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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Brietta on September 07, 2017, 08:47:11 AM

Title: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on September 07, 2017, 08:47:11 AM
UK indies ride Netflix wave
By Peter White7 September 2017

Pulse Films lands Madeleine McCann doc as SVoD services help to prop up flat indie sector

Pulse Films will investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann for Netflix, as the SVoD revolution gathers pace for UK indies.

The eight-part true-crime series is being made in association with Viacom-owned Hollywood studio Paramount Television. It aims to shine a light on the three-year- old’s disappearance in 2007, and will include interviews with key figures and investigators.

Pulse managing director of non-scripted television Emma Cooper is exec producing the project. The Vice-owned indie declined to comment.

The project is Paramount Television’s highest profile factual series to date. It recently co-produced comedy-drama Lemony Snicket’s A Series Of Unfortunate Events for Netflix and is co-financing BBC1’s forthcoming John Le Carré adaptation The Spy Who Came In From The Cold.

Pulse’s project is the latest in a long line of McCann documentaries; in May, BBC1 aired Panorama special Madeleine McCann: Ten Years On, while a Crimewatch special on the disappearance drew nearly 7 million viewers in 2013.

UK originations

Pulse is the second UK producer to emerge with a multimillion-pound order from Netflix this week. Fortitude indie Fifty Fathoms is making The Eddy, directed by La La Land’s Damien Chazelle, the biggest scripted SVoD commission for a UK producer since The Crown.

The 8 x 60-minute series is written by National Treasure’s Jack Thorne and is being filmed by the Endemol Shine-owned producer, run by Patrick Spence and Katie Swinden, in France. It will be shot in English, French and Arabic.

The Eddy is being produced in association with WME’s IMG, which distributed The Night Manager and is co-financing Phoebe Waller-Bridge’s forthcoming BBC America thriller Killing Eve.

The two major commissions coincide with the release of Pact figures showing that revenues from global SVoD services are helping to prop up a relatively flat UK indie sector.

Pact Census data highlighted that production revenues from firms such as Netflix and Amazon grew by 101% from £62.8m in 2015 to £126m in 2016. This was part of an overall rise in international commissions from £430m in 2015 to £468m last year.

The global growth was in contrast to a dip in domestic revenues of 3% as UK commissioning spend fell to £1.5bn, the lowest since 2011.

Pact chief executive John McVay said that the UK market is steady but international is “basically where we now make our money”.

Noting that Netflix has hired BBC Storyville editor Kate Townsend to head up a UK-based factual division, he added: “The opportunities for British producers have never been as great.
https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/indies/uk-indies-ride-netflix-wave/5122034.article


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Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on September 08, 2017, 12:18:51 PM
UK indies ride Netflix wave
By Peter White7 September 2017

Pulse Films lands Madeleine McCann doc as SVoD services help to prop up flat indie sector

Pulse Films will investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann for Netflix, as the SVoD revolution gathers pace for UK indies.

The eight-part true-crime series is being made in association with Viacom-owned Hollywood studio Paramount Television. It aims to shine a light on the three-year- old’s disappearance in 2007, and will include interviews with key figures and investigators.

Pulse managing director of non-scripted television Emma Cooper is exec producing the project. The Vice-owned indie declined to comment.

The project is Paramount Television’s highest profile factual series to date. It recently co-produced comedy-drama Lemony Snicket’s A Series Of Unfortunate Events for Netflix and is co-financing BBC1’s forthcoming John Le Carré adaptation The Spy Who Came In From The Cold.

Pulse’s project is the latest in a long line of McCann documentaries; in May, BBC1 aired Panorama special Madeleine McCann: Ten Years On, while a Crimewatch special on the disappearance drew nearly 7 million viewers in 2013.

UK originations

Pulse is the second UK producer to emerge with a multimillion-pound order from Netflix this week. Fortitude indie Fifty Fathoms is making The Eddy, directed by La La Land’s Damien Chazelle, the biggest scripted SVoD commission for a UK producer since The Crown.

The 8 x 60-minute series is written by National Treasure’s Jack Thorne and is being filmed by the Endemol Shine-owned producer, run by Patrick Spence and Katie Swinden, in France. It will be shot in English, French and Arabic.

The Eddy is being produced in association with WME’s IMG, which distributed The Night Manager and is co-financing Phoebe Waller-Bridge’s forthcoming BBC America thriller Killing Eve.

The two major commissions coincide with the release of Pact figures showing that revenues from global SVoD services are helping to prop up a relatively flat UK indie sector.

Pact Census data highlighted that production revenues from firms such as Netflix and Amazon grew by 101% from £62.8m in 2015 to £126m in 2016. This was part of an overall rise in international commissions from £430m in 2015 to £468m last year.

The global growth was in contrast to a dip in domestic revenues of 3% as UK commissioning spend fell to £1.5bn, the lowest since 2011.

Pact chief executive John McVay said that the UK market is steady but international is “basically where we now make our money”.

Noting that Netflix has hired BBC Storyville editor Kate Townsend to head up a UK-based factual division, he added: “The opportunities for British producers have never been as great.
https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/indies/uk-indies-ride-netflix-wave/5122034.article
I hope that they take the trouble to get their facts right.

We have had enough propaganda pumped out there like:
-  The Mccanns were dining /drinking 200 metres away, when in actuality they had sight of the rear entrance to the street lamp illuminated apartment and were only 50 metres away (crow flies)
-  The dogs smelled death in the car (Amarals misunderstanding)
-  The dogs smelled death in the apartment (Amarals misunderstanding)
-  That there was no way into the apartment for an abductor (Amarals words)

etc etc.

Hope they build their documentary on a sound base and not on destructive myths.

Any one know who owns the company that is producing this and the names behind this venture?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: G-Unit on September 08, 2017, 03:31:21 PM
I hope that they take the trouble to get their facts right.

We have had enough propaganda pumped out there like:
-  The Mccanns were dining /drinking 200 metres away, when in actuality they had sight of the rear entrance to the street lamp illuminated apartment and were only 50 metres away (crow flies)
-  The dogs smelled death in the car (Amarals misunderstanding)
-  The dogs smelled death in the apartment (Amarals misunderstanding)
-  That there was no way into the apartment for an abductor (Amarals words)

etc etc.

Hope they build their documentary on a sound base and not on destructive myths.

Any one know who owns the company that is producing this and the names behind this venture?

In October 2007 the apartment entrance wasn't well lit by any means. See attachment or watch the video;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InJLmyakzeE









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Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on September 09, 2017, 12:34:44 AM
In October 2007 the apartment entrance wasn't well lit by any means. See attachment or watch the video;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InJLmyakzeE
I have never tried to make out that the patio area was highly illuminated BUT it was illuminated sufficiently for it to stand out, and anyone entering or leaving via that direction would stand out like a sore thumb.

It is so important that these videos and reports are based on rock solid facts, otherwise complete disinformation can be given out.   
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: slartibartfast on September 09, 2017, 08:05:20 AM
I have never tried to make out that the patio area was highly illuminated BUT it was illuminated sufficiently for it to stand out, and anyone entering or leaving via that direction would stand out like a sore thumb.

It is so important that these videos and reports are based on rock solid facts, otherwise complete disinformation can be given out.

You mean like being in their back garden?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on September 09, 2017, 09:02:50 AM
You mean like being in their back garden?

Less than a minute's walk from where they were seated to where the children were sleeping ... possibly much the same time away as the parents sleeping under the same roof as their children while a predator was on the prowl in their bedroom.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on September 09, 2017, 09:18:05 AM
Less than a minute's walk from where they were seated to where the children were sleeping ... possibly much the same time away as the parents sleeping under the same roof as their children while a predator was on the prowl in their bedroom.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

It wasn't a back garden.

It was a bar serving alcoholic drinks and food.

Nothing else.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on September 09, 2017, 09:27:12 AM
It wasn't a back garden.

It was a bar serving alcoholic drinks and food.

Nothing else.

It was less than one minute ... 45secs at walking pace ... less than that if running.  Not to split hairs, it was a tapas restaurant serving meals ...
They were out to eat their dinner ... had they been seated on their veranda with the door closed not to waken the children ... it would still have been possible for someone using a key to enter and kidnap a child.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on September 09, 2017, 11:28:31 AM
You mean like being in their back garden?
Have you been there and seen for yourself?

I have
.... and I would equate it with a back garden large enough and suitably equipped for the number of apartments which back on to it, and use it as their main back garden. 

As I have said before, I have personal experience of several people with swimming pools, tennis courts, cooking and dining facilities, bar, childrens playing area etc in their back gardens.  Maybe you have never lived in such a  country area with large expensive homes mixed with smaller ones?   I found these wealthy people very kind and willing to share their fortunate position with poorer friends.

My present townie neighbours have most of these facilities in a moderately sized home.  The swimming pool is only an inflatable paddling pool and no tennis court, but the lawn will make a fine mini footie ground/ tennis playing area when the children are old enough.  My bet is that there will be a small swimming pool when the kids can swim.


Before you become judgemental, have you been into the tapas/ back garden area and seen for yourself?  And have you personal experience of homes with swimming pools, tennis courts etc.?
 
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on September 09, 2017, 11:30:37 AM
Have you been there and seen for yourself?

I have
.... and I would equate it with a back garden large enough and suitably equipped for the number of apartments which back on to it, and use it as their main back garden. 

As I have said before, I have personal experience of several people with swimming pools, tennis courts, cooking and dining facilities, bar, childrens playing area etc in their back gardens.  Maybe you have never lived in such a  country area with large expensive homes mixed with smaller ones?   I found these wealthy people very kind and willing to share their fortunate position with poorer friends.

My present townie neighbours have most of these facilities in a moderately sized home.  The swimming pool is only an inflatable paddling pool and no tennis court, but the lawn will make a fine mini footie ground/ tennis playing area when the children are old enough.  My bet is that there will be a small swimming pool when the kids can swim.


Before you become judgemental, have you been into the tapas/ back garden area and seen for yourself?  And have you personal experience of homes with swimming pools, tennis courts etc.?

It wasn't a back garden Sadie.

Try not to continue with this myth.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: slartibartfast on September 09, 2017, 01:47:42 PM
It wasn't a back garden Sadie.

Try not to continue with this myth.

It was crossed by public footpaths and was populated by strangers, not a typical back garden.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on September 10, 2017, 01:54:18 AM
It wasn't a back garden Sadie.

Try not to continue with this myth.

It is NOT a myth. 

It is like the main back garden to these apartments that lie adjacent to it.  Of course in some ways it has a commercial element to it in as much as food and drinks are charged for, but otherwise it functions as a fairly luxurious back garden

Have you been into the Tapas area, walked around it and seen for yourself, because I recommend that you do before intimating that I am a liar.

If you have and still say it is not like a big fairly luxurious back garden, then I will happily call you a liar


Stephen, by now you should know that I am honest.   I do not take kindly to intimations that I am lying.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on September 10, 2017, 07:47:59 AM
It is NOT a myth. 

It is like the main back garden to these apartments that lie adjacent to it.  Of course in some ways it has a commercial element to it in as much as food and drinks are charged for, but otherwise it functions as a fairly luxurious back garden

Have you been into the Tapas area, walked around it and seen for yourself, because I recommend that you do before intimating that I am a liar.

If you have and still say it is not like a big fairly luxurious back garden, then I will happily call you a liar


Stephen, by now you should know that I am honest.   I do not take kindly to intimations that I am lying.


It is not a garden.

It is and was a restaurant and bar.

persist with your belief, it will not change the facts.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on September 11, 2017, 12:12:37 AM
Netflix announce Madeleine McCann true crime documentary series with new interviews and key investigators – similar to Making a Murderer.

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By JJ Anisiobi
Sunday, September 10, 2017

NETFLIX has decided to expand its already large true crime offering with a brand new documentary about the tragic disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The disappearance of Madeleine McCann has gripped the world for 10 years with her missing person case still an open mystery.

When Madeleine was just three years old she disappeared from her hotel room while on holiday with her parents, Kate and Gerry, and her two siblings in Praia de Luz back in 2007.

Despite there being several potential suspects, numerous sightings and theories, her disappearance has continued.

Now, Netflix plan on delivering a cinematic experience of the events leading up to and past that fateful night including interviews with key figures and investigators.

It is believed that the as yet unnamed true crime documentary will be split into eight individual episodes.

http://www.ok.co.uk/tv/netflix/1173381/netflix-madeleine-mccann-true-crime-documentary-series-new-interviews-missing-making-a-murderer-gaga
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on September 11, 2017, 12:22:00 AM
It was less than one minute ... 45secs at walking pace ... less than that if running.  Not to split hairs, it was a tapas restaurant serving meals ...
They were out to eat their dinner ... had they been seated on their veranda with the door closed not to waken the children ... it would still have been possible for someone using a key to enter and kidnap a child.

But they would have been closer in the rather more likely scenarios of the children waking up distressed, trying to climb on a chair to get a drink and falling or the multitude of other accidents that can befall a small child when left alone.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on September 11, 2017, 11:56:19 AM
Netflix is going to struggle to promote anything new in this dreadful case and especially so since there has been no official determination of it yet despite the passing of ten years.  It will be interesting to see if they have both the research and the courage to pursue the Correia/Metodo 3 affair or will they merely wallpaper over it?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 11, 2017, 11:59:06 AM
If key witnesses Martin Smith & family feature I would be interested but I can't see it. The pretend deaf, dumb and blind kid will not like that one bit.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on September 11, 2017, 12:11:58 PM
Netflix is going to struggle to promote anything new in this dreadful case and especially so since there has been no official determination of it yet despite the passing of ten years.  It will be interesting to see if they have both the research and the courage to pursue the Correia/Metodo 3 affair or will they merely wallpaper over it?

The problem is while the case is still being investigated many of the main witnesses such as Grime, Smith etc will be unwilling  to speak.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on September 11, 2017, 02:22:32 PM
It will be a great opportunity to publicise the mystery man widely referred to as Smithman.  Let's hope Netflix takes that opportunity.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 11, 2017, 07:22:30 PM
The problem is while the case is still being investigated many of the main witnesses such as Grime, Smith etc will be unwilling  to speak.

Indeed faith, that is a real concern as they could be 'interfering' with witnesses? I am not sure how they will get round that and I also wonder if it will be impartial and look at some worthy theories or will it be the same ole same ole.

Is John McVey related to Esther dose anyone know?

re: the garden scenario, they could NOT see the children's room or hear them if they woke. Who else do we know who has a main road with passing tourists cutting across their back garden?  anyone?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on September 13, 2017, 01:01:18 AM
Indeed faith, that is a real concern as they could be 'interfering' with witnesses? I am not sure how they will get round that and I also wonder if it will be impartial and look at some worthy theories or will it be the same ole same ole.

Is John McVey related to Esther dose anyone know?

re: the garden scenario, they could NOT see the children's room or hear them if they woke. Who else do we know who has a main road with passing tourists cutting across their back garden?  anyone?
Where has my answer to this gone?

Yes, try Victoria Terrace, Walsall.  Look on Google Earth.
A proper tarmaced road goes through the FRONT gardens of this very pleasant road.

Also hubbies childhood home, a small victorian house in a terrace had a pathway which was open to the public.  This ran accross the rear of a whole row of terraced houses and opened into the street in more than one place, so there was a route through if anyone chose to take it, which could have been used as a short cut as it was on the corner in a similar way to block 5.  It's use was for the coalman and a back way into each house. 

The long thin back garden which were generally fenced and with gates were split into two by this path.  This terrace is no longer there and has now been built upon, so sorry no reference for you to see it.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Benice on September 13, 2017, 11:20:43 AM
Where has my answer to this gone?

Yes, try Victoria Terrace, Walsall.  Look on Google Earth.
A proper tarmaced road goes through the FRONT gardens of this very pleasant road.

Also hubbies childhood home, a small victorian house in a terrace had a pathway which was open to the public.  This ran accross the rear of a whole row of terraced houses and opened into the street in more than one place, so there was a route through if anyone chose to take it, which could have been used as a short cut as it was on the corner in a similar way to block 5.  It's use was for the coalman and a back way into each house. 

The long thin back garden which were generally fenced and with gates were split into two by this path.  This terrace is no longer there and has now been built upon, so sorry no reference for you to see it.

A row of the kind of terraced houses  - exactly as you describe - is in my village.  They  have very long narrow back gardens, entries and also the communal pathway crossing the rear of all the properties, splitting the houses from their gardens.

I believe they were originally built to house railway workers.   Most of them have long since been demolished and replaced with modern housing, but that one terraced row remains.



Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on September 13, 2017, 02:18:16 PM
The Ocean Club gardens were public areas and as such cannot be compared to the relative security of ones own back garden.  A poor analogy imo.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on September 13, 2017, 03:23:57 PM
The Ocean Club gardens were public areas and as such cannot be compared to the relative security of ones own back garden.  A poor analogy imo.

I think the importance of the time it takes to walk from where the tapas table to the back entrance is seldom given much consideration.  For young physically fit young people, it has been walked in less than a minute.

Martin Brunt measured it in steps ... I think totalling 79?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on September 13, 2017, 03:32:44 PM
I think the importance of the time it takes to walk from where the tapas table to the back entrance is seldom given much consideration.  For young physically fit young people, it has been walked in less than a minute.

Martin Brunt measured it in steps ... I think totalling 79?

Thank you for that Brietta. Around a minute to walk from the tapas table to the back entrance. So take 7 seconds from the tapas table to the tapas entrance and seven seconds ( conservatively) to get to the the apartments after turning at the corner, this meant that Tanner would have been in Jez's field of vision for around 40-46 seconds. Not quite the few seconds suggested then.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on September 13, 2017, 03:36:09 PM
I think the importance of the time it takes to walk from where the tapas table to the back entrance is seldom given much consideration.  For young physically fit young people, it has been walked in less than a minute.

Martin Brunt measured it in steps ... I think totalling 79?

Using Brunt is not the best of ideas on here.

I.M.O. of course.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Benice on September 13, 2017, 04:07:53 PM
The Ocean Club gardens were public areas and as such cannot be compared to the relative security of ones own back garden.  A poor analogy imo.

If you are sitting at the end of your own back garden, from where you can see the back of your house, but not inside it - and it takes less than 60 seconds to return to the house - then I can see the similarity.   In neither case - house or apartment can you see what is going on at the front of the property.

If you were sitting in a place where you couldn't see your house at all - and it took a lot longer than 60 seconds to return to it - then that would be a different matter IMO.

IMO


Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on September 13, 2017, 04:13:47 PM
If you are sitting at the end of your own back garden, from where you can see the back of your house, but not inside it - and it takes less than 60 seconds to return to the house - then I can see the similarity.   In neither case - house or apartment can you see what is going on at the front of the property.

If you were sitting in a place where you couldn't see your house at all - and it took a lot longer than 60 seconds to return to it - then that would be a different matter IMO.

IMO

Yet again.

It was dark and it was not the back garden.

They were there to drink , eat and talk.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on September 13, 2017, 04:47:51 PM
I think the importance of the time it takes to walk from where the tapas table to the back entrance is seldom given much consideration.  For young physically fit young people, it has been walked in less than a minute.

Martin Brunt measured it in steps ... I think totalling 79?

It is a long time since I studied Metrology but I don't recall "Bruntian Steps" as an approved unit of measurement.
What is that in real money? In case it had escaped your attention the approved units of measurement in UK are millimetre, metre and kilometre [that is keelomeeter not killommeter]. If you can't do real money the distance in chains will do as I have perversion charts for "Mickey Mouse" to "Real".

p.s was it a step or a pace?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on September 13, 2017, 04:50:44 PM
If you are sitting at the end of your own back garden, from where you can see the back of your house, but not inside it - and it takes less than 60 seconds to return to the house - then I can see the similarity.   In neither case - house or apartment can you see what is going on at the front of the property.

