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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: John on October 23, 2013, 11:56:36 PM

Title: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on October 23, 2013, 11:56:36 PM
This thread as its title suggests is reserved solely for posts relating to the latest news in the search for Madeleine.  The thread will be constantly monitored and any irrelevant or off topic posts will be expunged.  Thank you.


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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 25, 2013, 10:37:42 PM
Tomorrows papers ,new leads are because she is alive
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: gilet on October 25, 2013, 10:42:27 PM
Both Express and Star apparently suggesting that Madeleine McCann may well be alive and that the aim of the PJ is to reunite her with her family.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 25, 2013, 10:47:04 PM
Both Express and Star apparently suggesting that Madeleine McCann may well be alive and that the aim of the PJ is to reunite her with her family.


Both papers have said things before that mean jack ,i know the press do get inside info but hmmmmm
God this sounds so exciting doesnt it .its like being slowly prepared .

She may have already been found for all we know .

Maybe a deal has been reached with whoever they are dealing with  via the crimewatch .or maybe the crimewatch was us being fooled .


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on October 25, 2013, 11:13:28 PM
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on October 25, 2013, 11:15:27 PM
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whatever next..must say though i do think theres more to the case being opened than what they allowed to tell the public >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: xtina on October 25, 2013, 11:20:51 PM
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aw come on  .....whats this then if  the star  says maddie is alive ....it must  be  right.....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 25, 2013, 11:25:43 PM
Xrist  !  ...  what are they paying Clarence Mitchell  30K a year out of the fund for if he can't even  'media control'  this kind of sensationalist rubbish  ? 

...  unless    >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: xtina on October 25, 2013, 11:38:06 PM
Aw come on to you too .. Just posting tomorrow's front page keep your hair on ...



just out of curiosity .....do you often post the stars front page  ....

due to the fact you think  i was going to suffer  ...alopecia....by replying   to you






 


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on October 25, 2013, 11:54:45 PM


just out of curiosity .....do you often post the stars front page  ....

due to the fact you think  i was going to suffer  ...alopecia....by replying   to you

Just out of curiosity .. Are you often so rude ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: C.Edwards on October 26, 2013, 12:02:04 AM
Just out of curiosity .. Are you often so rude ?

I don't think xtina was rude there.  If you think she was, report it and let the mods deal with it instead of whining about it!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 26, 2013, 12:11:46 AM
There are lots of bickering in this forum .do the admin join in in debates ? Im new i dont know whos who i just notice people bickering like kids

There's more whinging  than usual going on at the moment for some reason  ...  and yes,  mods are as free as anyone else here to express opinions 

This forum is unique in that it is a broad church,  where  ALL   members,  providing they folllow the pretty basic rules of engagement,  are able to to put their point of view across 

Membership is rising by the day for that very reason
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on October 26, 2013, 12:18:48 AM
Can we stay on topic thanks..tomorrows news
and goodnight..


Rogerio Alves, the Portuguese attorney representing Kate and Gerry McCann, said that was the “sole aim” of the officers after reopening the investigation.

He said the detectives have finally admitted to the McCanns, both 45, that they no longer regard them as suspects.

The original investigation, which pointed the finger at the couple, both doctors, was shelved five years ago.

At a meeting with the McCanns in Portugal’s capital Lisbon, police chiefs told them they were confident the “truth will be discovered’ about their daughter’s fate”.

Details of the new line of inquiry were being kept secret by the police because the probe is at such a critical stage any leak could hamper it.


The reopening of the investigation, which was announced by Portugal’s Attorney General on Thursday, follows a two-and-a-half-year internal review of the evidence. The probe will run parallel to the ongoing Met Police inquiry.

Mr Alves said Kate and Gerry were told the “reasons why it was being reopened” at the meeting with Portuguese and British police last week.

He said: “They also know that this new line of inquiry excludes any responsibility of the parents.

“What it means is that the police understand there are new avenues that should be explored.

“This brings Madeleine’s parents a legitimate expectation, not only that the truth will be discovered, but also that it will be possible to find Madeleine alive – which is the sole aim of all the efforts they’ve been making.”

British police also believe the youngster, who disappeared from her parents’ holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007, could still be alive. They have spent two years reviewing the original case files and documents from eight teams of private detectives hired by the McCanns and said they have found no evidence she is dead.


Mr Alves, who was hired by the McCanns after they were declared suspects by the original police team, now wants them made “assistentes”, private prosecutors, in the case.

It will mean their lawyers can work with state prosecutors, and even press their own charges against suspects.

Mr Alves added the secrecy order prevented him revealing the new line of inquiry.

He said: “The police asked us specifically not to compromise the investigation and we are all obliged to respect the secrecy order

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 26, 2013, 12:21:34 AM
There's more whinging  than usual going on at the moment for some reason  ...  and yes,  mods are as free as anyone else here to express opinions 

This forum is unique in that it is a broad church,  where  ALL   members,  providing they folllow the pretty basic rules of engagement,  are able to to put their point of view across 

Membership is rising by the day for that very reason

I think its very one sided .all the old posters will end up on one forum that is going to happen without doubt .
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 26, 2013, 12:22:50 AM
Details of the new line of inquiry were being kept secret by the police because the probe is at such a critical stage any leak could hamper it.

Wow
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 26, 2013, 12:25:03 AM
Can we stay on topic thanks..tomorrows news
and goodnight..


Rogerio Alves, the Portuguese attorney representing Kate and Gerry McCann, said that was the “sole aim” of the officers after reopening the investigation.

He said the detectives have finally admitted to the McCanns, both 45, that they no longer regard them as suspects.

The original investigation, which pointed the finger at the couple, both doctors, was shelved five years ago.

At a meeting with the McCanns in Portugal’s capital Lisbon, police chiefs told them they were confident the “truth will be discovered’ about their daughter’s fate”.

Details of the new line of inquiry were being kept secret by the police because the probe is at such a critical stage any leak could hamper it.


The reopening of the investigation, which was announced by Portugal’s Attorney General on Thursday, follows a two-and-a-half-year internal review of the evidence. The probe will run parallel to the ongoing Met Police inquiry.

Mr Alves said Kate and Gerry were told the “reasons why it was being reopened” at the meeting with Portuguese and British police last week.

He said: “They also know that this new line of inquiry excludes any responsibility of the parents.

“What it means is that the police understand there are new avenues that should be explored.

“This brings Madeleine’s parents a legitimate expectation, not only that the truth will be discovered, but also that it will be possible to find Madeleine alive – which is the sole aim of all the efforts they’ve been making.”

British police also believe the youngster, who disappeared from her parents’ holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007, could still be alive. They have spent two years reviewing the original case files and documents from eight teams of private detectives hired by the McCanns and said they have found no evidence she is dead.


Mr Alves, who was hired by the McCanns after they were declared suspects by the original police team, now wants them made “assistentes”, private prosecutors, in the case.

It will mean their lawyers can work with state prosecutors, and even press their own charges against suspects.

Mr Alves added the secrecy order prevented him revealing the new line of inquiry.

He said: “The police asked us specifically not to compromise the investigation and we are all obliged to respect the secrecy order

Did the McCanns take their hired criminal lawyer  (  Alves )   into that meeting they had with Scotland Yard and Portuguese police  ...  or is  he quoting what they  (  the McCanns  ) told him had transpired  ...  do we konw  ?

I'm guessing they had a criminal lawyer present when they were  'briefed'   by police
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on October 26, 2013, 12:28:41 AM
Details of the new line of inquiry were being kept secret by the police because the probe is at such a critical stage any leak could hamper it.

Wow


yep wow!! its good things are being kept back that's the way it should be..i think all the hype on the front pages are just a smoke screen kaz....G'night
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on October 26, 2013, 12:31:41 AM
Did the McCanns take their hired criminal lawyer  (  Alves )   into that meeting they had with Scotland Yard and Portuguese police  ...  or is  he quoting what they  (  the McCanns  ) told him had transpired  ...  do we konw  ?

I'm guessing they had a criminal lawyer present when they were  'briefed'   by police

do I look like A to Z ..I would think they did though..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 26, 2013, 12:32:42 AM

yep wow!! its good things are being kept back that's the way it should be..i think all the hype on the front pages are just a smoke screen kaz....G'night
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 8-)(--) >@@(*&) yep
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 26, 2013, 12:34:21 AM
Details of the new line of inquiry were being kept secret by the police because the probe is at such a critical stage any leak could hamper it.


The reopening of the investigation, which was announced by Portugal’s Attorney General on Thursday, follows a two-and-a-half-year internal review of the evidence. The probe will run parallel to the ongoing Met Police inquiry.

Mr Alves said Kate and Gerry were told the “reasons why it was being reopened” at the meeting with Portuguese and British police last week.

He said: “They also know that this new line of inquiry excludes any responsibility of the parents.

“What it means is that the police understand there are new avenues that should be explored.

“This brings Madeleine’s parents a legitimate expectation, not only that the truth will be discovered, but also that it will be possible to find Madeleine alive – which is the sole aim of all the efforts they’ve been making.”
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 26, 2013, 12:38:36 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry-mccann-2592011

Note:  My emboldening


Madeleine McCann: Kate and Gerry McCann told they are no longer suspects by Portuguese police 26 Oct 2013 00:00

The couple were told in a police briefing last week in Lisbon where they were also updated on new leads

(http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2371779.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Kate-and-Gerry-McCann-2371779.jpg) Parents: Kate and Gerry McCann
 
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Kate and Gerry McCann have been told for the first time by the Portuguese authorities that they are no longer suspects in their daughter Madeleine’s disappearance.

The couple were told in a police briefing last week in Lisbon where they were also updated on the new leads that have been unearthed.

Their Portuguese lawyer Rogerio Alves said yesterday: “The McCanns were already informed about the reopening of the inquiry and the reasons why it was being reopened.

“They also know that this new line of inquiry excludes any responsibility of the parents.

“The Portuguese police told them this at a meeting in Lisbon last week at which British police were also present.

"What it means is that the police understand there are new avenues that should be explored.

“This brings Madeleine’s parents a legitimate expectation not only that the truth will be discovered but also that it will be possible to find Madeleine alive which is the sole aim of all the efforts they’ve been making.”


 

Portugal’s current Attorney General, Joana Marques Vidal, is the first woman ever appointed to the post.

She took over as the country’s top legal advisor in October 2012 from predecessor Fernando Pinto Monteiro after his six-year mandate came to an end.

It was still unclear last night which police force would be appointed to lead the reopened inquiry. Initial reports suggested it would be a team of Algarve-based Policia Judiciaria detectives but yesterday it appeared more likely the review team from Porto would be asked to do the job.

The detectives will work under the direction of public prosecutors based in the Algarve resort of Portimao.

Jose Magalhaes e Menezes, the public prosecutor in charge of the original investigation, is expected to oversee the reopened inquiry.

He was damning of the original probe pointing the finger at Madeleine’s parents and claimed officers under disgraced Goncalo Amaral achieved “very little” during their 15 month investigation.

He also thwarted attempts by Mr Amaral to charge the McCanns with child abandonment, leading to a souring in relations between police and prosecutors.


Mr Amaral went on to write a controversial book called ‘The Truth of the Lie’ which the McCanns are currently suing him over at an ongoing civil trial in a Lisbon court.


 
 

It also emerged last night Madeleine’s parents are set to apply to become private prosecutors - “assistentes” under Portuguese law - in the reopened criminal inquiry.

It will mean their legal team can work alongside state prosecutors so they are kept informed of all new developments and conduct their own private prosecution - running parallel to the state prosecution - against any future suspects charged over Madeleine’s disappearance.

It marks a remarkable turn-around in a case in which they were once 'arguidos' - suspects.

Their status as ‘assistentes’ would be crucial because of the secrecy order slapped on the case by Portugal’s Attorney General.

They wouldn’t have access to all case files at present because of the secrecy order as ‘assistentes’ - but would once the secrecy order is lifted.

Mr Alves said yesterday: “I will be applying for the McCanns to become assistentes in this case but don’t know yet when.

“Madeleine is the victim as well as her parents who are also her legal representatives."



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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 26, 2013, 12:40:39 AM
Details of the new line of inquiry were being kept secret by the police because the probe is at such a critical stage any leak could hamper it.


The reopening of the investigation, which was announced by Portugal’s Attorney General on Thursday, follows a two-and-a-half-year internal review of the evidence. The probe will run parallel to the ongoing Met Police inquiry.

Mr Alves said Kate and Gerry were told the “reasons why it was being reopened” at the meeting with Portuguese and British police last week.

He said: “They also know that this new line of inquiry excludes any responsibility of the parents.

“What it means is that the police understand there are new avenues that should be explored.

“This brings Madeleine’s parents a legitimate expectation, not only that the truth will be discovered, but also that it will be possible to find Madeleine alive – which is the sole aim of all the efforts they’ve been making.”

If the investigation is at such a critical stage,  and secrecy is imperative  ...  why is the McCanns criminal  lawyer talking to the press  ? 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 26, 2013, 12:42:50 AM
New avenues i cant think of any that havent been thought of
This sound good
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 26, 2013, 12:45:25 AM
So the same  Public Prosecutor has been put in charge 

....   the one who said the McCanns  'failed to prove their innocence'  by refusing to do a reconstruction  ? 

interesting
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 26, 2013, 12:46:01 AM
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Their Portuguese lawyer Rogerio Alves said yesterday: “The McCanns were already informed about the reopening of the inquiry and the reasons why it was being reopened.

“They also know that this new line of inquiry excludes any responsibility of the parents.

“The Portuguese police told them this at a meeting in Lisbon last week at which British police were also present.

"What it means is that the police understand there are new avenues that should be explored.

“This brings Madeleine’s parents a legitimate expectation not only that the truth will be discovered but also that it will be possible to find Madeleine alive which is the sole aim of all the efforts they’ve been making.”
Sounding pretty good for the Mccanns to me
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 26, 2013, 12:49:13 AM
Sounding pretty good for the Mccanns to me

I cant think of any new avenues .if she is alive i hope its gone really fast for her like it has for me .feels like last year she went missing
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on October 26, 2013, 01:03:14 AM
If the investigation is at such a critical stage,  and secrecy is imperative  ...  why is the McCanns criminal  lawyer talking to the press  ?
I've searched but found nothing about the mundane Dr Alves being present or not at the PJ headquarters. I do guess he was, he even might have organized the final talk, a sort of preamble to the request of assistant statute ("private prosecutor" !, those tabloids exceed themselves !).
DCI Redwood likely took the McCanns in his luggages so to speak.
RA was very useful as a spin doctor to convince that the PJ, miraculously, after 6 years and a half of blindness and deafness have finally understood the vanity of investigating such special victims.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on October 26, 2013, 01:08:35 AM
humble pie anyone  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on October 26, 2013, 01:12:17 AM

Hope for Gerry and Kate McCann as Portugese police are confident they will find Madeleine

PORTUGUESE police are confident they will find Madeleine McCann alive, her parents’ lawyer revealed yesterday.

By Jerry Lawton/Published 26th October 2013

HOPE: Police in Portugal have reopened the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance [PA]
 
Rogerio Alves, the Portuguese attorney representing Kate and Gerry McCann, said that was the “sole aim” of the officers after reopening the investigation.

He said the detectives have finally admitted to the McCanns, both 45, that they no longer regard them as suspects.

The original investigation, which pointed the finger at the couple, both doctors, was shelved five years ago.

At a meeting with the McCanns in Portugal’s capital Lisbon, police chiefs told them they were confident the “truth will be discovered’ about their daughter’s fate”.

Details of the new line of inquiry were being kept secret by the police because the probe is at such a critical stage any leak could hamper it.

“This new line of inquiry excludes any responsibility of the parents”
Rogerio Alves, Kate and Gerry McCann's Portugese attorney
The reopening of the investigation, which was announced by Portugal’s Attorney General on Thursday, follows a two-and-a-half-year internal review of the evidence. The probe will run parallel to the ongoing Met Police inquiry.

Mr Alves said Kate and Gerry were told the “reasons why it was being reopened” at the meeting with Portuguese and British police last week.

He said: “They also know that this new line of inquiry excludes any responsibility of the parents.

“What it means is that the police understand there are new avenues that should be explored.

“This brings Madeleine’s parents a legitimate expectation, not only that the truth will be discovered, but also that it will be possible to find Madeleine alive – which is the sole aim of all the efforts they’ve been making.”

British police also believe the youngster, who disappeared from her parents’ holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007, could still be alive. They have spent two years reviewing the original case files and documents from eight teams of private detectives hired by the McCanns and said they have found no evidence she is dead.

Mr Alves, who was hired by the McCanns after they were declared suspects by the original police team, now wants them made “assistentes”, private prosecutors, in the case.

It will mean their lawyers can work with state prosecutors, and even press their own charges against suspects.


Mr Alves added the secrecy order prevented him revealing the new line of inquiry.

He said: “The police asked us specifically not to compromise the investigation and we are all obliged to respect the secrecy order.”

http://valera.dailystar-uk.co.uk/news/latest-news/347270/Hope-for-Gerry-and-Kate-McCann-as-Portugese-police-are-confident-they-will-find-Madeleine
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 26, 2013, 01:37:40 AM
Fabulous news, all the way round. ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: gilet on October 26, 2013, 01:55:57 AM
If the investigation is at such a critical stage,  and secrecy is imperative  ...  why is the McCanns criminal  lawyer talking to the press  ?

Didn't you notice he was extremely careful not to mention anything to do with the current investigation or have you still not absorbed the information that the McCanns who he did talk about are not part of that current investigation?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: gilet on October 26, 2013, 02:16:51 AM
I've searched but found nothing about the mundane Dr Alves being present or not at the PJ headquarters. I do guess he was, he even might have organized the final talk, a sort of preamble to the request of assistant statute ("private prosecutor" !, those tabloids exceed themselves !).
DCI Redwood likely took the McCanns in his luggages so to speak.
RA was very useful as a spin doctor to convince that the PJ, miraculously, after 6 years and a half of blindness and deafness have finally understood the vanity of investigating such special victims.

This is a very sour post from you.

Inferring that DCI took the McCanns in his luggage (sic).
Guesswork without any evidence of anything.
You seem very bitter about the PJ having finally, after a two year review, realised there is no evidence of any crime by the McCanns, something we all saw as soon as the archival report was released.
And you seem very bitter about the McCanns themselves with your phrase, "special victims".

All victims of crime are special and deserve to be treated as such.


And on another matter, I have just spotted what I think is a translation error.  You may be able to help.

Am I correct in thinking that 'eles perderam' is the mais-que perfeito (pluperfect) and would be translated as 'they had lost' rather than 'they lost'?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on October 26, 2013, 02:52:23 AM
So the same  Public Prosecutor has been put in charge 

....   the one who said the McCanns  'failed to prove their innocence'  by refusing to do a reconstruction  ? 

interesting
Yes Magalhães e Menezes, the one who said also the investigation was disturbed, because facts, without a reconstruction, remained unclarified.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: gilet on October 26, 2013, 03:06:44 AM
Yes Magalhães e Menezes, the one who said also the investigation was disturbed, because facts, without a reconstruction, remained unclarified.

And who also made it very, very clear that there was no evidence of any crime by the McCanns.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on October 26, 2013, 03:06:53 AM
This is a very sour post from you.

Inferring that DCI took the McCanns in his luggage (sic).
Guesswork without any evidence of anything.
You seem very bitter about the PJ having finally, after a two year review, realised there is no evidence of any crime by the McCanns, something we all saw as soon as the archival report was released.
And you seem very bitter about the McCanns themselves with your phrase, "special victims".

All victims of crime are special and deserve to be treated as such.


And on another matter, I have just spotted what I think is a translation error.  You may be able to help.

Am I correct in thinking that 'eles perderam' is the mais-que perfeito (pluperfect) and would be translated as 'they had lost' rather than 'they lost'?
Perderam is morphologically identical in two tenses (only for the 3rd plural) one being the Pretérito perfeito and the other the Pretérito mais que Perfeito. Therefore the translation depends on the context. In case of ambiguity the Portuguese will use the (more current) form, the compound one, of the Mais que Perfeito.
Instead of spotting bitterness where there's only some irony (no cynicism), what about sharing your special informations ? And what about the notorious waiter, you know the one, don't you ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on October 26, 2013, 03:07:45 AM
Yes Magalhães e Menezes, the one who said also the investigation was disturbed, because facts, without a reconstruction, remained unclarified.

The same man who having considered all of the 'foregoing' evidence (which included the non-reconstruction - for which he attributed no blame to the McCanns)  clearly and unequivocably came to the conclusion that it was apparent that the parents had no involvement in the disappearance of their daughter.


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: gilet on October 26, 2013, 03:10:09 AM
Perderam is morphologically identical in two tenses (only for the 3rd plural) one being the Pretérito perfeito and the other the Pretérito mais que Perfeito. Therefore the translation depends on the context. In case of ambiguity the Portuguese will use the (more current) form, the compound one, of the Mais que Perfeito.
Instead of spotting bitterness where there's only some irony (no cynicism), what about sharing your special informations ? And what about the notorious waiter, you know the one, don't you ?

The waiter you refer to is not a waiter. Had you read the full quote I posted and the page I referred to you would be aware of that.

And I will comment on clear bitterness in posts when I see it. I saw it and commented.

Thank you for the comments about the word 'perderam'. They confirm that there is indeed a small but significant error in a translation within the online English version of the files which I shall return to at a later date.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on October 26, 2013, 03:14:33 AM
The same man who having considered all of the 'foregoing' evidence (which included the non-reconstruction - for which he attributed no blame to the McCanns)  clearly and unequivocably came to the conclusion that it was apparent that the parents had no involvement in the disappearance of their daughter.
Who knows when things aren't what they appear to be ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on October 26, 2013, 03:17:10 AM
Who knows when things aren't what they appear to be ?

Conspiraloons?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on October 26, 2013, 03:18:40 AM
The waiter you refer to is not a waiter. Had you read the full quote I posted and the page I referred to you would be aware of that.

And I will comment on clear bitterness in posts when I see it. I saw it and commented.

Where is your full quote and what is the name of the witness ?
Invent bitterness if it gives you a kick !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Chinagirl on October 26, 2013, 07:17:54 AM
It is time to abandon this preoccupation with the reconstruction not taking place, and the phrase "failed to prove their innocence." 

Clearly their innocence has been accepted by both strands of the current enquiry, which is why Rogerio Alves was able to state that the McCanns are not being investigated, and that he is applying to have them made 'assistentes' in the re-opened investigation.

The sceptics here seem very reluctant to accept that this is a NEW enquiry which is concentrating on stranger abduction (not concealment of death by Madeleine's parents), so the previous investigation has been rendered obsolete.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: gilet on October 26, 2013, 08:39:07 AM
Who knows when things aren't what they appear to be ?

What precisely does that comment mean because it certainly is not clear?

Are you suggesting that hidden forces are at work?

Are you suggesting that the AG report at the archival stage of the case was not what it appeared to be?

Have you been taken in by Amaral latterly clutching at excuses for his dismissal?  Because even he originally told us the reason was that he had been caught talking out of turn about the case.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: gilet on October 26, 2013, 08:40:43 AM
Where is your full quote and what is the name of the witness ?
Invent bitterness if it gives you a kick !

No-one reading your post above could fail to see the bitterness it exuded. It did not give me a kick. It may have done that for you but it rather made me sick that someone could have such bitterness.

The full quote is on this forum where I posted it in English. And is in the full page image (in Portuguese) which Luz kindly posted.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: xtina on October 26, 2013, 02:43:30 PM
And who also made it very, very clear that there was no evidence of any crime by the McCanns.




Kate McCann's lawyer Carlos Pinto de Abreu: ''If you were Portuguese this would be enough to put you in prison.''
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 26, 2013, 03:21:17 PM
They are not Portuguese and they are not in prison. In fact they were in a meeting with Portuguese investigating team/authorities very recently.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on October 26, 2013, 03:37:18 PM
They are not Portuguese and they are not in prison. In fact they were in a meeting with Portuguese investigating team/authorities very recently.

Exactly!

Isn't it a good thing Anne can't find anything out about Dr Alves being present or not at the PJ headquarters?
This way we know there's no leaks, up to now. No dossiers to use on any of these PJ.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on October 26, 2013, 03:39:09 PM
Tomorrows papers ,new leads are because she is alive

Well last week the papers said

Maddy found in Greece

Maddy found in Ireland

When will the media stop using this child to make money out of her. ITS DISGUSTING.

If the child is alive she wont be for long if the media keep on about her being found.

To be honest all this new activity, is it smoke and mirrors....

How come ALL of a sudden after trawling through lots of papers for 15 months they may have found something of note.

I am so not getting excited about this. IF it was that obvious 15 months ago, and was missed then was it that obvious...that TWO police forces missed it. I thought the English police were helping the PJ at the time.

Also Amaral was only on the case upto the sighting of the Smiths then when he was taken of it seemed the investigation went down hill.

Maybe they have found something or they are checking on movements of people that wasnt checked before because the timeline has changed etc.

We shall see.

I am kind of not getting excited. ALSO I find it odd that the PJ are saying the investigating they are doing has nothing to do with Scotland Yard which makes me wonder what is going on.

We shall see ....... It would be lovely if Maddy finally came home for xmas.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: xtina on October 26, 2013, 03:40:24 PM
They are not Portuguese and they are not in prison. In fact they were in a meeting with Portuguese investigating team/authorities very recently.

Oh right ......whatever

Good job they are  not  Portuguese then ......

my point was though....imustpointit out  .....apparently not a  crime  in  England  ....but a  crime  in Portugal ....they were  in Portugal  ....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: j.rob on October 26, 2013, 03:58:14 PM
Sounds like a lot of media spin to me.

Smoke and mirrors.

And I agree this is all about selling newspapers. Making money out of the disappearance of a child. Disgusting. And also I presume a justification for the Madeleine Fund which purports to be trying to find her.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 26, 2013, 03:59:31 PM
Oh right ......whatever

Good job they are  not  Portuguese then ......

my point was though....imustpointit out  .....apparently not a  crime  in  England  ....but a  crime  in Portugal ....they were  in Portugal  ....

well that's Portugal for you - they have them bang to rights on a crime in Portugal and don't arrest them.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: xtina on October 26, 2013, 04:17:28 PM
well that's Portugal for you - they have them bang to rights on a crime in Portugal and don't arrest them.


mmmmmmmm ...............that was the reason  they fled  to England  .....they knew they were about  to be arrested IMO
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on October 26, 2013, 04:21:44 PM

mmmmmmmm ...............that was the reason  they fled  to England  .....they knew they were about  to be arrested IMO

really? then why did the pj let them go when they could of stopped them ..who's being silly now 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: comanche on October 26, 2013, 04:22:57 PM
that is not a true statement they were given permission to return to England so many myths.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 26, 2013, 04:23:04 PM
Quote
mmmmmmmm ...............that was the reason  they fled  to England  .....they knew they were about  to be arrested IMO


EAW
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 26, 2013, 04:24:06 PM
that is not a true statement they were given permission to return to England so many myths.

they were not refused permission and apparently got over the border on an Easyjet flight!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: j.rob on October 26, 2013, 04:42:50 PM
Both Express and Star apparently suggesting that Madeleine McCann may well be alive and that the aim of the PJ is to reunite her with her family.

Hmmmm - what is really going on? How can it be that the McCann's have been completely ruled out as having anything to do with the disappearance of their daughter or any knowledge of what really happened to her?

The abduction theory has more holes than a colander. It was the theory advanced by the McCann's themselves, without any proper evidence. Furthermore, the theory conflicted strongly with their own belief system that abduction was a very rare event, and not one that they had worried about when they left their children alone in the apartment.

And if the McCanns were so convinced at such an early stage that a stranger had abducted Madeleine, then why did they let the crime scene be contaminated by so many people?

I suppose the Emperor has been walking around now for so long in his birthday suit that it has become the norm. The show must go on.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 26, 2013, 04:47:07 PM
Hmmmm - what is really going on? How can it be that the McCann's have been completely ruled out as having anything to do with the disappearance of their daughter or any knowledge of what really happened to her?

The abduction theory has more holes than a colander. It was the theory advanced by the McCann's themselves, without any proper evidence. Furthermore, the theory conflicted strongly with their own belief system that abduction was a very rare event, and not one that they had worried about when they left their children alone in the apartment.

And if the McCanns were so convinced at such an early stage that a stranger had abducted Madeleine, then why did they let the crime scene be contaminated by so many people?

I suppose the Emperor has been walking around now for so long in his birthday suit that it has become the norm. The show must go on.



"And if the McCanns were so convinced at such an early stage that a stranger had abducted Madeleine"

Not just any stranger abducted her, it was a paedophile!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: comanche on October 26, 2013, 04:58:22 PM
I cannot after six and a half years and I have been around since the tragic news broke cannot see the holes. The McCanns are not ppl of interest and not commited a crime we have been informed by PJ & SY. Lets all be positive and hopefully Madeleine will be found,safe and reunited with her family but I  know she will need and the family lots of help.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on October 26, 2013, 05:01:13 PM

mmmmmmmm ...............that was the reason  they fled  to England  .....they knew they were about  to be arrested IMO

That's a most sensible post..they fled Portugal because they feared they were about to be arrested...for a crime they had not committed...whats wrong with that
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on October 26, 2013, 05:03:05 PM



Kate McCann's lawyer Carlos Pinto de Abreu: ''If you were Portuguese this would be enough to put you in prison.''

You would need the full context from where that was taken
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: j.rob on October 26, 2013, 05:15:34 PM
Indeed. Nothing could be guaranteed to gain maximum media attention more than the abduction of a four year old girl by a stranger who was part of a paedophile ring.

And therein lies another of the McCann inconsistencies. They were/are 'convinced' that their daughter was abducted from the apartment and that they believed it to be the act of a paedophile, working as part of a paedophile ring.

This would account for their 'hysterical' reactions when they discovered their daughter 'had been taken' that night.

Okay, so let us take this claim at face value. If you thought your child had been abducted by a paedophile, what, realistically, would you expect the outcome to be? It assumes that your child has not been picked up by, say, a childless couple or another possible outcome with less horrific consequences.

The logical conclusion to the McCann's assumption would be that Madeleine would be in a horrible, hideous situation and one which would, in all probability, lead to her early demise (possibly a less horrible outcome than being an abducted child in a paedophile ring).

Yet, despite their early convictions, they continue to believe that she may be alive and well and even, if we are to believe the papers, reunited with her family in time for Christmas! The mind boggles - exactly how many years of psychotherapy would a child need following abduction and being held prisoner by a paedophile gang?

But this does not seem to be something that the McCanns have discussed. On the contrary, in one media interview, Kate says of Madeleine in respect of her abductors: 'She will be giving them her pennies-worth'.

????

Excuse me?



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 26, 2013, 05:19:25 PM
@ j.rob

and you point is?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 26, 2013, 05:20:03 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if SY have got an ace up their sleeve from the efits and also wanted the Portuguese to reopen the case at this time. They are working closely together.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: j.rob on October 26, 2013, 05:23:31 PM
Today - what do you think my point is?

Have a think about it then get back to me.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on October 26, 2013, 05:27:03 PM
Indeed. Nothing could be guaranteed to gain maximum media attention more than the abduction of a four year old girl by a stranger who was part of a paedophile ring.

And therein lies another of the McCann inconsistencies. They were/are 'convinced' that their daughter was abducted from the apartment and that they believed it to be the act of a paedophile, working as part of a paedophile ring.

This would account for their 'hysterical' reactions when they discovered their daughter 'had been taken' that night.

Okay, so let us take this claim at face value. If you thought your child had been abducted by a paedophile, what, realistically, would you expect the outcome to be? It assumes that your child has not been picked up by, say, a childless couple or another possible outcome with less horrific consequences.

The logical conclusion to the McCann's assumption would be that Madeleine would be in a horrible, hideous situation and one which would, in all probability, lead to her early demise (possibly a less horrible outcome than being an abducted child in a paedophile ring).

Yet, despite their early convictions, they continue to believe that she may be alive and well and even, if we are to believe the papers, reunited with her family in time for Christmas! The mind boggles - exactly how many years of psychotherapy would a child need following abduction and being held prisoner by a paedophile gang?

But this does not seem to be something that the McCanns have discussed. On the contrary, in one media interview, Kate says of Madeleine in respect of her abductors: 'She will be giving them her pennies-worth'.

????

Excuse me?

the [ censored word ] live in a denail fantasy s world where they believe if maddie is found  she will leap into the mcanns arms as if nothing has   happned   reality is  even if maddie was abducted she would not know who the mcanns are the  human  brain has no memory until  about the age or over  4 or 5 years old maddie  was  nearly  4  yes but i highly  doubt she would  remeber  the mcanns or  her  family    trauma alone would cause her not too
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 26, 2013, 05:45:48 PM
the [ censored word ] live in a denail fantasy s world where they believe if maddie is found  she will leap into the mcanns arms as if nothing has   happned   reality is  even if maddie was abducted she would not know who the mcanns are the  human  brain has no memory until  about the age or over  4 or 5 years old maddie  was  nearly  4  yes but i highly  doubt she would  remeber  the mcanns or  her  family    trauma alone would cause her not too

whilst you are online and active: would you mind correcting the title to your mrs fern topic to Mrs Fenn
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on October 26, 2013, 05:53:26 PM
Hmmmm - what is really going on? How can it be that the McCann's have been completely ruled out as having anything to do with the disappearance of their daughter or any knowledge of what really happened to her?

The abduction theory has more holes than a colander. It was the theory advanced by the McCann's themselves, without any proper evidence. Furthermore, the theory conflicted strongly with their own belief system that abduction was a very rare event, and not one that they had worried about when they left their children alone in the apartment.

And if the McCanns were so convinced at such an early stage that a stranger had abducted Madeleine, then why did they let the crime scene be contaminated by so many people?

I suppose the Emperor has been walking around now for so long in his birthday suit that it has become the norm. The show must go on.

Personally I think removing Jane Tanner's Bundleman was tantamount to pointing out the emperor's dangley bits.... 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on October 26, 2013, 05:53:58 PM
the [ censored word ] live in a denail fantasy s world where they believe if maddie is found  she will leap into the mcanns arms as if nothing has   happned   reality is  even if maddie was abducted she would not know who the mcanns are the  human  brain has no memory until  about the age or over  4 or 5 years old maddie  was  nearly  4  yes but i highly  doubt she would  remeber  the mcanns or  her  family    trauma alone would cause her not too

No one will be a winner here if the child is found alive.

I agree with you sadly.

IF she was taken by a pedophile ring she will have been slowly groomed, and probably sold on to some rich guy. Everyone has heard of the Stockholm syndrome, she will be more than likely totally indoctrinated into the only life she knows or remembers.

To her it will all be totally normal...

Ms Kampusch, who escaped from Priklopil's house in 2006, was widely believed to be suffering from Stockholm syndrome after repeatedly sympathising with her captor.
'I feel more and more sorry for him - he's a poor soul,' she told a documentary, and after he threw himself in front of a train she said, 'I mourn for him in a certain way.'

To Maddy at 10 years old it will be her way of life. I expect receiving treats for good behaviour etc.....its hard to talk about but its reality.

If the child is found alive and has been with pedophiles, she will need a lot of therapy, might never ever get through it almost putting her back into normality can trigger off a psychological event she might never get over...

Anyone who thinks she will just go back into the family like she had been on a vacation needs to really get a reality check.

Sadly most young girls snatched by sex offenders are usually murdered very quickly afterwards.

Its all so sad and so unnecessary. I still cant get it round my head that the night creche was located just behind the tapas bar, so it would have been so easy to drop 3 kiddies off and still enjoy yourself, at least knowing your children were safe.

All too late for Maddy really either way dead or alive she was never going to be in a good place, giving anyone her tuppence worth............

God bless her. xxxx
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 26, 2013, 05:56:52 PM
so many experts on here
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jazzy on October 26, 2013, 05:59:25 PM
the [ censored word ] live in a denail fantasy s world where they believe if maddie is found  she will leap into the mcanns arms as if nothing has   happned   reality is  even if maddie was abducted she would not know who the mcanns are the  human  brain has no memory until  about the age or over  4 or 5 years old maddie  was  nearly  4  yes but i highly  doubt she would  remeber  the mcanns or  her  family    trauma alone would cause her not too

How do you know what I believe, Carly? Who are "the [ censored word ]"? How do you know what they believe?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on October 26, 2013, 06:03:37 PM
No one will be a winner here if the child is found alive.

I agree with you sadly.

IF she was taken by a pedophile ring she will have been slowly groomed, and probably sold on to some rich guy. Everyone has heard of the Stockholm syndrome, she will be more than likely totally indoctrinated into the only life she knows or remembers.

To her it will all be totally normal...

Ms Kampusch, who escaped from Priklopil's house in 2006, was widely believed to be suffering from Stockholm syndrome after repeatedly sympathising with her captor.
'I feel more and more sorry for him - he's a poor soul,' she told a documentary, and after he threw himself in front of a train she said, 'I mourn for him in a certain way.'

To Maddy at 10 years old it will be her way of life. I expect receiving treats for good behaviour etc.....its hard to talk about but its reality.

If the child is found alive and has been with pedophiles, she will need a lot of therapy, might never ever get through it almost putting her back into normality can trigger off a psychological event she might never get over...

Anyone who thinks she will just go back into the family like she had been on a vacation needs to really get a reality check.

Sadly most young girls snatched by sex offenders are usually murdered very quickly afterwards.

Its all so sad and so unnecessary. I still cant get it round my head that the night creche was located just behind the tapas bar, so it would have been so easy to drop 3 kiddies off and still enjoy yourself, at least knowing your children were safe.

All too late for Maddy really either way dead or alive she was never going to be in a good place, giving anyone her tuppence worth............

God bless her. xxxx

im glad you understand what im talking g about no one wants those things for maddie but its the  truth  if she truly is alive the mcanns are strangers to her and she would have to totally   ajust to more strangers do you think she  would trust anyone if she was  supposdly with   a abductor all this time?? she would never trust anyone again and [ censored word ] have said in the past she would forget but she wouldnt not trauma like that
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jazzy on October 26, 2013, 06:05:13 PM
"the [ censored word ]"? Are they like the borg?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 26, 2013, 06:06:51 PM
carlymichelle the child welfare expert
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on October 26, 2013, 06:07:16 PM
so many experts on here

Well i talk from experience about being abused...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on October 26, 2013, 06:10:41 PM
the [ censored word ] live in a denail fantasy s world where they believe if maddie is found  she will leap into the mcanns arms as if nothing has   happned   reality is  even if maddie was abducted she would not know who the mcanns are the  human  brain has no memory until  about the age or over  4 or 5 years old maddie  was  nearly  4  yes but i highly  doubt she would  remeber  the mcanns or  her  family    trauma alone would cause her not too

you would have to be stupid to believe that
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on October 26, 2013, 06:11:29 PM
im glad you understand what im talking g about no one wants those things for maddie but its the  truth  if she truly is alive the mcanns are strangers to her and she would have to totally   ajust to more strangers do you think she  would trust anyone if she was  supposdly with   a abductor all this time?? she would never trust anyone again and [ censored word ] have said in the past she would forget but she wouldnt not trauma like that

I know from experience about abuse and how it can affect someone.

Anyway its obvious there will be a problem its the only life she would have known.

How many people can actually say they remember what they did from 0-3 years old...really....

I have a vague memory of when i was five getting a pink ballet wrap thats about it.

AND people who have been traumatised find it easier to block things off its a coping mechanism.

I find it sad that when someone posts sensibly people then accuse them of being experts.

Well sometimes people just are.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on October 26, 2013, 06:12:14 PM
you would have to be stupid to believe that

You would have to be stupid NOT to believe that..... ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on October 26, 2013, 06:13:32 PM
I know from experience about abuse and how it can affect someone.

Anyway its obvious there will be a problem its the only life she would have known.

How many people can actually say they remember what they did from 0-3 years old...really....

I have a vague memory of when i was five getting a pink ballet wrap thats about it.

AND people who have been traumatised find it easier to block things off its a coping mechanism.

I find it sad that when someone posts sensibly people then accuse them of being experts.

Well sometimes people just are.

the human brain starts to  remember memories fully at about aged  4  or 5 so maddie would have  no memory of her former life IF she is alive i remember  things  clearly  from about aged  5 or  6   not much before that
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on October 26, 2013, 06:16:20 PM
what I do believe is that if Maddie was found alive, depending on her circumstances what would happen to her long term future would be extremely complex and involve the courts and mediacl experts.To suggest she would jump into the McCanns arms is plain stupid
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on October 26, 2013, 06:24:08 PM
what I do believe is that if Maddie was found alive, depending on her circumstances what would happen to her long term future would be extremely complex and involve the courts and mediacl experts.To suggest she would jump into the McCanns arms is plain stupid

Cheers davel - the second time we are in agreement!!  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on October 26, 2013, 06:26:42 PM
the human brain starts to  remember memories fully at about aged  4  or 5 so maddie would have  no memory of her former life IF she is alive i remember  things  clearly  from about aged  5 or  6   not much before that

Madeleine as her name is (not maddie) was 4 years old just about to to start school ..I think she would remember some of her past at that age..i remember the first day I a started school very well ..so you cant just assume madeleine!! wont remember ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on October 26, 2013, 07:42:49 PM
Madeleine as her name is (not maddie) was 4 years old just about to to start school ..I think she would remember some of her past at that age..i remember the first day I a started school very well ..so you cant just assume madeleine!! wont remember ...

I think Madeleine would remember some of her past too. Look how close they all were, and she adored her mommy and daddy. The twins too. She was due to start school that year, and everyone said what a bright child she is.

There's brains and there's brains. You can get kiddies aged 3/4 with more brains than some older kids.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on October 26, 2013, 07:53:04 PM
I think Madeleine would remember some of her past too. Look how close they all were, and she adored her mommy and daddy. The twins too. She was due to start school that year, and everyone said what a bright child she is.

There's brains and there's brains. You can get kiddies aged 3/4 with more brains than some older kids.

I mean this in the nicest possible way, but that post illiterates exactly what I mean about getting too involved. We don't know Madeleine Mccann! She is a photograph to us. A picture in a magazine and a portrait painted by distressed parents. I don't anyone would relate all the annoying or bad things their kids had done if they were missing or deceased. Not that they'd intend to be deceptive, but we tend to have rose coloured glasses in times like that.

I've also never heard a parent say that there kid is 'nice but dim' or 'a bit dense really'.

This Idea you have of a perfect child is in your head DCI. She doesn't know nor ever has existed, except in the eyes of her family.

I think my sons are the closest things to perfection in the world. I'm not sure everyone would agree with me though. They'd be too busy thinking the same about their own children for a start.

If she is alive and is found, I really think that whole family should be given another identity and move someone nice and far away. Like the Amazon rain forest..


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on October 26, 2013, 08:02:37 PM
I mean this in the nicest possible way, but that post illiterates exactly what I mean about getting too involved. We don't know Madeleine Mccann! She is a photograph to us. A picture in a magazine and a portrait painted by distressed parents. I don't anyone would relate all the annoying or bad things their kids had done if they were missing or deceased. Not that they'd intend to be deceptive, but we tend to have rose coloured glasses in times like that.

I've also never heard a parent say that there kid is 'nice but dim' or 'a bit dense really'.

This Idea you have of a perfect child is in your head DCI. She doesn't know nor ever has existed, except in the eyes of her family.

I think my sons are the closest things to perfection in the world. I'm not sure everyone would agree with me though. They'd be too busy thinking the same about their own children for a start.

If she is alive and is found, I really think that whole family should be given another identity and move someone nice and far away. Like the Amazon rain forest..

Would you like to point out where I've said any of what you posted?

As for them moving, why should they, just to please you?

You might like the Amazon rain forest.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on October 26, 2013, 08:18:04 PM
Would you like to point out where I've said any of what you posted?

As for them moving, why should they, just to please you?

You might like the Amazon rain forest.



I think Madeleine would remember some of her past too. Look how close they all were, and she adored her mommy and daddy. The twins too. She was due to start school that year, and everyone said what a bright child she is.

There's brains and there's brains. You can get kiddies aged 3/4 with more brains than some older kids.

Bolded for you. I'd love to live in the Amazon rain forest! Not to please me, no. For there protection and privacy.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on October 26, 2013, 09:01:11 PM
I don't understand what is the point of the discussion of 'how Madeleine would behave and feel when she is found'

The best thing for her is really to be found and to be surrounded by her family members.

There is nothing else on this earth better than that for her.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on October 26, 2013, 09:09:51 PM
I mean this in the nicest possible way, but that post illiterates exactly what I mean about getting too involved. We don't know Madeleine Mccann! She is a photograph to us. A picture in a magazine and a portrait painted by distressed parents. I don't anyone would relate all the annoying or bad things their kids had done if they were missing or deceased. Not that they'd intend to be deceptive, but we tend to have rose coloured glasses in times like that.

I've also never heard a parent say that there kid is 'nice but dim' or 'a bit dense really'.

This Idea you have of a perfect child is in your head DCI. She doesn't know nor ever has existed, except in the eyes of her family.

I think my sons are the closest things to perfection in the world. I'm not sure everyone would agree with me though. They'd be too busy thinking the same about their own children for a start.

If she is alive and is found, I really think that whole family should be given another identity and move someone nice and far away. Like the Amazon rain forest..

I think Madeleine would remember some of her past too. Look how close they all were, and she adored her mommy and daddy. The twins too. She was due to start school that year, and everyone said what a bright child she is.

There's brains and there's brains. You can get kiddies aged 3/4 with more brains than some older kids.

Don't need rose tinted glasses, to know how many have said Madeleine is a bright girl. Anything wrong with that?

where did I say "parents say that there kid is 'nice but dim' or 'a bit dense really'"?.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on October 26, 2013, 10:26:28 PM
Don't need rose tinted glasses, to know how many have said Madeleine is a bright girl. Anything wrong with that?

where did I say "parents say that there kid is 'nice but dim' or 'a bit dense really'"?.

No, you misunderstood. I was saying that no one ever says that about their own kids. We all say our kids are incredibly bright.

Not all kids are though, it's just that those nearest and dearest don't see it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on October 27, 2013, 12:00:22 AM
Since this is the thread about latest news on Madeleine, there are some news from the tomorrows papers in Portugal.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/pj-analisa-sinais-de-telefones-no-caso-maddie

GOOGLE TRANSLATE

Research : Inspectors returned to the Ocean Club in the Algarve
PJ analyzes phone signals in Maddie case
Antennas let you know what zone they were suspects and witnesses
The Judicial Police was already on the ground to realize that mobile telephone masts are located near the Ocean Club , in Lagos, the resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared on May 3, 2007 . The purpose of the inspectors will make triangulation Cellphones crucial witnesses and possible suspects that may be identified in the process , which has now been reopened . The signals from the antennas of mobile phones allow you to narrow down the area in which each person was on the night of the disappearance .
The inspectors of the Judicial Police were in the village of Praia da Luz for nearly a month , where they have a new analysis of the ground.
During the day yesterday , the Judicial Police was also listening to some witnesses who had been identified as important in the reanalysis of the case made ​​by the inspectors of Porto for two years . Efforts have elapsed throughout the day .
When the Morning Post found for now is not expected to need to be carried out searches.
One of the fundamental steps for research will also be reconstituted, that never came to be made and , as reported yesterday the CM , have now been accepted by the McCanns . Kate and Gerry proved to be available to participate in the reconstruction and show , so the inspectors where they were the night of the crime. Remember that the couple was having dinner in a restaurant of the resort , while Madeleine and the two twin brothers were sleeping in the room.
The research focuses now on PJ abduction theory and the possibility of the girl, who at the time was about to complete four years have been taken from the room by pedophiles .
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on October 27, 2013, 05:47:27 AM
Thanks for that.

I wonder if the PJ are playing a very clever game....

Keep your enemys close.......
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on October 27, 2013, 07:47:31 AM
Thanks for that.

I wonder if the PJ are playing a very clever game....

Keep your enemys close.......

fantasy land
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on October 27, 2013, 08:57:39 AM
So does this mean that a reconstruction will actually go ahead? If it did, would we hear about it or would it be covered be judicial secrecy?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on October 27, 2013, 09:06:39 AM
So does this mean that a reconstruction will actually go ahead? If it did, would we hear about it or would it be covered be judicial secrecy?

The reconstruction already happened, according to the Portuguese papers. The PJ's independent from SY team went to PDL and has made the reconstruction.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on October 27, 2013, 09:12:34 AM
The reconstruction already happened, according to the Portuguese papers. The PJ's independent from SY team went to PDL and has made the reconstruction.

Really? wow! All the T9?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 27, 2013, 11:11:16 AM
Since this is the thread about latest news on Madeleine, there are some news from the tomorrows papers in Portugal.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/pj-analisa-sinais-de-telefones-no-caso-maddie

GOOGLE TRANSLATE

Research : Inspectors returned to the Ocean Club in the Algarve
PJ analyzes phone signals in Maddie case
Antennas let you know what zone they were suspects and witnesses
The Judicial Police was already on the ground to realize that mobile telephone masts are located near the Ocean Club , in Lagos, the resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared on May 3, 2007 . The purpose of the inspectors will make triangulation Cellphones crucial witnesses and possible suspects that may be identified in the process , which has now been reopened . The signals from the antennas of mobile phones allow you to narrow down the area in which each person was on the night of the disappearance .
The inspectors of the Judicial Police were in the village of Praia da Luz for nearly a month , where they have a new analysis of the ground.
During the day yesterday , the Judicial Police was also listening to some witnesses who had been identified as important in the reanalysis of the case made ​​by the inspectors of Porto for two years . Efforts have elapsed throughout the day .
When the Morning Post found for now is not expected to need to be carried out searches.
One of the fundamental steps for research will also be reconstituted, that never came to be made and , as reported yesterday the CM , have now been accepted by the McCanns . Kate and Gerry proved to be available to participate in the reconstruction and show , so the inspectors where they were the night of the crime. Remember that the couple was having dinner in a restaurant of the resort , while Madeleine and the two twin brothers were sleeping in the room.
The research focuses now on PJ abduction theory and the possibility of the girl, who at the time was about to complete four years have been taken from the room by pedophiles .
Why do sy still feel she could be alve if it was pedophiles
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 27, 2013, 11:14:03 AM
Madeline McCann: Breakthrough as police hunt three 'gypsies' seen lurking nearby
27 October 2013 12:00 AM By Patrick Hill
The men were suspected of being behind a string of burglaries around the resort in the weeks leading up to the youngster being snatched
Priority: Man seen in newly-released e-fits
Police are hunting three men said to be gypsies seen lurking near Madeleine McCann’s holiday apartment before her disappearance, the Sunday People can reveal.

The men were suspected of being behind a string of burglaries around the resort in the weeks leading up to the youngster being snatched .

Police on the re-opened case want to interview janitors who blamed the gypsies for the break-ins.

Officers believe the maintenance men, who fixed a blind in the McCanns’ holiday flat two days before Madeleine went missing in May 2007, are crucial to the case.

Luis Ferro and Mario Moreira were ordered to flat 5A to mend a broken blind in Kate and Gerry’s bedroom at 10am on May 1.

Mr Ferro, quizzed by Portuguese police four days after Madeleine vanished, said gypsies had been ­active in the area at the time.

He mentioned a warehouse near the resort’s Millennium Restaurant where he said the three gypsies had stolen firewood and scrap metal.

The “potentially highly significant” evidence was dismissed as “not relevant or useful” by officers involved in the controversial initial probe – led by disgraced former police chief Goncalo Amaral.

 
PA
 
But it is now being taken seriously after a four-year-old blonde girl was last week found living with gypsies, who had bought her for just £750 in Greece.

As part of the same line of inquiry, police are also re-examining a suspected sighting of Madeleine the day after she vanished.

The witness reported seeing a girl matching her description laying in the back of a white van driven by two “gypsies” 160 miles away.

The new probe by Portuguese and British police has boosted the hopes of the missing youngster’s anguished parents Kate and Gerry, both 45.

Police in Portugal have drawn up a list of 41 “people of interest” and e-fit ­pictures have been issued of a man seen carrying a child near the resort after Madeleine was taken.

Aged three, Madeleine vanished from the McCanns’ apartment in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, while her ­parents were eating tapas nearby.

They are being kept briefed on developments, but their Portuguese lawyer Rogerio Alves said: “The police asked us not to compromise the investigation and we are obliged to respect the secrecy order.

“It would be a crime for anyone working with full information on the details to talk about it.”

Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, yesterday appealed for people to be “patient” as the new begins.

In a message on their Find Madeleine website, where they have posted a picture of how Maddy would look today aged nine, they asked people to “respect the work of the police as they endeavour to find the answers.”

