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UK and North American politics. => A look at British politics in the light of the decision to leave the EU. => Topic started by: John on September 28, 2016, 10:10:39 PM

Title: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: John on September 28, 2016, 10:10:39 PM
The shooting down of Flight MH17 over the Ukraine by Russian-backed seperatists and the war crimes in Aleppo, Syria, has now left Russia in direct conflict with the West.  Tonight the US Secretary of State, John Kerry, has threatened Russia that all diplomatic contacts between the US and Russia will be ended if the current situation in Syria continues.

Are we facing what could very well escalate to a direct conflict with Russia.

(https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-NW133_0504al_P_20160504133807.jpg)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37497220

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Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 29, 2016, 08:23:23 AM

The US coallition 'accidently' killed 60 odd Syrian Troops ( during they're own ceasfire) which allowed ISIS to make gains.

Syria, Assad, Russia....are in the right......the coallition forces are defending ISIS.

Even John Kerry admits Al Nusra ( the so called moderates & rebels)  are ISIS.

The US will not stop supporting ISIS until Assad is removed & replaced with they're own pro US puppet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJZRvp6w4wc
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 29, 2016, 08:37:17 AM

Wake up world!

America & the coalition created, funds, arms & supports ISIS in Syria......whilst Russia & Syria are demonized by the MSM propaganda machine.

Ironically.....Trump....the one who's painted as the racist devil.....is the only presidential candidate who wants better relations with Russia.

Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: John on September 29, 2016, 01:34:19 PM
Wake up world!

America & the coalition created, funds, arms & supports ISIS in Syria......whilst Russia & Syria are demonized by the MSM propaganda machine.

Ironically.....Trump....the one who's painted as the racist devil.....is the only presidential candidate who wants better relations with Russia.

So if Hiliary wins can we look forward to Armageddon?
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on September 29, 2016, 02:23:27 PM
Wake up world!

America & the coalition created, funds, arms & supports ISIS in Syria......whilst Russia & Syria are demonized by the MSM propaganda machine.

Ironically.....Trump....the one who's painted as the racist devil.....is the only presidential candidate who wants better relations with Russia.

Not to mention Assad being the legitimate leader of the legitimate government in Syria.
So the west support military overthrow of legitimte governments...who will be next one wonders?
As a throw in in Aleppo a large number of the "rebeldes" are foreign nationals.................... &%+((£
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 29, 2016, 02:24:40 PM
So if Hiliary wins can we look forward to Armageddon?

She's the pro establishment candidate. She'll change nothing for the better & her relationship with Putin is certainly a cause for concern.

She's funded by the Saudis, amongst others.

The same Saudis who are also funding & arming ISIS.

As with everything, oil is concerened.

The Saudis & U.S had planned to build a gas pipe from Saudi Arabia & Iran, through Syria & into Europe.

The upshot of which would be a weakened Russian economy. (NATO are already surrounding Russia!)

Assad opposed this gas line, since Syria is a Russian Ally........ it was around that time he started getting accused of war crimes & the U.S intervened......how extraordinary!

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-secret-stupid-saudi-us-deal-on-syria/5410130

The U.S will stop at nothing, including MSM propaganda, false flag attacks & major conflict, to keep propping up the petrodollar.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 29, 2016, 02:27:22 PM
Not to mention Assad being the legitimate leader of the legitimate government in Syria.
So the west support military overthrow of legitimte governments...who will be next one wonders?
As a throw in in Aleppo a large number of the "rebeldes" are foreign nationals.................... &%+((£

In Libya, during the Arab Spring, the coalition supported rebels were....Al Qaeda!

Gadaffi wanted to abandon the petrodollar......by coincidence.

Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: John on September 29, 2016, 02:55:10 PM
In Libya, during the Arab Spring, the coalition supported rebels were....Al Qaeda!

Gadaffi wanted to abandon the petrodollar......by coincidence.

I can agree with that, the US has always gone to extreme lengths to protect their dollar bill.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on September 29, 2016, 04:25:54 PM
I can agree with that, the US has always gone to extreme lengths to protect their dollar bill.

The Americans seem to believe they have a divine right to do as they wish.

They love to kick ass, especially if the opponent can't fight back.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 29, 2016, 07:37:50 PM

‘Russia will continue to send troops home [from Syria] in body bags’ – US State Dept

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wRXncGsktE


State Dept. Threatens Terror Attacks in Russia if Moscow Keeps Fighting ISIS
"More Russian lives will be lost, more Russian aircraft will be shot down"

http://www.infowars.com/state-dept-threatens-terror-attacks-in-russia-if-moscow-keeps-fighting-isis/
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 29, 2016, 08:00:57 PM


Putin's Warning: Full Speech 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqD8lIdIMRo
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 07:49:39 AM
The shooting down of Flight MH17 over the Ukraine by Russian-backed seperatists and the war crimes in Aleppo, Syria, has now left Russia in direct conflict with the West.  Tonight the US Secretary of State, John Kerry, has threatened Russia that all diplomatic contacts between the US and Russia will be ended if the current situation in Syria continues.

Are we facing what could very well escalate to a direct conflict with Russia.



I'm inclined to believe that the downing of MH17 was a Pro-US false flag, an effort to further ramp up the Anti Russian sentiment & pave the way for ligitimizing war with Russia.

Interestingly, the unimpartial investigation into MH17 is headed by the victim (Holland) & a suspect (Ukraine).

And what are they spouting.....It was Russia what did it!"..... surprise surprise!


‘MH17 probe breaks all legal precedents, blows impartiality out of the water’

The supposedly impartial probe into the MH17 crash, which somehow included a victim and one of the suspects as investigators, relied on accounts of alleged witnesses who supported the “American version” of events, believes former MI5 agent Annie Machon.


RT: How reliable is the data that the investigators have based their conclusions on?

Annie Machon: Well, I think the whole case has always been a bit dubious, because the international community was very quick to point the finger at Russia before any investigation had been carried out. And economic sanctions were then taken out against the country, which had yet been proven guilty of anything.

And also the other problem, of course, is that the Dutch authorities were given the chance of investigating this. They’re the victims of the shooting down of MH17. So, again, how often in a major investigations do you have the victims investigating the crime? So that has always been very dubious in my view.

In terms of the evidence that has not come out. It’s all very murky about who precisely pointed that missile, who precisely pulled that trigger.


RT: Can the probe really be said to have been impartial given that Ukraine’s on the investigating team?

AM: I think it blows any idea of impartiality out of the water. Ukraine has been fully involved in this investigation, which gives them a chance to obfuscate, or cover up, or produce fake intelligence and fake evidence. And Russia although trying to present as much information and evidence as they can about the nature of this missile, produced by the Russian country two decades ago, has been largely blocked from the investigation.

What we need is a proper impartial internationally recognized body that can carry out a proper impartial evidence-based inquiry into this. And until such an inquiry happens and it comes out with cast-iron evidence and a verdict, really no country should be penalized for this appalling terrorist attack.

The other question, of course, you have to ask ‘Who benefits?’ “Qui bono?”, the old Cicero quote. And it certainly didn’t benefit Russia. But it certainly did benefit those who were keen to back the coup, that occurred in Ukraine two years ago. And we know as well that the Americans and the Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland were crowing about this, after the democratically elected government was overthrown two years ago and an American puppet was put in place. And they also brushed aside the EU’s concerns around the damage the sanctions they have been forced to impose on Russia having on their own economies. And, you know, Victoria Nuland way famously in that hacked telephone conversation to one of her colleagues said then “F**k the EU!” That’s the position of the US.


RT: The joint team received a secret report from the US – which reportedly includes satellite images. Why has Washington never made that data public? Especially if it is conclusive evidence?

I honestly don’t know why they haven’t made this public. Everyone knows that there is a global surveillance network, run largely by the US and supported by its allies in NATO. So, yes, everyone would assume that what was then a very sensitive region of the world, in Ukraine post-coup, would have endemic, a blanket surveillance, both from satellites and also intercept and electronic surveillance going on at that crucial junction in history.

So yes, if they really are surveilling like that, they must have a ton of evidence about what actually happened to MH17. After the deaths of hundreds of people in that attack the very least they could do would be to release some of that evidence, so people can see with their own eyes what exactly happened. The fact they are not doing that, the fact that Russia has released the evidence they have actually again makes the whole thing very very dubious.

RT: Russian primary radar data was submitted to the investigators. Why was it not taken into account? Isn’t this data crucial to the investigation?

AM: Of course this data would be crucial, it would be the evidence of exactly what happened. What trajectory this Buk missile was supposed to have taken, from which territory was it fired. And the makers say that the trajectory that they would assume that this Buk missile could take, shows it came from the southwest, not from the east, which would imply it was Ukrainian forces who fired the missile, not necessary the Russians.

It doesn’t seem there’s any concrete, sworn to evidence from the so-called eyewitnesses, there’ve also been many many reports of course of limited credibility, in the same way as these other eyewitnesses, that perhaps there were fighters in the sky, that might have shot down the plane or other people saying they saw the trajectory of the missile coming from the different direction.

