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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Mark Alexander was in September 2010 convicted of the murder of his elderly reclusive father Samuel (70), an Egyptian-born former University lecturer. => Topic started by: Daisy on January 19, 2017, 08:15:00 PM

Title: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on January 19, 2017, 08:15:00 PM
Here is the answer to the first question
Why did Mark lie when he claimed that his father was living with friends in London?
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I still hadn’t heard from dad when I came home in the New Year only to find the house empty, and I wasn’t getting any answer to my calls or texts. I had no real notion of where my father actually was by this point and when the neighbours told me they hadn’t seen him either I came to my own, albeit naive conclusions. It all stemmed from ideas dad had been toying with as far back as the summer about what he might do once I’d moved out. One of his plans involved staying with Egyptian friends from a church we used to go to. Given that this was the only place he’d specifically mentioned to me before, and knowing that he’d stayed there in the past, the only logical explanation seemed to be that he’d followed through with it. This was the assumption I conveyed to the neighbours I bumped into on 15th and 22nd January 2010.

I wasn’t able to provide any proof of these conversations with dad at my trial but we’ve just stumbled upon evidence for it amongst dad’s paperwork, literally about a month ago. On 23rd March 2009, dad visited the websites of two Coptic churches he hadn’t been to or had any contact with for at least 8 years. He printed out 2 pages for safekeeping, and this is what we found. They contain contact details for the church and maps with directions as to how to get there. One of them is in London.  We’ve also gathered evidence as to previous occasions when dad stayed with friends from these Churches, and times when I was left with them as a child while he was away on business.

Although then this wasn’t a lie, it’s fair to say that I hadn’t been completely open or honest with the neighbours on previous encounters.  The main reason is that I really didn’t know them that well.  We’d lived in the same street for 20 years or more but this was the first year I’d actually spoken to any of them:

•   “I do not know much about Sami. He was reclusive and kept himself to himself, he didn’t really integrate. In 22 years I spoke to him once or twice a year” JRM
•   “As the years passed Sami became more insular and didn’t really interact with the neighbours. He was intensely private; the curtains were always closed regardless of the time of day. I’ve never been invited to his house in all the years we have lived here” CSC
•   “Sami informed me that he wouldn’t be coming back. He was very reserved and private.  After a while he cut us dead” JPI
•   “As a young child, Mark was told and bullied in what to do every day. He was not allowed to talk to us (neighbours)” MAR
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on January 19, 2017, 08:16:02 PM
All my friends lived outside the area, so I never hung out in the village at all. I’d grown up against a backdrop of bitter disputes between my father and the neighbours and we were only just starting to mend relations:

•   “Sami came out and started shouting abuse at him. I confronted him but he told my son to ‘piss off’. Subsequently he threatened us with a knife” SSP
•   “It didn’t take long for him to become notorious for shouting viciously at neighbours’ children if they went onto his grass or property”WP
•   “He just reversed at speed out of his driveway, followed me, and pulled up alongside me blocking oncoming traffic. He got out of his car and started banging on my window and having a real go at me”.WP
•   “Sami was on my lawn shouting at me ‘silly bitch’. He was very aggressive and nothing I could do or say would calm him down. From that day on I never had another conversation with him”SEP

Dad’s sisters gave some insight into his unpredictable behaviour after my trial:

•   “Sami left Egypt in 1968. He suddenly resigned from his job…and got a passport to England to search for work there, without informing us”
•   “Sami used to disappear and stop writing to us from time to time, then return again saying he was ‘busy’ or ‘ill’. He never spoke or wrote to us about his personal life or problems and we never interfered.  We knew nothing about his marriage or separation, or even where he was working as a teacher. He did not tell us that he was going to undergo surgery, or when he was ill.  We tried to telephone him several times (2008) and no one was home. After that he changed the phone number and we did not know why”.

At the time, I felt the neighbours just didn’t know or understand dad the way I did, and I dismissed their concerns –quite stupidly as it turned out. I lacked the mature outlook and experience that they had and only wish I’d taken what they were saying more seriously
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on January 22, 2017, 12:31:47 PM
Thank you for posting the first of the responses Daisy.  It would be sense to give each response its own thread so that they are easier for readers to follow and we don't end up with one long thread relating to every issue.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on January 22, 2017, 12:47:06 PM
Here is the answer to the first question
Why did Mark lie when he claimed that his father was living with friends in London?
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I still hadn’t heard from dad when I came home in the New Year only to find the house empty, and I wasn’t getting any answer to my calls or texts. I had no real notion of where my father actually was by this point and when the neighbours told me they hadn’t seen him either I came to my own, albeit naive conclusions. It all stemmed from ideas dad had been toying with as far back as the summer about what he might do once I’d moved out. One of his plans involved staying with Egyptian friends from a church we used to go to. Given that this was the only place he’d specifically mentioned to me before, and knowing that he’d stayed there in the past, the only logical explanation seemed to be that he’d followed through with it. This was the assumption I conveyed to the neighbours I bumped into on 15th and 22nd January 2010.

I wasn’t able to provide any proof of these conversations with dad at my trial but we’ve just stumbled upon evidence for it amongst dad’s paperwork, literally about a month ago. On 23rd March 2009, dad visited the websites of two Coptic churches he hadn’t been to or had any contact with for at least 8 years. He printed out 2 pages for safekeeping, and this is what we found. They contain contact details for the church and maps with directions as to how to get there. One of them is in London.  We’ve also gathered evidence as to previous occasions when dad stayed with friends from these Churches, and times when I was left with them as a child while he was away on business.

Although then this wasn’t a lie, it’s fair to say that I hadn’t been completely open or honest with the neighbours on previous encounters.  The main reason is that I really didn’t know them that well.  We’d lived in the same street for 20 years or more but this was the first year I’d actually spoken to any of them:

It seems to be beyond doubt that Mark's father was an eccentric if not a total oddball and that his (Mark's) upbringing was really regimented bordering on the bizarre but that still doesn't get to the crux of the question.  Sami disappeared back in August yet by New Year Mark appears to have made no serious attempt to contact him in person in London.  Sami's idiocentricity aside, if Sami was supposed to be in London I fail to see how Mark couldn't have tracked him down given the clues he admits to having in his possession.

In support I also point to the fact that son Mark had access to his fathers bank account and the funds therein which he allegedly misappropriated.  My point is this, had Sami gone off to stay with friends in London as Mark suggests, he would have spent money from his bank account but this didn't happen.  Mark accessed the account into which Sami's care allowance and benefits were being paid, he knew no funds were being withdrawn by his father because he himself withdrew them.

Out of interest, who was paying the service charges applicable to the family home if it was empty for six months?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on January 22, 2017, 03:03:50 PM
It seems to be beyond doubt that Mark's father was an eccentric if not a total oddball and that his (Mark's) upbringing was really regimented bordering on the bizarre but that still doesn't get to the crux of the question.  Sami disappeared back in August yet by New Year Mark appears to have made no serious attempt to contact him in person in London.  Sami's idiocentricity aside, if Sami was supposed to be in London I fail to see how Mark couldn't have tracked him down given the clues he admits to having in his possession.

In support I also point to the fact that son Mark had access to his fathers bank account and the funds therein which he allegedly misappropriated.  My point is this, had Sami gone off to stay with friends in London as Mark suggests, he would have spent money from his bank account but this didn't happen.  Mark accessed the account into which Sami's care allowance and benefits were being paid, he knew no funds were being withdrawn by his father because he himself withdrew them.

Out of interest, who was paying the service charges applicable to the family home if it was empty for six months?



I hate to keep repeating myself but Mark last saw his dad in October and the neighbours saw the car leaving the property after October. As the curtains were closed all the time then no one would have paid much attention as Sami often went away for long periods. 

As for the bank account, again I have to repeat that this the only one Mark had access to. The care allowance was paid into it and Mark also paid several thousand of his own money into it as his father couldn't afford to pay the mortgage.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: mrswah on January 22, 2017, 04:38:05 PM
Thank you Daisy, for bringing this case to our attention.  I have been reading all the newspaper reports from when Mark was arrested and convicted, as well as the posts on the forum. I had not previously heard of this case.

Mark had a motive to kill his father, but that does not mean he did. There does not appear to be much evidence that he did, apart from the fact that he had a strange relationship with Samuel, and he had access to the property.

I am surprised that the prosecution was unable to make a more precise estimate of when Samuel was killed (have heard this kind of thing before!).  The neighbours sound weird too: in the newspaper reports, they appear to be very concerned about Samuel's whereabouts, and suspicious of Mark, and at the same time, there are all these quotes about how difficult he was, how they didn't get on with him, and how badly he treated his son.

It is not clear whom Samuel knew, and what "enemies" he had. A number of people could have had a motive to murder him. It appears that , at the trial, Samuel's lifestyle, and the people he knew, was not gone into very thoroughly.

This case has sparked my interest, and I look forward to learning more.

Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on January 23, 2017, 12:02:50 AM


I hate to keep repeating myself but Mark last saw his dad in October and the neighbours saw the car leaving the property after October. As the curtains were closed all the time then no one would have paid much attention as Sami often went away for long periods. 

As for the bank account, again I have to repeat that this the only one Mark had access to. The care allowance was paid into it and Mark also paid several thousand of his own money into it as his father couldn't afford to pay the mortgage.

