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Other High Profile Cases and Persons of Interest => The murder of landscape architect Joanna Yeates in Bristol in December 2010. => Topic started by: ...... on April 18, 2017, 11:25:01 AM

Title: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on April 18, 2017, 11:25:01 AM
The CCTV footage in this case has been sparse quite honestly (IMO)

We have been given contradictory statements in regards to this CCTV footage from the trial and media reports..

One of the Massive issues with the CCTV footage is the absence of timestamps and the absence of dates on some of them... Quite frankly I do not understand why???

Why if you have in your possession images of a Killer driving around would these not be fully Dated and Timestamped??

Why in most cases including the "Becky Watts Case" is all of the video presented in court Date and Time Stamped..
But with this case NOT...

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21 February, Asda - Matthews and Hoare go to Asda in Bedminster and buy black bags, rubble sacks, rubber gloves, bleach and three rolls of cling film

Why in The Becky Watts Case can you see the Timestamp moving in the Bottom left hand corner, when they visit Asda in Bedminster... Yet when Dr Vincent Tabak goes to Asda in Bedminster the timestamp is mysteriously missing????



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmZTSzme4ro
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34812317

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Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: Leonora on April 20, 2017, 08:04:14 AM
I don't disagree with your exposure of the degree of tampering with the CCTV video clips at all, Nine. However, these iffy clips played no part in Vincent Tabak's conviction whatsoever, as he himself told the court that he strangled Joanna and dumped her body. The CCTV was mere window dressing.

Apart from VT'is own testimony, the only evidence needed was Greg Reardon's testimony to the strange movements in the flat, the iffy DNA evidence, and the pathologist's account of Joanna's injuries and his opinion about whether she could have been strangled inside 20 seconds or not. Nor were more than two days needed for the trial. All the rest was for show.

Well done for posting the CCTV video clip of Becky Watts's horrible killers buying their DIY body disposal kit, to show us how a "real" murder conviction is carried out! I am sure that this clip played its part in proving to the CPS and to the jury that these dreadful people did what they did to the man's step-sister - whom, of course, he knew well and lusted after. It was SO different from the Jo Yeates case, where the police wilfully ignored evidence that she was killed by someone she knew well, and focused on no fewer than two very improbable men whom she did not know well.

The evidence of CCTV-tampering that bugs you so much proves a conspiracy, and one that is more far-reaching than just the police's public manipulation of a suspect. So the iffy CCTV captions are all very valuable to us sceptics! IMO, however, it is the removal of the chroma component from the Ram pub video clips that is the biggest giveaway of all. It HAD to be done to prevent us from spotting that the blouse Joanna wore was quite a different top from the one found on her body. This suggests that she was killed much later than the court was told.
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: mrswah on April 20, 2017, 08:08:01 AM
The absence of timestamps from the CCTV in ASDA has always been something that made me very suspicious.

CCTV usually shows a timestamp as well as a datestamp, as far as I know.

Why didn't the police or the lawyers question this?  (I have my own ideas as to why, of course).

Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on April 20, 2017, 08:14:03 AM
I'm going to post this here:

I was waiting on a new topic to be approved... seems to be taking a while...

I'll post this hope it's ok.....

The CCTV bothers me.... So many without timestamps... And the only one with a timestamp is the one with Joanna Yeates at Tesco's..

I keep looking at it.... it's wrong ... The frame rate is extremely slow... looks like 5 frames per second... Infact I'm sure it says it on the video...


Video Information

(1):  Self Serve

(2):  17-12-2010  FRI

(3):  20:36:56

(4):  0 .5P

(5):  PLAY


The Information on the Video  is wrong.... It's bugged me for ages...  It look legit... But nobody has really looked at it...
Number (1):   Why does it says Self Serve in such big letters??? The writing is taking away from the video!
Number (4):       0.5P... I think thats the frame rate..

 Number (5):   PLAY... where does it ever say the Word Play on any CCTV video Footage ?? It doesn't!

Which means the word PLAY shouldn't be there..........(IMO)

This Video as far as I can tell is NOT the Original Footage from the Tesco's CCTV....

I have 4 images.....  The First one I've circled the Info..
                              The Second one is unchanged

Now the Third one is an image taken from the Internet of a TimeStamp on a Tesco's CCTV..

The information on that is Completely different... It has The Camera Number which is missing from the Joanna Yeates Tesco one... Its' smaller writing and it's on the top edge of the video.....


The writing on a CCTV camera Video is never as Large as it is on the Joanna Yeates one...that I am aware of..

This Video cannot be the original footage from Tesco (IMO)... So how do we Know that the Time Stamp is correct ??

We don't.... how is this video evidence that Joanna Yeates was in Tesco's at around 20:40pm on Friday 17th December 2010?? 
It can't be if it's not the original Video! (IMO)

The fourth image I have rotated because I believe this looks like the correct way up for the video.... Has this video been changed???  (IMO) It has!

The Date/ Time etc should all be one line of information.... Not done like someone has pressed return on the keyboard to put the Time in the next line...

 Don't know what anyone else thinks..
 Can someone tell what editing suite may have been used??
 I'm sure there are some video experts on here.....

The Third image doesn't says self service... But it Does have the camera Number... This image is also in a Tesco's store...


If you look again at The Joanna Yeats Tesco Image The Information which is Date Time 0.5P... It takes up 3 white tiles on the floors worth of space...  Thats Not right!

 I'll ask the Defences next question:
 What Time was Joanna Yeates In Tesco???? Because Rebecca Scott says she rang Joanna Yeates at 8:30pm and talked for 15 mins... well that's seeming more accurate.. It's this video that doesn't appear to be (IMO)


EDIT:... Could Joanna Yeates Have been in Tesco's Later ?? After she spoke to Rebecca Scott??

Also if you look at image 3... the video seems the correct way up!! So how much manipulating has been done to The Joanna Yeates video?

Changes everything... Think all the CCTV needs looking at!!!
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Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on April 20, 2017, 08:14:40 AM
I don't disagree with your exposure of the degree of tampering with the CCTV video clips at all, Nine. However, these iffy clips played no part in Vincent Tabak's conviction whatsoever, as he himself told the court that he strangled Joanna and dumped her body. The CCTV was mere window dressing.

Apart from VT'is own testimony, the only evidence needed was Greg Reardon's testimony to the strange movements in the flat, the iffy DNA evidence, and the pathologist's account of Joanna's injuries and his opinion about whether she could have been strangled inside 20 seconds or not. Nor were more than two days needed for the trial. All the rest was for show.

Well done for posting the CCTV video clip of Becky Watts's horrible killers buying their DIY body disposal kit, to show us how a "real" murder conviction is carried out! I am sure that this clip played its part in proving to the CPS and to the jury that these dreadful people did what they did to the man's step-sister - whom, of course, he knew well and lusted after. It was SO different from the Jo Yeates case, where the police wilfully ignored evidence that she was killed by someone she knew well, and focused on no fewer than two very improbable men whom she did not know well.

