect example.  You missed out the bit "If Iran were to attack Israel" .  I don't rate Hillary Clinton but if you are going to eviscerate her, at least use actual facts rather than frothing propaganda.

Where?

I want the Iranians to know that if I’m president, we will attack Iran. In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them.”


"During which time they might."...........Not, "If Iran were to attack Israel"

Where did she say that?

Talk about twisting words & lying propaganda.

Yours is the perfect example.

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 27, 2016, 12:51:42 PM
Is that the extent of the reasoned explanation in his favour?
How do you know he wouldn't be?

Compare his stance on Russia with hers.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 27, 2016, 01:07:28 PM
Where?

I want the Iranians to know that if I’m president, we will attack Iran. In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them.”


"During which time they might."...........Not, "If Iran were to attack Israel"

Where did she say that?

Talk about twisting words & lying propaganda.

Yours is the perfect example.
OK.  Put up the source material.  Verbatim quotes from an impartial source or a link to the video of the speech, not propaganda bollocks spouted by the organsiation you quote from https://www.quora.com/Journalistic-Ethics-and-Norms-How-legitimate-is-The-Centre-for-Global-Research
You seriously believe Clinton stood up last year and announced that when she was president she was going to bomb Iran into oblivion for no particular reason at all?!  You're funny.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 27, 2016, 01:22:38 PM
OK.  Put up the source material.  Verbatim quotes from an impartial source or a link to the video of the speech, not propaganda bollocks spouted by the organsiation you quote from https://www.quora.com/Journalistic-Ethics-and-Norms-How-legitimate-is-The-Centre-for-Global-Research
You seriously believe Clinton stood up last year and announced that when she was president she was going to bomb Iran into oblivion for no particular reason at all?!  You're funny.

Oil.

And here it is,  & yes, it was in response to 'if Iran were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel'


Iran poses as much nuclear threat to Israel as Iraq had WMD's.

They are just part of the axis of evil, along with Libya, & Syria.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 27, 2016, 01:51:02 PM
....and Israel's undeclared nuclear arsenal  ....

Anything to say about that ?

How about deployment of  White Phosphorus in the Gaza conflict ?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 27, 2016, 01:51:52 PM
Oil.

And here it is,  & yes, it was in response to 'if Iran were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel'


Iran poses as much nuclear threat to Israel as Iraq had WMD's.

They are just part of the axis of evil, along with Libya, & Syria.

So where is Iran's nuclear arsenal ?

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 27, 2016, 01:57:51 PM
Compare his stance on Russia with hers.

There have been allegations that Trump has Russian financial backing.

Let's not forget either,  that Putin and Trump have regard for each other.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 27, 2016, 01:59:13 PM
Oil.

And here it is,  & yes, it was in response to 'if Iran were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel'


Iran poses as much nuclear threat to Israel as Iraq had WMD's.

They are just part of the axis of evil, along with Libya, & Syria.
Thanks for admitting that what you posted earlier was misleading propaganda.  Iran actually does want the complete annihilation of Israel, and any American attack on Iran would be to in order to protect Israel, nothing to do with oil.  Does America now control oil production in Iraq or Libya?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 27, 2016, 02:09:01 PM
Thanks for admitting that what you posted earlier was misleading propaganda.  Iran actually does want the complete annihilation of Israel, and any American attack on Iran would be to in order to protect Israel, nothing to do with oil.  Does America now control oil production in Iraq or Libya?

........More likely from an imminent attack,  like in 45 minutes.

.....& it's still sold in USD.....


Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 27, 2016, 02:16:27 PM
........More likely from an imminent attack,  like in 45 minutes.

.....& it's still sold in USD.....
Not quite sure what you mean, but Iran has boasted (this year) that it could destroy Israel in 8 minutes from the order being given by the supreme leader. 
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 27, 2016, 02:42:01 PM
Thanks, I haven't read that yet.

A review by The Economist, which I've just found but haven't read yet:
http://www.economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21694981-mistakes-made-islamic-state

Down load the book onto your Kindle it is worth it.
I never trust reviews.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 27, 2016, 03:12:28 PM
Thanks for admitting that what you posted earlier was misleading propaganda.  Iran actually does want the complete annihilation of Israel, and any American attack on Iran would be to in order to protect Israel, nothing to do with oil.  Does America now control oil production in Iraq or Libya?

Or to have a pop at Iran cos they still remember 1979 ?.
Not to forget of course The US, Germany, France, UK and sundry others "supported" , aka "gave arms to", Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war of early 1980s. Refer Forgemasters and Matrix Churchill.
Aaaaand then in 1985 air strikes against Libya because of a bomb in a disco attended by US squaddies in Germany.Three dead, one American serviceman, and 230 injured. The US flew 37 sorties in retaliation dropping christ knows how many iron bombs on the desert cum Libyan Army Installations.
But was it more to do with Gaddafi having his beadies on uranium in Chad than anything else?
Not much change in 30 years then.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 27, 2016, 04:46:25 PM
Or to have a pop at Iran cos they still remember 1979 ?.
Not to forget of course The US, Germany, France, UK and sundry others "supported" , aka "gave arms to", Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war of early 1980s. Refer Forgemasters and Matrix Churchill.
Aaaaand then in 1985 air strikes against Libya because of a bomb in a disco attended by US squaddies in Germany.Three dead, one American serviceman, and 230 injured. The US flew 37 sorties in retaliation dropping christ knows how many iron bombs on the desert cum Libyan Army Installations.
But was it more to do with Gaddafi having his beadies on uranium in Chad than anything else?
Not much change in 30 years then.

The Iranian dislike of the West , a especially the UK predates 79.  The Americans also shot down an Iranian passenger airline with major loss of civilian lives.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 27, 2016, 05:11:33 PM
The Iranian dislike of the West , a especially the UK predates 79.  The Americans also shot down an Iranian passenger airline with major loss of civilian lives.

We supported the Peacock Throne I guess. One of Maggie's earliest gaffes as leader of the opposition revolved around The Shah.
The US however had their Embassy seized and the rescue attempt was a dismal failure so the Iranians became the "super bad guys". Hence Saddam Hussein became an "Honorary Good Guy" when he invaded Iran in 1980. Hence when the super baddies were getting the better of the honorary goodies we had to give help; embargoes? what are they.

"US Foreign Policy in the Middle East: From Crises to Change by Dr Yakub Halabi" is also worth a read.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 27, 2016, 05:57:41 PM
Trump has just asked Russia for help in exposing Hillary clinton's hacked e-mails.   This man is clearly not the full shilling.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 27, 2016, 09:22:11 PM


'Be quiet. I know you wanna save her'

 @)(++(*

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/jul/27/donald-trump-katy-tur-be-quiet-video
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 27, 2016, 09:31:52 PM
Trump has just asked Russia for help in exposing Hillary clinton's hacked e-mails.   This man is clearly not the full shilling.

and the Clintons are as white as snow lovely, caring,kind selfless people?  I wonder if Hillary smokes seegarz...

 HC is a power hungry,over ambitious woman, who would stop at nothing, including mouthing off she would be quite happy to obliterate an entire country and it's people,innocent babies... nice  lady indeed ew

I know I shouldn't ask the question but why kill fanatical,murdering Muslims to protect fanatical .murdering, Israelites?  should we have favourites?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 27, 2016, 09:33:35 PM
We supported the Peacock Throne I guess. One of Maggie's earliest gaffes as leader of the opposition revolved around The Shah.
The US however had their Embassy seized and the rescue attempt was a dismal failure so the Iranians became the "super bad guys". Hence Saddam Hussein became an "Honorary Good Guy" when he invaded Iran in 1980. Hence when the super baddies were getting the better of the honorary goodies we had to give help; embargoes? what are they.

"US Foreign Policy in the Middle East: From Crises to Change by Dr Yakub Halabi" is also worth a read.

Thank you Alice Think I will grab a copy next month!... you are spot on with that analysis.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 27, 2016, 09:36:44 PM
Trump, full interview 27, 7, 2016.

https://youtu.be/HGHWou0h1kk?t=2008
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 27, 2016, 09:55:09 PM
Trump, full interview 27, 7, 2016.

https://youtu.be/HGHWou0h1kk?t=2008

Would that be the Fart by name , and by nature ?  %£&)**#
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 27, 2016, 10:01:03 PM
Over 235 days since crooked Hillary had a press conference.

unaccountable.....and the media let her get away with it. With anything, whilst they demonise Trump.





Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 27, 2016, 10:02:32 PM
Over 235 days since crooked Hillary had a press conference.

Hilary Clinton and Donald Fart.

Two shi##es in a pod.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 27, 2016, 11:03:13 PM
"Lock her up, lock her up"

https://youtu.be/HGHWou0h1kk?t=3307

"It's a shame that they said it, but,  a lot of people will say that should happen"

 @)(++(*

He's great at trolling the media.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2016, 08:45:40 AM
"Lock her up, lock her up"

https://youtu.be/HGHWou0h1kk?t=5319

"It's a shame that they said it, but,  a lot of people will say that should happen"

 @)(++(*

He's great at trolling the media.

I would suspect many have said the same thing as regards Trump.

Preferably attached to a white jacket. 8)-)))
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Angelo222 on July 28, 2016, 09:46:01 AM
Over 235 days since crooked Hillary had a press conference.

unaccountable.....and the media let her get away with it. With anything, whilst they demonise Trump.

I cannot believe the sort of stuff Trump can say about Clinton and get away with it. Are these people so far above the law that they are in effect modern day 'untouchables'?  If our own esteemed leaders made those comments about each other in public in this country they would face legal proceedings, if they said it whilst under privilege in parliament they would be named by the speaker.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2016, 09:49:05 AM
I cannot believe the sort of stuff Trump can say about Clinton and get away with it. Are these people so far above the law that they are modern day 'untouchables'?

It's called money Angelo.

No sign of Trump publishing his tax returns either, and the alleged financial backing from Russian 'interests'.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 28, 2016, 10:01:43 AM
I cannot believe the sort of stuff Trump can say about Clinton and get away with it. Are these people so far above the law that they are in effect modern day 'untouchables'?  If our own esteemed leaders made those comments about each other in public in this country they would face legal proceedings, if they said it whilst under privilege in parliament they would be named by the speaker.

Hillary won't face media questions........why do you think that might be?

It's because she's crooked.

Nothing Trump said is untrue.



(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJFwH2GWwAQTlLt.jpg)

Hillay's aides rope off the media at 4th July parade,  to stop them asking un prepared questions.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Angelo222 on July 28, 2016, 10:07:11 AM
Hillary won't face media questions........why do you think that might be?

It's because she's crooked.

Nothing Trump said is untrue.

So do the democrats hate the republicans so much that they would vote for a crook rather than see Trump become President?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 28, 2016, 10:10:12 AM
So do the democrats hate the republicans so much that they would vote for a crook rather than see Trump become President?

Bernie Sanders was more popular,  until the DNC sabotaged him.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2016, 10:13:02 AM
To paraphrase something that Clinton's husband once said.

Perhaps Trump might say...........

''I did not have financial dealings with the Russians''

Presumably, 'Oral' wouldn't count. @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 28, 2016, 10:27:42 AM
So do the democrats hate the republicans so much that they would vote for a crook rather than see Trump become President?


Obama has 'joked' about slaughtering Republican senators.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZfsC6rs8Xo
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2016, 10:43:42 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trumps-six-biggest-gaffes-of-the-presidential-campaignso-far-10401459.html

For starters................

Now however, Mr Trump - the man in charge of Miss USA and Miss Universe - is finally running for president with a promise to make America "great again", pledging to become the "greatest jobs president that God ever created"

Enough said. %&5%£ %&5%£ %&5%£
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 28, 2016, 12:02:51 PM
It's called money Angelo.

No sign of Trump publishing his tax returns either, and the alleged financial backing from Russian 'interests'.

Audit.

Reporter:  Why not release your tax returns?

https://youtu.be/HGHWou0h1kk?t=560
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2016, 01:52:39 PM
Audit.

Reporter:  Why not release your tax returns?

https://youtu.be/HGHWou0h1kk?t=560


There is nothing stopping him releasing tax returns, even before an 'audit' which if the article is correct won't be until after the election.

Perhaps God told him to do that. 8)--))

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/26/inside-the-5-theories-for-why-donald-trump-isnt-releasing-his-tax-returns/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2016, 04:07:14 PM
Here is an example of the 'wisdom' of Trump................

Donald Trump has declared his presidential candidacy. He has given many interviews but the topic of evolution hasn’t come up yet. A Google search doesn’t reveal any insights into Trump’s opinions about evolutionary biology either. So I went straight to the man himself and asked him: Do you believe in evolution? Here is his response:
Trump: “You know, I don’t really believe in that stuff. Man coming from monkeys and apes? I don’t think so. We are much more advanced than animals. We are smarter by far. Could a monkey write ‘The Art of the Deal’? Could a monkey oversee the development of the most luxurious golf courses in the world? Could an animal produce ‘The Apprentice’, one of the most successful television shows in history? Hell no!”

https://takethisskepticalblog.wordpress.com/2015/07/13/does-donald-trump-believe-in-evolution/


Evidently, Trump has no knowledge of science, including evolutionary theory.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 28, 2016, 04:36:21 PM

God is big in America, because they are dumb, take the hilarious cult that is Mormonism for example.

If you believe in God & the teachings of the bible, then it stands to reason you can't really believe in evolution.


31 percent of Americans believe that humans have been in “their present form” since their creation, while 24 percent believe that humans evolved but under the guidance of a God-like figure.


http://www.salon.com/2015/01/29/study_too_many_americans_dont_believe_in_evolution_and_man_made_climate_change/

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 28, 2016, 04:39:44 PM

Made me think of this....

Richard Dawkins killing God.

Brandon Flowers (American & Mormon, lead singer of 'The Killers') being put right by Richard Dawkins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZgIIeGnEXI

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 28, 2016, 04:47:08 PM

Oh & this one.... @)(++(*

Off topic I know, but here's Richard Dawkins killing Islam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHvxiQbQ37I

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 28, 2016, 06:17:57 PM
Here is an example of the 'wisdom' of Trump................

Donald Trump has declared his presidential candidacy. He has given many interviews but the topic of evolution hasn’t come up yet. A Google search doesn’t reveal any insights into Trump’s opinions about evolutionary biology either. So I went straight to the man himself and asked him: Do you believe in evolution? Here is his response:
Trump: “You know, I don’t really believe in that stuff. Man coming from monkeys and apes? I don’t think so. We are much more advanced than animals. We are smarter by far. Could a monkey write ‘The Art of the Deal’? Could a monkey oversee the development of the most luxurious golf courses in the world? Could an animal produce ‘The Apprentice’, one of the most successful television shows in history? Hell no!”

https://takethisskepticalblog.wordpress.com/2015/07/13/does-donald-trump-believe-in-evolution/


Evidently, Trump has no knowledge of science, including evolutionary theory.
He was probably being "sarcastic", that seems to be his new excuse. 
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 28, 2016, 06:20:19 PM
God is big in America, because they are dumb, take the hilarious cult that is Mormonism for example.

If you believe in God & the teachings of the bible, then it stands to reason you can't really believe in evolution.


31 percent of Americans believe that humans have been in “their present form” since their creation, while 24 percent believe that humans evolved but under the guidance of a God-like figure.


http://www.salon.com/2015/01/29/study_too_many_americans_dont_believe_in_evolution_and_man_made_climate_change/
More than 60% of Brits don't believe dinosaurs ever existed according to a recent poll, so stupidity is not confined to the other side of the pond.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 28, 2016, 06:45:32 PM
Well we know Hillary would obliterate Iran as she said so herself.
We know that she is committed to destroying ISIS Barrack told us today.
Iran is Shi'ite. ISIS offers itself to Sunni's as the only effective obstruction to Shi'ite excesses....hmmmmm.
Then there is the little matter of over 100 different Islamic factions in Iraq-Syria. Interesting times.

Remember the song of the 1979-1980 demonstrations ?..... to the music of The Beach Boys "Barbara Ann", on my 3 one two "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Ayeran, Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Ayeran let's bomb Ayeraaaan because we caaaaan".
Mercy.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2016, 06:49:39 PM
A bit of light relief.


http://newsthump.com/2016/07/19/life-was-hard-as-a-black-woman-growing-up-in-america-says-donald-trumps-wife/

Melania Trump has described the struggles she’s had to overcome as a black woman growing up in America, in a totally original and heartfelt speech.

The would-be First Lady from Slovenia told the Republican Convention: “I was born a poor black woman in South Side Chicago. I overcame the tremendous obstacles of race and gender prejudices to attend Princeton University and then Harvard Law School.



“Later I met my husband, a talented and brilliant man whose dream it was to become the first US President of his colour – orange.”

When it was put to the Trump campaign team that large parts of the speech seemed to resemble Michelle Obama’s life, a spokesman said, “This is typical of the politically correct media who keep trying to make people stick to the ‘facts’, whatever they are.

“People like to hear a story of struggle, it plays well, and Melania, a struggling former supermodel, identifies with it, so isn’t that what matters at the end of the day?

“Who are you to tell her that she is or isn’t from South Side Chicago? We won’t be releasing her birth certificate as she doesn’t have to prove anything.”

Outside the convention, the speech was well received by Republican voters.

Simon Williams said, “It’s about time we got away from the billionaire politicians running this country and appoint someone who has grown up in the face of poverty and prejudice, just like Donald and Melania Trump.”
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 28, 2016, 06:51:57 PM
He was probably being "sarcastic", that seems to be his new excuse.

Watch the interview, he was questioned repeatedly about Russia & Putin before he made the comments.

https://youtu.be/HGHWou0h1kk?t=760

Interestingly, the Russia hack allegation was first made by...... Hillary's campaign manager.

How extraordinary!
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 28, 2016, 07:02:04 PM
Well we know Hillary would obliterate Iran as she said so herself.
We know that she is committed to destroying ISIS Barrack told us today.
Iran is Shi'ite. ISIS offers itself to Sunni's as the only effective obstruction to Shi'ite excesses....hmmmmm.
Then there is the little matter of over 100 different Islamic factions in Iraq-Syria. Interesting times.

Remember the song of the 1979-1980 demonstrations ?..... to the music of The Beach Boys "Barbara Ann", on my 3 one two "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Ayeran, Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Ayeran let's bomb Ayeraaaan because we caaaaan".
Mercy.

So when do you think Iran will attack Israel Alice ?

After all, Israel has a nuclear arsenal, which of course they don't really have.

Nudge nudge, wink wink. 8)-)))
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 28, 2016, 07:36:55 PM
So when do you think Iran will attack Israel Alice ?

After all, Israel has a nuclear arsenal, which of course they don't really have.

Nudge nudge, wink wink. 8)-)))

I doubt they will.
Israel has form in that direction however. Remember "Operation Opera" ? that knocked out an Iraqi nuclear reactor ca 1980 1981? It was referred to by the Begin government as “a precedent for every future government in Israel" or some such.
I guess when you have a group of people living in a bit of land crow barred out of a bit of land belonging to someone else* and those same people are surrounded by the original group vowing to drive them into the sea negotiating a way out will be hard.

What ever happened to Walid Jumblatt ?

* that principle caused conflicts in Ireland, Middle East and Vietnam in 1960s but it ain't that simple.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on July 28, 2016, 10:50:53 PM
I doubt they will.
Israel has form in that direction however. Remember "Operation Opera" ? that knocked out an Iraqi nuclear reactor ca 1980 1981? It was referred to by the Begin government as “a precedent for every future government in Israel" or some such.
I guess when you have a group of people living in a bit of land crow barred out of a bit of land belonging to someone else* and those same people are surrounded by the original group vowing to drive them into the sea negotiating a way out will be hard.

What ever happened to Walid Jumblatt ?

* that principle caused conflicts in Ireland, Middle East and Vietnam in 1960s but it ain't that simple.

Nothing is simple. But perhaps someone should explain that to Trump.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 29, 2016, 11:52:41 AM
Nothing is simple. But perhaps someone should explain that to Trump.

When he is voted in he will learn.
As leader of the opposition Margaret T said in 1979 to the effect The Shah would always have a home in the UK.
When she became PM the FO gave her the word on why that might not be such a bright idea under the circumstances obtaining at the time. So Anwar Sadat, never a fair weather friend, took in The Shah and look what happened to Sadat.
All politicians have a trait in common. They tell the voters they, the politicians, can walk on water. When the politicians sink it is "due to unforeseen circumstances over which they had no control". Or to put it another way they will lie through both sides of their mouths at the same time to get elected no matter what flavour they are and then fail to deliver on the promises they knew they could not keep then blame their failure on something "that bloke over there" [pointing] did.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2016, 12:34:47 PM

Trump on throwing state dinners for China...


"Just take them to McDonalds & go back to the negotiating table."

 @)(++(*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srcvrbpNZJI
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 30, 2016, 01:03:40 PM
Trump on throwing state dinners for China...


"Just take them to McDonalds & go back to the negotiating table."

 @)(++(*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srcvrbpNZJI

So Trump is a chav


What's new.  8((()*/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on July 30, 2016, 01:38:13 PM
The irony....


Donald J. Trump Verified account
‏@realDonaldTrump

Hillary Clinton should not be given national security briefings in that she is a lose cannon with extraordinarily bad judgement & insticts.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on July 30, 2016, 01:44:15 PM
Hillary v Donald on his investment in US jobs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGVxBnfv01w

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/29/hillary-clinton/dnc-hillary-clinton-slams-donald-trump-making-prod/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 30, 2016, 04:10:11 PM
Trump on throwing state dinners for China...


"Just take them to McDonalds & go back to the negotiating table."

 @)(++(*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srcvrbpNZJI

Rather apposite in the light of recent cancelled celebrations in Devon  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 30, 2016, 04:18:59 PM
 Can any Trump supporter give reasons to support the Chump  , given his history ?

Let's not forget his wife who claimed she had a degree. Apparently her website claiming that has disappeared.

I am hardly fond of Clinton either. Both C and T are disasters waiting to happen.

Acording to George Galloway on Talk Sport last might there us a member of the Green Party standing......
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: sadie on July 30, 2016, 05:06:03 PM
Can any Trump supporter give reasons to support the Chump  , given his history ?

Let's not forget his wife who claimed she had a degree. Apparently her website claiming that has disappeared.

I am hardly fond of Clinton either. Both C and T are disasters waiting to happen.

Acording to George Galloway on Talk Sport last might there us a member of the Green Party standing......

Trump is improving, give him that


He is allowing his orange hair to turn grey  %£5&%
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2016, 05:24:51 PM
Can any Trump supporter give reasons to support the Chump  , given his history ?

Let's not forget his wife who claimed she had a degree. Apparently her website claiming that has disappeared.

I am hardly fond of Clinton either. Both C and T are disasters waiting to happen.

Acording to George Galloway on Talk Sport last might there us a member of the Green Party standing......

I don't see what so bad about his history. He's turned 1 million into several Billion.

If I were American I'd vote for him because...

1) He's not Hillary.
(which alone is a good enough reason for me, but I'll continue & flesh it out a bit just for a lark..

....

2) He's against open borders, unlike Hillary. He wants to end the influx of foreign workers & hold & deport criminal illegal aliens, rather than release them into the community like Obama has.

3) He is in favour of a requirement by companies that Americans be automatic first choice for jobs.

4) He wants to prevent immigration to anyone who can't afford to pay for themselves.

5) He's against birthright citizenship for the children of illegals.

6) He's against gun control.

7) He opposes gay marriage.

8) He wants better relations with Russia.

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 30, 2016, 06:18:39 PM
I don't see what so bad about his history. He's turned 1 million into several Billion.

If I were American I'd vote for him because...

1) He's not Hillary.
(which alone is a good enough reason for me
, but I'll continue & flesh it out a bit just for a lark..[/i]

....

2) He's against open borders, unlike Hillary. He want's to end the influx of foreign workers & hold & deport criminal illegal aliens rather than release them into the community like Obama has.

3) He is in favour of a requirement by companies that Americans be automatic first choice for jobs.

4) He wants to prevent immigration to anyone who can't afford to pay for themselves.

5) He's against birthright citizenship for the children of illegals.

6) He's against gun control.

7) He opposes gay marriage.

8) He wants better relations with Russia.