First we have to establish the 1st of October sighting claim. Reference a previous question.

 
On 1st October Mark and his father were putting up a fence post and spoke to Aileen Wilson. I presume she was a neighbour.  So at the very least Sami was alive on that date and not already dead as the prosecution say.  There is not a shred of scientific evidence to prove he died in August or September, or in fact a date at all when he died.

Is there a statement or affidavit from Aileen Wilson to that effect and if not, why not?  Did she testify at the trail, was she a defence witness?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on January 23, 2017, 12:05:02 AM
Daisy, your reply leads me back to another question I previously asked which has relevance to the 'gone off to stay with friends in London' claim.

One of my previous questions related to computer use.  We have been told that Sami used the internet considerably so one way to determine if he was alive or dead was to check his internet usage. One way of doing this is merely to examine his computer, tablet or mobile phone.  Another way is to forensically examine his telephony accounts and the accounts he had with internet service providers. If Sami was alive as Mark insists there will be accounts from these various sources showing a pattern of usuage connected to his own IP.

In addition, when someone goes off on their travels as Mark claims his father did they generate a financial trail which in this day and age is extremely easy to follow.  A check of his bank accounts, credit card statements etc will reveal where he was if anywhere.

Did Sami take his car when he supposedly left to visit friends in London or did it remain in the garage?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on January 23, 2017, 07:16:34 AM
I have AW's witness statement which I will be posting. I also have the answers to the other questions re internet usage. I have photos to show as well. Mark's answers are very long and detailed so it is a case of having time to type them out and working out how to attach photos as these were sent to me in an email from one of Mark's relations. Subsequent questions asked since I sent the first ones to Mark will go in a further letter. As regards Sami going to visit friends in London, Mark explained paperwork relating to where he went was only found a few months' ago so he couldn't have investigated this at the time.  When you read all he has to say and his openness and honesty, like me you will be convinced he is innocent.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on January 23, 2017, 03:01:30 PM
I have AW's witness statement which I will be posting. I also have the answers to the other questions re internet usage. I have photos to show as well. Mark's answers are very long and detailed so it is a case of having time to type them out and working out how to attach photos as these were sent to me in an email from one of Mark's relations. Subsequent questions asked since I sent the first ones to Mark will go in a further letter. As regards Sami going to visit friends in London, Mark explained paperwork relating to where he went was only found a few months' ago so he couldn't have investigated this at the time.  When you read all he has to say and his openness and honesty, like me you will be convinced he is innocent.

Thank you Daisy, can you open a new thread for each witness like we have on the Bamber board.

I look forward to reading Mark's responses, as I stated previously this case has a way to go yet.  I will see if some of our inhouse sleuths might want to contribute more to this board.

Another general question for Mark. Does he have family support in his fight?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on January 23, 2017, 07:15:12 PM
Thank you Daisy, can you open a new thread for each witness like we have on the Bamber board.

I look forward to reading Mark's responses, as I stated previously this case has a way to go yet.  I will see if some of our inhouse sleuths might want to contribute more to this board.

Another general question for Mark. Does he have family support in his fight?


Thanks John. Mark is very grateful to you for allowing him space to give more information.  Luckily he does have a family to support him. You will recall he was reunited with his mother shortly before trial, having been told that she died when he was a young child.  I am now working on another thread and hope to post it this evening.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on January 23, 2017, 08:06:23 PM

Thanks John. Mark is very grateful to you for allowing him space to give more information.  Luckily he does have a family to support him. You will recall he was reunited with his mother shortly before trial, having been told that she died when he was a young child.  I am now working on another thread and hope to post it this evening.

Thank you Daisy, please pass on my regards to him.  Finding out his mother was not deceased must have been a truly bitter sweet experience.

As I stated at the outset I am quite prepared to review this case here on the basis that everyone is entitled to a hearing.  But remember too that this is not a vindication as I am undecided as to his culpability.  We have looked at several potential miscarriage of justice cases here but many turn out to be guilty as charged.

Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on January 29, 2017, 08:44:06 AM
I spoke to Mark yesterday. I think we were all under the impression that although Mark suspected his father was in Lomdon he had no proof. This isn't the case. I asked him why the friends he stayed with haven't come forward. Mark told me that early in the investigation which started off as a missing persons enquiry it was established that he had never gone to London. Mark assumed wrongly that he had and this is why he didn't pay attention to the neighbours concerns.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Angelo222 on January 29, 2017, 03:27:04 PM
I spoke to Mark yesterday. I think we were all under the impression that although Mark suspected his father was in London he had no proof. This isn't the case. I asked him why the friends he stayed with haven't come forward. Mark told me that early in the investigation which started off as a missing persons enquiry it was established that he had never gone to London. Mark assumed wrongly that he had and this is why he didn't pay attention to the neighbours concerns.

So Samuel never left home at all and for months never spent any money on anything and was never seen by any of his neighbours in all that time?  The truth being that Samuel was dead, buried beside the family garage in a grave which coincidentally his son covered over with a load of concrete. 
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Angelo222 on January 29, 2017, 03:34:02 PM
I have AW's witness statement which I will be posting. I also have the answers to the other questions re internet usage. I have photos to show as well. Mark's answers are very long and detailed so it is a case of having time to type them out and working out how to attach photos as these were sent to me in an email from one of Mark's relations. Subsequent questions asked since I sent the first ones to Mark will go in a further letter. As regards Sami going to visit friends in London, Mark explained paperwork relating to where he went was only found a few months' ago so he couldn't have investigated this at the time.  When you read all he has to say and his openness and honesty, like me you will be convinced he is innocent.

How could there be paperwork to where he was when he never left home or is he referring to past trips?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on January 29, 2017, 03:58:27 PM
How could there be paperwork to where he was when he never left home or is he referring to past trips?


It is the paperwork mentioned at the beginning of this thread which was found a month ago. As regards spending money he always had cash in the house.  Of course he could always have been using accounts in one of his aliases which Mark and the authorities knew nothing about.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Angelo222 on January 29, 2017, 04:44:44 PM
Here is the answer to the first question
Why did Mark lie when he claimed that his father was living with friends in London?
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I still hadn’t heard from dad when I came home in the New Year only to find the house empty, and I wasn’t getting any answer to my calls or texts. I had no real notion of where my father actually was by this point and when the neighbours told me they hadn’t seen him either I came to my own, albeit naive conclusions.

So we have established that Samuel didn't go to stay with friends in London but remained at home.  I find it very difficult to accept he was at home yet was never seen by neighbours who were anxious about his whereabouts.  If what Mark claims is true there will be a record of his calls and texts going back several months prior to New Year?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on January 29, 2017, 07:43:48 PM
So we have established that Samuel didn't go to stay with friends in London but remained at home.  I find it very difficult to accept he was at home yet was never seen by neighbours who were anxious about his whereabouts.  If what Mark claims is true there will be a record of his calls and texts going back several months prior to New Year?

If Samuel never left home and since he was online every day there will be an internet footprint which can be tracked by his telecom company or internet service provider.  From this the approx date of the assault/murder can be determined.  This is all very basic stuff so it will be interesting to hear what was found or if anyone actually bothered to look?

Another way is to look at electricity usage at the family home.  The electric meters are all digital now so the electric supply company should have a record indicating when the power usage almost stopped. Same for gas usage if the house was connected to a gas supplier.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on January 31, 2017, 10:09:57 PM

It is the paperwork mentioned at the beginning of this thread which was found a month ago. As regards spending money he always had cash in the house.  Of course he could always have been using accounts in one of his aliases which Mark and the authorities knew nothing about.

If he was using cash there would have been receipts lying around? for food etc? The police search would have found something  on paper to show he was still alive- letters unopened, food reciepts when he last bough food etc He must have spent some money on something!
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on February 01, 2017, 11:15:34 AM
If he was using cash there would have been receipts lying around? for food etc? The police search would have found something  on paper to show he was still alive- letters unopened, food reciepts when he last bough food etc He must have spent some money on something!

Good point MTI.  A proper forensic search of the property would have identified these things or their absence.  Question is too, if he was at home as the son claims, where was he getting his daily bread etc etc..?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on February 01, 2017, 01:35:56 PM
I think the serious case review identified failings in the investigation. All these things should have been looked at instead of focusing on Mark as the suspect. As his girlfriend said in the other thread, clothes etc were missing so he had been somewhere. This and Samuel's aliases should have been looked into. Remember the case of Colin Stagg. The police ignored all other lines of enquiry in order to convict him while the real murderer of Rachel Nickell went on to commit other murders before he was caught. There are so many more questions in this case.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Angelo222 on February 02, 2017, 07:21:32 AM
I think the serious case review identified failings in the investigation. All these things should have been looked at instead of focusing on Mark as the suspect. As his girlfriend said in the other thread, clothes etc were missing so he had been somewhere. This and Samuel's aliases should have been looked into. Remember the case of Colin Stagg. The police ignored all other lines of enquiry in order to convict him while the real murderer of Rachel Nickell went on to commit other murders before he was caught. There are so many more questions in this case.

It would have been looked at and that is part of the reason the police came to the conclusion that Sami was murdered in August.  What about this neighbour whom Mark claims was a witness to him being alive much later?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on February 02, 2017, 07:26:41 AM
It would have been looked at and that is part of the reason the police came to the conclusion that Sami was murdered in August.  What about this neighbour whom Mark claims was a witness?