The evidence of CCTV-tampering that bugs you so much proves a conspiracy, and one that is more far-reaching than just the police's public manipulation of a suspect. So the iffy CCTV captions are all very valuable to us sceptics! IMO, however, it is the removal of the chroma component from the Ram pub video clips that is the biggest giveaway of all. It HAD to be done to prevent us from spotting that the blouse Joanna wore was quite a different top from the one found on her body. This suggests that she was killed much later than the court was told.

We already have Dr Delaney description of her Flower Patterned Pink Top Leonora, when she clearly is wearing a plain top at the Ram!

So that evidence in itself should be enough to show the TimeLine has changed and so had here movements...
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: mrswah on April 20, 2017, 08:21:49 AM
For my own interest, I have been comparing the Joanna Yeates case with the Becky Watts case for some time. Both crimes occurred in Bristol and were tried at Bristol Crown Court. Both defendants pleaded guilty to manslaughter, and were subsequently found guilty of murder. That is where the similarities end.

Becky's father wrote a book about the case (his name is Darren Galsworthy, but I cannot remember what the book is called). It was clear, from what he had to say, firstly, that Nathan Matthews did not like Becky (probably, he was jealous of her: his mother was Becky's stepmother, Becky had suffered from anorexia, and had received more attention from her stepmum than Nathan would have liked, IMO). 

Secondly, Nathan had a history of being sexually interested in underage girls. Even his co-defendant, Shauna, was underage at the time they first met. His stepdad was very unhappy about this, and banned these girls from the house until they were sixteen.

Yes, the police interviews with Nathan and Shauna are available on line. The CCTV of them buying rather "incriminating" goods is online too, and has a timestamp as well as a date stamp.

All in all, Nathan Matthews had a motive to kill Becky, and what we see him buying at B&Q (I think!) provides rather good evidence that he had committed the crime.

Vincent Tabak had no motive to kill Joanna Yeates, (at least, as far as we know), and there is nothing suspicious about a man buying beer and crisps in ASDA. 

And, of course, we have never been able to watch his police interviews.
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on April 23, 2017, 04:38:32 PM
The Bags she carries.... Now the one I noticed at bargain booze is a Black bag which looks like it has a skull or a white pattern thing on it.... So I went to see if I could see it on the Waitrose Video or Tesco's video ....


Then we go to Waitrose... Now on the pavement shes carrying her rucksack on her left should ....

 When she goes in Waitrose..... its circled and again one shoulder only with the Ruck sack....         

She walks past the fridge its still on her left shoulder .........                                                       

How does she suddenly have two straps visible from behind as if she has her rucksack on two shoulders.

Then it disappears again and is only on one shoulder.................                                                                         


 







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Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on April 23, 2017, 04:42:47 PM
And when she's in Tesco's her rucksack is on her right shoulder... ..

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Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on April 23, 2017, 09:16:01 PM
Why is it when channel 4 show the video of Joanna Yeates in Tesco it is at a different angle... Then the Avon and somerset one has been turned around???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhCLCAhDQzs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeW_Jwn43g0

Why did they move the cctv about... I said something before about the time stamp etc.....

The Channel a video is a more natural angel ...

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Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: Leonora on April 23, 2017, 09:33:20 PM
The Bags she carries.... Now the one I noticed at bargain booze is a Black bag which looks like it has a skull or a white pattern thing on it.... So I went to see if I could see it on the Waitrose Video or Tesco's video ....

Then we go to Waitrose... Now on the pavement shes carrying her rucksack on her left should ....

 When she goes in Waitrose..... its circled and again one shoulder only with the Ruck sack....         

She walks past the fridge its still on her left shoulder .........                                                       

How does she suddenly have two straps visible from behind as if she has her rucksack on two shoulders.

Then it disappears again and is only on one shoulder.................                                                                         
She could have changed the bags round; but what you are really suggesting is that these video clips were not all captured on the same occasion, aren't you? In that case, the police have been leading us all up Joanna's garden path, in a manner of speaking. Why would they fabricate this evidence, even while she was a missing person?

That would explain the discrepancy with the snow outside Waitrose, and the mystery of the contents of the black bag. The mystery is that there is no mystery - she just didn't carry that black bag on the evening in question. Maybe the pizza was also bought on an earlier occasion, and that is why it was never found?
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on April 23, 2017, 09:48:17 PM
No... I was wondering if she got home.... then went to tescos??

If the channel 4 report is correct.. shes near home when Rebecca Scott rings... Does she drop something off or turn around and then goes to Tescos?

I don't know .... Does she go to meet someone?
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on April 28, 2017, 06:14:55 PM
CCTV without Timestamps:.....

(1): Bargain Booze

(2): The Ram

(3): Waitrose

(4): CCTV of Joanna Yeates near home

(5): Asda

(6): Dr Vincent Tabak on Park Street


CCTV missing altogether:

(1): Clifton Suspension Bridge

(2): CCTV from Canygne Road that showed people and cars up and down all Friday and Saturday

(3): CCTV from A38

(4): CCTV Dr Vincent Tabak at the Railway station

(5): CCTV showing Dr Vincent Tabak sitting on Clifton Downs for 20 mins



Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on May 03, 2017, 06:31:37 PM
From :

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Video Recordings
Video recorded evidence is admissible in evidence in the same way as photographic or audio taped evidence is admissible.

Where the video evidence is obtained by the police and produced to the CPS, it is and it remains the responsibility of the police to ensure that the video evidence has been viewed and that any sensitive or personal information in relation to any person shown therein is edited. Personal or sensitive information includes, but is not limited to names, addresses, dates of birth and any other material that may identify any person shown therein, such as (in the case of CCTV) vehicle registration details of third part vehicles where that information is not relevant to the investigation. The police should take steps to pixilate or otherwise disguise and obscure those details prior to providing discs to the CPS. Where more than one copy of a disc is provided, each copy needs to be checked and edited prior to providing each disc to the CPS.

If the video is destroyed, the court may consider that the loss of the recording requires that the criminal proceedings should be stayed as an abuse of process, but only where the loss is such that it means that the accused will not be able to have a fair trial - see Abuse of Process.

Video recorded evidence may be used in a number of different ways:

As the evidence in chief of a young witness, see Children as Victims and Witnesses
As direct evidence of the events which are captured on the video recording either to set the scene of an incident in general terms or to show what was done by a particular offender.
As a means of putting a context to the evidence of witnesses in the same way as a plan or photographs of the scene would be used. In this case the video recorded evidence is likely to have been taken after the incident that is the subject of the case.
To assist with identification of an offender.

In terms of proving the authenticity of the video recording, the Prosecution must be able to show that the video film produced in evidence is the original video recording or an authentic copy of the original and show that it has not been tampered with. In order to do so statements must be available which produce the video evidence as an exhibit and which cover its continuity and security, unless it is agreed by the Defence that this is not an issue. If the Police retain the original video film then a statement from the person who took the film (together with continuity statements) will be sufficient to produce the video recorded evidence as an exhibit. In respect of evidence obtained from automatic video recording systems e.g. shop security video systems a statement should be obtained from the person responsible for operating the video equipment. The statement should include a description of the system used and explain how it works. If the original film is not available or is not in a playable format then the prosecution must establish that the copy produced is an authentic copy of the original recording and if the original is not available that the police do not have possession of it.