They added: “We’re very pleased the investigation to find Madeleine has officially been reopened in Portugal.

Anyone with information should contact police, either here in the UK or in Portugal.”

McCanns 'pleased' as probe reopens 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 28, 2013, 08:29:17 AM
Portuguese police held their own Madeleine McCann reconstruction
A RECONSTRUCTION by Portuguese detectives of key events on the day Madeleine McCann went missing has helped persuade the country's legal offi-cials to re-open the case, we reveal today.
By: James Murray Sun, October 27, 2013
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The reconstruction helped persuade legal officials to re-open the investigation [PA]
The detectives, who have been reviewing the case files for two years, went to Praia da Luz on the Algarve a month ago to pursue secret inquiries.

They spent hours walking around the Ocean Club working out where certain people were seen at particular times and at Apartment 5a, from where threeyear-old Madeleine went missing on May 3, 2007.

The exercise was the culmination of months of work by four Portuguese detectives based in Porto in the north of the country, who are directly working for the highly respected senior officer Helen Monteiro, an expert on abduction cases.

It is thought her elite team of dedicated officers has recently been concentrating on statements from witnesses who say they saw unknown people acting suspiciously in the resort around the time the child was missed. The work in Luz came before Scotland Yard released photofits of potential suspects on the BBC's Crimewatch show this month.

Madeleine McCann went missing from this apartment in 2007 [EXPRESS NEWSPAPERS]

Often there are almost perfect crimes and not all of them are discovered all over the world

Paula Teixeira da Cruz, Portuguese Justice Minister
Ms Monteiro has insisted all her officers work in absolute secrecy to prevent leaks of their inquiries. It was decided officers in Porto should conduct the review as none had any direct involvement in the first Madeleine McCann investigation and would therefore approach the case with fresh eyes and open minds.

In Portugal, Ms Monteiro is seen as the driving force finally to get the Madeleine case files re-opened after five years, rather than through the efforts of Scotland Yard. She and her team are working separately from the Yard, although there is close liaison between the two.

Yesterday Portuguese Justice Minister Paula Teixeira da Cruz said the decision to reopen the case, taken last week, was due to the work of the Policia Judiciaria and not because of pressure from Scotland Yard. She said: "The PJ developed diligences that allowed for this process to be reopened. Often there are almost perfect crimes and not all of them are discovered all over the world. If the PJ requested the reopening, it has good motives to do so."

Portuguese law officials and senior officers in the PJ have been acutely aware of criticism of the initial police investigation and insist they are determined to solve the case.

The McCann's Portugese lawyer Rogerio Alves wants the parents to act as 'assistants' in the case [AFP]

Ms Teixeira da Cruz urged people to be "proud" of the work being done by the PJ, which she insisted had not been idle in seeking to solve the mystery.

For a time Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, were seen as arguidos or suspects but that status was lifted. Now they are being kept fully informed of all developments and were given a personal briefing of the work of the PJ in Lisbon last week.

The McCann's Portuguese lawyer, Rogerio Alves, is reportedly seeking for his clients to be "assistants" in the case. This would allow their lawyer to work closely with state prosecutors.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 29, 2013, 07:17:14 AM
Police set to interview former handy men who worked at Madeleine holiday club

POLICE probing Madeleine McCann’s disappearance want to interview two odd-job men who worked at the Algarve holiday club where she ­vanished.

By: Anil DawarPublished: Mon, October 28, 2013
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Police want to interview two handy men who worked at the club where Madeleine McCann went missing [EPA]

The pair had worked inside the McCann family’s apartment two days before she was snatched. They later told police a gang of gypsies were responsible for burglaries in the area.

The Portuguese men are just two of 41 on a Scotland Yard list of “people of interest”. They were employed at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.

A separate case review by Portuguese police has also come to the conclusion that resort employees could hold the key to Madeleine’s disappearance in May 2007.

Both forces have run exhaustive background checks on a number of people questioned during the original inquiry. But according to Portuguese public prosecutors the investigations turned up “very little”.

Madeleine disappeared from the holiday flat whilst her parents were out for dinner [PA]

Luis Ferro and Mario Moreira were ordered to flat 5A to mend a broken blind in parents Kate and Gerry McCann’s bedroom around 10am on May 1, 2007
More than 130 employees were quizzed by detectives led by former police chief Goncalo Amaral in the original inquiry .

They included the two maintenance workers who fixed a window blind in the McCanns’ holiday apartment two days before the three-year-old went missing.

Luis Ferro and Mario Moreira were ordered to flat 5A to mend a broken blind in parents Kate and Gerry McCann’s bedroom around 10am on May 1, 2007.

During an interview four days after Madeleine vanished Mr Ferro blamed gypsies for a spate of thefts in the area but offered no information on how the youngster disappeared. The handyman told officers he saw Roma stealing firewood from one of the resort’s warehouses about four months before the girl’s disappearance.

Mr Moreira, who had been working at the Ocean Club for 20 years when he was interviewed, said he had not noticed anything strange in the days leading up to Madeleine’s disappearance and was at home at the time. Police involved in the initial probe reported at the time: “Nothing relevant or useful for the ongoing investigation came out of the interviews.

“Nothing was obtained from them that permitted us to follow any new line of investigation.”

Madeleine wen missing six years ago [PA]

Most of the staff working at the Ocean Club when Madeleine disappeared have now moved on. And there is no suggestion the two maintenance workers are in any way connected to Madeleine’s disappearance. The case was reopened earlier last week by ­Portugal’s attorney-general after police in the country unearthed fresh leads. A source close to the case said: “The original inquiry had holes in it. New material relating to what happened before and after Madeleine’s disappearance has been unearthed.

“Connecting that with information in the existing case files has led to more than reasonable suspicions about what happened to Madeleine that night.”
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 29, 2013, 07:20:16 AM

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 Luis Felipe Monteiro Ferro

Date/Time: 2007/05/07 13H00
Maintenance Worker
Portuguese

Concerning the issue of the process said;
. That he comes to the process as a witness;
. That he is employed in maintenance in the Ocean Club resort since March of 2006;
. That in this resort he is charged with maintaining the pools and all that is related to the lodgings;
. That in the sequence of his functions he circulates the resort, without restrictions, knowing it reasonably well;
. Questioned, states that he is aware of the missing English child whose name is Madeleine, a situation which he became aware of on Friday, the 04 of May, after the notices were released in the media;
. States that on the day of the disappearance of this child he worked at the resort until about 15H30;
. Questioned, the deponent states that in the scope of his functions and the day before the disappearance of the child, he only came into contact with the mother of the same, whose name he does not know;
. This happened on Tuesday, the first of May, in the sequence of a service that he had to carry out in the apartment where this family was staying, also known as Block G5, Letter A;
. This serviced was carried out between 10H00 and 11H00, together with his colleague who is named Mario, and consisted of the repair of a blind in the room of the parents of the minor;
. In this sequence, the deponent and his colleague also taught the mother of the child how to operate the washing machine;
. The woman in question was alone in the apartment;
. The only places of the apartment where the deponent and his colleague entered was the kitchen and the parent's bedroom;
. The deponent states that short of that service does not know of any other work carried out in the apartment since the arrival of that family in the resort and the disappearance of the girl;
. Questioned, the deponent states that days before the disappearance of the little girl, no one spoke to him strangely about the tourists, the children which accompanied them or other facilities of the resort. He also did not hear conversations of this nature with other persons;
. Regarding the presence of people or persons which presented with a strange conduct near the resort, in the past with special attention to the disappearance of the child, the deponent states that he noted nothing abnormal;
. States that only about four months ago he noticed the presence of three gypsies close to a resort warehouse, situated close to the Millenium Restaurant, who were taking existing firewood from there;
. The deponent knows that in that resort zone, as it is a zone of warehouse and also little traffic, it is frequented by individuals of gypsy origin looking for scrap;
. Various robberies have already occurred in this zone and the deponent is of the conviction that the authors of these crimes are individuals of gypsy ethnicity whose identification he does now know;
. Questioned, the deponent states that since the disappearance of the girl Madeleine, until today, he has heard no commentaries that could help clarify the motive for the disappearance, and as this, does not have more information that could help to this end;
.And nothing further was said. She has read the statement, finds it in conformity and signs it;
. The document is duly signed by me...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 29, 2013, 07:22:05 AM
Witness Statement
Mario Domingos Moreira

Date: 2007-05-08

Occupation: Handyman

Place of Work: OC

He has worked at the OC for about 20 years and currently works in the Maintenance Department, he carries out repairs inside the apartments.

He works from 09.00 to 18.00 with a break for lunch at 13.00. He has Sundays and Mondays off.

When asked about the events being investigated he says that he only saw the girl's mother once. This happened during the exercise of his functions, and after instruction from his superiors he went to apartment 5 A.

His services had been requested because the shutters in the bedroom at the back of the apartment, facing the Tapas restaurant were damaged and with the aim of providing the mother with instructions regarding the operation of the washing machine. When asked, he said that the damage to the blinds was centred on the pull-handle, limiting their opening. He says that this kind of damage is quite frequent, given the fact of the need for some initial force to raise the shutter, sometimes associated with a lack of knowledge of the mechanism on the part of some of the tourists, who keep applying force, contrary to what is required, and which results in the violent destruction of the respective handles.

When questioned, he says that he never works alone, he is always part of a team of two. The other individual is his colleague, Luis Ferro, who accompanied him in the execution of the repairs mentioned above.

When asked, he says that he did not notice anything strange in the previous days, either in the apartments he entered or in the surrounding areas that could be connected to the disappearance.

He was at home at the time of the events.

Reads, ratifies, signs.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on October 29, 2013, 10:50:59 AM
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/exclusivo-cm/pj-volta-a-procurar-corpo-de-maddie


 PJ searches for Maddie's body again
29 October 2013 | Posted by  Leave a Comment

Judiciary Police tries to find Madeleine's body.
Sniffer dogs had detected 'cadaver scent' in the car rented by Kate and Gerry

Hypothesis of homicide is investigated by the authorities. Follow the investigation with CM.

by Ana Isabel Fonseca/ Tânia Laranjo

The Judiciary Police has already taken steps to try to find Maddie's body, following the reopening of the case. The hypothesis that the British girl was murdered is one of the lines of investigation being followed by the inspectors. The thesis of homicide integrates the framework of a kidnapping for reasons connected to paedophilia.

The CM knows that the Judiciary Police has undertaken several steps in recent days to try to discover Maddie's body, who disappeared on the night of May 3, 2007 from her bedroom at the tourist resort of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, Lagos.

The inspectors in charge of the case have for that matter presented evidence supporting this hypothesis to the Public Ministry, who decided, last Thursday, to reopen the investigation.

Shortly after the disappearance of Madeleine, the PJ took steps to try to find the cadaver, but those proved fruitless. Inspectors received at the time several false leads about the possible location of the girl's corpse, who was at the time the crime, three years old.

The Judiciary Police also heard several witnesses and returned to the village of Praia da Luz. There, the inspectors took the opportunity to check the location of mobile phone masts.

in Correio da Manhã, 29 October 2013
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on October 29, 2013, 11:00:14 AM
8(0(*

intresting it seems the PJ   still  dont fully  believe in a abductor do they
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 29, 2013, 11:00:30 AM
Yes - the leaks have started already in Portugal
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on October 29, 2013, 11:01:02 AM
At least she backed it up with a link.


an untrustworthy link at that ...you stalking me.. 8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on October 29, 2013, 11:06:12 AM
intresting it seems the PJ   still  dont fully  believe in a abductor do they

To be fair, every avenue should be explored. They should be looking at all scenarios. I hope SY take note.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on October 29, 2013, 11:09:01 AM
To be fair, every avenue should be explored. They should be looking at all scenarios. I hope SY take note.

exactly......
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jazzy on October 29, 2013, 11:12:29 AM
The initial investigation focussed on the parents, maybe it's time to look for an abductor. Maybe it's time to do as Redwood did and say the parents are not of interest to the inquiry and actually find out what happened to that little girl.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on October 29, 2013, 11:18:41 AM
To be fair, every avenue should be explored. They should be looking at all scenarios. I hope SY take note.
So do I.
The GNR now has blood and cadaver dogs.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on October 29, 2013, 11:19:05 AM
The initial investigation focussed on the parents, maybe it's time to look for an abductor. Maybe it's time to do as Redwood did and say the parents are not of interest to the inquiry and actually find out what happened to that little girl.

Many have said that the original investigation was rubbish, so surly you must agree that it should all now be looked at again?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jazzy on October 29, 2013, 11:21:21 AM
Many have said that the original investigation was rubbish, so surly you must agree that it should all now be looked at again?

Absolutely all, not simply finger pointing and "The parents did it"

Do you think Redwood's statement that the parents are not persons of interest is based on not looking at them then?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on October 29, 2013, 11:23:12 AM
i'll await it from the pj's mouth carly not a tabloid article....we all heard from DCI redwoods mouth live on tv that the mccanns and their friends are NOT SUSPECTS !!

glad to see you can do something else though .....rather than (the parents left their babies alone and the pro's the pro's the pro's ...well done  8@??)(
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on October 29, 2013, 11:23:21 AM
Yes - the leaks have started already in Portugal

Yes but have they? Or is it CdM rag spreading false information, again, because they can't get any?
CdM is well known for thier porkies, and don't forget what else is going on at the moment, beside the latest good news. It has to be soured at all costs.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 29, 2013, 11:28:18 AM
Yes but have they? Or is it CdM rag spreading false information, again, because they can't get any?
CdM is well known for thier porkies, and don't forget what else is going on at the moment, beside the latest good news. It has to be soured at all costs.

well I thought we had gone back to 2007 - people believing anything that suits them, but at the same time denying anything that doesn't suit them - from the same article!!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 29, 2013, 11:31:00 AM
"Follow the investigation with CM."

It sounds like they are going to do a running commentary.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on October 29, 2013, 11:40:56 AM
"Follow the investigation with CM."

It sounds like they are going to do a running commentary.

Why? How long have they been on the team?
I doubt there's any selling of leaked information going on this time.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on October 29, 2013, 12:40:10 PM
The initial investigation focussed on the parents, maybe it's time to look for an abductor. Maybe it's time to do as Redwood did and say the parents are not of interest to the inquiry and actually find out what happened to that little girl.

Just to remind you that the initial investigation focused uniquely on an abduction until late July when the British suggested that Maddie was no longer alive.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jazzy on October 29, 2013, 12:42:33 PM
Just to remind you that the initial investigation focused uniquely on an abduction until late July when the British suggested that Maddie was no longer alive.

Really?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on October 29, 2013, 12:47:39 PM
Really?

Yes, really!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on October 29, 2013, 12:48:46 PM

an untrustworthy link at that ...you stalking me.. 8-)(--)

Despite what you think, Correio da Manhã has always been the best at reporting on the case.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on October 29, 2013, 01:02:51 PM
Despite what you think, Correio da Manhã has always been the best at reporting on the case.

WHAT! Are you having a larf? reporting most of the misinformation on the case, more like. But back then, Amaral used to write a column in CdM hadn't he?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on October 29, 2013, 01:14:34 PM
WHAT! Are you having a larf? reporting most of the misinformation on the case, more like. But back then, Amaral used to write a column in CdM hadn't he?

No, I'm not having a laugh! This newspaper has very good sources.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on October 29, 2013, 01:16:58 PM
No, I'm not having a laugh! This newspaper has very good sources.

I am. Did have, now they have none, because there's no one to leak to CdM.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on October 29, 2013, 01:20:00 PM
i'll await it from the pj's mouth carly not a tabloid article....we all heard from DCI redwoods mouth live on tv that the mccanns and their friends are NOT SUSPECTS !!

glad to see you can do something else though .....rather than (the parents left their babies alone and the pro's the pro's the pro's ...well done  8@??)(

Now don't go holding your breath, will you? Seems these Oporto PJ, are tight lipped, and can't be bought!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 29, 2013, 11:04:53 PM
Madeline McCann: Breakthrough as police hunt three 'gypsies' seen lurking nearby
27 October 2013 12:00 AM By Patrick Hill
The men were suspected of being behind a string of burglaries around the resort in the weeks leading up to the youngster being snatched
Priority: Man seen in newly-released e-fits
Police are hunting three men said to be gypsies seen lurking near Madeleine McCann’s holiday apartment before her disappearance, the Sunday People can reveal.

The men were suspected of being behind a string of burglaries around the resort in the weeks leading up to the youngster being snatched .

Police on the re-opened case want to interview janitors who blamed the gypsies for the break-ins.

Officers believe the maintenance men, who fixed a blind in the McCanns’ holiday flat two days before Madeleine went missing in May 2007, are crucial to the case.

Luis Ferro and Mario Moreira were ordered to flat 5A to mend a broken blind in Kate and Gerry’s bedroom at 10am on May 1.

Mr Ferro, quizzed by Portuguese police four days after Madeleine vanished, said gypsies had been ­active in the area at the time.

He mentioned a warehouse near the resort’s Millennium Restaurant where he said the three gypsies had stolen firewood and scrap metal.

The “potentially highly significant” evidence was dismissed as “not relevant or useful” by officers involved in the controversial initial probe – led by disgraced former police chief Goncalo Amaral.

 
PA
 
But it is now being taken seriously after a four-year-old blonde girl was last week found living with gypsies, who had bought her for just £750 in Greece.

"As part of the same line of inquiry, police are also re-examining a suspected sighting of Madeleine the day after she vanished.

The witness reported seeing a girl matching her description laying in the back of a white van driven by two “gypsies” 160 miles away."


The new probe by Portuguese and British police has boosted the hopes of the missing youngster’s anguished parents Kate and Gerry, both 45.

Police in Portugal have drawn up a list of 41 “people of interest” and e-fit ­pictures have been issued of a man seen carrying a child near the resort after Madeleine was taken.

Aged three, Madeleine vanished from the McCanns’ apartment in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, while her ­parents were eating tapas nearby.

They are being kept briefed on developments, but their Portuguese lawyer Rogerio Alves said: “The police asked us not to compromise the investigation and we are obliged to respect the secrecy order.

“It would be a crime for anyone working with full information on the details to talk about it.”

Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, yesterday appealed for people to be “patient” as the new begins.

In a message on their Find Madeleine website, where they have posted a picture of how Maddy would look today aged nine, they asked people to “respect the work of the police as they endeavour to find the answers.”

They added: “We’re very pleased the investigation to find Madeleine has officially been reopened in Portugal.

Anyone with information should contact police, either here in the UK or in Portugal.”

McCanns 'pleased' as probe reopens
Extract:
"As part of the same line of inquiry, police are also re-examining a suspected sighting of Madeleine the day after she vanished.

The witness reported seeing a girl matching her description laying in the back of a white van driven by two “gypsies” 160 miles away."


That is the Carlos Moreira sighting at Samora Correira (east of Lisbon) at 8am the following morning,  With the big green roadside snack bar and the little girl sleeping on a pile of rags in the back of a white van. 

And fits my main theory exactly, timewise and geographical position
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on October 30, 2013, 12:04:45 AM
No, I'm not having a laugh! This newspaper has very good sources.

Yer.  Bent Portuguese coppers.  Where else could they get their information from?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on October 30, 2013, 12:07:33 AM

It does indeed fit your theory, Sadie.  Posted up many moons ago.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 30, 2013, 12:16:45 AM
Extract:
"As part of the same line of inquiry, police are also re-examining a suspected sighting of Madeleine the day after she vanished.

The witness reported seeing a girl matching her description laying in the back of a white van driven by two “gypsies” 160 miles away."


That is the Carlos Moreira sighting at Samora Correira (east of Lisbon) at 8am the following morning,  With the big green roadside snack bar and the little girl sleeping on a pile of rags in the back of a white van. 

And fits my main theory exactly, timewise and geographical position

Your  'main theory'  was shot to bits by Andy Redwood  on Crimewatch
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on October 30, 2013, 12:47:49 AM
Yer.  Bent Portuguese coppers.  Where else could they get their information from?

Ain't that the truth. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 30, 2013, 01:12:39 AM
Ain't that the truth.

'bent Portuguese coppers'   is a phrase that you endorse   Benice  ? 


...  I didn't expect that from you
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 30, 2013, 01:23:31 AM
Your  'main theory'  was shot to bits by Andy Redwood  on Crimewatch
No sadies theory is NOT my main theory.  You got that wrong.  sadies theory was a bit of thoroughly thought out fun.  It fitted in every detail and might be the case.


But my main theory is what happened after PdL.    This theory fits an A4 thick folder and that went into SY ... and I aint sharing the details here.  But Carlos Moreiras sighting fitted in it.  I personally visited that snack bar and have a mini video, recorded accidentally, of the  snack bar "lady" screaming abuse at me. 


I hope that I have helped, but as always I am prepared to be wrong.  However, like the Mediterranean Island sighting, it fits my main theory perfectly ... and I cant help feeling excited.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 30, 2013, 01:30:21 AM
No sadies theory is NOT my main theory.  You got that wrong.  sadies theory was a bit of thoroughly thought out fun.   




You've  been   having  FUN  with your theories about this missing child  ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on October 30, 2013, 01:38:35 AM
No sadies theory is NOT my main theory.  You got that wrong.  sadies theory was a bit of thoroughly thought out fun.  It fitted in every detail and might be the case.


But my main theory is what happened after PdL.    This theory fits an A4 thick folder and that went into SY ... and I aint sharing the details here.  But Carlos Moreiras sighting fitted in it.  I personally visited that snack bar and have a mini video, recorded accidentally, of the  snack bar "lady" screaming abuse at me. 


I hope that I have helped, but as always I am prepared to be wrong.  However, like the Mediterranean Island sighting, it fits my main theory perfectly ... and I cant help feeling excited.

It would be great to hear it!

My theory is that it is an inside job.. i.e that there is a person who worked in OC who knows exactly what happened.
I wish they find that person..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 30, 2013, 01:55:56 AM
You've  been   having  FUN  with your theories about this missing child  ?
It was fun working it out.  Just like doing a big puzzle.  You should try logic Icabod.  You might find it very gratifying when things fit into place.

And it is quite possibly still correct, in part or in total.  I have said all thru that it is only a theory but everything fits.

Your turn to produce a theory that fits in every detail.

Come on,  I challenge you. 

"The sadie / Icabod Challenge !" ... drum roll
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 30, 2013, 02:30:14 AM
It was fun working it out.  Just like doing a big puzzle.  You should try logic Icabod.  You might find it very gratifying when things fit into place.

And it is quite possibly still correct, in part or in total.  I have said all thru that it is only a theory but everything fits.

Your turn to produce a theory that fits in every detail.

Come on,  I challenge you. 

"The sadie / Icabod Challenge !" ... drum roll

Silence the drums  ...  I wouldn't dream of it

We could,  ALL  of us,  sit here and come up with a fairy story that  'fits'

Don't you understand that even those who encourage you know,  deep down,  that they shouldn't  ?

Even now, when Scotland Yard have said otherwise,  you persist with your nonsense   'theory'  ... it's time to take a step away  ...  get back to your own life

I say that sincerely  sadie ... and it's  meant more kindly than  any of the  'pat on the head'  rubbish you get from the  'pro's'  you so admire

You won't see that though,  will you  ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on October 30, 2013, 03:23:11 AM
Silence the drums  ...  I wouldn't dream of it

We could,  ALL  of us,  sit here and come up with a fairy story that  'fits'

Don't you understand that even those who encourage you know,  deep down,  that they shouldn't  ?

Even now, when Scotland Yard have said otherwise,  you persist with your nonsense   'theory'  ... it's time to take a step away  ...  get back to your own life

I say that sincerely  sadie ... and it's  meant more kindly than  any of the  'pat on the head'  rubbish you get from the  'pro's'  you so admire

You won't see that though,  will you  ?

My dear icabod, I am a great admirer of your meaningful and insightful posts, as you probably know, but I do have to correct you on one tiny aspect of the above.

If I, as a so-called 'pro' (though not one who is afraid to question the McCanns if I believe they are not acting in their own and their daughter's best interests), happen to be in agreement with sadie or anyone else on a certain point, it is not a matter of 'patting on the head'. We are all independent enough thinkers on this forum, and confident enough in the business of challenging each other, that such a concept is irrelevant here.

Advancing a theory - with the caveat that all or part of it could be proven wrong - is a crucial part of the investigative process, be that in crime, science, philosophy, or any serious endeavour. A person knows when they advance a theory that there's a good chance it could emerge weatherbeaten after submission to the rigours of inquiry and debate, and that that is the very mechanism for moving things forward.

It takes a great deal of courage to put ideas out there, especially in this case, because to this day nobody knows what has happened to Madeleine. It is an inevitability that many if not most of us on this forum will be proven very wrong in much of what we have postulated and said.

Better to advance a theory and hold it up to the ravages of the various tempests that afflict it in the name of progress, than sit safely in one's armchair saying less for fear of making a mistake.

Not that I'm accusing you of that, icabod.

Just a brief defence of us 'theorists'.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 30, 2013, 04:27:33 AM
My dear icabod, I am a great admirer of your meaningful and insightful posts, as you probably know, but I do have to correct you on one tiny aspect of the above.

If I, as a so-called 'pro' (though not one who is afraid to question the McCanns if I believe they are not acting in their own and their daughter's best interests), happen to be in agreement with sadie or anyone else on a certain point, it is not a matter of 'patting on the head'. We are all independent enough thinkers on this forum, and confident enough in the business of challenging each other, that such a concept is irrelevant here.

Advancing a theory - with the caveat that all or part of it could be proven wrong - is a crucial part of the investigative process, be that in crime, science, philosophy, or any serious endeavour. A person knows when they advance a theory that there's a good chance it could emerge weatherbeaten after submission to the rigours of inquiry and debate, and that that is the very mechanism for moving things forward.

It takes a great deal of courage to put ideas out there, especially in this case, because to this day nobody knows what has happened to Madeleine. It is an inevitability that many if not most of us on this forum will be proven very wrong in much of what we have postulated and said.

Better to advance a theory and hold it up to the ravages of the various tempests that afflict it in the name of progress, than sit safely in one's armchair saying less for fear of making a mistake.

Not that I'm accusing you of that, icabod.

Just a brief defence of us 'theorists'.

hmm  ... all that smart arse stuff goes right over my head

...  and I  maintain that encouraging a forum member to lose themselves in a fantasty world  is  unkind ...  I say that from the safety  of my armchair ,  as most of us  do
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on October 30, 2013, 04:49:12 AM
hmm  ... all that smart arse stuff goes right over my head

...  and I  maintain that encouraging a forum member to lose themselves in a fantasty world  is  unkind ...  I say that from the safety  of my armchair ,  as most of us  do

I'm sure it doesn't...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 30, 2013, 07:54:15 AM
oh my word! This is a missing child we are talking about here and you use words like "fun" and "exciting" when you explain your investigations. Seriously? I can't think what is fun or exciting about any of it.

On a secondary note, could you explain what makes you qualified to provide SY with your A4 folder of information. Are you a member of a police force, private eye etc, or are you, like the rest of us, just have an interest in the case? Because if it's the latter, as I suspect, then I'm sure SY and the PJ have plenty of people much more qualified than any of us to investigate and come up with their own theories of what happened. Providing them with your own theories just seems a bit OTT in my opinion. And in all honesty, I think dealing with paper work from uninvolved members of the public is taking staff from duties they would much better spend their time with.

Yes OpenMinded, well said.

In the end we are observers and have our opinions on the case. but no more.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on October 30, 2013, 08:48:37 AM
hmm  ... all that smart arse stuff goes right over my head

...  and I  maintain that encouraging a forum member to lose themselves in a fantasty world  is  unkind ...  I say that from the safety  of my armchair ,  as most of us  do

What a spiteful attack on a forum member who has done a huge amount of proper research into this case, has provided us with photographs and has actually been to the site - which in itself is an advantage over those of us who haven't.   

Sadie believes the same as SY - i.e. that Madeleine was the victim of stranger abduction.   Are SY in a fantasy world too?

Just like yourself Sadie is entitled to express her opinion on here.   

As far as I am concerned those who believe that the McCanns, aided and abetted by 7 people, some of whom they hardly knew, disposed of a dead child's body -  and then all carried on as normal  - enjoying their holiday -  as if what had happened was no more than the tiniest blip in proceedings, are quite few paces closer to a fantasy world than anyone else.   


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jazzy on October 30, 2013, 08:56:22 AM
What a spiteful attack on a forum member who has done a huge amount of proper research into this case, has provided us with photographs and has actually been to the site - which in itself is an advantage over those of us who haven't.   

Sadie believes the same as SY - i.e. that Madeleine was the victim of stranger abduction.   Are SY in a fantasy world too?

Just like yourself Sadie is entitled to express her opinion on here.   

As far as I am concerned those who believe that the McCanns, aided and abetted by 7 people, some of whom they hardly knew, disposed of a dead child's body -  and then all carried on as normal  - enjoying their holiday -  as if what had happened was no more than the tiniest blip in proceedings, are quite few paces closer to a fantasy world than anyone else.

 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 30, 2013, 09:17:01 AM
8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(

Isn't this rank hypocrisy when Mccann supporters criticize and ridicule other theories about the Mccanns having hidden the truth of what happened to Madeleine, but don't like it when one's such as Sadie's are pulled apart ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jazzy on October 30, 2013, 09:25:15 AM
Isn't this rank hypocrisy when Mccann supporters criticize and ridicule other theories about the Mccanns having hidden the truth of what happened to Madeleine, but don't like it when one's such as Sadie's are pulled apart ?

No, I personally don't like it when Sadie is bullied, yet again.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 30, 2013, 09:28:36 AM
No, I personally don't like it when Sadie is bullied, yet again.


If you have been observant, 'bullying' as you call it has been present from both sides.

Also, I notice you didn't comment on the FACT, that alternative theories about the mccanns are targeted with abuse. >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jazzy on October 30, 2013, 09:31:33 AM

If you have been observant, 'bullying' as you call it has been present from both sides.

Also, I notice you didn't comment on the FACT, that alternative theories about the mccanns are targeted with abuse. >@@(*&)

Why would I comment on that? I have no interest in them. The only "theory" I am interested in is the official police one.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on October 30, 2013, 09:41:40 AM

If you have been observant, 'bullying' as you call it has been present from both sides.

Also, I notice you didn't comment on the FACT, that alternative theories about the mccanns are targeted with abuse. >@@(*&)

What alternative theories?   - please point to just one that is credible but which IYO has been targetted with abuse.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 30, 2013, 09:48:10 AM
What alternative theories?   - please point to just one that is credible but which IYO has been targetted with abuse.

You are well aware of the main alternative theory, so don't play games.

As to the abuse it has produced, well you know exactly where that originates.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on October 30, 2013, 10:03:26 AM
You are well aware of the main alternative theory, so don't play games.

As to the abuse it has produced, well you know exactly where that originates.

I can truthfully say I have never read a single credible alternative theory to abduction.  And IMO if one existed you would be spamming the board with it on a daily basis.    Your reluctance to divulge what exactly this theory is and provide proof of its credibility  - says it all IMO.

I can also assure you I have no idea what you mean by ''you know exactly where that (abuse) originates'  Please clarify.









Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on October 30, 2013, 10:05:19 AM
hmm  ... all that smart arse stuff goes right over my head

...  and I  maintain that encouraging a forum member to lose themselves in a fantasy world  is  unkind ...  I say that from the safety  of my armchair ,  as most of us  do
I share with SH admiration for the finesse of Icabodcrane's posts, but I share with Icabodcrane the opinion that feeding illusory worlds isn't fair. If fantasy doesn't at least entertain like in Enid Blyton novels, it can't but frustrate either its builder and its public as it offers no challenge to what in ourselves needs to understand.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 30, 2013, 10:08:05 AM
I can truthfully say I have never read a single credible alternative theory to abduction.  And IMO if one existed you would be spamming the board with it on a daily basis.    Your reluctance to divulge what exactly this theory is and provide proof of its credibility  - says it all IMO.

I can also assure you I have no idea what you mean by ''you know exactly where that (abuse) originates'  Please clarify.

Merely because you don't accept other theories does not make you right. That is your opinion and no more.

Besides you can no more prove abduction than I can prove Madeleine had an accident in the apartment.

In the former, no proof at all, in the latter the forensics were inconclusive.

As to your latter sentence, you are not that naive.



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 30, 2013, 10:11:11 AM
" Madeleine had an accident in the apartment"

Is that the main alternative theory?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 30, 2013, 10:12:08 AM
" Madeleine had an accident in the apartment"

Is that the main alternative theory?

What do you think are the others ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 30, 2013, 10:15:30 AM
What do you think are the others ?

I only saw one - it was deleted in a matter of minutes.

If you know of any others please feel free to inform the forum.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on October 30, 2013, 10:24:35 AM
Merely because you don't accept other theories does not make you right. That is your opinion and no more.

Besides you can no more prove abduction than I can prove Madeleine had an accident in the apartment.

In the former, no proof at all, in the latter the forensics were inconclusive.

As to your latter sentence, you are not that naive.

SY say you are wrong  - and if it's a choice between their expertise and knowledge of the case and yours - then its no contest imo.

Naive or not -  I still have no idea what you mean when you say:-

''As to the abuse it has produced, well you know exactly where that originates.''

Please clarify.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on October 30, 2013, 10:28:21 AM
I can truthfully say I have never read a single credible alternative theory to abduction.  And IMO if one existed you would be spamming the board with it on a daily basis.    Your reluctance to divulge what exactly this theory is and provide proof of its credibility  - says it all IMO.

I can also assure you I have no idea what you mean by ''you know exactly where that (abuse) originates'  Please clarify.
Credible alternative theories to the abduction one exist, but can hardly be expressed plainly, unless the author is potentially suicidal or writes a fiction, changing protagonists, places, names and circumstances for protection reason. It has already be done, offering an interesting narrative, possibly illuminating mutatis mutandis the McCann case (the abduction's default is the lack of narrative), but was precisely too much fictionalised to captivate readers. Carter Ruck rightly found it useless to react.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 30, 2013, 10:32:06 AM
I agree it would be very difficult to propose a theory on an open forum that involves the Mccanns in any way, as there is no evidence (at present) that would support that theory. Hence the risk of libel.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on October 30, 2013, 10:36:05 AM
I agree it would be very difficult to propose a theory on an open forum that involves the Mccanns in any way, as there is no evidence (at present) that would support that theory. Hence the risk of libel.

Plenty exists a posteriori.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on October 30, 2013, 10:43:01 AM
Actually the more i read about it, and some stuff lately coming forward as old news I think it was the maintenance man.

When someone tries to point towards someone else it is usually a lie...he tried to point to gypsies.....

I have always thought the child knew the person, died in the apartment, and that is why the dogs scented there...He would easily be able to get out the front door and I have always thought who ever killed her used the empty apartment above to hide her body. The dogs indicated outside that apartment and he would have access to a key.

He would also know where to hide her body.

What was bugging me was how could someone get in the front door or out, but if they had a copy of that key which was an unusual key, he could easily go in to burgle perhaps, and the child woke up and he over reacted......

He knew the ritual of the family and how often they would check them.

Yes it makes sense. The only thing that bugged me was JT sighting, and also GM saying he saw her at 9.10. I am not sure I believe that. I wonder if he just listened at door, then saw his friend and decided to chat to him instead.

Probably way off base lol...but its the pointing elsewhere that gets me everytime. Especially pointing at Romas all the time.

I hope finally we get resolution for the child. It just all makes sense to me now.

I think the dogs were right, and that he touched stuff like the toy, and went into wardrobes looking for stuff etc and all this was transference....so the McCanns carried the scent with them.

I believe he went in with a bag to carry stuff (they must have had laptops etc), and used it to take the child instead.

Is that a good enough theory for anyone?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on October 30, 2013, 12:25:48 PM
I share with SH admiration for the finesse of Icabodcrane's posts, but I share with Icabodcrane the opinion that feeding illusory worlds isn't fair. If fantasy doesn't at least entertain like in Enid Blyton novels, it can't but frustrate either its builder and its public as it offers no challenge to what in ourselves needs to understand.

There is a distinction between sheer fantasy and building a hypothesis.

A hypothesis has to be built on something concrete. It involves conjecture, but it also involves facts.

There are people on this forum who have hypotheses as to what may have happened. They may be incorrect, but they are not baseless.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 30, 2013, 12:54:54 PM
Madeleine McCann police sift 4,000 calls following TV appeal
Leicester Mercury

Oct 30, 2013 7:03AM
 
Madeleine McCann
Detectives are continuing to examine information after receiving 4,000 calls about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Metropolitan Police officers are poring over possible leads and sightings following appeals on Crimewatch and German and Dutch TV programmes two weeks ago.

A Met Police spokesman said they had received 3,000 calls and e-mails after the British show, 500 calls following the German TV broadcast and 350 after it was shown in the Netherlands.

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Portuguese police have since reopened their investigation after the Portugal Policia Judiciaria asked the government for permission to have another look into the case, as witnesses who were not questioned in the initial investigation had been identified.

Portuguese police had shelved their initial investigation in 2008, the year after Madeleine vanished.

Crimewatch aired a reconstruction of the night Madeleine went missing. New e-fits of men seen nearby on the night were released.

The BBC show also revealed a former prime suspect – a man who seen carrying a girl in pyjamas at 9.15pm on the night Madeleine disappeared – was an innocent British tourist.

Madeleine's parents, Gerry and Kate, said: "We urge anyone who may have information relating to Madeleine's abduction to contact police."

Madeleine, of Rothley, was three when she went missing from her family's holiday flat in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3, 2007.

Anyone with any information should contact Met Police by calling 0207 321 9251 or by e-mailing:

Operation.Grange@ met.pnn.police.uk

Report
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 30, 2013, 01:03:28 PM
Kazcutt, how shocking - you pointed out something completely logical and bleeding obvious.

but this is the PJ part of the review and it was stated to be different to SY investigation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on October 30, 2013, 01:07:34 PM
Kazcutt, how shocking - you pointed out something completely logical and bleeding obvious.

Sadly this doesn't appear to have occurred to Goncalo Amaral.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 30, 2013, 01:23:04 PM
"What about pings 8.30pm-10pm on May 3rd. Have you investigated these?"

No need as Madeleine was in Praia da Luz at that time. When she could've left in the rental car is what I'm investigating and no doubt what the police are also doing.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 30, 2013, 01:24:55 PM
"What about pings 8.30pm-10pm on May 3rd. Have you investigated these?"

No need as Madeleine was in Praia da Luz at that time. When she could've left is what I'm investigating and what the police are also doing no doubt.

yes but what if a suspicious phone was activated in PDL around that time?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on October 31, 2013, 08:14:03 AM
how long does one have to wait for a approval of a thread ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on October 31, 2013, 11:11:04 AM
how long does one have to wait for a approval of a thread ?

Do you think admin can be available every minute 24/7 ?    If you need to blame anyone blame the muppets whose actions created the need to have new threads pre-authorised in the first place.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on October 31, 2013, 11:19:54 AM
Do you think admin can be available every minute 24/7 ?    If you need to blame anyone blame the muppets whose actions created the need to have new threads pre-authorised in the first place.

TOUCHY!! who rattled your cage..i was only asking.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Admin on October 31, 2013, 12:10:38 PM
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: j.rob on October 31, 2013, 01:55:21 PM
The reason the abduction theory does not make much sense is that the McCanns did not believe it was  something that would happen. In interviews they have said things like 'it's so rare', 'it was the last thing on our minds'.

They did not consider abduction as a risk factor when they left the children in the apartment and every now and then listened outside for the sound of crying (which is what the nannies used to do in some resorts when parents ate their dinner - they would listen outside the bedroom doors of the sleeping children.) The reason for their listening outside was to hear if any of the children were crying.

Given that abduction by a stranger was something they considered to be very unlikely, why would it be the fist conclusion that they would jump to when Madeleine went missing?

There are a score of other things that could have happened. She could have been hiding somewhere in the apartment (for instance she woke up and was scared and hid somewhere). She could have sleep walked either to a hidden corner in the apartment or indeed somewhere outside the apartment. She could have gone off to try to find her parents - to the creche, to the restaurant and so on.

She could have tried to get to one of the other apartments where the McCann friends' children were asleep - in other words trying to find one of her friends.  Someone could have heard her crying, or heard an accident and gone into the apartment to comfort her. If there had been an accident while the children were unattended someone could have taken the child to the creche or to get medical help. A nanny could have gone in, heard her in distress and taken her out to find her parents or to the creche.

She could have wandered around the resort and got lost, or wandered out of the resort. A kindly person could have found her and taken her somewhere to try to locate her parents/the police.

And so on and so on.

But no - the parents who did not believe that their children were at risk from abduction by a stranger were practically from the outset convinced that their child had been abducted - and abducted by someone working as part of a paedophile gang.

That to me does not make sense.

And as I have repeatedly stated, the last people who saw Madeleine are crucial to any investigation into a missing child.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 31, 2013, 02:07:57 PM
The reason the abduction theory does not make much sense is that the McCanns did not believe it was  something that would happen. In interviews they have said things like 'it's so rare', 'it was the last thing on our minds'.

They did not consider abduction as a risk factor when they left the children in the apartment and every now and then listened outside for the sound of crying (which is what the nannies used to do in some resorts when parents ate their dinner - they would listen outside the bedroom doors of the sleeping children.) The reason for their listening outside was to hear if any of the children were crying.

Given that abduction by a stranger was something they considered to be very unlikely, why would it be the fist conclusion that they would jump to when Madeleine went missing?

There are a score of other things that could have happened. She could have been hiding somewhere in the apartment (for instance she woke up and was scared and hid somewhere). She could have sleep walked either to a hidden corner in the apartment or indeed somewhere outside the apartment. She could have gone off to try to find her parents - to the creche, to the restaurant and so on.

She could have tried to get to one of the other apartments where the McCann friends' children were asleep - in other words trying to find one of her friends.  Someone could have heard her crying, or heard an accident and gone into the apartment to comfort her. If there had been an accident while the children were unattended someone could have taken the child to the creche or to get medical help. A nanny could have gone in, heard her in distress and taken her out to find her parents or to the creche.

She could have wandered around the resort and got lost, or wandered out of the resort. A kindly person could have found her and taken her somewhere to try to locate her parents/the police.

And so on and so on.

But no - the parents who did not believe that their children were at risk from abduction by a stranger were practically from the outset convinced that their child had been abducted - and abducted by someone working as part of a paedophile gang.

That to me does not make sense.

And as I have repeatedly stated, the last people who saw Madeleine are crucial to any investigation into a missing child.



http://www.mccannfiles.com/id301.html

Reporter:

 "What evidence do you have that there was an abduction? Can I ask this question because you say that Amaral doesn't have..."

Kate McCann:

 "Because I know. I was there, I found my daughter gone. I know more than you do. I know what I saw."

"I knew immediately she'd been taken."
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 31, 2013, 02:32:19 PM
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id301.html

Reporter:

 "What evidence do you have that there was an abduction? Can I ask this question because you say that Amaral doesn't have..."

Kate McCann:

 "Because I know. I was there, I found my daughter gone. I know more than you do. I know what I saw."

"I knew immediately she'd been taken."
Yep, she knew that Madeleine would not have known how to open the window, that she would not have had the ability to do so, that she could not have climbed out without scraping herself in the fall on the other side. thatt there wre no footprints on the bed under the window



.... and that she had left her beloved Cuddlecat.


Of course Kate knew.  She aint daft !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 31, 2013, 02:34:13 PM
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id301.html

Reporter:

 "What evidence do you have that there was an abduction? Can I ask this question because you say that Amaral doesn't have..."

Kate McCann:

 "Because I know. I was there, I found my daughter gone. I know more than you do. I know what I saw."

"I knew immediately she'd been taken."

Hmm,  it was always the way whilst  the cloak of 'secrecy laws'  was wrapped round them

Lot's of hints and innuendo about what they  'knew'  but just weren't allowed to tell us

Turned out there was nothing
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 31, 2013, 02:42:43 PM
Hmm,  it was always the way whilst  the cloak of 'secrecy laws'  was wrapped round them

Lot's of hints and innuendo about what they  'knew'  but just weren't allowed to tell us

Turned out there was nothing
Kate knew alright.

Yep, she knew that Madeleine would/ could not have
1)  known how to open the window,
2)  had the ability to do so,
3)  climbed out without scraping herself in the fall on the other side.
Also that there were no footprints on the bed under the window. nor fibres, nor marks on the wondow or sill



.... and that she would not have left her beloved Cuddlecat.

They knew alright.  Sadly

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on October 31, 2013, 02:44:29 PM
Kate knew alright.

Yep, she knew that Madeleine would/ could not have
1)  known how to open the window,
2)  had the ability to do so,
3)  climbed out without scraping herself in the fall on the other side.
Also that there were no footprints on the bed under the window. nor fibres, nor marks on the wondow or sill



.... and that she would not have left her beloved Cuddlecat.

They knew alright.  Sadly

Bizarre that that information was covered by judicial secrecy.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 31, 2013, 02:44:50 PM
Kate knew alright.

Yep, she knew that Madeleine would/ could not have
1)  known how to open the window,
2)  had the ability to do so,
3)  climbed out without scraping herself in the fall on the other side.
Also that there were no footprints on the bed under the window. nor fibres, nor marks on the wondow or sill



.... and that she would not have left her beloved Cuddlecat.

They knew alright.  Sadly

'beloved cuddlecat.'

How long had Madeleine had one of these for ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 31, 2013, 02:48:19 PM
Kate knew alright.

Yep, she knew that Madeleine would/ could not have
1)  known how to open the window,
2)  had the ability to do so,
3)  climbed out without scraping herself in the fall on the other side.
Also that there were no footprints on the bed under the window. nor fibres, nor marks on the wondow or sill



.... and that she would not have left her beloved Cuddlecat.

They knew alright.  Sadly

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2765.0

SO protests’ arguing the issue is to consider the conclusions. He asks about the "death" theory.

MF says it is more likely that the child died. And he adds it is impossible that someone passed through the window with a child. He says the abduction theory then doesn't make sense. He observes that there are many possibilities, it's perfectly admissible for instance that the child went out to search for her parents. If the child died, it could have been outside of the flat or in the flat. But, he says, the disappearance never could have happened through the window, he insists that it is essential to understand that it is technically, humanly, impossible. The witness concludes affirming that all the hypotheses are possible, except for the abduction “through that window”.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 31, 2013, 02:48:54 PM
'beloved cuddlecat.'

How long had Madeleine had one of these for ?
Long enough for her to love it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 31, 2013, 02:51:26 PM
Long enough for her to love it.

How  long ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on October 31, 2013, 02:51:47 PM
'beloved cuddlecat.'

How long had Madeleine had one of these for ?

Now there hangs a tail. I read that it was the uncle who bought 2 for the twins.

Would make sense.

I have seen a photo of maddy with her precious and favorite toy and it was a brown bear, she was actually riding piggy back on her dads back and cuddling it and it stated it was her FAVORITE TOY.

I also found several photos of the girl twin with a pink toy the same as cuddle cat. Now did Maddy take one of the toys of the other twin (jealous)...it does happen.

There is a photo of Mrs McCann on her way to Rome and she is holding the toy, and Amelie is stretching outwards trying to grab it back off her.......................

I am or never was convinced it was Maddys favorite toy.....I think it was a very convenient prop.....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 31, 2013, 02:54:41 PM
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2765.0

SO protests’ arguing the issue is to consider the conclusions. He asks about the "death" theory.

MF says it is more likely that the child died. And he adds it is impossible that someone passed through the window with a child. He says the abduction theory then doesn't make sense. He observes that there are many possibilities, it's perfectly admissible for instance that the child went out to search for her parents. If the child died, it could have been outside of the flat or in the flat. But, he says, the disappearance never could have happened through the window, he insists that it is essential to understand that it is technically, humanly, impossible. The witness concludes affirming that all the hypotheses are possible, except for the abduction “through that window”.
Whose MF when he is at home?.

Moita Flores .... Just a writer and self publicist, ex PJ.

Who is he to take complete notice of?  And he is totally biased


He doesn't even have the wit to consider that the front door, THE HIDDEN FRONT DOOR IN COMPLETE DARKNESS, could and probably was used
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 31, 2013, 02:54:58 PM
Now there hangs a tail. I read that it was the uncle who bought 2 for the twins.

Would make sense.

I have seen a photo of maddy with her precious and favorite toy and it was a brown bear, she was actually riding piggy back on her dads back and cuddling it and it stated it was her FAVORITE TOY.

I also found several photos of the girl twin with a pink toy the same as cuddle cat. Now did Maddy take one of the toys of the other twin (jealous)...it does happen.

There is a photo of Mrs McCann on her way to Rome and she is holding the toy, and Amelie is stretching outwards trying to grab it back off her.......................

I am or never was convinced it was Maddys favorite toy.....I think it was a very convenient prop.....

I agree, just a prop.

No more.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on October 31, 2013, 02:55:59 PM
Now there hangs a tail. I read that it was the uncle who bought 2 for the twins.

Would make sense.

I have seen a photo of maddy with her precious and favorite toy and it was a brown bear, she was actually riding piggy back on her dads back and cuddling it and it stated it was her FAVORITE TOY.

I also found several photos of the girl twin with a pink toy the same as cuddle cat. Now did Maddy take one of the toys of the other twin (jealous)...it does happen.

There is a photo of Mrs McCann on her way to Rome and she is holding the toy, and Amelie is stretching outwards trying to grab it back off her.......................

I am or never was convinced it was Maddys favorite toy.....I think it was a very convenient prop.....

do you have link please..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 31, 2013, 02:56:39 PM
Whose MF when he is at home?.

Moita Flores .... Just a writer and self publicist, ex PJ.

Who is he to take complete notice of?  And he is totally biased


He doesn't even have the wit to consider that the front door, THE HIDDEN FRONT DOOR IN COMPLETE DARKNESS, could and probably was used

'And he is totally biased'

and you are exactly the same.

You have claimed to stand next to gm ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 31, 2013, 02:57:46 PM
Now there hangs a tail. I read that it was the uncle who bought 2 for the twins.

Would make sense.

I have seen a photo of maddy with her precious and favorite toy and it was a brown bear, she was actually riding piggy back on her dads back and cuddling it and it stated it was her FAVORITE TOY.

I also found several photos of the girl twin with a pink toy the same as cuddle cat. Now did Maddy take one of the toys of the other twin (jealous)...it does happen.

There is a photo of Mrs McCann on her way to Rome and she is holding the toy, and Amelie is stretching outwards trying to grab it back off her.......................

I am or never was convinced it was Maddys favorite toy.....I think it was a very convenient prop.....

Photos please colombossttogey
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 31, 2013, 03:25:27 PM
For God's sake - what is going on.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 31, 2013, 03:30:24 PM
Photos please colombossttogey
I need those photos IMPO, because I want to see the ages of the children at the time, so that we can assess just how long before PdL Madeleine was waving the brown bear.  Cos it might be ages before.

And in any case some kids love more than one toy, but have one especially for when they are tired out at bedtime.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 31, 2013, 03:34:46 PM
'And he is totally biased'

and you are exactly the same.

You have claimed to stand next to gm ?
No, I am not, but I cannot stand lies and peeps putting the boot in.  I believe in Innocent unless proven guilty.  You provide something to make me change my mind and I will consider it.

Also I believe I know who was behind these abductions and where Madeleine was taken.



Yes I have briefly talked with him on a one to one basis.  I have stood right next to him.  OK ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 31, 2013, 03:40:05 PM
No, I am not, but I cannot stand lies and peeps putting the boot in.  I believe in Innocent unless proven guilty.  You provide something to make me change my mind and I will consider it.

Also I believe I know who was behind these abductions and where Madeleine was taken.



Yes I have briefly talked with him on a one to one basis.  I have stood right next to him.  OK ?


Of course you are biased.

A belief isn't necessarily the truth.

Have the police acted upon your information ?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on October 31, 2013, 03:56:47 PM
Photos please colombossttogey

I will try and find them again it was long time ago. I did have loads of stuff on bookmarks but that was on an old laptop.

Let me do some digging. I tell you what it was around the same time there was a photo of her and a pony.

I must admit it was a lovely photo of her with her daddy. Really sweet. But really did have a brown bear and she wasnt that young either....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jazzy on October 31, 2013, 03:59:06 PM
I will try and find them again it was long time ago. I did have loads of stuff on bookmarks but that was on an old laptop.

Let me do some digging. I tell you what it was around the same time there was a photo of her and a pony.

I must admit it was a lovely photo of her with her daddy. Really sweet. But really did have a brown bear and she wasnt that young either....