No it wasn't looked at. That is why there was a Serious Case Review. Please read the information I give you and stop coming out with ridiculous comments.  I will be posting her witness statement when I can work out how to attach it
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: jixy on February 02, 2017, 11:51:32 AM
Hope you manage to post it Daisy and it helps to make things clearer for us. Have you managed to get any more updates?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on February 02, 2017, 01:29:58 PM
Thanks for that Myster. I will try and post this today.

Yes Jixy still more to come from Mark's recent letter.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on February 07, 2017, 06:04:42 PM
The importance of this witness who spoke to Mark and Sami cannot be understated. 
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on February 07, 2017, 08:12:44 PM
The importance of this witness who spoke to Mark and Sami cannot be understated.

I thought there would have been more response to the witness statement I posted. I wonder if she has thought about going to the police post trial to say she felt pressurised to change the date she saw Mark and Sami.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Angelo222 on February 07, 2017, 08:23:12 PM
I thought there would have been more response to the witness statement I posted. I wonder if she has thought about going to the police post trial to say she felt pressurised to change the date she saw Mark and Sami.

That might not be the case Daisy.  What we have are two dates and if Mark is in possession of evidence that he wasn't there in August then that throws great doubt on the police case. 
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on February 07, 2017, 08:42:38 PM
That might not be the case Daisy.  What we have are two dates and if Mark is in possession of evidence that he wasn't there in August then that throws great doubt on the police case.

That's a good point. I will do some checks and let you know.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on February 10, 2017, 09:20:37 PM
That might not be the case Daisy.  What we have are two dates and if Mark is in possession of evidence that he wasn't there in August then that throws great doubt on the police case.

Do we have any futher knowledge about Sami's benefit claims, ie what type of claim was he awarded and what was his health reason for recieving these benefits. This is important because if there was a fraud suspected,  and it would seem there is, then the DWP has a right to claim back money if this was the case. Perhaps give them a nod and see what they dig up? Was he claiming benefits as different people? His use of differnt personas is a give away of a sordid life which he tried to keep secret in my opinion of him as it stands.  What about contacting Mark William Thomas?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on September 18, 2017, 09:46:19 AM
Another way is to look at electricity usage at the family home.  The electric meters are all digital now so the electric supply company should have a record indicating when the power usage almost stopped. Same for gas usage if the house was connected to a gas supplier.

This is Mark’s response.
Just to be clear, there is no dispute that the house was empty between November 2009 and February 2010.  It is the period between September and November 2009 that is contested.  We believe that, out of the wider 6 month period, my father was alive for at least 6 weeks longer than the prosecution allowed for.
We had really hoped to find the kind of paper trail many of you have suggested following.  In practice, however, that has proved to be extremely difficult to uncover thus far because of my father’s clandestine behaviour – as explained in earlier posts.  He was quite meticulous in covering his tracks when he didn’t want people to know what he was doing or where he had been travelling.  All his diaries over the years contain mysteriously blank periods where nothing is recorded at all, sandwiched in between periods where he seems to record everything.
Chasing up the utility records is a really good idea, so I am looking into that now.  Thanks to whoever suggested it.  I will let you know what they come back with.  It was quite apparent that the house was empty when I visited in the New Year, and there was quite a lot of unopened mail – including unpaid utility bills and insurance renewal reminders – which I settled myself.
Looking at his Samuel Alexander account, apart from his direct debits (set up for his BT landline, mortgage payments, and investment funds), the last utility payment dad made after September 2009 was for electricity on 8th October – eight days before I last saw him alive
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on September 24, 2017, 05:36:38 PM
If Sami was living in the family home at any time between September and November 2009 then his utility and internet accounts will reflect that fact.  I look forward to them being posted.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 25, 2017, 08:38:41 PM
If Sami was living in the family home at any time between September and November 2009 then his utility and internet accounts will reflect that fact.  I look forward to them being posted.

Yes, that is what I mean John. There would have been reminders sent if he hadn't paid bills etc and letters behind the door for over 3 months? who paid for the initial underpinning work and who oversaw it and who/when was the decision for further work to be carried out- must be something on paper somewhere...
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on September 25, 2017, 08:48:35 PM
Yes, that is what I mean John. There would have been reminders sent if he hadn't paid bills etc and letters behind the door for over 3 months? who paid for the initial underpinning work and who oversaw it and who/when was the decision for further work to be carried out- must be something on paper somewhere...

Most of Sami's bills were paid by direct debit so there would only have been a couple outstanding. Electricity, gas and water bills would have been sent 3 monthly if they weren't paid by direct debit. Also we all know when our insurances are due for renewal we are bombarded by quotes. I expect most of it went in the bin. As for building work I think he paid cash so there wouldn't have been invoices. I am sure Mark said he used casual labour so it was "cash in hand".
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on September 25, 2017, 11:20:23 PM
The itemised BT bill will be very interesting. 

Daisy, if your reference to 'building work' relates to the multiple layers of mortar which covered Sami's burnt remains then that is incorrect.  The claimed underpinning is not underpinning at all by any building standard, professional or botched.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 28, 2017, 10:13:05 PM
The itemised BT bill will be very interesting. 

Daisy, if your reference to 'building work' relates to the multiple layers of mortar which covered Sami's burnt remains then that is incorrect.  The claimed underpinning is not underpinning at all by any building standard, professional or botched.

Any phone bill would be great. in fact any bill can be had by requesting, did the police not do this? if not why not.

where was his stash of cash  kept? someone must know surely. when did his DD's stop?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on September 29, 2017, 10:38:51 PM
Any phone bill would be great. in fact any bill can be had by requesting, did the police not do this? if not why not.

where was his stash of cash  kept? someone must know surely. when did his DD's stop?

It's all so logical isn't it?  I'm sure Daisy will do her best to seek these documents out because they should all be readily available from the utility companies.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on September 30, 2017, 08:27:08 AM
It's all so logical isn't it?  I'm sure Daisy will do her best to seek these documents out because they should all be readily available from the utility companies.

I agree any bill would be useful and I have since asked Mark for the itemised phone bill. I don't really know how helpful it will be as won't show who made those calls.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: mrswah on September 30, 2017, 04:18:24 PM
Any phone bill would be great. in fact any bill can be had by requesting, did the police not do this? if not why not.

where was his stash of cash  kept? someone must know surely. when did his DD's stop?

I don't suppose the direct debits stopped until the police realised Sami was dead.  Interesting if they stopped before, of course-------.

Did Sami have a landline phone? Many people don't these days.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 30, 2017, 05:56:52 PM
I was just guessing he has a land line as he would have internet via router for his online dealinigs, I can't see any company investing in fibre cables for such a small area. but then what do I know about these thing's... &%+((£ 8**8:/: 8)-)))

It is also my guess that being a dodgy character, as he is being portrayed, he would have  a mobile phone or two? or  one phone and  a few pay-as-you-go cards. If he was all these different people. Now where are these phones and or cards and where is the nearest mast and were the  logs collected? Some people have been charged and arrested -found guilty by denying there were near a crime scene when their phone records says different... Just saying like...
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Angelo222 on October 08, 2017, 03:00:11 PM
I agree any bill would be useful and I have since asked Mark for the itemised phone bill. I don't really know how helpful it will be as won't show who made those calls.

I think you are missing the point.  The phone bill will show if calls were made and since nobody was in the house to have made those calls except Sami then that alone will be good indicator of when he went missing.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on October 08, 2017, 04:10:02 PM
I was just guessing he has a land line as he would have internet via router for his online dealinigs, I can't see any company investing in fibre cables for such a small area. but then what do I know about these thing's... &%+((£ 8**8:/: 8)-)))

It is also my guess that being a dodgy character, as he is being portrayed, he would have  a mobile phone or two? or  one phone and  a few pay-as-you-go cards. If he was all these different people. Now where are these phones and or cards and where is the nearest mast and were the  logs collected? Some people have been charged and arrested -found guilty by denying there were near a crime scene when their phone records says different... Just saying like...

Another good point MTI.  The local transponder will have been pinged by Sami's mobile phone(s) up until it was switched off or the battery died.  The history of those pings will tell its own story.  Add to that the BT record and a picture will form.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on October 08, 2017, 09:28:41 PM
I think you are missing the point.  The phone bill will show if calls were made and since nobody was in the house to have made those calls except Sami then that alone will be good indicator of when he went missing.


Mark may have made calls from the landline when he came home on occasions. Believe me I want to know the truth. I have much more to post and I hope in time we will all have a clearer picture. I wonder if the police bothered to find out about Sami's movements and felt it was easier and less time consuming to build a case around Mark.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on October 19, 2017, 07:15:02 AM

I am assuming these phonecalls are on record of Sammy's phone and receipts for the purchases are readily available to Mark's defence team? just to collaborate Mark's story if nothing else.

What phone calls? I haven’t mentioned any. However Mark has requested the itemised phone bill from the CPS but they refused to disclose it. By refusing they are making it very difficult for Mark to prove his innocence. Why would anyone behave in this way?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 19, 2017, 01:55:45 PM
What phone calls? I haven’t mentioned any. However Mark has requested the itemised phone bill from the CPS but they refused to disclose it. By refusing they are making it very difficult for Mark to prove his innocence. Why would anyone behave in this way?

