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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Billy Middleton and the death of his daughter in a house fire at Brae, Shetland Isles. => Topic started by: Admin on March 04, 2012, 05:54:09 PM

Title: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Admin on March 04, 2012, 05:54:09 PM
This is William (Billy) Alexander Middleton who was cleared of murdering his baby daughter by setting fire to his home at Brae, Shetland Isles in September 2008. Middleton was also cleared of attempted murder in respect of two other children, namely, his son and step daughter and of sexual assault on his wife.   The trial was held at the High Court in Aberdeen in March 2009.

This house fire was somewhat unique in that two separate fires were started in the family home almost simultaneously.  Three independent fire investigators came to the same conclusion that the fires were started deliberately.  Middleton was alone in the house with the three children asleep upstairs when the fires started.  The two elder children raised the alarm but were unable to extract the baby from her cot.  They alerted Middleton who put them outside before locking both external doors.  He was later discovered by firemen lying in the foetal position in his bed in a downstairs bedroom whilst baby Annalise died from smoke inhalation in her upstairs bedroom.

Middleton refers to himself as a 'wrongly accused person' and later went on to form the Wrongly Accused Person Organisation which he runs from his parents home in Lerwick.  His co Director in the organisation is author and recent PHD student, Dr Sandra Lean from Edinburgh.



(http://i.imgur.com/My9vx.jpg)

Billy Middleton with Annalise before her death.



Billy Middleton writes:

"On the 20th September 2008 a fire broke out in my home while I lay in bed sleeping. After I woke with the fire alarm, I left my bedroom to find the hallway full of dark smoke and could hear my eldest 2 children screaming upstairs. I could see no flames but instantly knew from the considerable amount of smoke that urgent evacuation was the only appropriate action. When I reached the bottom of the stairs I could barely make out my son and daughter standing at the top, huddled together in terror. I shouted to them “You have to get out now!” but only my elder daughter started to come down, my son was stiff with fear and wouldn’t move so I hurried up the stairs until I could reach him. By the time I’d grabbed him and made my way back down my daughter was standing at the outside door, I opened it and she went out beckoning her brother but he wouldn’t slip me, his arms clinging around my neck for all he was worth.

After prising him free and putting him on the path outside I told them both I had to go back for my 9 month old daughter Annalise and went back in closing the door to keep air out. Unfortunately my son was desperate to stay with me and followed me in so I had to put him out again and shouted ‘You have to go, I’ll be back in a minute’, but again he came in. So I put him outside a final time and locked the door so he couldn’t come in again.

Although only a short time had passed, the level of smoke was now significantly worse. I could barely see at all and my eyes were beginning to sting badly. Each breath caught my throat as I tried to climb the stairs to reach Annalise. But the smoke seemed to be funnelling up the stairway and by the time I reached what must have been a point near the top, breathing was impossible and due to the thick smoke and the effect it had on my eyes I could see absolutely nothing. Despite acting on instinct I knew I had to go back for clean air and try again, I knew if I went on I wouldn’t make it. By this time the smoke I had inhaled had obviously begun to affect me mentally as I have no clear recollection of descending the stairs.I do have a vague memory after of picking myself up trying to move forward but bumped into a wall. I couldn’t understand why there was a wall there; I couldn’t keep my eyes open at all as they felt like the extreme welders flash I’d suffered a few months prior. It was as if I was lost, completely disorientated and I began to panic, terror had set in I had no idea where I was, how to get to air or how to get my baby. I was later found back in my bedroom on the bed by firemen but have no memory vague or otherwise how I got there, all I do know is I wasn’t leaving that house without my baby!

Sadly by the time the firemen arrived and recovered Annalise, and despite the very best efforts of the paramedics she could not be revived and was pronounced dead at the scene. Now I live with a feeling of failure for not being able to reach her, the time she needed me most I let her down by not managing and I have lived with that pain every day since and doubt that will ever stop. She was my precious angel, I failed and now no matter how hard each day I wish it, I can’t ever have my baby back."



http://www.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/about-billy-middleton
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Admin on March 04, 2012, 05:55:57 PM
In relation to his website Middleton writes...

At the time I began writing this website, I had recently been acquitted of 1 charge of indecent assault, 1 charge of murder and 2 charges of attempted murder. A case which obviously attracted significant media interest and one which should never have passed the first hurdle. The reasons as to how I can say this will become clearer as the site develops however at the time of writing there are legal processes underway which limit exactly which details I can openly reveal. Since the individuals and departments responsible deserve to be investigated fairly without prejudice (a privilege I was never afforded), there are obviously restrictions on what actions or details I can be specific about however I will endeavour to paint as full a picture as possible in the meantime with a view to highlighting factors which can cause innocent people to be vilified and become victims of the justice system intended to protect us all.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Admin on March 04, 2012, 06:03:08 PM
Quote from: Billy Middleton
My baby daughter died in house fire and I got the blame - the story of William Middleton.

William Middleton tells me his tragic experiences with wrongful conviction.

Links to video parts 1 and 2  (http://veronicafryd.blogspot.com/2011/06/confessional-interview-video-william.html)

I am William Middleton. In 2008 I was accused of murdering my baby daughter and attempted murder of my son and step daughter.

After the fire, I returned home from hospital to my broken family in Shetland. One Saturday morning I was taken to the police station and arrested. They thought I started the fire. It was as if someone reached in and took the life out of me.

That was when I started to find out how rotten and corrupt the whole justice system is. Everything that they did was designed to break me. They took me into a cell where they made me strip completely naked. I still do not understand why. It was degrading and humiliating. When they questioned me later I thought that all I had to do was tell the truth and everything would be alright.

They were aggressive and relentless, whenever I thought it was over, they would start all over again. 'You do realise we are doing our job,' they said, 'if you could think of anything else that could help us then we can maybe get through this quicker.'

Then I would be taken back to the very first question: 'Why did you kill Annalise?' 'This is Scotland,' they told me, 'We don't have to provide a solicitor for six hours.'

The officers interrogated me for all of six hours before putting me in a cell. My son's statement confirmed everything that I had been saying despite the fact that he was only three at the time. The prosecution told my legal team that if they wanted to use it, they would have to call him in court.

My six-year-old daughter was interviewed on her own, without any breaks, or an adult with her. The interview was not recorded. Every time she told them what happened, they would spend hours on what they called ‘bringing her back to the truth.’

They were trying to catch the children on their own in their schools. My 14-year-old niece had three interviews each lasting seven hours. She described the officer as a bully and putting words into her mouth. She has been badly affected by it, despite that she was denied counselling. She started self harming. She has since been treated in a psychological unit because she has tried to commit suicide six times.

And it’s all because of an ashtray...