If you were sitting in a place where you couldn't see your house at all - and it took a lot longer than 60 seconds to return to it - then that would be a different matter IMO.

IMO

According to the PJ when they "ran a tape over it" there was no unimpeded line of sight from where the T7 sat to the patio door.
 
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on September 14, 2017, 12:21:43 AM
Yet again.

It was dark and it was not the back garden.

They were there to drink , eat and talk.
You have the order wrong stephen .... surprise surpise!

IMHO, Their main purpose was to eat and be with friends.  The wine was incedental and is the norm with a restaurant meal

Yep it was dark, but the patio area was illuminated by the street light opposite, so tht was light
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on September 14, 2017, 08:14:29 AM
You have the order wrong stephen .... surprise surpise!

IMHO, Their main purpose was to eat and be with friends.  The wine was incedental and is the norm with a restaurant meal

Yep it was dark, but the patio area was illuminated by the street light opposite, so tht was light

Why do you bother Sadie, you know I don't believe you.

Have you forgotten about the free booze as well ?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 14, 2017, 08:30:09 AM
Why do you bother Sadie, you know I don't believe you.

Have you forgotten about the free booze as well ?
What free booze?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 14, 2017, 11:53:09 AM
"wine was free, you know, you could have as much as you like."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANE-WEBSTER-2.htm
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 14, 2017, 12:09:24 PM
"wine was free, you know, you could have as much as you like."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANE-WEBSTER-2.htm
Maybe she thought it was free.  I thought someone had to pay for that by credit card! 
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on September 14, 2017, 12:46:17 PM
You have the order wrong stephen .... surprise surpise!

IMHO, Their main purpose was to eat and be with friends.  The wine was incedental and is the norm with a restaurant meal

Yep it was dark, but the patio area was illuminated by the street light opposite, so tht was light

Just a part of the patio was illuminated by the street light opposite, some of it was in relative darkness, a bit like the knowledge being displayed by some posters.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 14, 2017, 02:49:23 PM
Maybe she thought it was free.  I thought someone had to pay for that by credit card!

"All the meals were included in the booking as was a limited choice in drinks, if anything else was ordered there may have been a need to have made an additional payment."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

Wine was free with your free meal and it was mostly consumed by the group.

Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: G-Unit on September 14, 2017, 03:09:00 PM
First of all the table used by the T9 was not necessarily in the restaurant;

our table in the Tapas bar...... I drew a seating plan of the Tapas bar......
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

Secondly the group could have been drinking before the meal. Suggesting that the only drinks consumed were the free wine is misleading because there is evidence that the group drank other drinks as well. As Jane said, it wasn't unusual to drink alcohol as early as kid's high tea. Unusually she didn't at the Paraiso;

I think normally I probably would have at that time of day thought ‘It’s time for a beer’.  But, no, I had an orange juice
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

Fiona says they had a beer at the Paraiso;

we didn't eat, and we all had a beer.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

'I think by the time we arrived, there was wine on the table, cos that's generally what the waiters brought as soon as you arrived anyway, cos you, with your meal got a bottle of wine per couple or something like that free with your meal, so that was (inaudible) on, so I think yeah that was already there but there was no food'.


some people drank beer or asked for a beer on certain nights
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm






Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 14, 2017, 05:52:23 PM
4078    “And what about the rest of the group, can you comment on what they were drinking?”

Reply    “Erm, no, we just tended to stick with, because the wine was included, we tended to stick with just the, the wine that was given, so.  I’ll tell you, the person who drank most of the wine was actually Fiona’s mum, Dianne was the, was the biggest drinker of the lot of us actually, which is quite”.  @)(++(*

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on September 14, 2017, 05:57:22 PM
Netflix are on a roll with "unsolved mystery" type programmes.

Reaction to JonBenét Ramsays murder and Madeleine's disappearance seem to have followed the same path in many ways and are now firmly enshrined as entertainment.
Entertainment for us ... immeasurable grief and horror for the family.  I think it reminiscent of Roman damnatio ad bestias.

Quote
"It became an entertainment event for a lot of the media, sadly...It boosted ratings, attracted viewers, to develop that controversy."

"You know the pain, the intense pain that we felt was the loss of our child. The accusations and the finger pointing weren't significant. We were deeply crushed by the loss of our child, particularly in the manner that it happened."
John Ramsay
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/on-demand/0/casting-jonbenet-controversial-new-netflix-movie-murder-case/

'Casting JonBenet' received rave reviews and currently has a Rotten Tomatoes score of 100%. 

Snip
According to the reviews, some scenes are played for dark humour, while the film also features a sequence in which the young actors auditioning for the role of Burke (JonBenet's brother) violently shatter watermelons, to demonstrate whether or not they would have had the strength to smash JonBenet's skull.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/on-demand/0/casting-jonbenet-controversial-new-netflix-movie-murder-case/

Kate and Gerry have declined to participate in a Netflix documentary on Madeleine. Which in my opinion is an eminently sensible course of action to take.





 
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on September 14, 2017, 07:14:55 PM
Netflix are on a roll with "unsolved mystery" type programmes.

Reaction to JonBenét Ramsays murder and Madeleine's disappearance seem to have followed the same path in many ways and are now firmly enshrined as entertainment.
Entertainment for us ... immeasurable grief and horror for the family.  I think it reminiscent of Roman damnatio ad bestias.

Quote
"It became an entertainment event for a lot of the media, sadly...It boosted ratings, attracted viewers, to develop that controversy."

"You know the pain, the intense pain that we felt was the loss of our child. The accusations and the finger pointing weren't significant. We were deeply crushed by the loss of our child, particularly in the manner that it happened."
John Ramsay
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/on-demand/0/casting-jonbenet-controversial-new-netflix-movie-murder-case/

'Casting JonBenet' received rave reviews and currently has a Rotten Tomatoes score of 100%. 

Snip
According to the reviews, some scenes are played for dark humour, while the film also features a sequence in which the young actors auditioning for the role of Burke (JonBenet's brother) violently shatter watermelons, to demonstrate whether or not they would have had the strength to smash JonBenet's skull.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/on-demand/0/casting-jonbenet-controversial-new-netflix-movie-murder-case/

Kate and Gerry have declined to participate in a Netflix documentary on Madeleine. Which in my opinion is an eminently sensible course of action to take.

Why jump off a successful bandwagon?
As long as the viewer realises it is a bandwagon therefore unlikely to reveal anything of earth shattering importance.
Jon Pilger(remember Jon Pilger?) always prefaced his pieces with "This is only my opinion" or some such.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on September 14, 2017, 09:36:02 PM
First of all the table used by the T9 was not necessarily in the restaurant;

our table in the Tapas bar...... I drew a seating plan of the Tapas bar......
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

Secondly the group could have been drinking before the meal. Suggesting that the only drinks consumed were the free wine is misleading because there is evidence that the group drank other drinks as well. As Jane said, it wasn't unusual to drink alcohol as early as kid's high tea. Unusually she didn't at the Paraiso;

I think normally I probably would have at that time of day thought ‘It’s time for a beer’.  But, no, I had an orange juice
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

Fiona says they had a beer at the Paraiso;

we didn't eat, and we all had a beer.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

'I think by the time we arrived, there was wine on the table, cos that's generally what the waiters brought as soon as you arrived anyway, cos you, with your meal got a bottle of wine per couple or something like that free with your meal, so that was (inaudible) on, so I think yeah that was already there but there was no food'.


some people drank beer or asked for a beer on certain nights
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm
Tapas Bar instead of Tapas Restarant is the same sort of simple error as confusing the back door with the front door.   

I remember in the early days on here watching in horror as different posters used the term Front door for the patio door.   I personally made a stance about it, reminding people that we would get nowhere if some were calling the patio door the Front door when it actually was the back door.

Russell meant the Tapas Restaurant cos there are so many statements that mention them dining in the Restaurant rather than the Tapas Bar.   There is too much evidence to the contrary to try and claim that the Tapas group ate in the Bar.  So I suggest that you just drop it Gunit.   I realise that the reason that you are pushing the Bar is because you want to paint the Tapas group as a group of boozers.  Anything to get at The Mccanns , eh?

No-one ever suggested that any of the group were ever inebriated.  In fact, I think it was Jeronimo who commented that they were always moderate.  Like anyone at dinner at a restaurant, they accompanied the meal with wine, but never got even tipsy as far as we are aware.


Btw, moderate drinks spread out over the day do not make people tipsy .. and as they were never reported as even tipsy, I think that we can safely assume that their alcohol intake was VERY moderate

AIMHO


Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on September 14, 2017, 09:40:19 PM
Netflix are on a roll with "unsolved mystery" type programmes.

Reaction to JonBenét Ramsays murder and Madeleine's disappearance seem to have followed the same path in many ways and are now firmly enshrined as entertainment.
Entertainment for us ... immeasurable grief and horror for the family.  I think it reminiscent of Roman damnatio ad bestias.

Quote
"It became an entertainment event for a lot of the media, sadly...It boosted ratings, attracted viewers, to develop that controversy."

"You know the pain, the intense pain that we felt was the loss of our child. The accusations and the finger pointing weren't significant. We were deeply crushed by the loss of our child, particularly in the manner that it happened."
John Ramsay
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/on-demand/0/casting-jonbenet-controversial-new-netflix-movie-murder-case/

'Casting JonBenet' received rave reviews and currently has a Rotten Tomatoes score of 100%. 

Snip
According to the reviews, some scenes are played for dark humour, while the film also features a sequence in which the young actors auditioning for the role of Burke (JonBenet's brother) violently shatter watermelons, to demonstrate whether or not they would have had the strength to smash JonBenet's skull.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/on-demand/0/casting-jonbenet-controversial-new-netflix-movie-murder-case/

Kate and Gerry have declined to participate in a Netflix documentary on Madeleine. Which in my opinion is an eminently sensible course of action to take.


How dreadful.

So the psychological torture of the Mccanns looks like being cranked up a notch or few then.

How some sadists will enjoy that.

IMO
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 14, 2017, 09:40:46 PM
"All the meals were included in the booking as was a limited choice in drinks, if anything else was ordered there may have been a need to have made an additional payment."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

Wine was free with your free meal and it was mostly consumed by the group.
Stand corrected.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on September 14, 2017, 09:51:03 PM
"All the meals were included in the booking as was a limited choice in drinks, if anything else was ordered there may have been a need to have made an additional payment."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

Wine was free with your free meal and it was mostly consumed by the group.
The meals were not free.  They had taken a package where the meals including some wine was paid for in advance.

This enabled the Ocean Club to fill their dining seats and make a steady profit ... and enabled the guests to get a better dining deal cos the food and drink was less expensive this way.  They also did not have to carry money or cards with them.  All paid for in advance

Rob, these package deals may not be available in NZ, but they are common in the UK.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on September 15, 2017, 01:43:21 AM
How dreadful.

So the psychological torture of the Mccanns looks like being cranked up a notch or few then.

How some sadists will enjoy that.

IMO

Apparently with the intention of keeping it going over eight episodes, Sadie.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 15, 2017, 07:50:06 AM


There will be nothing new. 

Just the same old rehashed poppycock.

Bundle Man, Creepy Man, Dead tractor drivers & Ocean club staff.

I'm expecting "Formally Cleared", "Ruled out by the MET" & "Not suspects" to feature prominently.

The McCanns can sleep easy.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 15, 2017, 08:14:53 AM

There will be nothing new. 

Just the same old rehashed poppycock.

Bundle Man, Creepy Man, Dead tractor drivers & Ocean club staff.

I'm expecting "Formally Cleared", "Ruled out by the MET" & "Not suspects" to feature prominently.

The McCanns can sleep easy.
They won't get Madeleine back so there is no reason to sleep easy.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on September 15, 2017, 08:51:00 AM
Apparently with the intention of keeping it going over eight episodes, Sadie.
Appalling, but some sadists will have a bean feast.   Phew, eight episodes, what a treat for them if it turns out to be like alleged other videos Netfix have produced.

I really am thinking that The Law has to be changed to stop these destructive Media/ video intrusions.   Some are little else than made up disinformation and propaganda.

But sadly seems we shall have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on September 15, 2017, 09:40:18 AM
Appalling, but some sadists will have a bean feast.   Phew, eight episodes, what a treat for them if it turns out to be like alleged other videos Netfix have produced.

I really am thinking that The Law has to be changed to stop these destructive Media/ video intrusions.   Some are little else than made up disinformation and propaganda.

But sadly seems we shall have to wait and see.

There is always an element of speculation when making a programme about cases with a 'mystery' label attached.

In my opinion the Americans are not terribly precise when it comes to making 'documentaries'. 
Most of those I have seen suffer from hype ~ weird interpretation of what passes for evidence ~ all coupled with sensationalism from presentations on Noah's Ark to the Black Dalhia.

Using JonBenet's story to entertain as described is one thing; JonBenet is is dead and foreign male DNA was on her body.  I'm not sure if turning her death into a community project is acceptable; maybe that is just me; but the fact remains that there is a male predator out there who has not been traced.

Using Madeleine's story for entertainment is another thing.
Madeleine is missing and may be alive ... her case is still an active one which in my opinion will debar any one who actually knows what is happening ... to silence.
Although sceptics have a fluid definition of that, for example ... Martin Grime "cannot" speak but Goncalo Amaral is allowed to write books and become a media pundit detailing the same case which silences Grime.  OK.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 17, 2017, 11:07:05 AM
There is always an element of speculation when making a programme about cases with a 'mystery' label attached.

In my opinion the Americans are not terribly precise when it comes to making 'documentaries'. 
Most of those I have seen suffer from hype ~ weird interpretation of what passes for evidence ~ all coupled with sensationalism from presentations on Noah's Ark to the Black Dalhia.

Using JonBenet's story to entertain as described is one thing; JonBenet is is dead and foreign male DNA was on her body.  I'm not sure if turning her death into a community project is acceptable; maybe that is just me; but the fact remains that there is a male predator out there who has not been traced.

Using Madeleine's story for entertainment is another thing.
Madeleine is missing and may be alive ... her case is still an active one which in my opinion will debar any one who actually knows what is happening ... to silence.
Although sceptics have a fluid definition of that, for example ... Martin Grime "cannot" speak but Goncalo Amaral is allowed to write books and become a media pundit detailing the same case which silences Grime.  OK.

I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiments of this post. I couldn't care less if it is potrayed from a supporter or sceptic view point. It is entertainment, and not  a proper investigative project, from  my understanding.
Madeleine Beth McCann is a financial commodity- her mortal state is only interesting to those people who can ply their wares about what happened to her.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on September 17, 2017, 11:19:00 AM
There is always an element of speculation when making a programme about cases with a 'mystery' label attached.

In my opinion the Americans are not terribly precise when it comes to making 'documentaries'. 
Most of those I have seen suffer from hype ~ weird interpretation of what passes for evidence ~ all coupled with sensationalism from presentations on Noah's Ark to the Black Dalhia.

Using JonBenet's story to entertain as described is one thing; JonBenet is is dead and foreign male DNA was on her body.  I'm not sure if turning her death into a community project is acceptable; maybe that is just me; but the fact remains that there is a male predator out there who has not been traced.

Using Madeleine's story for entertainment is another thing.
Madeleine is missing and may be alive ... her case is still an active one which in my opinion will debar any one who actually knows what is happening ... to silence.
Although sceptics have a fluid definition of that, for example ... Martin Grime "cannot" speak but Goncalo Amaral is allowed to write books and become a media pundit detailing the same case which silences Grime.  OK.

Probably why the McCanns had the good sense to run for the hills when approached by Netflix.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on October 15, 2017, 02:27:10 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/866627/Gerry-Kate-McCann-snub-new-Maddie-documentary

FILMMAKERS are pressing ahead with a controversial eight-part documentary about the abduction of Madeleine McCann – even though her parents want nothing to do with it.

By JAMES MURRAY
PUBLISHED: 00:01, Sun, Oct 15, 2017 | UPDATED: 09:22, Sun, Oct 15, 2017

The so-called Tapas Seven, friends of the McCanns who holidayed with them at Praia da Luz, Portugal, when Madeleine disappeared 10 years ago, have also snubbed the venture commissioned by Netflix and Paramount.

Despite the rejection of co-operation by parents Gerry and Kate McCann, Pulse Films has put together a team, including producers and researchers, to keep the project on track.

They are working on a “treatment” which will form the basis of the series, which could cost £20million.

Last week an executive working for the London-based firm visited Rothley, Leicestershire, where the McCanns live and spent hours interviewing journalists who have chronicled the story.

The assistant producer, who has expertise in undercover filming, later flew to Portugal where he has already established links with people closely involved with the story.

Another executive has also visited residents near the home.

It is thought producers want to involve former Portuguese police chief Goncalo Amaral, who has been involved in bitter legal action with the McCanns.

Dramatic reconstructions will be made of key events, including the night of May 3, 2007, when Madeleine, aged three, disappeared.
Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCanns, has confirmed Pulse Films wrote to Kate and Gerry asking them to co-operate.

He said: “Gerry said they did not want to get involved and that is also the view of their friends.”

Netflix is hoping to screen the series next spring, but a spokesman for Pulse Films declined to comment.

The company has more than 100 million subscribers with more than half of them living outside the United States.

Scotland Yard and Portuguese police continue to investigate the case but they have not made a breakthrough.

A television insider said: "This documentary series could provide the McCanns with an opportunity to appeal to a vast global audience of possibly 50 million for help, but they may see it as exploitative and too painful.”
=================================================================

So, it's reportedly going to cost a whopping £20m to produce a documentary on an investigation which has cost the taxpayer £12m over 10 years. I wonder if any of the sceptics will spot the irony in that?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 15, 2017, 03:30:13 PM
So, it's reportedly going to cost a whopping £20m to produce a documentary on an investigation which has cost the taxpayer £12m over 10 years. I wonder if any of the sceptics will spot the irony in that?

Netflix will probably recoup their money,the tax payer certainly won't.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on October 15, 2017, 04:49:33 PM
So, it's reportedly going to cost a whopping £20m to produce a documentary on an investigation which has cost the taxpayer £12m over 10 years. I wonder if any of the sceptics will spot the irony in that?

Personally I don't see how anyone could possibly produce any informative worthwhile documentary on this case when it isn't even known what happened to Madeleine. This is especially true if the main witnesses wont even take part.

The case is as wide open today as it was the night she was reported missing. There are numerous valid possibilities as to what really happened to Madeleine McCann.

A documentary at this stage will not answer any questions.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on October 15, 2017, 04:57:53 PM
One based on the known documentation could be interesting, don't you think?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on October 15, 2017, 05:09:34 PM
One based on the known documentation could be interesting, don't you think?

In my opinion it would be impossible for the production team to gain access to all the known documentation on Madeleine's case.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on October 15, 2017, 05:13:32 PM
Quite right. I should have said documentation in the public domain.
If truthfully based on that, it would be difficult for anyone to dispute the content.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on October 15, 2017, 06:25:10 PM
Quite right. I should have said documentation in the public domain.
If truthfully based on that, it would be difficult for anyone to dispute the content.

If content which was inaccurate and defamatory about any individual concerned were to be promulgated, there might be some measure of difficulty.  Unless the Netflix documentaries are made in Portugal for a Portuguese audience thirsting for 'Freedom of Expression' and 'honour' ... I would imagine the content would be gone over with a fine tooth comb by lawyers versed in libel law.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on October 15, 2017, 06:30:40 PM
Aren't Netflix American?  Can't see them being overly bothered as any legal action would need to be taken there.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 15, 2017, 06:34:44 PM
Aren't Netflix American?  Can't see them being overly bothered as any legal action would need to be taken there.