Now why is one group of witnesses, who supports the American version of what happened, have been included in this official report and not these other witnesses?

So again, it just breaks all legal precedents, they are not having a proper forensic investigation into a terrible tragedy, and the families deserve that.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/361137-mh17-probe-breaks-precedents/
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 09:06:37 AM
If Hillary becomes U.S President....expect war.


Hillary Clinton Is The NWO NEO-CON Candidate For World War III.


The Complete A To Z Of Nations Destroyed By Hillary Clinton's "Hubris"


In an email sent to his business partner and Democratic fundraiser Jeffrey Leeds, former Secretary of State Colin Powell wrote of Hillary Clinton, “Everything HRC touches she kind of screws up with hubris.”

Clinton’s tenure as Secretary of State during Barack Obama’s first term was an unmitigated disaster for many nations around the world. Neither the Donald Trump campaign nor the corporate media have adequately described how a number of countries around the world suffered horribly from Mrs. Clinton’s foreign policy decisions.

The following is a before and after recap, country by country, of the destabilizing effects of Clinton’s policies as Secretary of State:


Abkhazia

Before Hillary: In 2009, more and more nations began recognizing the independence of this nation that broke away from Georgia and successfully repelled a U.S.-supported Georgian invasion in 2008.

After Hillary
: Clinton pressured Vanuatu and Tuvalu to break off diplomatic relations with Abkhazia in 2011. The State Department pressured the governments of India, Germany, and Spain to refuse to recognize the validity of Abkhazian passports and, in violation of the US-UN Treaty, refused to permit Abkhazian diplomats to visit UN headquarters in New York. The Clinton State Department also threatened San Marino, Belarus, Ecuador, Bolivia, Cuba, Somalia, Uzbekistan, and Peru with recriminations if they recognized Abkhazia. Georgia was connected to Clinton through the representation of Georgia in Washington by the Podesta Group, headed by Tony Podesta, the brother of Mrs. Clinton’s close friend and current campaign chairman John Podesta.
Millions of people were adversely harmed by Clinton’s misguided policies and her “pay-to-play” operations involving favors in return for donations to the Clinton Foundation and Clinton Global Initiative.


Argentina


Before Hillary: Under President Nestor Kirchner and his wife Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, Argentina’s economy improved and the working class and students prospered.

After Hillary: After former president Nestor Kirchner’s sudden death in 2010, the U.S. embassy in Buenos Aires became a nexus for anti-Kirchner activities, including the fomenting of political and labor protests against the government. Meanwhile, Clinton pressed Argentina hard on its debt obligations to the IMF, also crippling the economy.


Bolivia

Before Hillary: Bolivia’s progressive president Evo Morales, the country’s first indigenous Aymara leader, provided government support to the country’s coca farmers and miners. Morales also committed his government to environmental protection. He kept his country out of the Free Trade Area of the Americas and helped start the Peoples’ Trade Agreement with Venezuela and Cuba.

After Hillary: Clinton permitted the U.S. embassy in La Paz to stir up separatist revolts in four mostly European-descent Bolivian provinces, as well as foment labor strikes among miners and other workers in the same model used in Venezuela.


Brazil

Before Hillary
: Brazil’s progressive presidents, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva and Dilma Rousseff, ushered in a new era for the country, with workers’ and students' rights at the forefront and environmental protection and economic development for the poor major priorities.

After Hillary: Clinton’s authorization of massive electronic spying from the US embassy in Brasilia and consulate general in Rio de Janeiro resulted in a “constitutional coup” against Rousseff and the Workers’ Party government, ushering in a right-wing, CIA-supported corrupt government.


Central African Republic

Before Hillary: Under President Francois Bozize, the CAR remained relatively calm under a peace agreement hammered out under the auspices of Muammar Qaddafi’s Libya.

After Hillary: In 2012, Islamist terrorists of the Seleka movement and supported by Saudi Arabia conducted an uprising, massacring Christians and riving Bozize’s government from power. The CAR became a failed state under Clinton’s State Department.


Ecuador

Before Hillary
: Ecuador began sharing its oil wealth with the people and the economy and the plight of the nation’s poor improved.

After Hillary: Clinton authorized a 2010 National Police coup against President Rafael Correa. The economy soon plunged as labor disputes wracked the mining and oil sectors.


Egypt

Before Hillary: Under Hosni Mubarak, Egypt was a stable secular nation that suppressed jihadist politics in the mosques. The jihadist-oriented Muslim Brotherhood was kept at bay.

After Hillary: After Clinton’s 2011 “Arab Spring” and the toppling of Mubarak, Egypt saw Mohamed Morsi of the Muslim Brotherhood elected president. Immediately, the secular country began a process of Islamization with Christian Copts experiencing repression and violence, including massacres. Morsi’s rule resulted in a military coup, thus ending Egypt’s previous moves toward democracy.


Germany

Before Hillary: The nation was a peaceful country where German culture, as well as religious freedom and women’s rights were guaranteed.

After Hillary: Clinton’s “Arab Spring” eventually resulted in a flood of mainly Muslim refugees being welcomed into Germany from the Middle East, Africa, and South Asia. Today, Germany is wracked by Muslim refugee street crime, unsanitary and harmful public health habits of migrants, sexual assaults by migrant men of women and children, increased acts of terrorism, and a diminution of German culture and religious practices.


Greece

Before Hillary: Greece was a nation that saw government safety net social services extended to all in need. It also remained a top tourist destination for northern Europeans.

After Hillary: The 2010 debt crisis emaciated the Greek economy and Clinton remained adamant that Greece comply with draconian economic measures dictated by Germany, the European Union, and the IMF/World Bank. Making matters worse, Clinton’s “Arab Spring” eventually resulted in a flood of mainly Muslim refugees being welcomed into first, the Greek isles, and then mainland Greece, from the Middle East, Africa, and South Asia. Today, Greece, especially the islands of Lesbos, Chios, Samos, Symi, Rhodes, Leros, and Kos, are wracked by Muslim refugee crime, unsanitary public health habits of migrants, sexual assaults by migrant men of women and children, acts of arson and vandalism, and a diminution of Greek culture and religious practices.


Guatemala

Before Hillary: Under President Alvaro Colom, the nation’s first populist progressive president, the poor received access to health, education, and social security.

After Hillary: Clinton authorized the U.S. embassy in Guatemala to work against the 2011 election of president Colom’s wife, Sandra Torres. Colom was succeeded by a right-wing corrupt president who resigned for corruption and then was arrested.


Haiti

Before Hillary: Haiti was prepared in 2011 to re-elect Jean-Bertrand Aristide, forced out of office and into exile in a 2004 CIA coup. The prospects of Artistide’s return to power was a blessing for the slum dwellers of Haiti.

After Hillary: Clinton refused to allow Aristide to return to Haiti from exile in South Africa until it was too late for him to run in the 2011 election. Under a series of U.S.-installed presidents, all approved by Bill and Hillary Clinton, Haiti is a virtual cash cow for the Clintons. The Clinton Foundation diverted for its own use, international aid to Haiti, and the Clintons ensured that their wealthy friends in the hotel, textile, and construction businesses landed lucrative contracts for Haitian projects, none of which have benefited the Haitian poor and many of which resulted in sweat shops and extremely low wage labor practices.


Honduras

Before Hillary: Emergent multi-party democracy with a populist progressive president, Manuel Zelaya. Children received free education, poor children received free school meals, interest rates were reduced, and the poorest families were given free electricity.

After Hillary: Clinton authorized a military coup d’etat against Zelaya in 2009. Clinton family “fix-it” man Lanny Davis became a public relations flack for the military dictatorship. A fascist dictatorship involved in extrajudicial death squad killings of journalists, politicians, and indigenous leaders followed the “constitutional coup” against Zelaya. During 2012, Clinton ordered U.S. embassy in Tegucigalpa to work against the 2013 election of Xiomara Castro de Zelaya as president.


Iraq

Before Hillary: Under Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, Iraq experienced small moves toward an accommodation with the Kurds of the north and Sunnis. Iran acted as a moderating political force in the country that deterred any attempts by Saudi-supported jihadis to disrupt the central government in Baghdad.

After Hillary: Clinton’s Arab Spring resulted in the rise of the Sunni/Wahhabist Islamic State in northern and western Iraq and Iraq’s plunge into failed state status. Shi’as, Kurds, Yazidis, Assyrian Christians, and moderate Sunnis were massacred by the jihadis in northern, western, and central Iraq. The Iraqi cities of Mosul, Kirkuk, and Nineveh fell to ISIL forces with non-Muslims being raped, tortured, and executed and priceless antiquities being destroyed by the marauding jihadists.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-30/handy-chart-countries-destroyed-hillary
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 09:07:16 AM
 (Cont)

Kosovo

Before Hillary: Kosovo, which became independent in 2008, initially granted its Serbian minority in northern Kosovo and Metohija some degree of self-government.

After Hillary: In 2009, Kosovo increasingly became a state ruled by criminal syndicates and terrorists of the former Kosovo Liberation Army. The rights of Serbs were increasingly marginalized and Kosovo became a prime recruiting ground for jihadist guerrillas in Arab countries subjected to Clinton’s “Arab Spring” operations, including Libya and Syria.