My niece (2) was staying over that night with two friends. They asked if I could get them some drink. I was not keen on the idea, but I agreed to get them two small bottles of WKD to share. Everybody was having a good time, just group of girls having girly chats. One of them said that she did not think that boys found her attractive so we all kept reassuring her and I made a silly comment that 'I would be'. I just meant to give her some confidence but my wife got upset about it and left the house to calm down. My niece (2) went after her. Before going to bed I texted my wife saying 'please just come back, I love you'.

The next thing I knew I woke up with the fire alarm going off. I could hear the children screaming. I could see smoke coming through the gap in the door from the hallway. I opened the door and could feel the heat and saw thick dark smoke. I went to the bottom of the stairs, looked up and could just make out Christina and James standing there. I shouted, 'you've got to get out!' Christina came down but James was scared stiff. I went up, grabbed him and got him outside. I said, 'I'm going back in to get Annalise'. Going back inside, I closed the door to keep James out. By now the smoke was much worse but I had to go up the stairs again. I think I made it to the top, but I could not breathe. My eyes were stinging and I was choking... I knew I was not going to make it. The last thing I remember is trying to pick myself up after falling down the stairs. Then I woke up in the hospital.

One officer made herself look as if she would be there to support us, but we found out that she, the most senior officer on the night, was the one who took Annalise and dumped her into a cell. My dead baby was just dumped in a dirty cell with graffiti.

At one point the social workers told my wife that if she continued to support me they would put James and Christina on the Child Protection List. All designed to turn my own wife against me, and make her believe that I had done it.

They later offered to drop the charges and replace them all with one charge of Culpable homicide (1) with a recommended six year sentence. I refused, and they added a charge of sexual abuse of my wife. It was proven in court that this was not even physically possible, but she had still been led to believe that I had done it.

It is easy to accuse somebody of anything, but it is very difficult to prove innocence. I was eventually acquitted, and after I was released from court I set up a website called “Wrongly Accused Person” to try to help people who were going through the same as I did. There has never been a day that I felt I have done enough. As long as I believe that somebody is innocent, I won't give up because I know how it is to be in that cell knowing that you haven't done it.

Links to video parts 1 and 2  (http://veronicafryd.blogspot.com/2011/06/confessional-interview-video-william.html)

Link to YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgm90_-ZItc&feature=related)
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: insider on March 04, 2012, 06:04:51 PM
Strange how two fires caught hold at exactly the same time in such a tiny house and yet Middleton was supposed to sleep through it.  If it had been left to him the other two kids would have perished in the smoke as well.  What sort of a fruit cake goes back to sleep in the midst of a raging fire and leaves a baby to smother in an upstairs bedroom??
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: John on May 17, 2012, 08:17:42 PM
There is much to be reinstated on this story since Jackie Preece threatened ProBoards and made them take down the old forum.

There is one fact which has certainly never before been publicised about Billy Middleton and the events which took place on the evening prior to the fire which claimed the life of Annalise.

On the eve of the fire (Friday 19 September 2008), a local newspaper, the Shetland Times, carried a story about a young local girl who had gone on to do well at University.  It featured a photograph of her standing proudly in her robes.  That girl was the former girlfriend of Billy Middleton prior to his relationship and marriage to Kareen Anderson. Kareen remembers a copy of the newspaper being placed on Annalise's pram on the evening prior to the blaze.

I can also share with you the fact that Kareen was due to take up a place on a Psychology course just three days after the fire which killed her daughter. I will leave you all to work out the significances for yourselves.

Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Kevin Craigie on May 19, 2012, 01:59:13 AM
 ?>)()<   I was there when he gave his so called speech. It was like listening to someone reading their depositions. He went on and on and on. I had to keep going outside to make sure my Dog was ok. Something bothered me though and then it dawned on me when I sat back down to listen to him. I concluded that he was lying.

I met him briefly, he was chilling.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: John on May 19, 2012, 02:10:59 AM

I don't know if you are aware but his ex wife and the mother of the child who died in the fire has raised a civil case against him which is currently sitting with Lerwick Sheriff Court.  I can reveal that Billy has been refused legal aid to contest this action so he could very well be left in the situation of having to defend himself in court this time...probably with the support of his former partner, para-legal and co director of the Wrongly Accused Person Org., Miss Sandra Lean.

A successful civil action could very well see him back in the High Court on reinstated murder and sexual assault charges.

In Scotland, the Double Jeopardy (Scotland) Act was passed unanimously by MSPs in March 2011. The Scottish Justice Secretary, Kenny MacAskill, has said,

"This is a victory for common sense. In this day and age, people shouldn't be able to walk free from court and subsequently boast with impunity about their guilt.

"If new evidence emerges which shows the original ruling was fundamentally flawed, it should be possible to have a second trial. And trials which are tainted by threats or corruption should be re-run.

"Prosecutors should not have their hands tied, and these legislative changes will ensure that in such cases there will be no escape from justice."

The new legislation came into force on Monday 28 November 2011.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: John on May 19, 2012, 10:58:30 PM

Ray hasn't disappeared - just not posting on the forums; like myself and a few others....



so whos posting this stephanie?

I think Stephanie intended to say that she isn't posting often rather than not at all.  Anyway I am sure she has more important things to be spending her time on now since this will be Simon's last opportunity to clear his name.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Kevin Craigie on May 20, 2012, 01:58:02 PM
 ?{)(**

Yes John, I have followed the progress regarding the civil action and I am aware of the possible conclusions. I am informed that he is not very popular in Scotland.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: John on May 23, 2012, 12:56:10 PM
?{)(**

Yes John, I have followed the progress regarding the civil action and I am aware of the possible conclusions. I am informed that he is not very popular in Scotland.

Popular?  I don't think anyone outside of Lerwick knows who he is anyway.  An anonymous admin on a website and a forum, he never posts using his real name any more and hasn't done so for years.  I have heard of low profiles before but if his was any lower he would be a snake.   @)(++(*

Undoubtedly the imminent civil case in which he is the respondent will enhance his reputation somewhat.  From what I hear though he is trying like hell to get out of that one.  So much for his boast after the first criminal trial that he would pursue every opportunity to clear his name.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Kevin Craigie on May 23, 2012, 01:48:36 PM

Last year I was messaged by someone claiming to be a Journalist from The Daily Record (Scottish national newspaper) when I had justifiably criticised him. (I publicly questioned his skills and experience to be in a position to offer complex legal advice to people). They are apparently interested in the case.

This week I have been spending hours trying to trace and obtain concrete evidence in preparation for my next challenge. I honestly believe that anyone unjustly convicted of such a horrendous crime as murder would if necessary work constantly to clear their name. It does dictate your life, like a virus but you get on with it. He is apparently trying to silence the plaintiff ! I would be welcoming such an opportunity to explain myself and educate those who had doubts.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: John on June 24, 2012, 05:28:23 AM
Father cleared of baby fire death.