When did the Defence question the validity and the authenticity of the CCTV video recordings??

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In terms of proving the authenticity of the video recording, the Prosecution must be able to show that the video film produced in evidence is the original video recording or an authentic copy of the original and show that it has not been tampered with.

Well (IMO) the Tesco video is not in it's original state and format....

They image has been rotated and the Time Stamp doesn't look original...

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Personal or sensitive information includes, but is not limited to names, addresses, dates of birth and any other material that may identify any person shown therein, such as (in the case of CCTV) vehicle registration details of third part vehicles where that information is not relevant to the investigation. The police should take steps to pixilate or otherwise disguise and obscure those details prior to providing discs to the CPS. Where more than one copy of a disc is provided, each copy needs to be checked and edited prior to providing each disc to the CPS.

Think this was meant for Car Registrations Not Time Stamps!!

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In terms of proving the authenticity of the video recording, the Prosecution must be able to show that the video film produced in evidence is the original video recording or an authentic copy of the original and show that it has not been tampered with. In order to do so statements must be available which produce the video evidence as an exhibit and which cover its continuity and security, unless it is agreed by the Defence that this is not an issue.

So did the Defence decide that the CCTV authenticity wasn't an issue????

These CCTV recordings were paramount to the trial... why would the Defence not want these recordings verified and Time Stamped????




http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/exhibits/
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on May 08, 2017, 11:58:47 AM

I wonder what happened to these two individuals???

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Meanwhile a new, grainy CCTV image emerged of a woman who could be Yeates on the night she disappeared. Two other figures were around 50 metres behind her – but the suggestion by the tabloid newspaper that published the image – taken from a pub CCTV system – that the pair may be suspects is being played down by the police.

are they the people that CJ saw at the gate???

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jan/04/joanna-yeates-police-questions-investigation
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: mrswah on May 08, 2017, 02:00:33 PM
I wonder what happened to these two individuals???

are they the people that CJ saw at the gate???

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jan/04/joanna-yeates-police-questions-investigation

Who knows?
Did the police ever investigate who these people might have been? Could be entirely innocent, of course: they might have been walking behind Joanna, but they were not necessarily following her.

I do wonder whether there was ever any investigation into the identities of whom CJ claimed to see at the gate.
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on May 10, 2017, 09:40:18 AM
I'm sure some of you remember about the CCTV from Waitrose that the Police put up whilst the trial was taking place...

I  commented how it had been pulled because ... you could see what looked like a man in a Black Coat watching Joanna Yeates ...

I had no idea that thhe Police then pulled their website on the case around the same time .......

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10-18-2011 10:30 AM
Quote Originally Posted by Luna15  View Post
Avon and Somerset have pulled the video from their youtube channel....

mmm I wonder why?
Not only that they have pulled the entire investigation off the website too??

http://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk...ryExpired.aspx

I wonder why they removed it before the trial had finished... was it because people had remarked on the Waitrose CCTV??




http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?151762-UK-Joanna-Yeates-25-Clifton-Bristol-17-Dec-2010-15/page12
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on May 10, 2017, 11:31:07 PM


The image I have attached is from the Mirror Newspaper..... It shows what could be two people following Joanna Yeates on Friday 17th December 2010..

The image time stamp is  20:35:17 hours.... These people must be seconds behind her for them to feel that they may have been following her...

How long does it take to walk from the Hopwood House to Canynge Road ?? She apparently stopped to exchange pleasantries with a priest.. So what time would she have arrived home ??

Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on May 10, 2017, 11:42:04 PM
Well I don't think this CCTV footage ever surfaced:...

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The Mirror has also learned a police technical expert made two visits to the Quinton House pub, where Jo is believed to have walked past shortly after making her first stop at a Waitrose store 150 yards away.

The Quinton House pub is at  2 Park Place, Bristol BS8 1JW.....

Why have we not seen anything in relation to this .. if the Police are following her every movement home!!

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One worker, who asked not to be named, said last night: “The police made an initial inquiry about our CCTV the day after Jo was reported missing.

“Then after her body was found a member of the police technical support unit came to collect the CCTV footage three days ago.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-murder-cctv-films-102290

It amazes me daily that I can still find things out!!

Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on May 11, 2017, 11:14:25 AM
Well there more CCTV footage hidden from view.....  Colin Port reveals in the Leveson Inquiry..

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411111: The investigation team reported on the full movements of Ms
Yeates as seen on CCTV from the Ram Public House to the last sighting at
the Hop House CCTV. They commented that a woman and child were visible
behind Ms Yeates on the Cafe Nero footage but by the time she was seen on
the Hop House camera, Ms Yeates was ahead of the adult and child,

Cafe Nero footage ?? That another one that was not shown as far as I am aware ...


Just re reading that.... doesn't make sense ...

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They commented that a woman and child were visible
behind Ms Yeates on the Cafe Nero footage

So the woman and child are behind Joanna Yeates ....

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but by the time she was seen on
the Hop House camera, Ms Yeates was ahead of the adult and child,

So the woman and child are still behind Joanna Yeates .... So who were the woman and child and what had they seen...??? Why make the statement sound like Joanna Yeates had passed the woman and child!!

Following behind Joanna Yeates from the Cafe Nero as to the Hop House...

I'm presuming they mean the Caffe Nero which is on Regent Street...

And the Hophouse is on King's Road ..(If I'm correct)..

So it's a  minutes walk from Caffe Nero to Kings Road and the camera most probably would have given a clearer image of Joanna Yeates..

The Cafe Nero CCTV would have been a more accurate and visible image of Joanna Yeates than the HopHouse Public house CCTV... The  CCTV from Hophouse would have to be pointing down Kings Road  approx 400 feet away....

If this CCTV from caffe Nero had been made available we could see what Joanna Yeates may have been doing.... Maybe she was strolling down the street..  maybe walking at pace... or maybe using her phone...

The only time stamp that is visible is on the Hophouse CCTV... but it's not when Joanna Yeates passes ... but 2 other people whom they believed followed her....

If it only takes seconds to walk past from Caffe Nero to the bottom of King's Road where the Hophouse CCTV captures Joanna Yeates... Why hadn't the Cafe Nero CCTV picked up the same 2 people walking past... and where were the woman and child on this Hopwood house CCTV???


Why were images of Joanna Yeates  passing Cafe Nero Never seen???? I would have thought they would have been of great importance as the Time Stamp on the Caffe Nero Footage would give a more accurate Tim Stamp of Joanna Yeates journey home ...


(Hophouse public house seems to have had a name change)...

Again Colin Port:...

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The press officer was briefed by the Deputy SIO who said that the
CCTV had been viewed and presented no further lines of enquiry aside from
using alongside other corroborating information and CCTV from the area in
helping to get a general idea of her direction of travel, He said that standing
alone, the quality of the Hop House CCTV footage was so poor it would be
extremely difficult to confirm that it was Jo in the picture, We certainly
could not deduce that she was being followed just because two people
walked past a short time after as it is a busy main road,

Quick question:? Who's the Deputy SIO on the case ???? Could that be DC Mark Luther ????

