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Title: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 08, 2016, 08:56:54 AM
The Real Hillary Clinton...a champion of women?

Hillary - the women's rights champion - defended a child molester who raped a 12-year-old girl, then laughed about knowing he was guilty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcqh0gRy-og

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Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 08, 2016, 04:59:47 PM


"My own reaction was of regret that, when I terminated her employment on the Nixon impeachment staff, I had not reported her unethical practices to the appropriate bar associations".

http://warisacrime.org/node/31689
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 23, 2016, 04:34:25 PM
The Real Hillary Clinton...a champion of women?

Hillary - the women's rights champion - defended a child molester who raped a 12-year-old girl, then laughed about knowing he was guilty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcqh0gRy-og

yeah she is one evil B..
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 23, 2016, 05:45:10 PM
yeah she is one evil B..

Just as bad as Trump.
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 23, 2016, 06:07:14 PM
Just as bad as Trump.


Out of the two monsters Trump is less scary!
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 23, 2016, 06:17:34 PM

Out of the two monsters Trump is less scary!


They are as both as bad as each other.
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: mercury on October 24, 2016, 04:40:36 AM
The Real Hillary Clinton...a champion of women?

Hillary - the women's rights champion - defended a child molester who raped a 12-year-old girl, then laughed about knowing he was guilty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcqh0gRy-og

Her two comments prove she didnt believe him not that she supported him
Why she defended him is another question
when youre a defence lawyer knowing someone is guilty it sucks

Hmmmmmmm

on balance she shouldnt have taken the case
Thats why its always better to be a prosecution lawyer
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on October 24, 2016, 03:23:47 PM
This thread betrays a misunderstand by some posters of the role of a lawyer in defending an accused person.   in order to have justice it is essential that the accused is entitled to competent defense.  It is down to the prosecution to make their case, and the defense to make theirs. 

In this case it would appear that the prosecution failed. 

It is I know tempting to pillory the defense lawyer for defending 'a monster' .  But it is simply not their role to pass judgement.  A lawyer may suspect that their client is guilty but it is still their role to defend to the best of their ability.  A public defenders office cannot refuse to defend. 

If the accused confesses to the lawyer then it is different - in the case the lawyer will plead in mitigation.

 
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 26, 2016, 07:18:49 PM
This thread betrays a misunderstand by some posters of the role of a lawyer in defending an accused person.   in order to have justice it is essential that the accused is entitled to competent defense.  It is down to the prosecution to make their case, and the defense to make theirs. 

In this case it would appear that the prosecution failed. 

It is I know tempting to pillory the defense lawyer for defending 'a monster' .  But it is simply not their role to pass judgement.  A lawyer may suspect that their client is guilty but it is still their role to defend to the best of their ability.  A public defenders office cannot refuse to defend. 

If the accused confesses to the lawyer then it is different - in the case the lawyer will plead in mitigation.

I don't agree with you on this JP.

SHE defended a child molester who raped a 12-year-old girl, then laughed about IT. She degraded and humiliated that 12 year old girl on the stand, and was so proud of that fact she laughed and bragged about it. One in the eye for the prosecution is at best insensitive at worst borderline brutal bullying by adults on a defenceless,vulnerable child. I would go as far as to say that the child was also raped of her dignity by that gutless wonder Mrs President.
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Carana on October 29, 2016, 09:24:05 AM
I don't agree with you on this JP.

SHE defended a child molester who raped a 12-year-old girl, then laughed about IT. She degraded and humiliated that 12 year old girl on the stand, and was so proud of that fact she laughed and bragged about it. One in the eye for the prosecution is at best insensitive at worst borderline brutal bullying by adults on a defenceless,vulnerable child. I would go as far as to say that the child was also raped of her dignity by that gutless wonder Mrs President.

I have every sympathy for the girl and the ordeal she went through: first the rape, and then the inevitable gruelling by the defence.

However, Politifact fact-checked Trump's claim that Hillary was laughing at the girl. There IS an audio recording which is what Trump was basing his allegation on (and which I've just listened to) of her laughing during an interview with a journalist several years after the case was over (at least eight years later), however, she wasn't laughing at the girl - she was laughing at the prosecution and the judge.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/10/donald-trump/trump-says-clinton-laughed-about-rape-case/

I haven't read her book "Living History", but apparently she states that the trial inspired her to get a rape hotline set up in the place where this occurred.

Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: John on October 29, 2016, 08:56:57 PM
Any lawyer who knowingly represents a guilty party should be struck off IMHO.
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 29, 2016, 09:12:22 PM
Any lawyer who knowingly represents a guilty party should be struck off IMHO.

Jean Pierre gave a good answer to that one. some time ago on another thread.

Besides, if that happened, most defense Barristers or the equivalent, wouldn't be working.
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: John on October 29, 2016, 09:38:57 PM
Jean Pierre gave a good answer to that one. some time ago on another thread.

Besides, if that happened, most defense Barristers or the equivalent, wouldn't be working.

Can't see the logic in your post unless you think everyone is guilty and their lawyers know it?  Clinton clearly knew her client was a rapist but went out of her way to defend him.  What does that say about her moral standing?
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 29, 2016, 10:11:40 PM
Can't see the logic in your post unless you think everyone is guilty and their lawyers know it?  Clinton clearly knew her client was a rapist but went out of her way to defend him.  What does that say about her moral standing?

Do you really seriously believe most Barristers or other defense council aren't aware of their clients guilt or innocence ?

Pull the other one.
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Alfie on October 30, 2016, 12:31:14 AM
Any lawyer who knowingly represents a guilty party should be struck off IMHO.
What a completely stupid comment.  Everyone is entitled to be defended in a court of law even the seemingly blatantly guilty, or do you think we should dispense with the judicial process in such cases?  Is this really a forum dedcated to fighting miscarriages of justice, or one that supports kangaroo courts and the ducking stool instead?  Utterly ridiculous.

Hopefully that comment will earn me a ban from this pathetic joke of a forum.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 30, 2016, 11:37:30 AM
Do you really seriously believe most Barristers or other defense council aren't aware of their clients guilt or innocence ?

Pull the other one.

The point you are missing everyine is: She KNEW her client was guilty she could have advised him to plead guilty, or proved him innocent which she couldn't do. So for one upmanship she turned a little girl of 12 into a willing participant, humiliating her and rejoicing when she 'won' her guilty clients freedom, destroyed a childs life! You serioulsy think this woman is fit to claim she is for womens rights?  like seriously? AND we can't be sure about her coverups of her husbands 'womanising'. I certainly question that. She doesn't care who she tramples on as lomng as she gets things done her way!
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Carana on October 30, 2016, 12:19:25 PM
The point you are missing everyine is: She KNEW her client was guilty she could have advised him to plead guilty, or proved him innocent which she couldn't do. So for one upmanship she turned a little girl of 12 into a willing participant, humiliating her and rejoicing when she 'won' her guilty clients freedom, destroyed a childs life! You serioulsy think this woman is fit to claim she is for womens rights?  like seriously? AND we can't be sure about her coverups of her husbands 'womanising'. I certainly question that. She doesn't care who she tramples on as lomng as she gets things done her way!

I think it might be worthwhile re-reading JP's comment on this.

Everyone in a democratic judicial system has a right to a fair trial.

Without a fair and adequate defence, we'd be back to the Middle Ages.

From what I've been able to find, she didn't KNOW (in the sense of having clear proof) that he was guilty as charged. She SUSPECTED that he was.

She said that he denied it. (Some people do falsely accuse others of crimes that they hadn't, in fact, committed, either because it never happened, or because the victim was mistaken in the identity of the perp.)

In view of his denial, and despite her suspicions, the only recourse open was to pursue the line of defence that he was innocent, and that means questioning whether the girl's account was beyond doubt.

The other line of defence was to have a second opinion on the underpants. If the result of a second opinion requested by the defence was that whatever had been found clearly corroborated the result found by the prosecution's analysis, then the defence lawyer can present the results to the client and go from there. As in "Anything you want to tell me about this?"

If the defence results had shown that the defendant couldn't have been the person in question, then the prosecution fails, obviously, and the prosecution would need to keep searching for a different perp, or indeed question whether the alleged victim had been telling the truth.

The other option, if the perp finally admits that he / she was indeed guilty, is to admit to the crime committed, but present potentially mitigating circumstances: diminished responsibility at the time of the events, proof of heartfelt remorse, abusive childhood, or whatever.

One of the problems in this case is that the forensic lab (whose service had been requested by the prosecution)had discarded / thrown away / couldn't find the crucial part of the underpants that could have been retested for a second opinion.
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Carana on October 30, 2016, 12:28:28 PM
Any lawyer who knowingly represents a guilty party should be struck off IMHO.