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45586000/jpg/_45586709_williammiddleton_226.jpg)


A father has been cleared of murdering his baby daughter by setting fire to the family home in Shetland after a row with his wife.

A jury at the High Court in Aberdeen took two hours to decide that the case against 33-year-old William Middleton was not proven.

His nine-month-old daughter Annalise died in the fire in September last year in the village of Brae.

Charges that he tried to murder two other children were also not proven.

On leaving court, Mr Middleton said: "I am very relieved that it's all over. That's all I have to say."

In a statement his estranged wife Kareen Middleton said she believed justice had not been done.

She said: "The fire investigators explained how there were two fires deliberately set in our house. One of those fires took my daughter's life.

"I was not at the house when this happened. For that I will never forgive myself."

The trial heard how Mr Middleton and his wife had been drinking with a 14-year-old niece and two of her friends on the night of the fire.

The jury was told a row had broken out after Mrs Middleton overhead her husband telling one of the girls: "I wish I'd met you before I met my wife."

She stormed out, and Mr Middleton said he later went to bed.

He claimed he was woken by an alarm and emerged from his bedroom to find the house full of smoke.

He led two older children to safety, but said the smoke was too thick for him to reach the baby's room.

Firefighters arrived to find a fire burning in the hall and smoke billowing from the windows.

Using breathing apparatus they carried Annalise from the building but were too late to save her life.

Mr Middleton, who was found in a downstairs room, was seriously ill when he was taken to hospital.

A fire investigator told the trial it was "almost certain" fires had been started deliberately in the hall and a downstairs bedroom.

But Defence QC Jack Davidson cast doubt on that evidence, and said there was no forensic evidence to suggest his client had caused the fire.

He said the jury was being asked to believe Mr Middleton had "morphed" from a family man to a "fiend" in a matter of hours.

Local councillor Alastair Cooper said the baby's death had devastated the community.

"We couldn't believe that such a thing could happen to a young baby. We are trying to get the community back together, to heal the pain," he said.

"Hopefully the community will get back together and learn to deal with it. We'll never forget, but we'll learn to deal it."

A charge that William Middleton sexually assaulted a woman at various dates at another address was also found not proven.

In a statement Northern Constabulary said: "Officers carried out a full and thorough investigation into the death of Annalise Middleton.

"It was a committed and professional investigation by a team who explored all possible lines of enquiry.

"This is a particularly tragic case given the age of the child and our thoughts are clearly with Annalise's family."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/7954920.stm
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: devils advocate on June 29, 2012, 05:08:00 PM
When are you going to update this topic admin?   I really enjoyed reading about this fraud.   8-)(--)
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Admin on June 29, 2012, 05:09:37 PM
When are you going to update this topic admin?   I really enjoyed reading about this fraud.   8-)(--)

That case is being worked on by John.  I think he is waiting on the civil case against Middleton to be confirmed.  We will keep you advised.   ?>)()<
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Joanne on July 02, 2012, 05:02:55 PM
Poor little girl  8)><(
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: John on August 19, 2012, 10:07:30 PM
I have been updated by my sources in Shetland in relation to the upcoming civil case being brought against Billy Middleton by his ex wife.

I am told that legal aid are delaying making a decision on the case but it is hoped that funding will be in place very soon.

Readers may like to know that Billy Middleton had done his level best to thwart this civil case and has created every possible obstruction to the legal aid application made by his ex wife. 

I can also confirm that the legal aid board refused Billy Middleton legal aid to defend the case.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: cindy on August 19, 2012, 10:11:29 PM
I have been updated by my sources in Shetland in relation to the upcoming civil case being brought against Billy Middleton by his ex wife.

I am told that legal aid are delaying making a decision on the case but it is hoped that funding will be in place very soon.

Readers may like to know that Billy Middleton had done his level best to thwart this civil case and has created every possible obstruction to the legal aid application made by his ex wife. 

I can also confirm that the legal aid board refused Billy Middleton legal aid to defend the case.
what is the civil case about if I may ask >>   8**8:/:
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: John on August 19, 2012, 10:23:50 PM
I have been updated by my sources in Shetland in relation to the upcoming civil case being brought against Billy Middleton by his ex wife.

I am told that legal aid are delaying making a decision on the case but it is hoped that funding will be in place very soon.

Readers may like to know that Billy Middleton had done his level best to thwart this civil case and has created every possible obstruction to the legal aid application made by his ex wife. 

I can also confirm that the legal aid board refused Billy Middleton legal aid to defend the case.
what is the civil case about if I may ask >>   8**8:/:

You will have to read the background to the Middleton case Cindy.  Good to have you back again!   8((()*/

The civil case is basically a continuation of the criminal case which saw him cleared on the Scottish 'not proven' verdict.

His ex wife has no option but to seek redress through the civil courts for the death of their baby daughter in a double arson house fire which she claims Middleton started.  There are also sex abuse charges which will undoubtedly be revisited.

You may also like to know that Middleton's former lover Sandra Lean is backing him against his ex wife even though she has personally experienced his antisocial behaviour first hand.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: cindy on August 19, 2012, 10:30:30 PM
thanx john   8((()*/
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Milly on August 20, 2012, 11:56:32 AM
I have been updated by my sources in Shetland in relation to the upcoming civil case being brought against Billy Middleton by his ex wife.

I am told that legal aid are delaying making a decision on the case but it is hoped that funding will be in place very soon.

Readers may like to know that Billy Middleton had done his level best to thwart this civil case and has created every possible obstruction to the legal aid application made by his ex wife. 

I can also confirm that the legal aid board refused Billy Middleton legal aid to defend the case.
what is the civil case about if I may ask >>   8**8:/:

You will have to read the background to the Middleton case Cindy.  Good to have you back again!   8((()*/

The civil case is basically a continuation of the criminal case which saw him cleared on the Scottish 'not proven' verdict.

His ex wife has no option but to seek redress through the civil courts for the death of their baby daughter in a double arson house fire which she claims Middleton started.  There are also sex abuse charges which will undoubtedly be revisited.

You may also like to know that Middleton's former lover Sandra Lean is backing him against his ex wife even though she has personally experienced his antisocial behaviour first hand.

From what I understand the jury in the Billy Middleton murder case were left with no option but to return a not proven verdict as it was basically his word against hers even though the police had been called to their home on previous occasions due to his behaviour.   Wasn't there some sort of note left by Middleton in the mussel sheds which mysteriously disappeared after the fires?   >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: John on August 20, 2012, 12:41:46 PM
The following is a reproduction of a post made by Marina Thomason posting as Sunniva Gunn on the Glasgow innocence forum.



Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:12 pm   

Sunniva Gunn writes...

I'm going to write out the following text and ask what people make of it.

This was found on a computer and appears incomplete.

The date is not on the printed copy but it was written in May 2007 when Kareen had left Billy and gone to Brae with the kids.


Quote:   
Although not written on any official document, these are my last will and testimonies.  I hope in the event of my premature death,  should any court proceedings take place, that they be considered legally binding.  To ensure authenticity of this text, I provide certain information which could only be known by myself, that is to say that some parts may be known by some members of the following text, but none by all.

It seems prudent to stipulate these facts from the onset, thus eliminating any confusion or legal rambling of which I do not wish.

Facts.

1.  No one will probably know the fact that I have even written this.  This file will be hidden in a location on the hard disk of this pc and on a physical copy, the location of which is known hopefully only by the medical professionals whom attend me, and any subsequent legal authority whom has interest in my death.  These details will be included on my person at all times.  In the event that I am taken from this world through some destructive force which renders my wallet unfindable, a second proof of authenticity can be found at C & A Thomasons Mussel shed, cullivoe pier, cullivoe, yell. These are by way of an exact copy of this testimont.  To be found above the 2nd H-beam in the depuration shed.  Though not immediately obvious, the location of this second duplicate document is known by anyone searching my known locations.

2.   
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Milly on August 20, 2012, 12:44:16 PM
The following is a reproduction of a post made by Marina Thomason posting as Sunniva Gunn on the Glasgow innocence forum.



Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:12 pm   

Sunniva Gunn writes...

I'm going to write out the following text and ask what people make of it.

This was found on a computer and appears incomplete.

The date is not on the printed copy but it was written in May 2007 when Kareen had left Billy and gone to Brae with the kids.


Quote:   
Although not written on any official document, these are my last will and testimonies.  I hope in the event of my premature death,  should any court proceedings take place, that they be considered legally binding.  To ensure authenticity of this text, I provide certain information which could only be known by myself, that is to say that some parts may be known by some members of the following text, but none by all.

It seems prudent to stipulate these facts from the onset, thus eliminating any confusion or legal rambling of which I do not wish.

Facts.

1.  No one will probably know the fact that I have even written this.  This file will be hidden in a location on the hard disk of this pc and on a physical copy, the location of which is known hopefully only by the medical professionals whom attend me, and any subsequent legal authority whom has interest in my death.  These details will be included on my person at all times.  In the event that I am taken from this world through some destructive force which renders my wallet unfindable, a second proof of authenticity can be found at C & A Thomasons Mussel shed, cullivoe pier, cullivoe, yell. These are by way of an exact copy of this testimont.  To be found above the 2nd H-beam in the depuration shed.  Though not immediately obvious, the location of this second duplicate document is known by anyone searching my known locations.

2.   



In all honesty that sounds like someone who just isnt the full shilling dont you think??   8-)(--)
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: John on August 20, 2012, 12:48:04 PM
I should add that this was found on Billy Middleton's old computer by his ex wife after his trial for murder and sex abuse.  She also found the evidence on the same computer of his illegal pyramid selling scam when he boasted on the internet that if you invest £25 you are guaranteed a return of £25,000.  I wonder how many idiots fell for that one?

Sandra Lean has gone on record to support this pyramid selling scam referring to it as being legal.  I ask you?

I understand the police have now seen the computer in question.

You can read all about the scheme and Middleton here. (http://simplybillymiddleton.myfreeforum.org/The_Pyramid_Investment_Scam_operated_by_Billy_Middleton_about4.html)
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Joanne on September 04, 2012, 05:22:59 PM
I'm not sure if this is 'the' Billy Middleton or not, my apologies if it's not-:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgm90_-ZItc&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkvTzBBGzN0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpMBN3qnHN0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n718Obiqbo

Yes, they are all of Billy.

Admin
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: John on September 04, 2012, 06:11:07 PM
Those are the correct videos Joanne.    8((()*/
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: John on December 22, 2012, 03:39:57 AM
My sources tell me that the civil case against Billy Middleton has been postponed indefinitely due to difficulties with legal aid.  Undoubtedly, Mr Middleton will be aghast that a further opportunity has been lost to prove his innocence.

However, it may be too soon to pop the champagne corks as I am also advised that his ex wife intends to make certain information public which would have otherwise been presented as part of her civil action.  We look forward to seeing this information in due course.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Padgates staff on December 22, 2012, 03:09:25 PM
I'm sorry to hear this, I don't know enough about the Scottish system to help her either, it's a pit nobody is willing help her on a pro bono arrangement.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: John on December 22, 2012, 06:09:21 PM
I'm sorry to hear this, I don't know enough about the Scottish system to help her either, it's a pit nobody is willing help her on a pro bono arrangement.

Might be worth a try Joanne.  Surely there are some decent lawyers in Lerwick willing to take this on?
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Padgates staff on December 22, 2012, 06:33:35 PM
It could do them a lot of good (credibility) and really it's free advertising too.
If I knew the this lady I'd write to the solicitors in Lerwick on her behalf, I have no shame in asking for free assistance in a case like this, they can only say no!
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: beaufoy on January 17, 2013, 09:40:50 AM
Hello everyone
              I have been writing to sandra on the jeremy bamber site. The thread is Imiela thread if you wish to read. Most people do not understand the simple DNA evidence says Imiela is innocent, but sandra understands this, but claims DNA evidence can't be trusted. I also pointed out finger print evidence says Imiela is innocent, and sandra said that might be flawed as well, but she can't explain how both sets of evidence at the same time can be flawed.
  I sent a letter to her asking for details of her charity accounts, but received no answer

               
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Angelo222 on January 17, 2013, 10:53:00 AM
Hello everyone
              I have been writing to sandra on the jeremy bamber site. The thread is Imiela thread if you wish to read. Most people do not understand the simple DNA evidence says Imiela is innocent, but sandra understands this, but claims DNA evidence can't be trusted. I also pointed out finger print evidence says Imiela is innocent, and sandra said that might be flawed as well, but she can't explain how both sets of evidence at the same time can be flawed.
  I sent a letter to her asking for details of her charity accounts, but received no answer

               

Let's face it beaufoy, you would get a straighter answer from a lump of coal.   Your correspondent has never managed to reverse any potential miscarriage of justice case and is doomed to failure in her pet project, the Luke Mitchell case.

As for he charity status you can check it up quite easily with the Scottish Charities Commission under Wrongly Accused Person Org.