Back to my quote......

Colin Port knows that there was a woman and child behind Joanna Yeates at Cafe Nero.... So why so shy about the 2 people who walked past and were barely visible on the Hophouse CCTV footage....

Now using his powers of deduction he should have been able to assertain that those same 2 individuals who have more than likely been visible from the Cafe Nero CCTV....  Or any CCTV alone that route on Regent street...

Are these 2 indiviuals important??? I don't know.... Are they the 2 indiviuals that CJ saw ??? I don't know....
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He said that standing
alone, the quality of the Hop House CCTV footage was so poor it would be
extremely difficult to confirm that it was Jo in the picture, We certainly
could not deduce that she was being followed just because two people
walked past a short time after as it is a busy main road

Again it sounds reasonable...... But... not sensible.. now that Colin Port has revealed the existence of the Cafe Nero CCTV footage !!!!

They must have been visible on the Cafe Nero CCTV... because why would he need to deny in such a fashion that the couldn't tell by the Hophouse CCTV footage as ..." because it was a busy road...

He should have said ....As they were not in the CCTV footage from Cafe Nero... we deduced that they most probably were NOT following her  by the time they passed the CCTV of the Hophouse !!!

Well if they weren't in the CCTV footage of Cafe Nero... then they probably weren't following her .... So why mention them!!!

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140122145147/http:/www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Witness-Statement-of-Chief-Constable-Colin-Port.pdf
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on May 11, 2017, 12:36:25 PM
Colin Port....

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The CCTV footage from the exterior of the Hop House Public House is
covered in the Daily Mirror on 5 January 2011, The following chronology
demonstrates that this CCTV footage was already an active line of inquiry
and material had already been downloaded and viewed:

So the Police had been to the Hophouse Pub  and down loaded the CCTV footage...

My question is :  Why would they need to go to the Hophouse Pub to remove there entire system if as Colin Port had established the images were not clear.... we can see how grainy they are and it makes it difficult to see whether it is Joanna Yeates walking at the Bottom of Kins's Road or not...

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27/12/10: CCTV recovery time parameters were extended as the body of
Ms Yeates had been found.

Well I thought they had already followed her route home and collected the CCTV footage from various places ....

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22/12/10: CCTV was recovered from a number of premises along Ms
Yeates’ route home. A short time period was prioritised to enable all the
footage of her route to be secured quickly. This proved to be the relevant
evidence in the investigation.

Going back to the Downloaded material from the Hophouse ... if it wasn'y useful why did they then do this ...

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4/1/11: A CCTV technician attended at the Hop House with a new CCTV
loan unit and seized the Hop House unit, A reporter was at the premises
when he attended.

because the downloading had already taken place

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27/12/10: A CCTV technician visited the Hop House to download additional
footage. The manager was not present but it was clear that the brand of
CCTV unit was one with a long retention period and thus footage would not
be lost. A return visit was planned to swap the unit with a loan CCTV unit
when the manager was available, During the week 27-31/12/10 a second
CCTV technician attended once again to carry out the swap as planned but
the premises were closed.

So what addition footage did they download... if Colin Port had stated that they had downloaded evidence and then the above quote suggest they downloaded additional evidence... why did them take some 8 days plus to collect this CCTV unit...

If the Unit had been collected ... it must have had a greater Evidential Value than we believe .... Other wise the downloaded information should have been adequate if it couldn't clearly identify anybody....

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140122145147/http:/www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Witness-Statement-of-Chief-Constable-Colin-Port.pdf



Now it has me questioning.... Did they take the whole units from.....

(A): Tesco's

(B): Asda's

(C): Clifton suspension bridge

(D): Bargain Booze

(E): Waitrose

(F): Caffe Nero

(G): Quinton House Pub

Well I doubt that.... But it makes me question what was on That whole Unit from the Hophouse Pub for them to go back TWICE to this pub to seize it....

When we already know the grainy images where no good...

Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on May 17, 2017, 01:35:33 PM
Because "Colin Port"... had said in The Leveson Inquiry that there had been a Woman and Child following Joanna Yeates on The CCTV Footage of "The Caffe Nero" on Regent Street... I went back to the "Hophouse Pub".. Image...

I have enlarged the imaged which is already circled and it is hard to see but... the person in the image may NOT be Joanna Yeates... And that is why we don't Know the time possibly.... We do NOT Know what TIME "Joanna Yeates passed by the CCTV at "The Cafe Nero" on Regent Street .....

But according to "Colin Port" a woman and child was following her on Regent Street on the "Cafe Nero" CCTV Footage..... I thought I could vaguely make out a pram in front of the person in the "Hophouse Pub Image"... There IS Something in front of the person in the image...

I'm just not 100% sure what it is.....  Nobody looking at the CCTV Footage from The Hophouse Pub is looking for anything other than a "Woman in a White Coat"... and that is exactly what you see... A light coloured Coat..... But What was the "Woman with The Child"... WEARING??

Edit... click on last image... There appears to be something in front of the person in the light coloured coat..!
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on May 17, 2017, 02:12:41 PM
Is the image which is supposed to be Dr Vincent Tabak driving on Park Street him ??

I've attached an image and The number plate you can't see clearly... But the last letter looks like it could be the letter "V"... There seems to be a point at the bottom of the blurred image on the CCTV... Surely there is a clear Image of THAT NUMBER PLATE... It's a Traffic Camera... They must be able to see the Number Plare (IMO)...


Or is the letter "Y" at the end of the blurred number plate...
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on May 17, 2017, 03:25:39 PM

Was re checking the video of Dr Vincent Tabak entering Asda.... and as we are very well aware he entered Asda Twice....


What Times did he enter ASDA??

The video Below that I have linked shows his Shopping at ASDA... and shows him apparently entering and leaving Twice...

Now if the person on the CCTV image is Dr Vincent Tabak... Then did he go home and come back to ASDA????

Because when he first enters ASDA at Bedminster he has a Black looking top on and when he is shopping down the aisles, his top is clearly red!!!

You have a couple of possibilities here...

(1): Dr Vincent Tabak visited Asda on TWO very Different Times ??

(2): Or that isn't Dr Vincent Tabak who they captured in the ASDA CCTV ??

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8818883/Jo-Yeates-trial-Vincent-Tabak-caught-on-CCTV-during-Asda-visit.html


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Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on May 17, 2017, 08:39:01 PM
Another difference I see between the two images in the Asda CCTV.... Is on his first entry into ASDA he looks clean shaven... But on the image with the red top showing , he has what looks like a 3 O'clock shadow...

These images suggest that they are completely different times... or they both are NOT Dr Vincent tabak on the CCTV...

The best way that I find to compare the two images... Is to click on both images have then open at the same time and look at the difference...

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Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on May 22, 2017, 10:51:50 PM
Moree CCTV places to add which were looked at... Or at least Investigated

* Antix... 44 Park Street Bristol... opened till 6:00am

* Berkley Wetherspoons pub, 15- 19 Queens Road Bristol Open till ...

