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Considering the amount of posts that were deleted yesterday for going off the subject of Is Luke Mitchell guilty, dont see how this is relevant to what Baz posted.

Surely when considering the evidence in this case for or against guilt the source for the evidence is of high importance?
Goncalo Amaral had experienced severe financial problems and had severe debt problems long before the McCanns ever knew of his existence.

The accusation that the McCanns had taken the roof from over his head to leave him homeless is hogwash. His brother and other creditors including the bank merely took back what he owed them.

With regards to the villa that Goncalo Amaral had in Urbanizacao Cerro Azul, in Quelfes, there aren't any losses to the referred interviewee that are to be attributable to the parents of Madeleine McCann.

In fact, in 2009, there were several mortgages pending on this house as well as a registered asset freezing originating from a lawsuit brought by a brother of Goncalo Amaral against him and his wife, for, demonstrably, as stated in the sentence pronounced by the 2nd Civil Court of Family and Minors Court of the District of Seixal, having sold a house to a third party, after having received the amount they should receive for it, from the mentioned brother, who had helped them pay previous debts.

The parents of Madeleine McCann got to know about such action after their intervention in this was raised by the enforcement agent in charge, a person who also seems to have some important information about what is explained above.

About this house there were pending asset freezings originated by the tax authorities, as the interviewee in question, despite being a civil servant, had tax problems, long before the publication of the book and of the documentary.

Currently this house is owned by Banco Espirito Santo, one of the creditors, with visible credit problems with the referred interviewee, long before the publication of the book, and, therefore, the actions brought by the respondents.

All of which originated with the McCanns, it seems. It does, however, mention the freezing injunction they obtained. I wonder if it's in connection with that that compensation is being mentioned? It's customary for those freezing another's assets to pay compensation if they subsequently lose the case.

Kate and Gerald McCann respond to Goncalo Amaral Jornal da Regiao - Oeiras

From the cautionary injunction ordered by the 1st Civil Court of Lisbon, Goncalo Amaral's moiety was frozen
Considering the amount of posts that were deleted yesterday for going off the subject of Is Luke Mitchell guilty, dont see how this is relevant to what Baz posted.

.Maybe I should re-read up on it before commenting anymore. Annoying that all the information isn't in one easy to digest place.

As well as the fact key supporters of Luke Mitchell's campaign are not credible, therefore much of the information in the public domain on this case is disingenuous.

For example, nugnug over on blue claimed the following
"Jodis brother pleaded guilty to threatening to kill Sandra lean outside her own home so yes he has got a record.,551.msg115984.html#msg115984

Yet according to Sandra Lean:
(90) In the course of this study, four people were arrested for online harassment and intimidation, direct physical threats were made to at least three individuals, including death threats, photographs of individuals‟ homes and family members were posted online, and personal addresses and phone numbers were released. Police in England acted on complaints of online harassment and intimidation, whereas Scottish police refused repeatedly to do so
Silvia's trips.
She was at the apartment, someone informed her the GNR were turning up.  Then she drove over to reception, met Gerry and his friend and then they all took the GNR's car back to the apartment.
"After she arrived she went immediately to the apartment A5 where she found several people inside the apartment and outside of it. She entered in the flat but soon left without having spoken with anyone, because she was informed that elements of the GNR were in the principal reception. She went there to meet them.

When she came close to the elements of the GNR she found that behind her was
Gerry, Madeleine's father, accompanied by another man whose identity she doesn't remember.

Then Gerry kneeled down, hit the floor with both hands, positioning himself as if he were a praying Arab, and screamed twice of anger, what he said being impossible to understand. Then Gerry stand up and accompanied her (the witness) and the other man in the car of the GNR to the apartment A5."
This does not say that Silvia drove her car from G5 to OC reception.  The method of getting there is not specified.

The fact that she got in the GNR car to get from OC reception to 5A suggests she did not have her car with her, i.e. that she had walked from 5A to OC reception.
It maybe possible to identify who it was "Gerry's friend" that was in the car with the GNR.
It will have to be either Matt or Russell.
Do either of them mention the GNR turning up?