If claims were made similar to those made by amaral then the film would be deemed libellous in most of the US under the libel per se rule
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 15, 2017, 06:38:18 PM
From the original information I dont think all 8 episodes will be about this case... It will be part of the series of 8 featuring other cases.... Not 100 % but thats as I remember.
Almost certainly the reason the mccanns wont take part is because they will have no editorial control and anything they say could be edited at the discretion of the programme makers
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on October 15, 2017, 07:22:09 PM
Aren't Netflix American?  Can't see them being overly bothered as any legal action would need to be taken there.

Defamation law in the United States is not something which I have ever given a lot of consideration.  It does seem quite clear though.  Defaming someone using false information to do so would appear to be a big NO! NO!  I'm sure the Pageretes of this life have their own version of Carter Ruck willing to drop Netflix a line.

FREE SPEECH V. DEFAMATION
In the United States, federal defamation law is closely tied to the First Amendment. As a result, federal slander and libel laws are more defendant-friendly in the U.S. than those in common law countries, like the U.K. and Canada. In short, opinion is not considered defamation in the U.S. That being said, false statements of fact that harm the reputation of an individual or business, aren't protected under Constitutional Free Speech provisions.
http://kellywarnerlaw.com/us-defamation-laws/
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: slartibartfast on October 15, 2017, 08:04:30 PM
From the original information I dont think all 8 episodes will be about this case... It will be part of the series of 8 featuring other cases.... Not 100 % but thats as I remember.
Almost certainly the reason the mccanns wont take part is because they will have no editorial control and anything they say could be edited at the discretion of the programme makers

They appear to like to be in control.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on October 15, 2017, 08:11:09 PM
Netflix will probably recoup their money,the tax payer certainly won't.

How, exactly, will Netflix recoup the £20m they are spending on this documentary, which presumably comes from monthly subscription fee profits? 
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 15, 2017, 08:17:09 PM
How, exactly, will Netflix recoup the £20m they are spending on this documentary, which presumably comes from monthly subscription fee profits?

$2.6 billion in revenue,$178 million net income for the first 3 months of 2017,whats 20 grand.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/17/15327840/netflix-earnings-report-q1-2017-subscribers-quarterly-release
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 15, 2017, 08:20:07 PM
They appear to like to be in control.

You would have to be a fool not too in this situation... Pat Brown got totally stitched up by the Australian docu makers... Remember she claimed she was suing them.... Didnt have a leg to stand on as i explained at the time
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: slartibartfast on October 15, 2017, 08:29:33 PM
You would have to be a fool not too in this situation... Pat Brown got totally stitched up by the Australian docu makers... Remember she claimed she was suing them.... Didnt have a leg to stand on as i explained at the time

But you’re a newbie 😀
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 15, 2017, 08:31:32 PM
But you’re a newbie 😀

I think ive made it clear i am not a newbie..... Even used the same email address

I wonder if amaral will take part after what happened in the Australian doc
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on October 15, 2017, 08:46:05 PM
$2.6 billion in revenue,$178 million net income for the first 3 months of 2017,whats 20 grand.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/17/15327840/netflix-earnings-report-q1-2017-subscribers-quarterly-release

The article says the documentary will cost £20 million not £20 thousand.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: G-Unit on October 15, 2017, 09:04:09 PM
I can't see what can be said that hasn't already been said. A storm in a teacup imo.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 15, 2017, 09:12:30 PM
The article says the documentary will cost £20 million not £20 thousand.

My bad.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 15, 2017, 09:23:41 PM
I can't see what can be said that hasn't already been said. A storm in a teacup imo.

More of a damp suib in a teacup... They will go with the available evidence.... No real evidence to implicate the mccanns.... And everything pointing to Abduction... Imo
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on October 15, 2017, 10:40:13 PM
I think ive made it clear i am not a newbie..... Even used the same email address

I wonder if amaral will take part after what happened in the Australian doc

I have reassigned your posts davel.  Welcome home!
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 15, 2017, 10:41:42 PM
I have reassigned your posts davel.  Welcome home!

Thank you John
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: carlymichelle on October 16, 2017, 02:17:42 AM
i wonder if australian netflix will get this??
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on October 16, 2017, 06:54:10 AM
i wonder if australian netflix will get this??

Is Netflix yet another entity out to make money on the back of a child's misfortune?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 16, 2017, 08:55:31 AM
Is Netflix yet another entity out to make money on the back of a child's misfortune?

I believe they made one on J Bennett,so possibly consistent, I guess they liken the McCann mystery to that as not being solved and is it likey to be?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on October 16, 2017, 09:12:54 AM
i wonder if australian netflix will get this??

I guess they'll be aiming for world-wide distribution
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 16, 2017, 09:23:30 AM
Will it ever be made
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 17, 2017, 02:31:16 PM
Will it ever be made

They are on a sticky wicket on this one imo.  Producing an accurate documentary about the Maddie case will involve making the public aware of everything that went on and that includes Oakley and Metodo 3.  Anything less than that would be nothing more than a sham.

Maybe Netflix can find out who instructed M3 and Correia to go after Goncalo Amaral.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on October 17, 2017, 03:00:44 PM
If they are going to do it in detail, perhaps it will be an 8 parter rather than just one episode.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on October 17, 2017, 04:48:59 PM
They are on a sticky wicket on this one imo.  Producing an accurate documentary about the Maddie case will involve making the public aware of everything that went on and that includes Oakley and Metodo 3.  Anything less than that would be nothing more than a sham.

Maybe Netflix can find out who instructed M3 and Correia to go after Goncalo Amaral.

I can see that accusation being made on a few of the McCann unfriendly internet sites, but apart from that, no other provenance ... and as far as I can recall the reverse was true with Amaral trying to have Correia committed to an asylum for the insane.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4719.msg170725#msg170725
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on October 17, 2017, 06:25:46 PM
I can see that accusation being made on a few of the McCann unfriendly internet sites, but apart from that, no other provenance ... and as far as I can recall the reverse was true with Amaral trying to have Correia committed to an asylum for the insane.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4719.msg170725#msg170725

Correia admitted himself he had been paid by Metodo3.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on October 17, 2017, 07:02:28 PM
Correia admitted himself he had been paid by Metodo3.

Was that before or after Amaral had been made an arguido in the Cipriano case?

Anyone care to speculate how much airtime Pulse will allocate to informing the viewers of the first coordinators chequered personal & professional life?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 17, 2017, 07:17:24 PM
https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/spanish-detectives-asked-me-to-arrange.html
This always worth a rerun.
The interview with Jose Leite.

"«O Crime» - What do you intend to reveal in this book of yours?

Marcos Aragão – In the book «The Little Girls that Came from the Stars» I mix true facts with romanced ones, approaching new aspects of the private investigation that Maddie’s parents carried out into their daughter’s disappearance".


Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on October 17, 2017, 07:25:43 PM
Was that before or after Amaral had been made an arguido in the Cipriano case?

Anyone care to speculate how much airtime Pulse will allocate to informing the viewers of the first coordinators chequered personal & professional life?

Does it matter ?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on October 17, 2017, 07:34:09 PM
Does it matter ?

Yes, I think it does as much of the continuing negativity towards the McCanns is bolstered by Amaral's accusations. When a person is being accused of a serious criminal matter which extends outside the libel protection granted to serving police officers, it seems fair to question the character of the accuser. Wouldn't you agree that's what a balanced documentary should do?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 17, 2017, 08:00:27 PM
Yes, I think it does as much of the continuing negativity towards the McCanns is bolstered by Amaral's accusations. When a person is being accused of a serious criminal matter which extends outside the libel protection granted to serving police officers, it seems fair to question the character of the accuser. Wouldn't you agree that's what a balanced documentary should do?
With all due respect Misty, you have absolutely no evidence that much of the negativity towards the McCanns is down to Amaral. It is with heads in sand that this myth is circulating among the less gullible among us.

I wonder if you are really sure about what you are suggesting in that 'he who has not sinned may cast the first stone'! rhetoric?   cite for this: is man who wrote a book called bible.

Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on October 17, 2017, 08:08:52 PM
With all due respect Misty, you have absolutely no evidence that much of the negativity towards the McCanns is down to Amaral. It is with heads in sand that this myth is circulating among the less gullible among us.

I wonder if you are really sure about what you are suggesting in that 'he who has not sinned may cast the first stone'! rhetoric?   cite for this: is man who wrote a book called bible.



I think you have misunderstood what I wrote. It is the character of the r***** (sic) which should be examined. In the McCanns case, the victims (and many of their family/friends) have already been dredged through the court of public opinion.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 17, 2017, 08:49:48 PM
I think you have misunderstood what I wrote. It is the character of the r***** (sic) which should be examined. In the McCanns case, the victims (and many of their family/friends) have already been dredged through the court of public opinion.

The McCanns behaviour is judged as they judged others... seems fairy nuff fairy likwid %£&)**# 8**8:/: 8@??)( @)(++(* 8)-))) 8(>(( 8(0(* *&*%£ *&*%£
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 17, 2017, 09:10:08 PM
Does it matter ?

Not really!
It seems to escape alot of people's attention that Sr Amaral is irrelevant to anything that happened in the McCann case before say 22:41 on 3rd May 2007.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on October 17, 2017, 09:35:06 PM
Not really!
It seems to escape alot of people's attention that Sr Amaral is irrelevant to anything that happened in the McCann case before say 22:41 on 3rd May 2007.

The documentary is about Madeleine McCann; therefore he was/is very relevant to the documentary. IMO.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 17, 2017, 09:42:46 PM
Not really!
It seems to escape alot of people's attention that Sr Amaral is irrelevant to anything that happened in the McCann case before say 22:41 on 3rd May 2007.


Indeed, and I mentioned in a previous post which was swiped, I do hope Netflix delve deep into- the before 22.41 on 3rd May 2007, I also hope they are not afraid to look beyond the  'doctor' status.

 And look at ALL witnesses not just the Tapas, who can barley recall anything of any importance- strange when you think of how much of an important occasion it was- child disappearing an all.

Yes Alice...the book burners indeed...
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 17, 2017, 09:46:58 PM
The documentary is about Madeleine McCann; therefore he was/is very relevant to the documentary. IMO.

In my most humble opinion...HE has nothing to do with the disappearance.Or are you suggesting he is in some way involved? 
.Or are you thinking about justice for the parents- Which they seemed to have escaped any retribution at all for their negligent behaviour towards their daughter...
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 17, 2017, 09:50:40 PM
IMHO It is totally relevant that the policeman who initially led the case and accused the mccanns has a conviction for dishonesty
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on October 17, 2017, 09:54:29 PM
In my most humble opinion...HE has nothing to do with the disappearance.Or are you suggesting he is in some way involved? 
.Or are you thinking about justice for the parents- Which they seemed to have escaped any retribution at all for their negligent behaviour towards their daughter...

The current situation is that nobody has yet been publicly identified as being involved in Madeleine's disappearance. As such, how would you anticipate Pulse Films making a documentary about it if you wish to exclude the first investigation team who promoted the most popular thesis?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on October 17, 2017, 10:06:28 PM
The current situation is that nobody has yet been publicly identified as being involved in Madeleine's disappearance. As such, how would you anticipate Pulse Films making a documentary about it if you wish to exclude the first investigation team who promoted the most popular thesis?

In the same way that Summers and wife wrote a book wthout interviewing the main protagonists, or so we are told.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on October 17, 2017, 10:06:38 PM
IMHO it is totally relevant that the policeman who initially led the case and accused the mccanns has a conviction for dishonesty

It certainly brings little credibility to the investigation.  In the UK a police officer facing criminal charges would be suspended immediately but in Portugal they appear to be allowed to continue regardless.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 17, 2017, 10:16:43 PM
It certainly brings little credibility to the investigation.  In the UK a police officer facing criminal charges would be suspended immediately but in Portugal they appear to be allowed to continue regardless.

So why do we think he was given an OBE [Order of the Big Elbow to the unitiated] early doors then?
His boss whanged him because he was a potential liability should the case ever get to court.
Government complaints and conspiracy theories my ass.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 17, 2017, 10:18:03 PM
So why do we think he was given an OBE [Order of the Big Elbow to the unitiated] early doors then?
His boss whanged him because he was a potential liability should the case ever get to court.
Government complaints and conspiracy theories my ass.

Totlly agree
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on October 17, 2017, 10:22:46 PM
So why do we think he was given an OBE [Order of the Big Elbow to the unitiated] early doors then?
His boss whanged him because he was a potential liability should the case ever get to court.
Government complaints and conspiracy theories my ass.

Spot on, Alice. It's a shame the man himself can't see it.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 17, 2017, 10:46:06 PM
Just looking at the thread title... and yeah  Netflix doing a program on Maddies Disappearance... not a program about convicted police officers, that would be another program I suspect. But anything that takes away the parets responsibility is a good thing right?

Swiping ...3....2...1 !

Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 17, 2017, 10:48:27 PM
Just looking at the thread title... and yeah  Netflix doing a program on Maddies Disappearance... not a program about convicted police officers, that would be another program I suspect. But anything that takes away the parets responsibility is a good thing right?

Swiping ...3....2...1 !

It was angelo who introduced amaral to the thread
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on October 18, 2017, 01:15:09 AM
Just looking at the thread title... and yeah  Netflix doing a program on Maddies Disappearance... not a program about convicted police officers, that would be another program I suspect. But anything that takes away the parets responsibility is a good thing right?

Swiping ...3....2...1 !

I don't see how any documentary maker worth his salt could make a credible TV series about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann without looking at the chief investigator and those involved in the attempt to destroy him.  It would be like a rerun of Red Riding Hood without the big bad wolf.  Madeleine and Amaral are forever intrinsically linked and there is no getting away from it, you cannot have one without the other.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on October 18, 2017, 01:27:22 AM
In my most humble opinion...HE has nothing to do with the disappearance.Or are you suggesting he is in some way involved? 
.Or are you thinking about justice for the parents- Which they seemed to have escaped any retribution at all for their negligent behaviour towards their daughter...

OMG!

You dont really mean that, do you?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 18, 2017, 11:55:00 AM
Spot on, Alice. It's a shame the man himself can't see it.

Indeed. I opined this a few years ago on this very forum only to be told I was talking blx.
"It's a funny old game Saint".

Him being whanged for being a potential liablity is a stand alone item. ie the action itself does not of necessity negate any of his theories.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 18, 2017, 12:59:13 PM
Indeed. I opined this a few years ago on this very forum only to be told I was talking blx.
"It's a funny old game Saint".

Him being whanged for being a potential liablity is a stand alone item. ie the action itself does not of necessity negate any of his theories.

His theories are negated by the lack of evidence to support the them and the weakness if the evidence he uses...imo....of course
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on October 18, 2017, 01:29:46 PM
Indeed. I opined this a few years ago on this very forum only to be told I was talking blx.
"It's a funny old game Saint".

Him being whanged for being a potential liablity is a stand alone item. ie the action itself does not of necessity negate any of his theories.

Would I be right in thinking that, after writing his book about the investigation, any evidence acquired against the McCanns under his tenure would be inadmissible in court should they ever face prosecution?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on October 18, 2017, 01:43:37 PM
If the McCanns are ever prosecuted, it will be down to a lot more evidence than Amaral ever amassed .  IMO
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on October 18, 2017, 02:01:31 PM
If the McCanns are ever prosecuted, it will be down to a lot more evidence than Amaral ever amassed .  IMO

My worry is that all evidence against anyone acquired under Amaral's tenure could be declared invalid under the Portuguese justice system, in light of Cristovao's recent trial being aborted due to the manner in which the evidence against him was collected.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 18, 2017, 03:17:42 PM
Would I be right in thinking that, after writing his book about the investigation, any evidence acquired against the McCanns under his tenure would be inadmissible in court should they ever face prosecution?
Amaral must have known that would be the case...imo..
So if he really suspected them why did he write a book that would prevent a prosecution...it makes no sense...imo
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: kizzy on October 18, 2017, 04:30:59 PM
Amaral must have known that would be the case...imo..
So if he really suspected them why did he write a book that would prevent a prosecution...it makes no sense...imo


IMO he knew they would never get prosecuted, but did what he could to show the other side of the so called abduction.

The only way he could, an thanks to the mccanns people are still reading that book now.

All these years later.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on October 18, 2017, 04:50:26 PM
Amaral must have known that would be the case...imo..
So if he really suspected them why did he write a book that would prevent a prosecution...it makes no sense...imo

I think if he ever really did suspect the McCanns the forensic reports must have crystallised the realisation that he had wasted months following entirely the wrong leads.

I think there may be a tendency to consider Madeleine's case in isolation; ignoring the background material which may have been an influence in how it was perceived and the haste in which it was thought necessary to 'solve' it.

Portugal was still smarting from the Casa Pia child abuse scandal and although the British press seemed ignorant of it at the time (judicial secrecy?) the residue from the Cipriano case must in my opinion, have played a role in the thinking of those in the know.
None more so than Goncalo Amaral who was an arguido.

Taking all the factors into account, I think there may be a story to tell were the information academically researched.  Whether Netflix are the ones to do that remains to be seen although I believe they have researchers in the field working Madeleine's case.  Having read about their treatment of JonBenét's case I doubt anything other than sensationalism and profit is the motivation.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on October 18, 2017, 04:52:21 PM
Amaral must have known that would be the case...imo..
So if he really suspected them why did he write a book that would prevent a prosecution...it makes no sense...imo

If there was never to be a prosecution, the McCanns would never have been legally able to defend themselves against his thesis in a criminal court (where it really mattered).
If Madeleine was never found, alive or dead, there would never be any prosecution, let alone against the McCanns.
So, the suspicion against the McCanns would always remain.

He thought he'd covered all bases - except the one which involved the Met examining all the evidence again. The Met found Crecheman (curious that Rebelo didn't)...and I've covered that elsewhere.

All IMO.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 18, 2017, 04:57:36 PM
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Would I be right in thinking that, after writing his book about the investigation, any evidence acquired against the McCanns under his tenure would be inadmissible in court should they ever face prosecution?
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I wouldn't know. The PP of course is in charge of all this hooha so I would expect him to be very circumspect in what he chose as the main planks of any prosecution that may ensue. Don't lose sight of the fact that Portuguese trials are actually adversarial although not in the manner we in the UK are familiar with.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 18, 2017, 05:07:11 PM
His theories are negated by the lack of evidence to support the them and the weakness if the evidence he uses...imo....of course
No theory has actually been negated where it counts i.e in a court of law.
The filing [archiving] process in Portuguese law does not examine the merits of the proceedings to that point in time.
As it sits at the moment it's all up for grabs.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 18, 2017, 05:53:05 PM
No theory has actually been negated where it counts i.e in a court of law.
The filing [archiving] process in Portuguese law does not examine the merits of the proceedings to that point in time.
As it sits at the moment it's all up for grabs.

The evidence he used to reach his conclusions has been negated....which negated his conclusions..imo
It is significant that his theories were not supported by sufficient evidence for them to be tested in a court of law
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on October 18, 2017, 06:36:07 PM
The evidence he used to reach his conclusions has been negated....which negated his conclusions..imo
It is significant that his theories were not supported by sufficient evidence for them to be tested in a court of law

If he agrees to be interviewed in a Netflix documentary it is certainly an issue which it would be valid to raise with him ... his theory in my opinion stood or fell by the final result of forensic tests carried out by the FSS.