* The Elbow Room   64 Park St, Bristol BS1 5JN.... opened till 2:00am

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Some, including the Berkley Wetherspoons pub, said police had looked at their videos, but not found any images of Jo. One bar manager, who did not want to be named, said: “Police had told us they were going to check all the shops and bars on her route home.

“They want to make sure they get all the pieces of the jigsaw, to try to find out what happened to her.” The All In One bar said officers had also asked them to check through CCTV and ordered managers to get in touch if any stills of Jo came to light.

Police had been in to check videos at Antix bar and The Elbow Room as well as a nearby Sainsbury’s store.

During Jo’s one-mile walk home she stopped at Waitrose, where she bought nothing, and then a Tesco Express.

Now.. If The Police were aware of Joanna Yeates Journey Home.... Why are they checking all these "Late Night Bars" ????

This article s 28th December 2010....... Does this mean that there "WAS".... something in CJ's second witness statement????

If they have coverage of her being in "The Ram" why did they think she went into 2 more Bars minutes apart???

I vaguely remember seeing a post somewhere and i wish I had kept it or remembered where I had seen it... But someone mentioned Joanna yeates going to a "Night club".... i just dismissed it....

Or did she go back out that evening??



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/joanna-yeates-may-have-frozen-to-death-after-271727
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on May 22, 2017, 10:58:51 PM
Re-Cap of  CCTV footage we have heard about or know...

(A): Tesco's

(B): Asda's

(C): Clifton suspension bridge

(D): Bargain Booze

(E): Waitrose

(F): Caffe Nero

(G): Quinton House Pub

(H): Berkley Wetherspoons pub

(I): Antix...

(J): The Elbow Room

(K): The Hophouse Pub
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on May 26, 2017, 08:28:49 PM
Two images we know .... One the Daily Mirror image.. which show's the CCTV time stamp upon it as well as the date....

The other image is "The Tesco's Image... which shows a Large date and time stamp... with the added word Play also visible....

Now i am drawing your attention to these images because... It you look closely at "The Mirror's Image in black and white... In the bottom right hand corner you can see a PAUSE symbol....

Which I believe you should have seen on "The Tesco's CCTV image instead of the word Play.. adding to what I believe as this Time stamp and Date on the Tesco's CCTV image being added when they edited the footage..... (IMO)....

Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on June 14, 2017, 09:41:40 AM
The image that I have attached is of Dr Vincent Tabak driving on "Park Street' where he takes a wrong turn... He is on his way to pick up Tanja from her Christmas party...

We all remember this image as being used by the "Media" to state that Dr Vincent Tabak was driving around with Joanna Yeates Body in his car... those Statements were lies ...

My question has to be .....Where are the CCTV images of Dr Vincent Tabak driving to ASDA in Bedminster ??? There has to be CCTV images of "This" Journey... "The Prosecution" should of had a field day with images of his car "Driving to ASDA in Bedminster".. apparently with Joanna Yeates in the boot of his car !!



Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on June 15, 2017, 08:37:26 AM
"The CCTV" with a visible "Timestamp" is "The Tesco Express" CCTV...  Which in "BOLD" letters gives us...

(A): The Date

(B): The Time

(C): 5p

(D): Play

(E): The Day

(F): Self Service

An Image for all to see what time "Joanna Yeates " was in "Tesco's Express"!!! An image with so much information no-one could be mistaken into thinking anything other than a screen shot of Joanna Yeates ..Visit to "Tesco Express" on 17-12-2010 at 20:37:00 The day being Friday...

I have disputed this video for quite some time now and I believe that all the written information on The CCTV is Added.. I've always believed it now i think i can prove why...


(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HeW_Jwn43g0/hqdefault.jpg)

I was looking on youtube for CCTV images from any Tesco's Store to see where the information would be in relation to the image.... And it then ALL made sense....

"Tesco's" were running a computer Program which captured their CCTV images.... Just like my local store i went into this morning...  I could see it on the local stores CCTV Screen.....

There should be a border surrounding "The Tesco's CCTV" of Joanna Yeates .... But there isn't ... There also should be a "Tab" with the information upon it.... The date and time are seperated by a "Backslash"... The "CCTV" of Joanna Yeates in Tesco's simply has too much information... And (IMO).. clearly has been run through some other program.... Trimming The Frame... so the border doesn't appear and adding the "Information" on to of the Video...


Any Image That I find of a "Tesco's CCTV" from 2009 to 2017.. are all run on a computer type program... with the CCTV Video "Time And Date... displayed in "The Tab... and a border completely surrounding the CCTV image....

So Looking at "The Joanna Yeates Clip..... Can we be certain that she was in "Tesco's" at 8:37pm ???

The only way to know for sure "What Time "Joanna Yeates " was sin "Tesco's" on the 17th December 2010 is to see The Reciept For The Pizza !!!!!!

I have added a couple of links to CCTV so you can see the border and programs they are run from...




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FChQeV18AHc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FufsgHMTRzU


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Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: John on June 27, 2017, 02:10:56 PM
Was re checking the video of Dr Vincent Tabak entering Asda.... and as we are very well aware he entered Asda Twice....


What Times did he enter ASDA??

The video Below that I have linked shows his Shopping at ASDA... and shows him apparently entering and leaving Twice...

Now if the person on the CCTV image is Dr Vincent Tabak... Then did he go home and come back to ASDA????

Because when he first enters ASDA at Bedminster he has a Black looking top on and when he is shopping down the aisles, his top is clearly red!!!

You have a couple of possibilities here...

(1): Dr Vincent Tabak visited Asda on TWO very Different Times ??

(2): Or that isn't Dr Vincent Tabak who they captured in the ASDA CCTV ??

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8818883/Jo-Yeates-trial-Vincent-Tabak-caught-on-CCTV-during-Asda-visit.html

All the images show a red inner garment.  I suppose the isle clip is more distinct as he opened his coat a little more.
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on July 24, 2017, 10:12:26 AM
Another CCTV Footage to add to the list we didn't know about..

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Bristol Zoo has handed over CCTV tapes to detectives from the night Joanna Yeates vanished.


Why were they looking at this footage... who were they hoping to see?? They must have had someone in mind ...

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According to the Mirror, a police source said: 'Bristol Zoo is not on the direct route from her flat to where her body was found, but the footage may prove useful in establishing how the killer reached her flat in the first place.'


 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346836/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Bristol-Zoo-CCTV-footage-used-hunt-murderer.html#ixzz4njr81Fu4
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: mrswah on July 24, 2017, 10:43:17 AM
Another CCTV Footage to add to the list we didn't know about..


Why were they looking at this footage... who were they hoping to see?? They must have had someone in mind ...


 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346836/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Bristol-Zoo-CCTV-footage-used-hunt-murderer.html#ixzz4njr81Fu4


Interesting link:  14th January. If you scroll down, it mentions the 28 day review of the investigation due in a few days from then.  VT was arrested just in time.  Phew!!!!!!!!

As for Bristol Zoo, that was where Glenis Carruthers was found all those years ago. Methinks they were, perhaps, hoping  to solve two murders .  VT wasn't born when Glenis was murdered, but they had someone else out on bail who was, AND who was probably living in the locality in 1974. 