Yes, lots of nice photos of her and her family, they show a happy little girl with a loving home, don't they?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 31, 2013, 04:01:42 PM
The mind boggles about what some people have saved to their computers - and more importantly - the reason for it!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on October 31, 2013, 04:13:03 PM
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2765.0

SO protests’ arguing the issue is to consider the conclusions. He asks about the "death" theory.

MF says it is more likely that the child died. And he adds it is impossible that someone passed through the window with a child. He says the abduction theory then doesn't make sense. He observes that there are many possibilities, it's perfectly admissible for instance that the child went out to search for her parents. If the child died, it could have been outside of the flat or in the flat. But, he says, the disappearance never could have happened through the window, he insists that it is essential to understand that it is technically, humanly, impossible. The witness concludes affirming that all the hypotheses are possible, except for the abduction “through that window”.

A PJ Officer managed to get in and out of that window.  But there is also a door, in case you hadn't noticed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 31, 2013, 04:20:04 PM
A PJ Officer managed to get in and out of that window.  But there is also a door, in case you hadn't noticed.

Carrying a sleeping child?

No of course there were 2 abductors

Which ones were they then bundleman & a spice girl.?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on October 31, 2013, 04:28:02 PM


But no - the parents who did not believe that their children were at risk from abduction by a stranger were practically from the outset convinced that their child had been abducted - and abducted by someone working as part of a paedophile gang.

That to me does not make sense.

And as I have repeatedly stated, the last people who saw Madeleine are crucial to any investigation into a missing child.
This is why they invented the forced shutters/window narrative that evidently no friend, no relative would doubt. Once the idea of abduction was in all minds, spread by the media in a nutshell, the issue was just to stick to it. The risk was null as long as they'd grasp the abduction life buoy, repeating that Madeleine was missing. There was no evidence of it, but there was no evidence of anything else as well.
Who is the last to have seen Madeleine ? It's Mr Payne who later made two different statements (and didn't mention any seeing Madeleine this day in his 4th of May statement).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 31, 2013, 04:32:12 PM

Of course you are biased.

A belief isn't necessarily the truth.

Have the police acted upon your information ?
Well they listened to me at sargeant level.

The last thing I would expect is to get a running commentary from them.  I prefer the British "keep the investigation quiet" approach to the "leak it all out" approach tbh


But certain things are possibly confirming my investiagtion and thoughts now.

Stephen , I always know I can be wrong and am continually honing my thoughts, but I worked in a most serious manner on this over 5 long years and to a much lesser extent am still.

If I am wrong then i shall always know that i gave it my best .... but having said that I really think that much that I have discoverd is correct .... and I hope that I have helped in the search for Madeleine and 6 other missing PT children.

You see there were a large number of little clusters of info that had fitted together .... and suddenly these little clusters themselves fitted together to make a big picture, just like a massive jigsaw.  It was very exciting and i knew it was my duty to pass it on to SY




Since then I have found a very unusual and unlikely source that confirms my findings, altho not in the fine detail that I have discovered.


I tell you something,
...  if I am correct and if it all comes out, then even without the Madeleine component it will send much bigger waves ariound the world than the Jimmy Savile case did.  Some huge names seem to be involved.


Trouble is that some peeps/organisations are probably so powerful that they are untouchable.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 01, 2013, 03:59:00 PM
Madeleine McCann chief suspect 'was a thief who should have been deported from Portugal'
1 Nov 2013 08:37
The 40-year-old had been working at the Ocean Club holiday complex in Praia de Luz, where the McCanns were staying when Maddie disappeared

 
Still missing: Madeleine McCann
PA
A chief suspect in the Madeleine McCann case should have been deported for another crime before her disappearance, it is claimed.

Instead, the man is said to have received a presidential pardon after he was convicted of theft.

Reports in Portugal told how the suspect, who has since been killed at the age of 40 in a tractor accident, was an immigrant from Cape Verde who faced being kicked out following his conviction.

But he was spared being returned home in 1996 after a pardon by Portugal's then president Jorge Sampaio.

The man, a former worker at the Praia da Luz holiday hotel complex from which the three-year-old British girl disappeared six years ago, died in 2009. Detectives fear that he took the secret of what happened to Madeleine to his grave.

They believe that he may have snatched her in a revenge bid against the Ocean Club resort after being sacked. A newspaper in Portugal claims that officers from the Policia Judiciaria have quizzed his wife.

A relative told Correio de Manha: "They are looking for a suspect who can't defend himself. People's lives can't be exposed this way."

Police reportedly identified him as their main suspect by tracing his phone after finding he was around the McCanns' holiday apartment when Madeleine disappeared on May 3, 2007.


Hopes: Kate and Gerry McCann with age progressed Maddie picture
Getty
The man was living 15 miles away in the town of Lagos at the time of her abduction.

He was not on the list of employees handed over to police by Ocean Club bosses because he had already been sacked.

The newspaper report claims Portuguese detectives fear he killed Maddie and are now searching for her body.

A source told the paper the police think he may have murdered her to "shut her up" after the case attracted huge media interest. Portugal's Attorney General gave the go-ahead for the inquiry to be reopened last week at the request of the nation's police force.

The original case - which saw detectives name parents Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, as formal suspects - was shelved in 2008. Last week the Portuguese police said they no longer regarded the couple as suspects, or arguidos.

It emerged over the weekend that police were planning to re-interview several Ocean Club employees. More than 130 workers - many British - were questioned during the initial inquiry. They included two maintenance men who fixed a blind in the McCanns' apartment two days before Maddie vanished as her parents were dining in a nearby tapas restaurant.

The couple's TV appearance on Crimewatch last month produced an "overwhelming response", says Scotland Yard. More than 1,000 people contacted the force with information on the disappearance.

And at least two callers gave the same name for a man in a new e-fit picture.

The senior investigating officer, Det Chief Insp Andy Redwood, said he was "extremely pleased" with the response.

The review by Portuguese police that saw the case reopened has led to the identification of new clues, which Scotland Yard stressed were "separate" from work already completed by British detectives.

Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley called it a "significant point" in the hunt for Maddie.

He revealed that Kate and Gerry were briefed on new developments in Lisbon and added: "The new momentum is encouraging but we still have a way to go."



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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 01, 2013, 04:09:08 PM
the pj is getting desperate trying to pin a childs abduction on a dead man that cant speak for himself ...perhaps they also desperate to solve this to get rid of sy out of there .. >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 01, 2013, 05:30:39 PM
No body is trying to pin anything on anyone. They are investigating a lead. I assume you want all leads investigated.

how would you know what the pj are doing or not doing ? ....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 01, 2013, 05:33:45 PM
why are there 2 threads discussing the same topic?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2850.msg98842#new
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 01, 2013, 05:41:18 PM
why are there 2 threads discussing the same topic?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2850.msg98842#new

Just to get on your nerves maybe (admin don't mind so why would you ?
And tomorrow there may be another news to post .easier to find the news in one place ?????
Why worry
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 01, 2013, 05:42:29 PM
that will be because kazcutt posted the latest news on the tractor man ...in the latest news thread ...ask her anyway
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 01, 2013, 05:42:52 PM
Just to get on your nerves maybe (admin don't mind so why would you ?
And tomorrow there may be another news to post .easier to find the news in one place ?????
Why worry

fair enough - noted

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 01, 2013, 05:44:52 PM
was you go answered easy as that ...... 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 01, 2013, 05:47:52 PM
Sorry if it offends anyone .i just thought its good to keep the news together plus it's good to keep up with latest news .

Nothing going on anyway atm
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 01, 2013, 05:50:19 PM
Sorry if it offends anyone .i just thought its good to keep the news together plus it's good to keep up with latest news .

Nothing going on anyway atm

if it was just a news and no comment thread fine - but it generates the same discussion on two different threads.

I hope you understand.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 01, 2013, 05:52:18 PM
Sorry if it offends anyone .i just thought its good to keep the news together plus it's good to keep up with latest news .

Nothing going on anyway atm

this ones not complaining I stuck up for you with an explaination ....latest news etc ....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 01, 2013, 05:53:35 PM
Sorry if it offends anyone .i just thought its good to keep the news together plus it's good to keep up with latest news .

Nothing going on anyway atm

Actually I agree with you....like other forums have a press section for reference, its handy to have a thread to post the latest articles...sometimes people dont look for a whole day or two....this will get filled in with comments in between though, but not a big problem or anything and if any story has any weight a new thread will commence on it Im sure....



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 01, 2013, 05:56:53 PM
this ones not complaining I stuck up for you with an explaination ....latest news etc ....

 8)--)) I know

It's hard work in here .your not allowed to say anything negative about anyone but mccanns ,so I like to just stay in the latest news .

It will be someone else soon enough and tractor man will filed for future rows no doubt
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 01, 2013, 05:58:35 PM
Actually I agree with you....like other forums have a press section for reference, its handy to have a thread to post the latest articles...sometimes people dont look for a whole day or two....this will get filled in with comments in between though, but not a big problem or anything and if any story has any weight a new thread will commence on it Im sure....

 8@??)(
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 01, 2013, 06:02:23 PM
8)--)) I know

It's hard work in here .your not allowed to say anything negative about anyone but mccanns ,so I like to just stay in the latest news .

It will be someone else soon enough and tractor man will filed for future rows no doubt

oh so you have noticed aswell .....yes the tractor man will be added to the gallery of suspects and brought up at a later date saying this man was innocent ....there should be a rolls eyes smiley on here ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 01, 2013, 07:02:08 PM
8@??)(

how quickly friendships can end on here.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 01, 2013, 07:29:13 PM
how quickly friendships can end on here.

Off topic


LOL
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 01, 2013, 07:30:18 PM
Off topic


LOL

true, hangs head in shame
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 01, 2013, 07:32:54 PM
I wasn't here to make friends ,I was interested in Madeleine case years ago and ended up here from google

(I still haven't worked out where I am it's very anti .very one sided
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 01, 2013, 07:36:08 PM
I wasn't here to make friends ,I was interested in Madeleine case years ago and ended up here from google

(I still haven't worked out where I am it's very anti .very one sided

look forward to your figures.........later.....


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 01, 2013, 07:36:41 PM
I wasn't here to make friends ,I was interested in Madeleine case years ago and ended up here from google

(I still haven't worked out where I am it's very anti .very one sided


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1275.0
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 01, 2013, 07:44:27 PM
I wasn't here to make friends ,I was interested in Madeleine case years ago and ended up here from google

(I still haven't worked out where I am it's very anti .very one sided

Interesting that you should say that, as I feel its quite evenly balanced, though some of the '[ censored word ]'  are much more vehement and aggressive  in their posting.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 01, 2013, 08:35:39 PM
Interesting that you should say that, as I feel its quite evenly balanced, though some of the '[ censored word ]'  are much more vehement and aggressive  in their posting.
It's what I miss more, the challenge of posters firmly and casually adopting different perspectives.
Hostile posts make logically, and reasonably, posters jump over them.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 02, 2013, 06:44:00 AM
Madeleine McCann key suspect was heroin addict who burgled holiday flats to get fix
02 November 2013 12:00 AM By David Collins
Euclides Monteiro, who died aged 40 in a tractor accident four years ago, was a restaurant worker at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz
Revenge theory: Madeleine McCann
A key suspect in the Madeleine McCann investigation was a heroin addict who used to rob holiday apartments to fund his habit, it was claimed last night.

Euclides Monteiro, who died aged 40 in a tractor accident four years ago, was a restaurant worker at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz where Madeleine was snatched just before her fourth birthday in May 2007.

It is believed he may have been raiding rooms on the complex for drug money before he was finally sacked in 2006 for stealing from the tills.

Police are investigating the possibility that 6ft 2ins Monterio, known as Toni, may have been responsible in an act of revenge for losing his job. Another theory is that Madeleine was kidnapped and killed after disturbing a burglar.

Angry denial: Euclides Monterio's widow Luisa Monterio at work
 
Monteiro’s widow Luisa confirmed she had been quizzed by police but insisted her husband was innocent.

She said: “It is disgusting they are now looking for a dead man as a scapegoat.

“It’s very easy to blame someone who can’t defend themselves any more. My husband would never be capable of committing such a crime.” Monteiro’s close friend Sergio Paulo, 44, a builder from Lagos, told how his pal’s drug habit made him to turn to crime – although he too doubted if he had taken Madeleine.

He said: “Toni was a good guy but had some serious drug problems. He would smoke heroin and became a slave to it.

“I know he would sometimes break into apartments and rob them. He was taking valuables from rooms at Ocean Club and selling them for drugs.”

 
PA
 
Sergio said he remembered Monterio – an immigrant from the ex Portuguese colony of Cape Verde, off West Africa – mentioning Madeleine’s case when he saw a report in a local newspaper.

Sergio said: “He held up the paper and said, ‘I wonder who took her?’ He never said much else about it.”

In the three months up to Madeleine’s disappearance police said there was a four-fold increase in low-level burglaries around the holiday complex.

Mentioned: Sergio Paulo, friend of Maddie McCann suspect Euclides Monterio's widow Luisa Monterio
 
Monteiro’s home in Lagos was a just a 15 minute drive from the resort.

Mobile phone records placed him near the McCanns’ apartment around the time Madeleine vanished.

Monteiro had several convictions for theft but was saved from being deported in 1996 after a presidential pardon.

Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry, both 45, from Rothley, Leics, declined to comment yesterday on what they described as “speculation”.

McCanns 'pleased' as probe reopens 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on November 02, 2013, 10:47:32 AM
The quote from the wife in the above article came from an interview in the SOL newspaper in Portugal.

This reminds all to well of the stories in all of the papers about Robert Murat in the early days. One "friend" said that, when they were kids, he would take out his glass eye to scare the others, he was into zoophilia and tortured animals, he was a loner, etc. The British experts did a profile and said that there was a 60 to 80% probability that he fit the profile of Maddie's abductor. Now, this poor guy is dead and can't even defend himself.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 02, 2013, 12:02:59 PM
The quote from the wife in the above article came from an interview in the SOL newspaper in Portugal.

This reminds all to well of the stories in all of the papers about Robert Murat in the early days. One "friend" said that, when they were kids, he would take out his glass eye to scare the others, he was into zoophilia and tortured animals, he was a loner, etc. The British experts did a profile and said that there was a 60 to 80% probability that he fit the profile of Maddie's abductor. Now, this poor guy is dead and can't even defend himself.
"He smoked heroin" ! The dyslexic David Collins might have translated this way "fumava ganja".
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 02, 2013, 12:16:30 PM
"He smoked heroin" ! The dyslexic David Collins might have translated this way "fumava ganja".

He smoked dope, not Heroin?

There was a brilliant skit on BBC radio 4 parodying what a demonstration for the legalisation of marijuana would be like.

"won't do we want!"
   "We can't remember"
"When do we want it?"
   "Just bring it around some time"

 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 02, 2013, 09:28:04 PM
Dont feed it kazzcut ta!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 02, 2013, 09:32:24 PM
Dont feed it kazzcut ta!

It never bothered me anyway .dunno what it has to do with mccanns that's what threw me .
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 02, 2013, 09:40:09 PM
Madeleine McCann abduction suspect was 'immigrant who received Presidential pardon'
THE man suspected of kidnapping Madeleine McCann was an immigrant who received a Presidential pardon after a theft conviction, local media have reported.
By: Dion Dassanayake Thu, October 31, 2013
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New information has emerged about the man suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann [PA]
The suspect was reportedly indicted in 1996 and would have been deported to his home country of Cape Verde if not for the intervention of then leader Jorge Sampaio.

Portuguese daily Correio da Manha said it was custom around Christmas in the nineties for the President to choose a number of citizens to give pardons to.

The paper claims the unnamed suspect moved to Lagos, a fifteen minute drive from the McCann holiday home, where he tried to rebuild his life with his wife.

However, around the time of Maddie's disappearance the man was fired from his job at the Ocean Club in the Praia da Luz resort where the McCanns were staying.

The alleged suspect reportedly was an immigrant who received a Presidential pardon [PA]

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A relative of the suspect
Detectives are allegedly looking into the possibility that the suspect kidnapped the Briton in an act of revenge to being fired.

The paper claims the suspect knew the routines of Kate and Gerry McCann and was aware that they dined with friends late.


The Ocean Club where the unnamed man allegedly worked [JONATHAN BUCKMASTER]

Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for Mr and Mrs McCann, said: "We are aware of reports in the Portuguese press.

"They are pure speculation and the McCanns are not going to give a running commentary on every new report."

The paper claims the man died in 2009 during a tractor accident.

The parents of the missing Briton Kate and Gerry McCann [EPA]

A relative of the suspect, who is believed to have been questioned by Portuguese police, told the paper: "They are looking for a suspect that can't defend himself.

"Peoples' lives can't be exposed this way."

Scotland Yard have issued fresh appeals for information in recent weeks in their inquiries into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

They have released two e-fit images of a man who witnesses saw carrying a child to the beach on the night of Madeleine's disappearance.

 
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 02, 2013, 09:43:11 PM
Madeleine McCann abduction suspect was 'immigrant who received Presidential pardon'
THE man suspected of kidnapping Madeleine McCann was an immigrant who received a Presidential pardon after a theft conviction, local media have reported.
By: Dion Dassanayake Thu, October 31, 2013
0   
New information has emerged about the man suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann [PA]
The suspect was reportedly indicted in 1996 and would have been deported to his home country of Cape Verde if not for the intervention of then leader Jorge Sampaio.

Portuguese daily Correio da Manha said it was custom around Christmas in the nineties for the President to choose a number of citizens to give pardons to.

The paper claims the unnamed suspect moved to Lagos, a fifteen minute drive from the McCann holiday home, where he tried to rebuild his life with his wife.

However, around the time of Maddie's disappearance the man was fired from his job at the Ocean Club in the Praia da Luz resort where the McCanns were staying.

The alleged suspect reportedly was an immigrant who received a Presidential pardon [PA]

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A relative of the suspect
Detectives are allegedly looking into the possibility that the suspect kidnapped the Briton in an act of revenge to being fired.

The paper claims the suspect knew the routines of Kate and Gerry McCann and was aware that they dined with friends late.


The Ocean Club where the unnamed man allegedly worked [JONATHAN BUCKMASTER]

Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for Mr and Mrs McCann, said: "We are aware of reports in the Portuguese press.

"They are pure speculation and the McCanns are not going to give a running commentary on every new report."

The paper claims the man died in 2009 during a tractor accident.

The parents of the missing Briton Kate and Gerry McCann [EPA]

A relative of the suspect, who is believed to have been questioned by Portuguese police, told the paper: "They are looking for a suspect that can't defend himself.

"Peoples' lives can't be exposed this way."

Scotland Yard have issued fresh appeals for information in recent weeks in their inquiries into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

They have released two e-fit images of a man who witnesses saw carrying a child to the beach on the night of Madeleine's disappearance.

 
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 02, 2013, 09:50:20 PM
It never bothered me anyway .dunno what it has to do with mccanns that's what threw me .

Its just an attention seeking desperate and  demented little rat up some drainpipe on speed, ignore , shouldnt be long till squashed
 8((()*/

C u later.......


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 02, 2013, 11:08:59 PM
It's seems a virus invaded the forum ! Are we so important ?
John, thanks to some premonition, indicated how to use the ignore function !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 02, 2013, 11:19:03 PM
It's seems a virus invaded the forum ! Are we so important ?
John, thanks to some premonition, indicated how to use the ignore function !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 03, 2013, 07:59:50 AM
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/440816/Did-panicking-kidnapper-plan-to-leave-injured-Madeleine-McCann-with-medics

Today's theory from the Express.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Apostate on November 03, 2013, 08:22:14 AM
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/440816/Did-panicking-kidnapper-plan-to-leave-injured-Madeleine-McCann-with-medics

Today's theory from the Express.

Quote
British residents Julie and Colin Kimber have been trying to work out why an abductor would risk taking a three-year-old into a fairly busy area of bars and restaurants just before 10pm on May 3, 2007.

They're not the only ones.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 03, 2013, 08:27:31 AM
They're not the only ones.

No, they're not. But you've got to do a hell of a lot of round-about thinking to get to'a burglar probably injured her and decided to take her to the doctors, then changed his mind and hid her in the best place ever'.

Bizarre.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 03, 2013, 08:29:56 AM
They're not the only ones.

At the moment, the star and express represent the pit of UK journalism.

Pure sensationalism and the facts go out the window.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 03, 2013, 08:41:43 AM
Did panicking kidnapper plan to leave 'injured' Madeleine McCann with medics?
WHOEVER kidnapped Madeleine McCann may have intended to leave her outside a doctor’s surgery after she was injured in a burglary gone wrong, it was claimed last night.
By: James Murray Sun, November 3, 2013
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Kate and Gerry remain hopeful that Maddie is still alive [GETTY]
The key sighting of the potential prime suspect carrying a sleeping child happened in a small road just yards away from Luzdoc, the medical centre in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz.

British residents Julie and Colin Kimber have been trying to work out why an abductor would risk taking a three-year-old into a fairly busy area of bars and restaurants just before 10pm on May 3, 2007.

Looking at the exact point of the sighting, Mr Kimber said: “You have to ask yourself why he was heading down the hill in this direction when he must have known there were more people about.

“Maybe a burglary went wrong and the child was injured and then he thought he should take her to the medical centre, panicked and then took her away.

“If he was taking her to someone in a car he would not have arranged the rendezvous in this area because too many people would be around. Why risk being seen by somebody?”

Another possibility being considered is that an abductor lived locally and took Madeleine to his property after kidnapping her from the family’s holiday apartment at the Ocean Club.

Could Maddie have been hurt? [PA]

You have to ask yourself why he was heading down the hill in this direction

Colin Kimber
Mr Kimber added: “Ever since the Crimewatch programme, which placed great emphasis on this key sighting, we have been trying to work it out, but the route is baffling.

“There is a real village community in Luz and everybody has been thinking hard about if they saw anyone who looked like the man in the e-fit.”

Another theory is that an abductor may have taken Madeleine to one of several derelict buildings and gardens, all just yards from where Irish holidaymaker Martin Smith and other members of his family saw the e-fit man carrying a child.

Directly opposite the sighting is a junction with two derelict houses.

A small doorway leads into the garden.

Today, by looking over the wall, it seems someone has been living in the garden. There is an open toilet and a hose pipe shower with a curtain rail, table and chairs and signs of an open fire.

One of the buildings is owned by a German woman who uses it to house bikes for rent to holidaymakers. The other property is up for sale.

Neither owner wished to comment last week. It is understood the gardens were thoroughly searched when Madeleine vanished but locals could not recall seeing police enter any derelict buildings.

In recent months police have been active in this key area of the resort. One resident, who declined to be named, said: “They have been up and down the road, day and night.

MYSTERY: Clinic that expats think man could have been heading for [MARK KEHOE]

“Some people reckon the man was on his way to the rocky coastline a few hundred yards away to take her away in a boat, but that would be very tricky at night.

“This renewed police activity is good because people want this solved once and for all.”

Luz residents have been sceptical of reports that a sacked Ocean Club worker may be the abductor. He died in a tractor accident four years ago.

The 40-year-old was a petty criminal with a drug problem but last week his widow said he was “incapable of touching a child” and there was nothing in his criminal file about being a paedophile.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 03, 2013, 08:45:55 AM
THE new suspect in the disappearance of Madeliene McCann suspect 'a violent thug who was a threat to children’ had a violent past and a track record of “suspicious behaviour with children”, according to a Portuguese police profile revealed yesterday.
By: Mark Reynolds Sat, November 2, 2013
0   
Kate and Gerry remain convinced she is still alive [GETTY]
Further revelations have heightened police fears about the man, an immigrant thief killed in a tractor accident two years after Madeleine vanished.

Leading Portuguese daily paper Correio da Manha said the police profile identified the suspect as a worker who had been sacked by the Ocean Club, the Algarve holiday complex in Praia da Luz where Madeleine disappeared on May 3, 2007.

Portuguese officers are examining the possibility that the man, who has not been named by the authorities, may have kidnapped the three-year-old in an act of revenge against his former employers.

The suspect was a father-of-one who emigrated to Portugal from his native Cape Verde off west Africa and was convicted of theft in 1996.

The newspaper Correio da Manha claimed yesterday: “Portuguese police inspectors who studied the case and asked for its recent re-opening put together a profile of the suspect, who died aged 40 in 2009, and concluded the character traits they identified strengthened the possibility he could have been the author of the crime.”

Missing Madeleine McCann pictured on holiday in Portugal shortly before she vanished [PA]

They are looking at the wrong man

Brother-in-law
The paper claimed the man had a past “marked by some episodes of violence” and had “suspicious behaviour with children” – but offered no more details.

It also claimed the man’s family had refused to help police.

Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, from Rothley, Leics, are aware of the reports but continue to believe their daughter is alive and a separate exhaustive investigation by Scotland Yard detectives, codenamed Operation Grange, continues.

Portuguese detectives re-opened their investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance following a decision last month by the country’s Attorney General, more than five years after it was shelved. The suspect’s family ­yesterday threatened to sue the Portuguese state over leaks to the media, insisting he was ­innocent.

His brother-in-law, speaking outside his country home at the end of a dirt track a short drive from Praia da Luz, said: “It was a shock to us all when we read the police suspected my late brother-in-law of kidnapping and killing Madeleine.

Kate leaving the court house in Lisbon [GETTY]

“He wasn’t named in the newspaper reports but we knew immediately who they were talking about.

“My brother-in-law was sacked from the Ocean Club and I can understand why the police would want to have a look at him, especially if they then discover he has a criminal conviction. But I strongly believe that if the police do consider he is a suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, they are looking at the wrong man.

“The idea he did it to get revenge on the Ocean Club makes no sense at all. It wasn’t as if what happened there with him losing his job destroyed his life. He got work elsewhere soon afterwards. He was working at the time he died.

“He is not around to defend his reputation so others have to do it for him.”
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Apostate on November 03, 2013, 09:27:47 AM
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No, they're not. But you've got to do a hell of a lot of round-about thinking to get to'a burglar probably injured her and decided to take her to the doctors, then changed his mind and hid her in the best place ever'.

Bizarre.

yes not only do we propose the existence of an individual for whom there is little evidence - we are also able to look inside his mind and invent elaborate scenarios.

Next week: what the abductor does on his day-off.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 10:38:28 AM
kazcutt brings the news ...its hardly her fault if its not the news the anti's want ...every person of interest should be checked out ... 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 03, 2013, 10:44:36 AM
yes not only do we propose the existence of an individual for whom there is little evidence - we are also able to look inside his mind and invent elaborate scenarios.

Next week: what the abductor does on his day-off.

The papers are just grabbing anything to post
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 03, 2013, 11:26:50 AM
There seems to be a group funk at the possibility that an abductor may be found.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 03, 2013, 11:32:59 AM
I suppose it is only natural that we will be served up a plethora of possible abductors, considering  that is what the police have stated they are concentrating on.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 11:38:47 AM
The papers are just grabbing anything to post

Only a matter of time before they fill articles with our thoughts on the case 8)-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 11:45:54 AM
Only a matter of time before they fill articles with our thoughts on the case 8)-)))


dream on lyall .. 8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 03, 2013, 11:46:41 AM
They're not the only ones.
Also not the only ones when they say " the route is baffling".
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 03, 2013, 11:48:25 AM
 ?{)(**
Perhaps also a matter of trial's conclusions.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 11:51:17 AM

dream on lyall .. 8-)(--)

James Murray is writing articles based on the opinion of people almost literally stopped in the street. Very vox populi.

We may all yet have our 15 minutes ?>)()<
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 11:52:31 AM
?{)(**
Perhaps also a matter of trial's conclusions.

8(>(( It will definitely not go unnoticed, Anne.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 12:06:16 PM
[
Benita, trust me, I don't hate anyone ?{)(**

But as DCI Redwood said himself "this has gone on far too long".

Or, as the Star put it:

(http://s15.postimg.org/xqhbwxwvf/Daily_Star_Weekend_13_10_2013.jpg)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on November 03, 2013, 12:18:14 PM
Also not the only ones when they say " the route is baffling".

Perhaps the person who took that route had no other choice and hoped for the best.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 12:21:35 PM
Benita, trust me, I don't hate anyone ?{)(**

But as DCI Redwood said himself "this has gone on far too long".

Or, as the Star put it:

(http://s15.postimg.org/xqhbwxwvf/Daily_Star_Weekend_13_10_2013.jpg)


exactly as the star puts it ....it sells papers ...surely you don't believe everything you read in the papers  >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 03, 2013, 12:30:29 PM
Only a matter of time before they fill articles with our thoughts on the case 8)-)))

Seams like the pj are looking at Portugal suspects and uk looking at uk

They certainly think she was abducted IMO
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 12:32:35 PM

exactly as the star puts it ....it sells papers ...surely you don't believe everything you read in the papers  >@@(*&)

No I don't. Only the Sunday Times 8)-)))

(joking. None of us know what the truth is Benita. But we're all entitled to have our opinion)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2013, 12:37:35 PM
No I don't. Only the Sunday Times 8)-)))

(joking. None of us know what the truth is Benita. But we're all entitled to have our opinion)

Kate knows, she was there:

Reporter: "What evidence do you have that there was an abduction? Can I ask this question because you say that Amaral doesn't have..."

Kate McCann: "Because I know. I was there, I found my daughter gone. I know more than you do. I know what I saw."


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 12:38:37 PM
Seams like the pj are looking at Portugal suspects and uk looking at uk

They certainly think she was abducted IMO

Thinking she was isn't enough. What happens if/when no evidence is found?

We know what will happen, this will go on and on. Because you can't arouse the passion of the entire world in 2007 and then wish that interest would go away when no answers have been found.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
No I don't. Only the Sunday Times 8)-)))

(joking. None of us know what the truth is Benita. But we're all entitled to have our opinion)


opinion based on what ?  >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 12:44:43 PM
Kate knows, she was there:

Reporter: "What evidence do you have that there was an abduction? Can I ask this question because you say that Amaral doesn't have..."

Kate McCann: "Because I know. I was there, I found my daughter gone. I know more than you do. I know what I saw."

True. We were told repeatedly in 2007 that evidence existed, and then none appeared apart from open window and door angle.

And the door angle makes no sense now the 9.15 sighting has "probably" been ruled out does it.

No wonder the Star and Express are cynical >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 12:46:31 PM
Seams like the pj are looking at Portugal suspects and uk looking at uk

They certainly think she was abducted IMO

they aren't looking at anything else ...well if they are its not being reported anywhere ...

"THE McCANN'S AND THEIR FRIENDS ARE NEITHER PERSONS OF INTEREST NOR SUSPECTS IN THE DISAPPEARANCE OF MADELEINE"

DCI REDWOOD
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 12:48:24 PM

opinion based on what ?  >@@(*&)

Well if I wasn't curious before, I certainly would be after Crimewatch, Benita. How could anyone not be when the story that was told for six and a half years is dramatically changed... twice.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 12:53:39 PM
Well if I wasn't curious before, I certainly would be after Crimewatch, Benita. How could anyone not be when the story that was told for six and a half years is dramatically changed... twice.


im sure sy know what they are doing ...its a new theory like many that have to be investigated ..looking into every angle of the case is a good thing ..imo  8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 12:57:07 PM

im sure sy know what they are doing ...its a new theory like many that have to be investigated ..looking into every angle of the case is a good thing ..imo  8((()*/

I definitely agree with you there ?>)()< We'll see what transpires in the coming months. 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on November 03, 2013, 01:12:07 PM
Sunday 13 October 2013

(http://s15.postimg.org/xqhbwxwvf/Daily_Star_Weekend_13_10_2013.jpg)

This must be the most hypocritical headline of all time from the Daily Liar Star.

First of all it was "Maddie found in Greece" followed by "Maddie found in Ireland" and now we have the deceased Mr Monteiro condemned by them in the "Maddie abducted for 5 Euro" trash.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 03, 2013, 01:13:46 PM
Kate knows, she was there:

Reporter: "What evidence do you have that there was an abduction? Can I ask this question because you say that Amaral doesn't have..."

Kate McCann: "Because I know. I was there, I found my daughter gone. I know more than you do. I know what I saw."

Try thinking WS.

Of course she knows whether it was an abduction , or not.

1)  Window and blind open.  Probably beyond the capability of Madeleine ... and how would she know how to do it?  Kate and Gerrry never opened nor closed the shutters

2)  Kate would see that there was no disturbance on the bed under the window.  Madeleine would have needed that bed to climb up on to reach the window.

3)  Beloved cuddlecat Cuddlecat was left behind. 
Am I right in saying that was left on an out of reach place.  Pls correct me if I am wrong.  I do not wish to perpetrate myths.

4)  Madeleines pink cuddleblanket was left behind. 

Oh, and of course, it seems the curtains were closed from Kates discription of them billowing open

Come on WS, do you know of any 4 year old who would leave her favourite bedtime things behind?  Particularly if she had awakened and felt worried.  They would have been the first thing she would have grabbed for comfort.


Of course kate being intelligent would realise what most likely had happened, but first she checked the appartment before running for help about 75 metres away. 
The womens fastest time for 100 metres is 10.49 seconds.  I bet that Kate was there in less than 12 seconds. 


Just can't believe that you can't undrstand that.  Thinking cap on WS
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on November 03, 2013, 01:17:18 PM
Try thinking WS.

Of course she knows whether it was an abduction , or not.

1)  Window and blind open.  Probably beyond the capability of Madeleine ... and how would she know how to do it?  Kate and Gerrry never opened nor closed the shutters

2)  Kate would see that there was no disturbance on the bed under the window.  Madeleine would have needed that bed to climb up on to reach the window.

3)  Beloved cuddlecat Cuddlecat was left behind. 
Am I right in saying that was left on an out of reach place.  Pls correct me if I am wrong.  I do not wish to perpetrate myths.

4)  Madeleines pink cuddleblanket was left behind. 

Oh, and of course, it seems the curtains were closed from Kates discription of them billowing open

Come on WS, do you know of any 4 year old who would leave her favourite bedtime things behind?  Particularly if she had awakened and felt worried.  They would have been the first thing she would have grabbed for comfort.


Of course kate being intelligent would realise what most likely had happened, but first she checked the appartment before running for help about 75 metres away. 
The womens fastest time for 100 metres is 10.49 seconds.  I bet that Kate was there in less than 12 seconds. 


Just can't believe that you can't undrstand that.  Thinking cap on WS


Perpetuating myths that have already been dismantled.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 03, 2013, 01:20:37 PM
Perhaps the person who took that route had no other choice and hoped for the best.
And was right in his hope !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 03, 2013, 01:21:42 PM

Perpetuating myths that have already been dismantled.
A challenge:

Name the myths


Additionally Kate would know how Madeleine left the bedclothes when she Left the bed.  They were probably different.

You made the claim ... now .... Name the myths, Luz.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 03, 2013, 01:21:51 PM

Perpetuating myths that have already been dismantled.
Some myths aren't dangerous because they're obviously myths.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2013, 01:23:11 PM
Try thinking WS.

Of course she knows whether it was an abduction , or not.

1)  Window and blind open.  Probably beyond the capability of Madeleine ... and how would she know how to do it?  Kate and Gerrry never opened nor closed the shutters

2)  Kate would see that there was no disturbance on the bed under the window.  Madeleine would have needed that bed to climb up on to reach the window.

3)  Beloved cuddlecat Cuddlecat was left behind. 
Am I right in saying that was left on an out of reach place.  Pls correct me if I am wrong.  I do not wish to perpetrate myths.

4)  Madeleines pink cuddleblanket was left behind. 

Oh, and of course, it seems the curtains were closed from Kates discription of them billowing open

Come on WS, do you know of any 4 year old who would leave her favourite bedtime things behind?  Particularly if she had awakened and felt worried.  They would have been the first thing she would have grabbed for comfort.


Of course kate being intelligent would realise what most likely had happened, but first she checked the appartment before running for help about 75 metres away. 
The womens fastest time for 100 metres is 10.49 seconds.  I bet that Kate was there in less than 12 seconds. 


Just can't believe that you can't undrstand that.  Thinking cap on WS


You miss the point,

Kate knew immediately that Madeleine had been taken when faced with an open window & empty bed.

That being the case why search the flat at all?

There was absolutely no doubt that she had been taken.

And given that she apparently knew immediately that she had been taken

Why was there any delay at all in contacting the emergency services?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 03, 2013, 01:24:49 PM
The bed is another mystery. She was under the cover according to mum because it was cold and upon it according to dad because it was hot ! The last statement fits better the photograph, without explaining the folded corner.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 01:25:01 PM
I wonder how many "people of interest" will have their name age image blanked or unblanked and area they live plastered all over the papers before theyre finished.....the bloody Sun....well be it on their heads if any of these people get attacked!....so SY not leaking info???
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on November 03, 2013, 01:25:24 PM

2)  Kate would see that there was no disturbance on the bed under the window.  Madeleine would have needed that bed to climb up on to reach the window.

Spot on Sadie, truly an own goal. 8@??)(

Absolute proof that nobody entered or left by that window.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2013, 01:26:26 PM
Spot on Sadie, truly an own goal. 8@??)(

Absolute proof that nobody entered or left by that window.
@)(++(*

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 01:31:58 PM
I wonder how many "people of interest" will have their name age image blanked or unblanked and area they live plastered all over the papers before theyre finished.....the bloody Sun....well be it on their heads if any of these people get attacked!....so SY not leaking info???


if its what it takes to find out what happened to madeleine ..then so be it ...if the persons of interest are innocent then they got nothing to hide ...simples  8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 01:32:46 PM
Spot on Sadie, truly an own goal. 8@??)(

Absolute proof that nobody entered or left by that window.

A small child would have needed to climb on the bed. An abductor would not!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 01:37:31 PM
and no need to disturb the bed to pass a small child out the window ..entering through the door and exiting the child using the window ..more desolate less chance of being noticed ...just a thought you know ;) ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 01:38:22 PM
A small child would have needed to climb on the bed. An abductor would not!
No,not if they were 8 foot tall...the sill is 91cm from the floor, about the height of your average kitchen counter top, dont think a quick leg over is that feasible especially without leaving any evidence
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 03, 2013, 01:41:17 PM
Spot on Sadie, truly an own goal. 8@??)(

Absolute proof that nobody entered or left by that window.
Of course they didn't. 

As Ihave been shouting as loud as I can


They/he entered and left by the FRONT DOOR.  The truly dark spot that NOBODY could see from any direction unless they purposely went and stood in front of it.

A key was used almost without doubt .... and of course this tends to impicate someone from Ocean Club.

Going for lunch now.  If I feel up to it, will return after.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on November 03, 2013, 01:48:27 PM
A small child would have needed to climb on the bed. An abductor would not!

You might not have noticed but the spare bed was right in front of the window. No fully grown man could have come in the window without disturbing that bed or its covers.  Anyone coming in from outside would have left marks on the bedclothes as well as the window sills.  Remember the forensics?  No marks whatsoever!!

As far as the front door is concerned Sadie, a key wasn't needed if the door was opened from the inside as I suspect.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 01:48:58 PM
No,not if they were 8 foot tall...the sill is 91cm from the floor, about the height of your average kitchen counter top, dont think a quick leg over is that feasible especially without leaving any evidence

John said

"Absolute proof that nobody entered or left by that window."


That quite simply is incorrect.

Picking fault with what Sadie says is not absolute proof of anything.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 01:49:52 PM
You might not have noticed but the spare bed was right in front of the window. No fully grown man could have come in the window without disturbing that bed or its covers.  Anyone coming in from outside would have left marks on the bedclothes as well as the window sills.  Remember the forensics?  No marks whatsoever!!

Incorrect
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Apostate on November 03, 2013, 01:52:03 PM
Are we still labouring this window nonsense? There was no need the doors were unlocked. Give it up already.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 01:55:33 PM
Are we still labouring this window nonsense? There was no need the doors were unlocked. Give it up already.

Well I for one is not labouring the window nonsense. More the assumption that if Sadie say something it provides absolute proof!

Now that is just incorrect.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 01:57:46 PM
Of course they didn't. 

As Ihave been shouting as loud as I can


They/he entered and left by the FRONT DOOR.  The truly dark spot that NOBODY could see from any direction unless they purposely went and stood in front of it.

A key was used almost without doubt .... and of course this tends to impicate someone from Ocean Club.

Going for lunch now.  If I feel up to it, will return after.

So they entered and left through the front door, but left the window open to alert everybody? >@@(*&)

(http://s9.postimg.org/9klhajb3z/zzzapartment3d.jpg)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Myster on November 03, 2013, 01:58:57 PM
Was there no disturbance on the bed under the window ? (CS photographs)

(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5377/k8a0.jpg)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 02:14:35 PM
I would estimate at least 1 metre of space to get access to the window - would you agree angelo?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on November 03, 2013, 02:15:59 PM
Was there no disturbance on the bed under the window ? (CS photographs)

(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5377/k8a0.jpg)

That bed looks slept in doesn't it  ?

Is it because Kate slept in it the night before  ?   (  didn't she say she was ticked off with Gerry on the wednesday night for some reason,  and slept in the children's room  ?  ) 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Myster on November 03, 2013, 02:24:15 PM
That bed looks slept in doesn't it  ?

Is it because Kate slept in it the night before  ?   (  didn't she say she was ticked off with Gerry on the wednesday night for some reason,  and slept in the children's room  ?  ) 

If that was so and assuming Kate is a fastidious tidy lady, then would she have left the bedclothes in such a state ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 02:26:34 PM
another possibility is that the children were playing on the bed at some time - but don't let the obvious bother your enquires.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on November 03, 2013, 02:30:28 PM
If that was so and assuming Kate is a fastidious tidy lady, then would she have left the bedclothes in such a state ?

Well it looks  like someone slept in it,  and hadn't bothered to make the bed afterwards

It's the top end of the bed that is disturbed ,  not the bottom end   ...  which wouldn't  be the case if someone had used it either climbing in, or out of the window 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 03, 2013, 02:31:13 PM
If Mr Oldfield had entered the flat as he pretended, he would have seen that empty slept in bed and at least confirmed whether it was Madeleine's or not. Any normal person checking on children would have.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 02:34:09 PM
""Correio da Manhã - paper edition

(Translated by Montclair)

1 November 2013

Profile led PJ to the abductor of Maddie

The immigrant also showed agressive traits and suspicious behaviour towards children.
The suspect's family refuses to collaborate.

Eduardo Dâmaso/Tânia Laranjo/Ana Isabel Fonseca

An aggressive and conflictual personality and suspicious behaviour towards children led the PJ investigation to the Cabo Verde immigrant, indicated in the abduction and murder of Maddie"

posted here in the news thread.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 03, 2013, 02:36:29 PM
Well it looks  like someone slept in it,  and hadn't bothered to make the bed afterwards

It's the top end of the bed that is disturbed ,  not the bottom end   ...  which wouldn't  be the case if someone had used it either climbing in, or out of the window
Wouldn't Madeleine's bed have been disturbed by the whole family sitting upon it, looking at a picture book ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 02:38:11 PM
Wouldn't Madeleine's bed have been disturbed by the whole family sitting upon it, looking at a picture book ?

yes any number of innocent perfectly normal explanations.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 02:40:19 PM
If that was so and assuming Kate is a fastidious tidy lady, then would she have left the bedclothes in such a state ?

 and assuming Kate is a fastidious tidy lady

I suppose that comes from somewhere?

and also applies to a holiday environment?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 02:40:32 PM
is it the 5th nov ..the libel trial against amaral restarts ? ... >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 03, 2013, 02:40:48 PM
Kate slept in the bed next to the window. Madeleine's bed next to the door didn't look like it had been slept in.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 02:43:26 PM
Well it looks  like someone slept in it,  and hadn't bothered to make the bed afterwards

It's the top end of the bed that is disturbed ,  not the bottom end   ...  which wouldn't  be the case if someone had used it either climbing in, or out of the window

Seeing as we have been told KM slept in it the night before, and seeing as you say it looks like it, with the bottom more undisturbed, and seeing as most people who have a maid to make the beds dont bother doing it themselves, safe to assume thats why the bedding was disturbed....and good point about the bottom having been disturbed if anyone trampled over it....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2013, 02:45:37 PM
yes any number of innocent perfectly normal explanations.

It's amazing isn't it, for every inconsistency in this case no matter who, what, where, how & why there are always any number of perfectly normal explanations ready at hand whenever the requirements for them arises.
Extraordinary.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 02:49:55 PM
It's amazing isn't it, for every inconsistency in this case no matter who, what, where, how & why there are always any number of perfectly normal explanations ready at hand whenever the requirements for them arises.
Extraordinary.

Yes it is truly amazing that every innocent thing is an "inconsistency".
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 03, 2013, 02:50:48 PM
It's amazing isn't it, for every inconsistency in this case no matter who, what, where, how & why there are always any number of perfectly normal explanations ready at hand whenever the requirements for them arises.
Extraordinary.
This is how passion works !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Myster on November 03, 2013, 02:51:45 PM
and assuming Kate is a fastidious tidy lady

I suppose that comes from somewhere?

and also applies to a holiday environment?

Only those close to KM know that... that's why I assumed she might be, whether on holiday or not.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 02:51:53 PM
Yes it is truly amazing that every innocent thing is an "inconsistency".

Innocent? Who can know that but the people involved. After Crimewatch you ought to be questioning everything.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 02:53:47 PM
Only those close to KM know that... that's why I assumed she might be, whether on holiday or not.

why didn't you assume she was an untidy woman on holiday and not particularly bothered if a bed was messed up or not?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 03, 2013, 02:54:58 PM
Innocent? Who can know that but the people involved. After Crimewatch you ought to be questioning everything.

Unless you are a true believer.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Myster on November 03, 2013, 02:55:23 PM
For Anne, Madeleine's bed near the inside wall complete with blanket and cuddlecat.

(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1666/jj6k.jpg)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 02:56:29 PM
Innocent? Who can know that but the people involved. After Crimewatch you ought to be questioning everything.

well exactly - only those involved can possibly know - but every day something sinister it thought of and discussed.

I didn't need Crimewatch to make me question everything - I have done it for years, and am still doing it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 02:57:18 PM
Unless you are a true believer.

?{)(** Yep.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 02:58:48 PM
the untidy bed will keep non-believers going for years.

Oh - on second thoughts - it already has.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Myster on November 03, 2013, 03:12:24 PM
why didn't you assume she was an untidy woman on holiday and not particularly bothered if a bed was messed up or not?
Only because most of the women I've known like things neat and tidy (especially unmade beds) wherever they're staying, so I'm probably choosing the wrong type.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 03, 2013, 03:29:48 PM
For Anne, Madeleine's bed near the inside wall complete with blanket and cuddlecat.

(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1666/jj6k.jpg)
It doesn't look like having been slept in, it looks that it was untidily prepared for the child to get in.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 03:31:55 PM
Quote
Correio da Manhã - paper edition

(Translated by Montclair)

1 November 2013

Profile led PJ to the abductor of Maddie

The immigrant also showed agressive traits and suspicious behaviour towards children.
The suspect's family refuses to collaborate.

Eduardo Dâmaso/Tânia Laranjo/Ana Isabel Fonseca

An aggressive and conflictual personality and suspicious behaviour towards children led the PJ investigation to the Cabo Verde immigrant, indicated in the abduction and murder of Maddie.

The PJ inspectors, who studied the case and led to it's recent reopening, elaborated a profile of the suspect - who died in 2009 at 40 - and concluded that the traits presented give more strength to the possibility that he was the author of the crime. The PJ, also, had done the same in 2007, when Robert Murat had been made "arguido". The profile had been made with the help of two British criminologists and indicated that the luso-british could be responsible for the disappearance.

As for the Cabo Verde immigrant now being investigated, he had a past marked some violent episodes. He was also involved in a labour conflict, having left in a dispute. This is what happened in the Ocean Clube resort, in Praia da Luz, in Lagos, where the suspect worked. He lost his job a short time before the girl disappeared, 3 May 2007.

The PJ has, during the last few days, attempted to reconstruct the last steps of the suspect and to try to find the places where he could have hidden Madeleine's body, who was 4 at the time of the disappearance. The suspect's family has not collaborated with the PJ, which has hindered the investigation. The wife has not offered any leads as to the last years of the life of her companion. The suspect had a record for theft. In 1996, he received a pardon from the President Jorge Sampaio and was not thrown out of the country.

The Family admits suing for defamation

The family of the man who is suspected of abducting Maddie, has already admitted suing the state, for offense against a deceased person. The wife, who refused to speak to CM, is supposed to have already contacted a lawyer in order to go ahead with a complaint for offenses to the memory of a deceased person. This complaint could come up against the fact that the PJ is only studying one line of investigation, which had already happened in the past. Robert Murat, for example, who had been made arguido, was never compensated for the damages suffered because of the investigation. It would be difficult in the Portuguese judicial system for the widow to prove this, although the closest relatives speak of an enormous "shame" felt by the widow and son.

Murat was considered a suspect

The name of Robert Murat was put on the table, days after the disappearance of Maddie. At the time, the PJ counted on the help of Joe Sullivan and the superintendent Graham Hill, two renowned British criminologists, to analyse Murat's personality. The evaluation made of the luso-british led the authorities to conclude that he had 70 to 85% possibility of fitting in the profile of Maddie's abductor.

The criminologist also said, at the time, that Robert Murat "never gave credible explanations".

Details

Lived in Lagos

The suspect of Madeleine McCann's abduction lived the last few years in Portelas, in Lagos county.

"Unable to defend himself"

The family of the suspect told CM that they are indignant that the PJ are investigating someone who has already died and is unable to defend themself.

He was in the area

The mobile pings reveal that the suspect was in the area of the resort the day of the crime
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2013, 03:35:06 PM
It doesn't look like having been slept in, it looks that it was untidily prepared for the child to get in.


Kate McCann (interviewed for BBC Breakfast TV):

"Is it right for somebody to go into your apartment and take your child out [of] your bed?".

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Myster on November 03, 2013, 04:03:17 PM
It doesn't look like having been slept in, it looks that it was untidily prepared for the child to get in.

From the witness statement of Joao Barreiras, Criminal Investigation Dept. Portimao. on arriving at OC the day after she disappeared...

When they arrived at the scene, which they immediately identified due to the presence of GNR officers, as well as quite a lot of people who were walking around the street searching for the child, they immediately went to the apartment in question, where they found several people, including some GNR officers, as well as the head of the Lagos GNR station.   He states that the people inside the apartment and close to it, entered and left the building and circulated in the whole apartment, completely freely, in other words, without there being any restriction or care in preserving the scene.   He said that these people were the friends of the parents of the missing girl and a lady responsible for the resort called Silvia.   He was shown the room the child had disappeared from, having noticed that people also entered and left that room without any care in the sense of preserving traces. Inside this room there were two children, babies, sleeping in two cots placed in the middle of the room.

From the looks of the above anyone - mother, father, or friends could have interfered with Madeleine's bedclothes, folding and unfolding the bed linen or handling her toy and security blanket before the scene was sealed off.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on November 03, 2013, 04:10:16 PM
It doesn't look like having been slept in, it looks that it was untidily prepared for the child to get in.

Thats not what these GNR thought.

José María Batista Roque

During the search he did not find anything strange apart from the bedclothes on Madeleine's bed, which were too tidy, it appeared that she had been picked up from or had left the bed with great care. There was a mark on the sheet that appeared to be made by a child's body.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id258.html

Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa

Then, with his colleague, he searched the apartment. He opened all the cupboards of the bedrooms, living room and kitchen and he checked under the beds and in the fridge. He did not see the washing machine. He did not see anything strange during the search and there was no sign of a break in. As regards the bed clothes of the child’s bed, he found it to have a normal disposition.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 04:20:32 PM
excuse me - did she speak with parenthesis?

Obviously not, it was put in for clarity .....petty petty again

From 2.30 just for you IMPO in case you are wondering if it was said, etc etc.



Back to the latest news then.....but not going to sit and say nothing when attacked because I asked a simple question and made a simple observation...




Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:25:29 PM
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Correio da Manhã - paper edition

(Translated by Montclair)

1 November 2013

Profile led PJ to the abductor of Maddie

The immigrant also showed agressive traits and suspicious behaviour towards children.
The suspect's family refuses to collaborate.

Eduardo Dâmaso/Tânia Laranjo/Ana Isabel Fonseca

An aggressive and conflictual personality and suspicious behaviour towards children led the PJ investigation to the Cabo Verde immigrant, indicated in the abduction and murder of Maddie.

The PJ inspectors, who studied the case and led to it's recent reopening, elaborated a profile of the suspect - who died in 2009 at 40 - and concluded that the traits presented give more strength to the possibility that he was the author of the crime. The PJ, also, had done the same in 2007, when Robert Murat had been made "arguido". The profile had been made with the help of two British criminologists and indicated that the luso-british could be responsible for the disappearance.