Ps. Here is a link. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=357.msg7681#msg7681
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Angelo222 on January 17, 2013, 11:33:27 AM
I have just had a look at the scottish charities regulator site and it appears that mss lean hasn't yet made her returns.

https://www.oscr.org.uk/search-charity-register/charity-extract/?charitynumber=sc041953
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Padgates staff on January 17, 2013, 12:04:14 PM
I seem to remember a while ago, the charity asking for donations/sponsorship but I don't know of any cases they actively support to be honest. The cases they have on their site are JENGbA sponsored (to my knowledge), I think they're mainly there to pass people onto relevent 'care' like the Bristol innocence project, United against injustice etc.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: John on January 17, 2013, 12:19:41 PM
I seem to remember a while ago, the charity asking for donations/sponsorship but I don't know of any cases they actively support to be honest. The cases they have on their site are JENGbA sponsored (to my knowledge), I think they're mainly there to pass people onto relevent 'care' like the Bristol innocence project, United against injustice etc.

All they do is give false hope to familys.  A whole team of lawyers and investigators couldn't possibly do justice to all those cases so what hope has a mussel farmer and a student? That walk for justice which Middleton was going to do was yet another damp squid.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Padgates staff on January 17, 2013, 12:33:13 PM
I think really a lot of these miscarriage groups are really self-help groups that tell the lay person what they should do to help themselves and their legal team as apose to 'come here and we'll do it for you'.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: John on January 17, 2013, 02:46:17 PM
I think really a lot of these miscarriage groups are really self-help groups that tell the lay person what they should do to help themselves and their legal team as apose to 'come here and we'll do it for you'.

I totally agree Joanne but many start out thinking that they are going to change the world overnight and end up in an almighty big mess just like our pal KC's did.  It is best genuine miscarriage of justice cases don't have any contact with these muppets at all.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Sandy on January 17, 2013, 03:34:00 PM
The sad truth is that many of these organisations do more harm than they do good imo.   You only have to look at their membership to realise that they are tiny and have little following.



I think really a lot of these miscarriage groups are really self-help groups that tell the lay person what they should do to help themselves and their legal team as apose to 'come here and we'll do it for you'.

I totally agree Joanne but many start out thinking that they are going to change the world overnight and end up in an almighty big mess just like our pal KC's did.  It is best genuine miscarriage of justice cases don't have any contact with these muppets at all.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Padgates staff on January 17, 2013, 03:37:05 PM
The only 'good' thing I can say is the advice from UAI is helping one of my pen-friends because it's given ideas he'd not thought of, aside that it would be interesting to find out if at any time, any group has got a person out of prison, a retrial or something else.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: beaufoy on January 18, 2013, 05:08:52 AM
I have just had a look at the scottish charities regulator site and it appears that mss lean hasn't yet made her returns.

https://www.oscr.org.uk/search-charity-register/charity-extract/?charitynumber=sc041953

I did know this when I wrote her the letter, I also knew that I am entitled to write and ask for a return. Changing the subject a little Sandra's friend Middleton got off as follows. The main evidence that he was responsible for the fire was that an expert testified that the fire was started at two locations, but middletons defence stated the expert was wrong...what evidence was submitted which suggested the expert was wrong or lying
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Padgates staff on January 18, 2013, 06:22:53 AM
Beaufoy,
I don't think you're going to get the answere you desire, you can ask but I think it's probably futile.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: John on January 18, 2013, 02:56:07 PM
I have just had a look at the scottish charities regulator site and it appears that mss lean hasn't yet made her returns.

https://www.oscr.org.uk/search-charity-register/charity-extract/?charitynumber=sc041953

I did know this when I wrote her the letter, I also knew that I am entitled to write and ask for a return. Changing the subject a little Sandra's friend Middleton got off as follows. The main evidence that he was responsible for the fire was that an expert testified that the fire was started at two locations, but middletons defence stated the expert was wrong...what evidence was submitted which suggested the expert was wrong or lying

I believe there were three teams of experts involved and one of them worked for the defence.  All three agreed that the fires started in two different locations and had not started accidentally.  I personally believe the jury were confused to the extent that they didn't know what to believe in th end.  It was Billys word against his wifes in relation to the abuse and even though the police had been called to the house on previous occasions, 'not proven' verdicts were returned.

I agree beaufoy that it was all very strange.  I believe the prosecution failed badly in this case and the jury were misled by a practised conman and actor.  There is much that we now know about Middleton and his dubious activities.  Sandra Lean knows only too well what he is truly like following events in Edinburgh but she chooses to say nothing. Many some day she will tell the truth!

Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: John on January 18, 2013, 03:05:00 PM
One other point beaufoy.  As a member of the public you are entitled to a copy of the charity's annual accounts directly from them.  If they fail to respond as you have indicated then you have the right to get them directly from the Regulator.

Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator (OSCR)
Tel: 01382 220446 | Fax: 01382 220314 | Mail:  2nd Floor, Quadrant House, 9 Riverside Drive, Dundee, DD1 4NY
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Real justice on May 08, 2018, 05:42:59 PM
?>)()<   I was there when he gave his so called speech. It was like listening to someone reading their depositions. He went on and on and on. I had to keep going outside to make sure my Dog was ok. Something bothered me though and then it dawned on me when I sat back down to listen to him. I concluded that he was lying.

I met him briefly, he was chilling.
Quite true, when you actually see them face to face,  you can tell from facial expressions, his speech would also lack emotional dimension.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Pritix on June 02, 2018, 10:56:11 PM
I know mr Middleton and he has a trail of abused girlfriends, people he owes money to and is never responsible for anything he does to others.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Real justice on June 12, 2018, 10:05:29 PM
I know mr Middleton and he has a trail of abused girlfriends, people he owes money to and is never responsible for anything he does to others.
Thanks for that Pritix, it’s the sort of view I have of him.  Felt really sorry for his wife Kareen, seems he was flirting with girls at the time.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Nicholas on July 14, 2019, 12:58:34 AM
My niece (2) was staying over that night with two friends. They asked if I could get them some drink. I was not keen on the idea, but I agreed to get them two small bottles of WKD to share. Everybody was having a good time, just group of girls having girly chats. One of them said that she did not think that boys found her attractive so we all kept reassuring her and I made a silly comment that 'I would be'. I just meant to give her some confidence but my wife got upset about it and left the house to calm down. My niece (2) went after her. Before going to bed I texted my wife saying 'please just come back, I love you'.

How many versions of this were there?
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Chris_Halkides on March 27, 2020, 12:55:45 PM
Are any of the fire investigators' reports available?
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Myster on March 27, 2020, 01:15:57 PM
Are any of the fire investigators' reports available?
I doubt whether there are any online now, if they ever were, after such a long time.  Certainly none on the forum.