Clinton pressured states receiving U.S. aid and other U.S. allies to recognize Kosovo’s independence. These included Pakistan, Palau, Maldives, St. Kitts-Nevis, Dominica, Fiji, Papua New Guinea, Burundi, East Timor, Haiti, Chad, Gambia, Brunei, Ghana, Kuwait, Ivory Coast, Gabon, St. Lucia, Benin, Niger, Guinea, Central African Republic, Andorra, Oman, Guinea-Bissau, Qatar, Tuvalu, Kiribati, Honduras, Somalia, Djibouti, Vanuatu, Swaziland, Mauritania, Malawi, New Zealand, Dominican Republic, Jordan, Bahrain, and Comoros. In the Kosovo capital of Pristina, there is a 10-foot-high statue of Bill Clinton standing over Bill Clinton Boulevard. Not far away is a women’s clothing store called “Hillary.”


Libya


Before Hillary: Under Muammar Qaddafi, post-sanction Libya saw a boom in urban construction and a new major international airport to serve as a hub for Africa. Plans announced for an African dinar, supported by Libyan gold holdings, to serve the needs of Africa. All Libyans received free education and medical care. There was a program for revenue sharing of Libya’s oil wealth with the Libyan people.

After Hillary: Clinton’s 2011 regime change operations against Qaddafi, which saw the Libyan leader sodomized, beaten, and shot in the head by U.S.-supervised jihadist rebels, resulted in Clinton laughing about the incident in the infamous, “We came, we saw, he died” comment. Libya became a failed state where Islamic jihadist terrorists vied for control of the country and Qaddafi’s arm caches were given or sold to jihadist terrorists in Syria, Iraq, Egypt, the pan-Sahel region, and sub-Saharan Africa. After Qaddafi’s ouster, black African guest workers and their families were massacred by jihadist forces.


Malaysia

Before Hillary:  Malaysia, before 2009, was a religiously tolerant nation where Buddhists, Christians, and Hindus enjoyed freedom of religion.

After Hillary: In 2009, Najib Razak became prime minister and he began accepting bribes from Saudi Arabia that totaled some $2.6 billion with additional Malaysian public money in Razak’s personal bank accounts plus the Saudi cash totaling some $3.5 billion. Razak began allowing Saudi-influenced clerics to push for sharia law throughout Malaysia and Christians in Sarawak, Sabah, and Penang began experiencing Wahhabist repression. Clinton was silent about Malaysian persecution of non-Muslims. The reason may have been a reported several hundred million donation from Razak’s slush fund into the Clinton Foundation’s coffers.


Palestine

Before Hillary: In 2012, Palestine was granted non-member observer status in the United nations. The 2009 Goldstone Report of the UN found that Israel violated international humanitarian law in its war against Gaza in 2009. Palestine was gaining more support and sympathy internationally and was successfully putting to rest Israeli propaganda disinformation.

After Hillary: Hillary Clinton rejected the Goldstone Report as “one-sided.” Clinton’s unbridled support for expanding Israeli settlements in the West Bank and east Jerusalem and its silence on the dehumanizing Israeli blockade of Gaza, emboldened Israel’s theocratic right-wing government to further encroach on Palestinian territories and cementing into place an apartheid-like series of Palestinian “Bantustans” in the West Bank and an open-air ghetto in Gaza.


Paraguay


Before Hillary: The country under Fernando Lugo began lifting out of poverty the nation’s rural campesinos and urban workers. Paraguay also began a steady move toward democratization after years of military dictatorships.

After Hillary
: Clinton’s 2012 “constitutional coup” against Fernando Lugo brought back into power the military-industrial oligarchy with the nation’s campesinos being forced back into poverty and repressive rule.


South Sudan


Before Hillary: Prior to independence in 2011, South Sudan, while rife with intra-tribal feuding, was relatively calm.

After Hillary
: After being rushed into independence from Sudan in 2011, South Sudan, a special project of Clinton, George Soros, and actor George Clooney, descended into civil war and chaos. It beat all records in being transformed from a newly-independent state into a failed state.


Syria


Before Hillary: Syria was a multi-cultural and multi-religious secular state championing the concept of pan-Arab socialism and progressive policies advanced by Egypt’s Gamal Abdel Nasser. Syria was not a safe place for jihadism.

After Hillary
: After Clinton’s 2011 green light for the “Arab Spring,” Syria became a failed state where the Islamic State gained a firm foothold. Minority Alawites, Christians, Druze, and Kurds were massacred by jihadist groups aided and abetted by NGOs and other interests backed by Clinton.


Thailand

Before Hillary: Thailand’s Red Shirt movement was a powerful force that demanded a return to democracy in Thailand and the restoration of former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, ousted in a 2006 military coup, to power.

After Hillary: A Red Shirt protest in 2010 resulted in a bloody crackdown by the Thai military. Clinton remained silent about the Thai army’s killing of protesters and the mass arrests of Red Shirt leaders. U.S. military assistance to the Thai government was continued by Clinton. When Thaskin’s sister, Yingluck Shinawatra, became prime minister in 2011, Clinton began working to undermine her and her government in a manner not unlike Clinton’s subterfuge against Rousseff in Brazil and Cristina Kirchner in Argentina. When it comes to women leaders, Clinton only tolerates conservatives who kow-tow to the United States. The pressure against Yingluck eventually resulted in her ouster in 2014 and her being criminally charged in the same manner that saw Rousseff charged in Brazil.


Tunisia

Before Hillary: Tunisia was one of the most secular nations in the Arab and Islamic world. A top destination for European tourists, the country was more European in its outlook than North African.


After Hillary
: After Clinton’s 2011 “Jasmine Revolution,” a textbook themed revolution crafted by Clinton’s friend George Soros, Tunisia descended into Islamist rule and violence. Today, Tunisia is the top country for recruits to the Islamic State.


Turkey

Before Hillary
: Turkey was moving steadily closer to European standards on human rights and democracy. Even under the Islamist-oriented Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the country remained committed to pluralism.

After Hillary: Clinton authorized the shipment of Libyan weapons captured from Qaddafi’s arms caches to Turkish middlemen in the employment of Erdogan’s government for transfer to the jihadist rebels in Syria. A complication in this arrangement resulted in the September 11, 2012 jihadist attack on the CIA warehouse facility in Benghazi, which killed U.S. envoy Chris Stevens and other State Department personnel. Turkey’s dalliance with jihadist rebels in Syria was mirrored by increasing Islamization of Turkey. The events of 2011 and 2012 resulted in Turkey today being ruled by an Islamist strongman, Erdogan, with open political opposition being stamped out.


Ukraine

Before Hillary: Ukraine was a stable and neutral country that neither aligned itself with the West and NATO nor with Russia under the presidency of Viktor Yanukovych, elected in 2009 and inaugurated in 2010.

After Hillary: Clinton tried everything possible to ensure the 2009 defeat of Viktor Yanukovych. The State Department and its friends in the George Soros camp provided assistance to Clinton’s favorite candidate Yulia Tymoshenko to defeat Yanokovych. It was this early interference in the 2009 election that ultimately led to the “Euromaidan” themed revolution in 2014 against the government, resulting in civil war, the retrocession of Crimea back to Russia, and secessionist states in eastern Ukraine. Clinton’s policies directly led to a failed state in Europe.


Venezuela


Before Hillary
: Under Hugo Chavez, the country provided basic social services to its poorest of citizens. Venezuela also provided discounted gasoline to several Caribbean and Central American countries through the PetroCaribe consortium.

After Hillary: After Clinton allowed the U.S. embassy in Caracas to foment anti-Chavez labor and political protests, the country began to falter economically. After Chavez’s 2012 diagnosis of terminal cancer, the State Department stepped up pressure on Venezuela, crippling the nation’s economy and political system.


Western Sahara

Before Hillary: Recognized by the African Union and several nations around the world as the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic (SADR), Western Sahara saw some hope for an evacuation of illegal Moroccan occupation troops from its territory.

After Hillary: In 2010, Moroccan troops began entering Sahrawi refugee camps and attacking residents, even in UN-protected exclusion zones, where Moroccan troops were prohibited from entering. Clinton ensured that UN talks and a proposed popular referendum on the future of Western Sahara were stalled. Clinton pressured a number of states to withdraw their recognition of the SADR, including St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Paraguay, Haiti, Guinea-Bissau, Cape Verde, Malawi, Kenya, Mauritius, Zambia, Panama, and Burundi. The Clinton Foundation received a 2011 donation of $1 million from a Moroccan phosphate company owned by the Moroccan government and which has mining operations in Western Sahara.


Yemen

Before Hillary: Yemen was a largely secular state that was transforming into a federation where the rights of South Yemen and the Zaidi Houthis of north Yemen were being recognized.