It seems to be a good enough reason for quite a few Americans too if news reels are to be believed.
Quotes from last night's news reels:
"It's time the US had a woman president but she is not the one"
"Normal politics hasn't worked so it is time to try something new"
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 30, 2016, 06:43:36 PM
I don't see what so bad about his history. He's turned 1 million into several Billion.

If I were American I'd vote for him because...

1) He's not Hillary.
(which alone is a good enough reason for me, but I'll continue & flesh it out a bit just for a lark..

....

2) He's against open borders, unlike Hillary. He want's to end the influx of foreign workers & hold & deport criminal illegal aliens rather than release them into the community like Obama has.

3) He is in favour of a requirement by companies that Americans be automatic first choice for jobs.

4) He wants to prevent immigration to anyone who can't afford to pay for themselves.

5) He's against birthright citizenship for the children of illegals.

6) He's against gun control.

7) He opposes gay marriage.

8) He wants better relations with Russia.
You forgot to add 9) he's pro-life and may like to see abortions outlawed (though that was yesterday, maybe tomorrow he'll take a different stance).  I'm sure though as a seasoned poster you must agree that punishing women for having abortions is a desirable situation for any civilised society?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2016, 06:47:08 PM
You forgot to add 9) he's pro-life and may like to see abortions outlawed (though that was yesterday, maybe tomorrow he'll take a different stance).  I'm sure though as a seasoned poster you must agree that punishing women for having abortions is a desirable situation for any civilised society?

Yep, that &, take their votes away & send them back to the kitchen where they belong.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 30, 2016, 06:51:07 PM
Yep, that &, take their votes away & send them back to the kitchen where they belong.
Of course! 8((()*/

Sadly millions of dumbass americans share Spam's views to a tee, so that's why it will be President Trump in the White House by the end of the year.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 30, 2016, 07:12:58 PM
Anyone know what Donald is actually planning to do to fulfill his promise to eradicate crime and violence in his country? 
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 30, 2016, 07:24:20 PM
I don't see what so bad about his history. He's turned 1 million into several Billion.

If I were American I'd vote for him because...

1) He's not Hillary.
(which alone is a good enough reason for me, but I'll continue & flesh it out a bit just for a lark..

....

2) He's against open borders, unlike Hillary. He want's to end the influx of foreign workers & hold & deport criminal illegal aliens rather than release them into the community like Obama has.

3) He is in favour of a requirement by companies that Americans be automatic first choice for jobs.

4) He wants to prevent immigration to anyone who can't afford to pay for themselves.

5) He's against birthright citizenship for the children of illegals.

6) He's against gun control.

7) He opposes gay marriage.

8) He wants better relations with Russia.

He gives soundbites, without any means to implement them.

You clearly would vote for this R'sole.

Sad ain't the word.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2016, 07:43:48 PM
He gives soundbites, without any means to implement them.

You clearly would vote for this R'sole.

Sad ain't the word.

It's a choice between.

Hillary....... corrupt career politician & globalist warmonger.

Trump......not the above.

Vote Trump.

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2016, 07:47:26 PM
Anyone know what Donald is actually planning to do to fulfill his promise to eradicate crime and violence in his country?

Less immigrants, less crime.

That's a start.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 30, 2016, 07:59:01 PM
It's a choice between.

Hillary....... corrupt career politician & globalist warmonger.

Trump......not the above.

Vote Trump.

Why vote for either ?

They are both liars.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2016, 08:03:52 PM
Why vote for either ?

They are both liars.

I can't, I'm English living in Engand.

But , I definitely wouldn't want Hillary as president, & since Trump is the only other choice.....
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 30, 2016, 08:05:12 PM
I can't, I'm English living in Engand.

But , I definitely wouldn't want Hillary as president, & since Trump is the only other choice.....

No he isn't.

and you wouldn't have to vote for either if you were a citizen.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2016, 08:14:19 PM
No he isn't.

and you wouldn't have to vote for either if you were a citizen.

No he isn't what? eh?

& Yes I wouldn't have to vote...., but......if I was a U.S citizen, I definitely wouldn't want Hillary, so I'd go & vote Trump.

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 30, 2016, 08:20:32 PM
No he isn't what? eh?

& Yes I wouldn't have to vote...., but......if I was a U.S citizen, I definitely wouldn't want Hillary, so I'd go & vote Trump.

Read my earlier posts.

There will be a Green Party candidate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2016, 08:28:44 PM
Read my earlier posts.

There will be a Green Party candidate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

Oh right, Greens.

Like I said, it's either Hillary or Trump.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 30, 2016, 08:45:24 PM
Predictable.

There are other candidates as well.

Try researching.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2016, 09:09:35 PM
Predictable.

There are other candidates as well.

Try researching.

None that can win.

It's been either a democrat or republican as president for the past 100 odd years.

It's not likely to change any time soon.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 30, 2016, 09:10:09 PM
Less immigrants, less crime.

That's a start.
Come again?

A majority of studies in the U.S. have found lower crime rates among immigrants than among non-immigrants. Some research even suggests that increases in immigration between 1990 and 2000 may partly explain the reduction in the U.S. crime rate. A 2005 study showed that immigration to large U.S. metropolitan areas does not increase, and in some cases decreases, crime rates there. A 2009 study found that recent immigration was not associated with homicide in Austin, Texas. The low crime rates of immigrants to the United States despite having lower levels of education, lower levels of income and residing in urban areas (factors that should lead to higher crime rates) may be due to lower rates of antisocial behavior among immigrants. A 2016 study finds no link between immigrant populations and violent crime, although there is a small but significant association between undocumented immigrants and drug-related crime.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2016, 09:12:11 PM
Come again?

A majority of studies in the U.S. have found lower crime rates among immigrants than among non-immigrants. Some research even suggests that increases in immigration between 1990 and 2000 may partly explain the reduction in the U.S. crime rate. A 2005 study showed that immigration to large U.S. metropolitan areas does not increase, and in some cases decreases, crime rates there. A 2009 study found that recent immigration was not associated with homicide in Austin, Texas. The low crime rates of immigrants to the United States despite having lower levels of education, lower levels of income and residing in urban areas (factors that should lead to higher crime rates) may be due to lower rates of antisocial behavior among immigrants. A 2016 study finds no link between immigrant populations and violent crime, although there is a small but significant association between undocumented immigrants and drug-related crime.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime

Less people, less crime. That's the logic I was going by. And it's right.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2016, 09:16:23 PM

Voting Green when they'll never get in, you'd do more for the planet by wiping your ass with the ballot paper.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 30, 2016, 09:16:44 PM
Less people, less crime. That's the logic I was going by. And it's right.

So by your logic, no people, no crime.

Simples.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 30, 2016, 09:17:56 PM
Voting Green when they'll never get in, you'd do more for the planet by wiping your ass with the ballot paper.

Well, you can kiss your R'se goodbye, with either Clinton or Trump. 8((()*/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 30, 2016, 09:20:00 PM
So by your logic, no people, no crime.

Simples.

Yep. It's the simplest answer. Like my views on tackling racism post brexit.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 30, 2016, 09:21:08 PM
Yep. It's the simplest answer. Like my views on tackling racism post brexit.

No, it's just plain stupid.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 30, 2016, 09:51:55 PM
Of course! 8((()*/

Sadly millions of dumbass americans share Spam's views to a tee, so that's why it will be President Trump in the White House by the end of the year.

There is an irrational comment if ever there was one. Try thinking about that for at least two seconds with all of your brain engaged............... ?{)(**
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 30, 2016, 09:57:09 PM
There is an irrational comment if ever there was one. Try thinking about that for at least two seconds with all of your brain engaged............... ?{)(**

There are unfortunately a lot of dumbass Americans who can't see beyond the end of their metaphorical noses,  and will vote for that idiot.

Clinton is damaged goods.

Trump will probably win by default, even though he is a complete R'sole.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 30, 2016, 10:52:35 PM
Less people, less crime. That's the logic I was going by. And it's right.
So ship out all the immigrants leaving just the indigenous native Americans, is that his plan?  Interesting....
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 30, 2016, 10:55:05 PM
There is an irrational comment if ever there was one. Try thinking about that for at least two seconds with all of your brain engaged............... ?{)(**
I have fully engaged my brain and can see nothing irrational about what I wrote.  Millions of people think Trump is fabulous and that is why he (Trump) will likely be president.  What is irrational about that?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 31, 2016, 08:42:14 AM
So ship out all the immigrants leaving just the indigenous native Americans, is that his plan?  Interesting....

I'm sure Spam will agree that the native population will be happy to see the back of the palefaces. 8)--))
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on July 31, 2016, 10:00:15 AM
Politifact's "Pants on Fire" section:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/rulings/pants-fire/

Clicking on the Fire gif takes you to all the ones made by that person. Clicking on the claim takes you to the fact-finding section.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on July 31, 2016, 10:39:04 AM
I found this quiz quite interesting.

Answer the following questions to see which 2016 Presidential candidate you side with.

http://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential-quiz?utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=q_us_tc2
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 31, 2016, 10:59:09 AM
I found this quiz quite interesting.

Answer the following questions to see which 2016 Presidential candidate you side with.

http://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential-quiz?utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=q_us_tc2
I side with Hillary, surprise surprise!
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 31, 2016, 11:42:58 AM
I have fully engaged my brain and can see nothing irrational about what I wrote.  Millions of people think Trump is fabulous and that is why he (Trump) will likely be president.  What is irrational about that?

You linked it with W'Spams post which said :
"Yep, that &, take their votes away & send them[women] back to the kitchen where they belong".
That's where your argument falls down.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 31, 2016, 11:47:34 AM
There are unfortunately a lot of dumbass Americans who can't see beyond the end of their metaphorical noses,  and will vote for that idiot.

Clinton is damaged goods.

Trump will probably win by default, even though he is a complete R'sole.

Just to inject a little humour. Hillary when visiting the Philippines as US Secretary of State referred to the Moro Islamic Liberation Front as milf. Look up milf in urban dictionary if you don't already know  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 31, 2016, 11:51:30 AM
I side with Hillary, surprise surprise!

Well not totally one suspects.
Funding ISIL would not seem to sit too well with other of your stated principles.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 31, 2016, 11:57:47 AM
You linked it with W'Spams post which said :
"Yep, that &, take their votes away & send them[women] back to the kitchen where they belong".
That's where your argument falls down.
What argument?  You are making precisely zero sense.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 31, 2016, 11:58:40 AM
Well not totally one suspects.
Funding ISIL would not seem to sit too well with other of your stated principles.
Hillary supports ISIL does she?  Cite?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 31, 2016, 12:00:45 PM
Well not totally one suspects.
Funding ISIL would not seem to sit too well with other of your stated principles.

A vote for Hillary is a vote for war....... in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya & wherever else the world police see fit to destabilize.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 31, 2016, 12:10:09 PM

She wants to end Bashar al Assads regime (Russian ally), by backing the 'moderates' (IS affiliated groups).

Getting rid of Saddam went well didn't it, it gave birth to Isil.

And ousting Gadaffi has gone well too hasn't it, just look at all the migrants.





Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on July 31, 2016, 12:10:38 PM
I side with Hillary, surprise surprise!

Same here, but I apparently also agree with some aspects proposed by other candidates as well - including a minority of Trump's, bizarrely. On the other hand, as he's proposed everything and its opposite, I'm not sure which of his I'm agreeing with.

It takes quite a while to wade through, particularly as there are more nuanced options under "other stances", plus the possibility of adding an extra stance (which I didn't bother with). On some points, I could have chosen more than one of the nuanced ones.

Interesting exercise, I find.




Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 31, 2016, 12:19:18 PM
Same here, but I apparently also agree with some aspects proposed by other candidates as well - including a minority of Trump's, bizarrely. On the other hand, as he's proposed everything and its opposite, I'm not sure which of his I'm agreeing with.

It takes quite a while to wade through, particularly as there are more nuanced options under "other stances", plus the possibility of adding an extra stance (which I didn't bother with). On some points, I could have chosen more than one of the nuanced ones.

Interesting exercise, I find.
Despite being a "Muslim Lover", I scored 31% on Trump's policies concerning immigration.  I guess that's not enough to want to build a wall though!
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 31, 2016, 12:21:02 PM
A vote for Hillary is a vote for war....... in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya & wherever else the world police see fit to destabilize.
Can we have a cite for that please?  Any verbatim quotes in which Hillary has stated that it is her intention once president to (re) start wars in those areas would be great, thanks. 
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 31, 2016, 12:23:21 PM
How do Trump lovers imagine that their hero is going to be able to repatriate 11 million illegal immigrants peacefully and with the full co-operation of the international community?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 31, 2016, 12:24:44 PM
Despite being a "Muslim Lover", I scored 31% on Trump's policies concerning immigration.  I guess that's not enough to want to build a wall though!

Building a border wall is ,of course, a racist idea.

Which means Mexico is racist.

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 31, 2016, 12:30:38 PM
Can we have a cite for that please?  Any verbatim quotes in which Hillary has stated that it is her intention once president to (re) start wars in those areas would be great, thanks.

She was secretary of state during Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq.

And here...

Hillary Clinton will reset Syria policy against 'murderous' Assad regime

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/29/hillary-clinton-will-reset-syria-policy-against-murderous-assad/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 31, 2016, 12:30:54 PM
How is the world, Europe in particular, going to be safer and better off in a world in which Donald Trump believes NATO to be obsolete and wants to see US involvement and funding in NATO scaled back, whilst simultaneously the EU begins to collapse and Trump cosies up to Putin? 
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 31, 2016, 12:32:41 PM
How is the world, Europe in particular, going to be safer and better off in a world in which Donald Trump believes NATO to be obsolete and wants to see US involvement and funding in NATO scaled back, whilst simultaneously the EU begins to collapse and Trump cosies up to Putin?

What?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 31, 2016, 12:34:26 PM
Building a border wall is ,of course, a racist idea.

Which means Mexico is racist.
So you agree Trump is a racist then?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 31, 2016, 12:36:54 PM
So you agree Trump is a racist then?

He must be. The leftist media said so.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 31, 2016, 12:38:59 PM
He must be. The leftist media said so.
No, you just said that building a wall is a racist idea.  Trump wants to build a wall.  So, in your opinion, is Trump a racist?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 31, 2016, 12:59:34 PM

'Mexico’s government on Wednesday slammed US presidential hopeful Donald Trump’s proposals to deport undocumented immigrants en masse and make Mexicans pay for a wall separating the two countries as absurd, racist and ignorant.'

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/19/mexico-condemns-donald-trump-immigration-plan

Mexico has a wall on it's border with Guatamala.

So, Mexico is racist.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 31, 2016, 01:00:10 PM
'Mexico’s government on Wednesday slammed US presidential hopeful Donald Trump’s proposals to deport undocumented immigrants en masse and make Mexicans pay for a wall separating the two countries as absurd, racist and ignorant.'

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/19/mexico-condemns-donald-trump-immigration-plan

Mexico has a wall on it's border with Guatamala.

So, Mexico is racist.
Yep.  And?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 31, 2016, 01:06:29 PM
If Mexico already has a wall, then what is this article all about?

https://panampost.com/elena-toledo/2016/07/28/mexican-newspaper-supports-trumps-wall-but-on-southern-border-with-guatemala/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 31, 2016, 01:09:12 PM
Russia Expert Stephen Cohen: Trump Wants To Stop The New Cold War, But The American Media Just Doesn't Understand.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/07/30/russia_expert_stephen_cohen_trump_wants_to_stop_the_new_cold_war_but_the_america_media_just_doesnt_understand.html

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 31, 2016, 01:09:43 PM
Wall?  Where is the Wall?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala%E2%80%93Mexico_border
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on July 31, 2016, 01:37:21 PM
The American entrepreneur Donald Trump has failed to deliver on pledges to create thousands of jobs through a supposed billion-pound investment that were key to planning approval for his hugely controversial Scottish golf resort, an investigation has found.

By his own admission, Mr Trump has created no more than 200 of his promised 6,000 jobs and is thought to have spent just £25m on the scheme while bulldozing environmentally sensitive areas of the Scottish coast, according to a new analysis of the scheme’s finances.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/donald-trump-fails-to-deliver-on-golf-resort-jobs-pledge-8693854.html
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 31, 2016, 02:33:27 PM
Hillary supports ISIL does she?  Cite?

At the risk of another forty points I will enjoy.
During the start of the Syrian hoohah when Hillary and William[Hague] were doing a double act you must have had your head up your a... if you were not aware of what was being proposed.

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 31, 2016, 03:06:21 PM
At the risk of another forty points I will enjoy.
During the start of the Syrian hoohah when Hillary and William[Hague] were doing a double act you must have had your head up your a..e if you were not aware of what was being proposed.

Just a straightforward link to Hillary Clinton's support of ISIL will do. 
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 31, 2016, 03:25:06 PM
What?
What what?  You questioning the possibility or likelihood that the EU is moving towards a state of collapse?  I thought that's what all you Leavers believed?  It was one reason posited for getting out of the EU by the Leave camp.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on July 31, 2016, 05:42:48 PM
Just to inject a little humour. Hillary when visiting the Philippines as US Secretary of State referred to the Moro Islamic Liberation Front as milf. Look up milf in urban dictionary if you don't already know  ?{)(**

I am already 'aware' of that word.

Likewise I am fully aware of T and C. 8(0(*
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 31, 2016, 07:04:46 PM
Just a straightforward link to Hillary Clinton's support of ISIL will do.


Like in Hillary Clinton and William Hague thought the west should support those opposed to Assad. That included ISIL.
As I recall I have already posted titles of authoritative books on the subject you will find it in there somewhere.

I can see why you support Hillary Clinton....................proxy wars  @)(++(*

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on July 31, 2016, 07:15:13 PM

Like in Hillary Clinton and William Hague thought the west should support those opposed to Assad. That included ISIL.
As I recall I have already posted titles of authoritative books on the subject you will find it in there somewhere.

I can see why you support Hillary Clinton....................proxy wars  @)(++(*
I don't support Hillary Clinton (as you would know if you actually read my posts properly) but nor do I believe she is a supporter of ISIL.  It's an absurd allegation and one that unsurprisingly you are unable to back up with anything resembling a cite.  Typical!
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 01, 2016, 10:08:26 AM
I don't support Hillary Clinton (as you would know if you actually read my posts properly) but nor do I believe she is a supporter of ISIL. It's an absurd allegation and one that unsurprisingly you are unable to back up with anything resembling a cite.  Typical!

Why?
I thought you had me on ignore anyway................
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on August 01, 2016, 10:41:32 AM
Hillary secretly supports ISIL while publicly promising to defeat them, I guess that's what the average Trump fan conspiracy theorist believes anyway...

http://qz.com/554841/hillary-clinton-has-a-24-step-plan-to-defeat-isil/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 02, 2016, 05:33:44 PM
Could someone wake me up when Trump publishes his tax returns? He doesn't have anything to hide, does he?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on August 02, 2016, 06:10:38 PM
Could someone wake me up when Trump publishes his tax returns? He doesn't have anything to hide, does he?

You may have a long wait Carana. 8)--))
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on August 02, 2016, 06:15:55 PM
Meanwhile, Trump has threatened................

 He also promised a “bloodbath” if the Democrats attempted to “steal” the election.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/02/donald-trump-calls-hillary-clinton-the-devil-and-suggests-election-will-be-rigged

Trump labels Clinton 'the devil' and suggests election will be rigged

Republican nominee makes claims on campaign trail while ignoring controversy over his remarks about a Muslim soldier’s parents


Donald Trump calls Hillary Clinton ‘the devil’

Ben Jacobs in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania


Donald Trump has claimed that there is a possibility of the US presidential election being “rigged” as he tried to divert attention away from a disastrous week for his campaign by also labelling his rival Hillary Clinton as “the devil” and praising the primary opponent of Republican speaker Paul Ryan.

The Republican nominee has in the past few days faced a barrage of criticism following his controversial comments about the Gold Star parents of a Muslim soldier killed in Iraq.


Trump says if Ivanka was harassed at work she should 'find another career'
 
In response to an emotional attack on him by the parents of 27-year-old army captain Humayun Khan, who died in a suicide bombing, Trump had claimed to have made sacrifices equal to their son.

A range of figures and organizations from across the political spectrum from John McCain to Barack Obama to the Veterans of Foreign Wars have criticized him for his comments.

But at rallies on Monday Trump declined to address that controversy and, in moments typical of his campaign so far, decided to ignite others.

At a campaign town hall in Columbus, Ohio, Trump said he feared that the election would be “rigged,” in an unprecedented statement for a major party nominee in modern history.

“I’m afraid the election is going to be rigged, I have to be honest,” he told the crowd.

He did not elaborate but later repeated the charge on Monday night with Sean Hannity on Fox News, saying: “November 8th, we’d better be careful, because that election is going to be rigged. And I hope the Republicans are watching closely or it’s going to be taken away from us.”


Roger Stone, a long time confidante of Trump, amplified these concerns in an interview with a far right wing radio show.

Stone said: “I think we have widespread voter fraud, but the first thing that Trump needs to do is begin talking about it constantly.”

Laying out a strategy for Trump to adopt, Stone added: “He needs to say for example, today would be a perfect example: ‘I am leading in Florida. The polls all show it. If I lose Florida, we will know that there’s voter fraud. If there’s voter fraud, this election will be illegitimate, the election of the winner will be illegitimate, we will have a constitutional crisis, widespread civil disobedience, and the government will no longer be the government.’”

He also promised a “bloodbath” if the Democrats attempted to “steal” the election.

On Monday night, Trump also escalated his rhetoric about Democratic rival Clinton. In a packed rally in a high school gym in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, he called the former secretary of state “the devil”.

The statement came after Trump reiterated a frequent allegation of his on the campaign trail in recent days, that in endorsing the former secretary of state, Bernie Sanders made a deal with the devil. He went further this time, explicitly saying: “She’s the devil.”

In his hour-long speech to a cheering crowd of thousands, Trump hit a number of familiar notes. The Republican nominee made exaggerated claims about his poll numbers while railing against free trade agreements and criticizing Nato members for not “paying up”.


The fallout from Trump’s attack on the Khan family
He also reiterated his praise for waterboarding to cheers. Trump complained of Isis: “They can chop off heads, they can drown people, they can bury you in sand and we can’t waterboard.” In the opinion of the Republican presidential nominee, “we’re not playing on a level playing field”.

The two new controversies ignited by Trump were the typical modus operandi of the Republican nominee when he is under attack. Instead of apologizing or backtracking, he has long thrown out a kaleidoscope of allegations in order to shift the news cycle to stories less damaging to him.

In the same vein, Trump surprisingly tweeted praise for Paul Nehlen, the long shot primary opponent of speaker Paul Ryan, who was running a campaign similar to Trump’s focused on trade and immigration.


.........................and people will vote for this fruitcake. &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+

 
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on August 02, 2016, 06:22:49 PM
So basically if the Donald loses he's going to attempt to encourage his country into civil war.  Nice man.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on August 02, 2016, 06:25:19 PM
So basically if the Donald loses he's going to attempt to encourage his country into civil war.  Nice man.

That Alfie seems to be the nature of the beast.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 02, 2016, 07:22:54 PM
Donald Trump on calls to fire campaign manager: I dont do that Im loyal



Speaking at a campaign event in De Pere, Wisconsin, Trump said he would not fire Corey Lewandowski because 'he's loyal'.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/30/donald-trump-on-calls-to-fire-campaign-manager-i-dont-do-that-im/


Erm...
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 02, 2016, 10:29:35 PM
Mr Trump also took aim at the media, suggesting he may revoke press credentials from The New York Times, as he had done from The Washington Post.
http://news.sky.com/story/trump-calls-rival-hillary-clinton-the-devil-10519904

Does anyone have any idea what is meant by that?

Perhaps it's connected to this?
He went on to accuse the New York paper of being "unfair", telling Fox News in an interview: "No matter how good I do on something, they'll never write good."

NB: Why is he talking in some form of pidgin English?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 03, 2016, 09:57:47 AM
Have a read of some of the stories in Blake Hounsell's feed:

https://twitter.com/blakehounshell?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on August 03, 2016, 10:25:47 AM
Have a read of some of the stories in Blake Hounsell's feed:

https://twitter.com/blakehounshell?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

I totally agree Carana, and thanks for the link.

Those anti-Trump should use the following catchphrase.......................