I'm not sure what you mean by that.
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 30, 2016, 12:39:32 PM
The point you are missing everyine is: She KNEW her client was guilty she could have advised him to plead guilty, or proved him innocent which she couldn't do. So for one upmanship she turned a little girl of 12 into a willing participant, humiliating her and rejoicing when she 'won' her guilty clients freedom, destroyed a childs life! You serioulsy think this woman is fit to claim she is for womens rights?  like seriously? AND we can't be sure about her coverups of her husbands 'womanising'. I certainly question that. She doesn't care who she tramples on as lomng as she gets things done her way!

You are allowing your hatred for Clinton to cloud your judgement

I can't stand her, but she did what other lawyers would have done, and don't deceive yourself otherwise.

Meanwhile , how do you view Trump's indictment for the rape of a 13 y.o. girl ?
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Carana on October 30, 2016, 12:44:16 PM
Not everyone suspected of having done something reprehensible is necessarily the guilty party. There can sometimes be a mistake over identity, for example.

What are your thoughts on this, Miss Taken Identity?


Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 30, 2016, 01:00:41 PM
I think it might be worthwhile re-reading JP's comment on this.

Everyone in a democratic judicial system has a right to a fair trial.

Without a fair and adequate defence, we'd be back to the Middle Ages.

From what I've been able to find, she didn't KNOW (in the sense of having clear proof) that he was guilty as charged. She SUSPECTED that he was.

She said that he denied it. (Some people do falsely accuse others of crimes that they hadn't, in fact, committed, either because it never happened, or because the victim was mistaken in the identity of the perp.)

In view of his denial, and despite her suspicions, the only recourse open was to pursue the line of defence that he was innocent, and that means questioning whether the girl's account was beyond doubt.

The other line of defence was to have a second opinion on the underpants. If the result of a second opinion requested by the defence was that whatever had been found clearly corroborated the result found by the prosecution's analysis, then the defence lawyer can present the results to the client and go from there. As in "Anything you want to tell me about this?"

If the defence results had shown that the defendant couldn't have been the person in question, then the prosecution fails, obviously, and the prosecution would need to keep searching for a different perp, or indeed question whether the alleged victim had been telling the truth.

The other option, if the perp finally admits that he / she was indeed guilty, is to admit to the crime committed, but present potentially mitigating circumstances: diminished responsibility at the time of the events, proof of heartfelt remorse, abusive childhood, or whatever.

One of the problems in this case is that the forensic lab (whose service had been requested by the prosecution)had discarded / thrown away / couldn't find the crucial part of the underpants that could have been retested for a second opinion.

Everyone in a democratic judicial system has a right to a fair trial.

Without a fair and adequate defence, we'd be back to the Middle Ages.

We already are back there and have been for many a millenium with regards to the rights of victims who seem to have no rights not even to the courtisey of dignity, at the expense of the defendant.

Suspecting he was guilty is a play on words; IF he was innocent it would  an open and shut case and IF she was a great lawyer as she was gagging to prove herself- she would have got him off.


and that means questioning whether the girl's account was beyond doubt.

So, pray tell what was his defence? ( the one where the defendant didn't need to prove beyond doubt) she was begging for it? she threw herself at me? she was teasing me knowing I would take her? We were secret lovers and she was a wiling participant?

Joy, joy oh what joy He got off. let's all laugh ,smirk, giggle

Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Carana on October 30, 2016, 01:11:00 PM
Everyone in a democratic judicial system has a right to a fair trial.

Without a fair and adequate defence, we'd be back to the Middle Ages.

We already are back there and have been for many a millenium with regards to the rights of victims who seem to have no rights not even to the courtisey of dignity, at the expense of the defendant.

Suspecting he was guilty is a play on words; IF he was innocent it would  an open and shut case and IF she was a great lawyer as she was gagging to prove herself- she would have got him off.


and that means questioning whether the girl's account was beyond doubt.

So, pray tell what was his defence? ( the one where the defendant didn't need to prove beyond doubt) she was begging for it? she threw herself at me? she was teasing me knowing I would take her? We were secret lovers and she was a wiling participant?

Joy, joy oh what joy He got off. let's all laugh ,smirk, giggle

He got a 1-year sentence. If the forensic lab hadn't lost the forensic evidence, perhaps he'd still be in jail.
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Carana on October 30, 2016, 01:14:15 PM
I don't understand. Are you saying that people SHOULDN'T have the right to a fair trial?
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 30, 2016, 01:15:58 PM
He got a 1-year sentence. If the forensic lab hadn't lost the forensic evidence, perhaps he'd still be in jail.