After Hillary: Clinton’s “Arab Spring” of 2011 and the fall of Abdullah Saleh from power saw Yemen become a failed state. Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and the Islamic State gained control over several areas of North and South Yemen. The fall of Saleh permitted Saudi Arabia to conduct a genocidal war in the country with Mrs. Clinton’s full support.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-30/handy-chart-countries-destroyed-hillary
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 03, 2016, 09:22:05 AM
It wasn't just Hilary Spam.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 09:24:48 AM
It wasn't just Hilary Spam.

Must be Trump's fault somehow.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 03, 2016, 09:25:42 AM
Must be Trump's fault somehow.

Clinton's bad enough, Trump would be a whole turn worse.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 09:29:06 AM
Clinton's bad enough, Trump would be a whole turn worse.

How so?

Do you read the Guardian & believe the BBC?

Clinton is worse than bad.

How many legitmate nation states have been overthrown or interfered with by Donald Trump?

The answer is none.

Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 03, 2016, 09:34:24 AM
How so?

Do you read the Guardian & believe the BBC?

Clinton is worse than bad.

How many legitmate nation states have been overthrown or interfered with by Donald Trump?

The answer is none.

I am referring to the man and his character.

I don't trust Clinton one iota, and Trump in my opinion is a sociopath and narcissistic to the extreme. Actually , he and Farage are blood brothers in that respect.

Who wins in America, the rest of us will pay the consequences.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 09:39:57 AM
I am referring to the man and his character.

I don't trust Clinton one iota, and Trump in my opinion is a sociopath and narcissistic to the extreme. Actually , he and Farage are blood brothers in that respect.

Who wins in America, the rest of us will pay the consequences.

Look at his stance on Russia & compare that with Hillary Clinton's.

Hillary & the Clinton foundation are funded by special interests, oil companies & the head chopping Saudis.
The same head chopping Saudis who are arming and orchestrating ISIS in Syria & using chemical weapons in Yemen.

She want's a no fly zone in Syria, which would result in direct conflict with Russia.

But Trump is the dangerous one eh!
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 03, 2016, 09:42:23 AM
Look at his stance on Russia & compare that with Hillary Clinton's.

Hillary & the Clinton foundation are funded by special interests, oil companies & the head chopping Saudis.
The same head chopping Saudis who are arming and orchestrating ISIS in Syria & using chemical weapons in Yemen.

She want's a no fly zone in Syria, which would result in direct conflict with Russia.

But Trump is the dangerous one eh!

.............and what about the Russians who invest in Trump ?

How in all seriousness can you back either of these cretins Spam ?

Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 09:46:29 AM
.............and what about the Russians who invest in Trump ?

How in all seriousness can you back either of these cretins Spam ?

What about them?

Do they chop off heads & invade nation states?

Are they arming & funding Islamic State terrorists, who have carried out terrorist attacks across Europe?

I can easily back Trump because he's the anti-world war , anti ISIS candidate, unlike Hillary.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 03, 2016, 09:51:33 AM
What about them?

Do they chop off heads & invade nation states?

Are they arming & funding Islamic State terrorists, who have carried out terrorist attacks across Europe?

I can easily back Trump because he's the anti-world war , anti ISIS candidate, unlike Hillary.

Are you really that politically naive.

The Americans and Russians adopt the same techniques, now and when the U.S.S.R. existed.  and don't kid yourself otherwise.

Trump is a nutter, and his 'financial acumen', only came from the money given to him by his father, and his repeated history of businesses going bankrupt speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 09:56:23 AM
Are you really that politically naive.

The Americans and Russians adopt the same techniques
, now and when the U.S.S.R. existed.  and don't kid yourself otherwise.

Trump is a nutter, and his 'financial acumen', only came from the money given to him by his father, and his repeated history of businesses going bankrupt speaks for itself.

Since when?

Give some examples of Russian backed terrorism in Europe & the middle east.  (you can't)

The political naievety here is evident by the way the MSM's demonization of Donald Trump is parroted.

Clintons great, she'll be the first woman POTUS.

Trumps hair is bad, he called a woman fat & evaded tax..... lol

Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 03, 2016, 10:01:23 AM
Since when?

Give some examples of Russian backed terrorism in Europe & the middle east.  (you can't)

The political naievety here is evident by the way the MSM's demonization of Donald Trump is parroted.

Clintons great, she'll be the first woman POTUS.

Trumps hair is bad, he called a woman fat & evaded tax..... lol

The Ukraine and Chechnya.

Let's not even count the proxy wars between the two countries over the last 50 odd years.

What don't you get about America and Russia being bad as each other ?

and if you think Trump is sane.................... %&5%£

Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 10:06:51 AM
The Ukraine for one.

Let's not even count the proxy wars between the two countries over the last 50 odd years.

What don't you get about America and Russia being bad as each other ?

and if you think Trump is sane.................... %&5%£

What about Ukraine?

It had a democratically elected pro Russian government ( which didn't suit the US).  So that was ousted by a CIA backed coup (Hillary)  in favour of installing a pro US puppet.

It's now run by a far right group.

Nah, forget it,  just say "Trumps insane" like the press wants you to believe.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 03, 2016, 10:26:04 AM
What about Ukraine?

It had a democratically elected pro Russian government ( which didn't suit the US).  So that was ousted by a CIA backed coup (Hillary)  in favour of installing a pro US puppet.

It's now run by a far right group.

Nah, forget it,  just say "Trumps insane" like the press wants you to believe.

I didn't get my view on Trump from the news.

I studied him.

You should too.

Look up the history of the 'Trump University' which has conned miilions from gullible people.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Jean-Pierre on October 03, 2016, 12:00:22 PM
How so?

Do you read the Guardian & believe the BBC?

Clinton is worse than bad.

How many legitmate nation states have been overthrown or interfered with by Donald Trump?

The answer is none.

Could that be because Clinton has actually served in a government and Trump has absolutely no political experience?   
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 01:33:08 PM
Could that be because Clinton has actually served in a government and Trump has absolutely no political experience?

Yes, didn't she do a great job, eh?

Globalist war monger.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-30/handy-chart-countries-destroyed-hillary

How can anyone support that?

A vote for Hillary is a vote for ISIS.

Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 01:35:27 PM
I didn't get my view on Trump from the news.

I studied him.

You should too.

Look up the history of the 'Trump University' which has conned miilions from gullible people.

Oh gosh, he's done some dodgy business deals.

I notice you evaded the point I made.

Ever heard of The Clinton Foundation, no corruption there. No siree!
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 01:39:51 PM

The Democrats rigged their own elections against the popular candidate (Sanders) in favour of the status quo candidate, Hillary.

But let's just ignore that & say Trumps insane!
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 01:51:48 PM
Slimey Obama 2008.....

"She'll say anything & change nothing."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTtizmetQMY


On Special interests.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6f4tZFZ_-g

Now he endorses her. 

She's must have changed a great deal since 2008.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 03, 2016, 01:57:43 PM
Oh gosh, he's done some dodgy business deals.

I notice you evaded the point I made.

Ever heard of The Clinton Foundation, no corruption there. No siree!

Are you a bit on the slow side ?

I have no regard for either.

What I am wondering, is why you have regard for a loud mouth  who has conned people in his business deals, and evaded paying tax. Trump is a major ar##hole by any standards, yet you if you had the chhance would vote for him. %&5%£ %&5%£

Meanwhile, there is a court case pending against him this month in America
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 02:05:49 PM

Again, ignore policy, just say....

Trumps a loud mouth con artist & asshole.

P.S, Hillary Clinton used the same tax avoidance scheme as Donald Trump.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-02/clinton-campaign-admits-hillary-used-same-tax-avoidance-scheme-trump

Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 03, 2016, 02:46:00 PM
Again, ignore policy, just say....

Trumps a loud mouth con artist & asshole.

P.S, Hillary Clinton used the same tax avoidance scheme as Donald Trump.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-02/clinton-campaign-admits-hillary-used-same-tax-avoidance-scheme-trump

So why are you supporting Trump ?
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 02:55:03 PM
So why are you supporting Trump ?

Like I've already said....avert WWIII.

Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 02:59:43 PM

Putin knows.

"If it's Hillary It's War"

A grim Ministry of Defense (MoD) report circulating in the Kremlin today states that during President Putin’s meeting earlier today with Aerospace Defence Forces (ADF) commanders where he ordered them to accelerate the deployment of at least two more missile attack early warning system satellites, he further warned these military leaders about the facts regarding the American presidential election by stating to them: “If it’s Hillary Clinton, it’s war”.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2039.htm

Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 03:07:11 PM
Putin signs decree suspending Russia's deal on plutonium disposal over hostile US actions

Published time: 3 Oct, 2016

Russia has suspended a post-Cold War deal with the US on disposal of plutonium from decommissioned nuclear warheads. The decision was explained by “the hostile actions of the US” against Russia and may be reversed, if such actions are stopped.

A decree signed by Russian President Vladimir Putin cites “the radical change in the environment, a threat to strategic stability posed by the hostile actions of the US against Russia, and the inability of the US to deliver on the obligation to dispose of excessive weapons plutonium under international treaties, as well as the need to take swift action to defend Russian security” as justification for suspending the deal.