'DUMP the TRUMP'  8)--))
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 03, 2016, 10:30:26 AM
I totally agree Carana, and thanks for the link.

Those anti-Trump should use the following catchphrase.......................

'DUMP the TRUMP'  8)--))

Nice to find something we can agree on, Stephen.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on August 03, 2016, 10:53:53 AM
Nice to find something we can agree on, Stephen.  @)(++(*

Yes it is Carana. 8((()*/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 03, 2016, 11:08:40 AM
So What About Trump's Bromance With Putin and Russia?

http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-08-02/on-trump-s-bromance-with-putin-and-russia


Now, if I were a cynic, I'd be wondering about what's behind some of his comments on Crimea and NATO, amongst others...

NB: Oh, and Brexit.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on August 03, 2016, 11:14:49 AM
So What About Trump's Bromance With Putin and Russia?

http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-08-02/on-trump-s-bromance-with-putin-and-russia


Now, if I were a cynic, I'd be wondering about what's behind some of his comments on Crimea and NATO, amongst others...

NB: Oh, and Brexit.

Indeed Carana, it is known that Trump admires Putin.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 03, 2016, 11:22:13 AM
Indeed Carana, it is known that Trump admires Putin.

He still hasn't made his tax returns public... or did I blink and miss it?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 03, 2016, 11:28:02 AM

Shane Goldmacher Verified account
‏@ShaneGoldmacher

Since I left the office, Trump called Clinton "the devil," fired a top aide and praised Paul Ryan's primary challenger.

I left at 7p.m.

https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/760281735770869761

LOL
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 03, 2016, 11:33:14 AM
Yeah, right. One of the oldest tricks in the book...


Trump-whisperer Roger Stone on the “election will be rigged” strategy to Milo Yiannopoulos:

https://twitter.com/PGourevitch/status/760259258759909379

http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/07/29/roger-stone-milo-show-trump-can-fight-voter-fraud/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 03, 2016, 11:46:05 AM
Trump Says He’ll Spend More Than $500 Billion on Infrastructure

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-08-02/trump-says-he-ll-spend-more-than-half-trillion-dollars-on-infrastructure

Ok.... but then:

Trump was vague when asked how he'd pay for his much larger plan.

“We'll get a fund. We'll make a phenomenal deal with the low interest rates,” he said. Who would provide the money? “People, investors. People would put money into the fund. The citizens would put money into the fund,” he said, adding that he'd use “infrastructure bonds from the country, from the United States.”



Can someone explain to me in words of one syllable or less how that is meant to work?  &%+((£
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 03, 2016, 01:28:42 PM



"Rather than deny the fact that Hillary and the US have been supporting mass murderers ISIS and other terrorists, Gillibrand writes off this fact as 'an accident' ".

http://allnewspipeline.com/Clinton_Supports_Terrorists_US_Senator_Admits.php
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on August 03, 2016, 01:29:15 PM
Trump Says He’ll Spend More Than $500 Billion on Infrastructure

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-08-02/trump-says-he-ll-spend-more-than-half-trillion-dollars-on-infrastructure

Ok.... but then:

Trump was vague when asked how he'd pay for his much larger plan.

“We'll get a fund. We'll make a phenomenal deal with the low interest rates,” he said. Who would provide the money? “People, investors. People would put money into the fund. The citizens would put money into the fund,” he said, adding that he'd use “infrastructure bonds from the country, from the United States.”



Can someone explain to me in words of one syllable or less how that is meant to work?  &%+((£

Magic.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 03, 2016, 01:36:02 PM
Magic.

 8@??)(

That's what I'm thinking.... I just can't see how it would work.

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on August 03, 2016, 01:52:48 PM
8@??)(

That's what I'm thinking.... I just can't see how it would work.

For a so called business man, he seems to have no grasp of economics.

That is also a hallmark of the man. All slogans and no content.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 03, 2016, 02:06:04 PM
For a so called business man, he seems to have no grasp of economics.

That is also a hallmark of the man. All slogans and no content.

(https://notrumpforme.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/obama-2011-trump-white-house-full-cap-1192x750.jpg)
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on August 03, 2016, 02:20:00 PM
(https://notrumpforme.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/obama-2011-trump-white-house-full-cap-1192x750.jpg)


I had a read about Trump's plan to turn the White Himg e into a Casino.

Just for a second I thought it was an April fool's joke. %&5%£ %&5%£
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 03, 2016, 03:17:15 PM

I had a read about Trump's plan to turn the White House into a Casino.

Just for a second I thought it was an April fool's joke. %&5%£ %&5%£

To be fair, I haven't found anything in any serious media about that.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 03, 2016, 04:14:49 PM
Trump is on record as saying that Putin called him a "genius".

Hmmm. Apparently, not.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/18/vladimir-putin-donald-trump-striking-america-superpower

The word he did use has more than one meaning.

Looking at the various meanings, I find the safest would be that he "stands out". That could be taken to mean that he is outstanding (as in great / brilliant, etc.), but "standing out" could also be said of a real bull in a china shop or a clown at a funeral.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on August 03, 2016, 06:07:09 PM
"If Trump loses, says Trump, then it’ll be because the criminals who run everything will have rigged the vote. Any attempt to show how impossible this is, and how Trump has a history of conspiracist thinking, will be met with the counter that this is exactly what the establishment wants you to believe; what their MSM (mainstream media) buddies want you to believe. And, the more the “elite” attacks Trump, the more it proves that they are part of the plot. In conspiracist thinking “independent thought” (ie conspiracy fantasy) is always to be counterposed to “the official version” — a version untrustworthy precisely because it IS official." - David Aronovitch, today's Times

Yes, it's precisely this sort of mentality that permeates pretty much every newsworthy story these days from the McCanns to Jeremy Corbyn to The US elections to 9/11 and every other recent terrorist attack - it's always a  conspiracy engineered by the High-Ups aka the Elite against the little man and fuelled by the 'MSM' and there's not a damn thing anyone can say to refute the arguments as the evidence is always turned around and thrown back at you as evidence of conspiracy.  It's crackers but that's the www.21st century for you.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on August 03, 2016, 06:13:19 PM
"If Trump loses, says Trump, then it’ll be because the criminals who run everything will have rigged the vote. Any attempt to show how impossible this is, and how Trump has a history of conspiracist thinking, will be met with the counter that this is exactly what the establishment wants you to believe; what their MSM (mainstream media) buddies want you to believe. And, the more the “elite” attacks Trump, the more it proves that they are part of the plot. In conspiracist thinking “independent thought” (ie conspiracy fantasy) is always to be counterposed to “the official version” — a version untrustworthy precisely because it IS official." - David Aronovitch, today's Times

Yes, it's precisely this sort of mentality that permeates pretty much every newsworthy story these days from the McCanns to Jeremy Corbyn to The US elections to 9/11 and every other recent terrorist attack - it's always a  conspiracy engineered by the High-Ups aka the Elite against the little man and fuelled by the 'MSM' and there's not a damn thing anyone can say to refute the arguments as the evidence is always turned around and thrown back at you as evidence of conspiracy.  It's crackers but that's the www.21st century for you.

Best not let Sadie see that, she and Icke believe the illuminati stole Madeleine.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Angelo222 on August 03, 2016, 06:19:50 PM
Best not let Sadie see that, she and Icke believe the illuminati stole Madeleine.

 @)(++(* 8@??)(   pure fantasyland. 
Trump has my vote, anything to keep those pesky Mexicans out.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on August 03, 2016, 06:29:37 PM
Best not let Sadie see that, she and Icke believe the illuminati stole Madeleine.
If that's supposed to sting me, it doesn't..
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on August 03, 2016, 06:31:18 PM
@)(++(* 8@??)(   pure fantasyland. 
Trump has my vote, anything to keep those pesky Mexicans out.

Evidently, if you were American, you would vote for this illiterate moron.

His sound-bites are worse than Blair.

As to keeping Mexicans out, why not throw all the immigrants out of America, and just leave the native population.

After all, that is the effective position you take on immigration in this country. 8)-)))
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on August 03, 2016, 06:32:46 PM
@)(++(* 8@??)(   pure fantasyland. 
Trump has my vote, anything to keep those pesky Mexicans out.
And how do you think he's going to achieve that, pray tell?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: misty on August 03, 2016, 06:41:22 PM
And how do you think he's going to achieve that, pray tell?

He'll probably introduce a "shoot on sight" policy or ban the sale of quesadillas.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on August 03, 2016, 06:43:10 PM
He'll probably introduce a "shoot on sight" policy or ban the sale of quesadillas.
I reckon his supporters would certainly give that the thumbs up.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: misty on August 03, 2016, 06:51:25 PM
I reckon his supporters would certainly give that the thumbs up.

Given that Mexico is the second highest country the USA exports to & is 3rd on the total trade list, his supporters will quickly lose the faith.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Angelo222 on August 03, 2016, 09:21:53 PM
And how do you think he's going to achieve that, pray tell?

Hasn't he promised to construct a high wall along the border and fund it out of the annual aid budget paid to Mexico.

(http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/politifact/photos/Long_border_fence.jpg)

A 2006 federal law required a double-layered fence along hundreds of miles of the U.S.-Mexico border. But that law has since undergone significant changes. (U.S Fish & Wildlife Service photo)

www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jul/26/how-trump-plans-build-wall-along-us-mexico-border/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 04, 2016, 10:37:53 AM
Hasn't he promised to construct a high wall along the border and fund it out of the annual aid budget paid to Mexico.

(http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/politifact/photos/Long_border_fence.jpg)

A 2006 federal law required a double-layered fence along hundreds of miles of the U.S.-Mexico border. But that law has since undergone significant changes. (U.S Fish & Wildlife Service photo)

www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jul/26/how-trump-plans-build-wall-along-us-mexico-border/

What "aid budget"?

One idea is that he'd amend a law so that identity controls on financial institutions include wire transfer companies to stop illegal immigrants from sending money back home. Ok, but there are ways around that.

Another idea is somehow and somewhat more nebulously connected to the trade deficit. I'm guessing that that would mean slapping tariffs on Mexican imports, which would mean scrapping the current NAFTA agreement - and that would probably take years.


http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2016/jan/26/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-course-mexico-can-pay-wall-becau/

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/mexico
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 04, 2016, 10:46:29 AM
With his idea of a wall and his bizarre idea of a "fund" to which citizens would somehow willingly contribute to pay for renovating delapidated bridges, I'm wondering if Trump Inc isn't hoping to diversify away from casinos, hotels and golf courses into the public infrastructure sector...  &%+((£



Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 04, 2016, 11:08:46 AM
Another thought... but didn't he say that he wanted to deport all illegal immigrants (a significant proportion of which are presumably Mexicans)?

So... he somehow gets the law changed on the definition of financial institutions. (I actually agree with that, but for different reasons.)

But that doesn't fund his bridge. So what he seems to be actually saying is that the Mexican government should somehow cough up the cost to stop this hypothetical new statute from being enacted so that illegal immigrants (whom he intends to have rounded up and shipped back) can continue to send money back to Mexico. The Mexican government is having trouble paying for basic public services, so I'm not sure where this massive amount of money is meant to come from.

How can he simultaneously deport illegal immigrants and blackmail Mexico into paying for the wall?

I can't make it make sense...  &%+((£
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on August 04, 2016, 11:23:06 AM
US foreign aid budget to Mexico estimated at over $400,000,000 in 2013. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid)

http://us-foreign-aid.insidegov.com/q/112/1590/How-much-money-does-the-U-S-give-to-Mexico
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 04, 2016, 11:27:37 AM
US foreign aid budget to Mexico estimated at over $400,000,000 in 2016.

http://us-foreign-aid.insidegov.com/q/112/1590/How-much-money-does-the-U-S-give-to-Mexico

Ok... assuming that that is still the case.

So what is he proposing to cut down on? Military support? Anti-terrorism cooperation? Fighting narcotics trafficking?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on August 04, 2016, 11:34:59 AM
One suggestion was that Mexico make a one-off payment to the US to pay for the wall otherwise the US would stop remittances being sent back to Mexico by illegal immigrant workers.

http://fox42kptm.com/news/nation-world/five-ways-donald-trump-can-make-mexico-pay-for-the-wall

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/05/donald-trump-mexico-border-wall-plan-remittances
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 04, 2016, 11:37:29 AM
From those 2012 figures...

Development Assistance: $17,948,047
Economic Support Fund/Security Support Assistance: $40,810,450

Ok.

But what do you suppose lies behind that assistance? A noble, charitable "help thy neighbour" motivation?

Or ensuring political stability in a neighbouring country and US-based profitable economic investment?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 04, 2016, 11:38:04 AM
One suggestion was that Mexico make a one-off payment to the US to pay for the wall otherwise the US would stop remittances being sent back to Mexico by illegal immigrant workers.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/05/donald-trump-mexico-border-wall-plan-remittances

Yes, I know. That's the essence of what I posted just further up.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on August 04, 2016, 11:40:38 AM
From those 2012 figures...

Development Assistance: $17,948,047
Economic Support Fund/Security Support Assistance: $40,810,450

Ok.

But what do you suppose lies behind that assistance? A noble, charitable "help thy neighbour" motivation?

Or ensuring political stability in a neighbouring country and US-based profitable economic investment?

Maybe the priorities have changed recently?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 04, 2016, 11:49:04 AM
Maybe the priorities have changed recently?

In whose eyes?

Possibly. In which case, anti-terrorism, police cooperation, drug-smuggling, political stability, improving conditions to help more Mexicans to make a living in their own country, quite probably lower costs for US companies investing in Mexico, a free trade agreement, etc., are no longer important.

OK. Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 04, 2016, 11:57:45 AM

I had a read about Trump's plan to turn the White Himg e into a Casino.

Just for a second I thought it was an April fool's joke. %&5%£ %&5%£

Tongue-in-cheek, no doubt, but I'm starting to realise that it doesn't seem that far from reality.

What I found scary is the very fact that I tried to check if there was any truth to it.  8(8-))
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 04, 2016, 12:07:16 PM
Does anyone have any idea what he means by a "fund" to support public infrastructure?

This wouldn't be a vague euphemism for a new Trump Inc company, by any chance, with foreign investment by - let's say - some of his Russian bromance interests? Can't be, perish the thought....

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 04, 2016, 12:18:02 PM
On a - perhaps superficially - lighter note on the "short-fingered vulgarian":

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/10/graydon-carter-donald-trump#6

Snippets:

Like so many bullies, Trump has skin of gossamer. He thinks nothing of saying the most hurtful thing about someone else, but when he hears a whisper that runs counter to his own vainglorious self-image, he coils like a caged ferret. Just to drive him a little bit crazy, I took to referring to him as a “short-fingered vulgarian” in the pages of Spy magazine. That was more than a quarter of a century ago. To this day, I receive the occasional envelope from Trump. There is always a photo of him—generally a tear sheet from a magazine. On all of them he has circled his hand in gold Sharpie in a valiant effort to highlight the length of his fingers.


The bottom line:

He may be giving the American political system the roughing up it so sorely needs, but even the remote possibility that one of those tiny fingers could be within reach of the nuclear hot button should give any sane Republican the chills.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 04, 2016, 01:27:36 PM
Trump Taj Mahal casino to shut down after years of losses

    4 August 2016
    From the section Business

Image copyright AFP

Trump Taj Mahal, the Atlantic City casino, founded by Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump but no longer under his ownership, will shut down after years of losses.

The owners said the casino had long been unprofitable.

The closure after Labour Day will come after a lengthy strike over benefits.

Closing the Trump Taj Mahal will cost 3,000 jobs, adding to 8,000 workers who were laid off in 2014 when four of the other casinos in the city were closed.

The closure of the Trump Taj Mahal will leave only seven casinos in Atlantic City.

The casino was opened 26 years ago by current Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump.

It was taken over by billionaire Carl Icahn in 2009 when Trump Entertainment filed for bankruptcy - a move which forced Mr Trump to give up all of his investment in his Atlantic City casinos.

Mr Icahn told the AP news agency that he has lost nearly $100 million on the Taj Mahal.
Image copyright Getty Images
Image caption Workers' unions fought for healthcare and pension benefits

Atlantic City's main casino workers union has been on strike against the Taj Mahal since 1 July.

On Thursday, the strike will become the longest in the city's 38-year casino era.

The strike is over the restoration of health insurance and pension benefits. Unions have rejected an offer to restore health insurance at a level less than that of employees at the city's other casinos.

Atlantic City used to be the only gambling centre on the US east coast, but is now struggling with competition from casinos in neighbouring states.



http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36972005
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on August 04, 2016, 01:34:53 PM
The problem with 'The Donald' is that he is first and foremost a hard-nosed businessman whose motto is revenge apparently according to his long term biographer.  He is not a politician and so looks at the world in dollars and cents rather than in human terms.  God only knows what he will do if he is ever elected as President.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 04, 2016, 01:39:06 PM

Donald Trump 'is psychologically unbalanced'

3 August 2016 Last updated at 10:39 BST

Donald Trump is "out of control" according to Jan Halper-Hayes, worldwide vice-president of Republicans Overseas.

Dr Halper-Hayes, who has previously defended Mr Trump, told Today programme presenter Justin Webb that she was "very concerned" about the psychological state of the presidential nominee.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36963984
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on August 04, 2016, 02:00:04 PM
Donald Trump 'is psychologically unbalanced'

3 August 2016 Last updated at 10:39 BST

Donald Trump is "out of control" according to Jan Halper-Hayes, worldwide vice-president of Republicans Overseas.

Dr Halper-Hayes, who has previously defended Mr Trump, told Today programme presenter Justin Webb that she was "very concerned" about the psychological state of the presidential nominee.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36963984

And Clinton is?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 04, 2016, 02:27:11 PM
And Clinton is?

She has got herself into a few messes over time, some perhaps of her own making, others possibly not. I doubt that many here would deny that (whatever the relative importance one chooses to place on it).

On the other hand, I find Trump to be worthy of a Hollywood disaster blockbuster.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on August 04, 2016, 02:30:40 PM
And Clinton is?
This obviously won't be accepted by the Hillary [ censored word ] and the Conspiracy theorists, but worth posting anyway, if only for the sneering it will no doubt engender...  @)(++(*

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/fact-checkers-confirm-hillary-clinton-is-more-honest-than-any-of-her-2016-opponents/24196/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 04, 2016, 02:45:56 PM
The problem with 'The Donald' is that he is first and foremost a hard-nosed businessman whose motto is revenge apparently according to his long term biographer.  He is not a politician and so looks at the world in dollars and cents rather than in human terms.  God only knows what he will do if he is ever elected as President.

I agree with that, but whose dollars and cents?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on August 04, 2016, 05:46:06 PM
I agree with that, but whose dollars and cents?

Anyone's he can get his hands on no doubt.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 04, 2016, 05:56:42 PM
Anyone's he can get his hands on no doubt.

Into whose pocket?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 05, 2016, 09:27:48 AM
His comments about the mother of the slain Muslim US soldier doesn't appear to be going down too well amongst the veteran community. Neither, seemingly, was the Purple Heart stunt.

 Military veterans demand Republicans unendorse Trump and his 'ignorance'

Group of veterans visit Capitol Hill to present petition to Senator John McCain urging him and other Republican leaders to disavow presidential nominee

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/04/us-military-veterans-donald-trump-petition-john-mccain

He has said he's done a lot of fundraising for veterans...

Fair enough, he does appear to have raised quite a bit of money (which transited via his foundation), albeit with a few potential murky areas.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/05/30/tomorrow-trump-will-give-more-details-about-his-donations-to-vets-heres-what-we-still-dont-know

Interestingly, he was ordered to pay $100k to veteran charities as part of one his innumerable court cases. This arrangement dates back to 2006, but it's not clear whether he paid it from his own pocket or whether he did a fund-raiser for it.


In 2006, the Town of Palm Beach began fining Trump $250 per day for ordinance violations related to his erection of an 80-foot-tall (24 m) flagpole flying a 15 by 25 feet (4.6 by 7.6 m) American flag on his property. Trump sued the town for $25 million, saying that they abridged his free speech, also disputing an ordinance that local businesses be "town-serving". The two parties settled as part of a court-ordered mediation, in which Trump was required to donate $100,000 to veterans' charities. At the same time, the town ordinance was modified allowing Trump to enroll out-of-town members in his Mar-a-Lago social club.[66]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 05, 2016, 09:42:55 AM
One more for the conspiracy theorists. Or is it truthful?


http://yournewswire.com/terms-and-conditions/privacy/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Angelo222 on August 05, 2016, 10:41:05 AM
His comments about the mother of the slain Muslim US soldier doesn't appear to be going down too well amongst the veteran community. Neither, seemingly, was the Purple Heart stunt.

 Military veterans demand Republicans unendorse Trump and his 'ignorance'

Group of veterans visit Capitol Hill to present petition to Senator John McCain urging him and other Republican leaders to disavow presidential nominee

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/04/us-military-veterans-donald-trump-petition-john-mccain

He has said he's done a lot of fundraising for veterans...

Fair enough, he does appear to have raised quite a bit of money (which transited via his foundation), albeit with a few potential murky areas.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/05/30/tomorrow-trump-will-give-more-details-about-his-donations-to-vets-heres-what-we-still-dont-know

Interestingly, he was ordered to pay $100k to veteran charities as part of one his innumerable court cases. This arrangement dates back to 2006, but it's not clear whether he paid it from his own pocket or whether he did a fund-raiser for it.


In 2006, the Town of Palm Beach began fining Trump $250 per day for ordinance violations related to his erection of an 80-foot-tall (24 m) flagpole flying a 15 by 25 feet (4.6 by 7.6 m) American flag on his property. Trump sued the town for $25 million, saying that they abridged his free speech, also disputing an ordinance that local businesses be "town-serving". The two parties settled as part of a court-ordered mediation, in which Trump was required to donate $100,000 to veterans' charities. At the same time, the town ordinance was modified allowing Trump to enroll out-of-town members in his Mar-a-Lago social club.[66]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

I don't think Trump or Clinton are fit for office given their history.  They should both be dumped by their respective parties.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on August 05, 2016, 10:47:21 AM
I don't think Trump or Clinton are fit for office given their history.  They should both be dumped by their respective parties.

I agree, but the Democrats won't remove Clinton.

As to Trump, maybe.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 05, 2016, 12:39:05 PM
I don't think Trump or Clinton are fit for office given their history.  They should both be dumped by their respective parties.

It is hard to believe they are the best in a land of 300 million but I said that about Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan back then!
The latest pair of presidential wannabes seem to be following in the footsteps of some who went before them. Should we be surprised ? Should we be unduly worried ? after all we have seen it all before in principle.

Quotes from previous Presidential "wouldbes" ; one of each flavour guess which is which.

"I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever".
"If any demonstrator ever lays down in front of my car, it'll be the last car he'll ever lay down in front of".
"Why does the Air Force need expensive new bombers? Have the people we've been bombing over the years been complaining"?


and:

"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue".

"I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle".


Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 05, 2016, 01:03:07 PM
Interesting comment here:
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/08/03/the-democrats-party-of-joe-mccarthy-and-lyndon-johnson.html

snip>>>>>
"Clinton and her globalism enthusiasts, all reading from the «New Age imperialism» playbooks of George Soros and Gene Sharp, will expect NATO to support US adventurism in Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and south Asia. But British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, a major driving force behind Brexit, will not be a pushover for the Clinton crowd. And if Marine Le Pen should defeat her Socialist and conservative rivals in the 2017 French presidential election and steers France away from the European Union, it could provide a situation where the United States confronts a hostile Britain, France, and Russia, along with Hungary and Austria and, possibly Italy. We could actually see the end of American influence-peddling in Europe with a combination of a Clinton presidency and the rise of populist anti-globalist governments in Europe".<<<<< snip
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on August 05, 2016, 01:33:59 PM
Interesting comment here:
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/08/03/the-democrats-party-of-joe-mccarthy-and-lyndon-johnson.html

snip>>>>>
"Clinton and her globalism enthusiasts, all reading from the «New Age imperialism» playbooks of George Soros and Gene Sharp, will expect NATO to support US adventurism in Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and south Asia. But British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, a major driving force behind Brexit, will not be a pushover for the Clinton crowd. And if Marine Le Pen should defeat her Socialist and conservative rivals in the 2017 French presidential election and steers France away from the European Union, it could provide a situation where the United States confronts a hostile Britain, France, and Russia, along with Hungary and Austria and, possibly Italy. We could actually see the end of American influence-peddling in Europe with a combination of a Clinton presidency and the rise of populist anti-globalist governments in Europe".<<<<< snip

Cant see it, the special relationship means exactly that, special!
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 05, 2016, 02:04:38 PM
Interesting comment here:
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/08/03/the-democrats-party-of-joe-mccarthy-and-lyndon-johnson.html

snip>>>>>
"Clinton and her globalism enthusiasts, all reading from the «New Age imperialism» playbooks of George Soros and Gene Sharp, will expect NATO to support US adventurism in Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and south Asia. But British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, a major driving force behind Brexit, will not be a pushover for the Clinton crowd. And if Marine Le Pen should defeat her Socialist and conservative rivals in the 2017 French presidential election and steers France away from the European Union, it could provide a situation where the United States confronts a hostile Britain, France, and Russia, along with Hungary and Austria and, possibly Italy. We could actually see the end of American influence-peddling in Europe with a combination of a Clinton presidency and the rise of populist anti-globalist governments in Europe".<<<<< snip


I have a hope that BoJO may be pulling his socks up.