His theory obviously failed that recognised measure of proof represented in the final forensic results ... usually that is sufficient to discard a disproved idea to the vault of history.
Officially it did ... if not charges would have been laid and a criminal trial would have ensued ... the fact that did not happen proves - in my opinion - the Amaral theory without substance in its entirety and wrong.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 18, 2017, 06:40:54 PM
As a reminder, no theory has been disproved or proved.

As we know, OPINIONS COUNT FOR NOTHING..............., without evidence.

If posters claim there is evidence for any theory, THEN CITE IT, noting the previous sentence.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 18, 2017, 06:41:18 PM
If he agrees to be interviewed in a Netflix documentary it is certainly an issue which it would be valid to raise with him ... his theory in my opinion stood or fell by the final result of forensic tests carried out by the FSS.

His theory obviously failed that recognised measure of proof represented in the final forensic results ... usually that is sufficient to discard a disproved idea to the vault of history.
Officially it did ... if not charges would have been laid and a criminal trial would have ensued ... the fact that did not happen proves - in my opinion - the Amaral theory without substance in its entirety and wrong.

Yet for all their bluster,SY can't come up with a credible alternative.
I wonder if flix will cover them.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 18, 2017, 06:45:05 PM
Yet for all their bluster,SY can't come up with a credible alternative.
I wonder if flix will cover them.
SY obviously believe they have....it would be interesting to know how they reached their decision
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 18, 2017, 06:46:20 PM
SY obviously believe they have....it would be interesting to know how they reached their decision

Lack of progress suggests otherwise imo.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on October 18, 2017, 06:50:45 PM
As a reminder, no theory has been disproved or proved.

As we know, OPINIONS COUNT FOR NOTHING..............., without evidence.

If posters claim there is evidence for any theory, THEN CITE IT, noting the previous sentence.

As you say:
"As we know, OPINIONS COUNT FOR NOTHING..............., without evidence." 

Is exactly the point being made in previous posts and indeed, Netflix may take an alternative tack reflecting that truth in their forthcoming documentary.

As it stands ... why would they spend too much time on a dis-proven theory?

Why not indeed if they think there is profit in it?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 18, 2017, 06:52:49 PM
As you say:
"As we know, OPINIONS COUNT FOR NOTHING..............., without evidence." 

Is exactly the point being made in previous posts and indeed, Netflix may take an alternative tack reflecting that truth in their forthcoming documentary.

As it stands ... why would they spend too much time on a dis-proven theory?

Why not indeed if they think there is profit in it?

What dis-proven theory ?

The case remains unsolved, no matter the hype.

One final lead, or words to that effect............................
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 18, 2017, 06:55:46 PM
As a reminder, no theory has been disproved or proved.

As we know, OPINIONS COUNT FOR NOTHING..............., without evidence.

If posters claim there is evidence for any theory, THEN CITE IT, noting the previous sentence.
Redwood clearly stated that they believed Maddie was abducted based on the evidence....we just don't know what evidence he was referring to.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on October 18, 2017, 07:05:04 PM
What dis-proven theory ?

The case remains unsolved, no matter the hype.

One final lead, or words to that effect............................

Without opinion, there is nothing left to discuss. Is it your wish that discussion ceases?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 18, 2017, 07:08:33 PM
Without opinion, there is nothing left to discuss. Is it your wish that discussion ceases?

I hope your intention is not to goad.

I have said nothing about stopping discussion, and mere discussion won't solve this case.

FACTS DO, along with evidence.

So Misty, do you have any CITES to show an abduction happened ?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on October 18, 2017, 07:15:27 PM
I hope your intention is not to goad.

I have said nothing about stopping discussion, and mere discussion won't solve this case.

FACTS DO, along with evidence.

So Misty, do you have any CITES to show an abduction happened ?

Most of us realise that discussion here & elsewhere will not solve the case.
Most of us realise that we do not have sight of all the facts or evidence in the case.
Most of us realise that we have to opine based on our own interpretation of the available information.
The cite for abduction is a)Mark Rowley's statement & b) Pedro do Carmo stating the McCanns are not suspects.

What evidence, with cites, do you have to show an abduction did not occur?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 18, 2017, 07:17:40 PM
Most of us realise that discussion here & elsewhere will not solve the case.
Most of us realise that we do not have sight of all the facts or evidence in the case.
Most of us realise that we have to opine based on our own interpretation of the available information.
The cite for abduction is a)Mark Rowley's statement & b) Pedro do Carmo stating the McCanns are not suspects.

What evidence, with cites, do you have to show an abduction did not occur?

Mark Rowley and Carmo provided no evidence whatsoever of abduction.

Why do you think Rowley  referred to multiple hypotheses ?

What is Rowley's day to day contribution to the investigation ?

Or is he merely a spokesman and nothing more ?

Now what evidence do you have to show one of the other two scenarios did not occur ?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on October 18, 2017, 07:23:45 PM
Mark Rowley and Carmo provided no evidence whatsoever of abduction.

Now what evidence do you have to show one of the other two scenarios did not occur ?

The police have no obligation to provide the public with any evidence. The limited information they have officially provided tells us that they are not looking at the parents but primarily at abduction. I don't think it can be any clearer than that.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 18, 2017, 07:25:47 PM
Mark Rowley and Carmo provided no evidence whatsoever of abduction.

Now what evidence do you have to show one of the other two scenarios did not occur ?

The fact that neither the Portuguese nor SY are treating the McCann's as suspects is evidence of their non involvement
The archiving report said woke and wandered was highly unlikely..... could  you explain any reason why neither police force suspect the parents

With both scenarios so unlikely it makes the third highly likely
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on October 18, 2017, 07:27:38 PM
Members reminded that the topic is the proposed documentary by Netflix ... please try not to stray too far from that.

Thank you
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 18, 2017, 07:29:44 PM
The police have no obligation to provide the public with any evidence. The limited information they have officially provided tells us that they are not looking at the parents but primarily at abduction. I don't think it can be any clearer than that.

They haven't solved the case.

Likewise, we also know SY never formally interviewed the McCann's, yet others were, under the watch of the Portuguese.

Failing to formally interview the McCann's and their companions was a fundamental error.

Now can you provide other examples OF OTHER CASES OF MISSING CHILDREN where UK Police did not formally interview the parents, friends or members of the family ?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 18, 2017, 07:30:27 PM
The police have no obligation to provide the public with any evidence. The limited information they have officially provided tells us that they are not looking at the parents but primarily at abduction. I don't think it can be any clearer than that.

I would not be rash enough to lay my purse on anything The Peelers said publicly during an active investigation.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on October 18, 2017, 07:35:30 PM
I would not be rash enough to lay my purse on anything The Peelers said publicly during an active investigation.

As none of the Tapas 9 will be contributing to the documentary & the police obviously won't provide any fresh information for them, I'll keep my wager on the PJ & Met not misleading us in any way. There is nothing else to consider.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 18, 2017, 07:36:46 PM
Yet for all their bluster,SY can't come up with a credible alternative.
I wonder if flix will cover them.

If one is rash enough to believe statements made for public consumption specifically Mr Rowley's remark about relying on information garnered by the original investigation, then OG is largely window dressing.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on October 18, 2017, 07:39:20 PM
If one is rash enough to believe statements made for public comsumption specifically Mr Rowley's remark about relying on information garnered by the original investigation, then OG is largely window dressing.

Have you considered that information uncovered by the Met meant that the group did not need to be questioned again?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 18, 2017, 07:41:20 PM
As none of the Tapas 9 will be contributing to the documentary & the police obviously won't provide any fresh information for them, I'll keep my wager on the PJ & Met not misleading us in any way. There is nothing else to consider.

OK the winner buys the drinks  8(0(*
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 18, 2017, 07:41:59 PM
Have you considered that information uncovered by the Met meant that the group did not need to be questioned again?

As a matter of normal police practice, the parents and associates, should have been formally questioned.

After all, Murat was.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on October 18, 2017, 07:44:27 PM
I would not be rash enough to lay my purse on anything The Peelers said publicly during an active investigation.

Absolutely right Alice, the cops never give anything up voluntarily.  When they do release information into the public domain there is usually an ulterior motive behind it.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on October 18, 2017, 07:46:18 PM
As a matter of normal police practice, the parents and associates, should have been formally questioned.

After all, Murat was.

They had all spoken to Dave Edgar, probably in far greater depth & with better understanding than with the PJ. SY were given the files.
Murat will no doubt make an appearance in the Netflix documentary. Maybe he will even bring himself to mention Madeleine by name or express regret she is still missing.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 18, 2017, 07:47:47 PM
They haven't solved the case.

Likewise, we also know SY never formally interviewed the McCann's, yet others were, under the watch of the Portuguese.

Failing to formally interview the McCann's and their companions was a fundamental error.

Now can you provide other examples OF OTHER CASES OF MISSING CHILDREN where UK Police did not formally interview the parents, friends or members of the family ?

The McCann's already have been extensively interviewed a Nd it's obvious they would have been interviewed as witnesses nothing by SY imo
If you are going to criticise SY then you need to explain why the Portuguese have not reinterviewed
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: G-Unit on October 18, 2017, 07:48:06 PM
Have you considered that information uncovered by the Met meant that the group did not need to be questioned again?

No, because both Rowley and Foy said the evidence from the first investigation is what they used.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on October 18, 2017, 07:50:30 PM
As a matter of normal police practice, the parents and associates, should have been formally questioned.

After all, Murat was.

I agree, there was a criminal conspiracy after the fact, this must be investigated.


Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 18, 2017, 07:52:35 PM
They had all spoken to Dave Edgar, probably in far greater depth & with better understanding than with the PJ. SY were given the files.
Murat will no doubt make an appearance in the Netflix documentary. Maybe he will even bring himself to mention Madeleine by name or express regret she is still missing.

Of what value is Edgar ?

Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 18, 2017, 07:57:13 PM
I agree, there was a criminal conspiracy after the fact, this must be investigated.
Is that the same as their pact of silence?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on October 18, 2017, 07:59:44 PM
Of what value is Edgar ?

Infinitely more valuable than Colin Sutton, who never spoke to the Tapas 9 or saw any of the official files.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 18, 2017, 08:17:15 PM
Infinitely more valuable than Colin Sutton, who never spoke to the Tapas 9 or saw any of the official files.

Really ?

Edgar worked for the McCann's.

I know whom I would trust of the two.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 18, 2017, 08:52:18 PM
I agree, there was a criminal conspiracy after the fact, this must be investigated.

Criminal conspiracy?.... By the McCann's?

The McCanns will have been questioned as witnesses.....if any anomalies had arisen they could have been cautioned

Can anyone give a reason why the Portuguese did not question the McCanns
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 18, 2017, 09:32:18 PM
Criminal conspiracy?.... By the McCann's?

The McCanns will have been questioned as witnesses.....if any anomalies had arisen they could have been cautioned

Can anyone give a reason why the Portuguese did not question the McCanns

They were questioned by police in Portugual- Kate refused to answer. And as we are now further on, It is clear the questions the Tapas did answer - the police didn't seem to believe them.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 18, 2017, 09:48:33 PM
They were questioned by police in Portugual- Kate refused to answer. And as we are now further on, It is clear the questions the Tapas did answer - the police didn't seem to believe them.
It seems the Portuguese believe them now

Kate answered many hours of questions in Portugal
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 18, 2017, 09:55:28 PM
It seems the Portuguese believe them now

Kate answered many hours of questions in Portugal

I do wonder where you get that impression Davel , as the PJ have not uttered one word to anyone about what is going on within their closed circle. And OG are only giving us basic information and this is only because they are seeking further funding and that is sparse as they are saying they have a 'lead'.

  oooh oh wow... have they not had thousands of them already ?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 18, 2017, 09:57:12 PM
I do wonder where you get that impression Davel , as the PJ have not uttered one word to anyone about what is going on within their closed circle. And OG are only giving us basic information and this is only because they are seeking further funding and that is sparse as they are saying they have a 'lead'.

  oooh oh wow... have they not had thousands of them already ?

Pedro de Carmo has said they are not suspects
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 18, 2017, 10:12:40 PM
Pedro de Carmo has said they are not suspects

Can you clarify this for me please. who is he? what is his position at present in the investigation? and what are they not suspected of?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 18, 2017, 10:42:35 PM
Can you clarify this for me please. who is he? what is his position at present in the investigation? and what are they not suspected of?

You mean you don't know who he is
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 18, 2017, 11:07:50 PM
Pedro de Carmo has said they are not suspects

There is no doubt that is exactly what he said [given the translations are correct].
The trick is understanding what is meant by what he said in the context of Portuguese legal processes and the implications thereof.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on October 18, 2017, 11:59:07 PM
Pedro de Carmo has said they are not suspects

Aye, but suspects in what exactly.  For me there has been more than one crime perpetrated.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on October 19, 2017, 12:09:48 AM
Aye, but suspects in what exactly.  For me there has been more than one crime perpetrated.
Oooo-er, more than one crime perpetrated?

Can you enlighten us please, John?   TY
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 19, 2017, 11:11:23 AM
Oooo-er, more than one crime perpetrated?

Can you enlighten us please, John?   TY

I can think of a few which fit the bill. 
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 19, 2017, 11:55:15 AM
Pedro de Carmo has said they are not suspects

To be a suspect in Portuguese law,one has to be an arguido,they are not arguidos,ergo not suspects.imo.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 19, 2017, 12:33:12 PM
I disagree.

Explain why then in your humble opinion does Arguido translate to named suspect or formal suspect,ergo the McCann are not suspects in Portuguse law.Pedro de Carmo could not be more specific.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 19, 2017, 12:39:27 PM
Explain why then in your humble opinion does Arguido translate to named suspect or formal suspect,ergo the McCann are not suspects in Portuguse law.Pedro de Carmo could not be more specific.

Because before being made an arguido the person has to be suspected of committing a crime and is therefore a suspect before being made arguido
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on October 19, 2017, 12:41:17 PM
To be a suspect in Portuguese law,one has to be an arguido,they are not arguidos,ergo not suspects.imo.

There has been quite a bit of discussion on the forum regarding the Arguido status.  As I understand it
Should a person of interest be questioned under caution and subsequently released without charge ... end of.  The question perhaps is, why do people who understand that concept of British law fail to grasp the similar Portuguese concept.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 19, 2017, 01:43:33 PM
The McCanns are not innocent of anything because a crime has not been identified and they have not been declared innocent by any court of law. This is a fact. They are also not guilty of anything because as has been said no crime has been identified and pursued in a court of law.


Amended   RE:NETFLIX  (for those who thought words without quotation marks was a quote) &%+((£

I for one are hoping that the following will be mentioned;
The Tapas are quite happy to move on with their lives in tact. because they said they checked their children and that made them great, loving parents... their opinion not shared by many thousands of people. As there are many other forums where this is discussed in detail without supporters of these parents who allowed this to happen to a 3 year old girl are not allowed cart blanche power to gag the truth no matter how unpleasant it is.

This is not trolling against the McCanns it is telling it like it is from a non supporter point of view.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 19, 2017, 01:49:13 PM
My belief is that in order to understand the intricacies and thus the real meaning one needs to be conversant* with Portuguese law and fluent in the language.
One suspects one has more thumbs on one hand than the number of people on this forum who satisfy those conditions.

*As in studied or practiced it in one form or another rather than Googled it.




Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 19, 2017, 01:56:41 PM
My belief is that in order to understand the intricacies and thus the real meaning one needs to be conversant* with Portuguese law and fluent in the language.
One suspects one has more thumbs on one hand than the number of people on this forum who satisfy those conditions.

*As in studied or practiced it in one form or another rather than Googled it.

My belief is that it means the McCann's are not suspects in this investigation
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 19, 2017, 02:00:52 PM
My belief is that it means the McCann's are not suspects in this investigation

Interesting...  as a belief- However as this investigation is covering many theories which one are they not suspects in I wonder... &%+((£

My answer is: I do not know.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 19, 2017, 02:02:48 PM
Pedro de Carmo has said they are not suspects

To be a suspect in Portuguese law,one has to be an arguido,they are not arguidos,ergo not suspects.imo.

Explain why then in your humble opinion does Arguido translate to named suspect or formal suspect,ergo the McCann are not suspects in Portuguse law.Pedro de Carmo could not be more specific.

My belief is that in order to understand the intricacies and thus the real meaning one needs to be conversant* with Portuguese law and fluent in the language.
One suspects one has more thumbs on one hand than the number of people on this forum who satisfy those conditions.

*As in studied or practiced it in one form or another rather than Googled it.

My belief is that it means the McCann's are not suspects in this investigation

Seems as if we have some accord then,not arguidos,ergo not suspects.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 19, 2017, 02:03:03 PM
Interesting...  as a belief- However as this investigation is covering many theories which one are they not suspects in I wonder... &%+((£

My answer is: I do not know.

PDC said they were not suspects ...period
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 19, 2017, 02:07:48 PM
The McCanns are not innocent of anything because a crime has not been identified and they have not been declared innocent by any court of law. This is a fact. They are also not guilty of anything because as has been said no crime has been identified and pursued in a court of law.
NETFLIX

I for one are hoping that the following will be mentioned;
The Tapas are quite happy to move on with their lives in tact. because they said they checked their children and that made them great, loving parents... their opinion not shared by many thousands of people. As there are many other forums where this is discussed in detail without supporters of these parents who allowed this to happen to a 3 year old girl are not allowed cart blanche power to gag the truth no matter how unpleasant it is.

This is not trolling against the McCanns it is telling it like it is from a non supporter point of view.

If it goes ahead it will be interesting to see if they start at the alleged time of the reporting of the disappearance and use witness statements to follow it through.From my understanding some one as been out in Luz for the film/docu makers.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on October 19, 2017, 02:17:42 PM
Topic of the thread is Netflix plans to make a documentary on Madeleine's case ... anything else is Off Topic.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on October 19, 2017, 02:24:06 PM
I imagine that the Tapas 7 will be most unhappy about the whole business.
For 10 years they have managed to avoid much of the publicity and quietly gone about their lives.
Now they stand to be exposed to the glare of public scrutiny and their lives to be disrupted once more.
How they must regret ever booking that holiday.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 19, 2017, 03:04:49 PM
I imagine that the Tapas 7 will be most unhappy about the whole business.
For 10 years they have managed to avoid much of the publicity and quietly gone about their lives.
Now they stand to be exposed to the glare of public scrutiny and their lives to be disrupted once more.
How they must regret ever booking that holiday.

Yes...if they had never booked the holiday Maddie would still be here
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on October 19, 2017, 05:19:17 PM
I can think of a few which fit the bill.

You too?

Such as ?   
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Carana on October 19, 2017, 05:58:10 PM
Seems as if we have some accord then,not arguidos,ergo not suspects.

Unless the laws have changed yet again, it is actually possible to be a suspect without (yet) being an arguido.

I only spotted this as some articles in PT law use both terms, but don't clarify the difference.

Although I could be wrong, my assumption is that a suspect could simply be someone on the radar, possibly under covert surveillance... prior to the formal interview requiring that status.

It's also worth remembering that the term of "arguido" covers everything from the equivalent of an interview under caution through the entire judicial process (including what in English would be termed as defendant) until all recourses have been exhausted. You could be a mass murderer serving a life sentence, but still be referred to as an arguido until the end of the Supreme Court judgement.

Pedro do Carmo said that they were not suspects.

I've cited references numerous times.



ETA: Just seen Brietta's warning re being OT.

Re Netflix... I don't see what could be new...
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 19, 2017, 06:12:30 PM
The McCanns are not innocent of anything because a crime has not been identified and they have not been declared innocent by any court of law. This is a fact. They are also not guilty of anything because as has been said no crime has been identified and pursued in a court of law.
NETFLIX

... snip ....
Is that supposed to be a quote from Netflix? 
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Carana on October 19, 2017, 06:25:54 PM
Is that supposed to be a quote from Netflix?