While Russia suspended the plutonium reprocessing deal, it stressed that the Russian fissile material, which was subject to it, would not be used for any military purpose, be it production of new weapons or research.

https://www.rt.com/news/361411-russia-suspend-plutonium-deal/

Hostile Actions....

US State Department John Kirby....

Extremist groups will continue to exploit the vacuums that are there in Syria to expand their operations, which could include attacks against Russian interests, perhaps even Russian cities. Russia will continue to send troops home in body bags, and will continue to lose resources, perhaps even aircraft,” US State Department spokesperson John Kirby told reporters at Wednesday’s press briefing, adding that if the war in Syria continues “more Russian lives will be lost, more Russian aircraft will be shot down.”

.......

Considering, as I've already pointed out, & recent events in Syria have proven, that the U.S are backing Islamic State in Syria.

John Kirby here has litterally threatened Russia with ISIS attacks on home soil.


This is true U.S foreign policy under the Democrats.

Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 03, 2016, 03:33:33 PM
Like I've already said....avert WWIII.

Trump doesn't have a clue about anything, and you believe he should be President. *&*%£
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 03, 2016, 03:37:57 PM
Oh, by the way Spam, you do know your hero is facing a Federal lawsuit , don't you, on rather serious charges ?
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 03:41:15 PM
Trump doesn't have a clue about anything, and you believe he should be President. *&*%£

Yes Stephen & his name sounds like a fart doesn't it, & his hair is bad & blahdy blahdy blah


Hillary & the democrats litterally threaten Russia with war.

Trump doesn't.

One of them will be POTUS.

You do the math.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 03, 2016, 03:44:24 PM
Yes Stephen & his name sounds like a fart doesn't it, & his hair is bad & blahdy blahdy blah


Hillary & the democrats litterally threaten Russia with war.

Trump doesn't.

One of them will be POTUS.

You do the math.

The bladhy blah, I leave to you.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense wouldn't vote for either of the two main candidates.

Yet you would vote for this complete ar@@hole.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 03:57:33 PM
The bladhy blah, I leave to you.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense wouldn't vote for either of the two main candidates.


Yet you would vote for this complete ar@@hole.


One of those two main candidates will be POTUS.

If I were American the choice would be...

1) Vote for the War Whore........help elect a candidate who's pro Islamic State & threatens war with Russia.

2) Abstain... & let the War Whore favourite win......which would mean see above.

3) Vote Trump, who isn't threatening the above.


I just wrote that myself......with my 28 grams.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 03, 2016, 04:00:06 PM

One of those two main candidates will be POTUS.

If I were American the choice would be...

1) Vote for the War Whore........help elect a candidate who's pro Islamic State & threatens war with Russia.

2) Abstain... & let the War Whore favourite win......which would mean see above.

3) Vote Trump, who isn't threatening the above.


I just wrote that myself......with my 28 grams.

As I have said before, there are other candidates.

Now about Trump's Russian financial associates, who are of course upright citizens and not members of the Russian mafia. 8)-)))
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 04:06:51 PM
As I have said before, there are other candidates.

Now about Trump's Russian financial associates, who are of course upright citizens and not members of the Russian mafia. 8)-)))

Yeah.....

4) Vote for one of the other candidates who definitely won't be POTUS,  wasting your vote & allowing the War Whore favourite to succeed.

Brilliant.

Hmmm, who's worse, a Russian Mafia or the head chopping ISIS??
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 05:02:30 PM
John Pilger explains why Trump is the true anti- WWIII candidate.

Renowned Australian journalist and film-maker John Pilger is shooting his new film in the Pacific and Asia. He describes a 'wall of propaganda' and asks: does Australia care?

John Pilger.  A WORLD WAR HAS BEGUN.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUW5-LlLQ1Q
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 03, 2016, 05:20:04 PM
Yeah.....

4) Vote for one of the other candidates who definitely won't be POTUS,  wasting your vote & allowing the War Whore favourite to succeed.

Brilliant.

Hmmm, who's worse, a Russian Mafia or the head chopping ISIS??





It's ISIL by the way.

You do seem so attached to Trump. %&5%£ %&5%£ %&5%£
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 05:28:51 PM
It's ISIL by the way.

You do seem so attached to Trump. %&5%£ %&5%£ %&5%£

IS, Daesh, Al Nusra, Al Qaeda the Free Syrian Army.

They're all just U.S, Saudi mercenary jihadis.

Trump or WW3?

I choose Trump, I must be mad!
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 03, 2016, 05:32:40 PM
IS, Daesh, Al Nusra, Al Qaeda the Free Syrian Army.

They're all just U.S, Saudi mercenary jihadis.

Trump or WW3?

I choose Trump, I must be mad!

What makes you think we are headed to a third world war Spam.

Explain your rationale.

At the moment you sound like an end-of-the-world religious fanatic.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 05:39:22 PM
What makes you think we are headed to a third world war Spam.

Explain your rationale.

At the moment you send like an end-of-the-world religious fanatics.

Explain my rationale?

Have you not read this thread?
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 03, 2016, 05:48:00 PM
Explain my rationale?

Have you not read this thread?

What I have seen from you is nothing more than hysteria.

You seem to blame all the worlds wrongs on Clinton.

It is quite sad.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Alfie on October 03, 2016, 06:00:10 PM
When Russia decides to move in on the Baltic states and Poland, with President Trump's explicit or implicit approval, where does that leave the rest of Europe exactly?
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 06:12:22 PM
If you read the thread, you'll see I blamed Hillary Clinton, not for all the worlds wrongs, but, instead, for Hillary Clintons wrongs.


Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 06:17:38 PM

Putin suspends nuclear pact, raising stakes in row with Washington.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-nuclear-idUSKCN1230YN
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 03, 2016, 06:20:32 PM
If you read the thread, you'll see I blamed Hillary Clinton, not for all the worlds wrongs, but, instead, for Hillary Clintons wrongs.

Of course I believe you. 8)-)))

....and what of all the things Trump has done wrong.

Have you looked up the 'Trump University' yet ?

The forthcoming indictment on rather serious charges.

Tax evasion......................

Just for starters.

Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 03, 2016, 06:23:04 PM
Putin suspends nuclear pact, raising stakes in row with Washington.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-nuclear-idUSKCN1230YN

Do you realize Spam, there are enough atomic bombs worldwide to wipe out all of us 16 times over ?

Do you think Clinton would be unleashed to allow that ?

Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 07:17:57 PM
When Russia decides to move in on the Baltic states and Poland, with President Trump's explicit or implicit approval, where does that leave the rest of Europe exactly?

If Russia attacked Europe at the moment, the only realistic defence by NATO would be a nuclear attack, to which Moscow would reply in kind,  that would probably render much of the northern hemisphere uninhabitable for a millenia or two.

If Russia attacked under a Clinton adminstration.....nukes.

If under Trump presidency, there were no nukes, the USSR re emerged, & the planet remained inhabitable.....I could live with that.



Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 07:26:53 PM

US Suspends Talks with Russia over Syria

The U.S. is suspending Syria cease-fire talks with Russia, citing Moscow's and Damascus' continued military attacks against civilian targets.

"This is not a decision that was taken lightly," U.S. State Department spokesman John Kirby said in a statement. Though Washington "spared no effort" in trying to implement the cessation of hostilities, Russia "failed to live up to its own commitments," Kirby said.

"(Russia) was also either unwilling or unable to ensure Syrian regime adherence to which Moscow had agreed," the statement said. "Rather, Russia and the Syrian regime have chosen to pursue a military course."

http://www.voanews.com/a/us-suspends-talks-with-russia-over-syria/3534970.html
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Alfie on October 03, 2016, 09:04:15 PM
If Russia attacked Europe at the moment, the only realistic defence by NATO would be a nuclear attack, to which Moscow would reply in kind,  that would probably render much of the northern hemisphere uninhabitable for a millenia or two.

If Russia attacked under a Clinton adminstration.....nukes.

If under Trump presidency, there were no nukes, the USSR re emerged, & the planet remained inhabitable.....I could live with that.
What you seem to be suggesting is that a Trump presidency would be best because it would allow Russian expansionism to happen unhindered.  The threat of nukes is one of the main things that prevents wars from occurring between super powers.   America and Russia on the same side is good news for Eastern Europe how exactly?
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 09:12:51 PM
What you seem to be suggesting is that a Trump presidency would be best because it would allow Russian expansionism to happen unhindered.  The threat of nukes is one of the main things that prevents wars from occurring between super powers.   America and Russia on the same side is good news for Eastern Europe how exactly?

No, what I suggested, is that it's more likely to avert nuclear war.

Which is good news for human existance. Eastern Europeans included.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 09:35:25 PM

Oil, Power and Money: “Assad Must Go”

That’s Been Washington's "Regime Change" Mantra from The Get Go.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/oil-power-and-money-assad-must-go/5548746
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Alfie on October 03, 2016, 09:48:18 PM
No, what I suggested, is that it's more likely to avert nuclear war.

Which is good news for human existance. Eastern Europeans included.
What makes you think Clinton would be insane enough to launch nuclear weapons at Russia?
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 10:05:13 PM
What makes you think Clinton would be insane enough to launch nuclear weapons at Russia?