Russell says "And I think possibly Sylvia this Housekeeper, I think she came in, I think she was offering to translate at some point."  So that is distancing himself from being the one in the car with Silvia.

and later "Reply    “Yeah well I think the ones that I had, I took, you know cos obviously they were printing out, you know they were slow you know, we really wanted to get them to the Police fairly quickly, so I took the first couple of copies and took those round to, I think the GNR staff, I presume they were the origin, you know original uniformed Officers, it wasn’t the PJ, it was well before the PJ arrived, erm there were other copies printed off which I don’t know where they got to but I know that Mark WARNER, somebody in Mark WARNER made a poster, or at least an A4 err saying that there’d been, you know, there’d been a, err an abduction and that Madeleine was missing and that was circulated around the next morning, so somebody had, had, had that photograph and used it for that poster but I took, I don’t know two or three copies maybe and gave them to the Police.  I actually think ultimately there may have been more copies printed off and somebody else gave even more copies to them as well, err and I think some of the other copies were shown, were just shown to people around who were going on the searches but erm personally”."

Russell says something like delivering photos to the GNR while at the same time others still had the card reader possibly printing off more photos.  Is he blaming the selection of the poster photo on "Mark Warner" staff?

What does Matt say?  He was over at the reception when the GNR arrive and Silvia is there, and he talks about Gerry being in the car, but comes short on saying he hoped in too!

"Reply 'You are and yet people on the outside of it, erm, responded in a much more practical way, of course, they would do, but with decent suggestions about doing this, doing that, you know. But, erm, we were there about sort of eleven, ten past eleven when the GNR sort of Police arrived and there was two of them in a Police car. Somebody's asked whether the siren was on and I think the lights were flashing but I don't remember, and I may have heard the siren in the distance, but I can't recall. So they arrived just about five minutes after Gerry and I had been there. And one of the cleaning ladies I think came to translate, I think this is Sylvia or Sylvie, I'm not sure, but she was there helping, you know, saying, this is, you know, this is the father. And they put him in the car and drove back up to the apartment."

" so Fiona, I think, asked me to go and phone the Police, so I actually went down the route to where she would have gone for Nursery drop off, which his back to the, to the main reception essentially, so I went down that route looking for her at that time and I asked the reception to phone the Police, and that must have been about five past, it's difficult to know what time it was at that time, but maybe about ten past ten, five past ten, ten past ten'.


00.51.10 4078 'Quite quick then''

Reply 'Yeah, sort of pretty much, you know, straight away, erm, I think it was only, but then it was a kind of, it was surreal when you got there, I said, you've got to phone the Police, you know, a child's been taken, and they went, oh no, she's probably just sort of woken up and he thought she's probably sort of wandered off or something like that and you thought, yeah, maybe you're right, maybe you're right, erm, can you please, it was sort of, it was kind of, it was sort a weird kind of lack of urgency, you know, he'd ring, but you had to sort and stand there and say, ring now, ring now, so I don't know if they rang at that point, but certainly, erm, you know, I certainly asked them to, about perhaps sort of maybe about ten past ten maybe."

Matt definitely feels a lack of urgency to call the police.

In this next bit Matt mentions the police 5 times:
"Erm, at some point we were back and forth to the, to the reception as well. And I think what the reception probably did was ring the MARK WARNER people and say, there's somebody that's saying there's a child missing, because by that time there were lost of MARK WARNER people around, erm, and they were very good, they, you know, they obviously, you know, got there and that might have been the impetus that got them to ring the Police, if, because I understand that there is some discrepancy about when we thought we'd called the Police and when the Police were actually called and that might be that they went on the, on that route first and then went, I think it's Stuart HILL or, well the Manager, the sort of Manager got involved, that might have been when it occurred. Erm, so there was plenty of running around through the back streets and back to the apartment and then, you know, where's the, where are the Police, where are the Police, erm, and so went back down to the reception, this would have been about thirty minutes or so later, erm, back to reception, erm, and at that point, Gerry had come down as well, erm, and, erm, you know, was obviously, you know, sort of intermittently sort of calm and then completely, you know, hysterically upset, it was sort of, you know, it was sort of pretty sort of upsetting, because you didn't know what to really say, because you can't really say, you know, it's going to be okay, because, you know, you assume the worst and it's going to be particularly awful, you know, it's going, you know, some, erm, person's got, (inaudible), some xxxxxxx's got my, you know, got my daughter and she's so innocent"

So you believe that a seizure order is the same as a freezing order?
They are not quite the same thing.
So where is the evidence for the application of a freezing order by a party other than the McCanns?.

Court is with Jaguar de Gonçalo Amaral

28.10.2009 às 22h35

The Lisbon Civil Court, which this week ordered the arrest of the copyright of Gonçalo Amaral's book on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, as well as the documentary that followed, considers that the sole proprietorship created by the former coordinator of the PJ may allow Receive and make disappear the proceeds that are personally intended for the sale of books and videos.