An interview with Billy Middleton, if you haven't seen it before here...

http://veronicafryd.blogspot.com/2011/06/confessional-interview-video-william.html (http://veronicafryd.blogspot.com/2011/06/confessional-interview-video-william.html)
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Chris_Halkides on March 27, 2020, 01:26:51 PM
John Lentini is one of the top fire investigators in the United States.  Here is a good article on potential errors in investigations:

https://abcnews.go.com/2020/fire-arson-myths-misunderstandings/story?id=10540364
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Chris_Halkides on March 29, 2020, 08:37:31 PM
A great deal stands or falls on the question of whether there were multiple origins.  If a fire reaches flashover and continues to burn, determining the origin of the fire is much more difficult.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Chris_Halkides on April 08, 2020, 07:51:48 PM
https://globalwrong.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/nightmare-on-lime-street1.pdf
The Lime Street Fire in Florida, USA is a comparable case in at least one respect, that one of the children survived.  The experiments that grew out of this case are important in the history of fire investigation.  This is a thorough article.
EDT
I had the wrong link in previously, but I fixed it.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Myster on April 08, 2020, 08:25:29 PM
https://echo360.org/media/ad2ecaa9-da23-4da2-8a9a-d871b4827bb8/public (https://echo360.org/media/ad2ecaa9-da23-4da2-8a9a-d871b4827bb8/public)
The Lime Street Fire in Florida, USA is a comparable case in at least one respect, that one of the children survived.  The experiments that grew out of this case are important in the history of fire investigation.  This is a thorough article.
Phew Chris, that's deep... have you got the correct link?
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Chris_Halkides on April 09, 2020, 11:00:13 PM
https://globalwrong.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/nightmare-on-lime-street1.pdf
My bad.  That was not the correct link, but I changed it and supplied it again above.  Here is one of the more surprising results of the Lime Street experiments:

"The team then staged a second fire — one to test the theory of arson. They put new furnishings in the living rooms, made repairs to the structure, then poured the exact amount of gasoline that was missing from the bleach bottle in the Mazda on the floors. A firefighter lit the gasoline from outside the house. That fire also combusted in the living room and flew up the stairs, but it took about a minute longer than in the first scenario."

In other words, use of the putative accelerant (gasoline) did not speed up the progress of the fire up the stairs.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Chris_Halkides on April 19, 2020, 06:22:58 PM
I have now read several news reports covering the testimony of the fire investigator, Stuart Mortimore.  Nothing was said about his looking for or finding accelerants, which leads me to believe that none were found if they were looked for.  Whether or not the fire reached flashover was not discussed in any article that I found. 
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Nicholas on April 19, 2020, 06:30:50 PM
“The force had to fly detectives from their major crime investigation team over from the mainland following the “gruesome” slaying - believed to be the third homicide investigation in 50 years on the island”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/shetland-murder-mum-two-40-18803364
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Nicholas on April 19, 2020, 06:45:46 PM
I have now read several news reports covering the testimony of the fire investigator, Stuart Mortimore.  Nothing was said about his looking for or finding accelerants, which leads me to believe that none were found if they were looked for.  Whether or not the fire reached flashover was not discussed in any article that I found.

Nothing was ever said by Billy Middleton about the cat either - never

https://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2009/03/09/man-goes-on-trial-accused-of-murdering-baby-daughter
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Myster on April 19, 2020, 07:25:48 PM
Nothing was ever said by Billy Middleton about the cat either - never

https://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2009/03/09/man-goes-on-trial-accused-of-murdering-baby-daughter (https://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2009/03/09/man-goes-on-trial-accused-of-murdering-baby-daughter)
Was this Middleton's house, 1 Burgadale, Brae. which got on fire?...

https://www.google.com/maps/@60.3984351,-1.3479636,3a,48.8y,311.7h,81.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srE_6aO16GHrZt7zKNVJEdQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@60.3984351,-1.3479636,3a,48.8y,311.7h,81.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srE_6aO16GHrZt7zKNVJEdQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1+Burgadale,+Brae,+Shetland+ZE2+9SR/@60.3989378,-1.3515666,17z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x489ee55b9ff8ba49:0x174c58518170f3a5!8m2!3d60.3985324!4d-1.3481548 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/1+Burgadale,+Brae,+Shetland+ZE2+9SR/@60.3989378,-1.3515666,17z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x489ee55b9ff8ba49:0x174c58518170f3a5!8m2!3d60.3985324!4d-1.3481548)
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Nicholas on April 19, 2020, 07:51:20 PM
Was this Middleton's house, 1 Burgadale, Brae. which got on fire?...

https://www.google.com/maps/@60.3984351,-1.3479636,3a,48.8y,311.7h,81.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srE_6aO16GHrZt7zKNVJEdQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@60.3984351,-1.3479636,3a,48.8y,311.7h,81.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srE_6aO16GHrZt7zKNVJEdQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1+Burgadale,+Brae,+Shetland+ZE2+9SR/@60.3989378,-1.3515666,17z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x489ee55b9ff8ba49:0x174c58518170f3a5!8m2!3d60.3985324!4d-1.3481548 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/1+Burgadale,+Brae,+Shetland+ZE2+9SR/@60.3989378,-1.3515666,17z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x489ee55b9ff8ba49:0x174c58518170f3a5!8m2!3d60.3985324!4d-1.3481548)

Don’t know.

The BBC refer to a house on ‘the Moorfield Estate in Brae’ and their photo is of a different aspect of the house

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/7626714.stm
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Myster on April 19, 2020, 08:00:27 PM
Don’t know.

The BBC refer to a house on ‘the Moorfield Estate in Brae’ and their photo is of a different aspect of the house

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/7626714.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/7626714.stm)
Yes it is. This is the view of the back garden of 1 Burgadale and it's exactly the same as the photo in the BBC report...

https://www.google.com/maps/@60.398902,-1.3481751,3a,53y,201.31h,87.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOeKQaar3Pk0qBCwVfDBOCA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@60.398902,-1.3481751,3a,53y,201.31h,87.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOeKQaar3Pk0qBCwVfDBOCA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Nicholas on April 19, 2020, 08:08:33 PM
Yes it is. This is the view of the back garden of 1 Burgadale and it's exactly the same as the photo in the BBC report...

https://www.google.com/maps/@60.398902,-1.3481751,3a,53y,201.31h,87.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOeKQaar3Pk0qBCwVfDBOCA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@60.398902,-1.3481751,3a,53y,201.31h,87.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOeKQaar3Pk0qBCwVfDBOCA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

So it is. Am guessing the ‘Gray’ building is this place https://www.jwgray.co.uk/
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Chris_Halkides on April 19, 2020, 08:13:22 PM
"He [Stuart Mortimore] said: 'The hall had been subjected to a relatively sustained fire. The only evidence of fire damage was under the stairs.'"  I am having trouble reconciling these two sentences with each other.