Having sex with a minor.  1 year.  hmm
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Carana on October 30, 2016, 01:20:53 PM
Having sex with a minor.  1 year.  hmm

That's not the issue. This wasn't consensual sex between teenagers. But the prosecution somehow lost the forensic evidence.

The chain of evidence is important.
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 30, 2016, 01:26:34 PM
You are allowing your hatred for Clinton to cloud your judgement

I can't stand her, but she did what other lawyers would have done, and don't deceive yourself otherwise.

Meanwhile , how do you view Trump's indictment for the rape of a 13 y.o. girl ?
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I am not deceiving myself at all, I am forcing the issue of someone who has close links to the law makers, a Lawyer claiming to be a hero for the women who quite blatanlty is self serving in her claims. Do many lawyers rejoice and brag they got a rapist off? I just wonder if it were her own 12 year old daughter if she would have gone at her with the same indefference? Hmm no didn't think so.

how do you view Trump's indictment for the rape of a 13 y.o. girl ?

I am surprised you ask me to comment as you, with others are quite adamant that the law should prevail, so even if he is guilty then so what? He  sould be defended or we go back to middle ages... Maybe the girl is lying, maybe it is a case of mistaken identity like Carana said... who knows?

Now if  you change that question to: what do you think about his sentence after a 13 yearold was grilled, knowing he was guilty his lawyer got him off with it and he is rejoycing. The I would reply with he self same reply to what Clinton did. BUt then you and Carana would tell me I was wrong so...
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Carana on October 30, 2016, 01:33:19 PM
There are many victims of abuse as children, adolescents or even adults who shy away from public scrutiny at the prospect of a trial. It's a hard decision to take.

Not everyone can bring a cast-iron proof case against their abusers.

Nor, presumably, is every victim willing to have their entire past history scrutinised. Not even by journalists bound by court-room ethics, let alone by social media.
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 30, 2016, 02:10:04 PM
I don't understand. Are you saying that people SHOULDN'T have the right to a fair trial?

we both have differing views on what a fair trial is, and the duties and responsibilities are.

As far as I am aware a child of 12 was raped, she accuses the man, The lawyer,claiming to be a great president candidate and hero of womens rights- berates a child knowing full well the child has been violated and then is joyous at getting her client off because she used the childs psychological trauma as her defence and NOT proving his innocence by other means. That is not justice and those who live by that  are in denial of the true meaning of a fair trial.
Next we will hear  prostitues deserved to be raped... OR women with short skirts deserve to be groped by any passing male.
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 30, 2016, 02:14:34 PM
That's not the issue. This wasn't consensual sex between teenagers. But the prosecution somehow lost the forensic evidence.

The chain of evidence is important.

Indeed it is.  The child was raped and subjected to a second humiliation by Mrs President.
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 30, 2016, 02:40:06 PM
You are allowing your hatred for Clinton to cloud your judgement

I can't stand her, but she did what other lawyers would have done, and don't deceive yourself otherwise.

Meanwhile , how do you view Trump's indictment for the rape of a 13 y.o. girl ?
[/quote

I am not deceiving myself at all, I am forcing the issue of someone who has close links to the law makers, a Lawyer claiming to be a hero for the women who quite blatanlty is self serving in her claims. Do many lawyers rejoice and brag they got a rapist off? I just wonder if it were her own 12 year old daughter if she would have gone at her with the same indefference? Hmm no didn't think so.

how do you view Trump's indictment for the rape of a 13 y.o. girl ?

I am surprised you ask me to comment as you, with others are quite adamant that the law should prevail, so even if he is guilty then so what? He  sould be defended or we go back to middle ages... Maybe the girl is lying, maybe it is a case of mistaken identity like Carana said... who knows?

Now if  you change that question to: what do you think about his sentence after a 13 yearold was grilled, knowing he was guilty his lawyer got him off with it and he is rejoycing. The I would reply with he self same reply to what Clinton did. BUt then you and Carana would tell me I was wrong so...




My point is evidently obvious.

Neither should be up as candidates for a presidential election.

Don't you agree ?
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 30, 2016, 03:02:06 PM



My point is evidently obvious.

Neither should be up as candidates for a presidential election.

Don't you agree ?


Yes Stephen I absolutely agree. I have always said from the start. Neither are fit and proper people to do the job.