What they didn't have, however, was any evidence against him.
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on July 24, 2017, 10:54:20 AM
Yes... The review keeps cropping up....

Lucky for them they had charged Dr Vincent Tabak on the Saturday 22nd of January 2011 not many days left for the review team to take over...Say what..

Pretty amazing really having no evidence against Dr Vincent Tabak... I wonder who would have reviewed the case??

Yes mrswah... Just in time indeed.... For some maybe... I bet a big sigh of relief filled the building...(IMO)..
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on July 26, 2017, 06:51:43 PM

Something I noticed on The CCTV image of Joanna Yeates at "The Bristol Ram"....  I know they blurred out the time....

But why does the date start with the Year first ????? 2010/12/17 no other CCTV Footage we know of starts with the Year First: ???

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02036/cctv-bristol-ram_2036980i.jpg)
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: Leonora on July 26, 2017, 08:59:35 PM
Something I noticed on The CCTV image of Joanna Yeates at "The Bristol Ram"....  I know they blurred out the time....

But why does the date start with the Year first ????? 2010/12/17 no other CCTV Footage we know of starts with the Year First: ???

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02036/cctv-bristol-ram_2036980i.jpg)
This is a sensible format to use in your computer's naming system if you want it automatically to sort folders and files whose name is also a date in chronological order whenever it sorts them. The technician who tampered with this video, blurred out the original date, and got his/her computer to generate the phoney timestamp, had previuosly selected this date format and didn't much care that it would be viewed by someone as sharp-eyed as you. Is that an "08" as in "08 p.m." I see before me at the bottom left?
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on September 11, 2017, 11:02:25 PM
Who did Joanna Yeates receive a Message from when she is in Waitrose??? 

She is clearly looking at her phone..

I have found a much longer CCTV of her in Waitrose... Her mobile phone is in her hand... And as she is walking through the store she looks down at her mobile phone ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-15343431

Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on September 23, 2017, 08:53:34 AM
Looking at the CCTV footage of Joanna Yeates, and trying to follow the bags in her hand..

(1): Joanna Yeates walking into Waitrose with what appears to be 1 black bag in her hand

(2): As she comes down the aisle you can now see 2 bags in her hand.. I've circled them.

(3):Bargain Booze she has 2 bags in her hand.. 1  black with skull upon it and one of a different shade of black
      behind it..

(4): Tesco's at the till she has a white bag in her hand, it look like it's made from thick paper, the sort you get gifts
       in, you can see the flat edge to this bag at the bottom.

(5): As she leaves Tesco's you can only see the Black (Bin Liner) type bag in her hand and not the other blackish
       bag.. don't see it at the checkout either ...



What happened to the bags that she was carrying??  Why didn't she have 3 bags in her hand in Tesco's ??? she has 2 in Bargain Booze?? Did she leave something to post at Bargain Booze ???

Also in the Waitrose CCTV just after I captured her with the 2 bags.. The CCTV jumps and she is suddenly further down on the left hand side when she she not be that far ahead...

Were they trying to hide the fact that she has another bag in her hand when she leaves Waitroose ???

Edit... i have attached another image;

(6):... It looks like she has the white bag in her hand in Waitrose...  Between the other 2 bags... It's hard to capture

I've attached an enlarged image an another one...

I am now questioning 2 things... What order did she go shopping... And who did she see in Waitose to have more bags with her than when she came into the store ???




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U7WUtJIhb8


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Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: nina on September 23, 2017, 12:58:57 PM
Looking at the CCTV footage of Joanna Yeates, and trying to follow the bags in her hand..

(1): Joanna Yeates walking into Waitrose with what appears to be 1 black bag in her hand

(2): As she comes down the aisle you can now see 2 bags in her hand.. I've circled them.

(3):Bargain Booze she has 2 bags in her hand.. 1  black with skull upon it and one of a different shade of black
      behind it..

(4): Tesco's at the till she has a white bag in her hand, it look like it's made from thick paper, the sort you get gifts
       in, you can see the flat edge to this bag at the bottom.

(5): As she leaves Tesco's you can only see the Black (Bin Liner) type bag in her hand and not the other blackish
       bag.. don't see it at the checkout either ...



What happened to the bags that she was carrying??  Why didn't she have 3 bags in her hand in Tesco's ??? she has 2 in Bargain Booze?? Did she leave something to post at Bargain Booze ???

Also in the Waitrose CCTV just after I captured her with the 2 bags.. The CCTV jumps and she is suddenly further down on the left hand side when she she not be that far ahead...

Were they trying to hide the fact that she has another bag in her hand when she leaves Waitroose ???

Edit... i have attached another image;

(6):... It looks like she has the white bag in her hand in Waitrose...  Between the other 2 bags... It's hard to capture

I've attached an enlarged image an another one...

I am now questioning 2 things... What order did she go shopping... And who did she see in Waitose to have more bags with her than when she came into the store ???




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U7WUtJIhb8


Joanna Yeates seems to have the black bag on her back, which one which goes over one shoulder and the plastic bag is a 2010 Bargain Booze plastic bag. Back then shops were giving them away, not now though, thank heavens.

If you say that she has a thick paper bag this could have been a present from a friend at work.

I think it likely that Joanna put the Bargain Booze bag in her black bag, plus any other bags that would fit, makes sense.

I can't watch You Tube and the like because BT is ripping me off at the moment. Nice one BT. So I am just going by still 'photos.

I also don't know anything about Joanna in Waitrose.... bag wise.
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on October 18, 2017, 08:24:54 PM
I don't know who took this short video.. It's of Longwood lane and over the wall... It sounds like they've just pulled up jump up the car and start videoing...

It's titled

Lane where Jo Yeates' body was found

There even more land on the other side than I realised... There a grassed area over the next Wall...

https://www.musicjinni.com/eZJGcePJW8i/Lane-where-Jo-Yeates-body-was-found.html
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on December 25, 2017, 05:55:36 PM
The CCTV images we have not seen of Joanna Yeates on Friday 17th December 2010 are of her visit to the "Hope and Anchor" Public House....

She visited there with her boyfriend and both should have been captured on CCTV from outside of the Building...  where are the images of Joanna Yeates visit to the Hope and Anchor???

To show Joanna Yeates movements for that day I would have expected that The Hope and Anchor CCTV images, were available for us to get a view of her routine that day...

Did these images get shown at trial???  I have attached an image of the Hope and Anchor on the 7th January 2011, clearly showing us CCTV camera..

Why have the images of her visiting this establishment never been released ??

Does anybody know if they were shown at trial??  I can only find a reference to The Hope and Anchor...


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Friday December 17, 12.50pm: Miss Yeates and Mr Reardon, who both work for design consultancy BDP in Bristol, have lunch together at the Hope and Anchor near their offices. Joanna eats cheesy chips. Sadly it turns out to be her last meal.


Offices ???  So which Office did each of them work in??  Also Hill Street is not close to the Hope and Anchor Pub... But... Caledonia Road is closer.... Is that the Offices they worked at ???

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg436495#msg436495

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4.45pm: Mr Reardon walks to his girlfriend's office to say goodbye before driving to Sheffield to visit his family before Christmas.