She's more likely, based on her policies, to start a war with Russia.


Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 10:25:52 PM


Putin destroys BBC's John Simpson over NATO.

2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwWMaJJ_MSg
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Alfie on October 03, 2016, 10:47:05 PM
She's more likely, based on her policies, to start a war with Russia.
Oh really?  So you think it's likely that Hillary will send nukes to Moscow knowing that Washington will be nuked in return do you?
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 11:02:00 PM
Oh really?  So you think it's likely that Hillary will send nukes to Moscow knowing that Washington will be nuked in return do you?

No, I said.....She's more likely, based on her policies, to start a war with Russia.

Which she is.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 03, 2016, 11:18:16 PM
When you're involved in a discussion about World Wars I don't think it's too unreasonable to look at other world wars, dismissing my comment on the basis of Godwin's Law is a bit of a cop out.

 Now perhaps you can answer my question, or would you prefer to deflect again?

Your question was inflammatory and hardly anything to do with world wars except that you mentioned Hitler.
Next.

Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Alfie on October 03, 2016, 11:25:35 PM
No, I said.....She's more likely, based on her policies, to start a war with Russia.

Which she is.
And Trump is more likely than Hillary to avert a nuclear war which is what you said - how exactly?  Where is this threat of imminent nuclear war coming from that Trump is going to kindly avert for us?
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 03, 2016, 11:41:56 PM
And Trump is more likely than Hillary to avert a nuclear war which is what you said - how exactly?  Where is this threat of imminent nuclear war coming from that Trump is going to kindly avert for us?

By logical extension.

Vladamir Putin "has no soul" & is "The grandgodfather of extreme nationalism".

That's diplomacy Clinton style.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Alfie on October 03, 2016, 11:47:55 PM
By logical extension.

Vladamir Putin "has no soul" & is "The grandgodfather of extreme nationalism".

That's diplomacy Clinton style.
No, sorry I don't follow.  Putin will not launch nuclear weapons at any country or alliance of countries that has them and is prepared to use them back.  If however Putin is pulling the US president's strings (a president who doesn't believe in offering protection to countries without nukes) and is putting money in his purse, well then maybe that puts a different complexion on things....
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 04, 2016, 12:27:34 AM
No, sorry I don't follow.  Putin will not launch nuclear weapons at any country or alliance of countries that has them and is prepared to use them back.  If however Putin is pulling the US president's strings (a president who doesn't believe in offering protection to countries without nukes) and is putting money in his purse, well then maybe that puts a different complexion on things....

If the U.S attacks Assad or attempts to enforce a no fly zone in Syria, that will put them in direct conflict with Russia.

Regime change in Syria is the US Saudi & coallition objective & has been since 2009.  They are currently sulking & considering 'plan b' the non diplomatic solution, ending negotiations, whilst John Kirby threatens Russia with terrorist attacks on their own cities, downing their planes & sending their troops home in body bags, because Putin isn't letting them turn Syria into Iraq.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 04, 2016, 07:54:13 AM
If the U.S attacks Assad or attempts to enforce a no fly zone in Syria, that will put them in direct conflict with Russia.

Regime change in Syria is the US Saudi & coallition objective & has been since 2009.  They are currently sulking & considering 'plan b' the non diplomatic solution, ending negotiations, whilst John Kirby threatens Russia with terrorist attacks on their own cities, downing their planes & sending their troops home in body bags, because Putin isn't letting them turn Syria into Iraq.

Remember M.A.D. ?
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 04, 2016, 05:45:14 PM
Remember M.A.D. ?

Oh yes! I can spot several we could cast as Alfred E Neuman but who can we cast as Moxie?

Quid est? nolite me or quid me anxium  ?{)(** depending on whether the school you went to played cricket or conkers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snTaSJk0n_Y

Hillary in the Slim Pickens role but a pointing finger instead of waving the hat. (Scenes We Would Like To See) continuind the MAD theme.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 04, 2016, 06:01:52 PM
If the U.S attacks Assad or attempts to enforce a no fly zone in Syria, that will put them in direct conflict with Russia.

Regime change in Syria is the US Saudi & coallition objective & has been since 2009.  They are currently sulking & considering 'plan b' the non diplomatic solution, ending negotiations, whilst John Kirby threatens Russia with terrorist attacks on their own cities, downing their planes & sending their troops home in body bags, because Putin isn't letting them turn Syria into Iraq.

"Russia deployed a separate air defense system, the S-400, to Syria after a Russian jet was shot down by a Turkish warplane last November.  Since the S-400 deployment, the U.S. military has been careful about flying  manned aircraft inside the range of the system, despite repeated pledges by the US military that its airstrikes in Syria are focused on ISIS, not the Assad regime".

Days after Russian bombs started falling in Syria, President Obama predicted that Russia and Iran would find themselves mired in a “quagmire.”
" “An attempt by Russia and Iran to prop up Assad and try to pacify the population is just going to get them stuck in a quagmire. And it won’t work,” he told reporters in a White House press conference on Oct. 2, 2015.
On Friday, the one-year anniversary of the Russian strikes, the State Department acknowledged that Russia had succeeded in its goal of propping up the Assad regime".
[/b]

Isn't it odd how a legitimate government is referred to as a "regime" when the west don't like it?
Janet and John's guide to propaganda?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/10/04/russia-deploys-advanced-anti-missile-system-to-syria-for-first-time-us-officials-say.html




Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 04, 2016, 06:07:45 PM
"Russia deployed a separate air defense system, the S-400, to Syria after a Russian jet was shot down by a Turkish warplane last November.  Since the S-400 deployment, the U.S. military has been careful about flying  manned aircraft inside the range of the system, despite repeated pledges by the US military that its airstrikes in Syria are focused on ISIS, not the Assad regime".

Days after Russian bombs started falling in Syria, President Obama predicted that Russia and Iran would find themselves mired in a “quagmire.”
" “An attempt by Russia and Iran to prop up Assad and try to pacify the population is just going to get them stuck in a quagmire. And it won’t work,” he told reporters in a White House press conference on Oct. 2, 2015.
On Friday, the one-year anniversary of the Russian strikes, the State Department acknowledged that Russia had succeeded in its goal of propping up the Assad regime".
[/b]

Isn't it odd how a legitimate government is referred to as a "regime" when the west don't like it?
Janet and John's guide to propaganda?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/10/04/russia-deploys-advanced-anti-missile-system-to-syria-for-first-time-us-officials-say.html

What do you expect from either side ?

What we all should worry about is any politician or other a-hole who thinks they can win any war using atomic weapons.

A la Dr. Strangelove.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 04, 2016, 07:54:40 PM
What do you expect from either side ?

What we all should worry about is any politician or other a-hole who thinks they can win any war using atomic weapons.

A la Dr. Strangelove.

They will carry on fighting proxy wars as they have done since 1950. It's the only way to make a proper field test of some of the hardware. Never forget it is usually the Russians who put the wind up the Yanks not the other way around. The MiG15, Sputnik I, Yuri Gagarin and the MiG Foxbat for example.

Finding an idiot to want to drop nukes would perhaps not be difficult. Douglas MacArthur in the Korean "Police Action" for example.
Finding a politician to stop the idiot may not be so easy. Harry S Truman in the Korean "Police Action" for example.
Then on the other hand the politician may be that idiot doing it as a "Police Action".

"The spectre of nuclear weapons not stopping the Chinese was the chief fear that haunted the Americans at the time. For if atomic weapons were not seen as an effective deterrent, then they would lose their credibility as the threat that was supposed to stop the spread of Communism. Americans realized that for the atomic bomb to work, it was better that it not be used at all, except under the most dire circumstances. So they resigned themselves not only to the grinding stalemate that became the Korean War, but also to the larger Cold War".

"In other events, the Congress of the United States had not made a formal declaration of war, yet the President, as the commander-in-chief, has claimed authority to send in the armed forces when he deemed necessary, with or without the approval of Congress. The legal legitimacy of each of these actions was based upon declarations such as the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and Iraq Resolution by Congress and various United Nations resolutions. Nonetheless, Congressional approval has been asserted by means of funding appropriations or other authorizations as well as the contested War Powers Resolution".


Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 06, 2016, 06:00:39 PM

‘S-300, S-400 air defenses in place’: Russian MoD warns US-led coalition not to strike Syrian army.


Russia’s Defense Ministry has cautioned the US-led coalition of carrying out airstrikes on Syrian army positions, adding in Syria there are numerous S-300 and S-400 air defense systems up and running.

Russia currently has S-400 and S-300 air-defense systems deployed to protect its troops stationed at the Tartus naval supply base and the Khmeimim airbase. The radius of the weapons reach may be “a surprise” to all unidentified flying objects, Russian Defense Ministry spokesperson General Igor Konashenkov said.

According to the Russian Defense Ministry, any airstrike or missile hitting targets in territory controlled by the Syrian government would put Russian personnel in danger.

The defense official said that members of the Russian Reconciliation Center in Syria are working “on the ground” delivering aid and communicating with a large number of communities in Syria.