But I was asked who was the worst.. so I gave an honest answer to that .
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: mercury on November 04, 2016, 02:58:48 AM
Well i say usa gets what it deserves after they had a fine president inobama on so many fronts and congress rejected and stopped so much from him

do they understand the meaning of digging your own grave? Obviously not



Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on November 04, 2016, 10:46:43 AM
Well i say usa gets what it deserves after they had a fine president inobama on so many fronts and congress rejected and stopped so much from him

do they understand the meaning of digging your own grave? Obviously not

They will soon.
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: mercury on November 05, 2016, 12:03:56 AM
They will soon.

He wont win imo

HC might be establishment but known warts and all and people can hope for improvements and some stablity
A vote for Trump will be a total gamble, who is going to walk off the cliff with no guarantees?
It might turn out like brexit ie no one thought it possible but lets pray lol
The gift is the last establishment president having to prove something to dispel outside horses in future, and if they fail, then you cant blame the next election

There is no doubt the world needs a massive change....but we dont need cowboys  go implement it

Having said that i was a bit disturbed go read somewhere tonight that clinton was exposed via wikileaks as unleashing al queada into syria...which is said is present day isis....cant stomach that if true of ANY world politician/leader, no sereee as the yanks say
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on November 05, 2016, 02:48:32 AM
He wont win imo

HC might be establishment but known warts and all and people can hope for improvements and some stablity
A vote for Trump will be a total gamble, who is going to walk off the cliff with no guarantees?
It might turn out like brexit ie no one thought it possible but lets pray lol
The gift is the last establishment president having to prove something to dispel outside horses in future, and if they fail, then you cant blame the next election

There is no doubt the world needs a massive change....but we dont need cowboys  go implement it

Having said that i was a bit disturbed go read somewhere tonight that clinton was exposed via wikileaks as unleashing al queada into syria...which is said is present day isis....cant stomach that if true of ANY world politician/leader, no sereee as the yanks say

I hear what yiu say.  But he might just win and then the whole world is in the SH 1T for four years.  Never underestimate the human capacity for stupidity - e.g. Brexit.
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Angelo222 on November 05, 2016, 01:07:44 PM
Well i say usa gets what it deserves after they had a fine president inobama on so many fronts and congress rejected and stopped so much from him

do they understand the meaning of digging your own grave? Obviously not

What is happening in America is a precursor to yet another world war.  These events come in cycles and have been repeated since the fall of the Roman empire. Both previous world wars have followed the same trend so beware, the signs are all there again!

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/532299/World-War-3-Russia-NATO-Vladimir-Putin-Baltic-Poland-Invasion-Atlantic-Council-Warning

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2070034/could-world-war-3-actually-happen-how-nuclear-weapons-and-biological-warfare-could-lead-to-the-apocalypse/

www.morningledger.com/world-war-3-russia-attack-britain/13117615/
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 05, 2016, 06:34:15 PM
What is happening in America is a precursor to yet another world war.  These events come in cycles and have been repeated since the fall of the Roman empire. Both previous world wars have followed the same trend so beware, the signs are all there again!

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/532299/World-War-3-Russia-NATO-Vladimir-Putin-Baltic-Poland-Invasion-Atlantic-Council-Warning

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2070034/could-world-war-3-actually-happen-how-nuclear-weapons-and-biological-warfare-could-lead-to-the-apocalypse/

www.morningledger.com/world-war-3-russia-attack-britain/13117615/

The trouble is the USA and Russia have been "at it" for so long they seem to have lost sight of the fact that a little bit of give on both sides could stitch things up a treat.
Maybe The Donald has seen that ?
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: stephen25000 on November 06, 2016, 11:04:19 AM
It was interesting to watch loopy Trump run away from what was claimed by his son to be an assassination attempt, and was merely a republican protester, protesting against a trump.
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: mercury on November 06, 2016, 10:23:18 PM
What is happening in America is a precursor to yet another world war.  These events come in cycles and have been repeated since the fall of the Roman empire. Both previous world wars have followed the same trend so beware, the signs are all there again!

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/532299/World-War-3-Russia-NATO-Vladimir-Putin-Baltic-Poland-Invasion-Atlantic-Council-Warning

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2070034/could-world-war-3-actually-happen-how-nuclear-weapons-and-biological-warfare-could-lead-to-the-apocalypse/

www.morningledger.com/world-war-3-russia-attack-britain/13117615/

Angelo the first two world wars were started in europe and if theres a third then that will be too imo
Teresa may is condoning the right wing press rabble and hate rousing and pouring fuel onto the fire of naziism...shes out of order not condeming it all

She wont last too long is my guess
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: stephen25000 on November 07, 2016, 01:34:58 PM
Well, just a few hours to go and this will be decided.