Now that suggests to me that they didn't work in the same Office or Building.... He wouldn't need to walk!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/joanna-yeates-murder-timeline-of-events-2377178.html

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Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: Leonora on December 28, 2017, 07:12:06 PM
...To show Joanna Yeates movements for that day I would have expected that The Hope and Anchor CCTV images, were available for us to get a view of her routine that day...

Did these images get shown at trial???  I have attached an image of the Hope and Anchor on the 7th January 2011, clearly showing us CCTV camera..

Why have the images of her visiting this establishment never been released ??

Does anybody know if they were shown at trial??  I can only find a reference to The Hope and Anchor...
I have never seen any CCTV clips from the Hope & Anchor. I am confident that there has not been any reference to any such clips being shown in court. But, to coin a phrase, "I could be mistaken".
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on January 03, 2018, 08:45:32 AM
 The Redwood Hotel.....

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8056.msg438973#msg438973
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on January 03, 2018, 10:06:34 AM
When it comes to CCTV images of Joanna Yeates, what have we actually got??

(1) Bargain Booze

(2) Tesco

(3) The Ram

Now none of these CCTV have the correct time displayed... most do not have the date, so we only have the word of the Police that they were actually taken on the 17th December 2010

What brought me back to these CCTV images were the pictures from 'The Ram'... when looking at that video, we are told that it is Joanna yeates in the images... But is it??  We see her leave the toilet... that CCTV footage could have come from anytime that she had visited The Ram previously, as it was a local haunt on a Friday evening for her....

After that we see the footage of the back of someone whom is supposed to be Joanna yeates... We decide this from a pinkish T Shirt and short blonde hair.... But that doesn't identify the person in the CCTV footage... It isn't a clear image....

We then see her leaving "The Ram Pub"...  Now this is where the interest lies....  The images that has been circled by the media, shows a woman whom apparently matches "A" description of a blonde woman..... If you look at the image, they have actually blurred the "Face" of the woman leaving the Ram pub... (image attached)... So that is not a verification that the person seen leaving The Ram Pub , is actually Joanna Yeates....

So what have we left???  NO CCTV Images of Joanna Yeates that show her categorically on the 17th December 2010..  We have been told a story of her journey... But is it true??  Because I cannot understand if the court have been shown footage of Joanna Yeates in The Ram Pub... why they would feel the need to blur her face..... That is not an identification in my book...!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxJwSkKu4IY
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: Leonora on January 05, 2018, 07:00:01 PM
When it comes to CCTV images of Joanna Yeates, what have we actually got??

(1) Bargain Booze

(2) Tesco

(3) The Ram

(4) Waitrose
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: mrswah on January 05, 2018, 09:49:12 PM
(4) Waitrose


5  walking past Hophouse pub (apparently)
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on January 05, 2018, 10:00:09 PM

5  walking past Hophouse pub (apparently)

Yes mrswah.... And Nero cafe but we don't have the CCTV and of course Canygne Road and we dont have the CCTV..

I didn't understand the need to BLUR out her face on The Ram CCTV... that was all....  ?{)(**
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on January 08, 2018, 09:32:47 AM
Quote
CCTV images suggested that Miss Yeates got back to her flat shortly before 8.45pm.

Which CCTV images are they speaking of ??? The Hophouse pub or The ones on Canygne Road??

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The people who heard the screams were seen on CCTV passing the flat at 8.49pm, suggesting that Miss Yeates had been home for only about five minutes when she was strangled.


Where was this CCTV?? And if it has been used to determine who passed the Flat why hasn't it been used to determine when Joanna Yeates arrived home ??? Why didn't we see any CCTV of Joanna Yeates on Canygne Road near the FLAT??

Why has that always been a mystery... It would clearly show her arriving home, and clearly show Dr Vincent tabak leaving by the small gate...
Why didn't the jury question this CCTV and where Joanna Yeates was on it????

If Joanna Yeates is on this CCTV at Canygne Road... is she wearing something different??? Does it show the people that CJ mentioned or not??? Now that is something to consider....

There should have been no issue with CJ's statement about someone/people leaving Canygne Road if they were on the CCTV, which they should have been...

Who did CJ see on the CCTV.... Someone which made the Police react to his statement....

I believe it was the fact that CJ, knew people had left the Flat that had the Police in a tailspin... Because up until CJ, adds his second witness statement, only the Police are aware of the comings and goings on Canygne Road that evening... And CJ throws a spanner in the works by his second statement.... He has become a witness....

There must be something that has been covered up,(imo) if they have never revealed this CCTV of Canygne Road... Also we never hear from CJ about this encounter of his on Friday 17th December 2010....

Doesn't it peak anyones curiosity, that the Police had footage of Canygne Road that shows The Leymans/Or a Couple, arriving at a party, yet they couldn't bring it to trial to show when Joanna Yeates arrived home, or when Dr Vincent Tabak went to and from his Flat....

I'll go back to this quote:
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CCTV images suggested that Miss Yeates got back to her flat shortly before 8.45pm.

Now I believe that to be The Hop House Pub, purely because it says that it "SUGGESTS" that Joanna Yeates got back to her Flat before 8:45pm

Now we know she is in Tesco's at around 8:40pm and apparently stops for a chat with the Vicar... so that would take more than 5 mins.... So even the Hophouse pub CCTV may not have been her walking past, But another person in a white coat.... It isn't a clear image... Could be anyone ....

So what happened to Joanna Yeates between Tesco's and her Flat... Because there is NO indication via CCTV that she ever made it home....
And the suggestion that CJ may have heard a woman, must have had the Police reeling... Because they would have known that Joanna Yeates never made it to her Flat... Or we would have seen the CCTV to corroborate this fact....

They wouldn't keep everyone guessing as to the time Joanna Yeates got home.... Because they should know!!

Also they wouldn't have arrested CJ either as the only witness to people leaving the Flat.... Makes it easy if you turn him into a suspect... everyones eye is off the ball.... No-one would consider that someone within the Police already knew the comings and goings on Canygne Road, and that CJ was a witness to part of this....

So who wanted to keep CJ quiet?? Because they did in fact manage that didn't they....  CJ should state what he saw.... Or if he has been sworn to silence, he maybe able to shed some light as to where this CCTV was located on Canygne Road... Was there more than one CCTV camera... did 44, Canygne Road have its own CCTV, or did 42 ??

Or was it the house opposite, that would see the comings and going of all on that Friday night??

So Avon and Somerset Police.... Would you like to elaborate on this CCTV Footage from Canygne Road and explain why you were not sure about Joanna Yeates???   Or did the CCTV show her arrive home but didn't show her leave ??

And did you identify all of the people who appeared on this CCTV??

Did it show Peter Stanley helping to start Greg's car for Instance ??
Did it show CJ arriving home from the gym??
Did it show Tanja Morson leaving for her party??
Did it show any of the occupants of 44, Canygne Road that evening??
Did it show anyone entering 44,Canygne Road??


This CCTV, is strangely Missing, and this CCTV could answer so many questions that people have, and it would stop any speculation that anyone has about anybody from that building on that night of Friday 17th December 2010..
As it would be there for all to see....