As for the Cabo Verde immigrant now being investigated, he had a past marked some violent episodes. He was also involved in a labour conflict, having left in a dispute. This is what happened in the Ocean Clube resort, in Praia da Luz, in Lagos, where the suspect worked. He lost his job a short time before the girl disappeared, 3 May 2007.

The PJ has, during the last few days, attempted to reconstruct the last steps of the suspect and to try to find the places where he could have hidden Madeleine's body, who was 4 at the time of the disappearance. The suspect's family has not collaborated with the PJ, which has hindered the investigation. The wife has not offered any leads as to the last years of the life of her companion. The suspect had a record for theft. In 1996, he received a pardon from the President Jorge Sampaio and was not thrown out of the country.

The Family admits suing for defamation

The family of the man who is suspected of abducting Maddie, has already admitted suing the state, for offense against a deceased person. The wife, who refused to speak to CM, is supposed to have already contacted a lawyer in order to go ahead with a complaint for offenses to the memory of a deceased person. This complaint could come up against the fact that the PJ is only studying one line of investigation, which had already happened in the past. Robert Murat, for example, who had been made arguido, was never compensated for the damages suffered because of the investigation. It would be difficult in the Portuguese judicial system for the widow to prove this, although the closest relatives speak of an enormous "shame" felt by the widow and son.

Murat was considered a suspect

The name of Robert Murat was put on the table, days after the disappearance of Maddie. At the time, the PJ counted on the help of Joe Sullivan and the superintendent Graham Hill, two renowned British criminologists, to analyse Murat's personality. The evaluation made of the luso-british led the authorities to conclude that he had 70 to 85% possibility of fitting in the profile of Maddie's abductor.

The criminologist also said, at the time, that Robert Murat "never gave credible explanations".

Details

Lived in Lagos

The suspect of Madeleine McCann's abduction lived the last few years in Portelas, in Lagos county.

"Unable to defend himself"

The family of the suspect told CM that they are indignant that the PJ are investigating someone who has already died and is unable to defend themself.

He was in the area

The mobile pings reveal that the suspect was in the area of the resort the day of the crime

why do people want to ignore this on the news thread?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 04:26:25 PM
ah so you add things for clarity.

There was nothing strange in what Kate said.

theres no ah, involved, I didnt add or take anything away! I never typed that quote....talk about flogging a dead horse..... give it up now.......not responding to any more silly posts here......


@davel, well gosh, thanks for that
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:34:44 PM
the same UK tabloid press that was being applauded because they picked up an unfounded Sunday Times article from last weekend.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 03, 2013, 04:36:04 PM
This excludes you does it? you are the standard of impartiality that we should all aspire to?

 @)(++(*

No. I very rarely make any positive point, usually just try to demonstrate how everyone is working on inadequate information (and usually inadequate brain power).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 04:40:30 PM
quite the reverse after the allegations about the UK gutter press

The article says the 'suspect' was in the area on the day (according to phone records), but doesn't give the time. It might have been 6am.

I wouldn't get too excited.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:43:33 PM
The article says the 'suspect' was in the area on the day (according to phone records), but doesn't give the time. It might have been 6am.

I wouldn't get too excited.

maybe you would like to read the thread and how excited people are about how bad the UK tabloids are - the same UK tabloids that were being applauded all week.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 04:43:58 PM
the same UK tabloid press that was being applauded because they picked up an unfounded Sunday Times article from last weekend.

And you know it was unfounded because?

eta gremlins on the thread? Mods splitting it? Have posted the same three times and either didnt go through or was deleted, or something, also some other replies I fleetingly saw have gone too....will come back to it bit later
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:45:51 PM
And you know it was unfounded because?

because I have examined the article in depth and what people were cheering about was not actually in the article, and I have also seen the follow up article by the Times.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 04:46:23 PM
maybe you would like to read the thread and how excited people are about how bad the UK tabloids are - the same UK tabloids that were being applauded all week.

They were applauded for four articles on Sunday and Monday, not for the thousands of other articles printed in recent years, or for any others printed this week.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:46:52 PM
I fact - I would go so far as to say that The Sunday Times article was a made up scam.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 04:47:34 PM
because I have examined the article in depth and what people were cheering about was not actually in the article, and I have also seen the follow up article by the Times.

It's not what was said, it's that somebody had the guts to say it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:48:10 PM
They were applauded for four articles on Sunday and Monday, not for the thousands of other articles printed in recent years, or for any others printed this week.

Yes 4 articles that were anti Mccann and were very very incorrect.

But if you want to pick 4 articles out of thousands of crap - it shows a lot doesn't it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 04:48:35 PM
I fact - I would go so far as to say that The Sunday Times article was a made up scam.

We're all ears 8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:48:50 PM
It's not what was said, it's that somebody had the guts to say it.

the guts to lie.

How strange you are.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:49:27 PM
We're all ears 8(0(*

no - you are all prejudice - your recent posts prove it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 03, 2013, 04:49:43 PM
I fact - I would go so far as to say that The Sunday Times article was a made up scam.

If that is so, then we can shortly expect to see a retraction.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 04:50:04 PM
It's not what was said, it's that somebody had the guts to say it.


even if theres nothing to back it up as a truth  >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 04:50:12 PM
because I have examined the article in depth and what people were cheering about was not actually in the article, and I have also seen the follow up article by the Times.

Nothing to do with what anyone was cheering about or complaining about...the content is all that matters, you said the content was unfounded....unless the authors have retracted anything theywrote, it stands....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:50:38 PM
If you care to read what the Sunday Times article says, and what the follow up Times article says - you will realise why the tabloids dropped it so quickly.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 04:51:38 PM
If you care to read what the Sunday Times article says, and what the follow up Times article says - you will realise why the tabloids dropped it so quickly.

Explain it then?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
If that is so, then we can shortly expect to see a retraction.

don't hold your breath
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:53:10 PM
Explain it then?

did you not read what I said - you examine the 2 articles and come back with a conclusion - there is nothing secret to people who weren't too busy high fiving to see the truth.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:53:43 PM
didn't anyone notice how quickly the UK tabloids dropped the story?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 03, 2013, 04:54:40 PM
The Times & Sunday Times are behind a paywall, so are not now available to most people. Perhaps you could provide a summary ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:55:05 PM
Nothing to do with what anyone was cheering about or complaining about...the content is all that matters, you said the content was unfounded....unless the authors have retracted anything theywrote, it stands....

the content was wrong - read the articles and see what they actually say.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 04:55:26 PM
didn't anyone notice how quickly the UK tabloids dropped the story?

That's no surprise. The surprise is that it managed to get into print in the first place.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:57:21 PM
The Times & Sunday Times are behind a paywall, so are not now available to most people. Perhaps you could provide a summary ?

oh I provided the story from my subscription last Sunday and people took the piss out of me. You must be joking.

The actual thread started by red asked for someone with a subscription to post the article. I did - but was never thanked by red. The john edited the article. What a laugh.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:58:01 PM
That's no surprise. The surprise is that it managed to get into print in the first place.

a perfect piece of rubbish.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 04:59:54 PM
a perfect piece of rubbish.

Is it. The evidence of the past five years press says otherwise.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:02:15 PM
Is it. The evidence of the past five years press says otherwise.

why are you in denial of the perfect gutter press last weekend?

In fact people with actually applauding the fact that The Sunday Times article was being picked up by the tabloids.

Denial
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:03:02 PM
The same way that there is denial about CdM now
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:04:52 PM
why are you in denial of the perfect gutter press last weekend?

In fact people with actually applauding the fact that The Sunday Times article was being picked up by the tabloids.

Denial

Nobody knows at all what you mean. You'll have to explain what was in the 2nd Times article.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:06:24 PM
Nobody knows at all what you mean. You'll have to explain what was in the 2nd Times article.

It was on this forum. It may still be - it was posted by carly - the article from the Aus Times was identical to Uk Times
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 05:11:55 PM
carly's online perhaps she'll post it ..or perhaps not  >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:12:59 PM
carly's online perhaps she'll post it ..or perhaps not  >@@(*&)

lots of people saw it - a lot chose to ignore it - I wonder why?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:13:15 PM
If it said that much I can't think you'd need to ask carly for it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:13:45 PM
the tabloids never followed up with the story afterwards!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 05:14:15 PM
oh I provided the story from my subscription last Sunday and people took the piss out of me. You must be joking.

The actual thread started by red asked for someone with a subscription to post the article. I did - but was never thanked by red. The john edited the article. What a laugh.

I posted the thread  very late that night and didnt go back to it until the next morning, ordinarily I would have thanked you before I saw you disingenuously accused John of editing the article, he did no such thing as well you know...and as he explained onthe thread later, after you spat your dummy out and erased the whole bleedin thing citing copyright rubbish reasons......yes it was a laugh! but I doht recall anyone taking the piss out of you for posting the article,  but not to worry it was all over the net anyway....the article stands as the authors have retracted nothing, the tabloids  were brave to pick it though it was embellished and changed no doubt from the pinky spinmeister who must have put the best dervishes to shame,  and other cronies, my  last word, jump through as many hypothetical and nonsensical hoops as you like, nothng will change that.....
 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 03, 2013, 05:14:43 PM
lots of people saw it - a lot chose to ignore it - I wonder why?

Perhaps fewer saw it than you think.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:14:52 PM
the tabloids never followed up with the story afterwards!

That's Mitchell's job.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:16:30 PM
That's Mitchell's job.

oh so now it wasn't a good story and it was Mitchell - very interesting how your mood changes.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 05:17:01 PM
lots of people saw it - a lot chose to ignore it - I wonder why?


beggers belief .. >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:17:21 PM
If in doubt - blame Mitchell.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:18:40 PM

beggers belief .. >@@(*&)

I didn't see it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:19:45 PM
If in doubt - blame Mitchell.

8((()*/ Works for me.

But he wouldn't need to ask someone else for an article. If it refuted the Sunday Times in any way why has nobody got a copy of it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:20:15 PM
I didn't see it.

you didn't see it but you are commenting on things.

double beggars belief
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 05:21:24 PM
I didn't see it.


shoulda gone to spec savers  8(>((...or would it be you didn't want to see it  >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:22:13 PM
you didn't see it but you are commenting on things.

double beggars belief

I'm not, I'm commenting on you saying there is a second article that says things but you can neither produce the article or tell us what it said.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:22:17 PM
8((()*/ Works for me.

But he wouldn't need to ask someone else for an article. If it refuted the Sunday Times in any way why has nobody got a copy of it?

read my lips - it was posted here by carly. Not my fault if you decided to ignore it.

I have a Times subsciption along with a lot of other people.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:24:16 PM
I'm not, I'm commenting on you saying there is a second article that says things but you can neither produce the article or tell us what it said.

i can produce the article within 10 seconds

Dominic Kennedy
Last updated at 12:01AM, October 28 2013
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:24:30 PM
read my lips - it was posted here by carly. Not my fault if you decided to ignore it.

I have a Times subsciption along with a lot of other people.

So you could go and find it now then. 8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:25:04 PM
So you could go and find it now then. 8)--))

i can produce the article within 10 seconds

Dominic Kennedy
Last updated at 12:01AM, October 28 2013
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:25:56 PM
i can produce the article within 10 seconds

Dominic Kennedy
Last updated at 12:01AM, October 28 2013

Christmas is coming...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:28:34 PM
Lyall
Re: It is claimed that Oakley's Report and e-fits were suppressed for 5 years?
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2013, 12:23:00 AM »
Quote
Imustpointout 8((()*/ Thank you.

Do you forget thanking me for posting the first article before anyone else?

You can laugh all you like now


here you go - a link too http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2794.0
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 05:29:02 PM
you didn't see it but you are commenting on things.

double beggars belief



@)(++(* @)(++(* eeh ya couldn't make it up  8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:34:32 PM
Lyall
Re: It is claimed that Oakley's Report and e-fits were suppressed for 5 years?
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2013, 12:23:00 AM »
Quote
Imustpointout 8((()*/ Thank you.

Do you forget thanking me for posting the first article before anyone else?

You can laugh all you like now


here you go - a link too http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2794.0

I didn't forget. If you don't want to post the second article, just tell us what it said. A summary. Mr Kennedy would want you to.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:38:42 PM
But I will give you a hint - re-read the first article very carefully and you will notice how many mistakes and non quotes there are.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 05:40:34 PM
Aw dont  worry Lyall, I know how frustrating it is to ask someone for a link and they refuse to provide it, here you go

Post 430

Still dont see any source quoted for the PJ having the efits years ago!!! As against the headlines HIDDEN for five years! Couldnt make it up...though the sentence says the PJ and SY had them for some years. I wonder what that means, I think its SAFE to say the efits were kept hidden for a few years at least, IF they were passed on eventually when SY got involved....at some stage anyway


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2794.msg96154#msg96154


Edited for after thought
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:40:46 PM

Kennedy's article begins with 'Five years have been wasted in the hunt for Madeleine McCann while pictures of the prime suspect in her abduction were suppressed.'

It doesn't sound like much of a change of tune.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:42:02 PM
But I will give you a hint - re-read the first article very carefully and you will notice how many mistakes and non quotes there are.

I know that. As I said it's not what it said, it's that people had the guts to ask some questions... finally.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:42:51 PM
Aw dont  worry Lyall, I know how frustrating it is to ask someone for a link and they refuse to provide it, here you go

Post 430

Still dont see any source quoted for the PJ having the efits years ago!!! As against the headlines HIDDEN for five years! Couldnt make it up...though the sentence says the PJ and SY had them for some years.


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2794.msg96154#msg96154

?{)(** Nice one Red.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:46:57 PM

All that teasing for this line?

The e-fits were in the possession of both Portuguese police and Scotland Yard for some years before this month's publication.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:48:03 PM
Aw dont  worry Lyall, I know how frustrating it is to ask someone for a link and they refuse to provide it, here you go

Post 430

Still dont see any source quoted for the PJ having the efits years ago!!! As against the headlines HIDDEN for five years! Couldnt make it up...though the sentence says the PJ and SY had them for some years. I wonder what that means, I think its SAFE to say the efits were kept hidden for a few years at least, IF they were passed on eventually when SY got involved....at some stage anyway


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2794.msg96154#msg96154


Edited for after thought

drawing your own conclusions again red.

By the way red- you never did thank me for posting the subscription only Sunday Times article that you asked for.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:51:10 PM
All that teasing for this line?

The e-fits were in the possession of both Portuguese police and Scotland Yard for some years before this month's publication.

you jump to so many conclusions without thinking don't you.

Instead of picking out certain bits, read both articles fully and think about what they are saying. The first article is so full of holes it is ridiculous.

When you read things from an anti only point of view you miss the obvious.

Oh and by the way I didn't tease - I told you the article was on here - you needed red to find it for you - not my fault.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 05:52:38 PM
drawing your own conclusions again red.

By the way red- you never did thank me for posting the subscription only Sunday Times article that you asked for.

read my earlier post...i already explained post 355!

as for drawing conclusions....its pretty simple to do so  in this case....the efits were either hidden or not........everything points to them being so....you can argue till the cows come home......but without me....as you waste too many peoples time and energy like a vampire lol


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:54:51 PM
with PJ and SY for years.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 05:56:02 PM
with PJ and SY for years.

unsubstantiated statement at BEST..bye now
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:58:07 PM
with PJ and SY for years.

Some years. Since May 2011 I'd bet. Which still leaves two and a half years when nobody official was investigating and these e-fits weren't used.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:59:52 PM
Some years. Since May 2011 I'd bet. Which still leaves two and a half years when nobody official was investigating and these e-fits weren't used.

yes - maybe you will explain why PJ who interviewed the Smiths in 2007 and were the official police acting on the case didn't complete the investigation?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 06:01:07 PM
yes - maybe you will explain why PJ who interviewed the Smiths in 2007 and were the official police acting on the case didn't complete the investigation?

bliddy good question impo  8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:04:19 PM
Maybe Amaral was right about the Smiths - but for the wrong reasons
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:04:40 PM
yes - maybe you will explain why PJ who interviewed the Smiths in 2007 and were the official police acting on the case didn't complete the investigation?

That's a different issue. It's not relevant to these particular e-fits.

Cutting Edge in May 2009 made the link between the 9.15 and 10pm sightings. But there was no e-fit for 9.15, so why weren't the ones that did exist used?

They aren't used in the book published before SY began their review either.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:07:37 PM
who says that the efits were suppressed/withheld/kept secret?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:08:32 PM
That's a different issue. It's not relevant to these particular e-fits.

Cutting Edge in May 2009 made the link between the 9.15 and 10pm sightings. But there was no e-fit for 9.15, so why weren't the ones that did exist used?

They aren't used in the book published before SY began their review either.

what on earth has that got to do with anything?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:13:18 PM
what on earth has that got to do with anything?

That's the crucial question. Why weren't all possible tools available used in that TV programme and the book?

Unless you're saying it's a lie the e-fits were produced in 2008, why were they never used?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:15:58 PM
That's the crucial question. Why weren't all possible tools available used in that TV programme and the book?

Unless you're saying it's a lie the e-fits were produced in 2008, why were they never used?

we were discussing the Times article

who says that the efits were suppressed/withheld/kept secret?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:23:10 PM
we were discussing the Times article

who says that the efits were suppressed/withheld/kept secret?

You want to discredit the articles and/or writers, but they can speak for themselves. The evidence of your own eyes tells you if the e-fits were produced in 2008 they were kept secret - you and everyone else saw them for the first time just three weeks ago.

The Times articles aren't crucial here. Crimewatch and the first ever use of the e-fits is.

Were they produced in late 2008?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on November 03, 2013, 06:25:59 PM
You want to discredit the articles and/or writers, but they can speak for themselves. The evidence of your own eyes tells you if the e-fits were produced in 2008 they were kept secret - you and everyone else saw them for the first time just three weeks ago.

The Times articles aren't crucial here. Crimewatch and the first ever use of the e-fits is.

Were they produced in late 2008?

who says they were kept secret...according to the telegraph they were given to the pj and sy
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:26:15 PM
You want to discredit the articles and/or writers, but they can speak for themselves. The evidence of your own eyes tells you if the e-fits were produced in 2008 they were kept secret - you and everyone else saw them for the first time just three weeks ago.

The Times articles aren't crucial here. Crimewatch and the first ever use of the e-fits is.

Were they produced in late 2008?

you have now read the 2 articles and couldn't answer my question

I believe that is the end of the discussion.

I am not bothered about your other points at all.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:27:13 PM
who says they were kept secret...according to the telegraph they were given to the pj and sy

Secret from the public.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:27:18 PM
who says they were kept secret...according to the telegraph they were given to the pj and sy

nobody says they were kept secret - people did not read the articles properly.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:27:44 PM
nobody says they were kept secret - people did not read the articles properly.

From the public.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:30:04 PM
From the public.

oh dear - are you not on the list for information. What a pity.

you read too much negativity into everything.

If the police had them (which they did) then it was their decision whether to release them when they wanted.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:32:48 PM
oh dear - are you not on the list for information. What a pity.

you read too much negativity into everything.

If the police had them (which they did) then it was their decision whether to release them when they wanted.

So somebody has had them since late 2008, and the police have had them for "some years" too. But nobody ever used them for some reason until three weeks ago. What use are they now, years later?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:36:00 PM
So somebody has had them since late 2008, and the police have had them for "some years" too. But nobody ever used them for some reason until three weeks ago. What use are they now, years later?

and excellent question for the Portuguese Police.

remember my post about Amaral and the investigation into the Smith sighting?

It really makes you wonder doesn't it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:36:52 PM
and excellent question for the Portuguese Police.

remember my post about Amaral and the investigation into the Smith sighting?

It really makes you wonder doesn't it?

It does indeed. But not about the Portuguese.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 03, 2013, 06:38:34 PM
and excellent question for the Portuguese Police.

remember my post about Amaral and the investigation into the Smith sighting?

It really makes you wonder doesn't it?

The Portuguese case was closed until a few weeks ago and is now progressing down different lines, so why should they have published them ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:39:13 PM
It does indeed. But not about the Portuguese.

Of course - why would you think of anything apart from kicking the Mccanns. You can't let the side down after all.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:40:13 PM
The Portuguese case was closed until a few weeks ago and is now progressing down different lines, so why should they have published them ?

exactly. Why should they be interested. They closed the case.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:45:53 PM
Of course - why would you think of anything apart from kicking the Mccanns. You can't let the side down after all.

Well there you go. At all times their words in public have not been matched by their actions. The non-use of the e-fits is another apparent example of a lack of urgency that doesn't match the campaign's stated aim.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:47:44 PM
Unless they and the police know the e-fits are actually of no use.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:49:29 PM
Well there you go. At all times their words in public have not been matched by their actions. The non-use of the e-fits is another apparent example of a lack of urgency that doesn't match the campaign's stated aim.

poor you - maybe they will send you a personal letter.

Remember the Sunday Times article?

end of discussion I believe - although you will come back with more silly comments.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 03, 2013, 06:49:41 PM
So somebody has had them since late 2008, and the police have had them for "some years" too. But nobody ever used them for some reason until three weeks ago. What use are they now, years later?

Red posted a video of C4 news in which John Snow claims they were never handed to the police.

According to the ST article the SY had to get the fund to lift the legal restrictions before Exton could release the report and pics. I wouldn't just take it as a given that the police had them for some years.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on November 03, 2013, 06:51:50 PM
Red posted a video of C4 news in which John Snow claims they were never handed to the police.

According to the ST article the SY had to get the fund to lift the legal restrictions before Exton could release the report and pics. I wouldn't just take it as a given that the police had them for some years.

There you go. Did Exton release them before to the McCann's?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:52:23 PM
Red posted a video of C4 news in which John Snow claims they were never handed to the police.

According to the ST article the SY had to get the fund to lift the legal restrictions before Exton could release the report and pics. I wouldn't just take it as a given that the police had them for some years.

wrong wrong and wrong again - don't just read the bits you like.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:52:29 PM
Red posted a video of C4 news in which John Snow claims they were never handed to the police.

According to the ST article the SY had to get the fund to lift the legal restrictions before Exton could release the report and pics. I wouldn't just take it as a given that the police had them for some years.

8((()*/ I hear you Cariad.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:53:15 PM
poor you - maybe they will send you a personal letter.

Remember the Sunday Times article?

end of discussion I believe - although you will come back with more silly comments.

Don't hold your breath 8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:53:48 PM
There you go. Did Exton release them before to the McCann's?

so many contradictions in that article - but some people jumped on the little bits they liked.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 06:58:09 PM
Red posted a video of C4 news in which John Snow claims they were never handed to the police.

According to the ST article the SY had to get the fund to lift the legal restrictions before Exton could release the report and pics. I wouldn't just take it as a given that the police had them for some years.

Thats right perhaps some on here would like to email the correspondent! and question him....quite a hefty and more independent than many news channel btw....
 8((()*/



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 03, 2013, 07:10:17 PM
hey red - you could post the Brunt 100% dna match of Madeleine video whilst you are at it.


Why on earth wouldn't her DNA be in the car ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 07:13:46 PM
hey - you all applauded the red tops for following the Sunday Times article.

I explained why.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 03, 2013, 07:17:14 PM



@)(++(* @)(++(* eeh ya couldn't make it up  8-)(--)

Indeed.

The made up abduction.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 07:18:45 PM
I explained why.

Id give up explaining anything  to IMPO...just one of those that has to have the last word....however stupid it is, cut your losses Id say
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2013, 07:29:04 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/440816/Did-panicking-kidnapper-plan-to-leave-injured-Madeleine-McCann-with-medics
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 07:40:18 PM
Well, that's simple.

The mccanns claimed abduction. Do you remember km's words outside the Portuguese court when the Portuguese reporter asked her and her spose what evidence there was of abduction ?

They weren't in the apartment were they when she 'disappeared' ?

So how do they know what happened to her ?

If they weren't there anything they said was supposition, without any foundation, and that assumes of course they told the truth in the first place.

and that is your proof.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 07:51:35 PM
?{)(**

Anne since you are here on the news thread perhaps you would like to explain your comment about CdM please.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on November 04, 2013, 10:16:24 AM
The PJ were not unique, and of course they were liasing with the Uk police very early on.

Had the pj not been incompetent in the first place..uk police would not have had to be involved.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 04, 2013, 10:35:09 AM
Had the pj not been incompetent in the first place..uk police would not have had to be involved.

So why did the current Met chief praise the PJ in their investigation ???
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 04, 2013, 10:37:20 AM
So why did the current Met chief praise the PJ in their investigation ???

Politics, good manners and oiling the wheels.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 04, 2013, 10:38:35 AM


So why did the current Met chief praise the PJ in their investigation ???

The Amaral investigation was incompetent because it failed to assess correctly either the dog alerts or the DNA findings.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on November 04, 2013, 11:05:43 AM
Politics, good manners and oiling the wheels.

 exactly..if he told the truth about what he really thought about the pj there would be chaos
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 04, 2013, 11:09:07 AM

The Amaral investigation was incompetent because it failed to assess correctly either the dog alerts or the DNA findings.
How do you know that Madeleine didn't die in the flat and therefore that the Amaral investigation was "incompetent" ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 04, 2013, 11:12:26 AM
exactly..if he told the truth about what he really thought about the pj there would be chaos

There's a reason they say "no media", and I'm completely sure about one thing - at times (especially in high profile investigations like this one) UK police wish they could say it too.

Hamish Campbell knows exactly the problems the Portuguese police faced.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 04, 2013, 11:13:23 AM
How do you know that Madeleine didn't die in the flat and therefore that the Amaral investigation was "incompetent" ?

More a case of believing, rather than knowing.

Only those involved in Madeleine's removal know what happened and to date, they're not saying.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 04, 2013, 11:51:44 AM
How do you know that Madeleine didn't die in the flat and therefore that the Amaral investigation was "incompetent" ?

She could have died in the flat.


Separate to that the PJ over valued in one case and misinterpreted in the other, the available evidence. The dogs did not mean that a body was there and the DNA did not identify Madeleine' presence!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 04, 2013, 03:58:01 PM
No.

About half the stalls are run by sub-Saharan Africans.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 04, 2013, 04:00:28 PM
About half the stalls are run by sub-Saharan Africans.

But are half the people wandering around PDL black men?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on November 04, 2013, 11:00:08 PM
he went to prison in the 90s apparently for theft....like millions have....how many people have you heard of that steal kids to sell for their drug habit?
Quite nonsensical all in all IMO

 You do understand this is the incredible pj who are making the accusations
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: BigFatBlonde on November 04, 2013, 11:01:57 PM
Nah most people keep the sim and sell the phone .druggys are not aliens didn't his wife say it was hers anyway
So I'm sure she would know if it was him or not

So I'm a heroin user - I have made a few enemies (because I stole off them) and I owe my dealer some money. All these people know my mobile number. So I sell the phone but keep the SIM? I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that I've never experienced it.

N
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 04, 2013, 11:08:14 PM
So I'm a heroin user - I have made a few enemies (because I stole off them) and I owe my dealer some money. All these people know my mobile number. So I sell the phone but keep the SIM? I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that I've never experienced it.

N

I've never tried heroin so can't say
It was his wife's phone anyway wasn't it so it wasn't sold

Sisters phone sorry
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: BigFatBlonde on November 04, 2013, 11:14:34 PM
I've never tried heroin so can't say
It was his wife's phone anyway wasn't it so it wasn't sold

So his wife was there then? Or did he have her phone? How do they know it was him if it wasn't his phone?

This whole black heroin using child abductor thing just confuses me.

N
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 04, 2013, 11:27:29 PM
So his wife was there then? Or did he have her phone? How do they know it was him if it wasn't his phone?

This whole black heroin using child abductor thing just confuses me.

N

She said this
"I can consider myself lucky not to have been arrested because at the time I even lent him a mobile which was still in my name.





Eta it was his sisters phone
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Danamithar on November 04, 2013, 11:31:00 PM
Hello to you all.....Does anyone find it strange the similarities of the email Prince Charles received, and the Latest reports about suspect (tractorman) ?  8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 04, 2013, 11:34:21 PM
Hello to you all.....Does anyone find it strange the similarities of the email Prince Charles received, and the Latest reports about suspect (tractorman) ?  8-)(--)

Prince Charles is involved in a dramatic intervention in the Madeleine McCann case according to today's News of the World.

An anonymous e-mail sent to the prince's official website says the three-year-old Madeleine was kidnapped from the Mark Warner Ocean Club holiday resort in Portugal by a disgruntled ex-employee.

The informant named a maid who was sacked from the apartment complex in Praia da Luz and claimed she snatched the child in a revenge plot.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Danamithar on November 04, 2013, 11:38:24 PM
Its strange the press said Monteiro had a nickname........Toni  8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 04, 2013, 11:41:03 PM
Why is this strange.. in some parts of the world every second man is called Toni  8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 04, 2013, 11:42:55 PM
Charles Miranda
October 01, 2007 09:54am

AN anonymous tip-off to the Prince of Wales has sent UK police on an urgent hunt for a new suspect in the Madeleine McCann case.

The email - sent via Prince Charles' website - claimed a disgruntled former employee of the Portuguese resort where the toddler went missing, could be behind her disappearance.

It claimed Madeleine was abducted from the Praia da Luz apartment in revenge against the complex's owners.

It is understood police have confirmed the woman named in the email did work at the resort when Madeleine was last seen 150 days ago.

Royal aides have passed the email on to Scotland Yard, which is now trying to trace the author.

A police source told London newspaper The News of the World: "There have been hundreds of Madeleine theories, sightings and tips sent into UK cops from members of the public. But this one is different.

"It's incredibly detailed and so far, from the inquiries being made in Portugal, it appears to be based on factual events."

Police believe that the tipster entrusted the information to Prince Charles because he and wife Camilla came out in support of Maddie's parents Kate and Gerry.

In a statement released from Clarence House in May, the royal couple said they had been following the case "closely and with deep concern" and "fervently hoped" Madeleine would be reunited with her family.

The development came as another resort worker said they had seen a British tourist "hiding" in the stairwell just metres from the McCann apartment on the night Madeleine vanished.

"It was about 6pm on the day the little girl went missing. I saw this Englishman standing under the stairwell," the worker told the London Sunday Mirror.

"He was round-faced and stocky, wearing light clothes and positioned so that he was monitoring the (area). He was hiding and watching."

The worker was interviewed by police early in the investigation and has been reinterviewed.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Danamithar on November 04, 2013, 11:44:54 PM
I wonder who would have sent that email.....Strange one  8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Danamithar on November 04, 2013, 11:47:05 PM
Why is this strange.. in some parts of the world every second man is called Toni  8)--))

Portugal or Cape Verde ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Rachel Granada on November 04, 2013, 11:47:50 PM
Hello to you all.....Does anyone find it strange the similarities of the email Prince Charles received, and the Latest reports about suspect (tractorman) ?  8-)(--)

Welcome to the forum, Danamithar.  I recall the e-mail sent to HRH Prince Charles and yes it did seem to echo what we are hearing about the new suspect, however I am extremely sceptical of anything that appears in the MSM about the Madeleine case (lessons learnt from 2007).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 04, 2013, 11:50:24 PM
Portugal or Cape Verde ?

Not Portugal, but Italy for example  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 04, 2013, 11:51:45 PM
I wonder who would have sent that email.....Strange one  8-)(--)

Maybe a journalist >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Danamithar on November 04, 2013, 11:52:07 PM
Not Portugal, but Italy for example  @)(++(*

Dont give them any ideas.....the next suspect will be a pizza delivery man  8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 04, 2013, 11:54:29 PM
Dont give them any ideas.....the next suspect will be a pizza delivery man  8(0(*
Dear god
 @)(++(*

And the ice cream man on the beach next

Welcome to the forum btw....

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Danamithar on November 04, 2013, 11:57:26 PM
Dear god
 @)(++(*

And the ice cream man on the beach next

Welcome to the forum btw....

 @)(++(* Many Thanks....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 12:00:35 AM
Was tractor mans sister Paula the cleaner ?
He had her phone at the time .
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 05, 2013, 12:03:25 AM
Was tractor mans sister Paula the cleaner ?
He had her phone at the time .

you said it was his wifes phone before ...?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 12:06:54 AM
you said it was his wifes phone before ...?

I did edit it was his sisters
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 05, 2013, 12:09:38 AM
I did edit it was his sisters

didn't see your edit  8()-000(
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 12:09:43 AM
She said this
"I can consider myself lucky not to have been arrested because at the time I even lent him a mobile which was still in my name.





Eta it was his sisters phone
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 12:10:49 AM
Actually she don't say it's hers she just says a phone
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 05, 2013, 12:10:57 AM
Was tractor mans sister Paula the cleaner ?
He had her phone at the time .

Funny you say that! I thought the same  8)--)) Especially when I saw her photo.. not sure why though..

No,. he had his sisters phone at some point. Not that time when Madeleine went missing.
That time, according to his sister, he sold the phone.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 05, 2013, 12:15:06 AM
I did edit it was his sisters

Monteiro's sister Paula claimed last night he may have sold the phone to someone else before Madeleine ... Speaking from her home in Argozelo, northern Portugal, she said: "Because of his mobile phone use, he was always swapping or selling his ...  >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Danamithar on November 05, 2013, 12:15:33 AM
Seems Amaral dismissed it.....Wonder why, considering someone got our future king in the picture. Clarence House would be a strange contact dont you think ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 05, 2013, 12:17:36 AM
Monteiro's sister Paula claimed last night he may have sold the phone to someone else before Madeleine ... Speaking from her home in Argozelo, northern Portugal, she said: "Because of his mobile phone use, he was always swapping or selling his ...  >@@(*&)
Because of his mobile use??? What does this mean?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 12:19:18 AM
Funny you say that! I thought the same  8)--)) Especially when I saw her photo.. not sure why though..

No,. he had his sisters phone at some point. Not that time when Madeleine went missing.
That time, according to his sister, he sold the phone.

She looked lie bundle man to me but he isn't real any more  >@@(*&)
She his half sister ? He is a lot darker than her
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 05, 2013, 12:22:20 AM
Because of his mobile use??? What does this mean?

maybe because of what bigfatblonde said  ...druggies get rid of their phones every week or so  ...?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 05, 2013, 12:24:37 AM
maybe because of what bigfatblonde said  ...druggies get rid of their phones every week or so  ...?

Why would the drug addict get rid of his phone so often?
I understand if he was a drug dealer, then the police is after him and he needs to get rid of the trail but the addict himself.. not sure why would he be getting rid of his phone..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 05, 2013, 12:30:37 AM
Why would the drug addict get rid of his phone so often?
I understand if he was a drug dealer, then the police is after him and he needs to get rid of the trail but the addict himself.. not sure why would he be getting rid of his phone..


I don't know much about drug addicts tbh  ... but maybe if they owe the dealers money they get rid of their numbers  ...you will have to ask bigfatblonde  ..she seems to know .....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 12:35:37 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-family-vow-2675829#
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 05, 2013, 12:48:48 AM
reading where the sister paula says her brother was no where near when madeleine went missing  ...but she doesn't say how she knows or where he was at the time  >@@(*&)

eta not that I think it was him took madeleine ....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on November 05, 2013, 05:59:02 AM

I don't know much about drug addicts tbh  ... but maybe if they owe the dealers money they get rid of their numbers  ...you will have to ask bigfatblonde  ..she seems to know .....

I know a bit about them. I worked in the community and taught simple cooking for GDAS, which is a unit for people recovering from Drugs and Alcohol use.

NOT ONE OF THEM OWNED A PHONE. Not one....they couldnt afford to.

The one guy who was addicted to Heroin told me it got so bad he could not even function each day all he thought about was how he would get his next fix. Even after about 9 months clean, he still looked a mess to be honest and you could see he had a rough life.

I am sure if this Monterio was a drug crazed heroin addict his wife would have noticed............

As to having phones, he probably did have phones to find work, and be there if someone had a job for him. He worked whenever he could whereever he could so having a phone would be important to him.....

Anyway i think this story has turned my stomach to be honest.

Since this sorry story started with the child going missing its turned into an XENOPHOBIC witch hunt.....

I NOTE THAT ANOTHER GUY WHO IS NOW LIVING IN BRITAIN (WHITE BRITISH), ALSO HAD HIS MOBILE PHONE PINGED IN THE SAME AREA AND YET NOT ONE PERSON HIS TALKING ABOUT HIM.....

Wonder why? >@@(*&)

Oh yeh silly me he is white, and alive............
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 05, 2013, 06:31:25 AM
I know a bit about them. I worked in the community and taught simple cooking for GDAS, which is a unit for people recovering from Drugs and Alcohol use.

NOT ONE OF THEM OWNED A PHONE. Not one....they couldnt afford to.

The one guy who was addicted to Heroin told me it got so bad he could not even function each day all he thought about was how he would get his next fix. Even after about 9 months clean, he still looked a mess to be honest and you could see he had a rough life.

I am sure if this Monterio was a drug crazed heroin addict his wife would have noticed............

As to having phones, he probably did have phones to find work, and be there if someone had a job for him. He worked whenever he could whereever he could so having a phone would be important to him.....

Anyway i think this story has turned my stomach to be honest.

Since this sorry story started with the child going missing its turned into an XENOPHOBIC witch hunt.....

I NOTE THAT ANOTHER GUY WHO IS NOW LIVING IN BRITAIN (WHITE BRITISH), ALSO HAD HIS MOBILE PHONE PINGED IN THE SAME AREA AND YET NOT ONE PERSON HIS TALKING ABOUT HIM.....

Wonder why? >@@(*&)

Oh yeh silly me he is white, and alive............

Don't be silly. Being a drug user does not mean that you are so disorganised you cannot maintain basics such as a phone. Many drug users acquire and retain a mobile.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on November 05, 2013, 06:46:31 AM
Don't be silly. Being a drug user does not mean that you are so disorganised you cannot maintain basics such as a phone. Many drug users acquire and retain a mobile.

I am not being SILLY. I worked with drug addicts who were really bad, and all I said is not one had a MOBILE PHONE....

I was talking about real drug addicts not made up ones.

I know quite a few who have mobile phones but they also work and only use occassionally, they are not hard drug users, like we are to believe Monteiro was...aka DRUG CRAZED BLONDE SNATCHING CHILD KILLER.

OH have you worked with drug addicts?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 05, 2013, 07:43:00 AM
I am not being SILLY. I worked with drug addicts who were really bad, and all I said is not one had a MOBILE PHONE....

I was talking about real drug addicts not made up ones.

I know quite a few who have mobile phones but they also work and only use occassionally, they are not hard drug users, like we are to believe Monteiro was...aka DRUG CRAZED BLONDE SNATCHING CHILD KILLER.

OH have you worked with drug addicts?

Yes.

Most have mobile phones- one of the truisms of today's society is that the further down the social scale you are, the more likely you are to have a payasyougo simple phone- no one there can afford land lines. Very few drug users are so addled that they cannot maintain basic human functions such as communications.

You are talking a load of self-serving tosh.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 08:19:58 AM
Tractor man is the pj.s line of enquiry . And no doubt one of many sy have their own enquiry which are smith man
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 05, 2013, 08:23:35 AM
Tractor man is the pj.s line of enquiry . And no doubt one of many sy have their own enquiry which are smith man

Don't forget the other forty odd people of interest that they need to work their way through as well.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 05, 2013, 09:07:18 AM
I know a bit about them. I worked in the community and taught simple cooking for GDAS, which is a unit for people recovering from Drugs and Alcohol use.

NOT ONE OF THEM OWNED A PHONE. Not one....they couldnt afford to.

The one guy who was addicted to Heroin told me it got so bad he could not even function each day all he thought about was how he would get his next fix. Even after about 9 months clean, he still looked a mess to be honest and you could see he had a rough life.

I am sure if this Monterio was a drug crazed heroin addict his wife would have noticed............

As to having phones, he probably did have phones to find work, and be there if someone had a job for him. He worked whenever he could whereever he could so having a phone would be important to him.....

Anyway i think this story has turned my stomach to be honest.

Since this sorry story started with the child going missing its turned into an XENOPHOBIC witch hunt.....

I NOTE THAT ANOTHER GUY WHO IS NOW LIVING IN BRITAIN (WHITE BRITISH), ALSO HAD HIS MOBILE PHONE PINGED IN THE SAME AREA AND YET NOT ONE PERSON HIS TALKING ABOUT HIM.....

Wonder why? >@@(*&)

Oh yeh silly me he is white, and alive............
I NOTE THAT ANOTHER GUY WHO IS NOW LIVING IN BRITAIN (WHITE BRITISH), ALSO HAD HIS MOBILE PHONE PINGED IN THE SAME AREA AND YET NOT ONE PERSON HIS TALKING ABOUT HIM.....


Where did you get that from 'boss?   Who are you talking about?  please
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 09:09:21 AM
Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry McCann have been made aware of the claims surrounding Monteiro but refused to comment on “the speculation”.

They remain confident their daughter is still alive and are fully backing a separate Scotland Yard investigation into her disappearance.

Meanwhile, Portuguese police continue to examine Monteiro, who emigrated to Portugal as a child from Cape Verde, off west Africa. They are investigating whether he may have been stealing from guests’ rooms at the Ocean Club to feed a heroin habit. Monteiro was convicted of theft in 1996 and served a jail sentence.

Portuguese police announced last month they were reopening their inquiry into Madeleine’s disappearance.

Former police chief Goncalo Amaral is due back in court in Lisbon today for the restart of his libel trial. He is being sued by the McCanns, both 45, of Rothley, Leicestershire.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 05, 2013, 09:21:23 AM
I NOTE THAT ANOTHER GUY WHO IS NOW LIVING IN BRITAIN (WHITE BRITISH), ALSO HAD HIS MOBILE PHONE PINGED IN THE SAME AREA AND YET NOT ONE PERSON HIS TALKING ABOUT HIM.....


Where did you get that from 'boss?   Who are you talking about?  please

Is this the 'drifter' who is currently living in Kent?
 There was mention in one of the papers recently - I think he had been interviewed by police.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 05, 2013, 09:24:21 AM
Is this the 'drifter' who is currently living in Kent?
 There was mention in one of the papers recently - I think he had been interviewed by police.
I seem to have missed some.  I dont know about him either.

Can you enlighten me please jassi?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 05, 2013, 09:29:57 AM
I seem to have missed some.  I dont know about him either.

Can you enlighten me please jassi?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5239904/Scotland-Yard-cops-quiz-British-drifter-over-Maddie-case.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on November 05, 2013, 11:31:12 AM
I NOTE THAT ANOTHER GUY WHO IS NOW LIVING IN BRITAIN (WHITE BRITISH), ALSO HAD HIS MOBILE PHONE PINGED IN THE SAME AREA AND YET NOT ONE PERSON HIS TALKING ABOUT HIM.....


Where did you get that from 'boss?   Who are you talking about?  please

Hi Sadie Paul Robinson.

Paul Robinson, 53, who lived in Portugal   until last December, was questioned after phone records put him near where Madeleine, then three, went missing. He lived a MILE AWAY .......

Detectives made him go through every call he made shortly after Madeleine vanished when they visited him at his UK home in June. Mr Robinson insisted he had "nothing to do with her disappearance" and has "nothing to hide."


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5239904/Scotland-Yard-cops-quiz-British-drifter-over-Maddie-case.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on November 05, 2013, 11:33:21 AM
Seems the only difference with this guy and Monterio is.

1. One is black the other white.
2. One is dead the other alive..

Sorry for my cynicisim, but a drifter one mile away from the childs holiday home and no one is cutting his reputation to bits....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 12:43:00 PM
Seems the only difference with this guy and Monterio is.

1. One is black the other white.
2. One is dead the other alive..

Sorry for my cynicisim, but a drifter one mile away from the childs holiday home and no one is cutting his reputation to bits....

One was a thief /crackhead who was sacked and his employer warned of him
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 12:44:47 PM
Our boy did not snatch Madeleine McCann: Family of junkie suspect speak out

THE family of a suspect in the Madeleine McCann case yesterday said they know that he is innocent.

By Jerry Lawton/Published 5th November 2013
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DEAD: Suspect Euclides Montiero is the prime suspect of Portuguese police [MIRRORPIX]
“They are trying to make a dead man a scapegoat”
Luisa, Monteiro’s widow
Detectives in Portugal are convinced junkie Euclides Montiero was involved.

Police say signals from his phone show he was near the McCanns’ holiday flat when the three-year-old vanished in 2007.

But his family said the waiter swapped and sold mobiles to escape detection as he mixed with drug dealers.

His sister Paula said he must have passed the phone to someone else before Madeleine disappeared as she “knows” he was nowhere near at the time.

Police are probing if the 6ft 2in dad of two, who died in a tractor accident four years ago aged 40, snatched the youngster from the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz in a twisted act of revenge.

He had been sacked as a waiter there after stealing €5 from a till, and was suspected of raiding rooms to pay for drugs.

But the immigrant from west Africa does not resemble any police e-fits of suspects.
MISSING: Police are convinced it was Montiero who took Maddie from her bed [AP]
Paula said: “He was always swapping or selling his phones around that time.

“The phone isn’t proof he was near Madeleine McCann’s apartment. I know he wasn’t there.’’

Monteiro’s widow Luisa, who lives in Lagos with their 10-year-old son, was asked “question after question” about her late partner’s movements.

She said: “They are trying to make a dead man a scapegoat.”

Madeleine’s doctor parents Kate and Gerry, both 45, from Rothley, Leics, have declined to comment.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 12:51:39 PM
KATE McCann told how she had suffered a “horrible unceasing pain” for six years since daughter Madeleine was “stolen”.

By Jerry Laughton/Published 4th November 2013
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Kate McCann has spoken about the nightmare her and her husband have gone through
The former GP said the abduction had plunged her family into a “nightmarish limbo” they would never escape until she is found.

Kate was launching a BBC Radio 4 appeal on behalf of charity Missing People, which helps families whose loved ones have vanished.

She said the organisation had been a “vital lifeline” for her since then three-year-old Madeleine vanished from the family’s Portuguese holiday apartment on May 3, 2007. Kate told listeners: “I cannot describe the impact that awful night had on our family or put into words how it feels to miss your child.

“When your child is missing you enter a new world of emotions which nothing can prepare you for.
Madeleine McCann went missing in May 2007 [PA]
“When your child is missing you enter a new world of emotions which nothing can prepare you for”
Kate McCann
“The charity Missing People call it living in limbo.

“And until Madeleine is found we’re in this nightmarish limbo too.’’

She added: “For families like mine who use these services they are a vital lifeline.

“And by supporting them you’re a lifeline too.’’
Kate was launching a appeal for the charity Missing People on BBC Radio 4 [GETTY]
Kate, 45, revealed her agony as the family of new suspect Euclides Monteiro announced they would help the police investigation.

Portuguese detectives are trying to discover whether he snatched the youngster in an act of revenge after being sacked from a restaurant at the resort where the McCanns were staying.

Monteiro, who died four years ago aged 40 in a works accident involving a tractor, was fired for taking five euros from the till a year before Madeleine disappeared.

Mobile phone transmitter analysis is said to place him near the McCanns’ apartment on the evening she vanished.

His widow, who was asked “question after question” about his then-whereabouts by a Portuguese detective, insists he was innocent and plans to sue the police.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 05, 2013, 01:00:29 PM
One was a thief /crackhead who was sacked and his employer warned of him

I agree.. nothing to do with being black, it is his profile.. which doesn't mean he did it.. but needs to be investigated, especially if he was known to be stealing from the apartments, means he knew how to get in and was keen to to get in..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 01:23:42 PM
I agree.. nothing to do with being black, it is his profile.. which doesn't mean he did it.. but needs to be investigated, especially if he was known to be stealing from the apartments, means he knew how to get in and was keen to to get in..

Tbh I never thought about colour . It's just one of many leads the police are checking
At least they are now checking people instead of cartoons
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 06, 2013, 11:31:25 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2487987/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-suspects-Portuguese-detectives-didnt-abandon-case.html


Now the comments section makes interesting reading.

Now where is aiofe's overwhelming support of the Mccanns ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 06, 2013, 12:14:50 PM
I think it would be very interesting if the Daily Mail for example publishes the list of the countries these comments are mostly coming from..

I would bet it wouldn't be either Portugal or UK
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on November 06, 2013, 12:25:23 PM
I think it would be very interesting if the Daily Mail for example publishes the list of the countries these comments are mostly coming from..

I would bet it wouldn't be either Portugal or UK

When you sign on to the Daily Mail to comment you put what you want to say as to where you live.  If you read it much you will find (not on the McCann case necessarily but on other international matters) that there are often comments from people living in various parts of the USA.

For these comments, the places of residence given are:  Surrey, Halifax, Christchurch (New Zealand), London, Poole, Richmond, Exeter,  Durham, Lisbon, Gravesend, Addlestone and Liverpool.  To think that all these people are Portuguese or Brazilian emigrants is, frankly, farcical.  It almost competes with the other theories surrounding this case! 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on November 06, 2013, 12:33:28 PM
Look what happened when the Crimewatch appeal was made.

People ringing and clogging up the lines with their stupid 'Gerry did it'  claims.

That was an organised display of what the 'anti's' do.

TROLLS they were called in the paper if I remember.

They thought they were fantastic,   congratulating each other for it.

The same happens with the comments in the paper.

I for one saw the 'I'm in' response to it on twitter.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on November 06, 2013, 01:41:29 PM
This topic has been edited.  Please note it relates to "latest" news about the Madeleine case.  Do not post old newspaper articles or blogs.

It is also against the forum rules to post comments found on other sites.  All such material will be removed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on November 06, 2013, 10:38:21 PM
This is the second time today that off topic posts have had to be removed from this thread.

This thread is reserved for LATEST NEWS about Madeleine.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 07, 2013, 10:42:44 AM
Topics do drift as you can see on every topic on every forum
That's life
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 07, 2013, 11:14:59 AM
Topics do drift as you can see on every topic on every forum
That's life

that depends whos doing the drifting off topic  ....the news has gone quiet though... >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on November 08, 2013, 09:55:30 PM
Hi Sadie Paul Robinson.

Paul Robinson, 53, who lived in Portugal   until last December, was questioned after phone records put him near where Madeleine, then three, went missing. He lived a MILE AWAY .......

Detectives made him go through every call he made shortly after Madeleine vanished when they visited him at his UK home in June. Mr Robinson insisted he had "nothing to do with her disappearance" and has "nothing to hide."


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5239904/Scotland-Yard-cops-quiz-British-drifter-over-Maddie-case.html

I remember reading that too. maybe he had an alibi ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 08, 2013, 10:19:09 PM
Hi Sadie Paul Robinson.

Paul Robinson, 53, who lived in Portugal   until last December, was questioned after phone records put him near where Madeleine, then three, went missing. He lived a MILE AWAY .......

Detectives made him go through every call he made shortly after Madeleine vanished when they visited him at his UK home in June. Mr Robinson insisted he had "nothing to do with her disappearance" and has "nothing to hide."


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5239904/Scotland-Yard-cops-quiz-British-drifter-over-Maddie-case.html
Sorry, I missed this.  Thank you for taking the trouble to respond C'gey.

Any more news on it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 09, 2013, 08:46:48 AM
The media seems to have gone very quiet on Tractorman  - is he still a 'prime' suspect ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2013, 08:49:16 AM
The media seems to have gone very quiet on Tractorman  - is he still a 'prime' suspect ?

At the moment Jassi, he appears to have disappeared into the ether as regards the papers.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 09, 2013, 08:50:01 AM
The media seems to have gone very quiet on Tractorman  - is he still a 'prime' suspect ?

The media seems to have gone very quiet on Tractorman - are the police investigating further?

Either formulation is possible.

Choose the one that suits your prejudices.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 09, 2013, 08:51:05 AM
At the moment Jassi, he appears to have disappeared into the ether as regards the papers.
Thank you for so quickly confirming my last post- do you think that it was a dead end, or are the police diligently investigating him.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 09, 2013, 08:58:53 AM
Difficult to tell really. From the paper reports, he seemed an unlikely candidate to me, but if he was one of the 41 persons of interest, I guess he would need to be investigated, if only to eliminate from inquiries.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on November 09, 2013, 10:01:08 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2487987/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-suspects-Portuguese-detectives-didnt-abandon-case.html


Now the comments section makes interesting reading.

Now where is aiofe's overwhelming support of the Mccanns ?

Thank you for the link Stephen......Very interesting bit of news. I just knew there was more to it than the case just being abandoned.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 09, 2013, 10:10:04 AM
Thank you for the link Stephen......Very interesting bit of news. I just knew there was more to it than the case just being abandoned.

McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel hearing witness Ricardo Paiva.

GP – Do you know if the investigation was reopened later, with new information?

RP It wasn't formally reopened. However, several pieces of information arrived about possible places where Madeleine could be. Individuals also said they had information. All this was investigated and the proceedings were released to the Portimão Court.