Therefore, following the McCann family's claim for compensation, he decided through a precautionary procedure to arrest Amaral's share in the company, one-third of his salary as a manager and even the Jaguar that the former police officer leads - but that belongs to To the firm.

The car, with a displacement of 2700cc and a price of around 70,000 euros, was bought in May and registered on behalf of the company Gonçalo Amaral Unipessoal Lda., With a share capital of 5000 euros. The company, established in November last year, offers consultancy, studies and analysis in the area of ​​criminal investigation and specializes in the dissemination, promotion and communication of technical works.

Notices to publishers who published the book "Maddie - The Truth of Lies" followed earlier in the week to several countries in Europe: Italy, Holland, Denmark, Germany, Spain and France. The publisher Guerra & Paz, (which published the book in Portugal), Presslivre (owner of "Correio da Manhã" where Amaral has a weekly chronicle), Valentim de Carvalho and TVI were also notified of the arrest of the copyright Are due to the former PJ coordinator until a final decision is reached in the ongoing process.

Contacted by Expresso, Gonçalo Amaral declined to comment on the decision of the Civil Court, referring his position to a press release issued on Wednesday. In that document, the man who investigated the disappearance of Madeleine McCann fears "being unable to defend his reasons in court" and admits to face "constraints on his own defense."

Kate and Gerry McCann, who were indicted in the course of the investigation, and the three youngest children, Sean and Amelie and Madeleine, are the plaintiffs in the ongoing civil court case. They demand the former PJ inspector compensation of € 1.2 million for defamation, due to "continuous and gross" statements about the investigation of the 2007 case.

However, according to the assessment made by the court, the estate of Gonçalo Amaral does not provide sufficient guarantees for payment in case of conviction. Olhão's house - which she bought with her wife in 2002 with a loan from the BIC but is registered only in her name - was arrested in 2005 due to a debt of around 130 thousand euros.

A year later, the National Treasury registered an attachment on the house as guarantee of payment of 16900 euros. Finally, two years ago, it was BES (to which BIC belongs now) to file an executive action against the couple to collect more than 300,000 euros - a new attachment.

The book "Maddie - The truth of the Lie" was released in July 2008 and in the following two months, until the end of September, it had 12 editions, or 120,000 copies. However, in September, also by court decision, its sale had already been banned.

Gonçalo Amaral retired from the Judicial Police in June last year, after 26 years of service. At the time, he said he was leaving to have "full freedom of expression" after being removed months earlier from the investigation into the disappearance of the English child due to statements made to the media. Currently, Amaral receives a pension for early retirement of 2039 euros. The investigation into the case was closed in June 2008, without any liability being cleared from the parents of the three-year-old English girl who disappeared on 3 May 2007 in Praia da Luz.

The McCann family requires Gonçalo Amaral to pay damages of 1.2 million euros due to the book
The Lisbon Civil Court banned in September the commercialization of "Maddie - The truth of the lie"
This week the publishers who published the book and the entities with whom the former PJ coordinator collaborated were notified of the seizure of the copyright allocations
Text published in the edition of the Express of October 24, 2009

The financial mess Amaral was in long predated Madeleine McCann's disappearance in 2007 ~ I can post up the court transcript if you would like for the case taken out against him.

The pension money was not sequestered for the McCann trial ... it was owed to the Portuguese State because of non payment of taxes.

In other words the myth that the McCanns are responsible for Amaral's financial predicament are absolutely wrong and misguided ... the person responsible is the man himself.
Unfortunately as easy as it is for some to think the worst of the McCanns it seems there is a blockage of denial for any critical truth providing evidence of an Amaral who they cannot perceive of as less than perfect.
Neither did the McCanns deprive Goncalo of his pension as alleged by some.

The tax authorities as is their wont were first in the queue.

So as far as the house ~ the car ~ the pension ~ are concerned, all were arrested to pay debts to others.  Just how seriously compromised by debt was this man while a serving policeman?

As for the pension that the former inspector receives, in the amount of € 2,039.16, it's being deducted from it a percentage of less than 0.1% of the known values received by the ex-inspector for the book and documentary, which he delivered finished to his publishers even before the criminal process, which was under judicial secrecy, had been archived, thus disrespecting the ex-inspector, in this as in other aspects, duties incumbent to him, even in the situation of retirement.
Moreover, on this pension, there has previously been executed a seizure, originated in a process by the Finance Services of Olhao, for tax debts.

So you believe that a seizure order is the same as a freezing order?
They are not quite the same thing.
So where is the evidence for the application of a freezing order by a party other than the McCanns?.
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