My apologies Daisy. I just assumed Sammy used the phone to talk to contractors etc. So we can establish he never used a  mobile phone to make or receive calls. and all business was conducted face to face.

Remarkable that the lawyers can't access this material as CPS must by law provide the evidence they have to defence team for argument...

ofcourse any receipts etc can be released to the next of kin who would be?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on October 19, 2017, 08:38:53 PM
My apologies Daisy. I just assumed Sammy used the phone to talk to contractors etc. So we can establish he never used a  mobile phone to make or receive calls. and all business was conducted face to face.

Remarkable that the lawyers can't access this material as CPS must by law provide the evidence they have to defence team for argument...

ofcourse any receipts etc can be released to the next of kin who would be?

I think he conducted most business face to face as he lived in a small village.  He may have used the landline or mobile on occasion I really don’t know. 

It is not unusual for the CPS to refuse to hand anything over or for the police to do the same. They are a law unto themselves and know the only way to be forced to hand documents over is to be sued which the average person cannot do. Jeremy Bamber has been fighting for over 30 years for access to documents. There is no hope for most of us if we find ourselves in prison unless we have unlimited money.  John will verify this.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on October 20, 2017, 07:20:20 PM
What phone calls? I haven’t mentioned any. However Mark has requested the itemised phone bill from the CPS but they refused to disclose it. By refusing they are making it very difficult for Mark to prove his innocence. Why would anyone behave in this way?

Sami's next of kin or executor can request a copy of these bills.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on October 21, 2017, 08:23:03 AM
Sami's next of kin or executor can request a copy of these bills.




They have requested and it has been refused. The only option is to obtain a court order, highly expensive and at the end there is no guarantee they will comply.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on October 22, 2017, 10:58:25 PM
They have requested and it has been refused. The only option is to obtain a court order, highly expensive and at the end there is no guarantee they will comply.

A utility has no reason to refuse so this just doesn't make sense.  Do you have proof Daisy or is this merely a diversionary tactic by Mark because he knows that to produce these bills would scupper his version of events?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on October 26, 2017, 07:17:30 AM
A utility has no reason to refuse so this just doesn't make sense.  Do you have proof Daisy or is this merely a diversionary tactic by Mark because he knows that to produce these bills would scupper his version of events?

Mark has sent me copies of the electricity bill and water bill but as you know they give usage for a period of time not daily. The CPS won’t hand over the BT bill but this won’t be helpful as Mark previously explained he took most of the equipment from the home on 5th September to set up his new flat. I don’t know if the landline was cut off at that point.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on October 26, 2017, 03:26:05 PM
Mark has sent me copies of the electricity bill and water bill but as you know they give usage for a period of time not daily. The CPS won’t hand over the BT bill but this won’t be helpful as Mark previously explained he took most of the equipment from the home on 5th September to set up his new flat. I don’t know if the landline was cut off at that point.

The BT bill is the key to this case, there is no reason why it shouldn't be obtainable.  It is somewhat coincidental too that Mark just happens to remove telecom equipment the moment Sami disappears.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on October 26, 2017, 03:28:35 PM


I hate to keep repeating myself but Mark last saw his dad in October and the neighbours saw the car leaving the property after October. As the curtains were closed all the time then no one would have paid much attention as Sami often went away for long periods. 

As for the bank account, again I have to repeat that this the only one Mark had access to. The care allowance was paid into it and Mark also paid several thousand of his own money into it as his father couldn't afford to pay the mortgage.

This isn't proof that Sami was alive in October.  He failed to keep medical appointments and was uncontactable after mid August.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on October 27, 2017, 08:24:10 AM
This isn't proof that Sami was alive in October.  He failed to keep medical appointments and was uncontactable after mid August.

We know that Sami was definitely alive on 4th September as a tree surgeon visited the home on that day. On 5th September he and Mark visited builders merchants. I agree that there is no conclusive evidence after that. I cannot understand why the CPS won’t release the BT Bill and I am going to press Mark further on this. We know the internet was disconnected as Mark took away the hub but Sami could still have made calls from the landline. Finding a number he phoned after 5th September would be helpful to Mark’s defence.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on October 29, 2017, 12:40:16 AM
We know that Sami was definitely alive on 4th September as a tree surgeon visited the home on that day. On 5th September he and Mark visited builders merchants. I agree that there is no conclusive evidence after that. I cannot understand why the CPS won’t release the BT Bill and I am going to press Mark further on this. We know the internet was disconnected as Mark took away the hub but Sami could still have made calls from the landline. Finding a number he phoned after 5th September would be helpful to Mark’s defence.

Thank you for clarifying those encounters Daisy, do you happen to have the statements of the landscape gardener, the tree surgeon and the manager of the building supplies?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on October 29, 2017, 08:01:32 AM
Thank you for clarifying those encounters Daisy, do you happen to have the statements of the landscape gardener, the tree surgeon and the manager of the building supplies?

No I haven’t but I can certainly ask for these. However the prosecution have no doubt that Sami was alive on these days. We really need statements from anyone who saw or had contact with Sami after 5th September.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 04, 2017, 01:41:26 PM
They have requested and it has been refused. The only option is to obtain a court order, highly expensive and at the end there is no guarantee they will comply.

Mark's legal team can demand these if they are deemed to be evidence of Sami being alive if someone is accused of murdering him.  No cost to Mark as he  would get legal aid to defend him as a miscarriage of justice. also, you mentioned that Mark paid in 'thousands' to Samis account, as a student where would Mark get this money from and do we have  a copy of Sami bank statements how much he had in his account at the time of his suspected death? and do we know how much was in Mark's bank at the time leading up to his father being deemed missing?

The BT bill is the key to this case, there is no reason why it shouldn't be obtainable.  It is somewhat coincidental too that Mark just happens to remove telecom equipment the moment Sami disappears.
Indeed! So, what Mark is saying is: He has no record of any phone calls he made to his father on his phone because he never communicated with his father over the phone under any circumstances? and his Father never used his phone, which he paid for, and the internet,emails? nothing. *%87

This isn't proof that Sami was alive in October.  He failed to keep medical appointments and was uncontactable after mid August.
In my opinion I would suggest Sami had many identities, passports, names, and places of cash stashed. as he comes across as a dodgy character. is Mark the only person who knew about his fathers 'strange' life?

If someone saw Samis car being driven away who did they did they say drove it and when was it returned?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on November 10, 2017, 01:11:08 PM
So, what Mark is saying is: He has no record of any phone calls he made to his father on his phone because he never communicated with his father over the phone under any circumstances? and his Father never used his phone, which he paid for, and the internet,emails? nothing. *%87

Not only is it suspicious but extremely incriminating too.  The absence of any telephone records after a certain date can only really point in one direction imo.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on November 10, 2017, 01:40:45 PM
Not only is it suspicious but extremely incriminating too.  The absence of any telephone records after a certain date can only really point in one direction imo.

Where has all this rubbish come from Mistaken Identity?  Mark has never said he didn’t phone his father and John haven’t you read my replies? Mark has requested the itemised phone bill but the CPS have refused. What do you want him to do - go round to their offices and hold a gun to their heads? He is trying to prove his innocence but every obstacle is being put in his way.  When the BT bill is available I will let you know.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on November 10, 2017, 04:13:08 PM
Where has all this rubbish come from Mistaken Identity?  Mark has never said he didn’t phone his father and John haven’t you read my replies? Mark has requested the itemised phone bill but the CPS have refused. What do you want him to do - go round to their offices and hold a gun to their heads? He is trying to prove his innocence but every obstacle is being put in his way.  When the BT bill is available I will let you know.

Who is Sami's executor(s) Daisy?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on November 10, 2017, 07:23:04 PM
Who is Sami's executor(s) Daisy?

I don’t know but I will find out for you.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 14, 2017, 03:05:38 PM
Where has all this rubbish come from Mistaken Identity?  Mark has never said he didn’t phone his father and John haven’t you read my replies? Mark has requested the itemised phone bill but the CPS have refused. What do you want him to do - go round to their offices and hold a gun to their heads? He is trying to prove his innocence but every obstacle is being put in his way.  When the BT bill is available I will let you know.

Rubbish? I hardly think my questions are rubbish.  I am trying, as an independent thinking person, to look at this case without prejudice.

I find it quite incredible that the CPS/police are withholding evidence which the defence are entitled to have access to, Is being used to persecute an innocent person. Now we have to look at his legal team who should complain to the bar with this legal regard and demand a re trial or at least an appeal based on this evidence.

Sami had a land line how else would be get access to the internet. and what happened to his property? his phones etc? AND what was the state of his closing balance on Sami's bank account on his 'dissapearance'.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: mrswah on November 14, 2017, 03:31:35 PM
Rubbish? I hardly think my questions are rubbish.  I am trying, as an independent thinking person, to look at this case without prejudice.

I find it quite incredible that the CPS/police are withholding evidence which the defence are entitled to have access to, Is being used to persecute an innocent person. Now we have to look at his legal team who should complain to the bar with this legal regard and demand a re trial or at least an appeal based on this evidence.

Sami had a land line how else would be get access to the internet. and what happened to his property? his phones etc? AND what was the state of his closing balance on Sami's bank account on his 'dissapearance'.