SO – You stated that the facts in the book are in the investigation which you were part of. Was that up until the shelving of the process?

RP says "yes" and that, afterwards, he sorted out and worked on the incoming information.


SO – Was a work team constituted to process information?

RP says they were two officers for that job, both of them having knowledge about the case. The witness then alludes to the Scotland Yard review and says that the processed information was transmitted to the team that worked with SY.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2591.0


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 11, 2013, 12:03:52 PM
Oh, Coopermans been resurrected again




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‘Maddie’ weirdo targeted our kids
Scruff spotted by second Brit





Wanted ... cops' sketch of oddball

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EXCLUSIVE
By RYAN PARRY, GARY O’SHEA & JAMES BEAL
Published: 9 hrs ago

A SCRUFFY long-haired man tried to lure away a small child in Portugal just WEEKS before Madeleine McCann was kidnapped, a witness claims.






Missing for 6 years ... Madeleine McCann


He approached a British holidaymaker saying he was a charity collector — while a sinister accomplice watched from a short distance away.
Cops probing Madeleine’s 2007 disappearance now believe the man — also described by TWOother witnesses and similar to police images issued in 2008 — may be key to their investigation.
The Brit holidaymaker, who asked not to be named, said the drugged-up Portuguese man approached her and her five-year-old daughter in Vilamoura — 30 miles from where Madeleine was taken.
She said: “I knew there was something wrong with him, I just wanted to get away from him.
“I felt he was trying to usher us down a cobbled street.
“I could see his accomplice sitting a way away watching us. He was pretending that he wasn’t with the other guy, I could tell.”
The woman, from the North of England, later reported the incident to private detectives hired by Madeleine’s family.
They revealed a villa owner had reported thesame men trying to lure away his daughter in Vilamoura.
His sighting came a month before Madeleine was snatched from her Praia da Luz holiday apartment on May 3, 2007.



Sighting ... Gail Cooper


And The Sun has learned a THIRD witness has been quizzed three times by British detectives over her account of seeing a similar man.
Gran Gail Cooper saw a weirdo on the beach in Praia da Luz staring at a blond boy two days before Madeleine vanished.
The same man later knocked on her door collecting money for charity “for an orphanage”.
Gail, 56, of Newark, Notts, saw the oddball a third time lurking behind kids from a holiday complex.
She said: “He was very intimidating at my door. He kept waving his hands and staring. My grandchildren were in the pool. I just wanted him to go.
“It wasn’t until later that I made the connection to Maddie.”
Last month cops made a Crimewatch appeal to trace bogus charity workers seen around Praia da Luz.
One theory is that Madeleine was taken by an organised crime gang who “cased” her apartment in the days before.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 11, 2013, 04:30:21 PM
Welcome back Aiofe, we've missed you !

I may not be quite the same.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 12, 2013, 03:32:49 AM
Prison officer sacked and four others disciplined after Madeleine McCann T-shirt stunt
By Tariq Tahir  Monday 11 Nov 2013 9:52 pm
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A prison officer was sacked and three others were fired for wearing ‘We Have Madeleine McCann’ T-shirts (Picture: PA)
A prison officer has been sacked and four others disciplined after photos of them wearing T-shirts saying ‘We Have Madeleine McCann’ during a drunken night out were posted on Facebook.

They were among at least seven staff on a ‘boys’ weekend’ when the images were taken.

The pictures were on Facebook for two months before being brought to the attention of their bosses at Wandsworth Prison, London.

But a colleague told Metro it was ‘despicable’ that some involved in the incident were still working at the jail. He said: ‘It makes me sick to think just because they work for the prison service that they should get away with this disrespectful behaviour.

‘If I was the mother or father of Madeleine McCann I would want to know about this.’


One officer was dismissed from their job at Wandsworth Prison over the T-shirts (Picture: PA)
The incident happened when the officers were ‘very drunk’ on a weekend away, he claimed.

The officer said printing slogans on Prison Service T-shirts about Madeleine, who went missing in Portugal in 2007, was a ‘disgusting act’. One senior officer has been dismissed, another remains suspended and three others received final written warnings.

Their code of conduct makes it a disciplinary offence to bring the prison service into disrepute through social media.

A Ministry of Justice spokesman said: ‘Appropriate disciplinary action has been taken following an incident concerning a number of prison officers outside of working hours and away from the prison.’
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Myster on November 12, 2013, 06:11:34 AM
I wasn't aware that 14 year-olds could become prison officers these days... tut.. tut !  ?8)@)-)

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 12, 2013, 10:22:12 AM
I wasn't aware that 14 year-olds could become prison officers these days... tut.. tut !  ?8)@)-)
looks like it doesn't it
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 12, 2013, 11:31:30 AM
ok if they have a gripe against the parents ...but whats their gripe against madeleine  ?8)@)-)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2013, 12:09:57 PM
I don't suppose they have a gripe - just something done in bad taste, probably  because they thought it funny or clever at the time.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 12, 2013, 12:10:47 PM

Kate McCann continues to look for lost daughter Madeleine PIC: Reuters
Police officers trying to discover what happened to Madeleine McCann have strengthened a lead thanks to a new report by a British holidaymaker.

The woman, who does not want to be named, told how she and her daughter were approached by a man near to where Madeleine vanished in the weeks before the little girl's disappearance in 2007.

The woman's description of the stranger matches that given by two other witnesses in the holiday resort of Praia da Luz.

All three witnesses  said they had been "disturbed" by the encounter.


Sketch of suspect at centre of fresh lead in Madeleine McCann case
The anonymous mother said: "I knew there was something wrong with him. I just wanted to get away from him. I felt he was trying to usher us down a cobbled street.

"I could see his accomplice sitting a way away watching us. He was pretending that he wasn't with the other guy, I could tell," reported The Sun.

Her experience echoes that of Gail Cooper who was approached by a similar looking man. She claimed she was targeted while staying at the same resort as the McCanns.

Police interviewed her no less than three times about it. Cooper said: "He was very intimidating and staring. My grandchildren were in the pool. I just wanted him to go. It wasn't until later that I made the connection to Maddie."

The search for Madeleine was reopened by Portugese police in October with officers from Britain heavily involved in the operation.

To report problems or to leave feedback about this article, e-mail: d.gover@ibtimes.co.uk
To contact the editor, e-mail: editor@ibtimes.co.uk
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on November 12, 2013, 02:05:28 PM
Is this this cooper man ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 12, 2013, 02:57:55 PM
Is this this cooper man ?

Err yes, where have you been?


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on November 12, 2013, 03:27:32 PM
Err yes, where have you been?

Err living my life..you wanna try it instead living yours on the internet..:)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 12, 2013, 03:29:57 PM
Err living my life..you wanna try it instead living yours on the internet..:)

Ok so in six years following and posting on the case you have never come across this major piece,which featured widely in many places over years..... fair enough, I get the picture.....


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on November 12, 2013, 04:02:42 PM
Ok so in six years following and posting on the case you have never come across this major piece,which featured widely in many places over years..... fair enough, I get the picture.....


Ffs I was only checking because there's been that many.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2013, 04:10:25 PM

Ffs I was only checking because there's been that many.

I know what you mean - it all gets so confusing and difficult to keep up with suspect of the day.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 15, 2013, 07:37:31 AM
"Madeleine McCann: What really happened?" will be published in a handful of weeks...

Madeleine McCann's mother has been in the media spotlight lately, and her most recent comments seem to indicate that she's rather stressed out. Of course Kate says that she is losing sleep over the renewed investigation into her daughter's disappearance, but she seems to be attributing this to generally being the mother of a missing child.
"All you really want to do is disappear yourself," said the mother of the missing tot.
She reportedly apologized recently for having "a tricky couple of months," blaming her strange display of stress on simply having renewed hope in finding Madeleine. But can Kate really be trusted or believed when it comes to this entire case? It could equally be speculated that Kate's demeanor has nothing to do with "renewed hope" and has everything, instead, to do with "renewed anxiety" and fear of being found out by investigators.
Kate and Gerry McCann were suspects once in the disappearance of little Maddie, and former attorney-general (Portugal) Goncalo Amaral believes that the parents directly covered up the little girl's death. There has been a slew of evidence supporting Amaral's conclusion, including Kate's fingerprints on a window that she claimed was opened by an intruder. There is also the issue with the two sniffer dogs that alerted to several parts of the apartment, and the McCann's rental car -- in other words, indicating that someone might have bled or died in these areas.
Then there are the 48 questions that Kate refused to answer while being questioned about her daughter's disappearance. While this woman talks out the side of her neck about "the impact that a child going missing has on" there are still those questions that need answers. So, Kate, what really happened to Madeleine McCann and when is this farce of a "search" going to end?
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 15, 2013, 07:40:52 AM
Kate McCann reveals she's "exhausted" as renewed hope of finding daughter Madeleine means she can't sleep
14 Nov 2013 22:50
The 45-year-old gave an emotional insight into the horrific traumas of being the parent of a lost child - saying the unbearable pain made her want to "disappear herself"

 

"Exhausted": Kate McCann
PA
Kate McCann has told how the renewed hunt for missing daughter Madeleine has given her renewed hope, but also left her exhausted.

And the 45-year-old gave an emotional insight into the horrific traumas of being the parent of a lost child.

Kate said the pain was so unbearable, “all you really want to do is disappear yourself”.

The former GP told how she has endured a “tricky couple of months” and apologised for being “a bit sleep-deprived” when she spoke at a Missing People charity fundraising gala.


Renewed hope: Madeleine McCann
PA
 
Kate said: “What many people don’t know is the impact that a child going missing has on you, your family and all those who know your child. You need to know that all that can be done is being done and you need to know that the world hasn’t given up.”

Police have reopened their inquiry into Madeleine’s ­disappearance from her holiday apartment at Praia da Luz in May 2007, shortly before her fourth birthday.

A Crimewatch appeal last month resulted in an ­overwhelming response.

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Madeleine McCann: Mirror chief reporter Andy Lines retraces route of the prime suspect
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At the gala in London Kate, who is an ambassador for Missing People – a group led by Jo Youle – said: “The highs are when you think there is news. And the lows… the dread of knowing what happened and the dread of not knowing what happened.”

But despite her and husband Gerry’s anguish, Kate spoke of her delight that a billboard campaign she launched has helped find 100 missing people.

She said: “It’s a truly amazing achievement.”

Kate told how every five minutes a child goes missing in the UK.

She added: “Thankfully the majority are found within 24 hours but a significant number are not. And so for these parents the pain continues, the agonising days and nights without news.”


 


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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 15, 2013, 07:46:00 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-mum-kate-mccann-2793227#ixzz2khKLf4nL


A SUPREME IRONY.

A figurehead for a worthy cause, is the one along with her husband. who placed her oldest child in  unnecessary jeopardy in the first place.

You could not make this up.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on November 15, 2013, 08:39:26 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-mum-kate-mccann-2793227#ixzz2khKLf4nL


A SUPREME IRONY.

A figurehead for a worthy cause, is the one along with her husband. who placed her oldest child in  unnecessary jeopardy in the first place.

You could not make this up.

 8@??)( she and  gerry didnt care when maddie cried for them  and couldnt sleep did they??
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on November 15, 2013, 11:38:52 AM
8@??)( she and  gerry didnt care when maddie cried for them  and couldnt sleep did they??

Since she was sleeping well 5 days after her daughter disappeared I guess her troubles now have little to do with Madeleine.

She is entering menopause; she is uncertain about her husband; she isn't anymore the "beauty"of the press; she is afraid of what this renewed investigation will reveal about her (them)... There are many reasons to loose your sleep, but I had expected it had happened much much earlier, when her daughter met a fateful destiny.

I am speculating, obviously. But as I don't get payed by the Madeleine Fund, I believe I'm free to expres my thoughts.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on November 15, 2013, 11:41:35 AM
Since she was sleeping well 5 days after her daughter disappeared I guess her troubles now have little to do with Madeleine.

She is entering menopause; she is uncertain about her husband; she isn't anymore the "beauty"of the press; she is afraid of what this renewed investigation will reveal about her (them)... There are many reasons to loose your sleep, but I had expected it had happened much much earlier, when her daughter met a fateful destiny.

plus having to carry on knowing that her  actions  whatever they were that night contributed to  her daughter  vanishing into thin air
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 15, 2013, 12:09:41 PM


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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on November 15, 2013, 01:25:06 PM
It wasn't me that made the McCann public figures, they did.

Once they exposed themselves to the public they have to accept what comes with it. Praise and criticism - that's how media exposure works.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 15, 2013, 01:30:40 PM

Once they exposed themselves to the public they have to accept what comes with it. Praise and criticism - that's how media exposure works.
They were taught how to use the media (for the good cause), they were very good pupils, they learnt in a nutshell. Unfortunately they weren't taught how to prevent the media to use them. Who taught them likely thought they had no secrets at all, would say everything they knew, answer all questions made by the police, rush to reconstruct, etc.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on November 15, 2013, 01:37:15 PM
They were taught how to use the media (for the good cause), they were very good pupils, they learnt in a nutshell. Unfortunately they weren't taught how to prevent the media to use them. Who taught them likely thought they had no secrets at all, would say everything they knew, answer all questions made by the police, rush to reconstruct, etc.


Too good pupils for their own good - if you allow the redundancy.

But they haven't tasted yet what the Media is capable of doing to/with them - the "silly billies" didn't learn anything. Look what the Media did to the most loved, the icon of the british press - Diana, the princess. What expects the McCann will be far more devastating, especially if they had anything to do with their daughters demise.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 15, 2013, 05:32:12 PM
Reading the newest article about Kate's ups and downs, I got a feeling there is no much happening at the moment.
Let's hope there is a useful breakthrough very soon!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-mum-kate-mccann-2793227
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 15, 2013, 06:53:36 PM
Ah so we are not allowed to make personal posts about each other -but we can get personal about the McCanns. I see.
Means I cannot ask out right Luz have you had the menopause?

Is Carly allowed out by herself?

Mccanns are public figures.....what they put out the  public have a right of reply even if you dont like the reply.....they are not sacrosant you know....if you think they are who or what makes them so???

There is a child missing from that family, no one knows how it went missing, the PT authorities said they dont know what the  crime was, ergo the parents cannot be sacrosanct.....seeing as theyve never been cleared.....

Edited
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on November 15, 2013, 07:01:53 PM
Mccanns are public figures.....what they put out the  public have a right of reply even if you dont like the reply.....they are not sacrosant you know....if you think they are who or what makes them so???

exactly and it was their own actions who put them in the spotlight
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on November 15, 2013, 11:48:26 PM
Personal posts.

It should be remembered that most posters are anonymous.  If we made an exception for one member where would it all end.  Personal comments should be restricted to the personal messaging system.  TY
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 16, 2013, 09:46:03 AM

Kate McCann was speaking at a Missing People charity fundraising gala (Reuters)
The mother of missing Madeleine McCann has spoken out about how the search for her daughter has left her exhausted has wanted to "disappear" herself.

Kate McCann apologised for being "a bit sleep-deprived" following a "tricky couple of months" when she spoke at a Missing People charity fundraising gala in London.

The 45-year-old said that while the reopened investigation into the search for her daughter has given her new hope, the experience had left her unable to sleep.

McCann added that at times the anguish of losing her child was so unbearable that "all you really want to do is disappear yourself".

Madeleine went missing from Praia da Luz in Portugal's Algarve in May 2007 when she was three years old.

Her mother told the gala: "What many people don't know is the impact a child going missing has on you, your family and all those who know your child. You need to know that all that can be done is being done and you need to know that the world hasn't given up."

The Metropolitan Police reopened their investigation into Madeline's disappearance following a request from the prime minister, David Cameron. Portuguese police confirmed that they would reopen their investigation five years after closed it, despite a fierce backlash against the decision.

Since the Met reopened their investigation, an e-fit of a man being sought as a matter of "vital importance" has been released. Detectives have received more than 2,400 calls and emails following a BBC Crimewatch reconstruction of the day Madeleine disappeared.

Kate McCann, who is an ambassador for Missing People, also spoke of her delight that a poster campaign she had helped launch had led to finding 100 people who had been reported missing.

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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on November 16, 2013, 01:42:16 PM
If this all goes tits-up for the McCanns the Missing People Charity are in dire risk of being irreparably damaged by the association.  They should never have involved the McCanns to the extent they did in their organisation when the parents of a missing child were suspects in her disappearance.  It shows very poor judgment by an Organisation which openly solicits money from the public.  Maybe it is time we looked at them too??
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 16, 2013, 02:15:24 PM
  Maybe it is time we looked at them too??

 8-)(--)

What do you mean by saying this?

Who are 'we' ? Why do you think we have a super power to 'look' at anyone?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on November 16, 2013, 03:33:31 PM
Well, I found it interesting that Martin Houghton-Brown, the former CEO of Missing People and the person who received a lot of flack for the appointment when Kate McCann became an ambassador, left in December 2012 for his "dream job" with Depaul UK
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 17, 2013, 12:13:29 AM
Well, I found it interesting that Martin Houghton-Brown, the former CEO of Missing People and the person who received a lot of flack for the appointment when Kate McCann became an ambassador, left in December 2012 for his "dream job" with Depaul UK

It would be quite unhealthy and in my opinion dangerously obsessive to think that everything what happens in this world is connected with the McCanns
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on November 17, 2013, 01:38:28 AM
Kate McCann: Pain won’t end until we find Madeleine

KATE McCann has spoken of how her pain will never go away until she finds her daughter Madeleine.

(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/kate_madeleine_mccann-443196.jpg)


The anguished mother spoke of “the dread of knowing what happened and the dread of not knowing what happened” as she addressed a Missing ­People fundraising dinner.

On a positive note Kate, in her role as ambassador for the charity, revealed how a poster campaign she launched has helped find 100 missing children and adults.

The appeal on digital hoardings at rail and bus stations, sports venues and shopping centres across Britain, was started in July last year. The former GP, 45, of Rothley, Leics, told an audience on Wednesday at London’s ­Victoria and Albert Museum: “I am delighted to say that last week the 100th missing person featured on the digital billboards was found, a truly amazing achievement.”

Kate described her own family’s heartache since Madeleine vanished in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007, just days before her fourth birthday.

She told how the ordeal continued for her, husband Gerry and eight-year-old twins Sean and Amelie.

Kate said: “You need to know that all that can be done is being done – and you need to know that the world hasn’t given up.”

Last month the search was boosted after Portuguese police relaunched their investigation into the little girl’s disappearance.

At the same time, a ­Scotland Yard team unveiled two e-fits of a new prime suspect.

Police received nearly 3,000 calls and emails after the images were shown in a Crimewatch special broadcast across Europe.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/443196/Kate-McCann-Pain-won-t-end-until-we-find-Madeleine
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sandy on November 17, 2013, 01:42:01 AM
remind me guys?? 

when was the last time the mccanns did any searching in Portugal or anywhere else for that matter?  thought not.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on November 17, 2013, 01:49:43 AM
Kate McCann: Pain won’t end until we find Madeleine

KATE McCann has spoken of how her pain will never go away until she finds her daughter Madeleine.

(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/kate_madeleine_mccann-443196.jpg)


The anguished mother spoke of “the dread of knowing what happened and the dread of not knowing what happened” as she addressed a Missing ­People fundraising dinner.

On a positive note Kate, in her role as ambassador for the charity, revealed how a poster campaign she launched has helped find 100 missing children and adults.

The appeal on digital hoardings at rail and bus stations, sports venues and shopping centres across Britain, was started in July last year. The former GP, 45, of Rothley, Leics, told an audience on Wednesday at London’s ­Victoria and Albert Museum: “I am delighted to say that last week the 100th missing person featured on the digital billboards was found, a truly amazing achievement.”

Kate described her own family’s heartache since Madeleine vanished in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007, just days before her fourth birthday.

She told how the ordeal continued for her, husband Gerry and eight-year-old twins Sean and Amelie.

Kate said: “You need to know that all that can be done is being done – and you need to know that the world hasn’t given up.”

Last month the search was boosted after Portuguese police relaunched their investigation into the little girl’s disappearance.

At the same time, a ­Scotland Yard team unveiled two e-fits of a new prime suspect.

Police received nearly 3,000 calls and emails after the images were shown in a Crimewatch special broadcast across Europe.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/443196/Kate-McCann-Pain-won-t-end-until-we-find-Madeleine


Oh Shock Horror!!   The Express are running out of sensational headlines to print about Madeleine McCann ahead of the big finale in Lisbon in ten days time.  I hope the judge doesn't accede to their bleating request to address the court as plaintiffs, they either go to Lisbon as witnesses and be questioned under oath or stay at home and savour their defeat while a million quid gets whooshed.   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sandy on November 17, 2013, 01:55:53 AM
are you crazy angelo???  they will never give evidence in a court of law when every word is being reported by your very own anne guedes.   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on November 17, 2013, 02:01:34 AM
are you crazy angelo???  they will never give evidence in a court of law when every word is being reported by your very own anne guedes.   

Good point Sandy.   There have been far too many revelations recently about the hidden e-fits and everything else for them to risk a showdown in a courtroom.  Not much chance of Kate going anyway with all that sleep deprivation.  Its all being choreographed very nicely imo.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 17, 2013, 06:41:15 AM
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post276543.html#p276543

!!

I dont have a sub, if anyone wants to do the honours lol

Eta
Here is this sundays concoction

A MAN on a motorbike tried to snatch a tot yards from where Madeleine McCann vanished only weeks later, The Sun on Sunday can reveal.
The goatee-bearded scruff drove up to four-year-old Tirna Duncan on a moped and reached out as if to grab her.

Tirna said he looked like the suspect who The Sun revealed was preying on kids in Portugal before Madeleine vanished in 2007.
When he tried to grab Tirna, her parents spotted the beast and yelled at him as they gave chase. He sped off, pulled over, shoved the moped in the back of a white van and drove off.


The Duncans gave details of the kidnap bid to the British Embassy and Irish police after they heard about three-year-old Madeleine.



Yet they have NEVER been quizzed by Portuguese or British detectives.
Mother Shauna, 42, from Londonderry, Northern Ireland said: “Maddie would still be here if he had got Tirna. If we hadn’t shouted, he would have lifted her.”
The Duncans saw the man lurking by their flat every day during their March 2007 stay in Praia de Luz and “up to 30 times” in all.
Mum-of-five Shauna said: “No matter what time I looked, he’d be there. He was watching our children.”
The family’s two teenage daughters ran when they spotted him following them.
A private detective did visit the Duncans and showed Tirna the sketch of the suspect. Shauna recalls her saying: “That’s the man who tried to get me.”
The Sun revealed on Monday that a man matching the suspect’s description tried to lure a five-year-old in Portugal weeks before Madeleine was kidnapped.



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on November 17, 2013, 07:01:32 AM
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post276543.html#p276543

!!

I dont have a sub, if anyone wants to do the honours lol

I wouldnt bother The Sun newspaper is full of CARP. This will be just another one of those supposedly awful things that happen in PDL.

This is a post I put on Websleuths a few weeks back.

These are the young children missing in the South of Portugal nearto where the McCann child went missing...

The list of kidnappings in the South of Portugal includes the following:

- Rene Hasee, a boy age 6 and citizen of Germany, abducted in June 1996 while on the Amoreiras beach near-by the Atlantic Coast. Its felt the child could have drowned, been taken by his real father, OR disappeared into a quick sand type hole as he disappeared within seconds OF his mother seeing him.

- Joanna Cipriano, a girl age 7, abducted in 2004 in Figueira, located 7 miles from Praia da Luz. Her mother and uncle are doing time for her murder.

- Carolina Santos, a girl age 3, attempted abduction in Silves during 2006. See below.

- Madeleine McCann, a girl age 3, British citizen, abducted on May 3, 2007 in Praia da Luz.

Carolina Santos.

This has been defunked........

Diário de Notícias of May 25, 2007

A 30 years old man, from Morocco, threatened to kidnap the three year old daughter of a woman who rents a coffee-shop at Fonte de Luzeiros, between Silves and São Bartolomes de Messines." and that the "kidnap threat was made, last Tuesday".

See how there was no actual attempt at kidnapping Carolina Santos, only a threat, and that it all happened after Madeleine was snatched, not four months beforehand.

The Diário de Notícias goes on to say that the woman "filed a complaint with GNR from Silves the next day, and was contacted yesterday by investigators from Polícia Judiciária, to whom she told what happened." The newspaper then said that after "Talking with local residents" they "found that the man in question is a street seller and a well known trouble maker."

So far from "never being questioned" the family was questioned by both the GNR and the PJ, and what's more everyone knows who was responsible for causing the trouble in the first place just a drunk Moroccan street vendor who got into argument with a local cafe owner.

.................................................. ........

So since 1996 TWO cases of children missing in the area in SEVENTEEN YEARS. I still think from the research i read in germany as well that it was an accident some how for Rene sadly.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on November 17, 2013, 10:52:16 AM
Tomorrows papers ,new leads are because she is alive

And I am Santa Claus in a bikini when I go to my private beach.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on November 17, 2013, 11:33:05 AM
remind me guys?? 

when was the last time the mccanns did any searching in Portugal or anywhere else for that matter?  thought not.

That is a ridiculous post.

How are the McCann's meant to search in Portugal?   Knock on doors?

The PJ are doing an investigation aren't they?

SY are doing an investigation.

The only way the McCann's have been able to search [as they don't know where Madeleine is]  is by following up sightings.

That post of yours is an example of the nonsense that is being spread about.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: LagosBen on November 17, 2013, 11:34:24 AM
That is a ridiculous post.

How are the McCann's meant to search in Portugal?   Knock on doors?

The PJ are doing an investigation aren't they?

SY are doing an investigation.

The only way the McCann's have been able to search [as they don't know where Madeleine is]  is by following up sightings.

That post of yours is an example of the nonsense that is being spread about.

Isn't it just Lace.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on November 17, 2013, 12:00:38 PM
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post276543.html#p276543

!!

I dont have a sub, if anyone wants to do the honours lol

Eta


A MAN on a motorbike tried to snatch a tot yards from where Madeleine McCann vanished only weeks later, The Sun on Sunday can reveal.
The goatee-bearded scruff drove up to four-year-old Tirna Duncan on a moped and reached out as if to grab her.

Tirna said he looked like the suspect who The Sun revealed was preying on kids in Portugal before Madeleine vanished in 2007.
When he tried to grab Tirna, her parents spotted the beast and yelled at him as they gave chase. He sped off, pulled over, shoved the moped in the back of a white van and drove off.


The Duncans gave details of the kidnap bid to the British Embassy and Irish police after they heard about three-year-old Madeleine.



Yet they have NEVER been quizzed by Portuguese or British detectives.
Mother Shauna, 42, from Londonderry, Northern Ireland said: “Maddie would still be here if he had got Tirna. If we hadn’t shouted, he would have lifted her.”
The Duncans saw the man lurking by their flat every day during their March 2007 stay in Praia de Luz and “up to 30 times” in all.
Mum-of-five Shauna said: “No matter what time I looked, he’d be there. He was watching our children.”
The family’s two teenage daughters ran when they spotted him following them.
A private detective did visit the Duncans and showed Tirna the sketch of the suspect. Shauna recalls her saying: “That’s the man who tried to get me.”

The Sun revealed on Monday that a man matching the suspect’s description tried to lure a five-year-old in Portugal weeks before Madeleine was kidnapped.

 8-)(--) LOL you couldnt make it up could you.

Man on moped goes to snatch girl, then what? Snatch girl, then pick up girl and moped and put in back of van, then go around to the front of the van locate key and drive off.

LURKING MAN seen watching family and you dont do anything...

And the private detectives I believe were METODO 3....

Just more rubbish dragged up.

Why?

Just what is going on. Its like we just have to been bombarded with creepy men, riding on mopeds, white vans etc.

FOLKS wake up for gods sake, a lot of pedophiles are friends you know, professionals, doctors, teachers etc, not necessarily creepy looking men with long hair driving a moped.

Jeez get real...lol

And teachers well thats scary especially with youngsters under 16.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/39783/

And workers in creches...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6258910/Nursery-paedophile-Vanessa-George-Ill-be-out-in-two-years.html

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on November 17, 2013, 12:03:45 PM
That is a ridiculous post.

How are the McCann's meant to search in Portugal?   Knock on doors?

The PJ are doing an investigation aren't they?

SY are doing an investigation.

The only way the McCann's have been able to search [as they don't know where Madeleine is]  is by following up sightings.

That post of yours is an example of the nonsense that is being spread about.

I must admit I agree with you.

We need LESS interferance by the McCanns not more, and let the police do their job.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 17, 2013, 12:05:43 PM
8-)(--) LOL you couldnt make it up could you.

Man on moped goes to snatch girl, then what? Snatch girl, then pick up girl and moped and put in back of van, then go around to the front of the van locate key and drive off.

LURKING MAN seen watching family and you dont do anything...

And the private detectives I believe were METODO 3....

Just more rubbish dragged up.

Why?

Just what is going on. Its like we just have to been bombarded with creepy men, riding on mopeds, white vans etc.

FOLKS wake up for gods sake, a lot of pedophiles are friends you know, professionals, doctors, teachers etc, not necessarily creepy looking men with long hair driving a moped.

Jeez get real...lol

And teachers well thats scary especially with youngsters under 16.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/39783/

And workers in creches...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6258910/Nursery-paedophile-Vanessa-George-Ill-be-out-in-two-years.html



FOLKS wake up for gods sake, a lot of pedophiles are friends you know, professionals, doctors, teachers etc, not necessarily creepy looking men with long hair driving a moped.

No, All paedophiles are creepy looking men who hang around play parks wearing long brown over coats, wellington boots & nothing else.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: LagosBen on November 17, 2013, 12:06:02 PM
And we need the disappearance/abduction/ sightings, investigated fully and properly this time round.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on November 17, 2013, 12:11:08 PM
And we need the disappearance/abduction/ sightings, investigated fully and properly this time round.


 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on November 17, 2013, 01:05:26 PM
The only thing we need is the McCann to start telling the truth and asking their friends to do the same.

We are fed up of this circus.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on November 17, 2013, 01:15:21 PM
SY believe they are telling the truth Luz,   the Portuguese police are now following the abduction route are they not telling the truth?

End the circus,  end it by,  admitting that Madeleine was abducted,  that the McCann's told the truth.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on November 17, 2013, 01:20:28 PM
That is a ridiculous post.

How are the McCann's meant to search in Portugal?   Knock on doors?

The PJ are doing an investigation aren't they?

SY are doing an investigation.

The only way the McCann's have been able to search [as they don't know where Madeleine is]  is by following up sightings.

That post of yours is an example of the nonsense that is being spread about.

They could have. They stayed in Portugal from late April until early September (when they were made arguidos and when their testimonies could be more important).

Instead of searching they chose to keep a media profile: jogging, playing tennis, going to the pool and the beach, getting a nice tan for the photographs, attending their newly friends  get togethers, goiung to every possible Media that would have them, around the world,...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on November 17, 2013, 01:23:20 PM
SY believe they are telling the truth Luz,   the Portuguese police are now following the abduction route are they not telling the truth?

End the circus,  end it by,  admitting that Madeleine was abducted,  that the McCann's told the truth.

SY is telling nothing - or I prefer they are telling nothing, or I would have to accept they are connivent with child abusers/neglectors/murderers....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on November 17, 2013, 01:31:40 PM
Scotland Yard may be doing great efforts and may be deluding the public in order to get to the real culprits, but they have failed so much in the past that I choose to wait and see.
And I would like they stopped making themselves look stupid with Crimewatchers soap operas and silly Redwood declarations that declares zero.

So far the New Scotland Yard has behaved like a youth club about this matter,...sorry guys but that's what you look like.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 17, 2013, 01:40:44 PM
Scotland Yard may be doing great efforts and may be deluding the public in order to get to the real culprits, but they have failed so much in the past that I choose to wait and see.
And I would like they stopped making themselves look stupid with Crimewatchers soap operas and silly Redwood declarations that declares zero.

So far the New Scotland Yard has behaved like a youth club about this matter,...sorry guys but that's what you look like.

They do seem to have been quiet for a couple of weeks. That's how it should be - say nothing until arrests have been made, or until they admit to giving up.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on November 17, 2013, 01:43:19 PM
Scotland Yard may be doing great efforts and may be deluding the public in order to get to the real culprits, but they have failed so much in the past that I choose to wait and see.
And I would like they stopped making themselves look stupid with Crimewatchers soap operas and silly Redwood declarations that declares zero.

So far the New Scotland Yard has behaved like a youth club about this matter,...sorry guys but that's what you look like.


like your precious pj failed 6 years ago..what do they look like..key stone cops spring to mind.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 17, 2013, 01:57:07 PM

like your precious pj failed 6 years ago..what do they look like..key stone cops spring to mind.

I don't think one can guarantee that SY will be any more successful.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on November 17, 2013, 01:57:25 PM

like your precious pj failed 6 years ago..what do they look like..key stone cops spring to mind.


Thanks for revealing yourself.

I am no supporter of police forces, whatever they are or wherever they operate. But in this case, if I had to choose I would stand by the PJ and not by NSY.


Amazingly it was the stone laboratory FSS that messed up...just saying....


The scotland yard prefers to shoot innocents, the pj gives opportunity for the guilty to escape justice....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on November 17, 2013, 02:02:36 PM

Thanks for revealing yourself.

I am no supporter of police forces, whatever they are or wherever they operate. But in this case, if I had to choose I would stand by the PJ and not by NSY.


The scotland yard prefers to shoot innocents, the pj gives opportunity for the guilty to escape justice....

revealing myself what you on about ?..and that's your choice..but I know who I would prefer and trust.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 17, 2013, 06:53:29 PM
Kate McCann: Pain won’t end until we find Madeleine
KATE McCann has spoken of how her pain will never go away until she finds her daughter Madeleine.
By: David Pilditch and Tracey Kandohla Sat, November 16, 2013
0   
Kate McCann has spoken of her heartbreak at not finding Maddie [ PA]
The anguished mother spoke of “the dread of knowing what happened and the dread of not knowing what happened” as she addressed a Missing ­People fundraising dinner.

On a positive note Kate, in her role as ambassador for the charity, revealed how a poster campaign she launched has helped find 100 missing children and adults.

The appeal on digital hoardings at rail and bus stations, sports venues and shopping centres across Britain, was started in July last year. The former GP, 45, of Rothley, Leics, told an audience on Wednesday at London’s ­Victoria and Albert Museum: “I am delighted to say that last week the 100th missing person featured on the digital billboards was found, a truly amazing achievement.”

Kate described her own family’s heartache since Madeleine vanished in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007, just days before her fourth birthday.

She told how the ordeal continued for her, husband Gerry and eight-year-old twins Sean and Amelie.



Kate said: “You need to know that all that can be done is being done – and you need to know that the world hasn’t given up.”

Last month the search was boosted after Portuguese police relaunched their investigation into the little girl’s disappearance.

At the same time, a ­Scotland Yard team unveiled two e-fits of a new prime suspect.

Police received nearly 3,000 calls and emails after the images were shown in a Crimewatch special broadcast across Europe.

 


 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 17, 2013, 06:56:14 PM
Two days old news posted several times before,on here, any new news?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 17, 2013, 07:26:31 PM
Kate McCann: Pain won’t end until we find Madeleine
KATE McCann has spoken of how her pain will never go away until she finds her daughter Madeleine.
By: David Pilditch and Tracey Kandohla Sat, November 16, 2013
0   
Kate McCann has spoken of her heartbreak at not finding Maddie [ PA]
The anguished mother spoke of “the dread of knowing what happened and the dread of not knowing what happened” as she addressed a Missing ­People fundraising dinner.

On a positive note Kate, in her role as ambassador for the charity, revealed how a poster campaign she launched has helped find 100 missing children and adults.

The appeal on digital hoardings at rail and bus stations, sports venues and shopping centres across Britain, was started in July last year. The former GP, 45, of Rothley, Leics, told an audience on Wednesday at London’s ­Victoria and Albert Museum: “I am delighted to say that last week the 100th missing person featured on the digital billboards was found, a truly amazing achievement.”

Kate described her own family’s heartache since Madeleine vanished in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007, just days before her fourth birthday.

She told how the ordeal continued for her, husband Gerry and eight-year-old twins Sean and Amelie.



Kate said: “You need to know that all that can be done is being done – and you need to know that the world hasn’t given up.”

Last month the search was boosted after Portuguese police relaunched their investigation into the little girl’s disappearance.

At the same time, a ­Scotland Yard team unveiled two e-fits of a new prime suspect.

Police received nearly 3,000 calls and emails after the images were shown in a Crimewatch special broadcast across Europe.

 


and the result of the calls has achieved ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on November 17, 2013, 07:45:32 PM

and the result of the calls has achieved ?

A big fat ZERO !!

What about the guy whom two people phoned in about and positively identified?   Must be yet another blind alley.  Crimewatch is starting to look really stupid.

3000 calls and e-mails and not a single collar.  Must be the flop of the century.   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 17, 2013, 07:53:53 PM
A big fat ZERO !!

What about the guy whom two people phoned in about and positively identified?   Must be yet another blind alley.  Crimewatch is starting to look really stupid.

3000 calls and e-mails and not a single collar.  Must be the flop of the century.   @)(++(*

Matches the joke of the century...mm abduction
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 17, 2013, 09:01:23 PM
A big fat ZERO !!

What about the guy whom two people phoned in about and positively identified?   Must be yet another blind alley.  Crimewatch is starting to look really stupid.

3000 calls and e-mails and not a single collar.  Must be the flop of the century.   @)(++(*
Isn't that expected when first you have a theory and then try to find evidence that will confirm it?
"When a child is reported missing the police must start from the strong possibility that someone who knows the child is responsible."  David Canter (The Times, 22.09.2007)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 17, 2013, 11:00:47 PM

and the result of the calls has achieved ?

Who knows
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 17, 2013, 11:28:16 PM
Who knows

Sy do
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 18, 2013, 12:37:49 AM
According to Kate's mood, I already said this, it looks like the SY investigation is not very fruitful.

But we also have a newly open PJ investigation and the fresh PJ team.. hopefully they reach somewhere..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 18, 2013, 12:42:12 AM
According to Kate's mood, I already said this, it looks like the SY investigation is not very fruitful.

But we also have a newly open PJ investigation and the fresh PJ team.. hopefully they reach somewhere..

What  the fk has kate mccanns mood to do with ANYTHING? She hasnt a clue what either  SY or PJ are doing...........thats why she cant sleep probs....  Get a grip wont you....sheesh...must log off from INSANE  inannities......
 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 18, 2013, 01:28:53 AM
What  the fk has kate mccanns mood to do with ANYTHING? She hasnt a clue what either  SY or PJ are doing...........thats why she cant sleep probs....  Get a grip wont you....sheesh...must log off from INSANE  inannities......
 @)(++(*

Please be respectful. You are in a bully mood again.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on November 18, 2013, 01:38:54 AM
Please be respectful. You are in a bully mood again.

'Respectful'  to whom  ?  ...  the McCanns ? 

Red makes a valid point

The McCanns are almost certainly  'out of the loop'  at this point  ...  and that would be stressful indeed,  given that being in control of events and agendas has always been crucial to them,  and those employed by them
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 18, 2013, 01:53:40 AM
To me and to the McCanns.. is that hard?

The respect is kind of thing you learn at home at early age... you wouldn't talk in real life with rude people.. why should this be tolerated on the net?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on November 18, 2013, 02:19:57 AM
To me and to the McCanns.. is that hard?

The respect is kind of thing you learn at home at early age... you wouldn't talk in real life with rude people.. why should this be tolerated on the net?

If you feel a member has been disrespectful to you,   personally,  then certainly you have a right to to take exception

...  but to insist that members are  'respectful'  of the McCanns  ?

You must appreciate,  VIXTE,  that there are are members here who feel the McCanns behaviour has been shameful ...  there are, indeed,  members here who suspect the McCanns  may have been involved in their missing child's disappearance

In those circumstances,  to  demand that those members  show  'respect'  to the parents of the little girl who vanished is just silly 

There are members of this forum who do  NOT  'respect the McCanns  ...  they may feel sympathy  or pity  (  or not )  but they do not feel respect

That is their prerogative
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 18, 2013, 03:30:17 AM
IMO harassing parents of a missing girl on this level ..WHEN you are told they are not suspect by the relevant authorities who are professionals at least .. this is one of the biggest sins one can do on this Earth..
I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I am that much poisoned with this awful kind of disgusting energy.
And in name of what?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 18, 2013, 08:11:05 AM
IMO harassing parents of a missing girl on this level ..WHEN you are told they are not suspect by the relevant authorities who are professionals at least .. this is one of the biggest sins one can do on this Earth..
I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I am that much poisoned with this awful kind of disgusting energy.
And in name of what?


Tell me 'VIXTE'  who is responsible for what happened to Madeleine ?

The Mccanns and nobody else hold responsibility for what happened to Madeleine.

We are now paying for their incompetence as parents, through the investigation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on November 18, 2013, 08:34:20 AM
A big fat ZERO !!

What about the guy whom two people phoned in about and positively identified?   Must be yet another blind alley.  Crimewatch is starting to look really stupid.

3000 calls and e-mails and not a single collar.  Must be the flop of the century.   @)(++(*

Err,   you know this how?

SY will not be giving a a-z of their investigation to us the public.

You would like to think it was a flop by the sound of it.    Any reason why you wish SY to fail?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on November 18, 2013, 08:36:43 AM

Tell me 'VIXTE'  who is responsible for what happened to Madeleine ?

The Mccanns and nobody else hold responsibility for what happened to Madeleine.

We are now paying for their incompetence as parents, through the investigation.

Here we go back to the 'leaving the children alone'.      It's Madeleine the focus should be on Stephen,   an abductor took her,    this person is still out there.

You wish to stay in a groove  where you keep shouting about Madeleine left alone.

WE KNOW!!!    Move on!!!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 18, 2013, 08:52:16 AM
Here we go back to the 'leaving the children alone'.      It's Madeleine the focus should be on Stephen,   an abductor took her,    this person is still out there.

You wish to stay in a groove  where you keep shouting about Madeleine left alone.

WE KNOW!!!    Move on!!!

Of course you know.

Meanwhile where is the proof of abduction ?

As we have seen through the crimewatch program, it has come to nothing.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 18, 2013, 09:05:22 AM
Of course you know.

Meanwhile where is the proof of abduction ?

As we have seen through the crimewatch program, it has come to nothing.

I imagine the the Crimewatch program has generated an enormous amount of paperwork, most if not all of which will be totally useless, but must be processed. This takes time and manpower which might be better spent elsewhere.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on November 18, 2013, 09:05:57 AM
Of course you know.

Meanwhile where is the proof of abduction ?

As we have seen through the crimewatch program, it has come to nothing.

Ask SY and the PJ.

Do you know why I think you keep going on about the McCann's leaving the children?

It's because you have lost the argument about the McCann's faking abduction and hiding Madeleine's body.   You have lost that argument and the only thing you can think of that they have done wrong is to leave the children alone.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 18, 2013, 09:15:25 AM
Ask SY and the PJ.

Do you know why I think you keep going on about the McCann's leaving the children?

It's because you have lost the argument about the McCann's faking abduction and hiding Madeleine's body.   You have lost that argument and the only thing you can think of that they have done wrong is to leave the children alone.

i.e. nothing has come to light to prove abduction.

Without abduction, let alone proof of it, the blame for Madeleine's disappearance goes to where it belongs.

Now tell me exactly, after 6 and a half years, and not one trace of Madeleine, what next ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 18, 2013, 09:16:37 AM
 I can't see that anyone has won or lost any argument. No one, including two police forces,  has any real idea what happened to Madeleine - all are working on one unsupported theory or another.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on November 18, 2013, 09:54:55 AM
i.e. nothing has come to light to prove abduction.

Without abduction, let alone proof of it, the blame for Madeleine's disappearance goes to where it belongs.

Now tell me exactly, after 6 and a half years, and not one trace of Madeleine, what next ?

Nothing has come to light to prove abduction unquote   says Stephen an armchair detective.    Say that to SY and the PJ why don't you.

SY and the PJ are investigating,    lets see what happens there shall we.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 18, 2013, 10:01:05 AM
Nothing has come to light to prove abduction unquote   says Stephen an armchair detective.    Say that to SY and the PJ why don't you.

SY and the PJ are investigating,    lets see what happens there shall we.


6 and a half years of nothing...................................................
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on November 18, 2013, 10:04:08 AM

Tell me 'VIXTE'  who is responsible for what happened to Madeleine ?

The Mccanns and nobody else hold responsibility for what happened to Madeleine.

We are now paying for their incompetence as parents, through the investigation.

Reading that post of yours Stephen can I ask you a question?

Who is responsible for the abduction of Sarah Payne?   the parents who left her to play in a cornfield with her siblings?

Who is responsible for the abduction of April Jones?   the parents for letting her play outside?

Who is responsible for the abduction of Ben Needham?  the grandmother who took her eyes off him whilst he played by himself outside?

Of course not.    Sarah should have been safe to walk the short distance to the house of her Grandparents.

April should have been safe to play on her bike outside.

Ben should have been safe playing outside his Grandparents home.

Madeleine should have been safe tucked up in bed in the apartment.

If Sarah Payne's son had not seen that white van there would have been no evidence of abduction.

If April's friend had not seen April get into that car there would have been no evidence of abduction.

No one saw Ben being taken,  there has been no body found.   The most likely scenario is that he was abducted.

Despite a huge search, Madeleine's body was not discovered.     Witnesses saw a man carrying a child who resembled Madeleine in every way.  The most likely scenario is that Madeleine was abducted.   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 18, 2013, 10:10:24 AM
Reading that post of yours Stephen can I ask you a question?

Who is responsible for the abduction of Sarah Payne?   the parents who left her to play in a cornfield with her siblings?

Who is responsible for the abduction of April Jones?   the parents for letting her play outside?

Who is responsible for the abduction of Ben Needham?  the grandmother who took her eyes off him whilst he played by himself outside?

Of course not.    Sarah should have been safe to walk the short distance to the house of her Grandparents.

April should have been safe to play on her bike outside.

Ben should have been safe playing outside his Grandparents home.

Madeleine should have been safe tucked up in bed in the apartment.

If Sarah Payne's son had not seen that white van there would have been no evidence of abduction.

If April's friend had not seen April get into that car there would have been no evidence of abduction.

No one saw Ben being taken,  there has been no body found.   The most likely scenario is that he was abducted.

Despite a huge search, Madeleine's body was not discovered.     Witnesses saw a man carrying a child who resembled Madeleine in every way.  The most likely scenario is that Madeleine was abducted.

Why is abduction the only logical scenario ?

The forensics in the apartment were inconclusive, no more, no less.

No evidence/proof was found by the PJ of this.

Why did Madeleine's parents leave children in an unlocked apartment ( or so they claim ) for several nights in a row, in a foreign country, they did not know ?

Seeing a man carrying a child in his arms does not prove abduction.

Don't forget the Tanner sighting, which has been dismissed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 18, 2013, 10:19:59 AM
Reading that post of yours Stephen can I ask you a question?

Who is responsible for the abduction of Sarah Payne?   the parents who left her to play in a cornfield with her siblings?

Who is responsible for the abduction of April Jones?   the parents for letting her play outside?

Who is responsible for the abduction of Ben Needham?  the grandmother who took her eyes off him whilst he played by himself outside?

Of course not.    Sarah should have been safe to walk the short distance to the house of her Grandparents.

April should have been safe to play on her bike outside.

Ben should have been safe playing outside his Grandparents home.

Madeleine should have been safe tucked up in bed in the apartment.

If Sarah Payne's son had not seen that white van there would have been no evidence of abduction.

If April's friend had not seen April get into that car there would have been no evidence of abduction.

No one saw Ben being taken,  there has been no body found.   The most likely scenario is that he was abducted.

Despite a huge search, Madeleine's body was not discovered.     Witnesses saw a man carrying a child who resembled Madeleine in every way.  The most likely scenario is that Madeleine was abducted.

There are actions which society considers acceptable. Letting your children play outside your house, going for a walk with siblings. Then there are behaviours which are considered unacceptable, leaving your children alone at night in an unlocked apartment.

Most people have allowed their kids certain freedoms. I remember the day I first allowed my sons to go to the park without me. You can see the park from the back bedroom window in our house and they went with the neighbours children who were in their teens. My elder boy, who was 8 at the time, was given a watch and told to come home every 15 minutes to let me know they were ok.

It wasn't fun for me. It was a quite horrible experiance. I spent a large portion of those 15 minutes leaning out of the upstairs bedroom window to get a beeter view of the corner of the park where they were playing football. I let them do it though because it was fun for them. It was important to them to have a little independence from me.

Part of the reason I find the idea of leaving the children alone, asleep at night is because it was such a selfish act. It was for the parents benefit entirely. They took a risk with their children because  wanted time to themselves. That just seems wrong.

Just to clarify, I see nothing wrong in 'me' time for parents, or occasionally doing something selfish. I've left my kids with my parents when they haven't wanted me to go out. I had a holiday without them last year (the most selfish of selfish acts!) but I never took a risk that wasn't to their benefit.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on November 18, 2013, 10:32:58 AM
There are actions which society considers acceptable. Letting your children play outside your house, going for a walk with siblings. Then there are behaviours which are considered unacceptable, leaving your children alone at night in an unlocked apartment.

Most people have allowed their kids certain freedoms. I remember the day I first allowed my sons to go to the park without me. You can see the park from the back bedroom window in our house and they went with the neighbours children who were in their teens. My elder boy, who was 8 at the time, was given a watch and told to come home every 15 minutes to let me know they were ok.

It wasn't fun for me. It was a quite horrible experiance. I spent a large portion of those 15 minutes leaning out of the upstairs bedroom window to get a beeter view of the corner of the park where they were playing football. I let them do it though because it was fun for them. It was important to them to have a little independence from me.

Part of the reason I find the idea of leaving the children alone, asleep at night is because it was such a selfish act. It was for the parents benefit entirely. They took a risk with their children because  wanted time to themselves. That just seems wrong.

Just to clarify, I see nothing wrong in 'me' time for parents, or occasionally doing something selfish. I've left my kids with my parents when they haven't wanted me to go out. I had a holiday without them last year (the most selfish of selfish acts!) but I never took a risk that wasn't to their benefit.


I know what you are saying Cariad,   it was wrong of them to leave the children alone it was something I never did,   my eldest was nine before I even let her walk to the corner shop alone and then I had the urge to follow her.

I must admit my children were not allowed to play outside on their own at age five [April's age]   and definitely not almost two [Ben's age]   but I do not slag the parents off for this,  to me it is a decision they made and one they have to live with,  the same with the McCann's.   I feel that people who keep bringing this up constantly as a means to kick parents when they are down are just wanting to add to the grief they are experiencing  for the loss of  their children.

What I am saying is,   Madeleine should have been safe in her own bed in the apartment safe from anyone coming to abduct her.   

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on November 19, 2013, 12:26:02 PM
Reading that post of yours Stephen can I ask you a question?

Who is responsible for the abduction of Sarah Payne?   the parents who left her to play in a cornfield with her siblings?

Who is responsible for the abduction of April Jones?   the parents for letting her play outside?

Who is responsible for the abduction of Ben Needham?  the grandmother who took her eyes off him whilst he played by himself outside?

Of course not.    Sarah should have been safe to walk the short distance to the house of her Grandparents.

April should have been safe to play on her bike outside.

Ben should have been safe playing outside his Grandparents home.

Madeleine should have been safe tucked up in bed in the apartment.

If Sarah Payne's son had not seen that white van there would have been no evidence of abduction.

If April's friend had not seen April get into that car there would have been no evidence of abduction.

No one saw Ben being taken,  there has been no body found.   The most likely scenario is that he was abducted.

Despite a huge search, Madeleine's body was not discovered.     Witnesses saw a man carrying a child who resembled Madeleine in every way.  The most likely scenario is that Madeleine was abducted.

Thats a very fair post Lace.

Ben Needham we have no body so like you say we cant prove abduction, he could have wondered off and got into trouble we will probably never know.

The only thing i will say is Maddy was not SAFE tucked up in her apartment. By her own parents mouths they said the doors were unlocked for ease of access when checking her.

The fact she was left on her own every night with her two siblings would not for me put her into the hands of an abductor no way, it would make me feel more that she could have harmed herself etc. Abduction would be the last thing on my mind.

Same as Aprils mum and Sarahs mum. The children were just being children. More children are killed on the road then abducted, more children are drowned in swimming pools and rivers then abduction.