I'm curious as well, Rob.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on October 19, 2017, 07:16:40 PM
I'm curious as well, Rob.
Me too.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on October 19, 2017, 07:33:08 PM

Aren't we all.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 19, 2017, 08:42:56 PM
Is that supposed to be a quote from Netflix? 

does it have quotation marks?

I'm curious as well, Rob.



Me too.


Aren't we all.


These posts should be removed as they are off Topic!   
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 19, 2017, 09:11:04 PM

Reported!

   there are no quotation marks around  MY OPINION therefore there is no cite  It is obvious to non supporters that NETFLIX is a heading, to show  a   return to the  thread!

Let it rest MTI; just snigger up your sleeve at the idea of three people owning up to being curious.
That's what comes having a society that can only communicate in 144 characters..... @)(++(*
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Carana on October 19, 2017, 11:41:06 PM
Let it rest MTI; just snigger up your sleeve at the idea of three people owning up to being curious.
That's what comes having a society that can only communicate in 144 characters..... @)(++(*

What's wrong with being curious about a statement followed by Netflix (which is already the topic of the thread), then by "snip".

It sounded to me as if it could have been a quote... hence the curiosity.

Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on October 19, 2017, 11:47:52 PM
PDC said they were not suspects ...period

Maybe if the police actually investigated the right crime instead of pussyfooting around.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on October 19, 2017, 11:53:21 PM
Maybe if the police actually investigated the right crime instead of pussyfooting around.

Sometimes people cover their tracks in such a complex way it can take the police a very long time to unravel.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Carana on October 19, 2017, 11:54:06 PM
Maybe if the police actually investigated the right crime instead of pussyfooting around.

The "right crime" being...?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on October 19, 2017, 11:58:37 PM
Oooo-er, more than one crime perpetrated?

Can you enlighten us please, John?   TY

It is well documented what went on with the Spanish private detectives Método 3 in the months after the parents were made arguidos.  Question remains however, who was giving them their orders?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 12:05:20 AM
It is well documented what went on in the months after the parents were made arguidos

The parents were made arguidos because the lead detective misunderstood the evidence...I will add imo...so the post is not removed...that's about it
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on October 20, 2017, 12:06:03 AM
It is well documented what went on in the months after the parents were made arguidos
I am still not aware of any FACTS that point to the parents and friends being implicated in anything remotely resembling a crime, John

Could you provide some of the documents please that show this

TY
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 12:06:56 AM
It is well documented what went on with the Spanish private detectives Método 3 in the months after the parents were made arguidos.  Question remains however, who was giving them their orders?

Documented where...on the morais website...that does not make it fact...imo
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 12:08:18 AM
I am still not aware of any FACTS that point to the parents and friends being implicated in anything remotely resembling a crime, John

Could you provide some of the documents please that show this

TY

Absolutely true Sadie
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on October 20, 2017, 12:09:23 AM
The parents were made arguidos because the lead detective misunderstood the evidence...I will add imo...so the post is not removed...that's about it

I believe it has already been pointed out that it is not a police function to designate anyone as an arguido.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on October 20, 2017, 12:12:15 AM
I am still not aware of any FACTS that point to the parents and friends being implicated in anything remotely resembling a crime, John

Could you provide some of the documents please that show this

TY

We know that a crime was committed, the only question is who was(were) the instigator(s)?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 12:13:57 AM
The archiving report states that all the evidence supplied to make the parents arguidos was all found to amount to nothing...let's not get away from the facts

Along with the most recent statements from both SY and the PJ this shows that the McCanns are not considered to be involved in the disappearance of their daughter..imo
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on October 20, 2017, 12:17:36 AM
The archiving report states that all the evidence supplied to make the parents arguidos was all found to amount to nothing...let's not get away from the facts

Along with the most recent statements from both SY and the PJ this shows that the McCanns are not considered to be involved in the disappearance of their daughter..imo

The archiving report was inconclusive due to a lack of evidence.  I think we can take any scrap SY throws at us with a very big pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 12:20:51 AM
The archiving report was inconclusive due to a lack of evidence.  I think we can take anything SY throws at us with a very big pinch of salt.

The archiving report was very conclusive on the evidence that was used to invoke the arguido status...it was also dismissive of woke and wandered...which leaves abduction as the most likely
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on October 20, 2017, 12:26:09 AM
We know that a crime was committed, the only question is who was(were) the instigator(s)?
Ah!

A Crime = one crime.  I am happy with that, rather than multiple crimes stated earlier.

but who was the perp?   That is the question.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on October 20, 2017, 12:36:21 AM
The archiving report was very conclusive on the evidence that was used to invoke the arguido status...it was also dismissive of woke and wandered...which leaves abduction as the most likely

An abduction based on no evidence?   @)(++(*

That must be a first for any police force.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on October 20, 2017, 12:39:44 AM
Ah!

A Crime = one crime.  I am happy with that, rather than multiple crimes stated earlier.

but who was the perp?   That is the question.

I would include conspiracy, interference with a police investigation and attempting to pervert the course of justice for starters.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 08:13:22 AM
I would include conspiracy, interference with a police investigation and attempting to pervert the course of justice for starters.


Just your opinion John...imo none of these crimes have taken place
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 20, 2017, 08:39:41 AM
The archiving report states that all the evidence supplied to make the parents arguidos was all found to amount to nothing...let's not get away from the facts

Along with the most recent statements from both SY and the PJ this shows that the McCanns are not considered to be involved in the disappearance of their daughter..imo

Yet a court which decides on the evidence gathered by such authorities concluded that the McCann's hadn't, yes hadn't been cleared of any involvement, go figure.
If memory serves the SC also had this to say,""The archiving of the case was determined by the fact that public prosecutors hadn’t managed to obtain sufficient evidence of the practice of crimes by the appellants.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 08:41:00 AM
Yet a court which decides on the evidence gathered by such authorities concluded that the McCann's hadn't, yes hadn't been cleared of any involvement, go figure.
If memory serves the SC also had this to say,""The archiving of the case was determined by the fact that public prosecutors hadn’t managed to obtain sufficient evidence of the practice of crimes by the appellants.

how can they be cleared when they have not been accused of anything...the archiving report said there wasnt any evidence against the  mccanns
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 20, 2017, 08:47:19 AM
how can they be cleared when they have not been accused of anything

I didn't write the ruling,the supreme court did,far higher an authority than you or I.It was well documented at the time.

"'It should not be said that the appellants were cleared via the ruling announcing the archiving of the criminal case.
'In truth, that ruling was not made in virtue of Portugal's Public Prosecution Service having acquired the conviction that the appellants hadn't committed a crime.
'The archiving of the case was determined by the fact that public prosecutors hadn't managed to obtain sufficient evidence of the practice of crimes by the appellants.
'There is therefore a significant, and not merely a semantic difference, between the legally admissible foundations of the archive ruling.
'It doesn't therefore seem acceptable that the ruling, based on the insufficiency of evidence, should be equated to proof of innocence.'"


Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 08:47:45 AM
I suggest posters, if they need clarification of the situation, read the Archiving Report and the Supreme Court Judgement.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 08:48:47 AM
I didn't write the ruling,the supreme court did,far higher an authority than you or I.It was well documented at the time.

"'It should not be said that the appellants were cleared via the ruling announcing the archiving of the criminal case.
'In truth, that ruling was not made in virtue of Portugal's Public Prosecution Service having acquired the conviction that the appellants hadn't committed a crime.
'The archiving of the case was determined by the fact that public prosecutors hadn't managed to obtain sufficient evidence of the practice of crimes by the appellants.
'There is therefore a significant, and not merely a semantic difference, between the legally admissible foundations of the archive ruling.
'It doesn't therefore seem acceptable that the ruling, based on the insufficiency of evidence, should be equated to proof of innocence.'"

Thank you for that Barrier, we overlapped. 8((()*/
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 08:52:18 AM
I suggest posters, if they need clarification of the situation, read the Archiving Report and the Supreme Court Judgement.

the archiving report was clear....no evidence of any crime by the mccanns.. i think that is very clear
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 08:53:47 AM
I didn't write the ruling,the supreme court did,far higher an authority than you or I.It was well documented at the time.

"'It should not be said that the appellants were cleared via the ruling announcing the archiving of the criminal case.
'In truth, that ruling was not made in virtue of Portugal's Public Prosecution Service having acquired the conviction that the appellants hadn't committed a crime.
'The archiving of the case was determined by the fact that public prosecutors hadn't managed to obtain sufficient evidence of the practice of crimes by the appellants.
'There is therefore a significant, and not merely a semantic difference, between the legally admissible foundations of the archive ruling.
'It doesn't therefore seem acceptable that the ruling, based on the insufficiency of evidence, should be equated to proof of innocence.'"

no court deals with proof of innocence so this is a very odd statement
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 20, 2017, 08:54:57 AM
the archiving report was clear....no evidence of any crime by the mccanns.. i think that is very clear

"Insufficiency" does not equate to no evidence does it?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 08:55:39 AM
It has not been determined, if there was a crime.

The judgement should be read and understood in it's entirety, rather than nit-picking sections to favour one view.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 08:56:59 AM
"Insufficiency" does not equate to no evidence does it?

The archiving report says no evidence
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 08:58:25 AM
"Insufficiency" does not equate to no evidence does it?

Indeed, as we are often reminded, a lack of evidence, does not mean it doesn't exist, or has yet to be found.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 08:59:31 AM
It has not been determined, if there was a crime.

The judgement should be read and understood in it's entirety, rather than nit-picking sections to favour one view.

It isn't not picking...it's unrealistic to post the whole report

Barrier has just quoted a section of the SC ruling not the whole report
The SC ruling is in dispute re the ECHR
Any reference to it needs to be seen in that light
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 09:00:06 AM
Indeed, as we are often reminded, a lack of evidence, does not mean it doesn't exist, or has yet to be found.
Lack of evidence is evidence of innocence
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 09:01:20 AM
YET AGAIN.............

'It doesn't therefore seem acceptable that the ruling, based on the insufficiency of evidence, should be equated to proof of innocence.'

By the way, a lack of evidence, is merely that.

It doesn't equate to innocence.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 20, 2017, 09:02:34 AM
The archiving report says no evidence
,That has been superceded by a SC court ruling,time to move on,10 yrs and still no evidence of an a abductor,save possibly for a supposed open window,yeah right!
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 09:06:32 AM
,That has been superceded by a SC court ruling,time to move on,10 yrs and still no evidence of an a abductor,save possibly for a supposed open window,yeah right!


As we know, there was no verification of the window being open, prior to Kate Mccanns visit to the apartment.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on October 20, 2017, 09:12:41 AM

As we know, there was no verification of the window being open, prior to Kate Mccanns visit to the apartment.

Please note, this does not mean that it wasn't.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 20, 2017, 09:14:45 AM
It isn't not picking...it's unrealistic to post the whole report

Barrier has just quoted a section of the SC ruling not the whole report
The SC ruling is in dispute re the ECHR
Any reference to it needs to be seen in that light

The McCann's think there might be a dispute in its ruling,the ECHR haven't decide yet have they? it needs to be seen in that light also.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 09:16:12 AM
Please note, this does not mean that it wasn't.

I am well aware of that Eleanor.

The reality is, there is very little actual tangible evidence in this case, there is though plenty of supposition from all corners.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Benice on October 20, 2017, 09:42:03 AM
I didn't write the ruling,the supreme court did,far higher an authority than you or I.It was well documented at the time.

"'It should not be said that the appellants were cleared via the ruling announcing the archiving of the criminal case.
'In truth, that ruling was not made in virtue of Portugal's Public Prosecution Service having acquired the conviction that the appellants hadn't committed a crime.
'The archiving of the case was determined by the fact that public prosecutors hadn't managed to obtain sufficient evidence of the practice of crimes by the appellants.
'There is therefore a significant, and not merely a semantic difference, between the legally admissible foundations of the archive ruling.
'It doesn't therefore seem acceptable that the ruling, based on the insufficiency of evidence, should be equated to proof of innocence.'"

A strange claim for a court to make IMO  when they can have no idea whatsoever whether:-

(1) 'sufficient' evidence against the McCanns actually exists to be found -

  or

(2)  the reason why 'sufficient' evidence was NOT found is because it simply did not exist to be found in the first place.   

They also seem to have forgotten that people are not required to provide proof of innocence and therefore it also rides roughshod over the concept, held dear in civilised countries, that every person is considered to be innocent until proven guilty.

AIMHO

Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on October 20, 2017, 09:42:38 AM
An abduction based on no evidence?   @)(++(*

That must be a first for any police force.
That is as far as you and we know.

A great deal of water has passed under the bridge since the early days John.

SY and the specialist PJ team may know the lot now and hopefully do. 
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on October 20, 2017, 09:46:06 AM
I would include conspiracy, interference with a police investigation and attempting to pervert the course of justice for starters.
Now those are BIG accusations.  Please would you elaborate.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 10:01:44 AM
A strange claim for a court to make IMO  when they can have no idea whatsoever whether:-

(1) 'sufficient' evidence against the McCanns actually exists to be found -

  or

(2)  the reason why 'sufficient' evidence was NOT found is because it simply did not exist to be found in the first place.   

They also seem to have forgotten that people are not required to provide proof of innocence and therefore it also rides roughshod over the concept, held dear in civilised countries, that every person is considered to be innocent until proven guilty.

AIMHO

The McCann's have not been ran over rough-shod.

They took their case against Amaral to court, and failed.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 10:06:18 AM
YET AGAIN.............

'It doesn't therefore seem acceptable that the ruling, based on the insufficiency of evidence, should be equated to proof of innocence.'

By the way, a lack of evidence, is merely that.

It doesn't equate to innocence.

It doesn't equate to proof of evidence is what the SC quite rightly says
It is certainly evidence of innocence imo
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 10:10:21 AM
The McCann's think there might be a dispute in its ruling,the ECHR haven't decide yet have they? it needs to be seen in that light also.

The judge in the first instance also disagreed with the SC
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 10:23:55 AM
The McCann's have not been ran over rough-shod.

They took their case against Amaral to court, and failed.
It will be interesting to see if the ECHR decide that the verdict was flawed
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: carlymichelle on October 20, 2017, 10:25:21 AM
The McCann's have not been ran over rough-shod.

They took their case against Amaral to court, and failed.
exactly supporters will never accept that though
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Benice on October 20, 2017, 10:31:33 AM
The McCann's have not been ran over rough-shod.

They took their case against Amaral to court, and failed.

I did not say 'the McCanns '- I said the 'concept' of'' Innocent until proven Guilty'' had been ridden over roughshod.

How else would you  interpret these words:

'It doesn't therefore seem acceptable that the ruling, based on the insufficiency of evidence, should be equated to proof of innocence.'"

Why are those judges even mentioning 'proof of innocence'  if they believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty?   IMO It infers that you need to provide proof of your innocence before you can be regarded as innocent in Portugal  - which is completely at odds with the concept that you are always to be regarded as innocent until proven guilty in Portugal - which they also claim to follow.   

So which concept are they claiming to adhere to with that statement IYO?    They can't have it both ways.
AIMHO 



Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 10:34:08 AM
We seem to be going away from this threads title.

if anyone wishes to start another relevant topic for matters mentioned, do so, or take their points to existing threads.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 20, 2017, 10:34:29 AM
The judge in the first instance also disagreed with the SC

How does that work,the SC came after,superseding any thing in the first instance,thats how appeals work isn't it.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 20, 2017, 10:41:37 AM
It will be interesting to see if the ECHR decide that the verdict was flawed

If anyone had their human rights breached, it was Maddie.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 10:42:17 AM
How does that work,the SC came after,superseding any thing in the first instance,thats how appeals work isn't it.
It shows that the first Portuguese judge disagreed with the SC decision which is highly significant
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 10:43:23 AM
If anyone had their human rights breached, it was Maddie.
It may well be the parents human rights have also been breached
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 10:43:33 AM
If anyone had their human rights breached, it was Maddie.

Precisely Angelo.

She should have been protected by her parents and guardians.

She eminently wasn't. IMO, of course.

Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 20, 2017, 10:44:20 AM
It shows that the first Portuguese judge disagreed with the SC decision which is highly significant

How can a decision not made be disagreed with?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 10:45:40 AM
How can a decision not made be disagreed with?

You need to think about it
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 10:46:56 AM
It may well be the parents human rights have also been breached

Perhaps you could enlighten us on that ?

The McCann's haven't been charged or arrested.

They took court action and failed.

Hardly a breach of 'human rights'.

Yet Madeleine had a right to be protected and kept safe by her parents.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 20, 2017, 10:48:42 AM
You need to think about it

Nope,tother way round,the judge made  a decision in the first instance subsequently nullified upon appeal and further appeal to the SC.Perhaps Netflix will cover this.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 10:50:07 AM
It shows that the first Portuguese judge disagreed with the SC decision which is highly significant

The only decision that matters is the latter Supreme Court judgement which stands, and which will not be revoked.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 10:50:24 AM
Perhaps you could enlighten us on that ?

The McCann's haven't been charged or arrested.

They took court action and failed.

Hardly a breach of 'human rights'.

Yet Madeleine had a right to be protected and kept safe by her parents.

Their right to a good name has not been protected.....which is a human right
Their right to be considered innocent has been affected

Imo
We await the ECHR to decide if I am right
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 10:51:20 AM
Nope,tother way round,the judge made  a decision in the first instance subsequently nullified upon appeal and further appeal to the SC.Perhaps Netflix will cover this.

Indeed.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 10:51:33 AM
The only decision that matters is the latter Supreme Court judgement which stands, and which will not be revoked.

Imo the ECHR case is of importance....as we will see
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 20, 2017, 10:52:06 AM
Their right to a good name has not been protected.....which is a human right
Their right to be considered innocent has been affected

Imo
We await the ECHR to decide if I am right

The first decision is will the ECHR decide if there is a case to answer.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 20, 2017, 10:53:32 AM
Imo the ECHR case is of importance....as we will see

So after all this you agree the judges decision in the first instance if of no importance,the final ruling by the SC is the one that matters,after all this is what the supposed ECHR case will be about.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 10:55:08 AM
Imo the ECHR case is of importance....as we will see

No it isn't.

First of all a case has to be accepted, and the acceptance rate is low.

Can you also tell me how many countries have ignored E.C.H.R. rulings ?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 10:55:29 AM
Nope,tother way round,the judge made  a decision in the first instance subsequently nullified upon appeal and further appeal to the SC.Perhaps Netflix will cover this.

The judge in the first instance decided that the McCann's should be compensated....the SC decided they should not

Therefore the judge in the first instance disagreed with the SC

This proves the SC decision is not as clear cut as posters think...imo
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 10:56:31 AM
No it isn't.

First of all a case has to be accepted, and the acceptance rate is low.

Can you also tell me how many countries have ignored E.C.H.R. rulings ?

In your opinion it isn't...in my opinion it is...as I said we will have to wait and see who is correct
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 20, 2017, 11:00:32 AM
The judge in the first instance decided that the McCann's should be compensated....the SC decided they should not

Therefore the judge in the first instance disagreed with the SC

This proves the SC decision is not as clear cut as posters think...imo

The judge in the first instance made a decision,appealed upon and ruled against,so the first judge made a mistake and it was rectified upon appeal,the SC disagreed with the first ruling not the other way around.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 11:01:04 AM
Imo a favourable ECHR ruling could have far reaching implications
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 11:02:34 AM
The judge in the first instance made a decision,appealed upon and ruled against,so the first judge made a mistake and it was rectified upon appeal,the SC disagreed with the first ruling not the other way around.