One doesn't need a landline to get access to the internet.  None of my three offspring has a landline, but they all have internet access. Don't ask me how----I'm too old to be internet savvy!!!
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on November 14, 2017, 08:34:09 PM

One doesn't need a landline to get access to the internet.  None of my three offspring has a landline, but they all have internet access. Don't ask me how----I'm too old to be internet savvy!!!

Thank you at least you know what I am trying to explain.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on November 14, 2017, 08:45:05 PM
Rubbish? I hardly think my questions are rubbish.  I am trying, as an independent thinking person, to look at this case without prejudice.

I find it quite incredible that the CPS/police are withholding evidence which the defence are entitled to have access to, Is being used to persecute an innocent person. Now we have to look at his legal team who should complain to the bar with this legal regard and ddeand a re trial or at least an appeal based on this evidence.

Sami had a land line how else would be get access to the internet. and what happened to his property? his phones etc? AND what was the state of his closing balance on Sami's bank account on his 'dissapearance'.

I am referring to the statements you make which have no relation to the truth. You obviously haven’t read the vast amount I have posted on this case. Mark paid large sums of money into his dad’s account as he ran his own business alongside his studies.

You don’t just get what you want by demanding. The police do not have the telephone bill, BT do! If you complained to the bar they would laugh at you as it is not applicable.  Also the request of data only applies to living people so they are not obliged to release it as Sami can’t give his consent. This also applies to any other documents relating to Sami.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 14, 2017, 09:59:07 PM
I am referring to the statements you make which have no relation to the truth. You obviously haven’t read the vast amount I have posted on this case. Mark paid large sums of money into his dad’s account as he ran his own business alongside his studies.

You don’t just get what you want by demanding. The police do not have the telephone bill, BT do! If you complained to the bar they would laugh at you as it is not applicable.  Also the request of data only applies to living people so they are not obliged to release it as Sami can’t give his consent. This also applies to any other documents relating to Sami.

So let me try and understand this... the CPS/police didn't bother to check phone or internet traffic. ( it didn't have to be BT internet but it usually is a land line otherwise why have land line?) wow Mark has really been set up then- in your opinion- no evidence.

 Personally never known that in a murder trial but it is as you say a pure set up. So just incase anyone else is interested and can't be bothered to read every word- who threw out all the paperwork and unwound sami's share of the 'business' . who is the next of Kin?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on November 15, 2017, 07:06:18 AM
So let me try and understand this... the CPS/police didn't bother to check phone or internet traffic. ( it didn't have to be BT internet but it usually is a land line otherwise why have land line?) wow Mark has really been set up then- in your opinion- no evidence.

 Personally never known that in a murder trial but it is as you say a pure set up. So just incase anyone else is interested and can't be bothered to read every word- who threw out all the paperwork and unwound sami's share of the 'business' . who is the next of Kin?

They did check the internet and phone but not revealed this.

I have never said it is a set up.

Sami had no part in Mark’s computer business

There is no evidence that paperwork was thrown out.

Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 15, 2017, 12:08:30 PM
They did check the internet and phone but not revealed this.

I have never said it is a set up.

Sami had no part in Mark’s computer business

There is no evidence that paperwork was thrown out.



I have never said it is a set up.

You are suggesting Mark was set up?

Sami had no part in Mark’s computer business
So mark was 'keeping' his father and they shared a business bank account or did Mark have his own and access to sami's?
OK Why would Mark use and have access to Samis bank account?

There is no evidence that paperwork was thrown out.
The next of kin, you still havn't told us who that is, can see if there are any bank statements, bills,reciepts etc


 Who is Sami's NOK?

Just for the record. a court order can be made if there may be evidence on any data set/field on any database which could be used as an alibi in a murder case.  he has cr@p lawyers! As an example why do you think CCTV is used for Jill Dandos last minutes? the police got permission is why!
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on November 15, 2017, 05:02:13 PM
Let's keep posts constructive and civil please ladies.  TY
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Nicholas on April 26, 2018, 10:25:47 PM
Another way is to look at electricity usage at the family home.  The electric meters are all digital now so the electric supply company should have a record indicating when the power usage almost stopped. Same for gas usage if the house was connected to a gas supplier.

This is Mark’s response.
Just to be clear, there is no dispute that the house was empty between November 2009 and February 2010.  It is the period between September and November 2009 that is contested.  We believe that, out of the wider 6 month period, my father was alive for at least 6 weeks longer than the prosecution allowed for.
We had really hoped to find the kind of paper trail many of you have suggested following.  In practice, however, that has proved to be extremely difficult to uncover thus far because of my father’s clandestine behaviour – as explained in earlier posts.  He was quite meticulous in covering his tracks when he didn’t want people to know what he was doing or where he had been travelling.  All his diaries over the years contain mysteriously blank periods where nothing is recorded at all, sandwiched in between periods where he seems to record everything.
Chasing up the utility records is a really good idea, so I am looking into that now.  Thanks to whoever suggested it.  I will let you know what they come back with.  It was quite apparent that the house was empty when I visited in the New Year, and there was quite a lot of unopened mail – including unpaid utility bills and insurance renewal reminders – which I settled myself.
Looking at his Samuel Alexander account, apart from his direct debits (set up for his BT landline, mortgage payments, and investment funds), the last utility payment dad made after September 2009 was for electricity on 8th October – eight days before I last saw him alive

Mark was meticulous at covering his tracks etc - well until the neighbours cottoned on

Wasn't it good of him to settle a few bills when he got home. Did he really settle the bills or did he write this for the readers benefit?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on April 27, 2018, 07:11:26 AM
Mark was meticulous at covering his tracks etc - well until the neighbours cottoned on

Wasn't it good of him to settle a few bills when he got home. Did he really settle the bills or did he write this for the readers benefit?


I have seen evidence on bank statements  that Mark did settle bills when he returned home. He in fact settled many bills as his father was heavily in debt.

It is worth mentioning that the two neighbours who started the dossier on Mark and asked other neighbours to rally round and support them were retired police officers!!
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Nicholas on April 27, 2018, 07:57:29 AM

I have seen evidence on bank statements  that Mark did settle bills when he returned home. He in fact settled many bills as his father was heavily in debt.

It is worth mentioning that the two neighbours who started the dossier on Mark and asked other neighbours to rally round and support them were retired police officers!!

I'm not surprised he was in debt. Seems Mark was withdrawing large sums of his fathers money

If Mark had been behaving normally and not faked his fathers signiture on the Christmas cards and not told his neighbours his father had gone to London, there would have been no cause for concern.

The fact they were retired police officers tells me they were used to dealing with criminal behaviour.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on April 27, 2018, 08:36:06 AM
I'm not surprised he was in debt. Seems Mark was withdrawing large sums of his fathers money

If Mark had been behaving normally and not faked his fathers signiture on the Christmas cards and not told his neighbours his father had gone to London, there would have been no cause for concern.

The fact they were retired police officers tells me they were used to dealing with criminal behaviour.

He didn’t fake his fathers signature, he merely included his name on the cards as part of the family. We have all done it. I have added my children’s names to cards when they were living away from home. Friends have put their husbands names on cards when they have been working away. This is normal behaviour which suddenly becomes suspicious according to the police if the absent person is murdered.

As for the police officers, I would never trust one as far as I could throw them!
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Nicholas on April 27, 2018, 09:05:37 AM
He didn’t fake his fathers signature, he merely included his name on the cards as part of the family. We have all done it. I have added my children’s names to cards when they were living away from home. Friends have put their husbands names on cards when they have been working away. This is normal behaviour which suddenly becomes suspicious according to the police if the absent person is murdered.

As for the police officers, I would never trust one as far as I could throw them!

Why?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on April 27, 2018, 09:24:21 AM
Why?

Probably because of all the MOJs and the police never get punished for their criminal behaviour - one rule for them and another for us.  Ask the families of the Hillsborough victims if they will ever trust a police officer again. Also those poor men accused of rape recently whose trials collapsed. Our justice system is corrupt and that is my opinion.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Nicholas on April 27, 2018, 09:34:31 AM
Probably because of all the MOJs and the police never get punished for their criminal behaviour - one rule for them and another for us.  Ask the families of the Hillsborough victims if they will ever trust a police officer again. Also those poor men accused of rape recently whose trials collapsed. Our justice system is corrupt and that is my opinion.

Not all police are corrupt though Daisy. There are good and bad eggs in every institution.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Nicholas on December 20, 2018, 10:49:52 AM
Here is the answer to the first question
Why did Mark lie when he claimed that his father was living with friends in London?
?
I still hadn’t heard from dad when I came home in the New Year only to find the house empty, and I wasn’t getting any answer to my calls or texts. I had no real notion of where my father actually was by this point and when the neighbours told me they hadn’t seen him either I came to my own, albeit naive conclusions. It all stemmed from ideas dad had been toying with as far back as the summer about what he might do once I’d moved out. One of his plans involved staying with Egyptian friends from a church we used to go to. Given that this was the only place he’d specifically mentioned to me before, and knowing that he’d stayed there in the past, the only logical explanation seemed to be that he’d followed through with it. This was the assumption I conveyed to the neighbours I bumped into on 15th and 22nd January 2010.