The last thing on your mind is abduction when the children are out playing. You have to give them some freedom, you cant sadly keep them safe all the time. You cant possibly know that at the exact time they went out, they would be found by pedophiles. Its so rare you would just not think it.

All you can do now in life is try to keep your children as safe as you can. Leaving them alone in an unlocked apartment is not keeping them safe not in my eyes anyway.

When my children were growing up long time ago now, I NEVER let them out of my sight. They were only ever allowed the run of the garden and my house was always full of kids from the neighbours lol.

I nearly lost my youngest daughter through a mistake by my hubby a simple lapse, and that was it for me.

I wasnt NEVER worried about them being abducted, but of being run over on the street or harmed in some way.

The one thing hopefully that has come out of this terribly sad case of Madeliene is it has made people think a bit more about child safety.

For me yes I agree with you the child could have been abducted but it doesnt always have to be by pervy looking strangers no way.

Will we ever know, i am not sure we will. IF you look at Sarah and April and Jessica and Holly they all died but thankfully the perbs were caught. Also the recent one of the poor lass in the attic. I noted that two of these men got their ideas from the Internet.

I hope that perhaps the Government will now make it harder for perverts to access foul images of children.

Lets hope so.

I hope we never loose another child to a pervert but sadly i dont hold my breath.



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 19, 2013, 12:57:20 PM
"Had Madeleine been specifically targeted, either for herself or because someone knew that apartment 5A would be a breeze to raid? Not only did its corner position allow for easy access and escape, but, unlike many other residences, it had no protective wrought-iron bars at the windows and no security light."

Madeleine by kate mccann.

Judge a person by their own words.........................

So there is NO EXCUSE FOR WHAT SHE AND HER HUSBAND DID.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 25, 2013, 08:44:41 PM
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.tv/schedule

Plus, Stephen Birch - Digging for Madeleine campaign: South African businessman gives an in-depth interview via skype from SA. He has spent £50,000 so far investigating the disappearance of the British toddler. He believes she is buried under the drive-way of Robert Murat, the first suspect in her disappearance.

is there any sensible rational or other reason why this man is not a lunatic?

i started an old thread here worth a listen to him lol

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2032.0
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 25, 2013, 08:49:51 PM
Is that David Icke's channel? They had Birch on? 8()-000(
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on November 25, 2013, 08:53:37 PM
Is that David Icke's channel? They had Birch on? 8()-000(

The very same. Lyall.

I wonder why he doesn't ask Amaral himself, how he planted cadaver in the McCann's car. Seems he only says anything when he's not in Portugal. I can't believe anyone would want to post his crazy beliefs.

Spent 50,000? On a bloody lawn mower with big wheels  @)(++(* @)(++(*

I thought the white coat brigade had picked him up, months ago.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 25, 2013, 08:54:02 PM
Is that David Icke's channel? They had Birch on? 8()-000(

Eeeek!!!
 8()-000(
 @)(++(*




Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 25, 2013, 09:00:40 PM
8)--)) I'm going to tune into the Live Phone In later (23.15). It should be fun, in a talk radio kind of way.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 25, 2013, 09:11:25 PM
Maybe they'll be discussing this case >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 26, 2013, 07:59:24 AM
8)--)) I'm going to tune into the Live Phone In later (23.15). It should be fun, in a talk radio kind of way.

I just couldn't bring myself to watch/listen to anything that had David Ike involved.....

Did you? Kudos if you did, for taking one for the team so to speak....

What happened?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 26, 2013, 08:06:51 AM
I just couldn't bring myself to watch/listen to anything that had David Ike involved.....

Did you? Kudos if you did, for taking one for the team so to speak....

What happened?

I wonder if the lizards rang in. @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 26, 2013, 08:11:20 AM
I wonder if the lizards rang in. @)(++(*

That'll be the Christmas special  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 26, 2013, 02:42:33 PM
I just couldn't bring myself to watch/listen to anything that had David Ike involved.....

Did you? Kudos if you did, for taking one for the team so to speak....

What happened?

No, I forgot 8)--))

But they have a phone-in every night. I'll give it a go tonight.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 26, 2013, 05:15:02 PM
Sonia Poulton has Stephen Birch on last evening, and Michael Shrimpton is on right now >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 26, 2013, 08:56:12 PM
No, I forgot 8)--))

But they have a phone-in every night. I'll give it a go tonight.

You're a star!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 26, 2013, 09:50:52 PM
Hi Cariad, I think you need to 'view' all sides of an argument, be they mainstream or extreme, to come to a 'purely independent' conclusion of one's beliefs !
David Icke can be very extreme as can people who contribute to his website and, now, his webcasted 'news' site, by the same token the people who contribute viewpoints on social media, mainstream media and fora/blogs also have to be taken with the same pinch of salt !
The only people who make the news are those who create the news !

Do I have to watch David Ike? I read 'Them' adventures in extremism by John Ronson which featured Mr Ike, does that count?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 26, 2013, 10:01:45 PM
Hi Cariad, I think you need to 'view' all sides of an argument, be they mainstream or extreme, to come to a 'purely independent' conclusion of one's beliefs !
David Icke can be very extreme as can people who contribute to his website and, now, his webcasted 'news' site, by the same token the people who contribute viewpoints on social media, mainstream media and fora/blogs also have to be taken with the same pinch of salt !
The only people who make the news are those who create the news !

Be Part of the Heard, Not the Herd ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 27, 2013, 08:58:16 AM
I do enjoy Jon Ronson's writing and yes I did enjoy 'Them' !
Have you read 'The men who stare at goats' ? Smack, bang, wallop into D.I. territory !

Yep, and The Psychopath test. I've loved all his books.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 27, 2013, 01:04:12 PM
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 27, 2013, 02:49:59 PM
The Metropolitan Police wants to set up a "joint investigation team" with the Portuguese authorities into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25124643
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on November 27, 2013, 02:57:39 PM
The Metropolitan Police wants to set up a "joint investigation team" with the Portuguese authorities into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25124643

Jolly good stuff.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 02:58:52 PM
The Metropolitan Police wants to set up a "joint investigation team" with the Portuguese authorities into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25124643

Met Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said the force was seeking agreement for the team from the UK and Portuguese governments.

He said it would be more effective than the current "ad-hoc" approach to working together.


"Ad-hoc" >@@(*&) Yes, Bernard, the Portuguese police probably weren't too impressed with the rogatory processes in 2007/8 either. But nobody in the UK suggested a "joint investigation" then did they.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on November 27, 2013, 03:00:50 PM
Met Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said the force was seeking agreement for the team from the UK and Portuguese governments.

He said it would be more effective than the current "ad-hoc" approach to working together.


"Ad-hoc" >@@(*&) Yes, Bernard, the Portuguese police probably weren't too impressed with the rogatory processes in 2007/8 either. But nobody in the UK suggested a "joint investigation" then did they.

Why are you assuming Ad Hoc is a derogatory term? It seems a perfectly accurate one for the present working relationship.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 27, 2013, 03:03:54 PM
Why are you assuming Ad Hoc is a derogatory term? It seems a perfectly accurate one for the present working relationship.

What is the present working relationship?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 03:05:39 PM
Why are you assuming Ad Hoc is a derogatory term? It seems a perfectly accurate one for the present working relationship.

Where is the mention in the article of the legalities of the rogatory processes? In 2007/8 Portuguese police had to proceed in the correct legal manner, and so do British police now. Using terms like "ad-hoc" is dumbing down.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on November 27, 2013, 03:09:20 PM
Where is the mention in the article of the legalities of the rogatory processes? In 2007/8 Portuguese police had to proceed in the correct legal manner, and so do British police now. Using terms like "ad-hoc" is dumbing down.

It isn't dumbing down. It's perfectly accurate.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 03:11:30 PM

What does "ad-hoc" mean?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 03:12:06 PM
It isn't dumbing down. It's perfectly accurate.

We shall have to agree to disagree there ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 03:20:55 PM
What does "ad-hoc" mean?

It means he doesn't want to use the word legal.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 27, 2013, 03:21:04 PM
It's come full circle. They are officially joining together as one investigation team and will be homing in on Smithman IMO.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on November 27, 2013, 03:25:23 PM
What does "ad-hoc" mean?

it means there is no precise agreement
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 03:27:39 PM
It means he doesn't want to use the word legal.

So it can mean whatever anyone wants it to mean, within uncertain boundaries.

It actually has no definitive meaning.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 03:29:14 PM
it means there is no precise agreement

You do realise the Portuguese will be wondering why this is only being proposed six and half years later don't you? Any thoughts on that?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 03:34:36 PM
So it can mean whatever anyone wants it to mean, within uncertain boundaries.

It actually has no definitive meaning.

I've seen another news article now, and there are more words from the Commissioner. But he still doesn't use the word 'rogatory' or the words 'EU law'.

So you can be forgiven for thinking British police don't like the slowness of the bureaucratic (i.e. legal) process. But neither I expect did the Portuguese police in 2007/8, but nobody in the UK media cared about that then did they.

There are good reasons why people are cynical, Eleanor.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 27, 2013, 03:44:48 PM
Sonia Poulton has Stephen Birch on last evening, and Michael Shrimpton is on right now >@@(*&)

Seriously? That should be... erm, illuminating.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 03:45:04 PM
You do realise the Portuguese will be wondering why this is only being proposed six and half years later don't you? Any thoughts on that?

Times they are a changing.  The UK tried too bloody hard not to step on anyone's toes.  This in itself was a disgrace.  Four years before they actually did anything.
Madeleine is a British Citizen, missing abroad.  She deserved so much better than a botched investigation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 03:50:37 PM
I've seen another news article now, and there are more words from the Commissioner. But he still doesn't use the word 'rogatory' or the words 'EU law'.

So you can be forgiven for thinking British police don't like the slowness of the bureaucratic (i.e. legal) process. But neither I expect did the Portuguese police in 2007/8, but nobody in the UK media cared about that then did they.

There are good reasons why people are cynical, Eleanor.

Cynical about what?

You need to understand the importance of CORRECT Rogatory Applications, no matter who instigates them.
The Portuguese didn't even know that Southern Ireland is not part of The UK, so heaven knows how many other mistakes they made initially.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 03:56:14 PM
Times they are a changing.  The UK tried too bloody hard not to step on anyone's toes.  This in itself was a disgrace.  Four years before they actually did anything.
Madeleine is a British Citizen, missing abroad.  She deserved so much better than a botched investigation.

So why is it we never see any of this indignation about the policy of successive UK governments? Or about the performance of the UK police since 2011?

All we ever see is the relentless criticism of one individual - Mr Amaral.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 27, 2013, 03:57:24 PM
Cynical about what?

You need to understand the importance of CORRECT Rogatory Applications, no matter who instigates them.
The Portuguese didn't even know that Southern Ireland is not part of The UK, so heaven knows how many other mistakes they made initially.

Were any rogatory requests submitted during Team Amaral's tenure?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 03:59:18 PM
Cynical about what?

You need to understand the importance of CORRECT Rogatory Applications, no matter who instigates them.
The Portuguese didn't even know that Southern Ireland is not part of The UK, so heaven knows how many other mistakes they made initially.

I do understand the importance of them. I'm sure the Met Commissioner does too. But when he speaks in public he doesn't mention them, and neither does the media. At best that's dumbing down.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 04:04:38 PM
So why is it we never see any of this indignation about the policy of successive UK governments? Or about the performance of the UK police since 2011?

All we ever see is the relentless criticism of one individual - Mr Amaral.

Amaral was the botched investigation.  Read his book.  The McCanns were guilty on Day One, according to him.

Successive UK Governments are by the by. Whoever they are they are still The Government.

No one knows what The UK Police have discovered.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 04:10:18 PM
Amaral was the botched investigation.  Read his book.  The McCanns were guilty on Day One, according to him.

Successive UK Governments are by the by. Whoever they are they are still The Government.

No one knows what The UK Police have discovered.

Read other books than just that one, Eleanor. When a child disappears without any trace, police everywhere - Portugal, UK, US, and everywhere else - always suspect everyone: the child's parents included.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 27, 2013, 04:11:01 PM
Amaral was the botched investigation.  Read his book.  The McCanns were guilty on Day One, according to him.

Successive UK Governments are by the by. Whoever they are they are still The Government.

No one knows what The UK Police have discovered.

Amaral was the botched investigation.  Read his book.  The McCanns were guilty on Day One, according to him.


Has he been proven wrong?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on November 27, 2013, 04:12:11 PM
Amaral was the botched investigation.  Read his book.  The McCanns were guilty on Day One, according to him.


Has he been proven wrong?

Comprehensively.
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 04:15:48 PM
Were any rogatory requests submitted during Team Amaral's tenure?

I don't think so.  So not possible to blame Amaral for that cock up, presuming that they made more mistakes than the Southern Ireland mistake.
But no further application was made to reinterview The Smiths, which would suggest that The Portuguese Investigation at that time did not think that The Smith's testimonies would add anything at all.
And nor do I, as it happens.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on November 27, 2013, 04:19:27 PM
I don't think so.  So not possible to blame Amaral for that cock up, presuming that they made more mistakes than the Southern Ireland mistake.
But no further application was made to reinterview The Smiths, which would suggest that The Portuguese Investigation at that time did not think that The Smith's testimonies would add anything at all.
And nor do I, as it happens.

I'm not sure exactly at what point it was determined that there should be rogatory inerviews.

My impression is at some point during Rebelo's tenure in charge.

Might be wrong on that, though ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 04:23:14 PM
I do understand the importance of them. I'm sure the Met Commissioner does too. But when he speaks in public he doesn't mention them, and neither does the media. At best that's dumbing down.

Why?  This is just legallities.  Get it right or go away and try again.

This has nothing to do with The Met or The Media.

You cannot question a Citizen of Eire by applying to The UK.  It really is that simple.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 04:30:08 PM
I'm not sure exactly at what point it was determined that there should be rogatory inerviews.

My impression is at some point during Rebelo's tenure in charge.

Might be wrong on that, though ...

No, you are not wrong.  It was Rebelo.  And certain members of The Current PJ Investigation did come to England at that time.  But they left in a hurry when yet more leaks were going on.  So much for Secrecy.
The whole thing was a farce.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on November 27, 2013, 04:33:37 PM
Why?  This is just legallities.  Get it right or go away and try again.

This has nothing to do with The Met or The Media.

You cannot question a Citizen of Eire by applying to The UK.  It really is that simple.

The question of greater interest to me than the error in sending a rogatory letter to the wrong pariiament is why it wasn't rectified.

I think, most likely, because it was judged Mr Smith was not, after all, such a crucial witness.

That might have been a wrong call ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 04:47:44 PM
The question of greater interest to me than the error in sending a rogatory letter to the wrong pariiament is why it wasn't rectified.

I think, most likely, because it was judged Mr Smith was not, after all, such a crucial witness.

That might have been a wrong call ...

I think that this is what I said.  Mr Smith being alone in his assumption.

Just exactly what is 60% to 80% when Mr. Smith himself admits that he didn't even see the face of the man properly?

But I do most sincerely hope that Mr. Smith will be able to forgive himself for what he believed was of some sort of help.

I alone could have torn his testimony to shreds.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 27, 2013, 04:48:11 PM
The Letters of request (rogs) seem to be here:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm

Which did Amaral's team send off prior to his removal from the case*?

* From memory on 2nd Oct 2007.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 27, 2013, 04:55:11 PM
I think that this is what I said.  Mr Smith being alone in his assumption.

Just exactly what is 60% to 80% when Mr. Smith himself admits that he didn't even see the face of the man properly?

But I do most sincerely hope that Mr. Smith will be able to forgive himself for what he believed was of some sort of help.

I alone could have torn his testimony to shreds.

Forgive hmself? heard it all now....why the hell should he....he spoke as he found...and came forward....you should be applauding him for his courage for doing so even though he felt in shock....not morally preachng to him! Disgusting.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Rogerandout on November 27, 2013, 04:59:41 PM
So it can mean whatever anyone wants it to mean, within uncertain boundaries.

It actually has no definitive meaning.

It has an exact meaning. The Latin means "for this", and in English it means "how to proceed in this case alone". This as opposed to how such things ma have been done conventionally.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 05:01:10 PM
Just exactly what is 60% to 80% when Mr. Smith himself admits that he didn't even see the face of the man properly?

A bit like it being claimed JT was 80% sure Cooperman was the man she saw at 9.15 when she didn't see his face?

I alone could have torn his testimony to shreds.

You said it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Rogerandout on November 27, 2013, 05:01:29 PM
Read other books than just that one, Eleanor. When a child disappears without any trace, police everywhere - Portugal, UK, US, and everywhere else - always suspect everyone: the child's parents included.

And don't ignore other leads when they contradict your prime guess.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Rogerandout on November 27, 2013, 05:02:54 PM
Amaral was the botched investigation.  Read his book.  The McCanns were guilty on Day One, according to him.


Has he been proven wrong?

He has certainly not been proved right.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 05:03:39 PM
And don't ignore other leads when they contradict your prime guess.

What other leads were not investigated?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Rogerandout on November 27, 2013, 05:04:57 PM
No, you are not wrong.  It was Rebelo.  And certain members of The Current PJ Investigation did come to England at that time.  But they left in a hurry when yet more leaks were going on.  So much for Secrecy.
The whole thing was a farce.

Nesting for the PJ.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 05:05:56 PM
The Letters of request (rogs) seem to be here:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm

Which did Amaral's team send off prior to his removal from the case*?

* From memory on 2nd Oct 2007.

Oh My, you could be right.  Although in so far as I understand it, Amaral was just in the process of calling The Smiths back to Portugal, without the benefit of any legal obligation.  So Mr. Smith could have refused.
Sadly, we will never know because Amaral was sacked shortly after.  And Rebelo didn't think it was worth the extra effort.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Rogerandout on November 27, 2013, 05:07:23 PM
What other leads were not investigated?

Other leads were investigated, but trying to slam dunk a confession out of the McCann's destroyed their case.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 05:10:57 PM
Nesting for the PJ.

God, was that not ever a hoot.  But The PJ snuck in without an Amaral supporter in sight.

I sometimes forget the laughs that I have had.

And now it is all back on hold until January.  Not sure which January.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on November 27, 2013, 05:11:27 PM
Oh My, you could be right.  Although in so far as I understand it, Amaral was just in the process of calling The Smiths back to Portugal, without the benefit of any legal obligation.  So Mr. Smith could have refused.
Sadly, we will never know because Amaral was sacked shortly after.  And Rebelo didn't think it was worth the extra effort.

I am no Amaral defender but I must ask why you are perpetuating the myth that he was  'sacked'  ?

He was not 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 05:15:30 PM
Other leads were investigated, but trying to slam dunk a confession out of the McCann's destroyed their case.

Ok 8(>(( That's certainly the TM narrative.

The truth about what went on behind that Police HQ door? Who knows.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Rogerandout on November 27, 2013, 05:20:26 PM
Ok 8(>(( That's certainly the TM narrative.

The truth about what went on behind that Police HQ door? Who knows.

We know that Amaral presented the worst possible outcome as truth, even though the evidence did not support the key points- it was either misinterpreted accidentally or purposefully. The question list for Kate McCann makes it clear he was also muck raking. This is SOP for old fashioned policing.

Clear evidence of going for a confession by any means rather than using scientific methods.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Rogerandout on November 27, 2013, 05:21:18 PM
I am no Amaral defender but I must ask why you are perpetuating the myth that he was  'sacked'  ?

He was not

Sacked/Removed from the case.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 05:33:26 PM
I am no Amaral defender but I must ask why you are perpetuating the myth that he was  'sacked'  ?

He was not

Amaral was forcibly removed from The Madeleine Investigation.  Is that sacked or is that sacked?  Okay. I'll settle for Forcibly Removed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 06:33:43 PM
We know that Amaral presented the worst possible outcome as truth, even though the evidence did not support the key points- it was either misinterpreted accidentally or purposefully. The question list for Kate McCann makes it clear he was also muck raking. This is SOP for old fashioned policing.

Clear evidence of going for a confession by any means rather than using scientific methods.

Old fashioned policing? I'm currently reading books on two recent, high-profile UK cases, and if you think our police don't behave exactly the way you describe - and worse - I'd think again.

But you really have no evidence at all about what happened in that Portimao police station in September 07, apart from the TM spin about it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Rogerandout on November 27, 2013, 07:00:45 PM
Old fashioned policing? I'm currently reading books on two recent, high-profile UK cases, and if you think our police don't behave exactly the way you describe - and worse - I'd think again.

But you really have no evidence at all about what happened in that Portimao police station in September 07, apart from the TM spin about it.

The list of questions defines what was going on.

Since policing in the UK was brought into the modern era, you will find that aggressive interviewing to get a confession is seen as wasted effort and in major cases they now use cognitive interviewing almost exclusively.

Juries now suspect police techniques and confessions are often successfully withdrawn if forced by old fashioned methods.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 07:07:20 PM
The list of questions defines what was going on.

Since policing in the UK was brought into the modern era, you will find that aggressive interviewing to get a confession is seen as wasted effort and in major cases they now use cognitive interviewing almost exclusively.

Juries now suspect police techniques and confessions are often successfully withdrawn if forced by old fashioned methods.

I'm not talking about confessions. I mean their methods of evidence gathering from interviewing witnesses. Not much has changed there.

The list of questions defines what was going on? Not sure I know what you mean. We know KM missed the second set of interviews in May, and the 48 questions in September just look like those that were missed in May. They are pretty easy questions.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 28, 2013, 09:48:46 PM
Crime watch just had police man thanking public .pic of mr spotty in back ground
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 28, 2013, 10:03:04 PM
Crime watch just had police man thanking public .pic of mr spotty in back ground

it was DCI Redwood thanking the public ..good to see madeleine's still high profile ... 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 30, 2013, 11:10:37 AM
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, the officer in charge of the Madeleine McCann investigation, appeared on BBC1's Crimewatch programme this evening, Thursday 28 November.

His appearance is a month on from the appeal in the UK, Germany and Holland on specific lines of enquiry, changes to the timeline and issuing of e-fits of people police wish to trace.

DCI Redwood said: "The media appeals produced a fantastic response from the public in all three countries with a total of 3,500 calls and messages in the UK, 850 to Germany, and 650 in Holland.

"Lots of people have called to say they were in Praia da Luz at the time. All of this information has obviously produced a very large volume of work for the Operation Grange team to work through.

"I have been in Faro this week working with police colleagues, and I know the appeal generated a large number of calls to the Portuguese police also.

"I’d like to thank the media and the public for their continued assistance in this challenging enquiry."


Detectives said new material uncovered by the inquiry does not implicate the family or their friends.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 30, 2013, 11:44:36 AM
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, the officer in charge of the Madeleine McCann investigation, appeared on BBC1's Crimewatch programme this evening, Thursday 28 November.

His appearance is a month on from the appeal in the UK, Germany and Holland on specific lines of enquiry, changes to the timeline and issuing of e-fits of people police wish to trace.

DCI Redwood said: "The media appeals produced a fantastic response from the public in all three countries with a total of 3,500 calls and messages in the UK, 850 to Germany, and 650 in Holland.

"Lots of people have called to say they were in Praia da Luz at the time. All of this information has obviously produced a very large volume of work for the Operation Grange team to work through.

"I have been in Faro this week working with police colleagues, and I know the appeal generated a large number of calls to the Portuguese police also.

"I’d like to thank the media and the public for their continued assistance in this challenging enquiry."


Detectives said new material uncovered by the inquiry does not implicate the family or their friends.

Did he say that on the 28th, or are you just tagging old news  onto new?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 30, 2013, 03:51:42 PM
Did he say that on the 28th, or are you just tagging old news  onto new?

No he didnt, it was said about 6 weeks,so old news....and nothing to do with last couple days coverage..thats why its etiquette to provide links....lol
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 30, 2013, 04:41:32 PM

its irrelevant when he said it...he still said it ...just reminding the [ censored word ] dear!  8((()*/

Detectives said new material uncovered by the inquiry does not implicate the family or their friends.

Well, apart from the fact that you are breaking forum rules by using such peurile terms, take note, it would be handy if you wanted to say or quote something to not do it in a deceptive way....i may as well then quote a story and add to the end of it that leicestershire police said that although one or both maybe innocent there is nothing in the  files that exonerrates them....the mccanns that is...after all its irrelevant when they said it and in what context lol

no difference, best to give a link always anyway go back up your text...something which I note is still lacking, despite requests, on your *text* around day 10 of the libel trial......







Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 30, 2013, 04:50:47 PM

Television is so much more interesting at the moment.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: blonk on November 30, 2013, 05:05:51 PM
Forgive hmself? heard it all now....why the hell should he...he spoke as he found...and came forward...you should be applauding him for his courage for doing so even though he felt in shock...not morally preachng to him! Disgusting.
Martin Smith in shock?

Courage?

Pull the other one.

This was a man who says he saw a bloke carrying a child at 10.00pm on 3 May.

He maintained that he wasn't aware of anyone being missing until a text from Ireland the following morning.

Hmmm.

He didn't report his sighting that day. Nor on 5 May. Nor on 6, 7 or 8 May. Nor on 9 May when he travelled back to Ireland.

Nor the following day, 10 May.

Nor on 11, 12, 13, 14 or 15 May.

No, he waited until 16 May, the day after his friend Robert Murat was arrested. I say 'his friend'. We now know that Smith got to know Murat two years earlier (2005) and had met him many times before.

Murat was pulled in for questioning on 15 May. Smith 'phoned the next day. Is there a connection?

And what prompted him to make that call, 13 days late? He says that it was a 'phone call from his son Peter who said: "Was I dreaming or did we see a bloke carrying a child two weeks ago". Peter backs him up.

How credible is that tale?

Honestly?

And then he expects us to believe that on the BBC News on 9 September he 'recognised' Gerry McCann 'by the way he was carrying his child'. As if he could possibly do that if he did not, on his own admission, see Smithman's face (hidden by child, he says), he only saw him for a second or two, it was dark, and the street lighting was 'weak'.

You claim Smith was 'in shock'.

So when exactly did he report his thoughts on 'Smithman' looking 60% to 80% like Gerry McCann?

Answer: several days later.

It's well worth examining carefully all the statements of the Smiths - to the PJ, to the Gradai, to the press.

There are more holes in their tales than in a sieve 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 30, 2013, 05:17:20 PM
Martin Smith in shock?

Courage?

Pull the other one.

This was a man who says he saw a bloke carrying a child at 10.00pm on 3 May.

He maintained that he wasn't aware of anyone being missing until a text from Ireland the following morning.

Hmmm.

He didn't report his sighting that day. Nor on 5 May. Nor on 6, 7 or 8 May. Nor on 9 May when he travelled back to Ireland.

Nor the following day, 10 May.

Nor on 11, 12, 13, 14 or 15 May.

No, he waited until 16 May, the day after his friend Robert Murat was arrested. I say 'his friend'. We now know that Smith got to know Murat two years earlier (2005) and had met him many times before.

Murat was pulled in for questioning on 15 May. Smith 'phoned the next day. Is there a connection?

And what prompted him to make that call, 13 days late? He says that it was a 'phone call from his son Peter who said: "Was I dreaming or did we see a bloke carrying a child two weeks ago". Peter backs him up.

How credible is that tale?

Honestly?

And then he expects us to believe that on the BBC News on 9 September he 'recognised' Gerry McCann 'by the way he was carrying his child'. As if he could possibly do that if he did not, on his own admission, see Smithman's face (hidden by child, he says), he only saw him for a second or two, it was dark, and the street lighting was 'weak'.

You claim Smith was 'in shock'.

So when exactly did he report his thoughts on 'Smithman' looking 60% to 80% like Gerry McCann?

Answer: several days later.

It's well worth examining carefully all the statements of the Smiths - to the PJ, to the Gradai, to the press.

There are more holes in their tales than in a sieve

Oh

Well,I would say he didnt make any connection with the news  story and the man and child they saw that night....it wasnt unusual to see parents carrying their kids at night....as for Murat well obviously if he knew him and saw him on the  tv being accused..the connection will have come back more strongly.as for seeing Gerry off the plane, if one is in shock at what he thought this could mean it may take a couple days to think about it....not sure where youre going with this....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 30, 2013, 05:36:53 PM
Oh
it wasnt unusual to see parents carrying their kids at night....
How many people, seing a father carrying his child the way the carrier did, will suspect he was an abductor ? Everybody has a car, abductors included.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: blonk on November 30, 2013, 06:28:26 PM
Oh

Well, I would say he didn't make any connection with the news story and the man and child they saw that night...

ANSWER
: Honestly - how could he not have done? He was in Praia da Luz on the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th of May. The police were swarming everywhere. So were hundreds of visitors. There were TV cameras everywhere. And he was back in Ireland a whole week without doing anything. And then he says he only reported the sighting because his son 'phoned up and said: "Dad, am I dreaming, or did we see someone carrying a child?" That is not a story we should accept without thinking very hard about it   

it wasn't unusual to see parents carrying their kids at night...

ANSWER: OK, let's explore that one a bit. This was not the height of summer. It was early spring. There were relatively few visitors. Some children might be left in an evening creche. If they could not walk back home on their own, the parent would normally have a buggy. Normally, if you saw someone carrying a child, it would usually be a man, but he would have someone with him, maybe wife, partner, older children, friend etc. The time of this (alleged) sighting was 10.00pm. Now, how likely is it that on a coldish evening at 10pm, a single man would be out, on his own, carrying a child, only in pyjamas, with no buggy for the child? Again, I invite forum members to pause and think about this.

as for Murat, well obviously if he knew him and saw him on the TV being accused...the connection will have come back more strongly...

ANSWER: But that is not what he nor his son Peter says. They do not say: "I saw Murat on the TV and that prompted me to 'phone the police and say it wasn't him". The Smiths' story-line is that it took Peter, 13 days later, to ring his Dad and say: "Dad, was I dreaming or something...?" 

...as for seeing Gerry off the plane, if one is in shock at what he thought this could mean, it may take a couple days to think about it...

ANSWER: I think I am right in saying that it took him ELEVEN more days before doing so
 
...not sure where you're going with this...

ANSWER: It's very simple. DCI Andy Redwood boasted on Crimewatch of how he was 'accepting nothing'. Someone more famous once said: "Assume nothing, question everything". That is all I am doing. I am saying: Do not accept the Smiths' eveidence at face value. I do not accept it as fact. They have made a claim. I am bringing to this forums reasons why we should be highly sceptical about their claims and should test them.

There are also IMO many more reasons btw for doubting their claims. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 30, 2013, 06:39:36 PM
...removed ....


Detectives said new material uncovered by the inquiry does not implicate the family or their friends.
 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 30, 2013, 06:43:45 PM
How many people, seing a father carrying his child the way the carrier did, will suspect he was an abductor ? Everybody has a car, abductors included.

true....especially as it was common to see
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 30, 2013, 07:30:16 PM
The difference between a forum and an e-mail exchange.

Thanks, i think lol


not sure how one can be called nosy reading open forum posts oh well....out of this crap lol
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on November 30, 2013, 07:50:53 PM
Crime watch just had police man thanking public .pic of mr spotty in back ground

Well Spotted
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 30, 2013, 07:52:27 PM
Well Spotted

LOL nothing like a spot of good observation spotting spotty only he want a suspect in the crimewatch appeal in october was he? Didnt even appear on the board...off to check CW from the other day for the mug
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on November 30, 2013, 08:11:55 PM
The list of questions defines what was going on.

Since policing in the UK was brought into the modern era, you will find that aggressive interviewing to get a confession is seen as wasted effort and in major cases they now use cognitive interviewing almost exclusively.

Juries now suspect police techniques and confessions are often successfully withdrawn if forced by old fashioned methods.

I agree with this, Rogerandout. And welcome to the forum by the way.

There is a high degree of subjectivity as far as the questions are concerned. They are complied according to a certain agenda and viewpoint and can have a tremendous effect on the direction of ensuing conversations and events.

This could apply to questions in many situations, but the impact upon proceedings of the way a question is formulated in a case like this can obviously be profound.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 01, 2013, 09:29:59 PM
After 5000 calls/texts/mails over three countries, the Express prints there is hope of a clue...whereas before it was headlines like a  clue gives hope.....sounds like they are floundering with no clues at all......what a pointless sunday article
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on December 01, 2013, 10:26:28 PM
Kate and Gerry McCann made an appeal on a German crime show [EPA]
The potentially strong leads came after Kate and Gerry McCann made a direct appeal on a German crime show, called Case Files XY...Unsolved, in October.

They were joined by Scotland Yard’s Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who asked German viewers for help.

Calls came in from people who had been at the Ocean Club resort at Praia da Luz on the Algarve at the same time as the McCann family, on May 3, 2007. The callers had information about the German or Dutch speaking men, but it is not known if they were able to provide names.

During the programme, 500 calls flooded in to a special team with a further 350 coming in during the following weeks.

Madeleine McCann went missing in May 2007 [PA]

The potentially strong leads came after Kate and Gerry McCann made a direct appeal on a German crime show

The bitter emotions of a seventh Christmas without her beloved Madeleine were evident on Kate’s face as she forced herself into the yuletide spirit for the sake of twins, Sean and Amelie.

She joined thousands for the annual switching on of the Christmas lights in her home village, of Rothley, Leicestershire, on Thursday evening.

She smiled as children played on a bouncy castle and went on rides, but there were other moments when the pain of not having Madeleine there to share the early Christmas joy was clear to see.

With a protective arm around the eight-year-old twins, Kate was cheered by warm words from friends and acquaintances who quietly support her.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on December 03, 2013, 09:48:24 AM
The potentially strong leads came after Kate and Gerry McCann made a direct appeal on a German crime show, called Case Files XY...Unsolved, in October.

They were joined by Scotland Yard’s Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who asked German viewers for help.

Calls came in from people who had been at the Ocean Club resort at Praia da Luz on the Algarve at the same time as the McCann family, on May 3, 2007. The callers had information about the German or Dutch speaking men, but it is not known if they were able to provide names.

During the programme, 500 calls flooded in to a special team with a further 350 coming in during the following weeks.

Madeleine McCann went missing in May 2007 [PA]

The potentially strong leads came after Kate and Gerry McCann made a direct appeal on a German crime show

The bitter emotions of a seventh Christmas without her beloved Madeleine were evident on Kate’s face as she forced herself into the yuletide spirit for the sake of twins, Sean and Amelie.

She joined thousands for the annual switching on of the Christmas lights in her home village, of Rothley, Leicestershire, on Thursday evening.

She smiled as children played on a bouncy castle and went on rides, but there were other moments when the pain of not having Madeleine there to share the early Christmas joy was clear to see.

With a protective arm around the eight-year-old twins, Kate was cheered by warm words from friends and acquaintances who quietly support her.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 03, 2013, 09:53:40 AM
?? thought I was going to read something new there for a second
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on December 03, 2013, 12:55:02 PM
?? thought I was going to read something new there for a second

Don't shoot the messenger .  Was today's news
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 03, 2013, 01:02:51 PM
Don't shoot the messenger .  Was today's news

No, it was Sundays news from the Express,  thats why I was confused, you posted the exact same article before that as well...never mind...doesnt matter...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on December 14, 2013, 11:36:18 PM

A Portuguese military aircraft may have an aerial image of whoever abducted Madeleine McCann, says the Sunday Express. The "spy plane" was taking pictures of the Algarve coast on the day she went missing in 2007, it says.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif on December 14, 2013, 11:46:49 PM
A Portuguese military aircraft may have an aerial image of whoever abducted Madeleine McCann, says the Sunday Express. The "spy plane" was taking pictures of the Algarve coast on the day she went missing in 2007, it says.

 Hasnt this been mentioned before in the early days..but never heard anymore about it..



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif on December 15, 2013, 03:47:16 AM
A Portuguese military aircraft took photos of the Algarve coastline on the day the three-year-old dis­appeared, says British military expert Philip Burden.

He claims the images were clear enough to identify buildings and people’s faces and were offered to Portuguese police when Nato officials later learned of Madeleine’s disappearance. Mr Burden said: “The aircraft may provide a new lead in the hunt for Madeleine. During the early and late evening of May 3, 2007, the day Madeleine disappeared from the holiday resort of Praia da Luz, the plane took aerial photos of that stretch of the Algarve.

"It was on a Nato training exercise and had been used on similar missions over other European countries at other times."

Writer Mr Burden added: "According to my source, strips of film were later passed to the Portuguese police following their appeal for information about Madeleine's disappearance.

"I'm told that there were a number of low-level passes over the resort as part of a lengthy photo reconnaissance training mission. Although the light was fading, people and buildings could be clearly seen."

Portuguese police thanked the Portuguese Air Force for sending the film at the time but the pictures were not evident when secret police files were published later.

Asked to confirm or deny the claims, a Scotland Yard spokesman said: "We are not giving a running commentary."


If good images exist, they could prove vital in establishing what was going on at crucial times around the Ocean Club holiday complex. Spy cameras are so sophisticated they can pick out the registration number of vehicles and, in ideal conditions, tell the colour of a person's eyes.

The claims come at an emotional time for Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, as they prepare to celebrate Christmas with eight-year-old twins Sean and Amelie, with their missing daughter very much at the centre of their thoughts.

On Monday Kate was close to tears at a service at St Martin-in-the-Fields church in London arranged by the charity Missing People, for whom she is an ambassador.

Kate read the words of the Billie Holliday classic I'll Be Seeing You, which moved many in the packed congregation. The lyrics, particularly poignant at this time of year, include the lines: "I'll be seeing you, in all the old familiar places."

Kate's reading gave strength and encouragement to other parents facing the same heart-wrenching void in their lives.

Charity patron Sir Trevor McDonald, the former ITV newsreader, welcomed guests to the service marking the 20th anniversary of the charity.


Sir Trevor said: "It represents a time, if only brief, for those of us who have not been personally affected by the disappearance of someone we love to join in solidarity with those of you here tonight who are living in limbo, with all the grief and hope that brings."

A particularly moving part of the service came when Peter Boxell spoke of his feelings over the disappearance of his son Lee, who vanished in Sutton, Surrey, in 1988, aged just 15. Mr Boxell said: "For many months, Christine and I were afraid to leave the house in case we missed a call from Lee."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/448764/EXCLUSIVE-Nato-spy-plane-may-have-photographed-Madeleine-McCann-abduction
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on December 15, 2013, 07:50:15 AM
A Portuguese military aircraft took photos of the Algarve coastline on the day the three-year-old dis­appeared, says British military expert Philip Burden.

He claims the images were clear enough to identify buildings and people’s faces and were offered to Portuguese police when Nato officials later learned of Madeleine’s disappearance. Mr Burden said: “The aircraft may provide a new lead in the hunt for Madeleine. During the early and late evening of May 3, 2007, the day Madeleine disappeared from the holiday resort of Praia da Luz, the plane took aerial photos of that stretch of the Algarve.

"It was on a Nato training exercise and had been used on similar missions over other European countries at other times."

Writer Mr Burden added: "According to my source, strips of film were later passed to the Portuguese police following their appeal for information about Madeleine's disappearance.

"I'm told that there were a number of low-level passes over the resort as part of a lengthy photo reconnaissance training mission. Although the light was fading, people and buildings could be clearly seen."

Portuguese police thanked the Portuguese Air Force for sending the film at the time but the pictures were not evident when secret police files were published later.

Asked to confirm or deny the claims, a Scotland Yard spokesman said: "We are not giving a running commentary."


If good images exist, they could prove vital in establishing what was going on at crucial times around the Ocean Club holiday complex. Spy cameras are so sophisticated they can pick out the registration number of vehicles and, in ideal conditions, tell the colour of a person's eyes.

The claims come at an emotional time for Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, as they prepare to celebrate Christmas with eight-year-old twins Sean and Amelie, with their missing daughter very much at the centre of their thoughts.

On Monday Kate was close to tears at a service at St Martin-in-the-Fields church in London arranged by the charity Missing People, for whom she is an ambassador.

Kate read the words of the Billie Holliday classic I'll Be Seeing You, which moved many in the packed congregation. The lyrics, particularly poignant at this time of year, include the lines: "I'll be seeing you, in all the old familiar places."

Kate's reading gave strength and encouragement to other parents facing the same heart-wrenching void in their lives.

Charity patron Sir Trevor McDonald, the former ITV newsreader, welcomed guests to the service marking the 20th anniversary of the charity.


Sir Trevor said: "It represents a time, if only brief, for those of us who have not been personally affected by the disappearance of someone we love to join in solidarity with those of you here tonight who are living in limbo, with all the grief and hope that brings."

A particularly moving part of the service came when Peter Boxell spoke of his feelings over the disappearance of his son Lee, who vanished in Sutton, Surrey, in 1988, aged just 15. Mr Boxell said: "For many months, Christine and I were afraid to leave the house in case we missed a call from Lee."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/448764/EXCLUSIVE-Nato-spy-plane-may-have-photographed-Madeleine-McCann-abduction


Clutching at straws.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif on December 15, 2013, 10:58:28 AM
"Portuguese police thanked the Portuguese Air Force for sending the film at the time but the pictures were not evident when secret police files were published later".


Something else that was not evident in the files..just what is it that the Portuguese police are hiding..?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif on December 16, 2013, 02:57:46 PM
Madeleine McCann: Kate is praying for safe return of missing Maddie this Christmas


16 Dec 2013 00:00


Mum Kate McCann prepares for seventh Christmas without missing daughter Madeleine McCann by praying for her return


Kate McCann has told how she is praying for daughter Madeleine’s safe return this Christmas, during a moving tribute to families of lost loved ones.

She revealed her hope while giving strength to parents facing the same void in their lives – as she prepares for a seventh Christmas without the eldest of her three children.

Kate, 45, spoke at a private carol service, hosted by Missing People, in London last week. The former GP, who is an ambassador for the charity, read lyrics from Billie Holiday’s I’ll Be Seeing You, including the line: “I’ll be seeing you, in all the old familiar places.”

A spokeswoman for the charity said: “Kate gave a very moving address as she united with dozens of families who are in the same, terribly sad situation. They came together in solidarity.”

Kate, of Rothley, Leics, was joined at St Martin-in-the-Fields in Trafalgar Square by the ­charity’s patron, ex-newsreader Sir Trevor McDonald, and speakers from the National Crime Agency.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-kate-praying-safe-2931683#ixzz2nbLS1FRH

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on December 20, 2013, 04:51:23 PM
Madeleine McCann: Kate is praying for safe return of missing Maddie this Christmas


16 Dec 2013 00:00


Mum Kate McCann prepares for seventh Christmas without missing daughter Madeleine McCann by praying for her return


Kate McCann has told how she is praying for daughter Madeleine’s safe return this Christmas, during a moving tribute to families of lost loved ones.

She revealed her hope while giving strength to parents facing the same void in their lives – as she prepares for a seventh Christmas without the eldest of her three children.

Kate, 45, spoke at a private carol service, hosted by Missing People, in London last week. The former GP, who is an ambassador for the charity, read lyrics from Billie Holiday’s I’ll Be Seeing You, including the line: “I’ll be seeing you, in all the old familiar places.”

A spokeswoman for the charity said: “Kate gave a very moving address as she united with dozens of families who are in the same, terribly sad situation. They came together in solidarity.”

Kate, of Rothley, Leics, was joined at St Martin-in-the-Fields in Trafalgar Square by the ­charity’s patron, ex-newsreader Sir Trevor McDonald, and speakers from the National Crime Agency.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-kate-praying-safe-2931683#ixzz2nbLS1FRH

So sweet that she's dedicating her time to help other people, same goes for the others. I know Trevor McDonald does a huge amount for charity, lovely man.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on December 20, 2013, 04:55:09 PM
Madeleine McCann: Kate is praying for safe return of missing Maddie this Christmas


16 Dec 2013 00:00


Mum Kate McCann prepares for seventh Christmas without missing daughter Madeleine McCann by praying for her return


Kate McCann has told how she is praying for daughter Madeleine’s safe return this Christmas, during a moving tribute to families of lost loved ones.

She revealed her hope while giving strength to parents facing the same void in their lives – as she prepares for a seventh Christmas without the eldest of her three children.

Kate, 45, spoke at a private carol service, hosted by Missing People, in London last week. The former GP, who is an ambassador for the charity, read lyrics from Billie Holiday’s I’ll Be Seeing You, including the line: “I’ll be seeing you, in all the old familiar places.”

A spokeswoman for the charity said: “Kate gave a very moving address as she united with dozens of families who are in the same, terribly sad situation. They came together in solidarity.”

Kate, of Rothley, Leics, was joined at St Martin-in-the-Fields in Trafalgar Square by the ­charity’s patron, ex-newsreader Sir Trevor McDonald, and speakers from the National Crime Agency.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-kate-praying-safe-2931683#ixzz2nbLS1FRH

Indeed the very same mother, whom along with her husband, where drinking whilst their eldest daughter disappeared from an unlocked apartment.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on December 20, 2013, 08:27:57 PM
Indeed the very same mother, whom along with her husband, where drinking whilst their eldest daughter disappeared from an unlocked apartment.

 Yes Maddie disappeared from the apppt whilst the McCannns were dining...tragic
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 20, 2013, 09:37:24 PM
Indeed it is tragic, BUT could so easily have been avoided !
It could have easily been avoided if it had happened in the first place..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on December 20, 2013, 10:01:36 PM
It could have easily been avoided if it had happened in the first place..

well Stephen says Maddie disappeared whilst her parents were drinking and pat says it could easily have been avoided so it seems you are in the minority
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 20, 2013, 10:05:51 PM
well Stephen says Maddie disappeared whilst her parents were drinking and pat says it could easily have been avoided so it seems you are in the minority
I adore that idea.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 20, 2013, 11:40:59 PM
I adore that idea.

Here is a quotation written on the pavement in Oslo, Norway (my father's home town, incidentally).

From An Enemy of the People (Henrik Ibsen):

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 21, 2013, 12:20:24 AM
Here is a quotation written on the pavement in Oslo, Norway (my father's home town, incidentally).

From An Enemy of the People (Henrik Ibsen):
They are the strong who must be protected against the weak, against the strength of the weak.
Do you speak your fatherland's language ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 21, 2013, 12:47:03 AM
Minority ? What minority ?

It's a simple fact, if Kate & Gerry had not gone out and left THREE MINORS ALONE in an UNLOCKED apartment, on foreign soil over CONSECUTIVE NIGHTS then this 'abduction' would most probably never have happened !
You and your ilk can apologise ad infinitum for their short comings BUT the fact remains, 2 adults left 3 minors in a vulnerable position night after night, and the consequences of their actions have brought us to this juncture !

Hes scuppered off to bed but insists it was responsible parenting...legally speaking of course....as if that is all that matters!!!! Sad but true of the apologists


Gnite from me too


 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: LagosBen on December 21, 2013, 05:37:12 PM
So sweet that she's dedicating her time to help other people, same goes for the others. I know Trevor McDonald does a huge amount for charity, lovely man.

I think so too Victoria.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 28, 2013, 12:21:04 PM
  Maddie cops' prime suspect blunder, 28 December 2013
 
Maddie cops' prime suspect blunder Daily Mirror (paper edition)

They could have ruled out innocent man SIX years ago

EXCLUSIVE

BY TOM PETTIFOR Crime Correspondent
Saturday, 28 December 2013

BUNGLING police chased the wrong suspect for six years in the hunt for missing Madeleine McCann.

An innocent British dad told police in 2007 he was the man in an e-fit seen carrying a child in a Portuguese resort.

But his evidence was overlooked. A source said yesterday: "This doesn't look good."

FULL STORY: PAGES 4&5

[picture text: WRONG MAN E-fit of 'prime suspect']


Bungling police had 'prime suspect' details for 6 years without realising.

The innocent dad came forward in 2007 but mistakenly remained the focus of the hunt
until this year when SY detectives tracked him down.

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-bungling-police-prime-2965027
 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 28, 2013, 12:27:27 PM
Madeleine McCann: Anyone saying they were carrying a child around when Maddy disappeared should have been investigated. opinion by Peter Kirkham

Ex-Met Police chief Peter Kirkham says questions will be asked as to why the relevance of the information was not recognised earlier

Scotland Yard have now concluded that the key sighting of a suspect carrying a child at around 9.15pm was, in fact, a sighting of an innocent dad.

This has changed the entire timeline of the incident and has opened up crucial new lines of enquiry.

Questions will be asked as to why the relevance of the information was not recognised earlier.

While there may have been an oversight by Leicestershire Police, there are two things we should remember.

They did not have access to all the material collected during the investigation and full responsibility for the case remained with the Portuguese at that time.

In their liaison role, they may have simply forwarded the questionnaires to Portuguese police without analysing them themselves.

Even if they did consider the content, they may not have realised the relevance without access to all of the material.

The information should have been recognised as of great relevance by the Portuguese police.

I would have expected any person saying they were innocently carrying a child at around the relevant time and place to be investigated and cross-referenced with other witness accounts.

That said, in a high-profile investigation, so much information floods in that it is all too easy for a crucial item to get lost.

At that time, the main focus of the investigation centred on the interpretation of the DNA evidence which had been recently made available.

This may have led to other potential lines of enquiry being overlooked.

No matter what the explanation, the fact that this "new" witness was in the system all along illustrates why case reviews are so important.

A review of all material, by new pairs of eyes and with the benefit of hindsight, almost always identifies something which has been overlooked.

In this case, it appears to have changed the basic understanding of what may have happened on Thursday, May 3, 2007.



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-anyone-saying-were-2965383

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 28, 2013, 01:02:00 PM


No matter what the explanation, the fact that this "new" witness was in the system all along illustrates why case reviews are so important.

I think it matters.
I'm amazed that an ex-Met Police chief, before knowing the answer to "questions as to why the relevance of the information was not recognised earlier", dares to suggest the PJ is responsible, as if the Portuguese weren't the ones who didn't give much credit to Tannerman, as if they hadn't welcome evidence that they were right.
The AG would have too.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 28, 2013, 01:07:40 PM
I think it matters.
I'm amazed that an ex-Met Police chief, before knowing the answer to "questions as to why the relevance of the information was not recognised earlier", dares to suggest the PJ is responsible, as if the Portuguese weren't the ones who didn't give much credit to Tannerman, as if they hadn't welcome evidence that they were right.
The AG would have too.

The Daily Mirror is probably the McCanns closest newspaper ally.
This article is another PR stunt deflecting any blame imo
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 28, 2013, 01:23:05 PM
The Daily Mirror is probably the McCanns closest newspaper ally.
This article is another PR stunt deflecting any blame imo
But Mr Kirkham is a real person ! No newspaper, ally or not, would take the risk to make him say things he didn't
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 28, 2013, 01:28:38 PM
But Mr Kirkham is a real person ! No newspaper, ally or not, would take the risk to make him say things he didn't

I don't doubt Mr Kirkham said something but why did he?

Why be openly critical of the investigation at this time?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on December 28, 2013, 01:35:55 PM
Is Mr Kirkham the source of the information, or is he merely commenting on what has been stated anonymously by someone else?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 28, 2013, 01:46:56 PM
Is Mr Kirkham the source of the information, or is he merely commenting on what has been stated anonymously by someone else?

A source said: "He had been clear then that he had picked her up at around the time of the sighting but for whatever reason he was not eliminated as a suspect. The fact the details of the prime suspect have been known all along doesn't look good."


Yes Jassi.  It would appear he is commenting on an unsourced quote from..... I wonder who that might be?

Why would someone want to brief against the police & potentialy damage the relationship of SY & PYat a time when they are planning a joint investigation?

Who would want to do that?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 28, 2013, 01:52:27 PM
I don't doubt Mr Kirkham said something but why did he?

Why be openly critical of the investigation at this time?
Imagine you are Mr Innocent. You receive a letter from the LC asking you to answer a questionnaire. You understand perfectly why and do it as well as you can. Then, not getting any reaction from the LC, you think that after all they determined you weren't Tannerman.
6 years after, SY pops up and, coup de théâtre, suggests you're Tannerman. Al-right, better late than never.
You kindly let yourself be photographed, you kindly provide a rotten pyjama that in any case you found useful to keep (not to be sold at Sotheby's within a hundred years as the pyjama mistaken for Madeleine McCann for 6 years and a half), you kindly answer questions.
Then CW is broadcast and, though anonymous, you become a celebrity. Not for the good cause. People start wondering why on earth you didn't step forward, letting the police and the parents in the mud. People start to speculate about your suspicious reason to keep quiet. Worst nobody says it clearly but it's between the lines that you might have prevented Madeleine McCann to be found. Even worst Madeleine's parents seem not to believe you, they keep Tannerman as a suspect on the official site.
How can you defend yourself ?
You reflect that after all nobody, except the police, knows who you are, and make an effort to forget about it.
Then a journalist, looking into the PJ files, finds that there were not many fathers with dark hair and a 2yrs old little girl, 2, eventually 3. He's lucky, you're on a professional site, he contacts you and you get frightened : your anonymity is at risk. So you decide to talk.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on December 28, 2013, 02:01:23 PM
Madeleine McCann: Anyone saying they were carrying a child around when Maddy disappeared should have been investigated. opinion by Peter Kirkham

Ex-Met Police chief Peter Kirkham says questions will be asked as to why the relevance of the information was not recognised earlier

Scotland Yard have now concluded that the key sighting of a suspect carrying a child at around 9.15pm was, in fact, a sighting of an innocent dad.