In Trump's case, it doesn't seem clear from one day to the next where any hypothetically literal Trump socks may have actually been manufactured.


Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 05, 2016, 02:07:05 PM
A media joke doing the rounds is questioning his ties with Russia. A reply from a tongue-in-cheek media outlet is that his ties were made in China.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Angelo222 on August 05, 2016, 02:17:12 PM

I have a hope that BoJO may be pulling his socks up.

In Trump's case, it doesn't seem clear from one day to the next where any hypothetically literal Trump socks may have actually been manufactured.

Didn't you know that Boris is Theresa's secret weapon?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 05, 2016, 02:58:39 PM
Cant see it, the special relationship means exactly that, special!

You mean as in when the Yanks say "jump" we say "how high"  ?.
We finished paying "lend lease" in Gordon Browns tenure and the days of of Blair and Bush junior, in matching black denim trousers with bomber jackets with an eagle on the back are long since gone. Even "Call me Dave" said to the effect "I must put this before Parliament to vote on before overtly helping you fund terrorists to bash that nasty Mr Assad". You know Mr Assad; him wot happens to lead the government of Syria.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 05, 2016, 03:19:22 PM

I have a hope that BoJO may be pulling his socks up.

In Trump's case, it doesn't seem clear from one day to the next where any hypothetically literal Trump socks may have actually been manufactured.

At one time by skilled craftsmen in the Leicester, Derby, Nottingham triangle.
Now on fast machines in China and Bangladesh. Maybe the Luddites had a point after all  8(>((
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 05, 2016, 03:35:39 PM
At one time by skilled craftsmen in the Leicester, Derby, Nottingham triangle.
Now on fast machines in China and Bangladesh. Maybe the Luddites had a point after all  8(>((

Possibly.... But WTF is he ranting on about other countries stealing US jobs, when a significant part of his own production lines are actually manufactured outside the US?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 05, 2016, 03:43:27 PM
To put it as politely as I can... a substantial part of his logic and fact-finding are obviously a little too much for my small brain.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 05, 2016, 03:48:16 PM
His history of litigation is mind-boggling (IMO).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 05, 2016, 03:54:08 PM
Possibly.... But WTF is he ranting on about other countries stealing US jobs, when a significant part of his own production lines are actually manufactured outside the US?

It is what politicians do because it is what people want to hear.
They do not want to hear:
1. Full employment is a pipe dream. (Except possibly in war time. Now there's a thought...)
2. Some people are unemployable.
3. Our own unit labour costs are so high only the mega rich can afford to buy what we produce.
4. We shunt things out to third world country sweat shops cos that way you can then afford to buy things to which you believe you are entitled just cos you breathe.
Long before everyone got in a muck sweat about Polish plumbers and Lithuanian cabbage pullers most hotels along the south coast employed a lot of French and Belgian staff cos the Brits would not take the jobs. Not only that on average the gastarbeiter were better looking more articulate and better mannered.

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 05, 2016, 03:58:23 PM
And I was barely aware of the ongoing Trump University saga:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_University

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfaLYHCC-HU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfaLYHCC-HU)

The above claim (with several class actions granted) hasn't been tested in court yet, as the trial date on this case, at least, has been set post-election, apparently to avoid a media blitz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84lUQFvHeDk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84lUQFvHeDk)

And his condo fiasco in Baja is another issue.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/mar/07/business/fi-trump7


Good heavens, I thought BoJo was "misleading", but he's a teddy bear in comparison.

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 05, 2016, 04:05:21 PM
It is what politicians do because it is what people want to hear.
They do not want to hear:
1. Full employment is a pipe dream. (Except possibly in war time. Now there's a thought...)
2. Some people are unemployable.
3. Our own unit labour costs are so high only the mega rich can afford to buy what we produce.
4. We shunt things out to third world country sweat shops cos that way you can then afford to buy things to which you believe you are entitled just cos you breathe.
Long before everyone got in a muck sweat about Polish plumbers and Lithuanian cabbage pullers most hotels along the south coast employed a lot of French and Belgian staff cos the Brits would not take the jobs. Not only that on average the gastarbeiter were better looking more articulate and better mannered.

I tend to agree with you on that.

At the moment, I'm simply more gob-smacked at the extent of "half-truths" (i.e. partially factual details cited outside of the broader context), "mis-statements" and various other boldly asserted statements with highly tenuous connections to anything vaguely resembling publicly-accessible verified facts.

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 05, 2016, 04:12:01 PM
It is what politicians do because it is what people want to hear.
They do not want to hear:
1. Full employment is a pipe dream. (Except possibly in war time. Now there's a thought...)
2. Some people are unemployable.
3. Our own unit labour costs are so high only the mega rich can afford to buy what we produce.
4. We shunt things out to third world country sweat shops cos that way you can then afford to buy things to which you believe you are entitled just cos you breathe.
Long before everyone got in a muck sweat about Polish plumbers and Lithuanian cabbage pullers most hotels along the south coast employed a lot of French and Belgian staff cos the Brits would not take the jobs. Not only that on average the gastarbeiter were better looking more articulate and better mannered.

I find something terribly sad in part of this:
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/29/10862134/donald-trump-university

I wonder how many people are voting for him due to their perceptions of success in terms of the "American dream" based on the US version of The Apprentice?

And, to put that into perspective, it's worth reading the link to his innumerable court cases and the pending class actions against him.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 05, 2016, 04:19:38 PM
Yep!

I think we'll have to disagree on that one...

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on August 05, 2016, 06:05:54 PM
There is hope, hallelujah!

"Donald Trump felt the effects of arguably the most calamitous week endured by a US presidential candidate yesterday as polls in critical battleground states showed him on course for a crushing defeat.

The Republican trailed Hillary Clinton by nine points in Michigan; 15 in New Hampshire; 11 in Pennsylvania; and six in Florida.

A national poll by Fox News showed Mrs Clinton ahead by ten points — a margin that, were it to last until November, would be the biggest win since Ronald Reagan crushed Walter Mondale in 1984.

Another national poll released last night by McClatchy-Marist showed an even wider gap, putting Mrs Clinton 15 points ahead" - today's Times.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 05, 2016, 06:17:40 PM
And I was barely aware of the ongoing Trump University saga:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_University

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfaLYHCC-HU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfaLYHCC-HU)

The above claim (with several class actions granted) hasn't been tested in court yet, as the trial date on this case, at least, has been set post-election, apparently to avoid a media blitz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84lUQFvHeDk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84lUQFvHeDk)

And his condo fiasco in Baja is another issue.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/mar/07/business/fi-trump7


Good heavens, I thought BoJo was "misleading", but he's a teddy bear in comparison.

Sorry Carana I didn't make it beyond the first sentence on Trump University, Trump Institute, Trump Organisation Trump This and Trump That; my mind then wandered to hump and The Finch-Browns :

"Doggy Moore and Hawkeye Pierce. On a morning in December, five months after Hawk’s arrival in Spruce Harbor, Dr. Moore said to Dr. Pierce: “Boy, do you make house calls?” “I don’t rule them out,” Hawkeye said, “but there’s not a helluva lot a chest surgeon can do at a house except shake hands and eat unless he gets real lucky.” Doggy gave him a speculative look and asked, “Boy, are you doing anything the rest of the morning?” “How about riding out to Hump Hill with me and taking a look at a Finch-Brown?” “Where is Hump Hill and what is a Finch-Brown?” “Boy, you may have a big league medical education, but you got a lot to learn. Come with me!” They rode in Doggy’s beat-up four-year-old Chevy station wagon and Doggy started to talk. “Now,” he said, “I’m going to tell you about Hump Hill. Hump Hill is ten miles north of Spruce Harbor. It’s just a mile or so beyond Hump Flats and it overlooks Hump Pond. It’s a sparsely settled area, populated entirely by one of our oldest Maine families, the Finch-Browns. The Finch-Browns have honored me the past thirtyfive years by making me their family physician.” “Why do you call it Hump Hill, Hump Pond and Hump Flats?” Hawk asked. “Because those christly Finch-Browns do nothing but hump, eat and drink, morning, noon and night, and there’s more humpin’ than there is eatin’ and they prefer it anyhow. You may think this is bad, but this community has fewer problems than any other in the state. It may be that the rest of the world should study the Finch-Browns very closely and pattern our civilization after theirs, although I doubt it.” “What problems do they have?” “As a general rule, only three: poverty, feeble mindedness and venereal disease.”

from MASH Goes To Maine by Richard Hooker
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on August 05, 2016, 06:37:21 PM
I find something terribly sad in part of this:
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/29/10862134/donald-trump-university

I wonder how many people are voting for him due to their perceptions of success in terms of the "American dream" based on the US version of The Apprentice?

And, to put that into perspective, it's worth reading the link to his innumerable court cases and the pending class actions against him.

Thanks for that link Carana.

To use an Americanism, Trump is a 'Flim-Flam' man.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on August 05, 2016, 07:48:51 PM
Lapsed Republican strategist Liz Mair spoke truth to power on CNN last night, boiling down Donald Trump’s campaign strategy to “being a loudmouthed dick.”


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/aug/04/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-campaign-2016-election

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 05, 2016, 08:04:18 PM
Sorry Carana I didn't make it beyond the first sentence on Trump University, Trump Institute, Trump Organisation Trump This and Trump That; my mind then wandered to hump and The Finch-Browns :

"Doggy Moore and Hawkeye Pierce. On a morning in December, five months after Hawk’s arrival in Spruce Harbor, Dr. Moore said to Dr. Pierce: “Boy, do you make house calls?” “I don’t rule them out,” Hawkeye said, “but there’s not a helluva lot a chest surgeon can do at a house except shake hands and eat unless he gets real lucky.” Doggy gave him a speculative look and asked, “Boy, are you doing anything the rest of the morning?” “How about riding out to Hump Hill with me and taking a look at a Finch-Brown?” “Where is Hump Hill and what is a Finch-Brown?” “Boy, you may have a big league medical education, but you got a lot to learn. Come with me!” They rode in Doggy’s beat-up four-year-old Chevy station wagon and Doggy started to talk. “Now,” he said, “I’m going to tell you about Hump Hill. Hump Hill is ten miles north of Spruce Harbor. It’s just a mile or so beyond Hump Flats and it overlooks Hump Pond. It’s a sparsely settled area, populated entirely by one of our oldest Maine families, the Finch-Browns. The Finch-Browns have honored me the past thirtyfive years by making me their family physician.” “Why do you call it Hump Hill, Hump Pond and Hump Flats?” Hawk asked. “Because those christly Finch-Browns do nothing but hump, eat and drink, morning, noon and night, and there’s more humpin’ than there is eatin’ and they prefer it anyhow. You may think this is bad, but this community has fewer problems than any other in the state. It may be that the rest of the world should study the Finch-Browns very closely and pattern our civilization after theirs, although I doubt it.” “What problems do they have?” “As a general rule, only three: poverty, feeble mindedness and venereal disease.”

from MASH Goes To Maine by Richard Hooker

Ok... I guess that's made me chuckle. So thanks for that. ;)

But this is real life.  8(8-))
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 05, 2016, 08:19:10 PM
Thanks for that link Carana.

To use an Americanism, Trump is a 'Flim-Flam' man.

Have a look through his court cases (I posted the link further up). I found the Trump U and the Baja sagas particularly disturbing.

I don't listen to convention speeches as they send me to sleep, but I was surprised to read about Bloomberg's outburst.


“Trump says he wants to run the nation like he’s running his business? God, help us,” he said, prompting the crowd to jump to their feet. “I’m a New Yorker, and I know a con when I see one.”


http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/bloomberg-dnc-trump-con

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaooWYBvIUE



NB: That's what made me curious enough to check back to see if it was just the usual political back-stabbing.

At least one of his Trump U's court cases will only take place after the elections - and that was a decision  of the judge (to avoid the inevitable media circus) whom he'd very publicly insulted on TV.



Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 05, 2016, 08:28:32 PM
Lapsed Republican strategist Liz Mair spoke truth to power on CNN last night, boiling down Donald Trump’s campaign strategy to “being a loudmouthed dick.”


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/aug/04/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-campaign-2016-election


That seems to be a fairly polite assessment...

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 05, 2016, 08:39:46 PM
Didn't you know that Boris is Theresa's secret weapon?

LOL I'd find this quite funny if it were a sitcom, but unfortunately it's not.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 05, 2016, 08:47:53 PM
There is hope, hallelujah!

"Donald Trump felt the effects of arguably the most calamitous week endured by a US presidential candidate yesterday as polls in critical battleground states showed him on course for a crushing defeat.

The Republican trailed Hillary Clinton by nine points in Michigan; 15 in New Hampshire; 11 in Pennsylvania; and six in Florida.

A national poll by Fox News showed Mrs Clinton ahead by ten points — a margin that, were it to last until November, would be the biggest win since Ronald Reagan crushed Walter Mondale in 1984.

Another national poll released last night by McClatchy-Marist showed an even wider gap, putting Mrs Clinton 15 points ahead" - today's Times.

I'm not a particular fan of Hillary, but the bullying, gossamer-skinned, short-fingered vulgarian with pending class-action cases against him inspires me even less. Particularly with a red button within a million mile radius.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 06, 2016, 12:02:37 PM
Ok... I guess that's made me chuckle. So thanks for that. ;)

But this is real life.  8(8-))

I know and I have seen it all before.
I don't know how old you are Carana but do you remember Barry Goldwater?
He was the Republican candidate who ran against Lyndon Johnson in 1964.
He did have career successes well at least one very important one !
But I guess most remember him for remarks like "Let's lob one into the boys room at The Kremlin"

"Goldwater was painted as a dangerous figure by the Johnson campaign, which countered Goldwater's slogan "In your heart, you know he's right" with the lines "In your guts, you know he's nuts", and "In your heart, you know he might" (that is, he might actually use nuclear weapons as opposed to using only deterrence). ". Familiar huh ?

Despite all that Charles Sweeney still holds the record he hoped he would always keep.

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 06, 2016, 12:14:14 PM
Ok... I guess that's made me chuckle. So thanks for that. ;)

But this is real life.  8(8-))

Everyone should read Hooker's two books:
MASH & MASH Goes To Maine.
The bit about The Holy Rollers in MASH Goes to Maine is priceless.

Sorry mods a bit off topic.... ?{)(**
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 06, 2016, 12:46:09 PM
I know and I have seen it all before.
I don't know how old you are Carana but do you remember Barry Goldwater?
He was the Republican candidate who ran against Lyndon Johnson in 1964.
He did have career successes well at least one very important one !
But I guess most remember him for remarks like "Let's lob one into the boys room at The Kremlin"

"Goldwater was painted as a dangerous figure by the Johnson campaign, which countered Goldwater's slogan "In your heart, you know he's right" with the lines "In your guts, you know he's nuts", and "In your heart, you know he might" (that is, he might actually use nuclear weapons as opposed to using only deterrence). ". Familiar huh ?

Despite all that Charles Sweeney still holds the record he hoped he would always keep.

From a skim read of Goldwater on Wiki, yes, the opposition does appear to have done a bit of scare-mongering over some of his OTT comments / views, but Trump appears to be in a different league altogether. And a substantial proportion of prominent members of his own party appear to be tearing their hair out. The Dems don't need to spend a fortune in anti-Trump ads highlighting weaknesses / gaffes / bullying / "misstatements" / confusion, he does it all by himself.

A round up of a few recent articles.

Yes, American Spies Really Think Trump Is Putin’s Guy
The nominee’s Kremlin ties have become a scandal—and the GOP has nobody to blame but itself for this mess
By John R. Schindler • 08/05/16 4:06pm
http://observer.com/2016/08/yes-american-spies-really-think-trump-is-putins-guy/



I Ran the C.I.A. Now I’m Endorsing Hillary Clinton.

By MICHAEL J. MORELLAUG. 5, 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/opinion/campaign-stops/i-ran-the-cia-now-im-endorsing-hillary-clinton.html?_r=3&mtrref=t.co&assetType=opinion

This is actually about NATO:
Madeline Albright: Donald Trump Is Just 'Weird' | Morning Joe | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFIG8l3TRc8

OK, this could be considered as scare-mongering, but I was thinking the same thing before ever having seen this (and have posted to that effect):
 Imagine Donald Trump With The Nuclear Codes | The Last Word | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=371ppiYpk1U

YT links don't seem to want to embed. Soz.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 06, 2016, 01:26:26 PM
From a skim read of Goldwater on Wiki, yes, the opposition does appear to have done a bit of scare-mongering over some of his OTT comments / views, but Trump appears to be in a different league altogether. And a substantial proportion of prominent members of his own party appear to be tearing their hair out. The Dems don't need to spend a fortune in anti-Trump ads highlighting weaknesses / gaffes / bullying / "misstatements" / confusion, he does it all by himself.

A round up of a few recent articles.

Yes, American Spies Really Think Trump Is Putin’s Guy
The nominee’s Kremlin ties have become a scandal—and the GOP has nobody to blame but itself for this mess
By John R. Schindler • 08/05/16 4:06pm
http://observer.com/2016/08/yes-american-spies-really-think-trump-is-putins-guy/



I Ran the C.I.A. Now I’m Endorsing Hillary Clinton.

By MICHAEL J. MORELLAUG. 5, 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/opinion/campaign-stops/i-ran-the-cia-now-im-endorsing-hillary-clinton.html?_r=3&mtrref=t.co&assetType=opinion

This is actually about NATO:
Madeline Albright: Donald Trump Is Just 'Weird' | Morning Joe | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFIG8l3TRc8

OK, this could be considered as scare-mongering, but I was thinking the same thing before ever having seen this (and have posted to that effect):
 Imagine Donald Trump With The Nuclear Codes | The Last Word | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=371ppiYpk1U

YT links don't seem to want to embed. Soz.

I was around at the time and remember it well. Barry was painted as the very synthesis of Beelzebub and a band of demons all with their hands on the nuclear trigger. It sure gave the electorate the heebiejeebies, they voted for Johnson and another ten years of Vietnam and the Republican party ripped itself apart .......... familiar huh?

Look on the bright side, if Trump really is Putin's man he[Trump] will hardly be lobbing one in on the boys room at The Kremlin will he?. The rest can be sorted out with iron bombs as per norm and Chuck Sweeney lies at peace in his grave with his record intact.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on August 06, 2016, 07:24:58 PM
Have a look through his court cases (I posted the link further up). I found the Trump U and the Baja sagas particularly disturbing.

I don't listen to convention speeches as they send me to sleep, but I was surprised to read about Bloomberg's outburst.


“Trump says he wants to run the nation like he’s running his business? God, help us,” he said, prompting the crowd to jump to their feet. “I’m a New Yorker, and I know a con when I see one.”


http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/bloomberg-dnc-trump-con

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaooWYBvIUE



NB: That's what made me curious enough to check back to see if it was just the usual political back-stabbing.

At least one of his Trump U's court cases will only take place after the elections - and that was a decision  of the judge (to avoid the inevitable media circus) whom he'd very publicly insulted on TV.


These cases do emphasise the nature of the man.

He deserves to get well and truly trumped in court.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on August 10, 2016, 01:21:35 PM
So Trump is advocating violence by the gun lobby to get rid of Clinton , if she dares to tackle the issue of the right to bear arms.

However, he really didn't mean it, and it was just the left wing  press quoting out of context.

 8**8:/: &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+

It was interesting to watch the morons supporting him at his latest public event.   %&5%£ %&5%£
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on August 10, 2016, 04:32:37 PM
So Trump is advocating violence by the gun lobby to get rid of Clinton , if she dares to tackle the issue of the right to bear arms.

However, he really didn't mean it, and it was just the left wing  press quoting out of context.

 8**8:/: &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+

It was interesting to watch the morons supporting him at his latest public event.   %&5%£ %&5%£

Desperation could be setting in?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on August 10, 2016, 07:42:01 PM
Desperation could be setting in?

I suspect there is worse to come from him, yet some will still vote for this major R'sole.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 11, 2016, 07:41:52 PM
Desperation could be setting in?

Not yet. It [the presidential campaign] doesn't usually raise a head of steam until after Labor Day.
Is Donald Trump crazy like a fox ? or just plain crazy ?
Wait to see it kick off around 6th Sept ............  8(0(*

Second Amendment:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".
Clear enough ......  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 13, 2016, 10:56:17 AM
Not yet. It [the presidential campaign] doesn't usually raise a head of steam until after Labor Day.
Is Donald Trump crazy like a fox ? or just plain crazy ?
Wait to see it kick off around 6th Sept ............  8(0(*

Second Amendment:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".
Clear enough ......  ?{)(**


Of course they didn't plan on ISIS coming on over and a settlin in with their guns and taking over one or two states! Does anyone think this isn't on the cards for them to 'move' abroad. This should be a real fear for the  good ole US OF A.

These elections are all about drama, getting attention and there is no such thing as bad publlicity....Well.. erm
Seriously,This is all about the show and the showmanship...Trump has the 'Trump' card on this little baby
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on August 13, 2016, 09:47:50 PM

Of course they didn't plan on ISIS coming on over and a settlin in with their guns and taking over one or two states! Does anyone think this isn't on the cards for them to 'move' abroad. This should be a real fear for the  good ole US OF A.

These elections are all about drama, getting attention and there is no such thing as bad publlicity....Well.. erm
Seriously,This is all about the show and the showmanship...Trump has the 'Trump' card on this little baby

Would you vote for a fart as President if you were an American citizen ?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 14, 2016, 06:29:29 PM
Would you vote for a fart as President if you were an American citizen ?

Oh Stephen.. choice frying pan and fire come to mind...
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on August 25, 2016, 08:25:34 AM
(http://s3.firstpost.in/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Naked_Trump_Getty.jpg)

Apparently Trump has lost his b#lls. @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 25, 2016, 06:06:14 PM
(http://s3.firstpost.in/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Naked_Trump_Getty.jpg)

Apparently Trump has lost his b#lls. @)(++(* @)(++(*

I saw that.

A bit crude (IMO), and could distract in terms of media talking points from his lack of substance on policy issues. But that was at least a week or so ago in terms of Trump mania / phobia.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on August 25, 2016, 07:49:39 PM
I saw that.

A bit crude (IMO), and could distract in terms of media talking points from his lack of substance on policy issues. But that was at least a week or so ago in terms of Trump mania / phobia.

You're probably right, in that it is a bit crude Carana, but I did give the tailored version.

However, the lack of external regalia epitomizes Trump.

All mouth and no trousers.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on August 25, 2016, 09:36:33 PM
You're probably right, in that it is a bit crude Carana, but I did give the tailored version.

However, the lack of external regalia epitomizes Trump.

All mouth and no trousers.

I know you gave the "tailored" version. ;)

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: misty on September 23, 2016, 10:12:48 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-naked-donald-trump-statue-stolen-miami-42302385

"The Las Vegas Review-Journal reports (http://bit.ly/2dgwWEF) that all that remained was a pedestal with two pink feet attached."

LOL. Some people will nick anything...................................
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on September 27, 2016, 01:39:27 PM
Views on the Trump / Clinton debate?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Jean-Pierre on September 27, 2016, 02:20:13 PM
Views on the Trump / Clinton debate?

I think its a case of which is least worst.