“Therefore, any missile or air strikes on the territory controlled by the Syrian government will create a clear threat to Russian servicemen.”

“Russian air defense system crews are unlikely to have time to determine in a ‘straight line’ the exact flight paths of missiles and then who the warheads belong to. And all the illusions of amateurs about the existence of ‘invisible’ jets will face a disappointing reality,”  Konashenkov added.

He also noted that Syria itself has S-200 as well as BUK systems, and their technical capabilities have been updated over the past year.

The Russian Defense Ministry’s statement came in response to what it called “leaks” in the Western media alleging that Washington is considering launching airstrikes against Syrian government forces.

“Of particular concern is information that the initiators of such provocations are representatives of the CIA and the Pentagon, who in September reported to the [US] President on the alleged controllability of ‘opposition’ fighters, but today are lobbying for ‘kinetic’ scenarios in Syria,” he said.

He cautioned Washington to conduct a “thorough calculation of the possible consequences of such plans.”

US-led coalition jets bombed positions of the Syrian government forces on September 17, resulting in the deaths of 83 servicemen. Washington said the airstrike was a mistake, however Damascus claimed the incident was a “blatant aggression.”

The relocation of the S-300 system in order to protect Russian ships and the naval base in Syria was confirmed by Russian defense officials on October 4. Konashenkov assured that the S-300 is a “purely defensive system and poses no threat.” Russia also has S-400 missile defense systems at Khmeimim base that were placed there after Turkey downed a Russian SU-24 jet in November of 2015.

https://www.rt.com/news/361800-russia-syria-usa-aistrikes/
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Alfie on October 06, 2016, 06:17:18 PM

‘S-300, S-400 air defenses in place’: Russian MoD warns US-led coalition not to strike Syrian army.


Russia’s Defense Ministry has cautioned the US-led coalition of carrying out airstrikes on Syrian army positions, adding in Syria there are numerous S-300 and S-400 air defense systems up and running.

Russia currently has S-400 and S-300 air-defense systems deployed to protect its troops stationed at the Tartus naval supply base and the Khmeimim airbase. The radius of the weapons reach may be “a surprise” to all unidentified flying objects, Russian Defense Ministry spokesperson General Igor Konashenkov said.

According to the Russian Defense Ministry, any airstrike or missile hitting targets in territory controlled by the Syrian government would put Russian personnel in danger.

The defense official said that members of the Russian Reconciliation Center in Syria are working “on the ground” delivering aid and communicating with a large number of communities in Syria.

“Therefore, any missile or air strikes on the territory controlled by the Syrian government will create a clear threat to Russian servicemen.”

“Russian air defense system crews are unlikely to have time to determine in a ‘straight line’ the exact flight paths of missiles and then who the warheads belong to. And all the illusions of amateurs about the existence of ‘invisible’ jets will face a disappointing reality,”  Konashenkov added.

He also noted that Syria itself has S-200 as well as BUK systems, and their technical capabilities have been updated over the past year.

The Russian Defense Ministry’s statement came in response to what it called “leaks” in the Western media alleging that Washington is considering launching airstrikes against Syrian government forces.

“Of particular concern is information that the initiators of such provocations are representatives of the CIA and the Pentagon, who in September reported to the [US] President on the alleged controllability of ‘opposition’ fighters, but today are lobbying for ‘kinetic’ scenarios in Syria,” he said.

He cautioned Washington to conduct a “thorough calculation of the possible consequences of such plans.”

US-led coalition jets bombed positions of the Syrian government forces on September 17, resulting in the deaths of 83 servicemen. Washington said the airstrike was a mistake, however Damascus claimed the incident was a “blatant aggression.”

The relocation of the S-300 system in order to protect Russian ships and the naval base in Syria was confirmed by Russian defense officials on October 4. Konashenkov assured that the S-300 is a “purely defensive system and poses no threat.” Russia also has S-400 missile defense systems at Khmeimim base that were placed there after Turkey downed a Russian SU-24 jet in November of 2015.

https://www.rt.com/news/361800-russia-syria-usa-aistrikes/
Russia Today, a new agency funded by the Russian Government.  How very impartial that must be... @)(++(*
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 06, 2016, 06:52:55 PM
Hilarious!


Here's that same story as told by western media outlets, for those here too inherently racist to read Russian media.


Russia warns it will shoot down alliance jets over Syria if US launches air strikes against Assad

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/russian-air-defence-missiles-would-respond-if-us-launches-air-st/


Russia strongly warns US against striking Syrian army

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3825456/Russia-strongly-warns-US-against-striking-Syrian-army.html
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 06, 2016, 06:56:29 PM
Russia Today, a new agency funded by the Russian Government.  How very impartial that must be... @)(++(*


A bit like The Washington Post and Daily Telegraph only spelt differently.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 06, 2016, 07:11:54 PM

Interesting times.

The US can either forget their crusade for regime change, or start the war.

There's been a lot invested (by the Saudis), in trying to oust Assad, they wont want to give up.

Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 06, 2016, 07:26:20 PM

Why US & Saudis say "Assad Must Go"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wghZxDnbFjI
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 07, 2016, 02:36:29 PM
Russian newspaper warns 'risky game' Putin is playing in Syria could start Third World War

Conflict could spark 'direct military confrontation' with US, popular Russian tabloid suggests.

(https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/10/07/08/getty-putin-obama.jpg)

A Russian newspaper has warned that Russian President Vladmir Putin is playing an "astonishingly risky game" in the Syrian conflict that could even lead to a Third World War.

Popular tabloid, Moskovsky Komsomolets, ran an article that suggested hostilities in Syria could spark a “direct military confrontation" between the nations of a similar scale to the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.

The warning comes after the US broke off talks and recalled its negotiators from Geneva. Meanwhile, Russia has suspended an agreement to destroy its weapons grade plutonium. Among the conditions it said were needed to continue the accord was an end to Ukraine-related sanctions.

In an article with the headline, "The stakes are higher than Syria,” the privately-owned tabloid, which has been criticised for sometimes sensational content, warned war could break out.

“Just imagine that the US does what it has wanted to do for a long time and strike against Assad, not by mistake but on purpose and openly,” the article stated, via translation by The Sun.

“Should Russia defend its ally or consider striking against the Americans, but this would definitely lead to a Third World War.

“Russia can win big in Syria but it can also lose big too. We must not forget that in Syria we are playing an astonishingly risky game.”

“According to our fighter pilots, the best we could do is shoot down a few coalition forces but this would mean a full-scale war,” it added.

Moskovsky Komsomolets has a circulation of almost one million, making it one of the most highly read newpapers in Russia.

Speaking about the disintegrating relations between the two countries, the head of the Russian International Affairs Council, Andrey Kortunov, told the BBC: "We had bad relations during the Cold War, but [...] the relationship was more or less stable, because we knew what to expect from each other, we knew the rules of the game.

"Today we don't have anything like that. So relations aren't stable. This is what makes this relationship dangerous."

Yet Leonid Radzikhovsky, a leading political analyst, told the broadcaster Russia would not risk a major war: "Putin is a megalomaniac [...] But he's not the kind of person to open a window on the 18th floor, declare 'I can fly' and jump out.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-nuclear-war-us-syria-warning-world-war-3-moskovsky-komsomolets-a7349686.html
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: John on October 07, 2016, 11:33:43 PM
It will only take one little mistake by a US pilot to set off a chain reaction which could see all out war with Russia.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 08, 2016, 08:29:07 AM

US accuses Russia of cyber attacks


US officials have formally accused Russia of cyber attacks against political organisations in order "to interfere with the US election".

Recent hacked emails are "consistent with the methods and motivation of Russia-directed efforts", the Department of Homeland Security said.

Data revealing discussions within the Democratic Party was hacked earlier this year.

Some states reported "probing" attempts made on "election-related" systems.

However, officials said those attempts could not be directly linked to the Russian government.

Russian officials told Interfax news agency the claims it was involved in the cyber attacks were "nonsense".

But a joint statement from the Department of Homeland Security and the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security said high-ranking officials at the Kremlin were almost certainly involved in the successful attacks.

"We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities," they said.

However, altering any actual ballots or election results would be "extremely difficult", they added, because of a decentralised system and multiple checks and balances.

A number of embarrassing emails have come to light during the 2016 election campaign.

In July, a hacker calling himself Guccifer 2.0 claimed responsibility for the release of documents from the Democratic Party.

Gigabytes of files including emails and other documents that revealed the inner workings of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) were taken.

At an early stage, many US officials linked the breach to Russia. At the time, Moscow denied any involvement and denounced the "poisonous anti-Russian" rhetoric from Washington.

The leaked emails appeared to show that Democratic Party officials were biased against Bernie Sanders in his primary race against Mrs Clinton.

The hack led to the resignation of the party chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz and sparked protests at the national convention in Philadelphia.

Adam Schiff, a senior member of the House of Representatives Intelligence Committee, said he applauded the decision to publicly name Russia as the culprit.

"All of us should be gravely concerned when a foreign power like Russia seeks to undermine our democratic institutions," he said.