This has changed the entire timeline of the incident and has opened up crucial new lines of enquiry.

Questions will be asked as to why the relevance of the information was not recognised earlier.

While there may have been an oversight by Leicestershire Police, there are two things we should remember.

They did not have access to all the material collected during the investigation and full responsibility for the case remained with the Portuguese at that time.

In their liaison role, they may have simply forwarded the questionnaires to Portuguese police without analysing them themselves.

Even if they did consider the content, they may not have realised the relevance without access to all of the material.

The information should have been recognised as of great relevance by the Portuguese police.

I would have expected any person saying they were innocently carrying a child at around the relevant time and place to be investigated and cross-referenced with other witness accounts.

That said, in a high-profile investigation, so much information floods in that it is all too easy for a crucial item to get lost.

At that time, the main focus of the investigation centred on the interpretation of the DNA evidence which had been recently made available.

This may have led to other potential lines of enquiry being overlooked.

No matter what the explanation, the fact that this "new" witness was in the system all along illustrates why case reviews are so important.

A review of all material, by new pairs of eyes and with the benefit of hindsight, almost always identifies something which has been overlooked.

In this case, it appears to have changed the basic understanding of what may have happened on Thursday, May 3, 2007.



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-anyone-saying-were-2965383

Isnt this all old news?

The PJ knew all along about the tannerman, that is why they discounted the sighting ALL ALONG. Why do they have to answer to anyone anyway, its there investigation. I thought Amaral mentioned it was a known fact the other week.

I knew tannerman wasnt an abductor lol....

Also it was mentioned he was coming back from the creche NOT going to the creche weeks ago....

On the other paper they are blaming the Leicestershire police, and so it goes on.

This is not news worthy is it, if it was already discussed on CW.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 03:26:05 PM
Tom Pettifor:

The Smith family provided two efit images of the man more than five years ago. However, the sighting was viewed as too late to be significant because of Ms Tanner’s sighting– which is why the efits were only released publicly in a Crimewatch appeal broadcast in October.

What a spinner 8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 28, 2013, 04:58:33 PM
Imagine you are Mr Innocent. You receive a letter from the LC asking you to answer a questionnaire. You understand perfectly why and do it as well as you can. Then, not getting any reaction from the LC, you think that after all they determined you weren't Tannerman.
6 years after, SY pops up and, coup de théâtre, suggests you're Tannerman. Al-right, better late than never.
You kindly let yourself be photographed, you kindly provide a rotten pyjama that in any case you found useful to keep (not to be sold at Sotheby's within a hundred years as the pyjama mistaken for Madeleine McCann for 6 years and a half), you kindly answer questions.
Then CW is broadcast and, though anonymous, you become a celebrity. Not for the good cause. People start wondering why on earth you didn't step forward, letting the police and the parents in the mud. People start to speculate about your suspicious reason to keep quiet. Worst nobody says it clearly but it's between the lines that you might have prevented Madeleine McCann to be found. Even worst Madeleine's parents seem not to believe you, they keep Tannerman as a suspect on the official site.
How can you defend yourself ?
You reflect that after all nobody, except the police, knows who you are, and make an effort to forget about it.
Then a journalist, looking into the PJ files, finds that there were not many fathers with dark hair and a 2yrs old little girl, 2, eventually 3. He's lucky, you're on a professional site, he contacts you and you get frightened : your anonymity is at risk. So you decide to talk.

An amazing precis, Anne.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 05:32:40 PM
6 yrs bungling cops..what an antidote to the 5 yrs hidden efits


!

 @)(++(*


Carry on spinning
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 28, 2013, 05:52:06 PM
6 yrs bungling cops..what an antidote to the 5 yrs hidden efits


!

 @)(++(*


Carry on spinning

That's the impression I got from this article aswell.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 06:01:28 PM
That's the impression I got from this article aswell.

Well they had to take a break for Xmas! Leave the genune circus shows to do their rounds before continung with their own I guess.....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 28, 2013, 06:04:18 PM
But how does portraying a bumbling investigation help the McCanns in their desire for public monies and assistance?

Surely it diminishes public faith in the idea that there is anything to be gained from investing continued resources into this case.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 06:09:56 PM
But how does portraying a bumbling investigation help the McCanns in their desire for public monies and assistance?

Surely it diminishes public faith in the idea that there is anything to be gained from investing continued resources into this case.
Isnt it obvious?


Its over there, never here? Just saying.....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 28, 2013, 06:58:15 PM
Isnt it obvious?


Its over there, never here? Just saying.....

That's assuming the public as a whole, in reading tabloid headlines and maybe not very much else, are going to have a feel for the distinctions in the investigation as to what is Portuguese domain and what is English domain. Lots of procedural issues to grasp, and changes at the helm of the investigation over time. Is everyone keeping track?

IMO the message that it's all their fault (if that's what's being attempted here) is going to be lost on the public, who just see a general mess. The overwhelming tendency is to point the finger at the McCanns, without breaking the investigation down.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 07:13:29 PM
That's assuming the public as a whole, in reading tabloid headlines and maybe not very much else, are going to have a feel for the distinctions in the investigation as to what is Portuguese domain and what is English domain. Lots of procedural issues to grasp, and changes at the helm of the investigation over time. Is everyone keeping track?

IMO the message that it's all their fault (if that's what's being attempted here) is going to be lost on the public, who just see a general mess. The overwhelming tendency is to point the finger at the McCanns, without breaking the investigation down.

Where?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 28, 2013, 07:23:28 PM
The overwhelming tendency is to point the finger at the McCanns, without breaking the investigation down.
I rather think that the overwhelming tendency is to point the finger at all confounded polices.
And with a certain reason, though responsibilities should be clarified in order to at least ameliorate the cooperation between the polices of the EU.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 28, 2013, 07:25:22 PM
Where?

Where not?

If you look at just about any article relating to the McCanns that allows comments, the majority are negative and focus on the fact that the children were left alone in the apartment - regardless of the actual topic of the article. That's what it often seems to come back to.

Not a scientific survey, I admit. But a demonstration of the general feel the public seems to have for this case.

Only someone interested or involved in the investigation is going to bother going into details about what police forces were responsible for what information at what time. 

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 28, 2013, 07:27:23 PM
I rather think that the overwhelming tendency is to point the finger at all confounded polices.
And with a certain reason, though responsibilities should be clarified in order to at least ameliorate the cooperation between the polices of the EU.

I find this interesting - can you be more specific ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: peter claridge on December 28, 2013, 07:35:17 PM
Endless discussion about a person that doesn't exist whether in the form of Crecheman or Bundleman!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 07:37:07 PM
Where not?

If you look at just about any article relating to the McCanns that allows comments, the majority are negative and focus on the fact that the children were left alone in the apartment - regardless of the actual topic of the article. That's what it often seems to come back to.

Not a scientific survey, I admit. But a demonstration of the general feel the public seems to have for this case.

Only someone interested or involved in the investigation is going to bother going into details about what police forces were responsible for what information at what time.

I thought we were talking about press articles and who they put the blame on....ie bungling police etc not readers comments....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 28, 2013, 07:45:41 PM
Endless discussion about a person that doesn't exist whether in the form of Crecheman or Bundleman!
?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 28, 2013, 07:57:30 PM
If you look at just about any article relating to the McCanns that allows comments, the majority are negative and focus on the fact that the children were left alone in the apartment - regardless of the actual topic of the article. That's what it often seems to come back to.

This kind of comment exists since the very beginning and will always exist. This is the easiest way to make up one's mind, the less embarrassing  one. You're not like the McCanns, you're secure.

The McCanns are blamed to have left alone their kids and the police to have spent lots of money without finding the abductor.

It's clear that if there was no abductor, the argument "this happens only to neglectful parents" collapses.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 08:15:36 PM
But how does portraying a bumbling investigation help the McCanns in their desire for public monies and assistance?

Surely it diminishes public faith in the idea that there is anything to be gained from investing continued resources into this case.

The article contains descriptions that Mitchell will definitely approve, and that doesn't happen accidentally.

Personally I think another front page is the reason for the article, it's as simple as that.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 28, 2013, 08:19:50 PM
I thought we were talking about press articles and who they put the blame on....ie bungling police etc not readers comments....

Well the press are addressing a readership...

Just making the point that I don't believe this type of spin - if that is what these recent articles are - is going to work in the McCanns' favour.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 08:34:26 PM
Well the press are addressing a readership...

Just making the point that I don't believe this type of spin - if that is what these recent articles are - is going to work in the McCanns' favour.

OK but I dont like to see things as going in the mccanns favour or not...just want facts not favours......
Its pathetic...Nd in redwoods own words...this has gone on too long...wise man....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on December 28, 2013, 08:39:57 PM
If Amaral had seen fit to visit the crime scene maybe we would have more facts,  he didn't interview the parents, didn't visit the crime scene, heard everything second hand. He could even  be classed as an armchair detective like the rest of us.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 28, 2013, 08:40:16 PM


Just making the point that I don't believe this type of spin - if that is what these recent articles are - is going to work in the McCanns' favour.
I think we're beyond this now, SH. The time of [ censored word ] and [ censored word] has gone.
People who are still interested in this case want to understand.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 08:42:06 PM
If Amaral had seen fit to visit the crime scene maybe we would have more facts,  he didn't interview the parents, didn't visit the crime scene, heard everything second hand. He could even  be classed as an armchair detective like the rest of us.

That was his job?

He wasn't Inspector Morse 8(>((
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 28, 2013, 08:47:00 PM
Surely a slight exaggeration, Drummer

I would call myself an armchair detective....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 28, 2013, 08:47:48 PM
I think we're beyond this now, SH. The time of [ censored word ] and [ censored word] has gone.
People who are still interested in this case want to understand.

Hope that's right!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on December 28, 2013, 08:53:42 PM
What exactly was his role in this case? At the beginning he was Portugal's best cop, lead detective, chief investigator, infact he was portrayed than being whiter than white. Wrote a book took the credit and the cash until his own character was revealed as not being totally unflawed. Now he is a bit player. Laughable really.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 08:54:20 PM
If Amaral had seen fit to visit the crime scene maybe we would have more facts,  he didn't interview the parents, didn't visit the crime scene, heard everything second hand. He could even  be classed as an armchair detective like the rest of us.

Dont be so silly

How many uk dcis get on the ground.. Stupid

When all else fails blame amaral LOL this silly sausage of a defence failed yonks ago......keep up darling
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on December 28, 2013, 08:58:23 PM
Not blaming him Red, just an observation.

SH , thought we just all were armchair detectives until I read the definition of one. Seems Amaral is too.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 09:00:14 PM
What exactly was his role in this case? At the beginning he was Portugal's best cop, lead detective, chief investigator, infact he was portrayed than being whiter than white. Wrote a book took the credit and the cash until his own character was revealed as not being totally unflawed. Now he is a bit player. Laughable really.

You think so?

He is now pretty famous. There may well be other books or projects using his name one day. In English.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on December 28, 2013, 09:00:33 PM
Dont be so silly

How many uk dcis get on the ground.. Stupid

When all else fails blame amaral LOL this silly sausage of a defence failed yonks ago......keep up darling

Why are you addressing me as Darling?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 09:03:11 PM
Not blaming him Red, just an observation.

SH , thought we just all were armchair detectives until I read the definition of one. Seems Amaral is too.

No of course you not blaming him, its ok i understand lol
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on December 28, 2013, 09:05:19 PM
You think so?

He is now pretty famous. There may well be other books or projects using his name one day. In English.

 pretty infamous imo. Do you think he would ever be employed by any legal profession again?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on December 28, 2013, 09:08:20 PM
What exactly was his role in this case? At the beginning he was Portugal's best cop, lead detective, chief investigator, infact he was portrayed than being whiter than white. Wrote a book took the credit and the cash until his own character was revealed as not being totally unflawed. Now he is a bit player. Laughable really.

You obviously don't understand the police hierarchy drummer but then nobody would expect you to.  Dr Gonçalo Amaral rose to one of the highest echelons of the Portuguese police through his successes.  To say that he was in some way a bit player is both false and disingenuous.  He was the coordinator of detectives in both the Cipriano and the McCann cases.  As the name implies, his job was to coordinate those beneath him.  He was not required to go out on the ground looking for clues or to interrogate anyone.

Dr Amaral rose to the equivalent of Detective Chief Superintendent which is one post short of Assistant Chief Constable if you want an equivalent in UK terms.  As such he was a very senior officer.

It is true that his career has been tarnished by the civil case brought against him by his brother and the fallout from the Cipriano beatings.  I am quite sure he regrets both these events as they contributed to his demise and eventual exit from the police.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 09:14:34 PM
You obviously don't understand the police hierarchy drummer but then nobody would expect you to.  Dr Gonçalo Amaral rose to one of the highest echelons of the Portuguese police through his successes.  To say that he was in some way a bit player is both false and disingenuous.  He was the coordinator of detectives in both the Cipriano and the McCann cases.  As the name implies, his job was to coordinate those beneath him.  He was not required to go out on the ground looking for clues or to interrogate anyone.

thanks john for putting it plainly for the hard of hearing


 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on December 28, 2013, 09:16:28 PM
You obviously don't understand the police hierarchy drummer but then nobody would expect you to.  Dr Gonçalo Amaral rose to one of the highest echelons of the Portuguese police through his successes.  To say that he was in some way a bit player is both false and disingenuous.  He was the coordinator of detectives in both the Cipriano and the McCann cases.  As the name implies, his job was to coordinate those beneath him.  He was not required to go out on the ground looking for clues or to interrogate anyone.

Dr Amaral rose to the equivalent of Detective Chief Superintendent which is one post short of Assistant Chief Constable if you want an equivalent in UK terms.

Just to remind you John, it was his supporters that declared him a bit player not myself. Please accuse those posters of being false and disingenuous.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 09:17:32 PM
pretty infamous imo. Do you think he would ever be employed by any legal profession again?

I don't know, but he has some fame now and perhaps will use that in future.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on December 28, 2013, 09:18:29 PM
Wisely I hope.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on December 28, 2013, 09:20:56 PM
Just to remind you John, it was his supporters that declared him a bit player not myself. Please accuse those posters of being false and disingenuous.

You misunderstand, I didn't say you said it.  My point being that he was the guy in charge of the case.  He decided the course of events and who would be investigated. It was the job of his minions to do his bidding.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 09:23:20 PM
Wisely I hope.

8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on December 28, 2013, 09:24:55 PM
You obviously don't understand the police hierarchy drummer but then nobody would expect you to.  Dr Gonçalo Amaral rose to one of the highest echelons of the Portuguese police through his successes.  To say that he was in some way a bit player is both false and disingenuous.  He was the coordinator of detectives in both the Cipriano and the McCann cases.  As the name implies, his job was to coordinate those beneath him.  He was not required to go out on the ground looking for clues or to interrogate anyone.

Dr Amaral rose to the equivalent of Detective Chief Superintendent which is one post short of Assistant Chief Constable if you want an equivalent in UK terms.  As such he was a very senior officer.

It is true that his career has been tarnished by the civil case brought against him by his brother and the fallout from the Cipriano beatings.  I am quite sure he regrets both these events as they contributed to his demise and eventual exit from the police.

I'm sure he regrets it John.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on December 28, 2013, 09:26:20 PM
If Amaral successfully defends the current libel action against him he will earn a small fortune in TV appearances.  If those who are suing him thought him outspoken previously I fear they are in for a big surprise.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on December 28, 2013, 09:27:26 PM
Sorry, the end of my post disappeared.

You have used the term disgraced cop to address the man John, you also said he's lucky not to be in a prison cell. I think my comments were light in respect of yours.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 09:42:30 PM
If Amaral successfully defends the current libel action against him he will earn a small fortune in TV appearances.  If those who are suing him thought him outspoken previously I fear they are in for a big surprise.

Its not about money...(not for mr amaral anyway) the mccanns and their sick entourage went for mr amaral from early on.....with a thoroughly vicious vendetta .....I hope he wins and he will....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on December 28, 2013, 10:08:32 PM
Sorry, the end of my post disappeared.

You have used the term disgraced cop to address the man John, you also said he's lucky not to be in a prison cell. I think my comments were light in respect of yours.

You will be referring to this thread...and he was dam lucky to get a suspended sentence.  Condoning torture and attempting to cover it up are serious crimes especially for a very senior police officer.  Had the Governor of the prison not had the presence of mind to have Leonor photographed he might have got away with it again.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1162.msg32549;topicseen#msg32549

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on December 28, 2013, 10:22:37 PM
If Amaral successfully defends the current libel action against him he will earn a small fortune in TV appearances.  If those who are suing him thought him outspoken previously I fear they are in for a big surprise.

 And if he loses....even if he wins now if he makes any public appearances he will have to explain why the PJ and SY are looking for an abductor...will anyone be interested in his theories now
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on December 28, 2013, 10:24:58 PM
Its not about money...(not for mr amaral anyway) the mccanns and their sick entourage went for mr amaral from early on.....with a thoroughly vicious vendetta .....I hope he wins and he will....

 I don't think theres anything vicious in the case brought by the McCanns...when the book came out posters were crying...why don't they sue if its untrue...they have had to sue to defend their reputation and I hope they win.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 10:28:49 PM
I don't think theres anything vicious in the case brought by the McCanns...when the book came out posters were crying...why don't they sue if its untrue...they have had to sue to defend their reputation and I hope they win.

I dont remember anyone crying.....if you are sobbing and anxious take some camomile tea, its calming, nite now dear....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on December 28, 2013, 10:40:26 PM
I dont remember anyone crying.....if you are sobbing and anxious take some camomile tea, its calming, nite now dear....

check out the several different meaning of the word crying
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 10:46:30 PM
And if he loses....even if he wins now if he makes any public appearances he will have to explain why the PJ and SY are looking for an abductor...will anyone be interested in his theories now

>@@(*&) Have they found one?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on December 28, 2013, 10:58:06 PM
And if he loses....even if he wins now if he makes any public appearances he will have to explain why the PJ and SY are looking for an abductor...will anyone be interested in his theories now
True SY on Crimewatch certainly give the appearance of looking exclusively for an abductor of some sort, but surely it would be usual practice behind the scenes to look comprehensively at all the possibilities?   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 11:00:15 PM
True SY on Crimewatch certainly give the appearance of looking exclusively for an abductor of some sort, but surely it would be usual practice behind the scenes to look comprehensively at all the possibilities?

Davel misses the point I think. They may well be looking only in one direction, but the more years that pass without resolution Mr Amaral's book looks better and better.

Though it's not perfect!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on December 28, 2013, 11:01:52 PM
>@@(*&) Have they found one?

 I cant see SY spending 5 million and two years without ruling out the parents first...a lot of posters wont want to accept this
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 28, 2013, 11:06:44 PM
I cant see SY spending 5 million and two years without ruling out the parents first...a lot of posters wont want to accept this

Why would they have even need to be ruled in, they were already exonerated weren't they?

And Clarence Mitchell said they had nothing to do with it so they obviously, definitely didn't.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 11:07:47 PM
I cant see SY spending 5 million and two years without ruling out the parents first...a lot of posters wont want to accept this

And how can they be ruled out when nobody knows a) what time the crime occurred, or b) what crime occurred?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 11:11:31 PM
I cant see SY spending 5 million and two years without ruling out the parents first...a lot of posters wont want to accept this

The Prime Minister made it very clear where his loyalty lies, davel, and Madeleine's parents are supported by some of the nation's best lawyers.

Two reasons why the Met may have decided not to go down that road.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on December 28, 2013, 11:15:06 PM
Why would they have even need to be ruled in, they were already exonerated weren't they?

And Clarence Mitchell said they had nothing to do with it so they obviously, definitely didn't.

SY said they were going right back to the beginning...remember
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on December 28, 2013, 11:17:38 PM
The Prime Minister made it very clear where his loyalty lies, davel, and Madeleine's parents are supported by some of the nation's best lawyers.

Two reasons why the Met may have decided not to go down that road.

 I think its just wishful thinking by you that SY haven't looked at the evidence against the mCCanns...and decided they are not suspects
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on December 28, 2013, 11:24:50 PM
Were there no provoking questions in the cw show at all?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 28, 2013, 11:28:36 PM
The Prime Minister made it very clear where his loyalty lies, davel, and Madeleine's parents are supported by some of the nation's best lawyers.

Two reasons why the Met may have decided not to go down that road.

Downing Street and SY are going to engage in a cover-up to protect the McCanns? Why?  Because the McCanns have good lawyers?
 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 11:45:22 PM
Downing Street and SY are going to engage in a cover-up to protect the McCanns? Why?  Because the McCanns have good lawyers?
 

A cover-up? I didn't use that word. I'm just repeating what Cameron quite clearly has indicated in Parliament - why he has is a different issue and who could know why he made his decision.

But nobody can be in any doubt about his position on the case can they?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 11:49:17 PM
Downing Street and SY are going to engage in a cover-up to protect the McCanns? Why?  Because the McCanns have good lawyers?
 

Davel ignored my question: How can anyone (including the child's parents) be ruled in or out when - after Crimewatch - it's clear the police don't know a) what time the crime occurred, or b) what crime occurred?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on December 28, 2013, 11:57:04 PM
Davel ignored my question: How can anyone (including the child's parents) be ruled in or out when - after Crimewatch - it's clear the police don't know a) what time the crime occurred, or b) what crime occurred?

According to SY the McCanns have been ruled out so you need to ask them. Its quite obvious to me that the McCannns had no criminal responsibility with regards to Maddies disappearance...posters here might want to accept that there was an accident and  a cover up...or whatever... I imagine that SY think that all the available evidence shows that this just isn't possible
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 11:59:38 PM
According to SY the McCanns have been ruled out so you need to ask them. Its quite obvious to me that the McCannns had no criminal responsibility with regards to Maddies disappearance...posters here might want to accept that there was an accident and  a cover up...or whatever... I imagine that SY think that all the available evidence shows that this just isn't possible

We will ask them 8)-))) When the investigation is over. They'll just ignore us now (and then 8(8-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 12:00:57 AM
A cover-up? I didn't use that word. I'm just repeating what Cameron quite clearly has indicated in Parliament - why he has is a different issue and who could know why he made his decision.

But nobody can be in any doubt about his position on the case can they?

I'm using the word cover up to take the thing to its logical extremity.

The PM may have made his loyalties clear, yes, and SY may be emphasising that the McCanns are not part of their investigation.

But that does not mean that either the government or SY have been pressurised or intimidated into those positions because of anything to do with the McCanns. Or any one else.

Though perhaps for another, altogether more powerful person or organisation, Cameron and SY would tow a line. Perhaps.

But to suggest that a couple from Rothley have the government and  SY eating off their plate - far too far fetched.   

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 12:03:51 AM
But davel all through 2007 we were told evidence existed that showed it was an abduction, but none ever emerged.

So you can see why we don't believe those who say the police have said Madeleine's parents aren't suspects based on evidence?

As Bush once famously nearly said: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on December 29, 2013, 12:04:55 AM
It may seem better to you but the amaral has been ridiculed in the uk press so no one takes him seriously
Has anyone yet accused Mr Amaral of nudging someone during an Crimewatch interview?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 12:05:17 AM
A cover-up? I didn't use that word.
Not only the word but the concept.
SY was asked to review the case in order to find a little girl, likely alive since no evidence of harm nor corpse had been found.
How could they possibly achieve that investigating her parents ?
Instead of trying and examining what could and what couldn't have happened to her, they reviewed looking for an abductor who would lead them to Madeleine.
As they had been ordered to.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 12:08:26 AM
Davel ignored my question: How can anyone (including the child's parents) be ruled in or out when - after Crimewatch - it's clear the police don't know a) what time the crime occurred, or b) what crime occurred?

DCI Redwood announced on the same programme that he and his officers had taken the investigation 'back to zero' and were 'assuming nothing'.

Unless he is lying blatantly, that means just that; namely, that the McCann's must at some point during his investigation been considered possible suspects.

On that understanding, SY must hold information contradicting the notion that the McCanns are involved. Or, they must hold no positive evidence suggesting their involvement.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 12:11:27 AM


But to suggest that a couple from Rothley have the government and  SY eating off their plate - far too far fetched.   
Conspiracy adepts might suggest this, but there is none on this forum, SH.
The fact you have to contemplate is that many authorities from finance, politics, sport, show business etc.. have engaged their credibility in this case. For nothing in the world they'd accept they were cheated.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 12:15:52 AM
DCI Redwood announced on the same programme that he and his officers had taken the investigation 'back to zero' and were 'assuming nothing'.

Unless he is lying blatantly, that means just that; namely, that the McCann's must at some point during his investigation been considered possible suspects.

On that understanding, SY must hold information contradicting the notion that the McCanns are involved. Or, they must hold no positive evidence suggesting their involvement.

It's not just any case is it, SH. The pressure on those officers is immense, and if the press gets a whiff of the parents not actually not being suspects it could be 2007/8 pandemonium again.

I can quite understand the Met not wanting to risk that. It's a case that could ruin careers, as it did in Portugal of course. The London police know that.

(All just my opinions of course, but we all do sometimes forget just how high-profile a case this is I think).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on December 29, 2013, 12:18:03 AM
Not only the word but the concept.
SY was asked to review the case in order to find a little girl, likely alive since no evidence of harm nor corpse had been found.
How could they possibly achieve that investigating her parents ?
Instead of trying and examining what could and what couldn't have happened to her, they reviewed looking for an abductor who would lead them to Madeleine.
As they had been ordered to.

You have absolutely no idea what  sy have been asked to do
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 12:18:32 AM
DCI Redwood announced on the same programme that he and his officers had taken the investigation 'back to zero' and were 'assuming nothing'.

Unless he is lying blatantly, that means just that; namely, that the McCann's must at some point during his investigation been considered possible suspects.

On that understanding, SY must hold information contradicting the notion that the McCanns are involved. Or, they must hold no positive evidence suggesting their involvement.
SY was imposed the likely ever lasting way, the abduction. Why would they risk the short cut (death in the flat) ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 12:20:08 AM
You have absolutely no idea what  sy have been asked to do
Sorry but I have. there was a public speech and even protest from some lord.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 12:21:12 AM
I'm using the word cover up to take the thing to its logical extremity.

The PM may have made his loyalties clear, yes, and SY may be emphasising that the McCanns are not part of their investigation.

But that does not mean that either the government or SY have been pressurised or intimidated into those positions because of anything to do with the McCanns. Or any one else.

Though perhaps for another, altogether more powerful person or organisation, Cameron and SY would tow a line. Perhaps.

But to suggest that a couple from Rothley have the government and  SY eating off their plate - far too far fetched.   

It's not just them. They have their lawyers and a big supporting media lobby. And the PM.

But I'd think the lawyers are most important.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 12:24:11 AM
It's not just any case is it, SH. The pressure on those officers is immense, and if the press gets a whiff of the parents not actually not being suspects it could be 2007/8 pandemonium again.

I can quite understand the Met not wanting to risk that. It's a case that could ruin careers, as it did in Portugal of course. The London police know that.

(All just my opinions of course, but we all do sometimes forget just how high-profile a case this is I think).

I see your point, Lyall. Pressure is a big factor here. But the way I see it is that that pressure, and the spotlight SY and Cameron are under, actually make it less likely that they would take a risk in investigating the matter according to agendas, rather than according to investigative principles.

The consequences of adjusting their investigations and policies to fit the McCanns (or whomever they are trying to please) could backfire horribly against them. Worth the risk?

And if the investigation would be sacrificed to these agendas, whatever they were, then by definition it would not be being conducted properly - and there would be less chance of getting to the bottom of things. Another thing that does not make sense, taking into account the pressure here for the case to be solved.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 12:27:41 AM
It's not just them. They have their lawyers and a big supporting media lobby. And the PM.

But I'd think the lawyers are most important.

Why are the lawyers so important? Carter- Ruck instill fear and trembling in Downing Street and Scotland Yard?



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on December 29, 2013, 12:34:36 AM
Sorry but I have. there was a public speech and even protest from some lord.

You have misunderstood....unless you can post a link
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 12:38:05 AM
Conspiracy adepts might suggest this, but there is none on this forum, SH.
The fact you have to contemplate is that many authorities from finance, politics, sport, show business etc.. have engaged their credibility in this case. For nothing in the world they'd accept they were cheated.

I'm thinking about this point, Anne. Busy now but will get back to you soon!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on December 29, 2013, 12:43:19 AM
Has SY, having spent millions, conducted a proper police interview with the most important witness of all?
A witness who has never given her account of the last check in a proper police interview.
The interview on 4th May was conducted in clear violation of proper procedure.
And in the interview on 7th Sept the witness correctly exercised right of silence as advised by lawyer.
Let me stress I think that was correct in the circumstances and I believe the witness is completely innocent.
Has SY spent millions without even taking the obvious first step of doing this one properly conducted interview for the very first time?
Maybe they have and we would not know?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 12:43:52 AM
Why are the lawyers so important? Carter- Ruck instill fear and trembling in Downing Street and Scotland Yard?

And Kingsley Napley (McBride and Caplan). I do think people are wary of them, yes.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on December 29, 2013, 12:52:00 AM
I'm using the word cover up to take the thing to its logical extremity.

The PM may have made his loyalties clear, yes, and SY may be emphasising that the McCanns are not part of their investigation.

But that does not mean that either the government or SY have been pressurised or intimidated into those positions because of anything to do with the McCanns. Or any one else.

Though perhaps for another, altogether more powerful person or organisation, Cameron and SY would tow a line. Perhaps.

But to suggest that a couple from Rothley have the government and  SY eating off their plate - far too far fetched.   
Exactly.  Perhaps another, altogether more powerful person or organisation is affecting the investigation.  Perhaps something globally important has to be hidden/ protected.   

Maybe SY have to produce "belt and braces" proofs in order to stand a chance against such people? ... in addition to some clever diplomatic work?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on December 29, 2013, 12:57:17 AM
And Kingsley Napley (McBride and Caplan). I do think people are wary of them, yes.
We ordinary people are, Yes

But not mega global organisations.  Some Organisations have their own high flying team of Lawyers.  Some are even adept at changing the scene and "facts" by manipulations that we could never dream of.  They would not be in fear of the likes of Carter Ruck.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 12:58:02 AM

The interview on 4th May was conducted in clear violation of proper procedure.

Why ? Because the McCanns obtained a favour that not many polices on the planet would have granted ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 12:58:26 AM
I see your point, Lyall. Pressure is a big factor here. But the way I see it is that that pressure, and the spotlight SY and Cameron are under, actually make it less likely that they would take a risk in investigating the matter according to agendas, rather than according to investigative principles.

The consequences of adjusting their investigations and policies to fit the McCanns (or whomever they are trying to please) could backfire horribly against them. Worth the risk?

And if the investigation would be sacrificed to these agendas, whatever they were, then by definition it would not be being conducted properly - and there would be less chance of getting to the bottom of things. Another thing that does not make sense, taking into account the pressure here for the case to be solved.

I think they can be confident, SH, that few if any will ever ask them to explain what they have done and why, and we have no freedom of information laws to assist members of the public or press to find out. That just doesn't happen in this country does it.

They have apparently used the same system they used in the Dando investigation more or less and they never explained why and where that investigation went wrong (campaigners for Barry George were convinced many suspects were never investigated at all). They had a review of that investigation and never explained what that showed either. They just don't have to in England do they.

There's no transparency at all unless Parliament requests it, and they rarely do.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 12:59:20 AM
And Kingsley Napley (McBride and Caplan). I do think people are wary of them, yes.

But what's the long term gain? SY and Cameron are pressurised into taking a particular course of action.

Then something in the investigation changes / is discovered, and the whole thing backfires. It is discovered that the government and SY have been acting improperly.

All for the sake of pacifying some canny lawyers?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 01:04:39 AM
I think they can be confident, SH, that few if any will ever ask them to explain what they have done and why, and we have no freedom of information laws to assist members of the public or press to find out. That just doesn't happen in this country does it.

They have apparently used the same system they used in the Dando investigation more or less and they never explained why and where that investigation went wrong (campaigners for Barry George were convinced many suspects were never investigated at all). They had a review of that investigation and never explained what that showed either. They just don't have to in England do they.

There's no transparency at all unless Parliament requests it, and they rarely do.
But there's a new phenomenon that they'll have to take into account : Internet forums and social networks.
See at the bottom how Nietzsche previewed it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 01:08:55 AM
But what's the long term gain? SY and Cameron are pressurised into taking a particular course of action.

Then something in the investigation changes / is discovered, and the whole thing backfires. It is discovered that the government and SY have been acting improperly.

All for the sake of pacifying some canny lawyers?

Ah I never said anyone was acting improperly. They're just acting cautiously as far as I can see, and not very urgently (it was 30 months before they said the 9.15 sighting was no longer being considered vital. 30 months?)

We'll see what transpires, SH, but Crimewatch I think confirmed our cynicism.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 01:11:43 AM
But there's a new phenomenon that they'll have to take into account : Internet forums and social networks.
See at the bottom how Nietzsche previewed it.

>@@(*&) I can't see Nietzsche being a fan of the internet, Anne.

This forum maybe, but facebook? 8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 01:13:24 AM

 facebook? 8)--))
?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 01:18:56 AM
?{)(**

Thus Tweeted Zarathustra @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 01:25:20 AM
not very urgently (it was 30 months before they said the 9.15 sighting was no longer being considered vital. 30 months?)
They foresee that time heavily builds indifference.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 01:27:38 AM
I think they can be confident, SH, that few if any will ever ask them to explain what they have done and why, and we have no freedom of information laws to assist members of the public or press to find out. That just doesn't happen in this country does it.

They have apparently used the same system they used in the Dando investigation more or less and they never explained why and where that investigation went wrong (campaigners for Barry George were convinced many suspects were never investigated at all). They had a review of that investigation and never explained what that showed either. They just don't have to in England do they.

There's no transparency at all unless Parliament requests it, and they rarely do.

I am sure this could be right, Lyall. I am still young (-ish) and innocent (according to certain definitions) and find it hard to believe that the government and SY are going to dance to other people's tunes. Ultimately we don't know what is going on behind closed doors and should remember the fact.

SY fell short with the Dando case, certainly, though the Madeleine case is much, much bigger. It has been vastly more expensive and still has no discernible end in sight. A different era, somewhat, than the Dando  - time flies - with more public awareness and involvement, and a greater demand from the public for accountability perhaps?

You mention confidence, but how confident can any organisation be, in today's world, that what they would rather keep hidden will never be revealed?

A much too risky strategy that would only be embarked upon for reasons of far greater proportions than protecting the interests of one couple.

If this investigation, or the Madeleine case as a whole, involves individuals or matters of state - which it may do - of profound consequence;  if it is a powder keg under which a Profumo-like element rests, one could see the need for government fear and trembling, and for damage -limitation at all costs.

But to dance to the McCanns' tune for no real reason at all?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 01:31:13 AM
Thus Tweeted Zarathustra @)(++(*

It's no joke!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 01:33:45 AM
Thus Tweeted Zarathustra @)(++(*
We often contradict an opinion for no other reason than that we do not like the tone in which it is expressed.
less than 120
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 01:35:47 AM
Ah I never said anyone was acting improperly. They're just acting cautiously as far as I can see, and not very urgently (it was 30 months before they said the 9.15 sighting was no longer being considered vital. 30 months?)

We'll see what transpires, SH, but Crimewatch I think confirmed our cynicism.

Didn't it just confirm that SY don't appear - according to what they have chosen to reveal to us - to have made an enormous amount of progress?

Surely if they were bowing to pressure and trying to please people, they would be coming up with something a little more impressive than the admission that they still appear to have no idea what happened.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 01:51:33 AM
Didn't it just confirm that SY don't appear - according to what they have chosen to reveal to us - to have made an enormous amount of progress?

Surely if they were bowing to pressure and trying to please people, they would be coming up with something a little more impressive than the admission that they still appear to have no idea what happened.

They can't invent things can they, they can only hold up their hands and spin what little they do have (hugely aided by the press of course).

But Crimewatch was more PR than appeal for information, with the usual story of how nice a holiday it had been and the 'reconstruction' etc. - plus prerecorded interviews (one of which was changed between trailer and transmission). So Redwood did take part in a mainly reputation management exercise in my view.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 01:54:51 AM
We often contradict an opinion for no other reason than that we do not like the tone in which it is expressed.
less than 120

Ok, he'd like Twitter ?{)(** He'd enjoy having followers definitely, but who would Nietzsche follow? Nobody, I'd bet. 8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 01:57:19 AM
They can't invent things can they, they can only hold up their hands and spin what little they do have (hugely aided by the press of course).

But Crimewatch was more PR than appeal for information, with the usual story of how nice a holiday it had been and the 'reconstruction' etc. - plus prerecorded interviews (one of which was changed between trailer and transmission). So Redwood did take part in a mainly reputation management exercise in my view.

Yes agreed, it was PR more than information.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 02:03:10 AM
Ok, he'd like Twitter ?{)(** He'd enjoy having followers definitely, but who would Nietzsche follow? Nobody, I'd bet. 8)--))
Lou von Salome, Peter Gast, Paul Deussen..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 02:17:06 AM
I am sure this could be right, Lyall. I am still young (-ish) and innocent (according to certain definitions) and find it hard to believe that the government and SY are going to dance to other people's tunes. Ultimately we don't know what is going on behind closed doors and should remember the fact.

SY fell short with the Dando case, certainly, though the Madeleine case is much, much bigger. It has been vastly more expensive and still has no discernible end in sight. A different era, somewhat, than the Dando  - time flies - with more public awareness and involvement, and a greater demand from the public for accountability perhaps?

You mention confidence, but how confident can any organisation be, in today's world, that what they would rather keep hidden will never be revealed?

A much too risky strategy that would only be embarked upon for reasons of far greater proportions than protecting the interests of one couple.

If this investigation, or the Madeleine case as a whole, involves individuals or matters of state - which it may do - of profound consequence;  if it is a powder keg under which a Profumo-like element rests, one could see the need for government fear and trembling, and for damage -limitation at all costs.

But to dance to the McCanns' tune for no real reason at all?

I think Anne's post at 12:05 is how they have approached it. They'll be well aware of all the theories but Campbell's system is based on gathering all the evidence and prioritising it. It's not based on following particular theories but on identifying matches between bits of evidence. I think.

But if that approach doesn't come up with anything, what then?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 02:23:28 AM
Conspiracy adepts might suggest this, but there is none on this forum, SH.
The fact you have to contemplate is that many authorities from finance, politics, sport, show business etc.. have engaged their credibility in this case. For nothing in the world they'd accept they were cheated.

I have thought about this and I agree fully.

The best way of SY proving their worth in this case is not by performing party tricks, but to find a solution as to what happened to Madeleine.

Too much bowing down for the sake of pleasing people would hinder the investigation, and cause SY to be portrayed in a bad light. No incentive for them to do this.

So it's not a contradiction to note the fact that they are under pressure, and at the same time say that their interest lies in investigating according to honest principles.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 02:29:59 AM
Lou von Salome, Peter Gast, Paul Deussen..

8((()*/ You're a Nietzsche expert, Anne?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 02:38:17 AM
I think Anne's post at 12:05 is how they have approached it. They'll be well aware of all the theories but Campbell's system is based on gathering all the evidence and prioritising it. It's not based on following particular theories but on identifying matches between bits of evidence. I think.

But if that approach doesn't come up with anything, what then?

Anne at 12:05 is pragmatic as ever. I am too theoretical and idealistic.

I understand your explanation regarding gathering evidence not according to theory but rather by matching things up. But that doesn't contradict the notion that the McCanns must have been considered possible suspects by SY in some sense, because not following a particular theory entails leaving all possibilities on the table.

Or does it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 02:40:42 AM
8((()*/ You're a Nietzsche expert, Anne?
I'm not, but I observe that he's the one who occupies the largest space on my bookshelves..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 03:02:57 AM
Anne at 12:05 is pragmatic as ever. I am too theoretical and idealistic.

I understand your explanation regarding gathering evidence not according to theory but rather by matching things up. But that doesn't contradict the notion that the McCanns must have been considered possible suspects by SY in some sense, because not following a particular theory entails leaving all possibilities on the table.

Or does it?

I don't think anyone knows, SH. All will be revealed one day I expect. Maybe 8)-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 03:06:32 AM
I'm not, but I observe that he's the one who occupies the largest space on my bookshelves..

James Joyce on mine, though I can't honestly say I've read all of it 8()-000(

Many times I've told the old joke about Ulysses: "Great preface!" 8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 03:15:04 AM
the McCanns must have been considered possible suspects by SY in some sense, because not following a particular theory entails leaving all possibilities on the table.

Or does it?
The thought is likely at the back of their minds, but they take good care to have it under control, applying a sort of "vade retro satanas".
The focus has left Madeleine long ago for her parents' benefit. But it isn't on them any more. A statement that they did this or that or didn't wouldn't be sufficient. What is expected is true speech, speech that would say something about them and provide a basis for fair justice.
The focus now is on SY.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on December 29, 2013, 06:26:31 AM
If Amaral had seen fit to visit the crime scene maybe we would have more facts,  he didn't interview the parents, didn't visit the crime scene, heard everything second hand. He could even  be classed as an armchair detective like the rest of us.

He is a co-ordinator.

All the big cheese police detectives even the UK, sit in their office and go through all the stuff the detectives under them gathers.

Its not CIS or any other T.V. series its true life.

Everything goes through him to be looked at and discussed and put in piles of importance etc.

He did go in the field anyway, perhaps you might not know about it, but he did even to the detriment of his marriage.

Its all there if you want to read about it.

At the start of this you have to remember it was simply thought it was a child who had wandered off.

There are NO abductions in PDL a quiet village its full of ex pats and children living there are considered safe.

A lot of the ground work had been done BEFORE the PJ were brought in.

Mr Amaral was there to co-ordinate the investigation not to go looking into into bins.

There was a HUGE amount of stuff gathered boxes and boxes of it. Can you imagine having to co-ordinate all of it. It was made even worse because of the appeals by the parents allowing so many nut jobs to say they had seen the child even in australia. EVERY sighting had to be checked. Jeez cant imagine it.

There was so much stuff gathered it took SY 2 years to go through it all to find ANYTHING the PJ may have missed.

So far what have they come up with?

Tannerman which was discounted already.

and......................................>????

oh and an appeal on CW of dodgy Efits already known about, aka Smiths already know about and about 3,000 more bogus phone calls to trawl through.......and its cost us lot in the UK what over 2 million ....... which could have been spent on helping the disabled in this country from freezing or going hungry............
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on December 29, 2013, 08:00:01 AM
He is a co-ordinator.

All the big cheese police detectives even the UK, sit in their office and go through all the stuff the detectives under them gathers.

Its not CIS or any other T.V. series its true life.

Everything goes through him to be looked at and discussed and put in piles of importance etc.

He did go in the field anyway, perhaps you might not know about it, but he did even to the detriment of his marriage.

Its all there if you want to read about it.

At the start of this you have to remember it was simply thought it was a child who had wandered off.

There are NO abductions in PDL a quiet village its full of ex pats and children living there are considered safe.

A lot of the ground work had been done BEFORE the PJ were brought in.

Mr Amaral was there to co-ordinate the investigation not to go looking into into bins.

There was a HUGE amount of stuff gathered boxes and boxes of it. Can you imagine having to co-ordinate all of it. It was made even worse because of the appeals by the parents allowing so many nut jobs to say they had seen the child even in australia. EVERY sighting had to be checked. Jeez cant imagine it.

There was so much stuff gathered it took SY 2 years to go through it all to find ANYTHING the PJ may have missed.

So far what have they come up with?

Tannerman which was discounted already.

and......................................>????

oh and an appeal on CW of dodgy Efits already known about, aka Smiths already know about and about 3,000 more bogus phone calls to trawl through.......and its cost us lot in the UK what over 2 million ....... which could have been spent on helping the disabled in this country from freezing or going hungry............

Nicely put.

 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on December 29, 2013, 08:46:48 AM
DCI Redwood announced on the same programme that he and his officers had taken the investigation 'back to zero' and were 'assuming nothing'.

Unless he is lying blatantly, that means just that; namely, that the McCann's must at some point during his investigation been considered possible suspects.

On that understanding, SY must hold information contradicting the notion that the McCanns are involved. Or, they must hold no positive evidence suggesting their involvement.

Totally agree SH.    It's quite obvious that the first task undertaken by SY would be to thoroughly investigate the McCanns and their friends to the Nth degree - to see if there could be the slightest chance that Amaral's claims were credible  - and also to establish whether the McCanns and the group were credible witnesses.

SY have far more information about the case and the people involved in it than we do - and also have the experience, the expertise and extensive investigatory powers that we don't have.   

Pretending that we can possibly know as much about the case as they do is ridiculous.  To go even further and claim that we know better than they do is even more ridiculous imo.

Then there is that very large elephant in the room  i.e.   - Would the McCanns have constantly pressed for the case to be re-opened and re-investigated if they were guilty?     Not a chance  - as that makes no sense at all to any reasonable person imo.



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on December 29, 2013, 11:35:13 AM
Oh ok. Well its terrible leaving children is never acceptable.

That is precisely the point and no matter what the mccanns and their backers say, they can't overcome that,

and what did they say on the first crimewatch about their parenting skills weren't in question........................
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 29, 2013, 11:48:30 AM
That is precisely the point and no matter what the mccanns and their backers say, they can't overcome that,

and what did they say on the first crimewatch about their parenting skills weren't in question........................

I have absolutely no concerns over the McCanns parental ability, post May 3rd 2007 that is.

Personally I don't think the children were really at risk of 'abduction' because the apartment was locked with all shutters closed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on December 29, 2013, 05:43:00 PM

Eta forgive me....gerry did tell us in an interview less than three weeks later that he had thousands of letters sayng they had done the same or would do the same, oops....

Which in itself shows how dangerous it all is, and how much clarity that it is not OK is needed
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 05:47:49 PM
A polite reminder to all that the terms 'pro' and 'anti' are best avoided.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on December 29, 2013, 05:51:44 PM
A polite reminder to all that the terms 'pro' and 'anti' are best avoided.

Thank you, SH.  A shame people can't take that on board without a moderator having to be involved.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 29, 2013, 05:51:49 PM
yes we have had it before so why do posters still make the ridiculous claim that the McCanns should prove their innocence..

Stop obfuscating.....the discussion was about what the PPs report said and what his words were in terms of prove demonstrate etc etc etc......not what posters say think wish claim etc, rolley eyes

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on December 29, 2013, 05:54:52 PM
Stop obfuscating.....the discussion was about what the PPs report said and what his words were in terms of prove demonstrate etc etc etc......not what posters say think wish claim etc, rolley eyes

 you obviously haven't kept up with the discussion... I was responding directly to a post by anne that contained the word proved
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on December 29, 2013, 05:55:43 PM
Many..many parents have done this...what Gerry is saying is true. What the abduction of Maddie has done means that a lot less people will do it now

And even fewer would do it if the McCanns admitted it was the wrong thing to do instead of making excuse - IMO
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on December 29, 2013, 06:05:12 PM
Only a personal opinion...the actual law is vague

But government and NSPCC guidelines are not vague
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 29, 2013, 06:05:23 PM
Ah. misunderstood   8(8-))

No worries

 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 06:24:46 PM
Previous posts deleted for irrelevance to topic.

Please stick to topic and avoid personal insults.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 03, 2014, 11:04:17 PM
Sorry I have not answered to you yet. I am reading this breaking news:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 03, 2014, 11:16:47 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html



Ok then

SY not doing a running commentary then.....but someone is.....and that someone is talking balldecocks...oh well roll on jan 7 th


 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 03, 2014, 11:28:27 PM
Thanks Heriberto.
Might merit a new thread?
Seems you, me, and SY are on similar tracks.
But IMO there is no way burglars would take a child.
They didn't take that baby in the news article
IMO a would-be burglary, disturbed before entry, is what caused exit to another room and indirectly caused what followed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 03, 2014, 11:37:04 PM
And even fewer would do it if the McCanns admitted it was the wrong thing to do instead of making excuse - IMO
Perhaps you were deaf to them CPN.  I have heard them say they made a mistake several times now and they regretted it.

Do you want them to keep on saying the same thing?  Seems like rubbing salt into a wound to me.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 03, 2014, 11:39:44 PM
Sorry I have not answered to you yet. I am reading this breaking news:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html)
Well done Heri 8@??)(

Something tells me that you knew all about this before ... maybe helped a little on the way? ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 03, 2014, 11:41:41 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html



Ok then

SY not doing a running commentary then.....but someone is.....and that someone is talking balldecocks...oh well roll on jan 7 th


 8((()*/

hmm,  this claim comes not from the police ,  but from  'an  informed    source' 

...  that would be Clarence Mitchell then,  would it  ? 

At this point,  I   have the feeling that no-one in the McCann camp is being kept 'informed'  of very much at all 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 03, 2014, 11:47:37 PM
hmm,  this claim comes not from the police ,  but from  'an  informed    source' 

...  that would be Clarence Mitchell then,  would it  ? 

At this point,  I   have the feeling that no-one in the McCann camp is being kept 'informed'  of very much at all

I noticed an unamed detective branded the Portuguese investigation a disgrace.

Is that something they are likely to say when trying to form a joint investigation team?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 03, 2014, 11:48:00 PM
Perhaps you were deaf to them CPN.  I have heard them say they made a mistake several times now and they regretted it.

Do you want them to keep on saying the same thing?  Seems like rubbing salt into a wound to me.

Cite?


Dont exist
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on January 03, 2014, 11:52:04 PM
Perhaps you were deaf to them CPN.  I have heard them say they made a mistake several times now and they regretted it.

Do you want them to keep on saying the same thing?  Seems like rubbing salt into a wound to me.

I have never heard the McCanns say they were wrong to leave the children alone, just say they regret not being there when she was taken.  And, indeed, in the intro to the CrimeWatch programme Kate McCann said they had done nothing wrong
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 03, 2014, 11:58:10 PM
I have never heard the McCanns say they were wrong to leave the children alone, just say they regret not being there when she was taken.  And, indeed, in the intro to the CrimeWatch programme Kate McCann said they had done nothing wrong

Indeed cpn they are both on record as saying they are sorry they were not there at the moment maddie was taken wtf

Apart from myipad suddenly deciding i need a split keyboard without my knowledge both bizzare nite
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 04, 2014, 12:08:33 AM
Indeed cpn they are both on record as saying they are sorry they were not there at the moment maddie was taken wtf

The McCanns have used the strangest language  since the very begining,  in an attempt,  I believe,  to avoid using  the obvious, straightforward,   and truthful language  that they, perhaps,   feel  might reflect badly on them

With regard to the point you raise,  they use the nonsensical phrase,   "We regret we were not there at the moment Madeleine was taken",   as a way of avoiding the much more  lucid and honest phrase  ...  "We regret leaving her alone"

They temper their behaviour by expressing regret for what they did not  do  ...  rather than  what they  did  do
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 04, 2014, 12:16:38 AM
The McCanns have used the strangest language  since the very begining,  in an attempt,  I believe,  to avoid using  the obvious, straightforward,   and truthful language  that they, perhaps,   feel  might reflect badly on them

With regard to the point you raise,  they use the nonsensical phrase,   "We regret we were not there at the moment Madeleine was taken",   as a way of avoiding the much more  lucid and honest phrase  ...  "We regret leaving her alone"

They temper their behaviour by expressing regret for what they did not  do  ...  rather than  what they  did  do

Its still a shit statement.,, almost as shit as apple forcing me ona split keyboard with no warnng..nite
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 04, 2014, 12:19:31 AM
DAILYMAIL: "Suspects made an 'unusually high' number of calls hours after Maddie was reported missing"
.
IMO these three men are probably 3 locals who were out searching all night.
Who made lots of phonecalls to each other while searching different parts of town.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 04, 2014, 12:22:47 AM
hmm,  this claim comes not from the police ,  but from  'an  informed    source' 

...  that would be Clarence Mitchell then,  would it  ? 