The same article continued, "He ruled out the hall fire sparking the blaze in the bedroom. And he claimed the possibility of electrical items causing the fire was 'extremely remote'."  This raises an obvious question, namely, whether or not the bedroom fire could have sparked the hallway fire.

There is nothing in this article nor any other that I have read which discussed ignition sources or hydrocarbon or other accelerants.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Myster on April 19, 2020, 08:18:30 PM
So it is. Am guessing the ‘Gray’ building is this place https://www.jwgray.co.uk/ (https://www.jwgray.co.uk/)
I don't quite follow... where's this reference to the Gray building?
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Nicholas on April 19, 2020, 08:26:26 PM
I don't quite follow... where's this reference to the Gray building?

On the last google link you posted - to the left hand side of the house, down the road, near the water - ‘Gray & co’
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Nicholas on April 19, 2020, 08:28:39 PM
Was this Middleton's house, 1 Burgadale, Brae. which got on fire?...

https://www.google.com/maps/@60.3984351,-1.3479636,3a,48.8y,311.7h,81.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srE_6aO16GHrZt7zKNVJEdQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@60.3984351,-1.3479636,3a,48.8y,311.7h,81.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srE_6aO16GHrZt7zKNVJEdQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1+Burgadale,+Brae,+Shetland+ZE2+9SR/@60.3989378,-1.3515666,17z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x489ee55b9ff8ba49:0x174c58518170f3a5!8m2!3d60.3985324!4d-1.3481548 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/1+Burgadale,+Brae,+Shetland+ZE2+9SR/@60.3989378,-1.3515666,17z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x489ee55b9ff8ba49:0x174c58518170f3a5!8m2!3d60.3985324!4d-1.3481548)

I completely missed the address details in the article I posted here - the ‘dead cat’ report distracted me

Nothing was ever said by Billy Middleton about the cat either - never

https://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2009/03/09/man-goes-on-trial-accused-of-murdering-baby-daughter

“The court heard that Middleton was rescued from the house during the fire on September 20 last year but his baby daughter Annalise was pronounced dead at the scene.

Independent fire investigator Stuart Mortimore said an investigation found that two separate fires had been started “deliberately” in the hall and ground floor bedroom.

He said: “The hall had been subjected to a relatively sustained fire. The only evidence of fire damage was under the stairs.”

He ruled out the hall fire sparking the blaze in the bedroom. And he claimed the possibility of electrical items causing the fire was “extremely remote”.

He said the bottom of the bedroom curtains had been destroyed which was consistent with fire being ignited and set against the curtain.

His investigations also found that fire spreading from the hallway would have caused damage to the ceiling of the room.

However, the 55-year-old said: “Mr Middleton was reportedly found on the bed in the bedroom. Neither he nor his clothes exhibited heat damage.”

Mr Mortimore said that a dead cat was found in one of the upstairs bedrooms during the investigation.

He told the court the local authority owned house had suffered extensive fire damage, particularly on the ground floor.

He said: “When two fires are started at the same time, the only explanation is that the fires were started deliberately.

“These fires are separate and distinct. Deliberate ignition is the only likely cause for these fires.”


Advocate depute Jock Thomson asked: “Both fires in your conclusion were deliberately set?

Mr Mortimore replied: “Yes.”
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Nicholas on April 19, 2020, 08:35:56 PM
"He [Stuart Mortimore] said: 'The hall had been subjected to a relatively sustained fire. The only evidence of fire damage was under the stairs.'"  I am having trouble reconciling these two sentences with each other.

The same article continued, "He ruled out the hall fire sparking the blaze in the bedroom. And he claimed the possibility of electrical items causing the fire was 'extremely remote'."  This raises an obvious question, namely, whether or not the bedroom fire could have sparked the hallway fire.

There is nothing in this article nor any other that I have read which discussed ignition sources or hydrocarbon or other accelerants.

Did you know about the cat Chris?

I only recall the story about the rabbits
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Myster on April 19, 2020, 08:36:28 PM
"He [Stuart Mortimore] said: 'The hall had been subjected to a relatively sustained fire. The only evidence of fire damage was under the stairs.'"  I am having trouble reconciling these two sentences with each other.

The same article continued, "He ruled out the hall fire sparking the blaze in the bedroom. And he claimed the possibility of electrical items causing the fire was 'extremely remote'."  This raises an obvious question, namely, whether or not the bedroom fire could have sparked the hallway fire.

There is nothing in this article nor any other that I have read which discussed ignition sources or hydrocarbon or other accelerants.
It depends what he meant by fire damage.  Burnt wood of the staircase underside, strings or treads?  Smoke-stained plaster under the staircase?  You really need a plan of the house to figure it out, I think.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Nicholas on April 19, 2020, 08:37:11 PM
It depends what he meant by fire damage.  Burnt wood of the staircase underside, strings or treads?  Smoke-stained plaster under the staircase?  You really need a plan of the house to figure it out, I think.

Can we find a plan of the house ?
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Myster on April 19, 2020, 08:44:41 PM
Can we find a plan of the house ?
You might be able to... you find everything else!  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Myster on April 19, 2020, 09:15:16 PM
You might be able to... you find everything else!  @)(++(*
There's a similar house, 8 Gossaford, Brae. for sale on the same estate with some interior views and plans here...

http://www.anderson-goodlad.com/property-sale/8-gossaford/ (http://www.anderson-goodlad.com/property-sale/8-gossaford/)

https://www.google.com/maps/@60.3986836,-1.3489235,3a,75y,35.33h,87.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sk7JUw5K87mjpSSuvwFv5Pg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@60.3986836,-1.3489235,3a,75y,35.33h,87.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sk7JUw5K87mjpSSuvwFv5Pg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Nicholas on April 19, 2020, 09:24:46 PM
There's a similar house, 8 Gossaford, Brae. for sale on the same estate with some interior views and plans here...

http://www.anderson-goodlad.com/property-sale/8-gossaford/ (http://www.anderson-goodlad.com/property-sale/8-gossaford/)

https://www.google.com/maps/@60.3986836,-1.3489235,3a,75y,35.33h,87.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sk7JUw5K87mjpSSuvwFv5Pg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@60.3986836,-1.3489235,3a,75y,35.33h,87.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sk7JUw5K87mjpSSuvwFv5Pg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

There are photos available somewhere on the forum - possibly in hidden threads ? Don’t know if you have access to them or if you’ll need to message Admin or John
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Admin on April 19, 2020, 09:45:52 PM
Was this Middleton's house, 1 Burgadale, Brae. which got on fire?...