So why haven't we seen it?? And why wasn't it played at trial to show the Jury Joanna Yeates arriving home at her Flat? It would have been more concrete than a vicar telling us he saw a woman that matched Joanna Yeates description on that Friday Night...






http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8819207/Vincent-Tabak-strangled-Joanna-Yeates.-Soon-after-he-was-bored-and-buying-crisps.html
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on January 11, 2018, 08:42:38 PM
The Private CCTV camera that was on Canygne Road, could it have belonged to Christopher Jefferies??

Wouldn't the Police have needed to say from which resident they received the Private CCTV Footage from in court...??

And if I remember correctly CJ's name is never mentioned in court... He is referred to as the landlord...  If as it appears they did not want CJ's name recorded at this trial... Could that be the reason they didn't bring the Private CCTV Footage to Dr Vincent Tabak's trial...

Just a thought !

Edit....

The image I have attached had me wondering, if it was from CCTV.... Was the cctv at the back of Canygne Road? I would have imagined that someone who was concerned with the neighbourhood watch , would have wanted to protect his property....

Just a thought...

If that is indeed the case, shouldn't Dr Vincent tabak been on said cctv, moving a body from Flat 1 to Flat 2??
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on April 30, 2018, 04:37:06 PM
I have never seen any CCTV clips from the Hope & Anchor. I am confident that there has not been any reference to any such clips being shown in court. But, to coin a phrase, "I could be mistaken".


I believe that is true.... But the Hope and Anchor did have CCTV and the Police DID take it away.....

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Martin informed us that The Hope & Anchor in Bristol had an existing VCR style CCTV system which was getting quite old. The images it displayed were grainy and movement was very jerky. They’d been thinking about upgrading to a new CCTV system for a long time, and then sadly the deciding factor was the murder of Joanna Yeates. Martin said “it didn’t have a bearing on the murder enquiry. The point was it could have. The Police did ask for the CCTV footage, which showed Joanna in the pub at lunchtime before she went back to work, but the images were too grainy. I was angry at myself really, it could have been my wife, or daughter or relative. It was too late for Joanna but I like to regard it as Joanna’s legacy.”


https://www.cctvinstallation-uk.com/hope-anchor-bristol/

Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on July 25, 2018, 09:21:21 AM
The Bargain Booze CCTV...  (Is it iphone Footage??)

Was the footage taken on a iphone??

On youtube of Avon and Somerset Polices video, the image is small with blackout areas to the side...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU4z1M0LzrQ

But then I found this image and video... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8wD-YZjyoc

The areas to the side are blurred as you would find in an iphone footage... 


It begs the question, was this footage actually filmed on a phone, as I really cannot see a reason why the CCTV would have blacked out areas to the side, makes no sense at all..



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Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: AerialHunter on July 26, 2018, 10:32:25 AM

I believe that is true.... But the Hope and Anchor did have CCTV and the Police DID take it away.....


https://www.cctvinstallation-uk.com/hope-anchor-bristol/

That’s a very interesting point. If the police took away the video recording it could only be of the people present in the pub. What was the point? It was a pointless exercise, unless of course you were interested in keeping someone out of the public eye!
Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: ...... on August 25, 2018, 09:44:32 PM
Early in the Investigation... The Police originally suggested that The Killer went across "Clifton Suspension Bridge" to Longwood Lane to dispose of Joanna Yeates body... They had surveyed the CCTV and it was the 18th December 2010 that they elluded the killer crossed the bridge... But later on they then tell us that the CCTv cannot see number plates or into cars and then we get a change of direction for The Killer... who by now we know is apparently Dr Vincent Tabak, who aimlessly drove about managing to avoid all CCTV camera's and put the body on Longwood Lane, without even a taxi going by seeing him....

But if we go back to December 27th 2010 ITV did a news clip of Clifton Suspension Bridge.....

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Joanna Yeates murder: Clifton suspension bridge and body site
Joanna Yeates murder: Clifton suspension bridge and body site; ENGLAND: Somerset: Bristol: EXT Clifton suspension bridge / closed circuit television cameras (CCTV cameras) attached to bridge / traffic crossing toll bridge and inscription on tower

I have attached images and the clip... The interesting point of the clip for me, is the appearance of a blonde young lady not dissimilar to Joanna Yeates appearing  at the toll point "Jogging"....  It's a brief image of a lady jogging...
(at 3:34 - 3:36 of the video)
But I wondered if Joanna Yeates had Jogged??  Had she nipped out from her home leaving her things behind because she didn't need them whilst Jogging...??

It's a scenario that I hadn't thought of... But there must be a reason for all the images of Tanja Morson and Dr Vincent Tabak Jogging.... They are there for a reason (imo)...

The lady is wearing a Pink top... her hair is longer, but do we know for sure how long her hair was?? Bernard had miraculously grown in size... So why not Joanna yeates hair being longer....

I also say this because i have mentioned before, that "Greg" had asked for photo's of Joanna Yeates with shorter hair, on the "Missing Forum". This small request from him had always bothered me,... He is the boyfriend.. he should have images of her and not need to ask... we are in a world where everyones phone has a camera.... They were in love apparently and had just moved home.. There should be oodles of selfies of the pair of them , when she had her hair short..

We have never seen the "Clifton Suspension Bridge "footage... Just like we have never seen the private Canygne Road footage that DS Mark Saunders viewed, with cars on the street and people milling about.... This footage and the Clifton Suspension Bridge Footage could both have Joanna Yeates on them... But we do not know as we have never seen them....

So did Joanna Yeates drop of her shopping and then go Jogging??  Did she see someone she knew on the Suspension Bridge..

She could have gone Jogging on the Saturday... There is no definitive proof that she died on Friday 17th December 2010...

Did she go Jogging in the morning on Saturday and someone was waiting for her return... That's a possibility... That would fit in with Kingdon hearing someone shout "Help Me".... On the Saturday Morning.... That idea I am warming too...

Put that together with the image of trainers in the hallway... And, DCI Phil Jones saying that they found trainers under the sink, with a blood spot on them, and you have the possibility that Joanna Yeates went out Jogging and was attacked when she arrived home... She could have unlocked the door... The killer could have easily gained entry...  Therefore all her possessions are in the house apart from the Pizza she could have eaten the night before...  But I cannot account for the packaging...

I am just suggesting possibilities, as we do not really know what happened to Joanna Yeates...

But as they say.... every picture tells a story... Well maybe all the images of people jogging have more to do with Joanna Yeates than we might realise... Those images are there for a reason....(imo)

Edit... On the image I have attached... I wonder what the images/pictures are of on that T-Shirt she is wearing??

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/clifton-suspension-bridge-and-body-site-england-somerset-news-footage/688037308

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Title: Re: CCTV Images and Film
Post by: AerialHunter on August 27, 2018, 04:29:18 PM
That is an extraordinary likeness to Yeates, I must agree. Perhaps the only way to determine if it is or not is to try and get whomever is in that picture to come forward and identify themselves. Without the help of the press though you are very unlikely to get a response, forums such as this are too obscure, they are not in the general eye of the public. This, incidentally, is not an opinion of mine, it’s plain fact.