At this point,  I   have the feeling that no-one in the McCann camp is being kept 'informed'  of very much at all

Looks like this informed source sure is desperate to push the burglary theory...I wonder why?    If ever there was a case for legislation controlling the Press it is now.  There are a few decent honest journalists around but I am afraid they are outnumber by the chancers who are only out to make a quick buck.  It does appear that the Press can print just about anything with impunity.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 04, 2014, 12:23:04 AM
Indeed, the Press are rehashing old news and that is exactly what the Daily Mail are promoting tonight. They must think people are stupid, its not as Redwood and his team are going to tell them anything which they can plaster all over the place.  The Press have a lot to answer for in this case and it isn't getting any better.  The crap which these newspaper are publishing is astonishing, one has to wonder who is promoting it and why?

The papers are getting this nonsense from somewhere,  for sure

Who,  might we guess,  is feeding them  ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 04, 2014, 12:25:57 AM
Looks like this informed source sure is desperate to push the burglary theory...I wonder why?

An attempt to distract from the imminent libel trial outcome  perhaps  ? 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 12:27:49 AM
DAILYMAIL: "Suspects made an 'unusually high' number of calls hours after Maddie was reported missing"
.
IMO these three men are probably 3 locals who were out searching all night.
Who made lots of phonecalls to each other while searching different parts of town.

Indeed.

Surely the whole town would have been abuzz with news and discussion of her disappearance.

Seems that there were far more calls in general made shortly after her disappearance than before (see table on Heriberto's blog for example).

Same goes for Murat calling what's his name. Nothing at all odd about friends or neighbours discussing the case. Would be odd, in a small town, if they didn't.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 04, 2014, 12:35:04 AM
Indeed.

Surely the whole town would have been abuzz with news and discussion of her disappearance.

Seems that there were far more calls in general made shortly after her disappearance than before (see table on Heriberto's blog for example).

Same goes for Murat calling what's his name. Nothing at all odd about friends or neighbours discussing the case. Would be odd, in a small town, if they didn't.

I don't think a forensic investigation of telephone data can, or should,  be minimised

It was months ago that Scotland Yard first alluded to the importance of phone records and I suspect that is what they have been working on relentlessy for several months

...  it may be where the answers lie
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 04, 2014, 12:41:02 AM
Perhaps you were deaf to them CPN.  I have heard them say they made a mistake several times now and they regretted it.

Do you want them to keep on saying the same thing?  Seems like rubbing salt into a wound to me.

No, but it would be nice to hear them state in simple language once in a while that they were at fault 
Instead, all we get are excuses and platitudes to the effect that they did nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 12:48:31 AM
I don't think a forensic investigation of telephone data can, or should,  be minimised

It was months ago that Scotland Yard first alluded to the importance of phone records and I suspect that is what they have been working on relentlessy for several months

...  it may be where the answers lie

Nice to be 'talking' with you again, icabod.

Absolutely, the triangulation and so on is of great importance. I didn't mean to trivialise it.

What I meant was, with reference to the article to which pegasus alludes, that it's just like any other piece or type of evidence: simply abstract information until corroborated against something else.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 04, 2014, 12:53:31 AM
The Mail says
"the burglars may have panicked after they woke Madeleine up by mistake and decided to take her away with them"

Sorry but burglars are not that stupid.
A burglar disturbed by a child will flee WITHOUT harming or taking the child.

An example is given in the Mail article - elsewhere in Praia da Luz a burglar is disturbed by a baby and does NOT take the baby.

But try this: a would-be thief thinks everyone is out (and yes that is how it looked isn't it?). Opens window and shutter from outside. Hears/sees awoken person inside. Flees, never entering, taking nothing. So there you have the first room solved. It explains the puzzle of the apparantly purposelessly open window and shutter, it explains the enigmas that no-one entered, and that no possesions were taken, and most important it explains exit to another room which no other theory comes near explaining.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 04, 2014, 12:54:51 AM
Nice to be 'talking' with you again, icabod.

Absolutely, the triangulation and so on is of great importance. I didn't mean to trivialise it.

What I meant was, with reference to the article to which pegasus alludes, that it's just like any other piece or type of evidence: simply abstract information until corroborated against something else.

oh I agree  ...  the article linked is meaningless flotsam floated for unknown reasons by an unknown  'informed source' 

The  actual  police investigation into telephone data  (  which we will  not  see in the tabloids )  is quite a different kettle of fish
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 04, 2014, 01:05:52 AM
Wasn't it UK who provided phone analysts in the early investigation?
Going by memory, no source, anyone else have one?
I know all PDL mast to PDL mast calls were analyzed for two short periods that night - those lists in the files.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 04, 2014, 01:21:15 AM
Wasn't it UK who provided phone analysts in the early investigation?
Going by memory, no source, anyone else have one?
I know all PDL mast to PDL mast calls were analyzed for two short periods that night - those lists in the files.

I'm sorry,  I  don't know pegasus

I recall,   though, that the Portuguese police wanted to use the McCanns'  telephone data in their case but were prevented from doing so by a Portuguese Judge  (  privacy laws  ?  )

Would Scotland Yard be free from such restrictiions,  I wonder   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 01:29:30 AM
Are we to assume from the fact that presumably the mobiles in question were on contract that the three suspect burglars are Portuguese?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 04, 2014, 01:41:49 AM
Are we to assume from the fact that presumably the mobiles in question were on contract that the three suspect burgla rs are Portuguese?

I don't think we can assume or presume anything from this Daily Mail article

The claim about  'suspect burglars'  is made by an anonymous  'informed'  source  (  Clarence Mitchell  ?  )

Where the police   are quoted there is nothing to suggest the telephone data they are investigating is related to   'burglars'   at all   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 04, 2014, 01:51:07 AM
It was the Met who provided the phone experts in May 2007.
 Guardian 1st June 2007..

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 04, 2014, 02:02:03 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/jun/01/ukcrime.madeleinemccann
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 02:22:30 AM
I don't think we can assume or presume anything from this Daily Mail article

The claim about  'suspect burglars'  is made by an anonymous  'informed'  source  (  Clarence Mitchell  ?  )

Where the police   are quoted there is nothing to suggest the telephone data they are investigating is related to   'burglars'   at all

One Portuguese and two not British, so it says.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 04, 2014, 05:43:45 AM
I don't believe it's taken them so long to analyse the phone masts data.. What can be so complicated about this?

Just give it to a computer programmer and he'd pick up the nearest calls, the most used numbers, the people who came in to the town and later left.. all sorts of info..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 04, 2014, 06:30:36 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html



Ok then

SY not doing a running commentary then.....but someone is.....and that someone is talking balldecocks...oh well roll on jan 7 th


 8((()*/

A GANG...3 people lol...

Eamonn Holmes asked a RESIDENT and a guy in the know about any burglaries in the area and he stated he didnt know of ANY not loads anyway........

A GANG would mean lots of burglaries going on and surely would have been noted. One would think.

It was the quiet season too, so why would a GANG be working at the beginning of the season when there was small pickings.

Its a huge jump from taking away a passport or two, to taking away a 4 year old child...who surely would have screamed blue murder if THREE strange men tried to take her away.

IF they had got into the apartment why wouldnt they also snatch the passports etc.....

All this mobile phone malarky proves nothing.

Surely in this day and age after 7 years you would know who was where....and if they were a gang they would have pay as you go lol without GPS.

The Mail is one of those papers I ignore. Didnt they push tractor man as being the suspect.

Now here is odd. In the same article it says SY is not looking at TRACTORMAN, yet he was a known thief, according to all the media.

I cant imagine the child being taken out of the flat quietly no way......

PDL is supposed to be a quiet village, the way you read it, well you wouldnt want to stay there, full of PEDOPHILES, BURGLARS, AND ANYTHING else you would like to throw at them poor citizens.....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 04, 2014, 07:01:39 AM
'The gang' was made of three people.. one Portuguese and two other nationalities? I bet 'the two' were of some Eastern European origin..
Why would they take the child? The only 'why' that comes to my mind is if the child knows one of them.. i.e. if it was a resort worker whom she saw on regular basis.
But would they kill a child for this reason? What state of mind one needs to be in to kill a child. so she doesn't tell!
The second reason for taking her would be to sell her.. for that the thieves would have to have the buyer ready.. Would they at this point have a ready buyer waiting for a blond child.. I don't think so!
The third reason would be to abuse her.. then in this scenario we would need to have the thieves who are at the same time child abusers.. and all three of them? this would be a very rare situation!

The longer I think about this, and I am a long standing pro.. I have a feeling there is a UK connection to this case.. and that this was all organised before they even left for Portugal..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 04, 2014, 07:19:17 AM
'The gang' was made of three people.. one Portuguese and two other nationalities? I bet 'the two' were of some Eastern European origin..
Why would they take the child? The only 'why' that comes to my mind is if the child knows one of them.. i.e. if it was a resort worker whom she saw on regular basis.
But would they kill a child for this reason? What state of mind one needs to be in to kill a child. so she doesn't tell!
The second reason for taking her would be to sell her.. for that the thieves would have to have the buyer ready.. Would they at this point have a ready buyer waiting for a blond child.. I don't think so!
The third reason would be to abuse her.. then in this scenario we would need to have the thieves who are at the same time child abusers.. and all three of them? this would be a very rare situation!

The longer I think about this, and I am a long standing pro.. I have a feeling there is a UK connection to this case.. and that this was all organised before they even left for Portugal..

Perhaps not so far fetched.

You know its odd I have lived ALL over the world, been to many holiday locations and never once got burglarised in my hotel or apartment. I know of a couple of people who got pick pocketed but in the main MOST places we stayed had a safe for valuables.

We are talking about a small town PDL. BEFORE all this who ha, it was a known place to visit, was even on the programme Home in the Sun....it looked lovely, quiet and friendly, and was known for being safe and child friendly. The perfect place to buy an apartment or villa.

Now like I have said we are expected to believe that it is actually like Cornwall used to be in the olden times, full of pirates, thieves and rogues lol...jeez who would want to go live there, who would want to BUY a house there.

If I had a home there and was struggling to sell it with all this negative news about the place I think i might be seeking a lawyer for compensation from holiday makers, who have allowed all this to happen in the first place.

By their selfish act of leaving their children on their own every night, and one child been taken away, they have changed PDL into a village which is full of gypsies after your blonde kids, thieves, pedophiles and all other creepy and horrible people. All because of the cost of a BABYSITTER.

I wonder if I would win a case?

LUDICROUS isnt it, but sadly its FACT, not fiction.

This one missing child has caused much heartache for many families...who have touched it even slightly.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 04, 2014, 08:27:32 AM
Perhaps not so far fetched.

You know its odd I have lived ALL over the world, been to many holiday locations and never once got burglarised in my hotel or apartment. I know of a couple of people who got pick pocketed but in the main MOST places we stayed had a safe for valuables.

We are talking about a small town PDL. BEFORE all this who ha, it was a known place to visit, was even on the programme Home in the Sun....it looked lovely, quiet and friendly, and was known for being safe and child friendly. The perfect place to buy an apartment or villa.

Now like I have said we are expected to believe that it is actually like Cornwall used to be in the olden times, full of pirates, thieves and rogues lol...jeez who would want to go live there, who would want to BUY a house there.

If I had a home there and was struggling to sell it with all this negative news about the place I think i might be seeking a lawyer for compensation from holiday makers, who have allowed all this to happen in the first place.

By their selfish act of leaving their children on their own every night, and one child been taken away, they have changed PDL into a village which is full of gypsies after your blonde kids, thieves, pedophiles and all other creepy and horrible people. All because of the cost of a BABYSITTER.

I wonder if I would win a case?

LUDICROUS isnt it, but sadly its FACT, not fiction.

This one missing child has caused much heartache for many families...who have touched it even slightly.

Well, I believe in a fate.. I think even the babysitter wouldn't help if it was destined to happen.

The burglaries are the fact. All due to the problems in economies all around Europe. I know of several people who got mugged in Spain, around the same time. Gypsies are also a fact, not only in PDL but everywhere..
The opening up of the Europe to ex Russian etc countries and without the proper EUROPEAN police cooperation is crime of its own.. a heaven for all kind of dodgy characters..
The EU wanted to copy US, but the US has a strong united police force.. something EU doesn't have..
So, at the time Madeleine disappeared the EU borders were open, she could have been in Estonia in matter of a day. with no border controls and same time no united policing..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 04, 2014, 10:28:42 AM
I have never heard the McCanns say they were wrong to leave the children alone, just say they regret not being there when she was taken.  And, indeed, in the intro to the CrimeWatch programme Kate McCann said they had done nothing wrong

They didn't do anything wrong.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on January 04, 2014, 10:34:12 AM
They didn't do anything wrong.

To your mind.  To my mind they did.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on January 04, 2014, 10:35:31 AM
They didn't do anything wrong.

 Agreed...why do some people have such a fixation with this?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 04, 2014, 10:45:59 AM
Agreed...why do some people have such a fixation with this?

Because this is all that they have left with which to bash The McCanns.  But it is still only a matter of opinion.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on January 04, 2014, 11:14:41 AM
To your mind.  To my mind they did.
 
The McCanns have admitted it was their fault the abductor was given the opportunity to take their daughter.
They have admitted they were not there for her.
They have admitted they let her down.
They have said their guilt over their actions will stay with them forever.

I'm at a loss to understand why you so resolutely appear to want to ignore those facts and want to continue to paint them as totally unrepentent and failing to admit any responsibility or fault.   Even you must see that simply is not the case.

IMO You obviously disagree totally with the Baby Listening Service which the McCanns mirrored   Have you not thought it would be a more productive use of your time to try to get that service declared illegal?   The McCanns can't do that for you - no matter how long you spend villifying them on forums. 


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 04, 2014, 11:19:00 AM
 
The McCanns have admitted it was their fault the abductor was given the opportunity to take their daughter.
They have admitted they were not there for her.
They have admitted they let her down.
They have said their guilt over their actions will stay with them forever.

I'm at a loss to understand why you so resolutely appear to want to ignore those facts and want to continue to paint them as totally unrepentent and failing to admit any responsibility or fault.   Even you must see that simply is not the case.

IMO You obviously disagree totally with the Baby Listening Service which the McCanns mirrored   Have you not thought it would be a more productive use of your time to try to get that service declared illegal?  The McCanns can't do that for you - no matter how long you spend villifying them on forums.

Surely they could if they so wished. They clearly have the ear of many influential people, including senior politicians who could make it happen.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 04, 2014, 11:28:52 AM
Breaking News: Two new main suspects in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have gone missing. A detective working on the case commented, "It was bad enough having one missing person but now we have three. These two suspects hold all the answers to this case and they must be found." Reports say a pack of sniffer dogs were last seen chasing the two suspects but they managed to flee in a getaway car with the boot still open. The detective confirmed the sighting, "Yes we know it was them because in their escape they dropped a pink toy which the dogs reacted to and it had a strange foul smell of sea-bass!" (Cadaverine Daily)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on January 04, 2014, 12:03:13 PM
Surely they could if they so wished. They clearly have the ear of many influential people, including senior politicians who could make it happen.

Ahh the 'friends in high places' claim.   Sorry but a total myth as far as I am concerned.

There is nothing to stop anyone lobbying their MP, or starting a campaign or getting up a petition to have the service made illegal if they feel so strongly about it - whereas  bashing the McCanns wont make a scrap of difference to anything IMO.   

OOps I think we're wandering off topic- so won't post again. 

 

 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 04, 2014, 12:54:10 PM
Breaking News: Two new main suspects in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have gone missing. A detective working on the case commented, "It was bad enough having one missing person but now we have three. These two suspects hold all the answers to this case and they must be found." Reports say a pack of sniffer dogs were last seen chasing the two suspects but they managed to flee in a getaway car with the boot still open. The detective confirmed the sighting, "Yes we know it was them because in their escape they dropped a pink toy which the dogs reacted to and it had a strange foul smell of sea-bass!" (Cadaverine Daily)

It must have been the smell of those damn sardines  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 04, 2014, 01:30:42 PM
I see the Daily Mail is running a new story about the McCann investigation  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html

None of the information is attributed to Redwood or his team, so may be the same sort of guff usually pedaled by the Express.
Few of the comments seem supportive of the McCanns.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on January 04, 2014, 01:55:55 PM
I see the Daily Mail is running a new story about the McCann investigation  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html

None of the information is attributed to Redwood or his team, so may be the same sort of guff usually pedaled by the Express.
Few of the comments seem supportive of the McCanns.

just read the first 12 comments...not one critical of the McCanns
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on January 04, 2014, 02:01:47 PM
Berbs51 Chesire, Cheshire, United Kingdom, 10 hours ago
This is the latest comment



I find this such a very sad case, your grieving for a child all the time not knowing what has happened to her, it's been the same for Ben Needhams mum years and years of torture. These people who write things like clutching at straws and other negative things, I would clutch at anything to find out what happened to my child. Just be grateful it wasn't your child that was taken


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It has 3689 green arrows and 284 red in 10 hours

Arrows aren't moderated so this shows overwhelming support for the McCanns
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 04, 2014, 02:01:53 PM
so they are, but I believe there are  more than 155.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 04, 2014, 02:08:01 PM
Well, I believe in a fate.. I think even the babysitter wouldn't help if it was destined to happen.

The burglaries are the fact. All due to the problems in economies all around Europe. I know of several people who got mugged in Spain, around the same time. Gypsies are also a fact, not only in PDL but everywhere..
The opening up of the Europe to ex Russian etc countries and without the proper EUROPEAN police cooperation is crime of its own.. a heaven for all kind of dodgy characters..
The EU wanted to copy US, but the US has a strong united police force.. something EU doesn't have..
So, at the time Madeleine disappeared the EU borders were open, she could have been in Estonia in matter of a day. with no border controls and same time no united policing..

What you write is totally spot on.  I saw it for myself when in Spain.  The Russian Mafia controlled just about every bit of serious crime at that time and the authorities were almost powerless to stop it.  It was well known at the time that every prison along the road from Russia to Iberia was full of Russian criminals and probably still is.  It was the same with the Poles and the Romanians but to a lesser extent as they tended to be the petty criminals with many bringing their own sisters down to Spain to work as prostitutes on the pretence that they were being educated.  Charming people!

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 04, 2014, 02:16:52 PM
just read the first 12 comments...not one critical of the McCanns

Indeed.  Comforting to see.  I don't bother to comment myself these days.

PS.  Have The Red Arrow Brigade arrived yet?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on January 04, 2014, 02:19:12 PM
Indeed.  Comforting to see.  I don't bother to comment myself these days.

PS.  Have The Red Arrow Brigade arrived yet?

 They have but are outnumbered 15 to 1 by the green arrows...seems the support for the MccAnns is strong
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on January 04, 2014, 02:54:07 PM
 
The McCanns have admitted it was their fault the abductor was given the opportunity to take their daughter.
They have admitted they were not there for her.
They have admitted they let her down.
They have said their guilt over their actions will stay with them forever.

I'm at a loss to understand why you so resolutely appear to want to ignore those facts and want to continue to paint them as totally unrepentent and failing to admit any responsibility or fault.   Even you must see that simply is not the case.

IMO You obviously disagree totally with the Baby Listening Service which the McCanns mirrored   Have you not thought it would be a more productive use of your time to try to get that service declared illegal?   The McCanns can't do that for you - no matter how long you spend villifying them on forums.

"I'm at a loss to understand why you so resolutely appear to want to ignore those facts and want to continue to paint them as totally unrepentent and failing to admit any responsibility or fault. "  Because they have not acknowledged that leaving three under fours alone in the first place was wrong - indeed Kate said recently "we did nothing wrong".   As John has said, "it would be nice to hear them state in simple language once in a while that they were at fault. Instead, all we get are excuses and platitudes to the effect that they did nothing wrong."

Re the baby listening service - I have already made it clear that I do not know the present attitude of Social Services towards this, so there is no point in constantly addressing the same question to me.  As I and others have also already said, there is a difference from the situation the McCanns were in, in that hotels, or those I have recently stayed in, are usually self-contained buildings with a reception etc, not independent flats open to the street.

As to how I spend my time, I will determine that for myself, and trying to avoid the abuse, including neglect of children comes first for me - children left alone in unprotected situations, including hotel rooms if that is the case, comes under all that.  Nor do I "vilify" the McCanns - if anything I vilify their actions and indeed the actions of any parents which puts their children at risk.   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 04, 2014, 03:18:03 PM
just read the first 12 comments...not one critical of the McCanns

The comments are edited,so  many don't appear.

As to the article, why doesn't it mention there is nae evidence of abduction ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 04, 2014, 03:21:47 PM
The comments are edited,so  many don't appear.

As to the article, why doesn't it mention there is nae evidence of abduction ?

No need - most thinking people have got that message by now.  8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 04, 2014, 03:23:05 PM
No need - most thinking people have got that message by now.  8(0(*

Indeed. 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on January 04, 2014, 03:31:07 PM
The comments are edited,so  many don't appear.

As to the article, why doesn't it mention there is nae evidence of abduction ?

 im aware that comments are moderated..i was responding to this piece of disinformation from Jassi...

None of the information is attributed to Redwood or his team, so may be the same sort of guff usually pedaled by the Express.
Few of the comments seem supportive of the McCanns.


 The arrows are not moderated and they are supportive of the McCanns
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 04, 2014, 03:34:43 PM
The comments are edited,so  many don't appear.

As to the article, why doesn't it mention there is nae evidence of abduction ?

Of course they are censored.  The Press is unfit to regulate itself.  Like this story most of what they print is either half truths or downright lies.  This spokesperson with all this inside information must be a busy guy.   @)(++(*

The arrows relate to the comments, nothing more.   All the negative and critical ones are whooshed.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 04, 2014, 03:35:01 PM
im aware that comments are moderated..i was responding to this piece of disinformation from Jassi...

None of the information is attributed to Redwood or his team, so may be the same sort of guff usually pedaled by the Express.
Few of the comments seem supportive of the McCanns.


 The arrows are not moderated and they are supportive of the McCanns


Now if these same people were acquainted with the true facts of what the Mccanns singularly failed to do, what then ?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on January 04, 2014, 03:36:25 PM

Now if these same people were acquainted with the true facts of what the Mccanns singularly failed to do, what then ?

 perhaps if you were acquainted with the true facts..what then
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 04, 2014, 03:36:42 PM
Of course they are censored.  The Press is unfit to regulate itself.  Like this story most of what they print is either half truths or downright lies.  This spokesperson with all this inside information must be a busy guy.   @)(++(*

I'm well aware of that John, that is why the comments pages there have no value at all, either for or against the Mccanns.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on January 04, 2014, 03:37:44 PM
What you write is totally spot on.  I saw it for myself when in Spain.  The Russian Mafia controlled just about every bit of serious crime at that time and the authorities were almost powerless to stop it.  It was well known at the time that every prison along the road from Russia to Iberia was full of Russian criminals and probably still is.  It was the same with the Poles and the Romanians but to a lesser extent as they tended to be the petty criminals with many bringing their own sisters down to Spain to work as prostitutes on the pretence that they were being educated.  Charming people!

Why wouldn't such gangs nudge over the border to operate in Portugal?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 04, 2014, 03:43:04 PM
Why wouldn't such gangs nudge over the border to operate in Portugal?

Most make for Marbella and surrounds but we know there were Russians in Praia da Luz in 2007 as one in particular was interviewed by the PJ due to his connections with Robert Murat.  He attracted such bad sentiment that he had his car fire-bombed a short time after Madeleine disappeared.  Coincidentally, his mother was a cleaner at the Ocean Club Garden where the tapas 9 stayed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 04, 2014, 03:46:33 PM
Most make for Marbella and surrounds but we know there were Russians in Praia da Luz in 2007 as one had his car fire bombed after Madeleine disappeared.

Are you suggesting that Malenka is part of some criminal gang?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 04, 2014, 03:49:45 PM
Are you suggesting that Malenka is part of some criminal gang?

I suggest you Google him.  Hint...  he has several aliases.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 04, 2014, 03:50:14 PM
im aware that comments are moderated..i was responding to this piece of disinformation from Jassi...

None of the information is attributed to Redwood or his team, so may be the same sort of guff usually pedaled by the Express.
Few of the comments seem supportive of the McCanns.


 The arrows are not moderated and they are supportive of the McCanns

It is not disinformation, though I accept that the comments are not really about the McCanns, but rather  SY's pursuit of a gang of burglars.
There is no attribution regarding the source of this information - unless you can show  one.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on January 04, 2014, 04:08:50 PM
It is not disinformation, though I accept that the comments are not really about the McCanns, but rather  SY's pursuit of a gang of burglars.
There is no attribution regarding the source of this information - unless you can show  one.

  your comment was extremely misleading which I think you have admitted
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on January 04, 2014, 05:31:27 PM
I suggest you Google him.  Hint...  he has several aliases.


From what I remember of that musical chair thread, aliases were not proven.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 06:58:01 PM
Ahh the 'friends in high places' claim.   Sorry but a total myth as far as I am concerned.

There is nothing to stop anyone lobbying their MP, or starting a campaign or getting up a petition to have the service made illegal if they feel so strongly about it - whereas  bashing the McCanns wont make a scrap of difference to anything IMO.   

OOps I think we're wandering off topic- so won't post again.

This claim always fascinated me as well, Benice. (Why is it off topic? We are talking about how things are presented in the news).

What evidence is there that the McCanns ever moved in elite circles? Both have educated themselves to a high level, but come essentially from very ordinary families. This is one of the things they have in common as a couple.

Their influential associates only appeared in their lives because of the disappearance of their daughter.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 04, 2014, 07:02:35 PM
This claim always fascinated me as well, Benice. (Why is it off topic? We are talking about how things are presented in the news).

What evidence is there that the McCanns ever moved in elite circles? Both have educated themselves to a high level, but come essentially from very ordinary families. This is one of the things they have in common as a couple.

Their influential associates only appeared in their lives because of the disappearance of their daughter.

Did I say otherwise ? I was, of course, referring to Mr Cameron and Mrs May when talking about those who could change things.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 07:42:34 PM
Did I say otherwise ? I was, of course, referring to Mr Cameron and Mrs May when talking about those who could change things.

Yes, thanks for the clarification, jassi.

I was really referring in general, however - as I think was Benice - to the fact that the McCanns are portrayed in certain quarters as some kind of 'elite' couple who have received help from the government and others where a working class couple would not.

Personally I think this is quite a false portrayal of the situation. Provincial doctors are not 'elite' people for whom  the prime minister is available at the other end of a phone.

The McCanns have achieved a great deal though the quality of persistence but that is something different.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on January 04, 2014, 08:17:25 PM
"I'm at a loss to understand why you so resolutely appear to want to ignore those facts and want to continue to paint them as totally unrepentent and failing to admit any responsibility or fault. "  Because they have not acknowledged that leaving three under fours alone in the first place was wrong - indeed Kate said recently "we did nothing wrong".   As John has said, "it would be nice to hear them state in simple language once in a while that they were at fault. Instead, all we get are excuses and platitudes to the effect that they did nothing wrong."

Re the baby listening service - I have already made it clear that I do not know the present attitude of Social Services towards this, so there is no point in constantly addressing the same question to me.  As I and others have also already said, there is a difference from the situation the McCanns were in, in that hotels, or those I have recently stayed in, are usually self-contained buildings with a reception etc, not independent flats open to the street.

As to how I spend my time, I will determine that for myself, and trying to avoid the abuse, including neglect of children comes first for me - children left alone in unprotected situations, including hotel rooms if that is the case, comes under all that.  Nor do I "vilify" the McCanns - if anything I vilify their actions and indeed the actions of any parents which puts their children at risk.   

IMO their claim that THEY did nothing wrong was said in the context of the abductor being the one who is the criminal  - and not them. They made a human error - it was the abductor who committed an unspeakable crime.     IMO  To hear some people talk - you would think it was the other way round.

For the third (and last) time - I quote below from Kate's book.   If you really see that as proof of their refusal to acknowledge their guilt and that they considered themselves to be faultless  - then please point out where they say that.     IMO They are clearly admitting what happened was because of fault on their part,  and that they were not there for their daughter when they should have been,  and the guilt they now feel because of their actions will never leave them.    It is also recorded elsewhere that they admitted 'We've let her down'.

To claim they have never taken any responsiblity for their part in this tragedy is grossly unfair IMO - and clearly untrue.

Quote
.......however unwittingly we'd given this predator an opportunity.. We had not been there for Madeleine. And, as I've said before and will say again, our guilt over that is a heavv cross we will bear for the rest of our lives.
Page 202
End quote

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on January 04, 2014, 08:19:37 PM
IMO their claim that THEY did nothing wrong was said in the context of the abductor being the one who is the criminal  - and not them. They made a human error - it was the abductor who committed an unspeakable crime.     IMO  To hear some people talk - you would think it was the other way round.

For the third (and last) time - I quote below from Kate's book.   If you really see that as proof of their refusal to acknowledge their guilt and that they considered themselves to be faultless  - then please point out where they say that.     IMO They are clearly admitting what happened was because of fault on their part,  and that they were not there for their daughter when they should have been,  and the guilt they now feel because of their actions will never leave them.    It is also recorded elsewhere that they admitted 'We've let her down'.

To claim they have never taken any responsiblity for their part in this tragedy is grossly unfair IMO - and clearly untrue.

Quote
.......however unwittingly we'd given this predator an opportunity.. We had not been there for Madeleine. And, as I've said before and will say again, our guilt over that is a heavv cross we will bear for the rest of our lives.
Page 202
End quote

 yes but they aren't doing it every day and everytime they appear on tv
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 04, 2014, 08:21:58 PM
IMO their claim that THEY did nothing wrong was said in the context of the abductor being the one who is the criminal  - and not them. They made a human error - it was the abductor who committed an unspeakable crime.     IMO  To hear some people talk - you would think it was the other way round.

For the third (and last) time - I quote below from Kate's book.   If you really see that as proof of their refusal to acknowledge their guilt and that they considered themselves to be faultless  - then please point out where they say that.     IMO They are clearly admitting what happened was because of fault on their part,  and that they were not there for their daughter when they should have been,  and the guilt they now feel because of their actions will never leave them.    It is also recorded elsewhere that they admitted 'We've let her down'.

To claim they have never taken any responsiblity for their part in this tragedy is grossly unfair IMO - and clearly untrue.

Quote
.......however unwittingly we'd given this predator an opportunity.. We had not been there for Madeleine. And, as I've said before and will say again, our guilt over that is a heavv cross we will bear for the rest of our lives.
Page 202
End quote



IMO their claim that THEY did nothing wrong was said in the context of the non existant abductor being the one who is the criminal  - and not them. They made a human error - it was they & not a fairytale abductor who committed an unspeakable crime.   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on January 04, 2014, 08:24:40 PM
yes but they aren't doing it every day and everytime they appear on tv

Quite - and wearing hair shirts while they do it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on January 04, 2014, 08:43:11 PM
IMO their claim that THEY did nothing wrong was said in the context of the abductor being the one who is the criminal  - and not them. They made a human error - it was the abductor who committed an unspeakable crime.     IMO  To hear some people talk - you would think it was the other way round.

For the third (and last) time - I quote below from Kate's book.   If you really see that as proof of their refusal to acknowledge their guilt and that they considered themselves to be faultless  - then please point out where they say that.     IMO They are clearly admitting what happened was because of fault on their part,  and that they were not there for their daughter when they should have been,  and the guilt they now feel because of their actions will never leave them.    It is also recorded elsewhere that they admitted 'We've let her down'.

To claim they have never taken any responsiblity for their part in this tragedy is grossly unfair IMO - and clearly untrue.

Quote
.......however unwittingly we'd given this predator an opportunity.. We had not been there for Madeleine. And, as I've said before and will say again, our guilt over that is a heavv cross we will bear for the rest of our lives.
Page 202
End quote

I also am not going to answer this again because I have said it so many times; it is boring for others, and to be honest, also boring for me.

I have heard them say they feel guilty for not being there when Madeleine was taken; I have not heard them say that leaving the children alone in the first place was wrong.  These are different.  I have felt bad when I was not there, at times for my son - I am sorry I was not there when another boy decided to hit him at school.  But I was not meant to be there - he was at school, it was the school's responsibility.  It was the McCann's responsibility to be there for their children when they were so young.  If they had been there in the first place any "predator" would not have had an opportunity (if matters happened as we are led to believe)

For the third and last time, any abductor, if he/she existed was obviously in the wrong.  However, as far as I am concerned, the parents were in the wrong to leave such young children out of sight and hearing in the first place (and not a mistake, a deliberate choice, night after night, even when they knew the children had been upset).  It is possible for them both to be in the wrong.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on January 04, 2014, 09:08:45 PM
Being wrong about your childcare arrangements does not give a dirty scumbag the right to enter a property where your children are sleeping and remove one.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 04, 2014, 09:09:12 PM
Was the Daily Mail given an exclusive on this story?
Do PR firms sometimes give an exclusive on condition that the provided wording ("bungling" etc) is used?

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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on January 04, 2014, 09:39:19 PM
Being wrong about your childcare arrangements does not give a dirty scumbag the right to enter a property where your children are sleeping and remove one.

I did not say it did
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on January 04, 2014, 09:46:08 PM
back on topic....Looks like the pj wont play ball according to the latest daily mail article
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 04, 2014, 09:54:57 PM
What you write is totally spot on.  I saw it for myself when in Spain.  The Russian Mafia controlled just about every bit of serious crime at that time and the authorities were almost powerless to stop it.  It was well known at the time that every prison along the road from Russia to Iberia was full of Russian criminals and probably still is.  It was the same with the Poles and the Romanians but to a lesser extent as they tended to be the petty criminals with many bringing their own sisters down to Spain to work as prostitutes on the pretence that they were being educated.  Charming people!

Yes but why would Russian etc Mafia want Madeleine. No reasons for it. They have many of their own blond girls they can even buy from parents!
It would be only in a case she witnessed something.. like a resort worker she knew doing something.. the others she doesn't know have no reason to take her.. unless their appearance is very noticable and recognisable... like they have big ears, no teeth, one leg etc

Otherwise, taking her with no prior intention would be with no reason.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 04, 2014, 09:58:22 PM
back on topic....Looks like the pj wont play ball according to the latest daily mail article

Ah but is it true? You can't believe everything you read in the papers.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 04, 2014, 10:00:44 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html
"Police believe the thieves, including at least one Portuguese man, had already carried out one raid in the resort of Praia da Luz, disturbing a child. That child’s parents, who had been drinking outside the property, rushed inside to find the intruders had fled. During their bungled investigation Portuguese police attached no significance to the break-in, which came a few days before Madeleine disappeared."

Daily Mail writer SW is calling the PJ bunglers. Why does he claim they are bunglers? Because he claims the PJ attached no significance to this interrupted break-in which occured a few days before Madeleine disappeared
"A few days before" eh? Can we take that as reasonably accurate, and not deliberately misrepresented?
Lets see whether it is the PJ, or the Daily Mail's "informed source", who is a bungler.
Few days my foot! Back soon with the true date of that baby-interrupted break-in.....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 04, 2014, 10:01:53 PM
back on topic....Looks like the pj wont play ball according to the latest daily mail article

Maybe Tony Parsons is leading the negotiations >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 10:02:33 PM
Yes but why would Russian etc Mafia want Madeleine. No reasons for it. They have many of their own blond girls they can even buy from parents!
It would be only in a case she witnessed something.. like a resort worker she knew doing something.. the others she doesn't know have no reason to take her.. unless their appearance is very noticable and recognisable... like they have big ears, no teeth, one leg etc

Otherwise, taking her with no prior intention would be with no reason.

They have their own blonde girls, but couldn't they be stealing for someone else?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 04, 2014, 10:05:17 PM
Maybe Tony Parsons is leading the negotiations >@@(*&)


 @)(++(*


or someone like him, shudder
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on January 04, 2014, 10:05:30 PM
Ah but is it true? You can't believe everything you read in the papers.

probably much of it isn't...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 04, 2014, 10:23:26 PM
They have their own blonde girls, but couldn't they be stealing for someone else?

Yes but that would be planned. This new article claims police is focusing on an unplanned event!
IMO this could happen only if Madeleine knew on of three people they are suspecting.. and could tell she saw this person.. This is what I am pointing out.. Otherwise it makes no sense to take a child along.. What for?
Not all three were child abusers and same time thieves.. this would be a bit unusual!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 04, 2014, 10:30:00 PM
Yes but that would be planned. This new article claims police is focusing on an unplanned event!
IMO this could happen only if Madeleine knew on of three people they are suspecting.. and could tell she saw this person.. This is what I am pointing out.. Otherwise it makes no sense to take a child along.. What for?
Not all three were child abusers and same time thieves.. this would be a bit unusual!

Not all three were child abusers? You suggesting one was and Maddie could identify them?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 10:38:07 PM
Yes but that would be planned. This new article claims police is focusing on an unplanned event!
IMO this could happen only if Madeleine knew on of three people they are suspecting.. and could tell she saw this person.. This is what I am pointing out.. Otherwise it makes no sense to take a child along.. What for?
Not all three were child abusers and same time thieves.. this would be a bit unusual!

Well the idea is that it's an unplanned event, but that's a bit difficult to believe.

As you say, why would a burglar also steal  - and possibly kill - a child.

I'm not even sure Madeleine recognising a burglar from the complex would be sufficient to motivate someone to remove her. What would make them imagine that a 3-4 year old would be able to give a sufficiently accurate report of persons or events as to incriminate them?  And why would petty thieves saddle themselves with a child, living or dead, to deal with?

More to the point, if a burglary / attempted  burglary was an inside job, then by definition it would have been known who the occupants of 5A were, and that the burglars would be walking into an apartment with sleeping children. Why would they target 5Aif they were concerned about children raising the alarm or reporting events?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on January 04, 2014, 10:39:48 PM
Well the idea is that it's an unplanned event, but that's a bit difficult to believe.

As you say, why would a burglar also steal  - and possibly kill - a child.

I'm not even sure Madeleine recognising a burglar from the complex would be sufficient to motivate someone to remove her. What would make them imagine that a 3-4 year old would be able to give a sufficiently accurate report of persons or events as to incriminate them?  And why would petty thieves saddle themselves with a child, living or dead, to deal with?

More to the point, if a burglary / attempted  burglary was an inside job, then by definition it would have been known who the occupants of 5A were, and that the burglars would be walking into an apartment with sleeping children. Why would they target 5Aif they were concerned about children raising the alarm or reporting events?

 We don't know what happened...could be an attempt to silence Maddie went too far...we will probably never know
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 10:44:00 PM
We don't know what happened...could be an attempt to silence Maddie went too far...we will probably never know

Possibly but my question is, why would anyone connected with the Ocean Club attempt to burgle 5A that night, knowing, presumably, that the apartment was occupied and that children slept there in the early evening. Why not pick an apartment where there was no-one around at that time to disturb, such as one occupied by a couple with no children, or who had taken their children to the creche?

Choosing an apartment with sleeping children is making their operation unnecessarily complicated and it doesn't make sense considering other options were available.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 04, 2014, 10:46:01 PM
Possibly but my question is, why would anyone connected with the Ocean Club attempt to burgle 5A that night, knowing, presumably, that the apartment was occupied and that children slept there in the early evening. Why not pick an apartment where there was no-one around at that time to disturb, such as one occupied by a couple with no children, or who had taken their children to the creche?

Choosing an apartment with sleeping children is making their operation unnecessaritly complicated and it doesn't make sense considering other options were available.

Good point....and probably lost on lesser brains
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on January 04, 2014, 10:47:41 PM
Good point....

yes good point...lets hope SY can get to the bottom of it if Portugal give them a chance
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 11:02:40 PM
And another thought regarding burglary -

Isn't 9 -10 pm a rather strange time?

Don't most burglaries occur in the dead of night or very early in the morning when people are in deepest sleep and least liable to disturbance? (Or robberies during the day when people are out of the house).

Between 9 and 10pm, most people are at home but not in bed. A strange time to break into a property.

Also a time when there would bea good chance of encountering neighbours and passers by in the street, increasing the chances of being caught. Unlike the dead of night.

Only reason for entering a property between 9 and 10 would be if there was prior knowledge that the residents were not there. In this case, however, the children were in the house and the parents were nearby - and anyone involved with the Ocean Club would have been aware of the fact.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on January 04, 2014, 11:05:23 PM
And another thought regarding burglary -

Isn't 9 -10 pm a rather strange time?

Don't most burglaries occur in the dead of night or very early in the morning when people are in deepest sleep and least liable to disturbance? (Or robberies during the day when people are out of the house).

Between 9 and 10pm, most people are at home but not in bed. A strange time to break into a property.

Also a time when there would bea good chance of encountering neighbours and passers by in the street, increasing the chances of being caught. Unlike the dead of night.

Only reason for entering a property between 9 and 10 would be if there was prior knowledge that the residents were not there. In this case, however, the children were in the house and the parents were nearby - and anyone involved with the Ocean Club would have been aware of the fact.

according to the article there had been attempted burglary the week before at an apartment where children were present...the adults were also present...don't know what time this was
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 04, 2014, 11:11:18 PM
And another thought regarding burglary -

Isn't 9 -10 pm a rather strange time?

Don't most burglaries occur in the dead of night or very early in the morning when people are in deepest sleep and least liable to disturbance? (Or robberies during the day when people are out of the house).

Between 9 and 10pm, most people are at home but not in bed. A strange time to break into a property.

Also a time when there would bea good chance of encountering neighbours and passers by in the street, increasing the chances of being caught. Unlike the dead of night.

Only reason for entering a property between 9 and 10 would be if there was prior knowledge that the residents were not there. In this case, however, the children were in the house and the parents were nearby - and anyone involved with the Ocean Club would have been aware of the fact.

Apparently alot of burglaries happen in holiday villages, where they do,  in the middle of the day when people are out at the beach......in that context the mccanns locked their flat lock stock andbarrel before they went out each day(statements confirm this is what they did) but left it bloody open at night with their two and three yr old kids in there...couldnt make it up
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on January 04, 2014, 11:15:03 PM
Apparently alot of burglaries happen in holiday villages, where they do,  in the middle of the day when people are out at the beach......in that context the mccanns locked their flat lock stock andbarrel before they went out each day(statements confirm this is what they did) but left it bloody open at night with their two and three yr old kids in there...couldnt make it up

 just the front..or is that back...patio door left unlocked and that was visible from where they were eating
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 11:15:58 PM
according to the article there had been attempted burglary the week before at an apartment where children were present...the adults were also present...don't know what time this was

Yes, would be very interesting to know the time.

However a major difference there is that the parents were present. It does look like a classic attempted burglary. Hard to imagine anyone trying to take a child from a small holiday apartment when the parents are present.

In our case, the parents would have been away from the property at the time of the so-called burglary and I think that is highly significant.

Looking at it from the point of view of an abduction scenario, it was the only time of day when the children were on their own. All the other times they were with their parents or with childcare workers.

A 'burglary' at the bizarre time of  9 - 10 o clock at night - when the children just happen to be alone. I don't think so.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Davel on January 04, 2014, 11:17:54 PM
Yes, would be very interesting to know the time.

However a major difference there is that the parents were present. It does look like a classic attempted burglary. Hard to imagine anyone trying to take a child from a small holiday apartment when the parents are present.

In our case, the parents would have been away from the property at the time of the so-called burglary and I think that is highly significant.

Looking at it from the point of view of an abduction scenario, it was the only time of day when the children were on their own. All the other times they were with their parents or with childcare workers.

A 'burglary' at the bizarre time of  9 - 10 o clock at night - when the children just happen to be alone. I don't think so.

 Then lets hope SY can investigate if only to rule it out
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 11:21:20 PM
Then lets hope SY can investigate if only to rule it out

Let's hope so.

Strange the thought that such a scenario could be being peddled by Mitchell or team - if that is the case - when it seems to have little sense.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 04, 2014, 11:21:50 PM
We don't know what happened...could be an attempt to silence Maddie went too far...we will probably never know
No forensic trace of anyone going through the opened window
+ No passports cameras jewellery taken
= Disturbed just before climbing in? IMO.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 11:24:11 PM
No forensic trace of anyone going through the opened window
+ No passports cameras jewellery taken
= Disturbed just before climbing in? IMO.

But not, presumably, by anyone with too much knowledge of the resort...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 04, 2014, 11:25:06 PM
No forensic trace of anyone going through the opened window
+ No passports cameras jewellery taken
= Disturbed just before climbing in? IMO.

And then? What happend?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 04, 2014, 11:32:03 PM
A GANG...3 people lol...

Eamonn Holmes asked a RESIDENT and a guy in the know about any burglaries in the area and he stated he didnt know of ANY not loads anyway........

A GANG would mean lots of burglaries going on and surely would have been noted. One would think.

It was the quiet season too, so why would a GANG be working at the beginning of the season when there was small pickings.

Its a huge jump from taking away a passport or two, to taking away a 4 year old child...who surely would have screamed blue murder if THREE strange men tried to take her away.

IF they had got into the apartment why wouldnt they also snatch the passports etc.....

All this mobile phone malarky proves nothing.

Surely in this day and age after 7 years you would know who was where....and if they were a gang they would have pay as you go lol without GPS.

The Mail is one of those papers I ignore. Didnt they push tractor man as being the suspect.

Now here is odd. In the same article it says SY is not looking at TRACTORMAN, yet he was a known thief, according to all the media.

I cant imagine the child being taken out of the flat quietly no way......

PDL is supposed to be a quiet village, the way you read it, well you wouldnt want to stay there, full of PEDOPHILES, BURGLARS, AND ANYTHING else you would like to throw at them poor citizens.....

Its all rubbish imo too


Wonder if one if this gang had cadaver scent lingering all over him too to spread around  all over 5a while the other two looked for jewels or nicked a toddler! Ludicrous

And according to the daily wail mail sy know who these people are but the portuguese cant hekp em arrest them lol toooo funny
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 11:41:51 PM
A GANG...3 people lol...

Eamonn Holmes asked a RESIDENT and a guy in the know about any burglaries in the area and he stated he didnt know of ANY not loads anyway........

A GANG would mean lots of burglaries going on and surely would have been noted. One would think.

It was the quiet season too, so why would a GANG be working at the beginning of the season when there was small pickings.


Its a huge jump from taking away a passport or two, to taking away a 4 year old child...who surely would have screamed blue murder if THREE strange men tried to take her away.

IF they had got into the apartment why wouldnt they also snatch the passports etc.....

All this mobile phone malarky proves nothing.

Surely in this day and age after 7 years you would know who was where....and if they were a gang they would have pay as you go lol without GPS.

The Mail is one of those papers I ignore. Didnt they push tractor man as being the suspect.

Now here is odd. In the same article it says SY is not looking at TRACTORMAN, yet he was a known thief, according to all the media.

I cant imagine the child being taken out of the flat quietly no way......

PDL is supposed to be a quiet village, the way you read it, well you wouldnt want to stay there, full of PEDOPHILES, BURGLARS, AND ANYTHING else you would like to throw at them poor citizens.....

Who are you referring to with regard to Eammon Holmes, columbo?  Do you mean Paul Luckman?  PL didn't appear to know much about the burglaries, but they definitely took place  (on Madeleine's block , in the few weeks preceding the McCanns' arrival in PdL). SY also mentioned them on Crimewatch.

Presumably it is one of these burglaries that is being alluded to in the recent articles...

or have I got the wrong end of the stick...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on January 04, 2014, 11:44:10 PM
The Daily Mail garbage has reached New Zealand with the Herald carrying the same rubbish story.  Heaven preserve us from journalists.   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 04, 2014, 11:48:07 PM
The Daily Mail garbage has reached New Zealand with the Herald carrying the same rubbish story.  Heaven preserve us from journalists.   @)(++(*

Wont affect mrs pt judge


 8((()*/

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 04, 2014, 11:52:53 PM
Strange how the Mail said on 15 Oct 2013:

"In the same week, a year before she was abducted, a burglar tried to rob another apartment in the Ocean Club resort but fled empty-handed after a toddler screamed"

But now the Mail say on 04 Jan 2014:

Police believe the thieves, including at least one Portuguese man, had already carried out one raid in the resort of Praia da Luz, disturbing a child. That child’s parents, who had been drinking outside the property, rushed inside to find the intruders had fled.
During their bungled investigation Portuguese police attached no significance to the break-in, which came a few days before Madeleine disappeared.

Did the Mail change "a year before" into "a few days before", accidentally, or deliberately ?
If so why?

Sources: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2460514/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-speak-delight-overwhelming-response-Crimewatch-reconstruction.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on January 04, 2014, 11:53:37 PM
A group  of people hanging around would have been seen.  A group of people entering the apartment would have left tracks.  All very well some idiot journalist coming up with this nonsense but none of it works.

In any event, burglars are loners and work in groups of one.  They avoid kids like the plague.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 04, 2014, 11:59:21 PM
Strange how the Mail said on 15 Oct 2013:

"In the same week, a year before she was abducted, a burglar tried to rob another apartment in the Ocean Club resort but fled empty-handed after a toddler screamed"

But now the Mail say on 04 Jan 2014:

Police believe the thieves, including at least one Portuguese man, had already carried out one raid in the resort of Praia da Luz, disturbing a child. That child’s parents, who had been drinking outside the property, rushed inside to find the intruders had fled.
During their bungled investigation Portuguese police attached no significance to the break-in, which came a few days before Madeleine disappeared.

Did the Mail change "a year before" into "a few days before" accidentally, or deliberately ?
If so why?

You can be. safe in the knowledge  that the daily mail as well as a few others dont do responsible journalism....they canwrite what they like.....they make it up as they go along and never ever ever have to link back to their previous crap. Or prove anything..thats why they are despised btw that includes broadsheets too.....writing for a higher echelon makes no diference whatsoever...theyare all made of the same sick cloth...well alot of them, some have true journalism in their blood...sad theres so few of them...the sunday times insight team are rare but to be lauded
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 05, 2014, 12:07:09 AM
A group  of people hanging around would have been seen.  A group of people entering the apartment would have left tracks.  All very well some idiot journalist coming up with this nonsense but none of it works.
In any event, burglars are loners and work in groups of one.  They avoid kids like the plague.
However the  Daily Mail has the ability to clone thieves, turning one burglar into three.
Look at the two quotes in my post above.
The Mail cloned the "one burglar" in its Oct 2013 report to make three "intruders" in its 4 Jan 2014 report.  8)-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 05, 2014, 12:16:06 AM
one burglar a year before
changed to
three burglars a few days before
same journalist same source IMO
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 05, 2014, 12:17:33 AM
Strange how the Mail said on 15 Oct 2013:

"In the same week, a year before she was abducted, a burglar tried to rob another apartment in the Ocean Club resort but fled empty-handed after a toddler screamed"

But now the Mail say on 04 Jan 2014:

Police believe the thieves, including at least one Portuguese man, had already carried out one raid in the resort of Praia da Luz, disturbing a child. That child’s parents, who had been drinking outside the property, rushed inside to find the intruders had fled.
During their bungled investigation Portuguese police attached no significance to the break-in, which came a few days before Madeleine disappeared.

Did the Mail change "a year before" into "a few days before", accidentally, or deliberately ?
If so why?

Sources: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2460514/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-speak-delight-overwhelming-response-Crimewatch-reconstruction.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html

Also a contradiction here, in the first article:

BURGLARS AND CHARITY COLLECTORS
One line of inquiry is that Madeleine may have been snatched after disturbing burglars. In the same week, a year before she was abducted, a burglar tried to rob another apartment in the Ocean Club resort but fled empty-handed after a toddler screamed. In the three months leading up to her disappearance, there was a four-fold increase in ‘low level’ burglaries in the complex.
Seventeen days before she vanished, there was also a burglary and attempted burglary in Ocean Club. Police still believe her disappearance has ‘all the hallmarks of a pre-planned abduction’.


So was it a burglary gone wrong, or a pre-planned abduction?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 05, 2014, 12:20:03 AM
one burglar a year before
changed to
three burglars a few days before
same journalist same source IMO

A bit like all the papers saying antonio cardoso the taxi driver saw madeleine at 8 pm or so on may 3rd 2007 in his taxi....couple years later it all changed to may 4th


 @)(++(*

do they think we are all thick?
cant remember the reason for their about face...was summat to do with maddie being alive the day after......for some reason..if I can be bothered will look tomorrow
but utter scumbuggery
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 05, 2014, 12:26:42 AM
Quote
Seventeen days before she vanished, there was also a burglary and attempted burglary in Ocean Club
Of those two, the attempted one was apartment 5G via window, presumably IMO the window on north side of building.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 05, 2014, 12:27:22 AM
Still don't appreciate why CM would spin this twaddle, though.

'Burglary' has never been on the McCanns' own list of theories
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 05, 2014, 12:28:53 AM
Of those two, the attempted one was apartment 5G via window, presumably IMO the window on north side of building.

Yip, window entry rules out inside job. Sounds like random petty criminal.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 05, 2014, 12:33:17 AM