https://www.google.com/maps/@60.3984351,-1.3479636,3a,48.8y,311.7h,81.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srE_6aO16GHrZt7zKNVJEdQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@60.3984351,-1.3479636,3a,48.8y,311.7h,81.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srE_6aO16GHrZt7zKNVJEdQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1+Burgadale,+Brae,+Shetland+ZE2+9SR/@60.3989378,-1.3515666,17z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x489ee55b9ff8ba49:0x174c58518170f3a5!8m2!3d60.3985324!4d-1.3481548 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/1+Burgadale,+Brae,+Shetland+ZE2+9SR/@60.3989378,-1.3515666,17z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x489ee55b9ff8ba49:0x174c58518170f3a5!8m2!3d60.3985324!4d-1.3481548)

Yes

https://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2009/03/13/baby-showed-no-signs-of-life-after-fire-murder-trial-hears

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45036000/jpg/_45036898_77b9481b-18c3-49bf-b16a-2c103f19ab89.jpg)
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Nicholas on April 19, 2020, 10:11:59 PM
19th April 2009 ‘Fury as dad of Annalise Middleton sets up website for wrongly accused’
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/fury-as-dad-of-annalise-middleton-sets-1019199

billy middleton
@wronglyaccuseds
1 May 2011
Do you accept the manipulation of child witnesses to achieve a knowingly wrongful conviction of another? http://gopetition.com/petitions/safeguard-child-witnesses.html… via
@GoPetition

119 signatures https://www.gopetition.com/petitions/safeguard-child-witnesses.html

billy middleton
@wronglyaccuseds
13 Jun 2009
Arranging meeting with legal representatives and generally not having the time I need to do what needs done!

https://mobile.twitter.com/wronglyaccuseds
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Nicholas on April 19, 2020, 10:57:35 PM
Billy Middleton’s first ever tweet on twitter (using his actual name)
billy middleton
@wronglyaccuseds
13 Jun 2009
Arranging meeting with legal representatives and generally not having the time I need to do what needs done!

https://mobile.twitter.com/wronglyaccuseds
11th June 2009 - To admin@wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk

Hi Billy, I have been given your website details by Sandra Lean who wrote about my husband Simon in her book 'No Smoke'. She thought it a good idea that I get in touch with you as you may be able to offer Simon and myself help in bringing him home.

This is his 2nd tweet

billy middleton
@wronglyaccuseds
11 Jul 2009
Adding related products to the site's pages to help fund our activities.

Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Chris_Halkides on April 20, 2020, 01:32:50 AM
I heard that the cat died.  Was there something else?

The passage on Mr. Mortimore's testimony that is quoted upthread is similar to others that I have read.  Mr. Mortimore offered only conclusions, not the supporting information.  As I indicated nothing that Mr. Mortimore said explains why the fire could not have started in the bedroom and moved to the hall.  Nor is it obvious that Mr. Mortimore correctly identified the location where the fire started within the bedroom.  As I said before, this is much more difficult to do once a fire reaches flashover and continues to burn.  In another article that I read he said that he worked via process of elimination.  This is not always wrong, but it has a dubious history in fire investigations.  For some discussion on this point see this link:  https://sealimited.com/uploads/source/News_Events/IDQ-2015-02-Watson.pdf
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Chris_Halkides on May 12, 2020, 04:02:04 AM
I have been reading a chapter in the book Forensic Science Reform written by John Lentini.  Mr. Lentini quoted a portion of NFPA [National Fire Protection Association] 921:

24.2.1.2 Separate fires that are not caused by multiple deliberate ignitions can result from the following:
1.  fire spread by conduction, convection, or radiation
2.  fire spread by flying brands
3.  fire spread by direct flame impingement
4.  fire spread by falling flaming materials (i.e.m drop-down), such as curtains
5.  fire spread through shafts, such as pipe chases or air conditioning ducts
6.  fire spread within wall or floor cavities within “balloon construction’
7.  overloaded electrical wiring
8.  utility system failures
9.  lightning
10. rupture and launching of aerosol containers

Mr. Lentini goes on to discuss the case of Han Tak Lee, who was convicted of setting a 1989 fire that was alleged to have nine separate points of origin.  He was released in 2014 after it became clear that the testimony against him was fundamentally flawed.  For one thing the room was fully involved, meaning that it had reached flashover.

I have read several news reports covering Mr. Mortimore's testimony.  There is simply not enough information to verify whether or not he eliminated all other possibilities.  Nor is there even a hint that anyone tested for an accelerant using gas chromatography/mass spectrometry.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Myster on May 19, 2020, 06:24:15 PM
I have been reading a chapter in the book Forensic Science Reform written by John Lentini.  Mr. Lentini quoted a portion of NFPA [National Fire Protection Association] 921:

24.2.1.2 Separate fires that are not caused by multiple deliberate ignitions can result from the following:
1.  fire spread by conduction, convection, or radiation
2.  fire spread by flying brands
3.  fire spread by direct flame impingement
4.  fire spread by falling flaming materials (i.e.m drop-down), such as curtains
5.  fire spread through shafts, such as pipe chases or air conditioning ducts
6.  fire spread within wall or floor cavities within “balloon construction’
7.  overloaded electrical wiring
8.  utility system failures
9.  lightning
10. rupture and launching of aerosol containers

Mr. Lentini goes on to discuss the case of Han Tak Lee, who was convicted of setting a 1989 fire that was alleged to have nine separate points of origin.  He was released in 2014 after it became clear that the testimony against him was fundamentally flawed.  For one thing the room was fully involved, meaning that it had reached flashover.

I have read several news reports covering Mr. Mortimore's testimony.  There is simply not enough information to verify whether or not he eliminated all other possibilities.  Nor is there even a hint that anyone tested for an accelerant using gas chromatography/mass spectrometry.
The size of the rooms in the Middleton house is extremely small in comparison to most local council-built houses in the US, I would think... so tiny that it would be impossible to swing a mouse let alone a cat around in. And therefore little distance for a secondary fire to spread and ignite in the hall from the initial one in Billy Middleton's ground floor bedroom.

The only way for you to progress and satisfy your curiosity, Chris, is to contact Stuart Mortimore directly to ask for his views and clarification...

https://www.burgoynes.com/about/profile/?Stuart_Mortimore (https://www.burgoynes.com/about/profile/?Stuart_Mortimore)
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Chris_Halkides on November 07, 2020, 07:42:41 PM
I asked him [Mr. Mortimore] whether or not there was a report available to the public.
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Myster on November 13, 2020, 05:06:37 AM
I asked him [Mr. Mortimore] whether or not there was a report available to the public.
Sorry, only just noticed your post.  I'm guessing the answer was negative?
Title: Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
Post by: Chris_Halkides on November 20, 2020, 10:15:30 PM
He directed me to other places to look.  That search has been negative so far.