I wasn’t able to provide any proof of these conversations with dad at my trial but we’ve just stumbled upon evidence for it amongst dad’s paperwork, literally about a month ago. On 23rd March 2009, dad visited the websites of two Coptic churches he hadn’t been to or had any contact with for at least 8 years. He printed out 2 pages for safekeeping, and this is what we found. They contain contact details for the church and maps with directions as to how to get there. One of them is in London.  We’ve also gathered evidence as to previous occasions when dad stayed with friends from these Churches, and times when I was left with them as a child while he was away on business.

Although then this wasn’t a lie, it’s fair to say that I hadn’t been completely open or honest with the neighbours on previous encounters.  The main reason is that I really didn’t know them that well.  We’d lived in the same street for 20 years or more but this was the first year I’d actually spoken to any of them:

•   “I do not know much about Sami. He was reclusive and kept himself to himself, he didn’t really integrate. In 22 years I spoke to him once or twice a year” JRM
•   “As the years passed Sami became more insular and didn’t really interact with the neighbours. He was intensely private; the curtains were always closed regardless of the time of day. I’ve never been invited to his house in all the years we have lived here” CSC
•   “Sami informed me that he wouldn’t be coming back. He was very reserved and private.  After a while he cut us dead” JPI
•   “As a young child, Mark was told and bullied in what to do every day. He was not allowed to talk to us (neighbours)” MAR

And again, Mark didn't contact Sami for 3 weeks whilst he was in Moscow, so what calls and texts is he referring to and why send the neighbours Christmas cards?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on December 20, 2018, 03:20:27 PM
And again, Mark didn't contact Sami for 3 weeks whilst he was in Moscow, so what calls and texts is he referring to and why send the neighbours Christmas cards?

There's lot of things like this that just don't add up.  I don't believe for a moment that had Sami gone off as Mark claims that he wouldn't have been in touch with his son during that period.

Is there any evidence at all which could point to Mark's innocence?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Nicholas on December 20, 2018, 03:31:59 PM
There's lot of things like this that just don't add up.  I don't believe for a moment that had Sami gone off as Mark claims that he wouldn't have been in touch with his son during that period.

Is there any evidence at all which could point to Mark's innocence?

All the testimonials on his website scream psychopathic traits IMO... http://www.freemarkalexander.org/testimonials/

Though it's unlikely most, if not all of those people who've written them will know what a classic psychopath is (as was once the case for some of us)

It's clear that Mark's website is controlled by him and he's clearly a highly manipulative individual IMO.

Apparently one of the neighbours wrote the following:

“Mark was a very pleasant young man. I couldn’t imagine how he became so nice after having the father he did”.


The fact is he didn't! His mask slipped when he lost all control and murdered his elderly father.

I'd like to see the full transcripts of Marks police interviews.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Fact Checker on December 27, 2018, 04:44:19 PM
This isn't proof that Sami was alive in October.  He failed to keep medical appointments and was uncontactable after mid August.

http://www.freemarkalexander.org/serious-case-review/

This was a claim that the prosecution knew, or should reasonably have known, to be false. They had gathered evidence during a Serious Case Review which directly contradicted what they were saying at trial. Sami was, it turns out, habitually elusive and uncontactable.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on December 28, 2018, 01:17:28 PM
http://www.freemarkalexander.org/serious-case-review/

This was a claim that the prosecution knew, or should reasonably have known, to be false. They had gathered evidence during a Serious Case Review which directly contradicted what they were saying at trial. Sami was, it turns out, habitually elusive and uncontactable.

Regardless of being contactable, everyone leaves a trail behind unless they are dead.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on December 28, 2018, 01:28:47 PM
Regardless of being contactable, everyone leaves a trail behind unless they are dead.

I couldn’t agree more. Sami had several mobile phones so there will be data on them showing his whereabouts. One thing still troubles me. Mark took the hub from the house in order to set up the internet at his flat in London leaving his dad with no internet. Mark worked in computers so must have known that when you set up a new contract you are provided with a hub. This is usually delivered the next day. Mark claims not to have known this which I find worrying.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on December 28, 2018, 01:37:28 PM
I couldn’t agree more. Sami had several mobile phones so there will be data on them showing his whereabouts. One thing still troubles me. Mark took the hub from the house in order to set up the internet at his flat in London leaving his dad with no internet. Mark worked in computers so must have known that when you set up a new contract you are provided with a hub. This is usually delivered the next day. Mark claims not to have known this which I find worrying.

Very interesting Daisy. Mark obviously knew more than he has ever admitted to. He also knows that the moment his family starts to question his actions is the moment this pretence falls apart.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Myster on December 28, 2018, 04:18:05 PM
I couldn’t agree more. Sami had several mobile phones so there will be data on them showing his whereabouts. One thing still troubles me. Mark took the hub from the house in order to set up the internet at his flat in London leaving his dad with no internet. Mark worked in computers so must have known that when you set up a new contract you are provided with a hub. This is usually delivered the next day. Mark claims not to have known this which I find worrying.
Apparently Mark found Sami's main mobile phone in their car when he returned to London on the 5th Sept.  It went flat two days later and was returned to be recharged on his next trip back home. Police found that one during a house search, along with a number of empty boxes belonging to other phones.  No mention of those being found though.

I'm not sure if Mark needed to buy any new contract and hub, if the home PC was a shared one as claimed.  Maybe FC will clarify?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Myster on December 29, 2018, 07:38:12 AM
Is that a black electric cable, leading from a metal back box fixed on the house wall to what appears to be a grey PVC tube then to some sort of underground meter or junction box covered with rectangular patch of gravel / concrete on the lower left?

Or is it fibre-optic cable for a new broadband installation?

(https://i.ibb.co/pdWLfLs/3.jpg)
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Myster on December 29, 2018, 07:52:46 AM
Are these bags of sand in the garage, and if so, are / were they the same type used to create the three mortar layers?

(https://i.ibb.co/Vwvv4Tf/bags.png)
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on December 29, 2018, 08:36:15 AM
Apparently Mark found Sami's main mobile phone in their car when he returned to London on the 5th Sept.  It went flat two days later and was returned to be recharged on his next trip back home. Police found that one during a house search, along with a number of empty boxes belonging to other phones.  No mention of those being found though.

I'm not sure if Mark needed to buy any new contract and hub, if the home PC was a shared one as claimed.  Maybe FC will clarify?

Of course he needed his own hub. This is relevant to your individual contract. When you ask BT to set up an internet connection to your property you receive an email giving you all the terms of the contract. They also inform you that they will be delivering your hub within two or three days. Your IP address is unique to your contract at the property where you live. Mark phoned me yesterday and I raised this issue with him and he still told me he had no idea how this works. It has nothing to do with the computer at the family home which was shared. I just don’t buy his story. There was no need for him to remove the hub from the family home.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on December 29, 2018, 12:35:57 PM
Is that a black electric cable, leading from a metal back box fixed on the house wall to what appears to be a grey PVC tube then to some sort of underground meter or junction box covered with rectangular patch of gravel / concrete on the lower left?

Or is it fibre-optic cable for a new broadband installation?

(https://i.ibb.co/pdWLfLs/3.jpg)

All these building materials to carry out hard landscaping but I bet Sami Alexander never bought any of it?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Myster on December 29, 2018, 03:10:54 PM
All these building materials to carry out hard landscaping but I bet Sami Alexander never bought any of it?
From past experience of employing building contractors, when I wasn't doing the job myself, it's usually they who have an account at a local builders' merchant to buy all the materials needed, then you pay the contractor when the job is finished.  Perhaps through being parsimonious and such a controlling personality, Sami insisted on purchasing these goods himself.


From Mark Alexander's website:


Dad always got several quotes for the same job. He’d pick out labourers advertising in the windows of newsagents, in the Thompsons Local Directory, or who had been recommended to him. So, in late 2009 for example:


18 June: Dad purchased bricks and building materials for delivery to the house.
9 August: Wood Machinist RH replaced the side door frame and side door to the garage and gave dad a quote for fencing.
12 August: Landscape Gardener AH visited the house to mow the lawn.
21 August: Dad purchased more fencing and building materials.
30 August: Another Landscape Gardener, AB, visited the house to give dad a quote for block paving and relaying a patio.
4 September: Tree Surgeon GB visited the house to give dad a quote for reducing a willow tree.
5 September: I drove dad to a local builders’ merchant, where he met Tool Hire Manager KS.


We identified more than 40 contractors and labourers who my father had hired over the years. Contacting them has not yielded any new information, however, and we will need the public’s help to work out who may have been involved.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Angelo222 on December 29, 2018, 03:30:42 PM
From past experience of employing building contractors, when I wasn't doing the job myself, it's usually they who have an account at a local builders' merchant to buy all the materials needed, then you pay the contractor when the job is finished.  Perhaps through being parsimonious and such a controlling personality, Sami insisted on purchasing these goods himself.


From Mark Alexander's website:


Dad always got several quotes for the same job. He’d pick out labourers advertising in the windows of newsagents, in the Thompsons Local Directory, or who had been recommended to him. So, in late 2009 for example:


18 June: Dad purchased bricks and building materials for delivery to the house.
9 August: Wood Machinist RH replaced the side door frame and side door to the garage and gave dad a quote for fencing.
12 August: Landscape Gardener AH visited the house to mow the lawn.
21 August: Dad purchased more fencing and building materials.
30 August: Another Landscape Gardener, AB, visited the house to give dad a quote for block paving and relaying a patio.
4 September: Tree Surgeon GB visited the house to give dad a quote for reducing a willow tree.
5 September: I drove dad to a local builders’ merchant, where he met Tool Hire Manager KS.