As far as I am concerned the mistake was made by the SC....that's what the ECHR will rule on...
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 11:08:53 AM
Imo a favourable ECHR ruling could have far reaching implications

Really.

What would they be ?

Bearing in mind that many countries actually ignore those rulings ?


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/856415/European-Court-of-Human-Rights-ECHR-rulings-Council-of-Europe-Thorbjorn-Jagland
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 11:19:58 AM
Really.

What would they be ?

Bearing in mind that many countries actually ignore those rulings ?


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/856415/European-Court-of-Human-Rights-ECHR-rulings-Council-of-Europe-Thorbjorn-Jagland
The SC went to great lengths to show they felt they complied with European law so that suggests they would respect any decision made in this case....if they choose to act illegally that is up to them
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 20, 2017, 11:21:55 AM
As far as I am concerned the mistake was made by the SC....that's what the ECHR will rule on...

If it gets that far.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 11:24:35 AM
If it gets that far.

As I have said we will have to wait and see...i can see no reason why the case will not be accepted...it definitely will..imo
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 11:26:13 AM
The SC went to great lengths to show they felt they complied with European law so that suggests they would respect any decision made in this case....if they choose to act illegally that is up to them

Almost 10,000 ECHR rulings have not been enforced.

'While the court makes rulings on cases and issues a judgment it does not instruct the country at fault how to implement those decisions.'

i.e. they are not effectively binding.

Also, it is May's intention to take the UK out of the ECHR.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 11:28:14 AM
Almost 10,000 ECHR rulings have not been enforced.

'While the court makes rulings on cases and issues a judgment it does not instruct the country at fault how to implement those decisions.'

i.e. they are not effectively binding.
The
Also, it is May's intention to take the UK out of the ECHR.

As I have said we will have to wait and see
May may not be pm for long
It is Portugal being part of the ECHR that is important
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 20, 2017, 11:42:21 AM
What's wrong with being curious about a statement followed by Netflix (which is already the topic of the thread), then by "snip".

It sounded to me as if it could have been a quote... hence the curiosity.

My belly laugh was at the unfinished sentence which alters the meaning.
"I am curious about.........." is the correct construction to convey what I assume was meant.
v "I am curious" which conveys the meaning that you are curious as an individual.
Humour is a good thing.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 11:45:04 AM
Quite evidently the Portuguese, as with other signatories, can't be made to enforce any decision made by any case in the ECHR.

The ECHR hasn't accepted the Mccanns case, and why should they.

Meanwhile, why haven't the Mccanns paid what they owe ?

Will they declare bankruptcy if they don't havethe funds to pay up ?

I feel sure someone on here could advise them.

Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 20, 2017, 11:45:43 AM
Imo a favourable ECHR ruling could have far reaching implications

In the fullness of time your opinion may well be shown to be incorrect.
Look up how many member states of the Council of Europe actually ignore the ECtHR rulings.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 11:49:40 AM
In the fullness of time your opinion may well be shown to be incorrect.
Look up how many member states of the Council of Europe actually ignore the ECtHR rulings.

He has been told that.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 11:49:57 AM
Quite evidently the Portuguese, as with other signatories, can't be made to enforce any decision made by any case in the ECHR.

The ECHR hasn't accepted the Mccanns case, and why should they.

Meanwhile, why haven't the Mccanns paid what they owe ?

Will they declare bankruptcy if they don't havethe funds to pay up ?

I feel sure someone on here could advise them.

I see no reason why the case will not be accepted...do you..if so state them

Have the McCanns paid...I don't know...do you...the whole situation is odd
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 11:51:18 AM
He has been told that.
Alice agrees with me that the ECHR decision may have far reaching implications...we have to wait and see
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 11:53:25 AM
I see no reason why the case will not be accepted...do you..if so state them

Have the McCanns paid...I don't know...do you...the whole situation is odd

Easy.

Their human rights have not heen breached.

Meanwhile, for the Mccanns bankruptcy,  is an option, as you have mentioned before on this forum.

Perhaps you could provide them advice on that.

Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 11:57:18 AM
Easy.

Their human rights have not heen breached.

Meanwhile, for the Mccanns bankruptcy,  is an option, as you have mentioned before on this forum.

Perhaps you could provide them advice on that.
You need to look at the reasons for acceptance...they do not include...." Their human rights have not been breached"...
That is not a valid reason
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 12:00:14 PM
You need to look at the reasons for acceptance...they do not include...." Their human rights have not been breached"...
That is not a valid reason


Why should their case be accepted ?

You have not provided a logical reason.

Nor have you replied to the point that the ECHR can't enforce it's judgrments.

Remebering of course, they are trying to take the State of Portugal to the ECHR.

The Supreme Court Judgement will remain, and the Mccanns have to pay what they owe.

No doubt on that.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 12:03:30 PM

Why should their case be accepted ?

You have not provided a logical reason.

Nor have you replied to the point that the ECHR can't enforce it's judgrments.
The case is accepted if it satisfies the acceptance criteria as most are aware...imo it does
Could you explain which criteria it does not satisfy..
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 12:04:11 PM
The case is accepted if it satisfies the acceptance criteria as most are aware...imo it does
Could you explain which criteria it does not satisfy..

What criteria would any case claimed by the Mccanns be accepted  ?

Cite.

If they refuse to pay the Portuguese, they would be on a hiding to nothing.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 12:05:46 PM
What criteria ?

Cite.
Are you not aware of the written criteria...it would be better not to make a judgement if you haven't read them
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 12:07:49 PM
Are you not aware of the written criteria...it would be better not to make a judgement if you haven't read them

On what criteria dave would a case be accepted  ?

Cite.

You are making the claim they will be accepted.

Over to you.



Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 12:21:18 PM
On what criteria dave would a case be accepted  ?

Cite.

You are making the claim they will be accepted.

Over to you.
All domestic remedies exhausted....within 6 months...damage to plaintiff
I've looked at it before and it was extensively discussed on the Amazon forum
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 12:27:05 PM
All domestic remedies exhausted....within 6 months...damage to plaintiff
I've looked at it before and it was extensively discussed on the Amazon forum

Domestic remedies dave ?

The case took place in Portugal.

The McCann's have not been arrested or put on trial.

They failed in their court case in Portugal.

What damages dave ?

They damaged themselves by their own actions.

Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 12:32:46 PM
Domestic remedies dave ?

The case took place in Portugal.

The McCann's have not been arrested or put on trial.

They failed in their court case in Portugal.

What damages dave ?

They damaged themselves by their own actions.
Domestic applies to Portugal Stephen...that is a very basic misunderstanding on your part
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 20, 2017, 12:36:18 PM
All domestic remedies exhausted....within 6 months...damage to plaintiff
I've looked at it before and it was extensively discussed on the Amazon forum

Hmmm,I wonder if winning the initial judgement acts against them,Amaral successfully had that overturned on appeal,the McCanns appealed against that decision to the SC,they upheld Amarals appeal,so just what are the McCanns going to the ECHR for? any one care for a cite rather than a paper story remembering they were not going to the ECHR in July according to another article..
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 12:36:33 PM
Domestic applies to Portugal Stephen...that is a very basic misunderstanding on your part

It doesn't matter dave.

The McCann's have no logical grounds for acceptance.

Likewise, the ECHR is effectively toothless.


Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on October 20, 2017, 12:38:58 PM

Less of the Goading.  And back On Topic, if you please.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 12:43:45 PM
It doesn't matter dave.

The McCann's have no logical grounds for acceptance.

Likewise, the ECHR is effectively toothless.

As regards grounds for acceptance you are stating your opinion as fact...it isn't

We disagree...I have researched it extensively....imo the case will be accepted and quite probably the McCanns will receive a favourable ruling...you disagree...it is absolutely pointless debating who is right or wrong...time will tell
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 12:50:13 PM
Hmmm,I wonder if winning the initial judgement acts against them,Amaral successfully had that overturned on appeal,the McCanns appealed against that decision to the SC,they upheld Amarals appeal,so just what are the McCanns going to the ECHR for? any one care for a cite rather than a paper story remembering they were not going to the ECHR in July according to another article..

I can see exactly why they are going to the ECHR....time will tell if they are successful..... debating it at this stage is pointless
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on October 20, 2017, 12:52:19 PM

I have asked for Back On Topic.  I will now be Deleting.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 20, 2017, 02:23:48 PM
As far as I am concerned the mistake was made by the SC....that's what the ECHR will rule on...

But then you are not an expert on Portuguese law while the SC judges are.  I know who's opinion I would believe first and foremost.

In any event, it doesn't matter what the ECHR decides as the decision of a national court cannot be overturned.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 20, 2017, 02:35:26 PM
I can see exactly why they are going to the ECHR....time will tell if they are successful..... debating it at this stage is pointless

They should be being investigated along with the Kennedys and the Madeleine Fund.  If they aren't I intend making a formal complaint to both the Met and the PJ about their involvement with Correia and they won't be able to ignore that one. For too long there has been a hidden agenda, let's get it all out in the open once and for all.

Watch this space!!
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 02:54:05 PM
They should be being investigated along with the Kennedys and the Madeleine Fund.  If they aren't I intend making a formal complaint to both the Met and the PJ about their involvement with Correia and they won't be able to ignore that one. For too long there has been a hidden agenda, let's get it all out in the open once and for all.

Watch this space!!

All in your opinion....and wrong in mine...please make the formal complaint....I reckon it will go straight in the bin
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 03:15:17 PM
They should be being investigated along with the Kennedys and the Madeleine Fund.  If they aren't I intend making a formal complaint to both the Met and the PJ about their involvement with Correia and they won't be able to ignore that one. For too long there has been a hidden agenda, let's get it all out in the open once and for all.

Watch this space!!

That would be interesting to see Angelo. 8((()*/
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 03:17:03 PM
But then you are not an expert on Portuguese law while the SC judges are.  I know who's opinion I would believe first and foremost.

In any event, it doesn't matter what the ECHR decides as the decision of a national court cannot be overturned.

It isnt portruguese law thats important its european law......The judge in the first instance didnt agree with the SC decision....the SC get things wrong...that is a fact borne out by other cases taken to europe....as i say time will tell
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 20, 2017, 03:23:01 PM
It isnt portruguese law thats important its european law......The judge in the first instance didnt agree with the SC decision....the SC get things wrong...that is a fact borne out by other cases taken to europe....as i say time will tell

Dave your argument is ass about face,the Judge couldn't agree nor disagree with the SC they didn't know what they would find.
Suggestion if I may,seeing as we've been warned about going off topic why not open a new thread with a case file you have tentatively mentioned above.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 03:24:53 PM
Dave your argument is ass about face,the Judge couldn't agree nor disagree with the SC they didn't know what they would find.
Suggestion if I may,seeing as we've been warned about going off topic why not open a new thread with a case file you have tentatively mentioned above.

the judge disagreed with the SC result.......she found differently
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 03:35:12 PM
They should be being investigated along with the Kennedys and the Madeleine Fund.  If they aren't I intend making a formal complaint to both the Met and the PJ about their involvement with Correia and they won't be able to ignore that one. For too long there has been a hidden agenda, let's get it all out in the open once and for all.

Watch this space!!

As there is no investigation when do you propose to make your formal complaint....I can't wait
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 03:49:16 PM
the judge disagreed with the SC result.......she found differently

Why are you twisting things.

The Supreme Court made the decusion after the first judge.

If you continue to deny what is the case, you are then undeniably trying to deflect.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 03:53:03 PM
Why are you twisting things.

The Supreme Court made the decusion after the first judge.

If you continue to deny what is the case, you are then undeniably trying to deflect.

I'm stating a fact...the judge in the first instance found differently to the SC...she came to a different conclusion...
Based on the same facts
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 04:05:25 PM
I'm stating a fact...the judge in the first instance found differently to the SC...she came to a different conclusion...
Based on the same facts

She made the first judgement.

It was incorrect.

Thw Supreme Court then made the decusion as per Portuguese Law.

Keep to the facts dave.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 04:13:21 PM
She made the first judgement.

It was incorrect.

Thw Supreme Court then made the decusion as per Portuguese Law.

Keep to the facts dave.

It is not a fact she was incorrect....the SC may be incorrect
The right to reputation is enshrined in European law and the SC made a judgement which was in their opinion consistent with European law...they may well be wrong...we will see
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 04:34:18 PM
It is not a fact she was incorrect....the SC may be incorrect
The right to reputation is enshrined in European law and the SC made a judgement which was in their opinion consistent with European law...they may well be wrong...we will see

The Mccanns had their chance to present a coherent case, and they lost.

The first judge messed up.

The Supreme  Court made their excellent decision based on law.

Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 20, 2017, 04:52:30 PM
the judge disagreed with the SC result.......she found differently

She was an idiot.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 20, 2017, 04:55:10 PM
I'm stating a fact...the judge in the first instance found differently to the SC...she came to a different conclusion...
Based on the same facts

And she was overruled by the Appeal Court subsequently confirmed by the Supreme Court.  The old davel wouldn't have made an obvious error like that.  The original judge obviously let her female empathy run away with her when she ruled in favour of the parents, not very professional imo.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on October 20, 2017, 04:57:19 PM
The Mccanns had their chance to present a coherent case, and they lost.

The first judge messed up.

The Supreme  Court made their excellent decision based on law.

Not a good idea to Libel The Judge of the First Instance.  So let's have no more of that.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 20, 2017, 04:59:59 PM
As there is no investigation when do you propose to make your formal complaint....I can't wait

I will be letting everyone know when I have filed it.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 05:02:19 PM
The Mccanns had their chance to present a coherent case, and they lost.

The first judge messed up.

The Supreme  Court made their excellent decision based on law.

I fully expect the ECHR to show that the SC "messed up"
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 05:04:43 PM
I will be letting everyone know when I have filed it.

Thanks Angelo....keep us informed...but..
I don't feel you have the evidence to support your assertion
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 05:06:35 PM
And she was overruled by the Appeal Court subsequently confirmed by the Supreme Court.  The old davel wouldn't have made an obvious error like that.  The original judge obviously let her female empathy run away with her when she ruled in favour of the parents, not very professional imo.

I expect the ECHR to rule that she was correct and the SC wrong...that's my opinion
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 05:08:41 PM
Not a good idea to Libel The Judge of the First Instance.  So let's have no more of that.

What libel Eleanor ?

She made incorrect decisions, and the Supreme Court overthrew her judgement.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 05:35:12 PM
The McCanns owe the Portuguese govt
They have an outstanding action against the Portuguese govt
It may well be they are able to delay payment pending the result of that action
No one here really knows
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 20, 2017, 05:49:29 PM
I have just seen Angelo's comment.

He expressed his opinion.

I don't agree in calling her that, but she made an erroneous judgement.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on October 20, 2017, 06:15:21 PM
Thanks Angelo....keep us informed...but..
I don't feel you have the evidence to support your assertion

On the contrary davel, there is a evidential trail reaching right back to the Madeleine Fund but I also agree that this has to be properly investigated so a formal complaint to both the Portuguese and English authorities might not be so bad an idea.  Question is though, will Netflix be brave enough to tackle it or will we be treated to yet another dumbed down version of the truth?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on October 20, 2017, 06:19:45 PM
The McCanns owe the Portuguese govt
They have an outstanding action against the Portuguese govt
It may well be they are able to delay payment pending the result of that action
No one here really knows

So they are playing for time?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 20, 2017, 06:30:09 PM
The McCanns owe the Portuguese govt
They have an outstanding action against the Portuguese govt
It may well be they are able to delay payment pending the result of that action
No one here really knows

It is hard to believe that when setting up the system in the first instance, which is as recently as 1990s, a global right of set off was incorporated. I don't see many member states holding still for that. Which is probably why the ECtHR's powers are limited.

The Court is not empowered to overrule national decisions
or annul national laws.


It seems clear enough to me. The Portuguese SC rules that the Drs McCann must pay the defendants court costs and the ECtHR has no powers by which it can overturn, modify or suspend that ruling.

http://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Questions_Answers_ENG.pdf
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 06:51:36 PM
So they are playing for time?

I think the McCanns are looking for and expecting a favourable judgement from the ECHR....a judgement that could have interesting ramifications
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: slartibartfast on October 20, 2017, 07:08:34 PM
It isn't not picking...it's unrealistic to post the whole report

Barrier has just quoted a section of the SC ruling not the whole report
The SC ruling is in dispute re the ECHR
Any reference to it needs to be seen in that light

The SC ruling stands, it may be that the McCanns are taking Portugal to the ECHR.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 07:10:53 PM
The SC ruling stands, it may be that the McCanns are taking Portugal to the ECHR.



Some of us understood that from the beginning
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 20, 2017, 07:12:06 PM
I think the McCanns are looking for and expecting a favourable judgement from the ECHR....a judgement that could have interesting ramifications

Who for,its likely to take up to 4 yrs if accepted,OG should be done and dusted by then hopefully this McCann case will be distant history.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 20, 2017, 07:47:12 PM
Who for,its likely to take up to 4 yrs if accepted,OG should be done and dusted by then hopefully this McCann case will be distant history.
You are an eternal optimist!
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 20, 2017, 07:55:32 PM
Who for,its likely to take up to 4 yrs if accepted,OG should be done and dusted by then hopefully this McCann case will be distant history.

It may or may not be
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 20, 2017, 08:02:32 PM
It is hard to believe that when setting up the system in the first instance, which is as recently as 1990s, a global right of set off was incorporated. I don't see many member states holding still for that. Which is probably why the ECtHR's powers are limited.

The Court is not empowered to overrule national decisions
or annul national laws.


It seems clear enough to me. The Portuguese SC rules that the Drs McCann must pay the defendants court costs and the ECtHR has no powers by which it can overturn, modify or suspend that ruling.

http://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Questions_Answers_ENG.pdf



The Netflix company have not divulged what kind of program it will be ie, proper independent investigative journalism- looking at the disappearance, the probable cause, the parents behaviour, the various investigations, including the PI's or if it will be a documentary-preferably-without drama.

I would love  the program makers to point out ALL of the  unanswered questions-
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 20, 2017, 08:38:51 PM
You are an eternal optimist!

Always have been.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Robittybob1 on October 21, 2017, 01:35:26 AM
Always have been.
Still makes me smile thinking "OG should be done and dusted by then hopefully this McCann case will be distant history".
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on October 21, 2017, 02:16:15 AM
Still makes me smile thinking "OG should be done and dusted by then hopefully this McCann case will be distant history".

I think Operation Grange has been an absolute farce and has tainted investigative policing.  And to be honest I don't see Netflix bringing much to the table which isn't already known to those who have followed this case in great detail.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 21, 2017, 07:47:11 AM
I think Operation Grange has been an absolute farce and has tainted investigative policing.  And to be honest I don't see Netflix bringing much to the table which isn't already known to those who have followed this case in great detail.

You may not have noticed I made no reference to Grange actually achieving anything.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 21, 2017, 09:37:28 AM
I think Operation Grange has been an absolute farce and has tainted investigative policing.  And to be honest I don't see Netflix bringing much to the table which isn't already known to those who have followed this case in great detail.

could you explain john why it is ok to critise OG and call it a farce but we are not allowed to call the initial portuguese investigation a farce
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: slartibartfast on October 21, 2017, 09:41:06 AM
could you explain john why it is ok to critise OG and call it a farce but we are not allowed to call the initial portuguese investigation a farce

It mostly depends whether you refer to the investigation or the officers.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on October 21, 2017, 09:44:03 AM
You may not have noticed I made no reference to Grange actually achieving anything.
And how do you KNOW that?   

The investigation has all been kept under wraps .. so where are you getting your information from?

Are you making it up ?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2017, 09:49:56 AM
And how do you KNOW that?   