I have a bad feeling if Trump loses, he will inspire his followers to commit acts of rebellion and/or violent protest. I hope I am wrong.

As to the e-mail saga, the only e-mails of relevance were Clintons. I don't trust her, but the remaining e-mails were of no relevance whatsoever, no matter what Trump 'thinks'.
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: mercury on November 08, 2016, 08:32:02 PM
Thank god for that, everyones sick of the daily coverage for so long,I never understood why they have to campaign for a whole year or so, but I guess if usa president is really leader of the world its important
Obama has endorsed Clinton
The cultural and other speakers of all sizes and hues and ages and have
Trumps supporters fail by comparison
I dont like to tempt fate, but I think we all know what the result will be

(So dont fret  JP)

Ps just by coincidence tte 11th hour the daily mail post a story about a treasure find from some boot sale or something of photos of Trump in his youth, lying on the bed in his bathrobe and cuddling his babies

Hmmm,must meanhe will be a lovely president

 @)(++(*


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3913524/The-extraordinary-intimate-Trump-family-photos-THRIFT-SHOP-showing-Donald-s-softer-side.html

Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 09, 2016, 10:52:49 PM
He wont win imo

HC might be establishment but known warts and all and people can hope for improvements and some stablity
A vote for Trump will be a total gamble, who is going to walk off the cliff with no guarantees?
It might turn out like brexit ie no one thought it possible but lets pray lol
The gift is the last establishment president having to prove something to dispel outside horses in future, and if they fail, then you cant blame the next election

There is no doubt the world needs a massive change....but we dont need cowboys  go implement it

Having said that i was a bit disturbed go read somewhere tonight that clinton was exposed via wikileaks as unleashing al queada into syria...which is said is present day isis....cant stomach that if true of ANY world politician/leader, no sereee as the yanks say

lol Merc but wasn't it the cowboys who over threw Mexican bandits and native Indians and WON the west?  Looks like they are hootin and a tootin and ready for civil war again if needs be.
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: mercury on November 09, 2016, 11:03:36 PM
Well MIT, we all gassed about this that and the other, were all floored now with the result
This along with brexit and a couple others I can think of ,to me prove the world really is in a massive flux that hasnt been seen for many many decades, at least couple centuries, its like the tectonic plates moving under the sea, destroying and recreating
Lets hope whats created is good
unfortuntately you have to crack eggs to make the omelette so....the future is brighg, the future is orange

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 09, 2016, 11:15:16 PM
Well MIT, we all gassed about this that and the other, were all floored now with the result
This along with brexit and a couple others I can think of ,to me prove the world really is in a massive flux that hasnt been seen for many many decades, at least couple centuries, its like the tectonic plates moving under the sea, destroying and recreating
Lets hope whats created is good
unfortuntately you have to crack eggs to make the omelette so....the future is brighg, the future is orange

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Oh don't say that in Northern Ireland lololol
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: mercury on November 09, 2016, 11:48:20 PM
Oh don't say that in Northern Ireland lololol

I wouldnt dare! I wouldnt even buy oranges in tescos there or buy green grapes in a rangers neighbourhood in scotland or blueberries in a celtic one

Pathetic

No, the jingle/slogan just came to mind...would suit his skin and hair more, now Im being peurile lol

But thats OK as were all in a alice in wonderland scenario at the mo...
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 09, 2016, 11:56:39 PM
I wouldnt dare! I wouldnt even buy oranges in tescos there or buy green grapes in a rangers neighbourhood in scotland or blueberries in a celtic one

Pathetic

No, the jingle/slogan just came to mind...would suit his skin and hair more, now Im being peurile lol

But thats OK as were all in a alice in wonderland scenario at the mo...


If there is one thing we Scots won't let go of ,it's our sectarianism!

I am actually quite upbeat about brexit and Trumpie,  those elite establishment have had ther conflakes thrown on the kitchen floor and left to pick it up themsleves, how bloody inconvenient. lol
Title: Re: The Real Hillary Clinton.
Post by: mercury on November 10, 2016, 12:03:28 AM
Most definitely the donkey work is on the old establishment and it will fail to keep the old order as it was