He called for co-operation with "our European allies" to develop a response.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37592684
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 08, 2016, 08:35:29 AM


Interestingly, the harbinger of world peace that is Hillary Clinton has previously said......

"As President, I will make it clear that the United States will treat cyberattacks just like any other attack. We will be ready with serious political, economic, and military responses"

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/clinton-us-should-use-military-response-fight-cyberattacks-russia-china-1579187
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 08, 2016, 10:12:02 AM
It will only take one little mistake by a US pilot to set off a chain reaction which could see all out war with Russia.

Maybe not. Gary Powers only stopped a conference.
Right enough he didn't shoot at anything just invaded their airspace and was shot down for his transgression.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 08, 2016, 10:17:08 AM

Interestingly, the harbinger of world peace that is Hillary Clinton has previously said......

"As President, I will make it clear that the United States will treat cyberattacks just like any other attack. We will be ready with serious political, economic, and military responses"

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/clinton-us-should-use-military-response-fight-cyberattacks-russia-china-1579187

Like anchoring up a destroyer in the Humber Estuary and popping off a Tomahawk missile at some kid's bedroom in Hull?
They'd do better hiring the English kids to make their [The Septics]  systems hacker proof. Poachers and gamekeepers and all that.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 10, 2016, 08:11:19 AM


Hitler-y Clinton, again, attacked Russia, Putin & Assad during the 2nd presidential debate.

She repeated the Assad must go mantra, claimed that she would & has been fighting ISIS..... (  @)(++(* I know right, the same Saudi supported ISIS whom she's in bed with) & said she'd enforce a no fly zone in Alleppo.

This would of course bring direct confrontation with Russia.......Genius!

Trump, on the other hand, suggested fighting with Russia & Assad against the 'head chopping, drown people in cages' ISIS & not turning Syria into Libya.

Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 11, 2016, 01:04:52 PM

US missile defense in Europe directly threatens Russia – Chinese military

US antimissile shield in Europe directly threats Russia, a senior-ranking Chinese general said as cited by RIA Novosti. He added that US actions across the globe disrupt the balance of regional power and provoke regional instability.

“The US did not provide legally-binding guarantees that the missile defense system they are deploying in Europe would not be aimed against Russia. But at the same time it poses a real and direct threat to the Russian security,” Maj. Gen. Cai Jun, the vice head of the Central Military Commission Joint Staff Department's warfare bureau, said in a speech at the Xiangshan international security forum in Beijing.

The assessment is similar to that of the Russian military, which insists that the American antimissile shield in Europe compromises Russia’s security and needs to be countered with better ballistic missiles and capabilities to destroy antimissile sites, should the need arise.

“China and Russia have similar positions about strategic antiballistic missile systems and oppose attempts by any nation or group of nations to create such systems unilaterally at the expense of strategic international security,” the general said.

Speaking alongside the Chinese official, Russian Lt. Gen. Viktor Poznikhir said that US duplicity over the antimissile shield is highlighted by the fact that the project continues despite a nuclear deal with Iran, which Washington claimed to be the main target for the European system.

The Russian official added that in addition to undermining Russian and Chinese nuclear deterrence, the US system poses a potential threat to any nation pursuing space exploration.

The system’s “anti-satellite capability is one of the reasons why the US rejects any treaties on banning weapons in space,” Poznikhir said. “The actions of the US do not give credibility to their statements that Russian and Chinese missiles and satellites are not considered targets for their antimissile systems.”

Gen. Poznikhir said Russia and China are forced to respond to these threats and preserve the strategic balance of power.

The 7th Xiangshan Forum is co-hosted by the Chinese Association for Military Science and the China Institute for International Strategic Studies and runs from Monday to Wednesday. Some 350 foreign officials and experts from 64 countries are visiting the event, according to organizers.

https://www.rt.com/news/362323-us-shield-europe-china/
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 11, 2016, 01:35:28 PM

US accuses Russia of cyber attacks


US officials have formally accused Russia of cyber attacks against political organisations in order "to interfere with the US election".

Recent hacked emails are "consistent with the methods and motivation of Russia-directed efforts", the Department of Homeland Security said.

Data revealing discussions within the Democratic Party was hacked earlier this year.

Some states reported "probing" attempts made on "election-related" systems.

However, officials said those attempts could not be directly linked to the Russian government.

Russian officials told Interfax news agency the claims it was involved in the cyber attacks were "nonsense".

But a joint statement from the Department of Homeland Security and the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security said high-ranking officials at the Kremlin were almost certainly involved in the successful attacks.

"We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities," they said.

However, altering any actual ballots or election results would be "extremely difficult", they added, because of a decentralised system and multiple checks and balances.

A number of embarrassing emails have come to light during the 2016 election campaign.

In July, a hacker calling himself Guccifer 2.0 claimed responsibility for the release of documents from the Democratic Party.

Gigabytes of files including emails and other documents that revealed the inner workings of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) were taken.

At an early stage, many US officials linked the breach to Russia. At the time, Moscow denied any involvement and denounced the "poisonous anti-Russian" rhetoric from Washington.

The leaked emails appeared to show that Democratic Party officials were biased against Bernie Sanders in his primary race against Mrs Clinton.

The hack led to the resignation of the party chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz and sparked protests at the national convention in Philadelphia.

Adam Schiff, a senior member of the House of Representatives Intelligence Committee, said he applauded the decision to publicly name Russia as the culprit.

"All of us should be gravely concerned when a foreign power like Russia seeks to undermine our democratic institutions," he said.

He called for co-operation with "our European allies" to develop a response.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37592684

How naive.

America, Russia, China, et al, are all at it.
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 11, 2016, 09:21:11 PM

‘How many Muslim countries has Obama bombed?' Oliver Stone slams US ‘world domination’ drive.

Film director Oliver Stone said that the presidency of Barack Obama is no more benign than that of George W. Bush, as he entered the European leg of his tour to promote ‘Snowden’, his film that lionizes the NSA whistleblower.

"Obama is just as tough as George W. Bush. He's doubled down on the surveillance state. It's bigger and stronger than ever," 70-year-old Stone told AFP in Paris. "The moment he got into office he turned into a better form of Bush, a more efficient commander but basically believing the same old story that we are under attack every day and all day."

Stone said that Obama promised to reverse the culture of unregulated abuse – marked by extraordinary rendition and Guantanamo during the previous administration – but instead made the violations more widespread and sophisticated, thanks to technology.

The director, best-known for the films ‘JFK’, ‘Wall Street’, and ‘Platoon’, said that Obama has less respect for free speech and tolerance of criticism than his predecessor, who Stone said was “sincere” but misguided.

“Obama has oppressed journalists to the greatest degree yet in American history. He has pursued cases against eight whistleblowers. He has done more to damage truth-telling than even George W. Bush, who lied all the time,” Stone told Amnesty International in a separate interview, posted online on Tuesday.

Stone said Obama’s motivation was to ensure that the United States continued to “dominate the world.”

"That desire to control the world is very dangerous," Stone told AFP. "There is no historical record of one empire that can do that successfully... the British Empire tried but that ultimately led to massive wars. The same is resulting from the US desire for tyranny."

"How many wars is America in informally without consent? How many Muslim countries has Obama bombed? How many drone strikes have we used, killing how many people?" the three-time Oscar-winning director went on, in reference to continued US involvement in Libya, Syria and Iraq.

Stone said that the determination to highlight the scope of disregard for established human rights lay behind his desire to film ‘Snowden’, which has made a modest $20 million at the box office since its release in key markets last month.

"I don't think the general public has yet understood the Snowden revelations, I really don't," said Stone, calling the US public at large “dumb and apathetic.”

"US people should be worried about mass surveillance, drone warfare and cyber warfare, which are the issues Snowden presented," the filmmaker added.

Stone reiterated his plea for an official pardon for Edward Snowden, whom he met nine times in Russia. The 33-year-old former NSA worker remains at an undisclosed location within the country, which offered him refuge following his leaks in 2013. Snowden continues to face charges in the US that could see him spend up to 30 years in jail, if found guilty of theft of government property, and revelation of government secrets to outsiders.

“A pardon for Snowden would be the merciful thing to do, the last measure of grace for Obama, who I think is a decent individual, but has been brainwashed by the national security complex,” said Stone.

https://www.rt.com/usa/362409-stone-snowden-bush-obama/
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Angelo222 on October 15, 2016, 12:18:25 PM
Owning the oil reserves or at least owning the governments which own them is the key to world domination thus why both the US and Russia are so concerned with the Middle East.  Human lives don't matter as long as the gas guzzlers keep moving along route 66.  The American dream is the Arab's nightmare!!
Title: Re: Is war with Russia an ever increasing reality?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 23, 2016, 03:56:18 PM
Owning the oil reserves or at least owning the governments which own them is the key to world domination thus why both the US and Russia are so concerned with the Middle East.  Human lives don't matter as long as the gas guzzlers keep moving along route 66.  The American dream is the Arab's nightmare!!

War?  all the Russians have to do is turn off the gas taps. The mericans tried to interfere with EU referendum with Obama threatening all sorts.. hotair...