In my view Clinton would make a better president of the USA - she has the air of being a better administrator, and that is a good quality in a president.

Trump is all over the place, making things up as he goes along and shooting from the hip.  A trump presidency would without doubt be more "exciting".

I do have a nagging memory of the Reagan years though - it was widely predicted that he would be a disaster as a president but turned out to be quite good.  He was an excellent communicator.  And no, I am not forgetting the long running "spitting images" gag of "the presidents brain is missing".

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on September 27, 2016, 02:44:10 PM
I think its a case of which is least worst.

In my view Clinton would make a better president of the USA - she has the air of being a better administrator, and that is a good quality in a president.

Trump is all over the place, making things up as he goes along and shooting from the hip.  A trump presidency would without doubt be more "exciting".

I do have a nagging memory of the Reagan years though - it was widely predicted that he would be a disaster as a president but turned out to be quite good.  He was an excellent communicator.  And no, I am not forgetting the long running "spitting images" gag of "the presidents brain is missing".

More "exciting"...

The problem I find is that being elected to the position of a first-world power is not a TV show in which someone can simply turn up and announce "you're fired", nor hit on a button to eliminate a candidate in a musical entertainment contest.

He appears to have garnered support on the successful businessman versus politician ticket, yet he refuses to release his tax returns...
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Angelo222 on September 27, 2016, 03:04:10 PM
I watched the entire debate last night and must say neither of them was impressive.  Clinton laughs off everything while Trump harps back to Clinton's failures.  All I can say is God help us all!!!

ps  I thought it interesting that Putin and Russia were never mentioned.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on September 27, 2016, 03:06:39 PM
I watched the entire debate last night and must say neither of them was impressive.  Clinton laughs off everything while Trump harps back to Clinton's failures.  All I can say is God help us all!!!

Quite right Angelo.

They're really as bad as each other
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Jean-Pierre on September 27, 2016, 03:08:49 PM
More "exciting"...

The problem I find is that being elected to the position of a first-world power is not a TV show in which someone can simply turn up and announce "your fired", nor hit on a button to eliminate a candidate in a musical entertainment contest.

He appears to have garnered support on the successful businessman versus politician ticket, yet he refuses to release his tax returns...

I think he has a real problem there.  Since 1976 its been a tradition that nominees release their tax returns so he is out of step. 

He is trying to wriggle by saying he will release them but Clinton must release the private server Emails first - that may work with his fans  but any undecided voters will see that as v v negative.

And his comment during the debate - when Clinton pointed out that the only tax returns he has made public (for a casino licence) showed that no tax had been paid in two years - his comment "that makes me smart" - is an absolute killer for US citizens who have to make a detailed and v expensive IRS return each year.

Current score - 15 love to Clinton.   
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on September 27, 2016, 03:32:37 PM
I think he has a real problem there.  Since 1976 its been a tradition that nominees release their tax returns so he is out of step. 

He is trying to wriggle by saying he will release them but Clinton must release the private server Emails first - that may work with his fans  but any undecided voters will see that as v v negative.

And his comment during the debate - when Clinton pointed out that the only tax returns he has made public (for a casino licence) showed that no tax had been paid in two years - his comment "that makes me smart" - is an absolute killer for US citizens who have to make a detailed and v expensive IRS return each year.

Current score - 15 love to Clinton.

Hillary isn't above reproach.

And what she actually said about his tax affairs may be a bit misleading, according to http://www.politifact.com/

On the other hand, it's not clear why he has refused to make them public.

More importantly, I find him to have the maturity of a 5-year-old. A bit worrying...


Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Jean-Pierre on September 27, 2016, 04:01:57 PM
Hillary isn't above reproach.

And what she actually said about his tax affairs may be a bit misleading, according to http://www.politifact.com/

On the other hand, it's not clear why he has refused to make them public.

More importantly, I find him to have the maturity of a 5-year-old. A bit worrying...

Thanks for that Carana - interesting.  Playing devils advocate - that was 1981.  A while ago! 

There are a number of possible reasons.  If it was a rational individual it would be because it has stuff in it that would be damaging.  But with Trump?  It could just be that he likes playing games and winding up his opponents.  His approach to argument reminds me of my grandson, who is now 6.  (Although most of his arguments are less "I want to be leader of the free world" and more "I want more chocolate" based)   

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on September 27, 2016, 04:07:48 PM
Thanks for that Carana - interesting.  Playing devils advocate - that was 1981.  A while ago! 

There are a number of possible reasons.  If it was a rational individual it would be because it has stuff in it that would be damaging.  But with Trump?  It could just be that he likes playing games and winding up his opponents.  His approach to argument reminds me of my grandson, who is now 6.  (Although most of his arguments are less "I want to be leader of the free world" and more "I want more chocolate" based)   


I'm not convinced that Team Trump would be adverse to more chocolate...
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on September 27, 2016, 04:13:21 PM
Anyone can change their minds over time. I have no problem with that. But he has a tendency to flatly deny things he's said in the past as if they never happened.

I don't feel comfortable with someone who does that as I find it hard to distinguish when to believe someone as being essentially genuine or not.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on September 27, 2016, 04:37:33 PM
Anyone can change their minds over time. I have no problem with that. But he has a tendency to flatly deny things he's said in the past as if they never happened.

I don't feel comfortable with someone who does that as I find it hard to distinguish when to believe someone as being essentially genuine or not.

He behaves like a petulant child, who regardless of the fact that he comes out with blatant lies, refuses to admit them, let  alone apologize.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Jean-Pierre on September 27, 2016, 05:08:39 PM
He behaves like a petulant child, who regardless of the fact that he comes out with blatant lies, refuses to admit them, let  alone apologize.

And its very hard to have a rational argument  with someone like that.  If they tell a blatant lie and you challenge them, you end up in a "prove it!" style argument.   and then no proof will ever be acceptable.  It gets nowhere fast. 

An oblique example is Trump being challenged to produce his tax returns (as is the custom) - response - "Ill produce them after Clinton publishes all of the private emails". 

Which is impossible for all sorts of reasons.  And if she did, then there would be a lot of reasons why the tax returns would not be produced, of course. 

The USA needs to think very carefully about their voting in November. 

(Maybe we should rescind the "independence" thing, and bring them back to being a colony)
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Angelo222 on September 27, 2016, 05:30:00 PM
There isn't that much between Clinton and Trump when it comes down to it.  Both have been ruthless in their respective careers in their drive to be top dog.  Both have stood on and put down the little guy so in my view they are both just wrong to be the next President of the USA.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on September 27, 2016, 07:02:12 PM
He behaves like a petulant child, who regardless of the fact that he comes out with blatant lies, refuses to admit them, let  alone apologize.

That's my impression as well. Except, for his recent admission that he accepted that Obama was indeed born in the US.

How many years has he been disputing that? And why admit that now? Nothing to do with attempting to win over minority votes, by any chance?


Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on September 27, 2016, 07:07:48 PM
That's my impression as well. Except, for his recent admission that he accepted that Obama was indeed born in the US.

How many years has he been disputing that? And why admit that now? Nothing to do with attempting to win over minority votes, by any chance?

It  is out of character for him to admit he made a mistake.

Perhaaps a sign of desperation, or is he just trying to con the American public ?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on September 27, 2016, 07:10:05 PM
There isn't that much between Clinton and Trump when it comes down to it.  Both have been ruthless in their respective careers in their drive to be top dog.  Both have stood on and put down the little guy so in my view they are both just wrong to be the next President of the USA.

At the end of the day, though, with whom would you feel less uncomfortable having a finger anywhere near a red button?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on September 27, 2016, 07:13:17 PM
It  is out of character for him to admit he made a mistake.

Perhaaps a sign of desperation, or is he just trying to con the American public ?


I expect his never-ending stream of advisers simply told him to just grow up, admit it, and move on.

The only problem... is that he still comes across as a petulant 70-year-old little boy.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trum p
Post by: stephen25000 on September 27, 2016, 07:19:54 PM
thheh

I expect his never-ending stream of advisers simply t &%&£(+old him to just grow up, admit it, and move on.

The only problem... is that he still comes across as a petulant 70-year-old little boy.

I completely agree Carana.

It's a pity he wasn't up against another main candidate, they would wipe the floor with him.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trum p
Post by: Carana on September 27, 2016, 07:29:30 PM
I completely agree Carana.

It's a pity he wasn't up against another main candidate, they would wipe the floor with him.

Graun: The nation that brought you Batman v Superman and Captain America v Iron Man held its breath for Mrs Know It All v Mr Know Nothing.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on September 27, 2016, 07:49:40 PM
Don't forget Ronald Reagan and Bonzo the Chimp.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 30, 2016, 09:06:16 AM
At the end of the day, though, with whom would you feel less uncomfortable having a finger anywhere near a red button?

Consider how many wars Donald Trump been has involved in.

Then, compare that answer with how many wars Hillary Clinton has been involved in.

Then, look at Hillary Clinton's rhetoric on Russia & Putin....& compare that with Donald Trumps.

[ moderated ]

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: sadie on September 30, 2016, 10:35:53 PM
http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/9e1KgoG9SeVuGL9Yc_zt8w--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztmaT1pbnNldDtoPTM1NztxPTc5O3c9NjQw/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/video/video.cbstv.com/433fd6c649cae19965f231c4d209ca3a

(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/9e1KgoG9SeVuGL9Yc_zt8w--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztmaT1pbnNldDtoPTM1NztxPTc5O3c9NjQw/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/video/video.cbstv.com/433fd6c649cae19965f231c4d209ca3a)

  *&*%£

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 01, 2016, 11:46:32 AM
Dalai Lama: Putin Is Right, U.S. Created ISIS

(http://cdns.yournewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Dalai-lama-Putin-ISIS-700x350.jpg)

(May 27, 2016)

The Dalai Lama has praised Russian President Vladimir Putin for his brave and relentless crusade against ISIS in the Middle East, saying that he believes that the U.S. government are responsible for their creation.

The Tibetan Buddhist spiritual leader urged the Obama administration to alter America’s catastrophic foreign policies in the Middle East before its too late.

“I believe the crux of today’s Middle-East problem is laid in Obama administration policies and the Saudi interference in Syrian crisis. When Saudi clerics fallaciously claim they represent Islam and they side with cutthroats in Syria; thus they give the radical groups a plausible excuse for their heinous crimes against innocent civilians,” AFP quoted the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader as saying.

http://yournewswire.com/dalai-lama-putin-is-right-u-s-created-isis/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 08, 2016, 03:08:32 PM
HIGNFY was interestimg last night.
It seemed both Mr Hislop and Mr Merton were of the opinion that Mr Trump will be next US President.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 08, 2016, 06:37:51 PM


http://us-presidents.insidegov.com/stories/5315/most-intelligent-presidents?utm_medium=cm&utm_source=outbrain&utm_campaign=i3.cm.ob.dt.5315

Interesting that Clinton and Kennedy are near the top.
Absolute evidence of the theory that God made a major design cock up with man.
Two organs and a blood supply that could only operate one at a time.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on October 10, 2016, 03:58:04 AM
Anyone impressed by the latest Clinton - Trump debate on telly?   &%+((£
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 10, 2016, 08:16:25 AM

Trump owned Hitler-y Clinton on those deleted emails & the rigged DNC primaries.

From 19:30 to 27:15

https://youtu.be/Izi_rs0UA-8?t=1190

"You'd be in jail"   

 @)(++(*


Lock her up!
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Angelo222 on October 10, 2016, 11:12:17 AM
The American people are embarrassed and rightly so if this is the best the next President of the United States can offer.  Neither of them is fit for office and the sooner the people wake up the better for all of us.  Both of them are crooks but have gotten away with it because of their wealth and connections.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Eleanor on October 10, 2016, 11:19:05 AM

I find it hard to decide which one is the most awful.  But there's nothing much new about that.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Angelo222 on October 10, 2016, 01:06:11 PM
I find it hard to decide which one is the most awful.  But there's nothing much new about that.

It is nice to be able to agree with you on this one Elie.    8((()*/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Eleanor on October 10, 2016, 01:09:23 PM
It is nice to be able to agree with you on this one Elie.    8((()*/

It is indeed.

I wouldn't be quite so bad if these idiots didn't believe that The President actually gets to run America.  As if.  Although one might thank God that he or she doesn't.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on October 10, 2016, 01:51:41 PM
I must say I stayed up to watch the encounter this morning but was sadly unimpressed by either of them.  Is this really the best the US can produce these days?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Eleanor on October 10, 2016, 02:41:24 PM

You know what they say.  If God had wanted America to have Presidents then he would have given them decent candidates.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Angelo222 on October 10, 2016, 02:51:38 PM
You know what they say.  If God had wanted America to have Presidents then he would have given them decent candidates.

I think the US has lost its way in the world.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 10, 2016, 02:55:58 PM
I must say I stayed up to watch the encounter this morning but was sadly unimpressed by either of them.  Is this really the best the US can produce these days?


It's important to note that, as with the first debate, the moderators are Clinton, Democrat sympathisers.
As are most of the U.S MSM outlets.

Anderson Cooper works for CNN (The Clinton News Network) & Martha Raddatz works for ABC, 'The Kenyan' went to her wedding.

Trump didn't do too bad for 3 vs 1.

Trump was pressed 6 times by Cooper (The Democrats preprepared inquest) about his blokey banter, rather than taking audience questions.

When Trump took Hillary to task over her husbands rape allegations & her attacking his victims, as well as her laughing about getting a soft sentence for a child rapist,......she didn't defend Bill,  she dodged the subject......now, why might that be?  &%+((£

https://youtu.be/Izi_rs0UA-8?t=910
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 10, 2016, 03:05:17 PM

Did anyone happen to notice Hillary Clinton's NWO agenda?

No, not really did they.  Because the media only wants to divert & silence Trump.

Hillary Clinton plans to increase immigration by 550% & abolish borders.

Spread the Jihadi's around, like they are in Europe.

But obviously Trump talking pervy is of much more importance, internationally.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Angelo222 on October 10, 2016, 03:10:58 PM
Did anyone happen to notice Hillary Clinton's NWO agenda?

No, not really did they.  Because the media only wants to divert & silence Trump.

Hillary Clinton plans to increase immigration by 550% & abolish borders.

Spread the Jihadi's around, like they are in Europe.

But obviously Trump talking pervy is of much more importance, internationally.

Clinton will do just about anything to become the first female President of the US.  She is trying to be all things to all people, a well tried and tested political trick.  Trump is right about one thing, Clinton has has 30 years to make a difference but in the main it is her own pockets and those of her closest friends that she has filled.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 10, 2016, 03:14:54 PM
Clinton will do just about anything to become the first female President of the US.  She is trying to be all things to all people, a well tried and tested political trick.  Trump is right about one thing, Clinton has has 30 years to make a difference but in the main it is her own pockets and those of her closest friends that she has filled.

...and what is Trump all about ?

MONEY.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 10, 2016, 03:26:07 PM

Yep, Money.

He wants to spend the US tax dollar on mending America, rather than warmongering around the globe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bn75_DDUe0

That's why the establishment hate him.

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Eleanor on October 10, 2016, 03:27:55 PM

Personally, I liked Dubya V.  This should tell you how much I understand about American Politics.  But I thought he was deliberately and hilariously funny.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 10, 2016, 03:44:22 PM

It's important to note that, as with the first debate, the moderators are Clinton, Democrat sympathisers.
As are most of the U.S MSM outlets.

Anderson Cooper works for CNN (The Clinton News Network) & Martha Raddatz works for ABC, 'The Kenyan' went to her wedding.

Trump didn't do too bad for 3 vs 1.

Trump was pressed 6 times by Cooper (The Democrats preprepared inquest) about his blokey banter, rather than taking audience questions.

When Trump took Hillary to task over her husbands rape allegations & her attacking his victims, as well as her laughing about getting a soft sentence for a child rapist,......she didn't defend Bill,  she dodged the subject......now, why might that be?  &%+((£

https://youtu.be/Izi_rs0UA-8?t=910



Who would you have recommended aside from Sean Hannity?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 10, 2016, 03:49:24 PM
Neither are perfect, but one seems to have a consistently looser relationship with the truth than the other (IMO).

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/elections/2016/president-united-states/

And then there is the alternative chap who hadn't heard of Aleppo...




Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 10, 2016, 04:29:48 PM
Yep, Money.

He wants to spend the US tax dollar on mending America, rather than warmongering around the globe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bn75_DDUe0

That's why the establishment hate him.

Whose US tax dollar?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 10, 2016, 04:48:30 PM
Numerous traditionally right-wing media appear to have had already thrown in the towel on him. And that was some time before gropegate.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/01/newspaper-endorsements-donald-trump-arizona-republic
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 10, 2016, 05:03:13 PM


Who would you have recommended aside from Sean Hannity?

That's the point I made, the MSM is majority anti Trump. Political manipulation of the media, & the MSM is majority democrat, because they get hefty donations from Soros.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 10, 2016, 05:04:58 PM
Neither are perfect, but one seems to have a consistently looser relationship with the truth than the other (IMO).

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/elections/2016/president-united-states/

And then there is the alternative chap who hadn't heard of Aleppo...

One has a track record of destroying nation states, the other is Donald Trump.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 10, 2016, 05:08:49 PM
Neither are perfect, but one seems to have a consistently looser relationship with the truth than the other (IMO).

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/elections/2016/president-united-states/

And then there is the alternative chap who hadn't heard of Aleppo...

As I recall last time out Hillary was forced into a position where she had to apologise for "misspeaking" as she put it, a.k. a telling barefaced lies. Some one still had the news reel to show she was on a red carpet not dodging bullets as she maintained.
Then of course in later life long after the Watergate Hotel hooha Richard Nixon a.k.a Tricky Dicky said Hillary was bent re Whitewater. Being described as bent by a man who Harry S Truman described thus: "Richard Nixon is a no good, lying b......... He can lie out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, and if he ever caught himself telling the truth, he'd lie just to keep his hand in". is no recommendation.

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 10, 2016, 05:13:24 PM
One has a track record of destroying nation states, the other is Donald Trump.

The other is supposedly a self-financed hopeful (despite a donate button and various fundraisers), who hasn't released his tax returns, who admitted that he hadn't paid federal tax, yet advocates tax reductions for people like himself,

If his idea of diplomacy is charging in like a bull in a china shop and announcing "You're fired!" to anyone who disagrees with him on the world stage when he fudges about any questions that might eventually have made people think that he actually had a grasp on the issues he'd need to face..... I'm not surprised that quite a few Republican bigwigs are getting a bit nervous.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 10, 2016, 05:14:06 PM
Personally, I liked Dubya V.  This should tell you how much I understand about American Politics.  But I thought he was deliberately and hilariously funny.

According to David Kilcullen in "The Blood Years" George Dubyah was an astute and canny operator once he had shut the doors on the TV cameras and the hacks.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 10, 2016, 05:19:19 PM
As I recall last time out Hillary was forced into a position where she had to apologise for "misspeaking" as she put it, a.k. a telling barefaced lies. Some one still had the news reel to show she was on a red carpet not dodging bullets as she maintained.
Then of course in later life long after the Watergate Hotel hooha Richard Nixon a.k.a Tricky Dicky said Hillary was bent re Whitewater. Being described as bent by a man who Harry S Truman described thus: "Richard Nixon is a no good, lying b......... He can lie out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, and if he ever caught himself telling the truth, he'd lie just to keep his hand in". is no recommendation.

I wouldn't put her above criticism, either.

The issue seems to be trying to work out who is least likely to be a total disaster.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 10, 2016, 05:21:33 PM
I think the US has lost its way in the world.

It still believes in "manifest destiny". Having pulled it off with the Red Man Native American the US is now going for the world.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 10, 2016, 05:30:54 PM
I wouldn't put her above criticism, either.

The issue seems to be trying to work out who is least likely to be a total disaster.

One is a career politician who has policies that guarantee war with Russia, & there being lots of dead people as a result.

The other is a businessman, with terrible hair, who doesn't want war, but he called a woman fat 20 years ago & has talked about groping p***y.

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 10, 2016, 05:35:42 PM
I wouldn't put her above criticism, either.

The issue seems to be trying to work out who is least likely to be a total disaster.

Trump.
The machine will find it easier to bypass him if he tries anything too outrageous.
If she becomes president we have the spectre of UK being dragged into US wars based on their world wide poltical aims. In my lifetime only Harold Wilson stood up to them and it did us no harm.
When parliament voted against UK action in Syria in 2013 Philip Hammond said "....it would harm Britain's "special relationship" with Washington". That was after William Hague had been following Hillary all over the Middle East like some bleeding puppy saying  we should support those against Assad [ISIS]. Yeah good idea Drayman Bill.
We need to grasp there is no special relationship.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 10, 2016, 05:36:01 PM
One is a career politician who has policies that guarantee war with Russia, & there being lots of dead people as a result.

The other is a businessman, with terrible hair, who doesn't want war, but he called a woman fat 20 years ago & has talked about groping p***y.

With what so far appears to be the potential diplomatic skills of a silver-backed gorilla...
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 10, 2016, 05:39:12 PM
With what so far appears to be the potential diplomatic skills of a silver-backed gorilla...

Hitlery Clinton has described Putin as 'Like Hitler' said 'he has no soul' & called him 'The Grand Godfather of Right Wing Nationalism'......?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 10, 2016, 05:42:07 PM
Hitlery Clinton has described Putin as 'Like Hitler' said 'he has no soul' & called him 'The Grand Godfather of Right Wing Nationalism'......?

Is there any way of verifiying Trump's potential business connections to the Russian oligarchy?

Is there any legal reason why he won't release his tax records?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 10, 2016, 06:14:27 PM
"Do I have a problem when a sitting secretary of State and a foundation run by her husband collects many, many dollars from foreign governments — governments which are dictatorships?

"Yeah, I do have a problem with that. Yeah, I do,"

Bernie Sanders.  Democrat.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/282261-sanders-clinton-foundation-engaged-in-conflicts-of
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Eleanor on October 10, 2016, 06:32:10 PM
According to David Kilcullen in "The Blood Years" George Dubyah was an astute and canny operator once he had shut the doors on the TV cameras and the hacks.

Glad to agree.  He wasn't half daft.  And he sussed that he was basically irrelevant, which I think he thought was funny. 

If one actually listened to his boo boos there was a lot of wit therein.  Sadly, most people thought he was a fool so they didn't get it.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 10, 2016, 06:33:19 PM

"Do I have a problem when a sitting secretary of State and a foundation run by her husband collects many, many dollars from foreign governments — governments which are dictatorships?

"Yeah, I do have a problem with that. Yeah, I do,"

Bernie Sanders.  Democrat.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/282261-sanders-clinton-foundation-engaged-in-conflicts-of

The Clinton Foundation, a nonprofit established by Bill Clinton to implement development programs in third-world countries, has received donations from countries including Saudi Arabia. The kingdom gave between $10 million and $25 million to the foundation between the time the foundation was created through 2014, according to Politifact, though it stopped giving when she was secretary of State.

 
So, Hitlery has not personally been funded by the Saudis.  Thanks for clarifying.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 10, 2016, 06:48:36 PM
The Clinton Foundation, a nonprofit established by Bill Clinton to implement development programs in third-world countries, has received donations from countries including Saudi Arabia. The kingdom gave between $10 million and $25 million to the foundation between the time the foundation was created through 2014, according to Politifact, though it stopped giving when she was secretary of State.

 
So, Hitlery has not personally been funded by the Saudis.  Thanks for clarifying.

Oh I see, so the Clinton Foundation, which Hillary Clinton chairs, along with her husband,  belongs to someone else then.

Silly me.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 10, 2016, 06:51:18 PM
Oh I see, so the Clinton Foundation, which Hillary Clinton chairs, along with her husband,  belongs to someone else then.

Silly me.
Yes Silly you.  Is Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign being funded by the Saudis as you implied earlier - yes or no? 
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 10, 2016, 06:58:09 PM
Yes Silly you.  Is Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign being funded by the Saudis as you implied earlier - yes or no?

I said, 'Hitler-y Clinton gets Saudi money'

And she does.


Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 10, 2016, 07:05:59 PM
I said, 'Hitler-y Clinton gets Saudi money'

And she does.
What is this money used for?  And another question - does the Donald have any business interests with Saudi? 
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 10, 2016, 07:06:31 PM
"It's a way, effectively, to get around those campaign laws," noted Peter Schweizer, author of the extensively documented book "Clinton Cash," in a recent interview. "Hillary Clinton running for president in 2008, if you're a foreign oligarch, you can't give to her campaign, but you can have Bill Clinton give a 20-minute speech for half a million dollars, or you can make a $5 million donation to the Clinton Foundation, and you've got access every bit as much as if you had raised money for their political campaign. That's really what the Clintons have done."

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/george-soros-the-hillary-democrats-billionaire-puppetmaster/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 10, 2016, 07:10:44 PM
RedState is always "good for a laugh":

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/06/14/saudis-actually-funding-20-hillary-clintons-campaign/

I bet the Republican Party is really pissed off that the ultimate in republicans is the candidate for the Democratic Party.
A bit like young Anthony Blair when he was "best conservative candidate" at Beaconsfield all those years ago.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 10, 2016, 07:10:50 PM
Then there's this................

http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 10, 2016, 07:21:20 PM
"It's a way, effectively, to get around those campaign laws," noted Peter Schweizer, author of the extensively documented book "Clinton Cash," in a recent interview. "Hillary Clinton running for president in 2008, if you're a foreign oligarch, you can't give to her campaign, but you can have Bill Clinton give a 20-minute speech for half a million dollars, or you can make a $5 million donation to the Clinton Foundation, and you've got access every bit as much as if you had raised money for their political campaign. That's really what the Clintons have done."

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/george-soros-the-hillary-democrats-billionaire-puppetmaster/
A foreign oligarch?  Sounds a bit Russian to me, more Donald's thing maybe.... &%+((£
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 10, 2016, 07:22:18 PM
I'm disappointed Spam didn't answer my question about the Donald's Saudi Arabian business ventures...
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 10, 2016, 07:32:16 PM
The price of hypocrisy...................

'EXCLUSIVE: Donald Trump made millions from Saudi Arabia, but trashes Hillary Clinton for Saudi donations to Clinton Foundation'

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/exclusive-donald-trump-made-millions-saudi-government-article-1.2777211

..and there's more. 8)-)))
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 10, 2016, 07:38:52 PM
He's got business dealings with China aswell....& golf courses in Scotland!

Oh please, let's keep discussing funding shall we, just ignore the more mundane facts, like how Hitlery foreign policy would support ISIS in Syria & threaten war with Russia, that's not important.

Now, what do you think about his hair?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 10, 2016, 07:41:07 PM

Trump, businessman, sells a product......

The Clintons, broke when they left the Whitehouse,..... & they sell???

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 10, 2016, 07:41:20 PM

http://www.redstate.com/kylefoley/2016/09/04/donald-trump-believes-allowed-make-money-saudi-arabia/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 10, 2016, 07:45:39 PM
He's got business dealings with China aswell....& golf courses in Scotland!

Oh please, let's keep discussing funding shall we, just ignore the more mundane facts, like how Hitlery foreign policy would support ISIS in Syria & threaten war with Russia, that's not important.

Now, what do you think about his hair?

My perception is that the C Northcote Parkinson stuff is more readily understood in many places; especially the meeting with the bicycle shed and nuclear reactor on the agenda................... 8(0(*
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 10, 2016, 07:49:39 PM
He has no loans with Russia.... What does that mean?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 10, 2016, 08:13:05 PM
Worth a read:

    
Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq
by Stephen Kinzer

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 10, 2016, 09:02:51 PM
He's got business dealings with China aswell....& golf courses in Scotland!

Oh please, let's keep discussing funding shall we, just ignore the more mundane facts, like how Hitlery foreign policy would support ISIS in Syria & threaten war with Russia, that's not important.

Now, what do you think about his hair?
You brought Funding and Saudi up, now you don't want to talk about it? Lol. 

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 10, 2016, 09:04:26 PM
Trump, businessman, sells a product......

The Clintons, broke when they left the Whitehouse,..... & they sell???
how many times has Trump been declared bankrupt?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 10, 2016, 09:14:10 PM
You brought Funding and Saudi up, now you don't want to talk about it? Lol.

If you read back, you'll see it was in response to Carana rattling on about Trumps taxes zzzz

You'll also find that you wrongly accused me of libel.  8((()*/

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 10, 2016, 10:02:09 PM
If you read back, you'll see it was in response to Carana rattling on about Trumps taxes zzzz

You'll also find that you wrongly accused me of libel.  8((()*/
You claimed Hillary has Saudi financial backers. It's illegal for presidential candidates to have foreign backers, can you prove that Hillary has used Saudi money to fund her campaign.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 10, 2016, 10:37:32 PM
“I’m votin’ for Hillary.

“I am endorsing Hillary. And all her lies and all her empty promises. I am endorsing Hillary. The second worst thing that could happen to this country. But she’s way behind in second place, you know? She’s wrong about absolutely everything – but she’s wrong within normal parameters" - PJ O'Rourke
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 10, 2016, 10:59:16 PM
You claimed Hillary has Saudi financial backers. It's illegal for presidential candidates to have foreign backers, can you prove that Hillary has used Saudi money to fund her campaign.

Living proof that Alfie doesn't  bother to read links. Or he still has me on ignore  8(>((. Those who were paying attention will have noticed we covered this:

"It is illegal for political candidates to accept donations from non-resident aliens or from foreign nations. That rule, however, does not seem to apply to Hillary Clinton if reports from the Middle East are to be believed".

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/06/14/saudis-actually-funding-20-hillary-clintons-campaign/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on October 11, 2016, 01:03:51 AM
So who is it to be, Trump or Clinton?  Feel free to vote above or not.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 11, 2016, 08:22:17 AM
Trump: 'I would want to protect Saudi Arabia'

He has several extensive business interests in the Middle East and not just Saudi Arabia.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/264748-trump-we-made-iran-a-power

...and more ..............

“You know that Iran is going to have a nuclear weapon very soon,”

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 11, 2016, 08:34:51 AM
So who is it to be, Trump or Clinton?  Feel free to vote above or not.

Clinton is backed by Pro-Europe, pro migrant, Vote Remain funder George Soros.

Trump, isn't.

I voted Brexit.

I'd vote for Mr Brexit too.

[ moderated ]
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 11, 2016, 09:21:56 AM
Taking my lead from PJ O'Rourke I voted for the lesser evil, ie: Clinton.  Unfortunately neither candidate does it for me, and when it comes round to election time in this country the decision about who to vote for will be equally difficult. 
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 11, 2016, 12:52:41 PM


Hillary In Leaked Email: Saudi Arabia And Qatar Are Funding ISIS

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/10/hillary-in-leaked-email-saudi-arabia-and-qatar-are-funding-isis/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 11, 2016, 12:58:37 PM

Victor Orban, Marine Le Pen, Geert Weilders.

They'd get my vote.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 11, 2016, 01:34:22 PM

Hillary In Leaked Email: Saudi Arabia And Qatar Are Funding ISIS

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/10/hillary-in-leaked-email-saudi-arabia-and-qatar-are-funding-isis/

Old news.

That has been around for years.

Why don't you look up the Bush family and the Bin-Laden's while you're at it, and their connections in the Oil Business.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 11, 2016, 01:37:22 PM
Taking my lead from PJ O'Rourke I voted for the lesser evil, ie: Clinton.  Unfortunately neither candidate does it for me, and when it comes round to election time in this country the decision about who to vote for will be equally difficult.

The lesser evil, seen here making light of the hilarious brutal public execution of Gadaffi.

Gadaffi Execution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5484y_Jythk

Hillary Glee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtH7iv4ip1U

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 11, 2016, 02:01:34 PM
Victor Orban, Marine Le Pen, Geert Weilders.

They'd get my vote.


That's the privilege of a democracy. Unless, of course, certain governments end up with a problem with democracy once elected.


NB: Or if people can't vote otherwise without fear of retribution in the future.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 11, 2016, 02:13:07 PM
The lesser evil, seen here making light of the hilarious brutal public execution of Gadaffi.

Gadaffi Execution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5484y_Jythk

Hillary Glee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtH7iv4ip1U
Show us the youtube of the Donald crying into his champagne over the death of Gadaffi then, I bet he was distraught.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 11, 2016, 02:17:11 PM

That's the privilege of a democracy. Unless, of course, certain governments end up with a problem with democracy once elected.


NB: Or if people can't vote otherwise without fear of retribution in the future.

Hillary's dream is open trade, open borders. The Soros plan. One world government, vote Hillary, wave goodbye to democracy.

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 11, 2016, 02:26:28 PM
Show us the youtube of the Donald crying into his champagne over the death of Gadaffi then, I bet he was distraught.

Give us a link to demonstrate your bet is a winner?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 11, 2016, 02:32:39 PM
Show us the youtube of the Donald crying into his champagne over the death of Qaddafi then, I bet he was distraught.

Secretary Clinton, as she was, pretty much ordered his death.
See her leaked emails courtesy of wiki leaks.

She rejected a deal with Qaddafi for free elections in Libya.

Libya has gone from richest African nation to an IS/alqaeda state, and we now, as a result, have the international migrant crisis.

During this time, Donald had been running a business & probably doing some groping.

I know which is worse, it's the groping, right?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 11, 2016, 02:41:40 PM
Secretary Clinton, as she was, pretty much ordered his death.
See her leaked emails courtesy of wiki leaks.

She rejected a deal with Qaddafi for free elections in Libya.

Libya has gone from richest African nation to an IS/alqaeda state, and we now, as a result, have the international migrant crisis.

During this time, Donald had been running a business & probably doing some groping.

I know which is worse, it's the groping, right?

Watch this space as regards Trump's activities. 8(0(*
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 11, 2016, 02:51:35 PM
Hillary's dream is open trade, open borders. The Soros plan. One world government, vote Hillary, wave goodbye to democracy.

How do you see the future under Trump?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 11, 2016, 02:56:45 PM
Watch this space as regards Trump's activities. 8(0(*

If he has commited worse than helping to destroy a prosperous nation, handing it over to jihadis, and creating a migrant crisis, then yes, I'd be interested to see what that is.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 11, 2016, 03:00:17 PM
How do you see the future under Trump?

Not as it will be under the democrats, & that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 11, 2016, 03:03:12 PM
Not as it will be under the democrats, & that's good enough for me.

Could you be a little more precise?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 11, 2016, 03:04:51 PM
Not as it will be under the democrats, & that's good enough for me.

Is this a knee-jerk emotional reaction on your part or a rational one?

If it's a rational one, I'm sure you can lay out your reasons.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 11, 2016, 05:24:04 PM
Secretary Clinton, as she was, pretty much ordered his death.
See her leaked emails courtesy of wiki leaks.

She rejected a deal with Qaddafi for free elections in Libya.

Libya has gone from richest African nation to an IS/alqaeda state, and we now, as a result, have the international migrant crisis.

During this time, Donald had been running a business & probably doing some groping.

I know which is worse, it's the groping, right?
It's not a valid comparison as Trump was not in any position to vote yay or nay in such a decision.  Politicians have to make tough decisions which affect whole nations and sometimes they f..k up.  The Donald's decisions during that same period mainly affected his own bank balance and the welfare of  the women he was groping.  Give the man the opportunity to f..k up a few countries and I'm sure he'll do a swell job, starting with his own.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 11, 2016, 05:29:52 PM

 Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Sunday that Russia had the means to protect its assets in Syria if the United States decided to carpet bomb the Syrian government's military air fields.

Lavrov said he had heard that this was one option being advocated by some policy makers in Washington.

"This is a very dangerous game given that Russia, being in Syria at the invitation of the legitimate government of this country and having two bases there, has got air defense systems there to protect its assets," Lavrov told Russian state TV's First Channel, according to the text of his interview published on the Foreign Ministry's website.

Lavrov, in the same interview, said he was convinced that U.S. President Barack Obama would not agree to such a scenario.

(Reporting by Maria Kiselyova; Editing by Andrew Osborn)

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-idUSKCN1290G2?il=0&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=morefromreuters


Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 11, 2016, 05:32:04 PM
What are Russia's assets in Syria?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on October 11, 2016, 06:02:01 PM
What are Russia's assets in Syria?

Russia is building a major port in Syria in order to dock its warships and aircraft carriers, they have no intention of giving bin to the West's demands.  The following article was published a year ago but gives some idea of their strength.

http://warontherocks.com/2015/10/russias-arsenal-in-syria-what-do-we-know/

(http://www.defenseworld.net/uploads//news/big/russian_m_1458555191.jpg)

Russian Mi-28NE and Ka-52 attack helicopters in Syria.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 11, 2016, 06:03:05 PM
Quote from: Carana link=topic=7453.ititimate governmentmsg359629#msg359629 date=1476203524
What are Russia's assets in Syria?

A shedful hangarful of ground attack aircraft and all the paraphanalia to make them an effective combat unit I shouldn't wonder. Supporting Syria's legitimate governmet.

Given that Assad's government is the legitimate government of Syria,  why would supporters of democracy be in favour of removing him by force? He hasn't invaded anywhere else has he?
I presume that removal by force of any one you don't like is now accepted currency? That is anarchy not democracy.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 11, 2016, 06:08:54 PM
Is this a knee-jerk emotional reaction on your part or a rational one?

If it's a rational one, I'm sure you can lay out your reasons.

I've already explained Clintons policies, if they aren't enough for you to see why I'm not voting for her then, this is your problem, not mine.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 11, 2016, 06:13:27 PM
It's not a valid comparison as Trump was not in any position to vote yay or nay in such a decision.  Politicians have to make tough decisions which affect whole nations and sometimes they f..k up.  The Donald's decisions during that same period mainly affected his own bank balance and the welfare of  the women he was groping. Give the man the opportunity to f..k up a few countries and I'm sure he'll do a swell job, starting with his own.

Well, yes it is.

Clinton repeated the Iraq 'mistake' in Libya & Syria, she won't learn, because they weren't mistakes.

And you imagine he'd mess up a few countries, whereas Hillary already has, and her policies prove she will.

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 11, 2016, 06:16:05 PM
Worth watching, esp for the bit where Trump suggests it's a good idea to take out Gadaffi -

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/upfront/2016/09/reality-check-donald-trump-hawk-dove-160916095240125.html
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on October 11, 2016, 06:16:10 PM
The problem for The Donald is that as a businessman he is on the outside looking in.  Clinton on the other hand is the Establishment's honey and has had access to the inner workings and secrets of government for decades.  This will always be to the former's disadvantage.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 11, 2016, 06:18:11 PM
The problem for The Donald is that as a businessman he is on the outside looking in.  Clinton on the other hand is the Establishment's honey and has had access to the inner workings and secrets of government for decades.  This will always be to the formers disadvantage.
I find it staggering that someone with literally no experience in politics or diplomacy whatsover can buy himself into the race for president of the USA, the most powerful person on the planet.  Surely that can't be right?!
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 11, 2016, 06:18:19 PM
A shedful hangarful of ground attack aircraft and all the paraphanalia to make them an effective combat unit I shouldn't wonder. Supporting Syria's legitimate governmet.

Given that Assad's government is the legitimate government of Syria,  why would supporters of democracy be in favour of removing him by force? He hasn't invaded anywhere else has he?
I presume that removal by force of any one you don't like is now accepted currency? That is anarchy not democracy.


The democrats are in favour of enforced democracy, on their terms, around the world, where they see opposition to the petrodollar.

The irony of it.

Hillary supporters will overlook this glaring paradox, because it's necessary in order to support her.

Now, what was that Trump said about Mexicans?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 11, 2016, 06:19:58 PM
Worth watching, esp for the bit where Trump suggests it's a good idea to take out Gadaffi -

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/upfront/2016/09/reality-check-donald-trump-hawk-dove-160916095240125.html

He didn't do it though.

Hillary did.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on October 11, 2016, 06:20:29 PM
Well, yes it is.

Clinton repeated the Iraq 'mistake' in Libya & Syria, she won't learn, because they weren't mistakes.

And you imagine he'd mess up a few countries, whereas Hillary already has, and her policies prove she will.

We all know that this is about oil, power and the dollar versus the Euro.  America is trillions in debt so anything which can hurt the greenback can hurt America. Russia's presence in Syria however put pay to US domination in the region and their big plan to grab Syrian oil.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 11, 2016, 06:21:54 PM
He didn't do it though.

Hillary did.
He wasn't in a position to do it then.  He would've if he could've.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 11, 2016, 06:22:54 PM
I especially like the way the Donald doesn't rule out using nukes on Europe.  He's a real dove ain't he? @)(++(*
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 11, 2016, 06:23:47 PM
The problem for The Donald is that as a businessman he is on the outside looking in.  Clinton on the other hand is the Establishment's honey and has had access to the inner workings and secrets of government for decades.  This will always be to the former's disadvantage.

The unanswerable question is :
Is the Republican Party now turning on its own candidate or is The Political Establlishment trying to keep him [DT] out ?
Place your bets.

It's good to hear our Foreign Secretary talking like the leader of the students union.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 11, 2016, 06:23:58 PM
He wasn't in a position to do it then.  He would've if he could've.

He might not have. He could have just been saying that.

There's a public & a private position on matters dontcha know, ask Hillary.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on October 11, 2016, 06:26:50 PM
I find it staggering that someone with literally no experience in politics or diplomacy whatsover can buy himself into the race for president of the USA, the most powerful person on the planet.  Surely that can't be right?!

Dollars can literally buy you just about anything in the US.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 11, 2016, 06:56:02 PM
I'm imagining a scenario in which ISIS blow up Trump Towers.  Is the Donald's reaction going to be that of a hawk or a dove...?  &%+((£
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 11, 2016, 06:57:58 PM
He might not have. He could have just been saying that.

There's a public & a private position on matters dontcha know, ask Hillary.
Yeah, he might not have, he does change his mind about things on a daily basis, which is exactly the sort of quality you want in a world leader. 
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 11, 2016, 07:04:08 PM
Yeah, he might not have, he does change his mind about things on a daily basis, which is exactly the sort of quality you want in a world leader.

That means he's open to ideas, whereas the current & impending adminstration are focused on regime change, rather than fighting Al Nusra in Syria, & have been for the past 5 years.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 11, 2016, 07:05:46 PM
That means he's open to ideas, whereas the current & impending adminstration are focused on regime change, rather than fighting Al Nusra in Syria, & have been for the past 5 years.
Ideas like nuking Europe you mean?  Who is giving him these ideas I wonder...?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 11, 2016, 07:20:14 PM
Ideas like nuking Europe you mean?  Who is giving him these ideas I wonder...?

If Europe attacked, why not?

Hillary said she'd nuke Iran if they attacked.

Seems fair to me.

But no, everything is Putins fault isn't it, even though Russia have never launched a nuke in anger during warfare, & the only country that has is.....why, it was the US...... under the democrats!
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 11, 2016, 07:24:54 PM
The democrats are in favour of enforced democracy, on their terms, around the world, where they see opposition to the petrodollar.

The irony of it.

Hillary supporters will overlook this glaring paradox, because it's necessary in order to support her.

Now, what was that Trump said about Mexicans?

I was thinking more in terms of the upholders of democarcy on here.... 8(0(*
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 11, 2016, 07:35:46 PM
I was thinking more in terms of the upholders of democarcy on here.... 8(0(*

You mean like people like Trump and Clinton whose God is money  ?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 11, 2016, 07:52:14 PM
You mean like people like Trump and Clinton whose God is money  ?

No ! Any one in general who purports to be a believer in and upholder of democracy yet supports overthrowing the legitimate government of another country by force when that country has not invaded another?

People with that view generally do not pass the acid test, which I am not allowed to quote on here as it breaks forum rules.


Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 11, 2016, 08:05:23 PM
No ! Any one in general who purports to be a believer in and upholder of democracy yet supports overthrowing the legitimate government of another country by force when that country has not invaded another?

People with that view generally do not pass the acid test, which I am not allowed to quote on here as it breaks forum rules.

The only 'democracy' in America is the one ruled by money.

I remember George W Bush saying at a dinner while still President.....

'There are the haves and the have-mores'.

Then look at Putin, basically no more than a Robber Baron. A former KGB officer,  who accumulated his money by nefarious means.

Politically, ethically or morally, I see little difference between the Americans and the Russians, likewise the Chinese.

In the end it's all about power and money, and the rest don't get a look in.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 11, 2016, 08:59:38 PM
If Europe attacked, why not?

Hillary said she'd nuke Iran if they attacked.

Seems fair to me.

But no, everything is Putins fault isn't it, even though Russia have never launched a nuke in anger during warfare, & the only country that has is.....why, it was the US...... under the democrats!
No one's going to nuke anyone, this is childish talk.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 11, 2016, 10:25:01 PM
The only 'democracy' in America is the one ruled by money.

I remember George W Bush saying at a dinner while still President.....

'There are the haves and the have-mores'.

Then look at Putin, basically no more than a Robber Baron. A former KGB officer,  who accumulated his money by nefarious means.

Politically, ethically or morally, I see little difference between the Americans and the Russians, likewise the Chinese.

In the end it's all about power and money, and the rest don't get a look in.

So are you in favour of replacing those you don't like by force or not?
Forgetting what Putin, Obama, Peter the Great, Temujin or whoever may or may not have done.

Bold bit. A sad fact but true the peasant is always the peasant and the secret policeman is always the secret policeman....it's the way things work.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: mercury on October 11, 2016, 11:54:28 PM
The lesser evil, seen here making light of the hilarious brutal public execution of Gadaffi.

Gadaffi Execution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5484y_Jythk

Hillary Glee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtH7iv4ip1U

Have to agree with you there gaddafis betrayal by all his "western pals" happy to use him when expedient, and crass public dagging through the streets with ears cut off was a nasty sight....condoned by the civilised west


Disgusting
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 12, 2016, 09:26:18 AM
So are you in favour of replacing those you don't like by force or not?
Forgetting what Putin, Obama, Peter the Great, Temujin or whoever may or may not have done.

Bold bit. A sad fact but true the peasant is always the peasant and the secret policeman is always the secret policeman....it's the way things work.

No, I'm not normally in favour of interference in other countries affairs.

However, Alice, what about despotic regimes, where people are being killed by their own governments ?

Do you likewise believe, anything we say will change the nature of how countries such as America and Russia operate ?

 
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 12, 2016, 12:38:22 PM
No, I'm not normally in favour of interference in other countries affairs.

1However, Alice, what about despotic regimes, where people are being killed by their own governments ?

2Do you likewise believe, anything we say will change the nature of how countries such as America and Russia operate ?


1. In the case of Syria it is a proven fact terrorists are embedded with the civilian population in Aleppo in particular. That makes any kind of action by the legitimate government difficult to carry out and open to misrepresentation. Do you remember all the hoohah in 1990 when Saddam's troops went into Kuwait ?. All the bollocks alleging the assault troops were carrying and using implements of torture and so on and all the western TV stations showing same?. Assault troops carry all the weapons and shells they can and don't piss about carrying what to them would be useless weight. Those implements of torture were already there cos that's what they do out there [in the ME]. No one's queueing up to duff up the Kuwaiti government. My experience is that in the Middle East any new municipal project kicks off with a police station with cells in it whatever country or state. That's the way it is.
2. What I say or do will make no never mind. I can only voice my opinon against it and it's not just the US and Russia.

I really do recommend reading the "Blood Years" and some ME history to get a grasp of what makes the clock tick out there.
As for Russia the world is scared of it because for a bunch of commies they have been good capitalists for years. Check out the butter mountain (remember the butter mountain?) and the gas pipeline from Tehran to Trieste in 1960s. The Russians have a large muslim population and will not be too keen on a bunch of the wrong sort of muslims creating havoc along the Russians more sensitive parts so will protect that. The Yanks for their part don't want Commy gas and oil taking over the world. Our problem is we are too keen to join in because of a special relationship that does not in reality exist although to his credit so far Bojo is not proposing much more than lobbing a few bricks at the Russian embassy.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Eleanor on October 12, 2016, 01:06:38 PM

The Russians understand Muslims far better than anyone else.  Russia kept them under control for many years, until Communism and the Satellite Borders collapsed.
Most of us didn't even know that there might be a problem.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 12, 2016, 02:11:29 PM
The Russians understand Muslims far better than anyone else.  Russia kept them under control for many years, until Communism and the Satellite Borders collapsed.
Most of us didn't even know that there might be a problem.