We identified more than 40 contractors and labourers who my father had hired over the years. Contacting them has not yielded any new information, however, and we will need the public’s help to work out who may have been involved.

And not one was ever found who had any contact with him after he disappeared.  Mark Alexander ordered the ready-mix concrete which was wheelbarrowed in and tipped on his father's grave. The only time Mark Alexander ordered any materials was after he knew his father was dead
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: mrswah on December 29, 2018, 04:35:30 PM
Regardless of being contactable, everyone leaves a trail behind unless they are dead.

I agree, but we do not know what aliases Sami used.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Myster on December 29, 2018, 04:53:50 PM
I agree, but we do not know what aliases Sami used.
Well, someone does...

 *After my trial, dad’s father-in-law told our team that “Sami could easily accumulate enemies” (LE).


When someone has gone out of their way to cover their tracks as elaborately as my dad, trying to uncover them is fiendishly difficult. Just trying to access data from companies, banks, and mobile phone operators after someone has passed away is hard enough. We’ve contacted places like Tesco for example, to find out information about when and where dad last used loyalty cards under his ‘Samuel Alexander’ alias when, as he often did, he paid in cash rather than by card. Many have refused to disclose anything to us on the basis that the Data Protection Act only applies to ‘living individuals’. We’ve also approached bodies like HMRC and the UK Cards Association for details about investigations conducted into my father’s affairs, and whether they have evidence as to known associates, linked accounts, and so on. We haven’t had any luck there yet either, for the same reason, so we will need to seek a court order to compel them to release this vital data to us.
Legally speaking then, we can only get at his other aliases through his core alias, and only if the connection has been made. Simply approaching a company for information about x registered at y address when neither x or y are officially linked to you in any way is an impossibility. We’re essentially trying to do what the police should have done 7 years ago but without their powers, and with ever-diminishing guarantees that records will have survived. When we made enquiries with BT and EE we discovered that cell site data is deleted after 12 months and bills after 2 years – “these records are not copied as archived tapes, nor stored on any other media”. Crucial evidence has thus already been lost and could still be trickling away.
‘Samuel Alexander’ was a name first adopted by my father in 2004, though I can find no record of a deed poll certificate. It looks like he gradually transferred assets from his birth name to ‘Samuel Alexander’ over the next 4 years or so. Dad was originally christened ‘Sami Fahmi Yacoub El-Kalyoubi’ and many of his aliases were simply variations of this. As far as I know, with one exception, he always used the first name Sam, Sami, Samuel, or Simon in real life (though he was more inventive online). The full list of known surnames is:


Alexander, El-Kalyoubi (http://www.rottenborough.org.uk/SamiElKalyoubi.html), Kaloubi, Yacoub, Jacob, Wahba, Boshra, Demetrius, Fernandez.

‘Fernandez’ being the exception in which he used the forename ‘Carlos’ instead of one beginning with ‘S’, and ‘Jacob’ where ‘Karl’ has been used on occasion.*


http://www.rottenborough.org.uk/SamiElKalyoubi.html (http://www.rottenborough.org.uk/SamiElKalyoubi.html)
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*From MA's official website, to make for easier reading.

 
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on December 29, 2018, 11:24:02 PM
If Mark Alexander is to be believed, his father was a veritable James Bond figure.  Sadly however, I think the reality was much simpler.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Angelo222 on December 31, 2018, 01:02:22 PM
If Mark Alexander is to be believed, his father was a veritable James Bond figure.  Sadly however, I think the reality was much simpler.

For an allegedly intelligent guy he certainly comes up with some sad excuses.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Fact Checker on January 02, 2019, 11:01:41 AM
Apparently Mark found Sami's main mobile phone in their car when he returned to London on the 5th Sept.  It went flat two days later and was returned to be recharged on his next trip back home. Police found that one during a house search, along with a number of empty boxes belonging to other phones.  No mention of those being found though.

That's right, only one of Sami's mobile phones was ever found. Without knowing what SIM card was used in each of the others, the empty boxes only tell us so much.

The home PC was shared between Mark and Sami, with separate logins.

I'm not sure if Mark needed to buy any new contract and hub, if the home PC was a shared one as claimed.  Maybe FC will clarify?

Mark was a software designer, not a hardware technician. He had never set up his own broadband contract before, so wasn't really familiar with the process. Delays by BT and Orange, meant the broadband in London was only connected on 26 October. Mark returned the home hub on his next visit home in November.

We have gathered evidence that conclusively establishes Sami's use of 6 aliases, and investigations are ongoing into 5 more.

http://www.freemarkalexander.org/faq/#financial
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Fact Checker on January 02, 2019, 11:12:06 AM
If Sami was living in the family home at any time between September and November 2009 then his utility and internet accounts will reflect that fact.  I look forward to them being posted.

http://www.freemarkalexander.org/faq/#electricity

Following suggestions from this Forum, we checked Sami's electricity and water usage between July and December 2009. The records don't give a week by week account of his usage, but analysis of the trend over that quarter is certainly consistent with Sami being alive in mid-October, since the rates of consumption did not fall during September at all. This fits with the pathologists' findings that Sami could indeed have been alive in mid-October, and the three independent sightings of him over that period so far.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Fact Checker on January 02, 2019, 11:23:54 AM
It [The Serious Case Review] would have been looked at and that is part of the reason the police came to the conclusion that Sami was murdered in August.

http://www.freemarkalexander.org/serious-case-review/

One would certainly like to think so. Three of the police officers involved in Mark's case sat on this Serious Case Review, which met 5 times before and during Mark's trial. The Review was convened on 16 June 2010, at the request of the police, before the trial had started. It was, for all the world, a secret inquiry. The evidence gathered during the Review process wasn't disclosed to the defence, and they weren't even told that the Review had been launched in the first place. Neither Mark, nor Sami's family, were invited to take part in the Review process, and only found out about it a year later.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Daisy on January 03, 2019, 07:37:27 AM
That's right, only one of Sami's mobile phones was ever found. Without knowing what SIM card was used in each of the others, the empty boxes only tell us so much.

The home PC was shared between Mark and Sami, with separate logins.

Mark was a software designer, not a hardware technician. He had never set up his own broadband contract before, so wasn't really familiar with the process. Delays by BT and Orange, meant the broadband in London was only connected on 26 October. Mark returned the home hub on his next visit home in November.

We have gathered evidence that conclusively establishes Sami's use of 6 aliases, and investigations are ongoing into 5 more.

http://www.freemarkalexander.org/faq/#financial

I don’t believe this version of events. None of us are familiar with the process of setting up a broadband contract but BT are efficient and the customer receives an email following set up. This gives details of the contract, charges and when the hub will be delivered. There is also a 14 day cooling off period. Mark is not stupid so will have read through this and understood this. Also there was no need to remove the computer and hub from the family home. Why would he want to cut off his fathers contact with the outside world?  Of course Mark was unaware of his fathers sordid activities at that time. Mark worked at IBM so had use of a computer there. He was also at university and every one has a computer room for students to use complete with internet access.

What has Orange got to do with this? The contract was with BT. You don’t have an internet contract with two suppliers. Mark said his father had other access to the internet without a computer or internet access at home. Where was this and why did he not access the internet after 5th September?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Nicholas on January 03, 2019, 09:39:02 AM
http://www.freemarkalexander.org/serious-case-review/

One would certainly like to think so. Three of the police officers involved in Mark's case sat on this Serious Case Review, which met 5 times before and during Mark's trial. The Review was convened on 16 June 2010, at the request of Thames Valley Police, before the trial had started. It was, for all the world, a secret inquiry. The evidence gathered during the Review process wasn't disclosed to the defence, and they weren't even told that the Review had been launched in the first place. Neither Mark, nor Sami's family, were invited to take part in the Review process, and only found out about it a year later.

Re the Serious Case Revview

Very interesting Daisy.  It would seem that this Review does indeed drive a coach and horses through much of Mark's claims regarding events after mid August.

The claim that this cantankerous frail old man had taken off to London on his own frankly appears somewhat preposterous given the evidence by the care professionals.  It would also seem that no care assistants were ever employed by Samuel despite the direct payments being made to him.  It would also appear that Mark was indeed withdrawing these funds for his own use.

From this Review it is established that the last time Samuel had any verifiable contact with any care professionals was mid August 2009 which would coincide with the claims by police.

It would be interesting to hear Mark's response to this Review?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Fact Checker on January 03, 2019, 11:16:40 AM
Re the Serious Case Review

Hi Nicholas, please see our response to John on an earlier thread:

As I think we revealed on another thread, Mark's lawyers recently tracked down one of the household assistants Sami had hired to work for him. She had approached the police in February 2009, but no statement was ever taken. She had been working at Sami's home in August 2009, and confirmed that there were other people working there too. She was unable to identify who they were however, which brings us back to square one. Who were they, and why have they never come forward?
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Fact Checker on January 03, 2019, 02:44:31 PM
Is that a black electric cable, leading from a metal back box fixed on the house wall to what appears to be a grey PVC tube then to some sort of underground meter or junction box covered with rectangular patch of gravel / concrete on the lower left? Or is it fibre-optic cable for a new broadband installation?