The investigation has all been kept under wraps .. so where are you getting your information from?

Are you making it up ?

The investigation has been in the media.

e.g. Questioning of people, including Murat in Portugal. hardly under wraps.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 21, 2017, 09:53:23 AM
I think Operation Grange has been an absolute farce and has tainted investigative policing.  And to be honest I don't see Netflix bringing much to the table which isn't already known to those who have followed this case in great detail.

I think the initial Portuguese investigation was an absolute farce
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on October 21, 2017, 10:03:05 AM
The investigation has been in the media.

e.g. Questioning of people, including Murat in Portugal. hardly under wraps.
stephen please do not deviate from the line of discussion.

Barrier was talking about SY not achieving anything.  He doesn't KNOW that and I am thinking that he might be in for a big surprise
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2017, 10:08:16 AM
stephen please do not deviate from the line of discussion.

Barrier was talking about SY not achieving anything.  He doesn't KNOW that and I am thinking that he might be in for a big surprise

I am quite entitled to post as i wish, within forum rules, as you are.

The investigation has been in the media since it's onset. Do not pretend otherwise.

As to it's outcome, I have made my view clear all along, and i do not anticipate any other eventuality.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 21, 2017, 10:15:42 AM
I think the initial Portuguese investigation was an absolute farce

But you would do 😁
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 21, 2017, 10:23:25 AM
But you would do

It isnt just me ....it has been widely reported   ...I did give my reasons but they were removed
Seems it's ok for you to call a Portuguese judge an idiot but not ok for me to refer to the investigating officers as incompetent.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2017, 10:32:52 AM
It isnt just me ....it has been widely reported   ...I did give my reasons but they were removed
Seems it's ok for you to call a Portuguese judge an idiot but not ok for me to refer to the investigating officers as incompetent.

Widely reported by whom exactly ?

..and those reporting it, what is their relevant expertise ?

Do you mean Mccann supporters in the completely unbiased................. (NOT) UK Tabloid press ?  *&*%£
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 21, 2017, 10:42:23 AM
Widely reported by whom exactly ?

..and those reporting it, what is their relevant expertise ?

Do you mean Mccann supporters in the completely unbiased................. (NOT) UK Tabloid press ?  *&*%£

In several newspapers
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Benice on October 21, 2017, 10:43:02 AM
It isnt just me ....it has been widely reported   ...I did give my reasons but they were removed
Seems it's ok for you to call a Portuguese judge an idiot but not ok for me to refer to the investigating officers as incompetent

It certainly isn't just you Davel - as the following quote shows.

Quote from the President of the Portuguese Bar Association

Quote
ANTONIO MARINHO PINTO: (translated) I’m convinced the McCann case will feature in Portuguese judicial history as a bad example. What a criminal investigation should not be.
Unquote 





Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 21, 2017, 10:45:26 AM
It certainly isn't just you Davel - as the following quote shows.

Quote from the President of the Portuguese Bar Association

Quote
ANTONIO MARINHO PINTO: (translated) I’m convinced the McCann case will feature in Portuguese judicial history as a bad example. What a criminal investigation should not be.
Unquote

Thank you Benice....perhaps stephen would like to comment on that
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2017, 10:57:39 AM
It certainly isn't just you Davel - as the following quote shows.

Quote from the President of the Portuguese Bar Association

Quote
ANTONIO MARINHO PINTO: (translated) I’m convinced the McCann case will feature in Portuguese judicial history as a bad example. What a criminal investigation should not be.
Unquote

Only One quote  ? 

How many people supported the original investigation ?

P.S. That has been reported before. You do know that Benice, I presume.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2017, 10:59:19 AM
In several newspapers

Ah yes, the biased tabloid press.

 8((()*/
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on October 21, 2017, 11:08:26 AM
Initially I thought that the notion that Netflix were considering making eight documentary programmes on Madeleine's case was being a tad overambitious and came round to the conclusion that the programme on Madeleine would be one of eight different subjects.

Now I'm not too sure about that;  having read members' responses I think it possible that if Netflix researchers play their cards right, there is probably enough lucrative material out there to keep it worth their while to make a series of documentaries in rolling fashion per annum for the foreseeable future.

Everything has a beginning.
To audiences used to seeing the slick portrayal of fictional CSI ... the reality of the botched collection of what might have been trace evidence taken from Madeleine's apartment might be one of the factors to catch their immediate attention.
While some officers may have performed their duties assiduously ... in my opinion the overall approach by police leaves a lot to be desired and if it had happened in Britain would have been worthy of a police inquiry.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on October 21, 2017, 11:09:24 AM
Ah yes, the biased tabloid press.

 8((()*/

I've noticed, particularly with the tabloids but also others, that it is often an article from a single source that is picked up and repeated by the others.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Benice on October 21, 2017, 11:12:01 AM
Ah yes, the biased tabloid press.

 8((()*/

How about this article from the respected editor of a respected Portuguese newspaper?   I think we can safely say this gentleman was not impressed by the original investigation.    I think we can also safely assume that many of his readers would have agreed with him.

Expresso

(Translated by Astro)

The 'judicial secrecy' and the press' 'lies'


Henrique Monteiro, chief editor
28 July 2008

Who lied in the Maddie case?   The answer lies in what is told by former inspector Gonçalo Amaral.    All the fantastic and never proved theories that a certain press has spread are in his book.   And they remain without any evidence to sustain them.

Gonçalo Amaral must be a man who is full of himself.   He was responsible for a calamitous investigation in the 'Maddie case', but according to the balance that he does, everyone is to blame except for him.

According to Gonçalo, the blame lies with the fact that the McCanns' apartment was not preserved, with the British police that did not fully cooperate, with the journalists that stood in the way, with Her Majesty's government that pressured, with the Portuguese government that let itself be pressured, with the prosecutors, with the PJ's directors, with the conspiracy of the powerful and – if he is allowed to continue unloading – it will hit the CIA, the Masonry, Opus Dei, the Trilateral, Bildberg and the Pope, the usual suspects of the conspiracy theories that circulate on the internet.

The same inspector must not be inhibited (not to mention being ashamed), because after the suspicions that befall him due to the conduction of the 'Joana case' (another missing girl, whose mother, who was condemned over her death, accuses the PJ of torturing her) and the disaster of the 'Maddie case', he pretends to be a national hero and the holder of the truth, against everything and against everyone, and he maintains an absurd theory that does not resist a minimally structured analysis.

Amaral probably didn't think about the fact that it does not become him to talk and to write in detail about a process which – despite having been widely abused – is still under judicial secrecy, either. Or that it does not become him to be a judge in his own cause.

But the most interesting about the former inspector's book is that we get to know where the famous 'lies' from the media that everyone talked about, came from.    Finally, we can verify that the most unbelievable theories came out of that illuminated brain.  And that certain newspapers, lacking a better option, published them without contradicting, without investigating, without logics and without evidence.

But Gonçalo continues to state his 'conviction' that Maddie died in the apartment.   He must have inherited from medieval justice, this notion of 'conviction' without evidence; or from Alice, by Carrol, the idea that first the criminal's head is cut off and then the trial is done; or from 'The Foreigner', by Camus, the fixation in the importance of the criminal's "facies" or the fact whether one does or does not cry in front of death.

The lawful state bases itself on evidence, beyond doubt.   The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.

Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.

END QUOTE





   
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2017, 11:16:17 AM
How about this article from the respected editor of a respected Portuguese newspaper?   I think we can safely say this gentleman was not impressed by the original investigation.    I think we can also safely assume that many of his readers would have agreed with him.

Expresso

(Translated by Astro)

The 'judicial secrecy' and the press' 'lies'


Henrique Monteiro, chief editor
28 July 2008

Who lied in the Maddie case?   The answer lies in what is told by former inspector Gonçalo Amaral.    All the fantastic and never proved theories that a certain press has spread are in his book.   And they remain without any evidence to sustain them.

Gonçalo Amaral must be a man who is full of himself.   He was responsible for a calamitous investigation in the 'Maddie case', but according to the balance that he does, everyone is to blame except for him.

According to Gonçalo, the blame lies with the fact that the McCanns' apartment was not preserved, with the British police that did not fully cooperate, with the journalists that stood in the way, with Her Majesty's government that pressured, with the Portuguese government that let itself be pressured, with the prosecutors, with the PJ's directors, with the conspiracy of the powerful and – if he is allowed to continue unloading – it will hit the CIA, the Masonry, Opus Dei, the Trilateral, Bildberg and the Pope, the usual suspects of the conspiracy theories that circulate on the internet.

The same inspector must not be inhibited (not to mention being ashamed), because after the suspicions that befall him due to the conduction of the 'Joana case' (another missing girl, whose mother, who was condemned over her death, accuses the PJ of torturing her) and the disaster of the 'Maddie case', he pretends to be a national hero and the holder of the truth, against everything and against everyone, and he maintains an absurd theory that does not resist a minimally structured analysis.

Amaral probably didn't think about the fact that it does not become him to talk and to write in detail about a process which – despite having been widely abused – is still under judicial secrecy, either. Or that it does not become him to be a judge in his own cause.

But the most interesting about the former inspector's book is that we get to know where the famous 'lies' from the media that everyone talked about, came from.    Finally, we can verify that the most unbelievable theories came out of that illuminated brain.  And that certain newspapers, lacking a better option, published them without contradicting, without investigating, without logics and without evidence.

But Gonçalo continues to state his 'conviction' that Maddie died in the apartment.   He must have inherited from medieval justice, this notion of 'conviction' without evidence; or from Alice, by Carrol, the idea that first the criminal's head is cut off and then the trial is done; or from 'The Foreigner', by Camus, the fixation in the importance of the criminal's "facies" or the fact whether one does or does not cry in front of death.

The lawful state bases itself on evidence, beyond doubt.   The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.

Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.

END QUOTE





 

What is his expertise in police investigations ?

How many people supported his views ?

Do you think the McCann's and their entourage are popular in Portugal ?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 21, 2017, 11:20:00 AM
It isnt just me ....it has been widely reported   ...I did give my reasons but they were removed
Seems it's ok for you to call a Portuguese judge an idiot but not ok for me to refer to the investigating officers as incompetent

Could that be because the investigating judge got it totally wrong according to libel law and the jury is still out on the original investigating officers?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 21, 2017, 11:21:57 AM
In several newspapers

We all know the press and media have an ulterior motive in everything they do.

CASH   CASH  CASH  CASH and more CASH   
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 21, 2017, 11:23:09 AM
Ah yes, the biased tabloid press.

 8((()*/
Any opinion you do not like you refer to as biased
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2017, 11:26:19 AM
Any opinion you do not like you refer to as biased

The UK Tabloid press is notoriously biased in this case.

....and we have close friends of the McCann's e.g. Ms. Kandohla writing articles in the press.

Do you think that is good journalism, OR IS IT 100% BIASED ? 8)--))
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 21, 2017, 11:29:20 AM
The UK Tabloid press is notoriously biased in this case.

....and we have close friends of the McCann's e.g. Ms. Kandohla writing articles in the press.

Do you think that is good journalism, OR IS IT 100% BIASED ? 8)--))

We all know there are a lot of arse-lick journalists and editors about who are milking the golden goose at every opportunity. 
Or should that be the cash cow??   £5%4%
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: carlymichelle on October 21, 2017, 11:30:06 AM
The UK Tabloid press is notoriously biased in this case.

....and we have close friends of the McCann's e.g. Ms. Kandohla writing articles in the press.

Do you think that is good journalism, OR IS IT 100% BIASED ? 8)--))

i would  say its a  100%  biased the mcanns have many close friends in the media /online to support their properganda dont they??
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2017, 11:30:48 AM
We all know there are a lot of arse-lick journalists and editors about who are milking the golden goose at every opportunity.

Quite right Angelo.

They are major sycophants.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on October 21, 2017, 11:31:40 AM
Could that be because the investigating judge got it totally wrong according to libel law and the jury is still out on the original investigating officers?

Don't know if there was a jury, but judges at his trial and subsequent appeal had no difficulty at all in ruling on the senior investigating officer.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 21, 2017, 11:32:53 AM
i would  say its a  100%  biased the mcanns have many close friends in the media /online to support their properganda dont they??

Watch them head for the hills once the tasty revelations come out.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on October 21, 2017, 11:34:27 AM
Don't know if there was a jury, but judges at his trial and subsequent appeal had no difficulty at all in ruling on the senior investigating officer.

And several others but then we all know who was paying Correia don't we?
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Post by: Brietta on October 21, 2017, 11:36:06 AM
Reminder to members: Topic = Netflix  Thank you
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Post by: Brietta on October 21, 2017, 11:40:05 AM
And several others but then we all know who was paying Correia don't we?

Actually we don't, Angelo.

I have seen Duarte Levy making the accusation as well as others of his ilk.

I have never seen it mentioned anywhere from any reliable or reputable source?  Can you provide a link to one?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on October 21, 2017, 11:46:35 AM
Actually we don't, Angelo.

I have seen Duarte Levy making the accusation as well as others of his ilk.

I have never seen it mentioned anywhere from any reliable or reputable source?  Can you provide a link to one?

Correia himself admitted that Método 3 was paying him.  Cipriano's former lawyer João Grade stated that he too had been approached by Método 3 to 'take down' Amaral.  These events must be properly investigated and the people behind them exposed.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2017, 11:47:31 AM
Actually we don't, Angelo.

I have seen Duarte Levy making the accusation as well as others of his ilk.

I have never seen it mentioned anywhere from any reliable or reputable source?  Can you provide a link to one?

Who paid Correia ?

The trail is well known.

That has been established some time ago.

Old news.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 21, 2017, 11:47:40 AM
Correia himself admitted that Método 3 were paying him.

He was paid re the search of the dam...as I recall..
There is no evidence he was paid to go after amaral

Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2017, 11:48:28 AM
Oh dear, here we go again. 8(0(*
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Post by: Davel on October 21, 2017, 11:49:02 AM
Could we have a cute re the payment ...as per forum rules
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Post by: John on October 21, 2017, 11:50:23 AM
He was paid re the search of the dam...as I recall..
There is no evidence he was paid to go after amaral

Other than out of his own mouth. "The target has been hit"

Could we have a cute re the payment ...as per forum rules

I take it you mean a cite.  As Stephen has already pointed out, its been done to death previously.  What's needed now is a proper exposé on who exactly was calling the shots with whose cash.  Or to put it bluntly, was Madeleine Fund money used to take down Gonçalo Amaral?
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Post by: Faithlilly on October 21, 2017, 11:51:47 AM
It is well documented what went on with the Spanish private detectives Método 3 in the months after the parents were made arguidos.  Question remains however, who was giving them their orders?

Indeed John and why ?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 21, 2017, 12:20:18 PM
Other than out of his own mouth. "The target has been hit"

I take it you mean a cite.  As Stephen has already pointed out, its been done to death previously.  What's needed now is a proper exposé on who exactly was calling the shots with whose cash.  Or to put it bluntly, was Madeleine Fund money used to take down Gonçalo Amaral?

We have been through this before and as I recall there was no real evidence to support any of this. Angelos idea of reporting it to OG and the PJ  find absolutely laughable
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Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2017, 12:23:06 PM
We have been through this before and as I recall there was no real evidence to support any of this. Angelos idea of reporting it to OG and the PJ  find absolutely laughable

Yes there was, but as per normal, you ignore anything which doesn't suit your agenda and/or beliefs.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 21, 2017, 12:29:58 PM
Yes there was, but as per normal, you ignore anything which doesn't suit your agenda and/or beliefs.

no there wasnt.......I dont ignore anything. Please provide a cite
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2017, 12:39:31 PM
no there wasnt.......I dont ignore anything. Please provide a cite

If you wish to deflect, then so be it.

As John has confirmed. This matter has been dealt with extensively before.
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Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 21, 2017, 01:00:36 PM
Other than out of his own mouth. "The target has been hit"

I take it you mean a cite.  As Stephen has already pointed out, its been done to death previously.  What's needed now is a proper exposé on who exactly was calling the shots with whose cash.  Or to put it bluntly, was Madeleine Fund money used to take down Gonçalo Amaral?

Not to mention the interview with Jose Leite, linked a few days ago on this very thread.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 21, 2017, 01:04:08 PM
Not to mention the interview with Jose Leite, linked a few days ago on this very thread.

This is johns post


Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #76 on: December 23, 2016, 10:13:08 PM »
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I know we have looked at this issue previously and probably on several occasions.  There can be no doubt that Metodo 3 employed Correia but the big question is what was he employed to do?



So John clearly states he does not know what correia was paid to do.....
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on October 21, 2017, 04:00:38 PM
This is johns post


Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #76 on: December 23, 2016, 10:13:08 PM »
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I know we have looked at this issue previously and probably on several occasions.  There can be no doubt that Metodo 3 employed Correia but the big question is what was he employed to do?



So John clearly states he does not know what correia was paid to do.....

I have reinstated your post and revoked the warning.

In response to your post, it was a rhetorical question.  I know exactly why Correia was employed by Método 3 and it wasn't primarily to defend Leonora Cipriano. I like many others want to see this matter thoroughly investigated and not swept under the carpet as some would prefer.
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Post by: Davel on October 21, 2017, 04:02:59 PM
I have reinstated your post and revoked the warning.

Its was rhetorical question davel.  I know exactly why Correia was employed by Método 3 and it wasn't primarily to defend Leonora Cipriano.

Thanks John...point taken
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Post by: Brietta on October 21, 2017, 04:58:06 PM
Correia himself admitted that Método 3 was paying him.  Cipriano's former lawyer João Grade stated that he too had been approached by Método 3 to 'take down' Amaral.  These events must be properly investigated and the people behind them exposed.

Yeah I have seen that claimed, John.  Along with much else about Correia.  Where I haven't seen it is on an independent reputable source.
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Post by: John on October 21, 2017, 05:46:58 PM
Yeah I have seen that claimed, John.  Along with much else about Correia.  Where I haven't seen it is on an independent reputable source.

It has all been documented, the John Grade interview, the Correia interview outside Court when he couldn't help himself by boasting about taking Gonçalo Amaral down.  He refused to answer who paid for Cipriano's defence though, maybe a proper investigation will get further.
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Post by: Davel on October 21, 2017, 05:52:37 PM
It has all been documented, the John Grade interview, the Correia interview outside Court when he couldn't help himself by boasting about taking Gonçalo Amaral down.  He refused to answer who paid for Cipriano's defence though, maybe a proper investigation will get further.

We looked at the interview outside court before...he never said that...if Angelo wants to report it to the police he needs evidence....where is it. It's no good saying it's all been discussed before...where is the real evidence

Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on October 21, 2017, 06:10:57 PM
We looked at the interview outside court before...he never said that...if Angelo wants to report it to the police he needs evidence....where is it. It's no good saying it's all been discussed before...where is the real evidence

You are entitled to your opinion davel but there is evidence that Amaral was the subject of a criminal conspiracy.
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Post by: Davel on October 21, 2017, 06:17:57 PM
You are entitled to your opinion davel but there is evidence that Amaral was the subject of a criminal conspiracy.

What criminal conspiracy....that's quite an accusation
I just can't see anything that would be regarded as criminal
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 21, 2017, 06:19:25 PM
Amaral was found guilty of perjury...nothing to do with correia
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2017, 06:21:34 PM
What criminal conspiracy....that's quite an accusation
I just can't see anything that would be regarded as criminal

Is that supposed to surprise anyone that you say that. 8)-)))
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Post by: Davel on October 21, 2017, 06:24:16 PM
Is that supposed to surprise anyone that you say that. 8)-)))

There's lots of bones and no meat stephen....
Amaral tried to sue correia for libel and lost
What is correia accused of.....let's have some specifics...there are none
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Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2017, 06:26:44 PM
There's lots of bones and no meat stephen....
Amaral tried to sue correia for libel and lost
What is correia accused of.....let's have some specifics...there are none

Talk about déjà vu.