It would not take much to write a convincing argument around relative peace existing in certain areas because those now considered despots had their boots firmly on the necks of the trouble makers! Russia, Tito and Saddam Hussein for example had boots on necks.
Elbowing Assad might on balance be a good idea but until someone knows which of 100+ factions are going to be installed instead of him it does not make much sense.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Eleanor on October 12, 2016, 03:13:13 PM


It would not take much to write a convincing argument around relative peace existing in certain areas because those now considered despots had their boots firmly on the necks of the trouble makers! Russia, Tito and Saddam Hussein for example had boots on necks.
Elbowing Assad might on balance be a good idea but until someone knows which of 100+ factions are going to be installed instead of him it does not make much sense.

Reluctantly, I agree.  Perhaps this is why Putin is supporting Assad.  I think Assad is a horrible man, but there are almost certainly much worse.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 13, 2016, 09:20:53 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: mercury on October 13, 2016, 11:00:59 PM
Trumps raped and sexually accosted women and thinks its fine and a feather under his ugly faced hat...whether that has a bearing on world politics probably not dunno his other utterances are a bit horrid goo
Johnson is a prat and not fit to be foreign secretary
Hmmm decisions decisions

Who would i trust? in world events???NEITHER
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: sadie on October 14, 2016, 08:03:40 PM
http://tribune.com.pk/story/1198937/jemima-khans-halloween-costume-makes-perfect-statement-trump/?

http://c.tribune.com.pk/2016/10/1198937-jem-1476448485-543-640x480.gif
(http://c.tribune.com.pk/2016/10/1198937-jem-1476448485-543-640x480.gif)

Yuk !
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 15, 2016, 05:41:06 PM
 Nigel Farage backtracks on Donald Trump support amid groping claims

Ukip’s temporary leader tells Jeremy Paxman he disagrees with Republican nominee on ‘lots of things’


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/15/nigel-farage-backtracks-on-donald-trump-support-amid-groping-claims



Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 15, 2016, 05:42:02 PM
http://tribune.com.pk/story/1198937/jemima-khans-halloween-costume-makes-perfect-statement-trump/?

 8(*( @)(++(*

Oh my...
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 15, 2016, 06:11:26 PM
Nigel Farage backtracks on Donald Trump support amid groping claims

Ukip’s temporary leader tells Jeremy Paxman he disagrees with Republican nominee on ‘lots of things’


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/15/nigel-farage-backtracks-on-donald-trump-support-amid-groping-claims
W've been here before with Nige - a couple years back he was singing Putin's praises and then publicly backtracking.  If you're going to suck up to these revolting human beings Nige, at least have the courage of your convictions and stand by them when you're called out on it.  But then Nige is a pretty revolting human being himself....
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 15, 2016, 06:44:41 PM
Donald Trump calls for 'drug test' before next presidential debate
http://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-calls-for-drug-test-before-next-presidential-debate-10618993

I'm not surprised that even Farage is backing off from his enthusiastic support...
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 15, 2016, 06:46:33 PM
Nigel Farage backtracks on Donald Trump support amid groping claims

Ukip’s temporary leader tells Jeremy Paxman he disagrees with Republican nominee on ‘lots of things’


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/15/nigel-farage-backtracks-on-donald-trump-support-amid-groping-claims

Has he finally realized, that Trump is a bigger A###h##e than he is ?  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 15, 2016, 07:24:34 PM
Has he finally realized, that Trump is a bigger A###h##e than he is ?  ?{)(**


Perhaps not. Possibly just not the right moment to cling to that particular bandwagon, particularly as a few wheels appear to be a bit loose.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 16, 2016, 10:03:18 AM
Time covers

https://twitter.com/JoePerticone/status/786545020644065281

Pro-Trump t-shirt
https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/786733379567820800
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 16, 2016, 10:05:31 AM
Tom Hanks on Donald Trump: I'm not offended as a husband or a father. I'm offended as a guy .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuvfxB_a-S4

 8@??)(
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 16, 2016, 12:00:39 PM
So.... let's see.

If he loses the election, it's because it will have been rigged.
The fact that numerous prominent people from his own party have disowned him is because they're weak.
The fact that even traditionally right-wing media have given up on him is due to a major conspiracy against him.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/15/donald-trump-drug-testing-new-hampshire-rally

Even O'Reilly from Fox News, who has a friendly personal relationship with him, has been trying to calm him down for heaven's sake.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on October 16, 2016, 01:50:54 PM
The Donald knew that these skeletons would emerge at the outset so he shouldn't be agast that they have surfaced now just before the vote.  Could this be why businessmen never make President of the USA?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 16, 2016, 04:28:32 PM
The Donald knew that these skeletons would emerge at the outset so he shouldn't be agast that they have surfaced now just before the vote.  Could this be why businessmen never make President of the USA?
Are you suggesting that all businessmen are gropers with similar skeletons in their closets...? &%+((£
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: sadie on October 17, 2016, 12:57:49 AM
Time covers

https://twitter.com/JoePerticone/status/786545020644065281

Pro-Trump t-shirt
https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/786733379567820800
*&*%£  Fabulous Carana.  They say it all.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 17, 2016, 09:15:18 AM
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 17, 2016, 09:20:24 AM
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 17, 2016, 09:34:49 AM
Are you suggesting that all businessmen are gropers with similar skeletons in their closets...? &%+((£


lol
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 17, 2016, 09:38:47 AM
*&*%£  Fabulous Carana.  They say it all.

I don't know if you watched the first presidential debate, Sadie. It's on YouTube.

I did, and later also watched this parody.


Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 17, 2016, 03:32:06 PM
Trump & vote rigging insinuations.

I haven't checked whether this is accurate or not.

https://twitter.com/WestWingReport/status/787989793338568704
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 17, 2016, 03:48:45 PM
When someone works out how to tell your 6-year-old that it's ok for the greatest role model on earth to grab someone else's kitten, do let me know.


Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Angelo222 on October 18, 2016, 12:08:03 PM
When someone works out how to tell your 6-year-old that it's ok for the greatest role model on earth to grab someone else's kitten, do let me know.

Wasn't that something Bill Clinton liked to do and more?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 18, 2016, 12:26:09 PM
"I wonder how it is with you, Harold. If I don’t have a woman for three days, I get a terrible headache," President John F. Kennedy told the British Prime Minister, Harold Macmillan.   *

"Macmillan was witness to a 'typist' sent to JFK's bedroom on a visit to the PM's home bouncing up and down on Kennedy's knee while he sang Irish sea shanties to her"  **

*        that seems to be a rather droll way round but I guess Septics are different.
**      maybe the witness was not much cop at anatomy

None of it's new  ?{)(**

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 18, 2016, 12:53:45 PM
It does seem quite remarkable how some seem to ignore Trump's and others behaviour as regards women.

How many would like it if a close relative or friend got trumped. 8)-)))
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 18, 2016, 03:57:22 PM
It does seem quite remarkable how some seem to ignore Trump's and others behaviour as regards women.

How many would like it if a close relative or friend got trumped. 8)-)))

I wouldn't like any of my friends or relatives to molested by whomsoever. I would probably be leading the charge or Ball Race as we say.
I don't think it is a case of ignoring it.  It just seems to be the accepted norm in some areas.  I would imagine every organisation has more than a few contenders for The Oliver Mellors Bowl and /or KOS. It is unacceptable behaviour but no one ever wants to do anything serious about stopping it. I don't see that Trump's sleazy behaviour is any worse or any more sleazy than others even some who have held the office he is a candidate for. I'll probably be lambasted by the forums Sisterhood corresponding members but had the sisterhood in it's 40 years of modern times been really effectual we would not be having this discussion. imo of course.

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: sadie on October 19, 2016, 10:34:10 PM
I don't know if you watched the first presidential debate, Sadie. It's on YouTube.

I did, and later also watched this parody.


I cant bear American politics, Carana .... but Trump has made me sit up ... and wonder about the American mentality.

Clever video ... and even joking, Hilary is right   She will win if pollically incorrect Trump keeps on talking      %£5&%
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2016, 07:02:57 PM
Having watched The 3 debates, it is evident that neither candidate is suitable for office.

Trump behaves like a spoilt child.

Clinton's fake sincerity sucks.


We have tonight the admission from Trump that he will only accept the election result if he wins.

Truly pathetic, and his 'supporters' were giving him the clap. 8)--))
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Eleanor on October 20, 2016, 09:12:31 PM
Having watched The 3 debates, it is evident that neither candidate is suitable for office.

Trump behaves like a spoilt child.

Clinton's fake sincerity sucks.


We have tonight the admission from Trump that he will only accept the election result if he wins.

Truly pathetic, and his 'supporters' were giving him the clap. 8)--))

Oh God, not the absolute Clap?  Some sort of venerial disease?

Who cares.  I don't.

The only question is of which one is the most awful.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on October 21, 2016, 01:40:32 PM
Oh God, not the absolute Clap?  Some sort of venerial disease?

Who cares.  I don't.

The only question is of which one is the most awful.

It brings a whole new meaning to the idiom, 'money talks'!
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2016, 02:06:13 PM
Oh God, not the absolute Clap?  Some sort of venerial disease?

Who cares.  I don't.

The only question is of which one is the most awful.

It was kind of a joke Eleanor.

As you realize I can't stand Trump, and watching his supporters cheer him when he is a complete ignoramus, is beyond reason and logic.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Angelo222 on October 21, 2016, 03:49:44 PM
I think Trump would make a great President, a refreshing change from the stale politicians and the puppets from past and present.  By the way, does anyone really believe Obama would have been President had he not been of mixed race?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2016, 04:04:59 PM
I think Trump would make a great President, a refreshing change from the stale politicians and the puppets from past and present.  By the way, does anyone really believe Obama would have been President had he not been of mixed race?



So Angelo, you like the idea of an immature narcissistic 'man child' leading America ?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 21, 2016, 04:54:38 PM
I think Trump would make a great President, a refreshing change from the stale politicians and the puppets from past and present.  By the way, does anyone really believe Obama would have been President had he not been of mixed race?
That's a bit racist.

What do you think is great about Trump (apart from not being mixed-race of course)?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Angelo222 on October 21, 2016, 06:19:19 PM
That's a bit racist.

What do you think is great about Trump (apart from not being mixed-race of course)?

Take it any way you like but Obama was a once in a lifetime appeasement to the coloured community in America. Trump on the other hand is his own man and nobody's puppet.  The thing I really like about him is that he says what he thinks, not like most politicians who are nothing more than people for sale and conniving liars.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Angelo222 on October 21, 2016, 06:22:12 PM


So Angelo, you like the idea of an immature narcissistic 'man child' leading America ?

What does it matter?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2016, 06:27:19 PM
Take it any way you like but Obama was a once in a lifetime appeasement to the coloured community in America. Trump on the other hand is his own man and nobody's puppet.  The thing I really like about him is that he says what he thinks, not like most politicians who are nothing more than people for sale and conniving liars.
r



....and you believe Trump is not a conniving liar  ?


The man criticized Clinton about Middle East connections, yet has businesses himself there as well.

What do think of his attitude to women ?

My other half referred to him as an ugly MF.

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2016, 06:28:23 PM
What does it matter?

You are kidding, aren't you ?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2016, 06:34:37 PM
I wonder how many of the posters on here with daughters would trust them to  be in the company of Trump ?


 &%+((£
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 21, 2016, 07:00:59 PM
Take it any way you like but Obama was a once in a lifetime appeasement to the coloured community in America. Trump on the other hand is his own man and nobody's puppet.  The thing I really like about him is that he says what he thinks, not like most politicians who are nothing more than people for sale and conniving liars.
That's funny - I thought Obama was elected in a democratic process by the people of the USA, many of whom are not "colored" (sic).  I suppose when CLinton is elected that will be a once in a lifetime appeasement to the XX chromosome community.   AS for liars, none is as brazen as Trump - his lies are well documented for all to see. https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/10/20/donald-trump-made-37-false-claims-in-final-debate.html  37 lies to Hillary's 4.  I suppose that qualifies him to be a better politician then!
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 21, 2016, 07:02:24 PM
I wonder how many of the posters on here with daughters would trust them to  be in the company of Trump ?


 &%+((£
No way Jose!  I wouldn't trust him with my pussy either (cat that is...)
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2016, 07:04:45 PM
No way Jose!  I wouldn't trust him with my pussy either (cat that is...)

I wouldn't trust him with any pussy either, feline or otherwise.
 8((()*/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on October 22, 2016, 03:42:00 PM
Looks like the next President of the USA is going to be a massive fraud regardless of who it is.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 22, 2016, 04:50:52 PM
Looks like the next President of the USA is going to be a massive fraud regardless of who it is.

Quite right.

Now if you want a laugh, just type on Google...

Hilary Clinton at Donald Trump's wedding to his current 'enhanced' wife, the one who claimed she had a degree but didn't,  and didn't appear in certain photos either.

 %#&%%5 %#&%%5
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 22, 2016, 06:09:19 PM
(http://nkpzz1l56ai473pu632f0nui.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Car-e1458318885463.jpg)

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 23, 2016, 03:32:16 PM
I wonder how many of the posters on here with daughters would trust them to  be in the company of Trump ?


 &%+((£

What's good enough for Mrs Lewinski daughter  is good enough for....

So what did Hilarity Cliffton do about THAT WOMAN who allegidly did NOThave sexual relations with her Mr President Husband...

It would seem there are a lot of pots calling kettels black....No racists intention this is an oldsaying  in case there are any APOLOGISTS present.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 23, 2016, 03:57:33 PM
What's good enough for Mrs Lewinski daughter  is good enough for....

So what did Hilarity Cliffton do about THAT WOMAN who allegidly did NOThave sexual relations with her Mr President Husband...

It would seem there are a lot of pots calling kettels black....No racists intention this is an oldsaying  in case there are any APOLOGISTS present.

If this helps you.

(http://conservativeamerica-online.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/cd63d6b97513bb8a0674f4c8649fc47e.jpg)
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 23, 2016, 04:12:41 PM
What's good enough for Mrs Lewinski daughter  is good enough for....

So what did Hilarity Cliffton do about THAT WOMAN who allegidly did NOThave sexual relations with her Mr President Husband...

It would seem there are a lot of pots calling kettels black....No racists intention this is an oldsaying  in case there are any APOLOGISTS present.

Quite true. Under Arkansas Law [where Bill was allowed to practice] what she[Monika] did does not constitute a sexual relationship....allegedly.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 23, 2016, 04:13:24 PM
Quite true. Under Arkansas Law [where Bill was allowed to practice] what she[Monika] did does not constitute a sexual relationship....allegedly.


That was a bit of a low blow.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 23, 2016, 04:37:03 PM
I see Mr Trump has laid out his first 100 days in office.
My old granny [first catch your hare] and early mentor [you are a bit previous aren't you young man?] notwithstanding, some of it is half reasonable.
I first went to The States long before "Mickey Mouse Holidays" lowered the bar and the visa procedure then was long winded and included being inocculated against all sorts of stuff, including Yellow Fever, by a doctor on their list. Just get your unworthy ass to his office bo, if you harbour ambitions to get in here and be warned immigration will put you through the wringer when you arrive; all that for a month's visit. I guess TD just wants to make it that bit more difficult for terrorists and unwanted aliens again.
I see the Russians have thrown some words of wisdom into the air over Mosul.
The official position of the Western Powers will no doubt be "for humanitarian reasons we will maintain a corridor of safety between Mosul and Aleppo........................." well it's pretty much due west.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/

https://www.rt.com/news/363464-mosul-terrorists-kill-sight/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 23, 2016, 04:40:26 PM
If this helps you.

(http://conservativeamerica-online.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/cd63d6b97513bb8a0674f4c8649fc47e.jpg)

This helps me see the clintons(money whores) seeking funding..oh and I am not allowed to post the pictures but My friends son was pictured with the clintons at an awards ceremony...It was just a picture. Just like yours. all smiles but truth be he didn't like the clintons at all.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 23, 2016, 04:44:14 PM
Quite true. Under Arkansas Law [where Bill was allowed to practice] what she[Monika] did does not constitute a sexual relationship....allegedly.

Yeh its not Like they were engaged or anything... just cigars n a smokin gun. Dress totally runined I mean lIke TOTALLY. *&*%£
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 23, 2016, 05:44:01 PM
This helps me see the clintons(money whores) seeking funding..oh and I am not allowed to post the pictures but My friends son was pictured with the clintons at an awards ceremony...It was just a picture. Just like yours. all smiles but truth be he didn't like the clintons at all.

Surely you can't trust Trump anymore than you would trust the Clinton's ?   8**8:/:
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 23, 2016, 06:18:31 PM
Surely you can't trust Trump anymore than you would trust the Clinton's ?   8**8:/:

My take on this Stephen is: Trump is an idiot. He does say things that many, many other men say. BUT many believe he has America's interest at heart.

The Clinton's are dangerous,nasty and downright evil IMO.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 23, 2016, 06:32:10 PM
My take on this Stephen is: Trump is an idiot. He does say things that many, many other men say. BUT many believe he has America's interest at heart.

The Clinton's are dangerous,nasty and downright evil IMO.

I can assure you that any men I've met do not look at their daughters in any vague or sexual way, and do not think they can go around and fondle a woman's pu##y when they feel like it. Excuse the pun.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 26, 2016, 07:21:39 PM
I can assure you that any men I've met do not look at their daughters in any vague or sexual way, and do not think they can go around and fondle a woman's pu##y when they feel like it. Excuse the pun.

Me either Stephen, but men do talk and brag about sexual content all the time. Men laughed and still do at women ho make claims of rape/sexual assault against predators.. well look that the Clintons for example... ew
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on October 28, 2016, 06:51:45 PM
FBI launch new investigation into Hillary Clinton after latest WikiLeaks revelations.

(http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/146664/image_update_1f2f225e681e8ec9_1358134899_9j-4aaqsk.jpeg)

28 October 2016

The FBI is reopening an investigation into e-mails sent by Hillary Clinton via a personal server, its director has announced.

(http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/1133039/stream_img.jpg)

The FBI had announced in July that its investigation into the Democrat presidential candidate's private e-mails server had concluded.

Director James Comey criticised Mrs Clinton as "careless", but said no charges should be brought.

But in a letter sent to government officials, Mr Comey said new e-mails had been discovered in a different case - and while it does not necessarily mean a reopening of the criminal investigation, it will involve "additional work" by investigation.
In connection with an unrelated case, the FBI has learned of the existence of e-mails that appear to be pertinent to the investigation …

I agreed that the FBI should take appropriate investigative steps designed to allow investigators to review these emails to determine whether they contain classified information, as well as to assess their importance to our investigation.

– JAMES COMEY, FBI DIRECTOR
He went on to say that there is no indication yet as to whether the material would prove "significant", and does not know how long the additional scrutiny will take.

In response, the Senate judiciary committee said it was not expecting the announcement, and it had not been in response to any question from Republican party members on the committee.

Judiciary committee Republican spokesman Taylor Foy said they have no additional information concerning to what e-mails Mr Comey's letter was referring.

“We’re interested know what else they’re going to be looking at,” he said.

Meanwhile, the Clinton campaign reportedly has "no idea" what the investigation is about.

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-10-28/fbi-reopens-investigation-into-hillary-clintons-e-mails/
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 28, 2016, 07:27:44 PM
Meanwhile Trump is facing charges on the assault of a 13 y.o.

' Donald Trump will face child rape charges in court, says lawyer for alleged victim '

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-rape-sexual-assault-claims-court-republican-party-us-presidential-florida-a7360636.html

(http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/10/14/08/trump-13-oct.jpg)
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 28, 2016, 07:35:44 PM
FBI launch new investigation into Hillary Clinton after latest WikiLeaks revelations.

(http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/146664/image_update_1f2f225e681e8ec9_1358134899_9j-4aaqsk.jpeg)

28 October 2016

The FBI is reopening an investigation into e-mails sent by Hillary Clinton via a personal server, its director has announced.

(http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/1133039/stream_img.jpg)

The FBI had announced in July that its investigation into the Democrat presidential candidate's private e-mails server had concluded.

Director James Comey criticised Mrs Clinton as "careless", but said no charges should be brought.

But in a letter sent to government officials, Mr Comey said new e-mails had been discovered in a different case - and while it does not necessarily mean a reopening of the criminal investigation, it will involve "additional work" by investigation.
In connection with an unrelated case, the FBI has learned of the existence of e-mails that appear to be pertinent to the investigation …

I agreed that the FBI should take appropriate investigative steps designed to allow investigators to review these emails to determine whether they contain classified information, as well as to assess their importance to our investigation.

– JAMES COMEY, FBI DIRECTOR
He went on to say that there is no indication yet as to whether the material would prove "significant", and does not know how long the additional scrutiny will take.

In response, the Senate judiciary committee said it was not expecting the announcement, and it had not been in response to any question from Republican party members on the committee.

Judiciary committee Republican spokesman Taylor Foy said they have no additional information concerning to what e-mails Mr Comey's letter was referring.

“We’re interested know what else they’re going to be looking at,” he said.

Meanwhile, the Clinton campaign reportedly has "no idea" what the investigation is about.

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-10-28/fbi-reopens-investigation-into-hillary-clintons-e-mails/

That might explain why she was hanging out with that nice Mrs Obama recently ........ 8(>((
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 28, 2016, 07:37:48 PM


Tis a pity the Democrats can't swap Clinton for Michelle Obama. 8)-)))
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on October 28, 2016, 08:30:32 PM
Calls for Hillary Clinton to be disqualied from the election following the reopening of the criminal investigation by the FBI as Obama flies to Florida to prop up her election hopes.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 28, 2016, 08:36:06 PM
Calls for Hillary Clinton to be disqualied from the election following the reopening of the criminal investigation by the FBI as Obama flies to Florida to prop up her election hopes.

That should be applied to Trump as well.

Bankrupt businesses.

What if he is elected and then indicted on the charge mentioned in a previous post ?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on October 28, 2016, 08:38:14 PM
Meanwhile Trump is facing charges on the assault of a 13 y.o.

' Donald Trump will face child rape charges in court, says lawyer for alleged victim '

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-rape-sexual-assault-claims-court-republican-party-us-presidential-florida-a7360636.html

(http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/10/14/08/trump-13-oct.jpg)

Isn't it remarkable how these accusers always pop up on cue?   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on October 28, 2016, 08:39:05 PM
That should be applied to Trump as well.

Bankrupt businesses.

What if he is elected and then indicted on the charge mentioned in a previous post ?

Bankruptcy isn't a crime as far as I'm aware  &%+((£
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 28, 2016, 08:39:41 PM
Isn't it remarkable how these accusers always pop up on cue?   @)(++(*

Wrong John, this has been in the works for some time.

Would you trust Trump with your daughters ?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 28, 2016, 08:42:37 PM
Bankruptcy isn't a crime as far as I'm aware  &%+((£

It wasn't a series of personal bankruptcies  but 4 businesses. Chapter 11 as it is called.

That is what he used to avoid paying tax.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 28, 2016, 08:42:44 PM
Isn't it remarkable how these accusers always pop up on cue?   @)(++(*
This claim goes back at least a year.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 28, 2016, 08:43:16 PM
This claim goes back at least a year.

Precisely Alf.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 28, 2016, 09:36:11 PM
Wrong John, this has been in the works for some time.

Would you trust Trump with your daughters ?

If I saw Donald and Bill sashaying down my street I'd even pull my goats in.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Angelo222 on October 29, 2016, 11:58:54 AM
FBI launch new investigation into Hillary Clinton after latest WikiLeaks revelations.

(http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/146664/image_update_1f2f225e681e8ec9_1358134899_9j-4aaqsk.jpeg)

28 October 2016

The FBI is reopening an investigation into e-mails sent by Hillary Clinton via a personal server, its director has announced.

(http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/1133039/stream_img.jpg)

The FBI had announced in July that its investigation into the Democrat presidential candidate's private e-mails server had concluded.

Director James Comey criticised Mrs Clinton as "careless", but said no charges should be brought.

But in a letter sent to government officials, Mr Comey said new e-mails had been discovered in a different case - and while it does not necessarily mean a reopening of the criminal investigation, it will involve "additional work" by investigation.
In connection with an unrelated case, the FBI has learned of the existence of e-mails that appear to be pertinent to the investigation …

I agreed that the FBI should take appropriate investigative steps designed to allow investigators to review these emails to determine whether they contain classified information, as well as to assess their importance to our investigation.