This is an electric cable that would have provided power to lights and a water feature in the area under construction (where the pallets of bricks are). You can see the other end of it coming out infront of the brick pallets.

The phone line is actually on the far right of the house in this picture, underneath the window where the metal plate is (behind the potted bush).

(http://www.freemarkalexander.org/wp-content/gallery/mark/3.jpg)

All these building materials to carry out hard landscaping but I bet Sami Alexander never bought any of it?

Sami bought all of these materials. The largest purchases appear in his account statements. The most recent ones were:

18 June 2009: This was the pallet of bricks you can see on the front drive, and other building materials. These were delivered to the house by truck.

21 August 2009: Sami collected fencing materials from the depot at Travis Perkins, and purchased building materials from Dewsons (we think this was the large blue bag of sand you can see outside the house) which were delivered to the house by truck as well.

Are these bags of sand in the garage, and if so, are / were they the same type used to create the three mortar layers?

These are bags of Kiln Dried Sand, which weren't used in the mortar. There was also a vast blue canvas bag full of sand in front of the house, with still more nearly finished bags to the rear (see below). Despite this abundance of building materials, one of the unusual findings to come from the Chartered Engineer and Geologist was that "these materials would differ from those found in the mortar samples. The cement in the mortar is a completely different formulation and the sand is coarser in terms of silica content".

In other words, none of the sand or cement bags that you can see on the site appear in the mortar mix in which Sami was buried.

(http://www.freemarkalexander.org/wp-content/gallery/mark/4.jpg)

(http://www.freemarkalexander.org/wp-content/gallery/mark/7.jpg)
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on January 03, 2019, 02:51:24 PM

(http://www.freemarkalexander.org/wp-content/gallery/mark/4.jpg)

(http://www.freemarkalexander.org/wp-content/gallery/mark/7.jpg)

Despite this abundance of building materials, one of the unusual findings to come from the Chartered Engineer and Geologist was that "these materials would differ from those found in the mortar samples. The cement in the mortar is a completely different formulation and the sand is coarser in terms of silica content".

In other words, none of the sand or cement bags that you can see on the site appear in the mortar mix in which Sami was buried.

If that was indeed the case then Mark obviously purchased a mortar mix elsewhere on at least two occasions, quite possibly Postcrete or something similar, which only requires water to be poured over it in situ with no mixing required.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: John on January 03, 2019, 02:58:35 PM
That's right, only one of Sami's mobile phones was ever found. Without knowing what SIM card was used in each of the others, the empty boxes only tell us so much.

The home PC was shared between Mark and Sami, with separate logins.

Mark was a software designer, not a hardware technician. He had never set up his own broadband contract before, so wasn't really familiar with the process. Delays by BT and Orange, meant the broadband in London was only connected on 26 October. Mark returned the home hub on his next visit home in November.

We have gathered evidence that conclusively establishes Sami's use of 6 aliases, and investigations are ongoing into 5 more.

http://www.freemarkalexander.org/faq/#financial

What relevance has Sami using aliases have to his murder and burial at home?  Many people use different names depending on who they are interacting with and many foreigners adopt English names when they come to live and work in the UK and only use their real name when conversing with others of the same ethnic and cultural background.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Fact Checker on January 03, 2019, 03:15:12 PM
If that was indeed the case then Mark obviously purchased a mortar mix elsewhere on at least two occasions, quite possibly Postcrete or something similar, which only requires water to be poured over it in situ with no mixing required.

There is no evidence that Mark made any such purchases. He also lacked the necessary skill to mix and lay the mortar to a consistently professional standard across all three layers. Most importantly though, he lacked the time. It's impossible to physically place him at the scene long enough to carry everything out. A lot of work has gone into stress testing this conclusion, and it doesn't break. This is one of the key elements of his upcoming appeal.

What relevance has Sami using aliases have to his murder and burial at home?  Many people use different names depending on who they are interacting with and many foreigners adopt English names when they come to live and work in the UK and only use their real name when conversing with others of the same ethnic and cultural background.

But eleven different names? Registered at different GPs, to different addresses, enrolling Mark at different schools as a child? Perpetrating credit and benefit frauds across three counties?

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?usp=sharing&mid=1KA3FOKs9h4rHVnYRoVBGS1AxegcQzcx0

His aliases are relevant to identifying alternative suspects. There is a strong possibility that he was killed as a direct result of his activities under an alias.

His aliases are also relevant in explaining how he was able to go off-grid, access alternative sources of money, and use alternative means of communication.

Please see the thread below for more:

The police have a duty to pursue all reasonable lines of inquiry, whether they point towards or away from the suspect. In practice however, with time constraints and fiscal pressures, this tends not to happen. Focus is drawn to avenues of inquiry which implicate the suspect in order to strengthen the likelihood of a successful conviction...
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on January 07, 2019, 03:37:37 PM
There is no evidence that Mark made any such purchases. He also lacked the necessary skill to mix and lay the mortar to a consistently professional standard across all three layers. Most importantly though, he lacked the time. It's impossible to physically place him at the scene long enough to carry everything out. A lot of work has gone into stress testing this conclusion, and it doesn't break. This is one of the key elements of his upcoming appeal.

But eleven different names? Registered at different GPs, to different addresses, enrolling Mark at different schools as a child? Perpetrating credit and benefit frauds across three counties?

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?usp=sharing&mid=1KA3FOKs9h4rHVnYRoVBGS1AxegcQzcx0

His aliases are relevant to identifying alternative suspects. There is a strong possibility that he was killed as a direct result of his activities under an alias.

His aliases are also relevant in explaining how he was able to go off-grid, access alternative sources of money, and use alternative means of communication.

Please see the thread below for more:

A James bond type character? A spy?  it is possible that he was murdered due to one of his alieses. If it was a contract killing then what contract killer would go to the bother of moving his body and burying it at his home?

I also find the idea that Mark being A software engineer wouldn't know how to set up a hub or internet access. At uni he would have to do basic IT which includes: security, networking, databases etc. And even more importantly as a software engineer he would be able to remove all the data from the pc for anlysis.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Fact Checker on January 08, 2019, 10:38:42 AM
I don’t believe this version of events. Mark is not stupid so will have read through this and understood this. Why would he want to cut off his fathers contact with the outside world?

At trial, Mark explained that his father insisted he took the hub with him because he felt Mark would need it for his studies and running his business. We know that this couldn't have been Sami's only means of accessing the internet. His other phones and devices enabled him to maintain the connections he needed or wanted.

What has Orange got to do with this? The contract was with BT. You don’t have an internet contract with two suppliers. Mark said his father had other access to the internet without a computer or internet access at home. Where was this and why did he not access the internet after 5th September?

The phone line was reconnected by BT on 13 October, and operated by them. The broadband service was provided by Orange (via the BT line) and activated on 26 October, as you can see in these attachments.

I also find the idea that Mark being A software engineer wouldn't know how to set up a hub or internet access. At uni he would have to do basic IT which includes: security, networking, databases etc. And even more importantly as a software engineer he would be able to remove all the data from the pc for anlysis.

Mark studied law at university, not computer science, but he was running his own software business at the time. Mark isn't saying that he didn't know how to set it up, only that he didn't know whether Orange provided customers with a hub or not, since he hadn't taken out a contract with them before. The assumption Daisy rightly makes about the BT service doesn't automatically apply to everyone else.
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Nicholas on February 13, 2020, 06:03:32 PM
Mark Alexander
@MA_Campaign
Jan 9
4 self-employed carers registered under fake identities N. Chalk, J. Mullis, R. Read, A. Harvey were working at Sami's house when he was murdered. They've never been traced or identified & weren't making insurance or tax contributions
@BBCScotland
 #MargaretFleming #MurderTrial

https://mobile.twitter.com/MA_Campaign/status/1215274419914002433

Wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn these were written by Mark Alexander and the reasons he claims they are ‘registered under false identities’ is because they are false identities he created
Title: Re: Why did Mark lie claiming his father was living with friends in London?
Post by: Fact Checker on April 22, 2020, 04:08:44 PM
Wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn these were written by Mark Alexander and the reasons he claims they are ‘registered under false identities’ is because they are false identities he created

Hi Nicholas. The evidence we have shows that Sami began using these aliases two years before his death, in 2007, and that he filed the returns himself. We also know that he met several times with People's Voices to go over these returns in person with them:

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“Up until December 2008, Mr Alexander completed his direct payment submission forms and the reconciliation form himself. However, during December 2008, I was contacted by him asking me to complete the forms on his behalf. I then attended his home address and on my arrival I was shown to Mr Alexander’s bedroom by his son… Mr Alexander was a little rude to me, so I said to him ‘you have had the rest, now you have got the best’, and from that point we got [on] a lot better. On this occasion I completed his forms covering July to September 2008. I attended his address again in exactly the same circumstances on 24 February 2009… The last occasion I attended his address was 28 April 2009…”

Sami had also taken out Employer's Liability Insurance with Ansvar in September 2008, a fact not known at trial.

An investigative journalist was able to trace one of the people who had been working at Sami's house at this time, who confirmed she had seen other people working there, that she had been paid in cash, and that she was never asked to sign any receipts. This suggests Sami wrote them out himself for the benefit of filing returns.