– JAMES COMEY, FBI DIRECTOR
He went on to say that there is no indication yet as to whether the material would prove "significant", and does not know how long the additional scrutiny will take.

In response, the Senate judiciary committee said it was not expecting the announcement, and it had not been in response to any question from Republican party members on the committee.

Judiciary committee Republican spokesman Taylor Foy said they have no additional information concerning to what e-mails Mr Comey's letter was referring.

“We’re interested know what else they’re going to be looking at,” he said.

Meanwhile, the Clinton campaign reportedly has "no idea" what the investigation is about.

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-10-28/fbi-reopens-investigation-into-hillary-clintons-e-mails/

I laughed when I saw that on the news last night, the mere fact that she is a suspect in such a serious criminal investigation should disqualify her from standing for office.  I look forward to the next WikiLeak!!
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 29, 2016, 12:46:57 PM
I laughed when I saw that on the news last night, the mere fact that she is a suspect in such a serious criminal investigation should disqualify her from standing for office.  I look forward to the next WikiLeak!!

That also would apply then to Trump on the indictment for rape.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Angelo222 on October 29, 2016, 01:03:10 PM
That also would apply then to Trump on the indictment for rape.

Donald Trump says Hillary Clinton's corruption is on a scale never seen before!  Why on earth is this woman even in office?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 29, 2016, 01:27:22 PM
Donald Trump says Hillary Clinton's corruption is on a scale never seen before!  Why on earth is this woman even in office?

Utter B.S.

So you seriously take the word of Trump ?

They are as bad as each other.

Have you researched Trump's past ?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Angelo222 on October 29, 2016, 01:43:15 PM
Utter B.S.

So you seriously take the word of Trump ?

They are as bad as each other.

Have you researched Trump's past ?

So let's see, you believe Clinton isn't corrupt?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 29, 2016, 02:02:47 PM
So let's see, you believe Clinton isn't corrupt?

Of course she is.


How many politicians aren't, one way or the other ?

Neither should be elected as President. They are both corrupt.

Surely, you agree with that ?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Angelo222 on October 29, 2016, 03:16:01 PM
Of course she is.


How many politicians aren't, one way or the other ?

Neither should be elected as President. They are both corrupt.

Surely, you agree with that ?

I do agree but they have to pick one of them and Trump would appear to be the best of a bad bunch.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 29, 2016, 03:38:48 PM
I do agree but they have to pick one of them and Trump would appear to be the best of a bad bunch.

There are alternatives, some of which are 'better' than either of those two.

Have you considered what would happen if Trump gets elected, and then he is prosecuted on his present indictment  ?

America has already become a laughing stock with this election and especially because of the 2 main 'candidates' ?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Alfie on October 29, 2016, 04:08:27 PM
FBI launch new investigation into Hillary Clinton after latest WikiLeaks revelations.

(http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/146664/image_update_1f2f225e681e8ec9_1358134899_9j-4aaqsk.jpeg)

28 October 2016

The FBI is reopening an investigation into e-mails sent by Hillary Clinton via a personal server, its director has announced.

(http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/1133039/stream_img.jpg)

The FBI had announced in July that its investigation into the Democrat presidential candidate's private e-mails server had concluded.

Director James Comey criticised Mrs Clinton as "careless", but said no charges should be brought.

But in a letter sent to government officials, Mr Comey said new e-mails had been discovered in a different case - and while it does not necessarily mean a reopening of the criminal investigation, it will involve "additional work" by investigation.
In connection with an unrelated case, the FBI has learned of the existence of e-mails that appear to be pertinent to the investigation …

I agreed that the FBI should take appropriate investigative steps designed to allow investigators to review these emails to determine whether they contain classified information, as well as to assess their importance to our investigation.

– JAMES COMEY, FBI DIRECTOR
He went on to say that there is no indication yet as to whether the material would prove "significant", and does not know how long the additional scrutiny will take.

In response, the Senate judiciary committee said it was not expecting the announcement, and it had not been in response to any question from Republican party members on the committee.

Judiciary committee Republican spokesman Taylor Foy said they have no additional information concerning to what e-mails Mr Comey's letter was referring.

“We’re interested know what else they’re going to be looking at,” he said.

Meanwhile, the Clinton campaign reportedly has "no idea" what the investigation is about.

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-10-28/fbi-reopens-investigation-into-hillary-clintons-e-mails/
This is going to throw the Trump conspiracy theorists into a bit of a spin isn't it?  The election's a fix and everyone's against him (except the FBI it seems!)
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 29, 2016, 04:19:34 PM
This is going to throw the Trump conspiracy theorists into a bit of a spin isn't it?  The election's a fix and everyone's against him (except the FBI it seems!)

So reading through what is said, pressure has been brought to bear from Republicans on the FBI. Now since the Republicans effectively control the finance of the agency through the government......


Does that sound like a conspiracy ? ?{)(**
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on October 29, 2016, 08:42:28 PM
This is a current news thread.  Please do not post old articles. TY
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 30, 2016, 11:51:02 AM
If I saw Donald and Bill sashaying down my street I'd even pull my goats in.

I choked on my tea when I read this !!! Hilarious.

There is nothing wrong with people having affairs and enjoying a promiscious sex life, as long as both participants are willing and free from pressure of any sort. ie a boss telling you if you don't comply you will get sacked.etc. It's a bit late in the day to claim rape if you now regret having an opportunistic grope  or three. If age appropriate.

So if you had to chose between Pol Pot and Adolf Hitle, and Japan's emperor , who would be your favoured candidte for world domination?

Neither Trump or Clinton are fit for purpose, but in my opinion Trump has not commited any crime,or been party to inapropriate sexual encounters, or covered for them, while in a Government position, or associated with anyone who has and has held a seniour governement position.i.e Mr President.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 30, 2016, 12:34:59 PM
I choked on my tea when I read this !!! Hilarious.

There is nothing wrong with people having affairs and enjoying a promiscious sex life, as long as both participants are willing and free from pressure of any sort. ie a boss telling you if you don't comply you will get sacked.etc. It's a bit late in the day to claim rape if you now regret having an opportunistic grope  or three. If age appropriate.

So if you had to chose between Pol Pot and Adolf Hitle, and Japan's emperor , who would be your favoured candidte for world domination?

Neither Trump or Clinton are fit for purpose, but in my opinion Trump has not commited any crime,or been party to inapropriate sexual encounters, or covered for them, while in a Government position, or associated with anyone who has and has held a seniour governement position.i.e Mr President.



U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel in San Diego on Thursday rejected the request by the Republican presidential candidate’s lead lawyer to put off the trial until January. Trump’s lawyer, Dan Petrocelli, had asked for the delay because he has another case going to trial less than two weeks before the Trump University dispute and argued he wouldn’t be able to prepare adequately.

"Defense counsel had multiple opportunities to raise the issue with the court prior to Aug. 26, 2016, but did not do so," the judge said.

Curiel scheduled the Trump University trial for Nov. 28 so the case could be decided after the presidential election but before a possible inauguration. At the Aug. 26 court hearing, Petrocelli told Curiel that he would ask to have the trial moved to mid-January if he weren’t able to win a delay in the other case, in which he’s defending satellite radio provider Sirius XM against former member of the 1960s band The Turtles over payment for pre-1972 recordings.

The Trump University case scheduled for trial is one of two class actions by the former students who claim they were cheated into paying as much as $35,000 for real-estate investment seminars. The students allege they were lured by false promises that the seminars would be taught by instructors who were hand-picked by Trump and that they would learn the billionaire’s investment secrets.

The case is Low v. Trump University LLC, 10-cv-00940, U.S. District Court, Southern District of California (San Diego).

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-09-15/trump-university-trial-to-go-ahead-in-november-as-delay-rejected


Thoughts?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 30, 2016, 01:07:01 PM


U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel in San Diego on Thursday rejected the request by the Republican presidential candidate’s lead lawyer to put off the trial until January. Trump’s lawyer, Dan Petrocelli, had asked for the delay because he has another case going to trial less than two weeks before the Trump University dispute and argued he wouldn’t be able to prepare adequately.

"Defense counsel had multiple opportunities to raise the issue with the court prior to Aug. 26, 2016, but did not do so," the judge said.




Curiel scheduled the Trump University trial for Nov. 28 so the case could be decided after the presidential election but before a possible inauguration. At the Aug. 26 court hearing, Petrocelli told Curiel that he would ask to have the trial moved to mid-January if he weren’t able to win a delay in the other case, in which he’s defending satellite radio provider Sirius XM against former member of the 1960s band The Turtles over payment for pre-1972 recordings.

The Trump University case scheduled for trial is one of two class actions by the former students who claim they were cheated into paying as much as $35,000 for real-estate investment seminars. The students allege they were lured by false promises that the seminars would be taught by instructors who were hand-picked by Trump and that they would learn the billionaire’s investment secrets.

The case is Low v. Trump University LLC, 10-cv-00940, U.S. District Court, Southern District of California (San Diego).

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-09-15/trump-university-trial-to-go-ahead-in-november-as-delay-rejected


Thoughts?

"Defense counsel had multiple opportunities to raise the issue with the court prior to Aug. 26, 2016, but did not do so," the judge said.

Defense council is that not something to do with lawyers?

He must be guilty then. or should we go on Clintons wagon and demand even though he may be guiilty he should get off with it...
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 30, 2016, 01:16:17 PM
"Defense counsel had multiple opportunities to raise the issue with the court prior to Aug. 26, 2016, but did not do so," the judge said.

Defense council is that not something to do with lawyers?

He must be guilty then. or should we go on Clintons wagon and demand even though he may be guiilty he should get off with it...

Erm, yes. Defence counsel generally has "something to do" with lawyers...
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 30, 2016, 01:28:59 PM
Erm, yes. Defence counsel generally has "something to do" with lawyers...

Good! glad we got that cleared up. So it was defence council who had not enough time to prepare...like the judge said. Hmm lol

The devil is always in the detail.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on October 30, 2016, 01:35:54 PM
Good! glad we got that cleared up. So it was defence council who had not enough time to prepare...like the judge said. Hmm lol

The devil is always in the detail.

We're talking about Trump's impending cases... if ever you wondered.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 30, 2016, 02:01:01 PM
We're talking about Trump's impending cases... if ever you wondered.

Yes. I know. I was just making sure  that the readers know that it is defence council who is requesting more time.

Sorry do you object to an' innocent until proved guilty beyond reasonable doubt' man having a defence council , and do you think it bad that they request more time?  does there timing not please you? Perhaps we should just skip that  court bit,  and get straight to the guilty as 'ell send him down. But then that seems to be in conflict with your other stance on criminals and their defence council Mrs Clinton.

Oh conffuzzled .com
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on October 31, 2016, 07:05:23 PM
A view by a mainstream broadcaster on LBC.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/donald-trump-jimmy-savile-peas-in-a-pod/

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: sadie on November 01, 2016, 01:03:31 AM
A view by a mainstream broadcaster on LBC.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/donald-trump-jimmy-savile-peas-in-a-pod/
OMG  Pretty powerful that ! 

But the adoring fans seem to shrug everything off ..... sighs

There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on November 01, 2016, 02:24:37 AM
OMG  Pretty powerful that ! 

But the adoring fans seem to shrug everything off ..... sighs

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Was Bill Clinton any different and he is adored too by some?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on November 01, 2016, 07:27:46 AM
Was Bill Clinton any different and he is adored too by some?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Did Clinton consider 10 y.o. girls as future dates/sexual conquests ?

Personally, I thought O'Brien too mild in his description of Trump.

I believe I asked you before, if you would like Trump anywhere near a daughter of yours. So would you ?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on November 01, 2016, 08:40:04 AM
Good! glad we got that cleared up. So it was defence council who had not enough time to prepare...like the judge said. Hmm lol

The devil is always in the detail.

The fact that the lawyer has a timing conflict due to a different case is neither here nor there. The class-action suit has been pending for over six years. I'd have thought his lawyer would have had more than enough time to prepare.

Actually, the judge (the one he accused of being hostile to him because he was of Mexican heritage) decided to schedule the trial until after the election, but before his potential inauguration.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/16/donald-trump-university-trial-request-delay-denied
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on November 01, 2016, 08:48:00 AM
I choked on my tea when I read this !!! Hilarious.

There is nothing wrong with people having affairs and enjoying a promiscious sex life, as long as both participants are willing and free from pressure of any sort. ie a boss telling you if you don't comply you will get sacked.etc. It's a bit late in the day to claim rape if you now regret having an opportunistic grope  or three. If age appropriate.

So if you had to chose between Pol Pot and Adolf Hitle, and Japan's emperor , who would be your favoured candidte for world domination?

Neither Trump or Clinton are fit for purpose, but in my opinion Trump has not commited any crime,or been party to inapropriate sexual encounters, or covered for them, while in a Government position, or associated with anyone who has and has held a seniour governement position.i.e Mr President.

What do you mean by "while in a government position" ? He's never held a government position unless you mean since he started his presidential campaign. 


Meanwhile...

On October 10, 2016, it was announced attorney Cheney Mason will represent Jane Doe in the case against Trump and Epstein. The first hearing is scheduled for December 16, 2016.[145][146][147]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

Of course, it's possible that the second one may not take place.

And he may be cleared in one or both cases, so yes, innocent until guilty, but he's sure going to be busy...
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on November 01, 2016, 09:00:33 AM
What do you mean by "while in a government position" ? He's never held a government position unless you mean since he started his presidential campaign. 


Meanwhile...

On October 10, 2016, it was announced attorney Cheney Mason will represent Jane Doe in the case against Trump and Epstein. The first hearing is scheduled for December 16, 2016.[145][146][147]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

Of course, it's possible that the second one may not take place.

And he may be cleared in one or both cases, so yes, innocent until guilty, but he's sure going to busy...

Thank you for that information on both cases Carana.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on November 01, 2016, 09:21:27 AM
Thank you for that information on both cases Carana.

You're welcome, Stephen.

I don't know quite what to make of what the FBI chap is up to. I can sort of understand that he found himself between a rock and a hard place, but then why did he not make a similar statement over the suspected Russian involvement in the hacking saga?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/31/james-comey-fbi-clinton-trump-email-investigation-russia-hack
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on November 01, 2016, 09:25:42 AM
You're welcome, Stephen.

I don't know quite what to make of what the FBI chap is up to. I can sort of understand that he found himself between a rock and a hard place, but then why did he not make a similar statement over the suspected Russian involvement in the hacking saga?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/31/james-comey-fbi-clinton-trump-email-investigation-russia-hack

I agree totally.

If Clinton's former associates e-mails are being investigated, then an even handed approach should be extended over the other hacks.

At the moment the investigation is very partisan it seems. Quite frankly, it is making the American election system a laughing stock.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on November 01, 2016, 09:34:35 AM
'Trump camp denies report of Russian bank being tied to Trump Organization'

he campaign denied a Slate report that said activity on an organization server indicated ‘sustained relationship’ with Russia’s largest private commercial bank

 The report is the latest allegation during this election season of questionable links between Donald Trump and Russia.

The Trump campaign has denied a report that a Trump Organization server was used to send or receive communications with a Russian bank.

The denial on Monday night came in response to a Slate article that said activity on the server indicated “a sustained relationship between a server registered to the Trump Organization and two servers registered to an entity called Alfa Bank”, the largest private commercial bank in Russia.

The report is the latest allegation during this election season of questionable links between Trump and Russia. The Clinton campaign quickly pounced on the report, declaring the story proof of “the most direct link yet between Donald Trump and Moscow”.


Donald Trump and Russia: a web that grows more tangled all the time
 
The Guardian has been unable to independently confirm Slate’s report. Rumors of an internet connection between the bank and a web address linked to the Trump Organization have been circulating in Washington for a number of weeks.

However, the New York Times reported on Monday that “the FBI ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts”.

Trump campaign press secretary Hope Hicks said as much: “First of all, it’s not a secret server. The email server, set up for marketing purposes and operated by a third-party, has not been used since 2010. The current traffic on the server from Alphabank’s [sic] IP address is regular DNS server traffic – not email traffic.”

“To be clear, The Trump Organization is not sending or receiving any communications from this email server,” Hicks continued. “The Trump Organization has no communication or relationship with this entity or any Russian entity.”

Late on Monday, a spokesperson for Alfa Bank said the allegations of a connection to the Trump organization were “patently false” and that a cybersecurity firm the bank had hired to investigate believed the activity could have been “caused by a spam attack”.

“Neither Alfa Bank nor its principals, including Mikhail Fridman and Petr Aven, have or have had any contact with Mr. Trump or his organizations. Fridman and Aven have never met Mr. Trump nor have they or Alfa Bank had any business dealings with him. Neither Alfa nor its officers have sent Mr. Trump or his organizations any emails, information or money. Alfa Bank does not have and has never had any special or exclusive internet connection with Mr. Trump or his entities.”

The report, based on Slate’s interviews with three anonymous domain name system (DNS) specialists and multiple named academics with expertise in DNS, concluded that the server in question “was set to accept only incoming communication from a very small handful of IP addresses.” Among them, according to the DNS specialists: two Alfa Bank servers, which the specialists said accounted for 87% of the DNS lookups involving the Trump Organization server.

Trump’s ties to Russia have long raised eyebrows. Several of the Republican nominee’s campaign staffers, including former campaign chair Paul Manafort, have long maintained business ties in Eastern Europe. Manafort was a longtime political adviser to deposed Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, a close Putin ally.

Also on Monday night, Manafort responded to an NBC News report that there was a preliminary FBI inquiry into his ties to Russia, calling it “an outrageous smear being driven by Harry Reid and the Clinton campaign”.


“It is an attempt by them to take the focus off of the FBI’s announcement of last Friday on the FBI’s renewed interest in the Clinton email scandal and the Wikileaks release of DNC and Clinton campaign emails. There is nothing of my business activities to investigate.”

The Republican nominee has long praised Russian leader Vladimir Putin and refused to condemn the Russian regime’s hostile actions towards neighboring countries, including Ukraine. He has even criticized Hillary Clinton for her criticism of Putin and the United States to cooperate with Russia in Syria, where the Russian air force has been repeatedly conducted air strikes on civilians in Aleppo.

Further, Trump has long worked with Russian business interests in real estate projects. His son, Donald Trump Jr, said in 2008, “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”

Report: Trump used 'legally dubious' tax avoidance maneuver in 1990s – as it happened
Follow live updates on the fallout from the FBI announcing it has found as many as 650,000 emails during investigation into Anthony Weiner
 
Hillary for America senior policy adviser Jake Sullivan called the alleged “secret hotline” between the Trump Organization and Russian banks “the key to unlocking the mystery of Trump’s ties to Russia”.

“This line of communication may help explain Trump’s bizarre adoration of Vladimir Putin and endorsement of so many pro-Kremlin positions throughout this campaign,” Sullivan continued. “It raises even more troubling questions in light of Russia’s masterminding of hacking efforts that are clearly intended to hurt Hillary Clinton’s campaign. We can only assume that federal authorities will now explore this direct connection between Trump and Russia as part of their existing probe into Russia’s meddling in our elections.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/31/trump-organization-server-russia-bank-slate-report

Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on November 01, 2016, 09:44:24 AM
I agree totally.

If Clinton's former associates e-mails are being investigated, then an even handed approach should be extended over the other hacks.

At the moment the investigation is very partisan it seems. Quite frankly, it is making the American election system a laughing stock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsBYBugvDek

lol
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Eleanor on November 01, 2016, 04:07:15 PM

I can't be actually bothered o comment.  Nothing to be done.  America will get precisely what it deserves.

Such a sad thing when America was worth better than this.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Carana on November 01, 2016, 04:37:24 PM
I can't be actually bothered o comment.  Nothing to be done.  America will get precisely what it deserves.

Such a sad thing when America was worth better than this.

The thing is, Eleanor, is that he appears to be one hell of a loose cannon even for many senior Republicans. It won't just be Americans who'll have to deal with whatever pops into his head - it's all of us.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Eleanor on November 01, 2016, 07:46:39 PM
The thing is, Eleanor, is that he appears to be one hell of a loose cannon even for many senior Republicans. It won't just be Americans who'll have to deal with whatever pops into his head - it's all of us.

But you see, I so loved America, and the land of the brave.  I have no idea of Republican or Democrat, Silly me.  This was the place wherein someone could become someone.

And now I am being forced to watch a pair of dick heads disgracing them selves.

I no longer care of what they do.  This isn't the America that I thought I knew.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: John on November 02, 2016, 03:32:04 PM
The Donald edges ahead in the polls as the latest e-mail revelations damage Clinton's hopes of being first female President.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-leads-clinton-point-poll-enthusiasm-declines/story?id=43199459
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on November 02, 2016, 06:59:14 PM
The Donald edges ahead in the polls as the latest e-mail revelations damage Clinton's hopes of being first female President.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-leads-clinton-point-poll-enthusiasm-declines/story?id=43199459

Why do people call him the 'donald'  ?

He is the 'trump', or perhaps more appropriately, the 'fart'.

Now with these e-mails, they aren't even Clinton's, are they.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Mr Moderator on November 02, 2016, 07:05:04 PM
Why do people call him the 'donald'  ?

He is the 'trump', or perhaps more appropriately, the 'fart'.

Now with these e-mails, they aren't even Clinton's, are they.

I believe it is a nickname Stephen.  President Donald?
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on November 02, 2016, 08:20:36 PM
I believe it is a nickname Stephen.  President Donald?

So I've heard.

I prefer the alternative I gave, and far more accurate and descriptive of Trump.

Then there's James O'Brien's alternative.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: sadie on November 04, 2016, 02:41:54 AM
But you see, I so loved America, and the land of the brave.  I have no idea of Republican or Democrat, Silly me.  This was the place wherein someone could become someone.

And now I am being forced to watch a pair of dick heads disgracing them selves.

I no longer care of what they do.  This isn't the America that I thought I knew.

Only four more days to go Eleanor

Thank Gawd !
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: mercury on November 04, 2016, 02:55:01 AM
I believe it is a nickname Stephen.  President Donald?
More like donald duck
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on November 04, 2016, 07:01:46 AM
More like donald duck

I might change one l letter of the second word and then add 'less'. 8)--))
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Eleanor on November 09, 2016, 08:44:14 AM
haha a bit less awful. I will take that and hope he surprises us all. Cant say I am a fan of Hilary either

Wasn't that how most people felt?

Apart from Bush, who I personally adored, because he was so funny, I haven't seen a President of note in many a long year.  Trump might just be such a man.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2016, 08:44:50 AM
That's a bit like how I feel, Stephen.  But which one of them is left and which is right?

Both the Democrats and Republicans are to the right of the political spectrum, compared to the UK's main 2 parties Eleanor.

Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Eleanor on November 09, 2016, 08:45:21 AM
It's ISIL, not ISIS Spam.

Do you really believe in your wildest fantasies, that these fanatics will be scared by Trump ?

No chance at all.

They will use Trump as a breeding ground to recruit more.

We don't want them Scared, Stephen.  We just want them wiped out.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Eleanor on November 09, 2016, 08:46:57 AM
Both the Democrats and Republicans are to the right of the political spectrum, compared to the UK's main 2 parties Eleanor.

Thank You, Stephen.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2016, 08:47:43 AM
We don't want them Scared, Stephen.  We just want them wiped out.

That isn't going to happen Eleanor.

I have seen for myself the mindset which drives some of these people. No persuasion makes them see the reality of the situation , and they will not accept they are being manipulated.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 09, 2016, 10:43:44 PM
That isn't going to happen Eleanor.

I have seen for myself the mindset which drives some of these people. No persuasion makes them see the reality of the situation , and they will not accept they are being manipulated.

Once they are not supported financially, as we have seen greed will divide, they will run and those who have long memories and shortened lives at their hands, will seek revenge. But I do hope Trump turns with Russia if he wants to stay in that fight, and aniahlate ISIS/ISIL.
Title: Re: Who would trust Bojo or Trump
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 03, 2020, 08:09:33 PM

She's a corrupt evil war monger who should be behind bars.

She wants to not just attack Iran but totally obliterate them.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-attack-iran/5460484

She was gleeful about the public sodomizing by knife of Gadaffi.

Also look up Benghazi.

What Trump has going for him is, he isn't the wrathful vengeful war whore that Hillary is.

Erm...