The McCann's tried to sue Amaral, and other parties, and lost, big time.
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Post by: Davel on October 21, 2017, 06:30:40 PM
Talk about déjà vu.

The McCann's tried to sue Amaral, and other parties, and lost, big time.

So with all the pressures on SY....with terrorism and rising crime in London...
Do you want them to investigate correia...lol
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Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2017, 06:47:42 PM
So with all the pressures on SY....with terrorism and rising crime in London...
Do you want them to investigate correia...lol

That is what the money wasted on this case should have been spent on.

Besides davel, it would be the Portuguese handling Correia.

Mind you, he would know that was coming, given his claims to be a psychic.

I remember another claim,  'Amaral is toast'.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 21, 2017, 06:49:54 PM
That is what the money wasted on this case should have been spent on.

Besides davel, it would be the Portuguese handling Correia.

Mind you, he would know that was coming, given his claims to be a psychic.

I remember another claim,  'Amaral is toast'.

Angelo is complaining to SY...the PJ will not be interested
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on October 21, 2017, 07:03:43 PM
Angelo is complaining to SY...the PJ will not be interested

The Portuguese have first bite in this case.

SY are just onlookers.

Let's see what Angelo does.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on October 21, 2017, 07:05:45 PM
The Portuguese have first bite in this case.

SY are just onlookers.

Let's see what Angelo does.

I will be very interested to see what Angelo does and I know what the reaction of the pj will be
Angelo has still not told us exactly what crime he thinks correia has committed
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on October 21, 2017, 07:06:36 PM
And how do you KNOW that?   

The investigation has all been kept under wraps .. so where are you getting your information from?

Are you making it up ?

None other than the assistant chief commissioner of the met as recently as April just gone couldn't confirm if the girl was dead or alive,if that an achievement god help us should they fail.
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Post by: jassi on October 21, 2017, 08:23:25 PM
Of course Netflix expect to make much more money in return for their outlay, whereas OG is simply spending it , possibly for no return at all.
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Post by: John on October 22, 2017, 11:28:17 AM
Please can we have less naughty behaviour otherwise I will have to apply sanctions and I really dont want to have to do that. In fact, can moderators please remove all remaining inappropriate comments from their own posts. This is not a request! TY
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Post by: sadie on October 22, 2017, 11:14:29 PM
None other than the assistant chief commissioner of the met as recently as April just gone couldn't confirm if the girl was dead or alive,if that an achievement god help us should they fail.

What is wrong with saying that a lot of water has passed under the bridge since April ?  In 6 months a lot can change.  And they are looking for the perp and trying to get sufficient evidence it seems.

Also possibly looking for a global group that might be behind all the slave and sex trafficking etc.  However if they suceed and manage to prosecute, unhappily it will only be short term, cos the Phoenix will rise again ... as it has historically through the ages.   This is only IMO
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on April 10, 2018, 01:41:56 PM
A brand-new eight-part Madeleine McCann documentary is coming to Netflix.

The case will now form the centre of a new as-yet-untitled, eight episode true crime series, featuring interviews with both investigators and key figures from the case.

This isn’t the first time Netflix has dabbled in controversial criminal cases, releasing last year a one-part documentary on Amanda Knox, the American student who served almost four years in an Italian prison for the 2007 murder of Meredith Kercher, before being definitively acquitted. Sick paedophile told police he killed Madeleine McCann for fame


True crime’s surge in popularity was certainly aided by Netflix’s own Making a Murderer, based on Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey’s conviction of Teresa Halbach.

A release date for the Madeleine McCann documentary has yet to be announced.

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/tv/netflix-madeleine-mccann-ndocumentary-13600114
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Post by: Miss Taken Identity on April 13, 2018, 11:37:29 AM
A brand-new eight-part Madeleine McCann documentary is coming to Netflix.

The case will now form the centre of a new as-yet-untitled, eight episode true crime series, featuring interviews with both investigators and key figures from the case.

This isn’t the first time Netflix has dabbled in controversial criminal cases, releasing last year a one-part documentary on Amanda Knox, the American student who served almost four years in an Italian prison for the 2007 murder of Meredith Kercher, before being definitively acquitted. Sick paedophile told police he killed Madeleine McCann for fame


True crime’s surge in popularity was certainly aided by Netflix’s own Making a Murderer, based on Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey’s conviction of Teresa Halbach.

A release date for the Madeleine McCann documentary has yet to be announced.

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/tv/netflix-madeleine-mccann-ndocumentary-13600114

I wonder who the key figures will be...I began to watch the Interview but the smirking  when talking about Madeleine put me off...
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Post by: barrier on March 02, 2019, 01:32:25 PM
Netflix is due to launch a docu this month.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6763579/Netflix-launch-Madeleine-McCann-documentary-month.html
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Post by: Davel on March 02, 2019, 01:33:24 PM
Netflix is due to launch a docu this month.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6763579/Netflix-launch-Madeleine-McCann-documentary-month.html

Sounds interesting  but like Australian doc I doubt it will be
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Post by: jassi on March 02, 2019, 01:47:40 PM
Netflix is due to launch a docu this month.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6763579/Netflix-launch-Madeleine-McCann-documentary-month.html

An 8-parter always sounded a bit excessive.
No doubt those with a Netflix account will be able to keep us informed and entertained with selective excerpts when the show is aired.
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Post by: Eleanor on March 02, 2019, 02:20:08 PM

The Documentary has cost 20 Million Pounds so far.  There's interesting.
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Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 02, 2019, 05:57:28 PM
The Documentary has cost 20 Million Pounds so far.  There's interesting.
Wowsers.  I hope they have solved the mystery with that budget.
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Post by: Eleanor on March 02, 2019, 06:33:01 PM
Wowsers.  I hope they have solved the mystery with that budget.

That's what I thought.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 02, 2019, 06:48:18 PM
I see the parents are still shaking the suing stick. You’d think they’d learn.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 02, 2019, 06:55:07 PM
I see the parents are still shaking the suing stick. You’d think they’d learn.

the SC judgement applies only to portugal...they have a 100% success rate outside portugal
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Post by: Faithlilly on March 02, 2019, 06:58:46 PM
the SC judgement applies only to portugal...they have a 100% success rate outside portugal

Have they sued anyone successfully then ? I thought the newspapers settled out of court.
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Post by: Davel on March 02, 2019, 06:59:29 PM
Have they sued anyone successfully then ? I thought the newspapers settled out of court.

after a letter from lawyers
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 02, 2019, 07:09:20 PM
after a letter from lawyers

But they didn’t win....the newspapers settled out of court because they had no defence.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 02, 2019, 07:11:24 PM
But they didn’t win....the newspapers settled out of court because they had no defence.
so they were successful.....and Netflix will realise  they should not make any defamatory claims
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 02, 2019, 07:16:23 PM
so they were successful.....and Netflix will realise  they should not make any defamatory claims

Does America do no win no fee for liable cases ?
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Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 02, 2019, 07:21:23 PM
Does autocorrect not recognise the word “libel”?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 02, 2019, 07:23:31 PM
Does America do no win no fee for liable cases ?
Do yoy understand how libel works in the US.. Libel per se
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 02, 2019, 07:25:38 PM
Do yoy understand how libel works in the US.. Libel per se

Enlighten us.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 02, 2019, 07:28:42 PM
Enlighten us.

I already have... Libel per se
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 02, 2019, 07:32:24 PM
I already have... Libel per se

If Netflix can spend 20 million pounds on a documentary can you imagine how much they have for lawyers ?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 02, 2019, 07:35:56 PM
If Netflix can spend 20 million pounds on a documentary can you imagine how much they have for lawyers ?

Doesn't matter how much they have if they make a serious defamatory statement they can't prove
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 02, 2019, 07:38:30 PM
Doesn't matter how much they have if they make a serious defamatory statement they can't prove

And where are the parents going to get the money to sue ? I believe they still owe Amaral etc.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 02, 2019, 07:42:07 PM
And where are the parents going to get the money to sue ? I believe they still owe Amaral etc.

If it's shown in the UK will probably be able to use CR..

Or this chap.. Principal attorney British and US citizen Jonathan Charles Capp is a qualified California and New York attorney and English Barrister.

Capp and Associates can represent their international clients on hourly rates, for flat fees and also on contingency-that is on a no-win no fee, percentage recovery basis


.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 02, 2019, 07:46:43 PM
If it's shown in the UK will probably be able to use CR..

Or this chap.. Principal attorney British and US citizen Jonathan Charles Capp is a qualified California and New York attorney and English Barrister.

Capp and Associates can represent their international clients on hourly rates, for flat fees and also on contingency-that is on a no-win no fee, percentage recovery basis


.

Netflix is American and they will have to sue in America. Do American lawyers do CFA ?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on March 02, 2019, 07:49:23 PM

Eight Parts or Two Parts?  That's the thing.  Are they cutting it down perhaps?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 02, 2019, 07:51:46 PM
Netflix is American and they will have to sue in America. Do American lawyers do CFA ?

From my post... Yes... And I'm not sure they have to sue in the US... If they are accused of any serious crimes then it will be relatively easy to sue in the US
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 02, 2019, 07:57:44 PM
From my post... Yes... And I'm not sure they have to sue in the US... If they are accused of any serious crimes then it will be relatively easy to sue in the US

The public figure debate will be interesting.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on March 02, 2019, 07:59:30 PM

I think we might be in for a surprise.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 02, 2019, 08:01:28 PM
The public figure debate will be interesting.

I think that's been misunderstood
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 02, 2019, 08:07:17 PM
I think that's been misunderstood

How so ?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 02, 2019, 08:10:47 PM
How so ?

Because in my opinion it refers to public figures carrying out their public duties...
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 02, 2019, 08:17:26 PM
Because in my opinion it refers to public figures carrying out their public duties...

https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1681

It could be argued, and I’m sure Netflix lawyers will, that the parents are public figures.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 02, 2019, 08:37:56 PM
https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1681

It could be argued, and I’m sure Netflix lawyers will, that the parents are public figures.

I don't think it's quite as simple as you think... Katy Holmes... Tom Cruise and others have win libel cases... And I'm fairly sure the mccanns could sue in the uk
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 02, 2019, 08:52:29 PM
I don't think it's quite as simple as you think... Katy Holmes... Tom Cruise and others have win libel cases... And I'm fairly sure the mccanns could sue in the uk

What makes you think that ?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 02, 2019, 08:59:02 PM
What is all this talk of sueing Netflix??
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 02, 2019, 09:00:27 PM
What makes you think that ?

Because it will be viewed in the UK... Netflix...Netflix has made it available in the uk
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on March 02, 2019, 09:09:57 PM
Just love all this talk of suing, before the program is even shown   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 02, 2019, 09:11:02 PM
Because it will be viewed in the UK... Netflix...Netflix has made it available in the uk

Not how it works.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on March 02, 2019, 09:40:36 PM
Because it will be viewed in the UK... Netflix...Netflix has made it available in the uk

Wouldn't any hypothetical libel action have to be initiated against UK-based Pulse Films?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 02, 2019, 09:47:05 PM
Wouldn't any hypothetical libel action have to be initiated against UK-based Pulse Films?
Hypothetically I suppose it would
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on March 02, 2019, 09:51:48 PM

You don't suppose Sonia Poulton could have anything to do with this, anyone?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on March 02, 2019, 09:53:06 PM
Hypothetically I suppose it would

Would the Hague Convention rules come into play, with both UK & USA being signatories, thus allowing hypothetical action also involving Netflix to be taken in UK?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on March 02, 2019, 09:57:22 PM
You don't suppose Sonia Poulton could have anything to do with this, anyone?

If she was involved I think we would have heard, via the usual sources. IMO this latest effort, if condensed into one or two episodes, will be little more than a résumé of events to date for the unitiated, with a few new interviews thrown in for good measure.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on March 02, 2019, 09:59:15 PM
If she was involved I think we would have heard, via the usual sources. IMO this latest effort, if condensed into one or two episodes, will be little more than a résumé of events to date for the unitiated, with a few new interviews thrown in for good measure.

Boring, in other words?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on March 02, 2019, 10:16:49 PM
I'm incredulous that anyone would imagine in their wildest dreams that Kate and Gerry or anyone at all with Madeleine's best interests at heart would give legitimacy to what is essentially an entertainment programme by taking part.

I don't think such a 'documentary' should be contemplated at this stage in time while the police are actively working on a criminal case on Madeleine's behalf.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 02, 2019, 11:01:32 PM
I'm incredulous that anyone would imagine in their wildest dreams that Kate and Gerry or anyone at all with Madeleine's best interests at heart would give legitimacy to what is essentially an entertainment programme by taking part.

I don't think such a 'documentary' should be contemplated at this stage in time while the police are actively working on a criminal case on Madeleine's behalf.

Do you feel the same about Summers and wife’s repackaging  of their book on the McCann case as an audiobook ?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 03, 2019, 01:21:55 PM
Do you feel the same about Summers and wife’s repackaging  of their book on the McCann case as an audiobook ?

perhaps theyve done it for those who are so blind they cannot see
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 03, 2019, 01:52:37 PM
perhaps theyve done it for those who are so blind they cannot see

But there’s an investigation going on, surely they shouldn’t ( according to Brietta’s logic) be jeopardising that in any way ?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 03, 2019, 02:02:50 PM
But there’s an investigation going on, surely they shouldn’t ( according to Brietta’s logic) be jeopardising that in any way ?

you should not be so critical of those trying to help you....worth a listen
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 03, 2019, 02:23:36 PM
you should not be so critical of those trying to help you....worth a listen

Not exactly sure what you mean but I think you’re simply trying to avoid answering the question as is your wont.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 03, 2019, 02:29:23 PM
Not exactly sure what you mean but I think you’re simply trying to avoid answering the question as is your wont.

im not trying to avoid anything so im afraid you are on the wrong track...and probably the wrong train

Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 03, 2019, 02:36:44 PM
im not trying to avoid anything so im afraid you are on the wrong track...and probably the wrong train

Okkkaayyy, wasted enough of my afternoon here.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on March 03, 2019, 02:47:02 PM
Okkkaayyy, wasted enough of my afternoon here.

Nooo, please don't go.  What will I do with myself?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 03, 2019, 03:05:42 PM
Nooo, please don't go.  What will I do with myself?

It is a bit slow, isn’t it  8(8-))
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on March 03, 2019, 03:07:50 PM
It is a bit slow, isn’t it  8(8-))

Yep.  I'm watching Shakespeare and Hathaway myself.  But I've only got a couple of episodes left.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 03, 2019, 03:23:26 PM
Yep.  I'm watching Shakespeare and Hathaway myself.  But I've only got a couple of episodes left.

Never watch it....is it good ? Endeavour is my particular favourite of the genre....unfortunately it’s the last episode tonight !
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: G-Unit on March 03, 2019, 03:31:23 PM
Nooo, please don't go.  What will I do with myself?

You could try my plan. I've had a lovely roast beef dinner and I'm pff for a nap now.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on March 03, 2019, 03:31:57 PM
Never watch it....is it good ? Endeavour is my particular favourite of the genre....unfortunately it’s the last episode tonight !

I like it.  Easy watching.  No real violence.  Unlike this place.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on March 03, 2019, 03:34:05 PM
You could try my plan. I've had a lovely roast beef dinner and I'm pff for a nap now.

Tried that already.  But I was frightened I might miss something.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 03, 2019, 03:57:15 PM
I like it.  Easy watching.  No real violence.  Unlike this place.

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on March 03, 2019, 04:05:29 PM
I think you hsve missed the point...the mccanns have been fully investigated and theres no evidence against them,,,

SY are on to somethiing but it doesnt involve the mccanns...imo

Truth is that SY have refused to investigate several aspects of what happened after the child disappeared as well you know.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 03, 2019, 04:15:42 PM
Truth is that SY have refused to investigate several aspects of what happened after the child disappeared as well you know.
i think those things you think need investigating are total codswallop......thats what I know...i think theres a lot of codswallop talked about this case
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on March 03, 2019, 04:27:05 PM
i think those things you think need investigating are total codswallop......thats what I know...i think theres a lot of codswallop talked about this case

Most assuredly not and until those people behind the Marcos Correia debacle are officially exposed then there can be no closure to this case.  There are those who would rather these things not come to light but the PJ will get to the bottom of it even if SY continue to look the other way. 
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 03, 2019, 04:52:31 PM
Most assuredly not and until those people behind the Marcos Correia debacle are officially exposed then there can be no closure to this case.  There are those who would rather these things not come to light but the PJ will get to the bottom of it even if SY continue to look the other way.

I did point out the Correia connection to Summers when he was writing his tome but I’m afraid he wasn’t much interested in balance.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on March 03, 2019, 04:54:24 PM
Netflix is due to launch a docu this month.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6763579/Netflix-launch-Madeleine-McCann-documentary-month.html

Very interesting that none of the tapas 9 agreed to cooperate with the Netflix production.  One would have thought that the parents and friends of a child missing for nearly twelve years would take full advantage of every single opportunity to promote the case?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on March 03, 2019, 05:02:05 PM
Very interesting that none of the tapas 9 agreed to cooperate with the Netflix production.  One would have thought that the parents and friends of a child missing for nearly twelve years would take full advantage of every single opportunity to promote the case?

I'm not surprised at all. The McCanns have always wanted to control everything surrounding Madeleine but Netflix are big enough not to be bullied by them.  I look forward to the production but I hope it looks at everything including what happened with the McCann's crooked Spanish detectives.

Who was giving the orders to Metodo 3 and who was paying them?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on March 03, 2019, 05:14:10 PM
I'm not surprised at all. The McCanns have always wanted to control everything surrounding Madeleine but Netflix are big enough not to be bullied by them.  I look forward to the production but I hope it looks at everything including what happened with the McCann's crooked Spanish detectives.

Who was giving the orders to Metodo 3 and who was paying them?

Could you polish the humour a bit?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on March 03, 2019, 05:29:28 PM
The Netflix production is due to start on Friday 15th March.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 03, 2019, 05:47:03 PM
Very interesting that none of the tapas 9 agreed to cooperate with the Netflix production.  One would have thought that the parents and friends of a child missing for nearly twelve years would take full advantage of every single opportunity to promote the case?

Dont agree as I may be the only person on the forum who has taken part in a TV documentary...2 in fact.
You have to sign a disclaimer giviing the programme rights to edit your interview as they wish..thats quite a dangerous thing to do. Pat brown did it in the australian docu and was entirely stitched up...she said she would sue but having signed the disclaimer she had no grounds. Borat has got away with murder doing the same thing..

added to that theres an ongoing investigation.........the MccAnns are quite right to give this programme a wide berth...but of course its another stick to beat them with
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 03, 2019, 05:48:43 PM
Most assuredly not and until those people behind the Marcos Correia debacle are officially exposed then there can be no closure to this case.  There are those who would rather these things not come to light but the PJ will get to the bottom of it even if SY continue to look the other way.

whats the evidence to support your claim...and whats your evidence the pj are the slightest interested in it.....none..
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 03, 2019, 05:52:09 PM
The Netflix production is due to start on Friday 15th March.

www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=186aae0f-6039-4a7e-8da3-ca1f9b024f9f

borat protected by standard agreement
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on March 03, 2019, 06:07:19 PM
www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=186aae0f-6039-4a7e-8da3-ca1f9b024f9f

borat protected by standard agreement

???
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 03, 2019, 06:13:59 PM
I did point out the Correia connection to Summers when he was writing his tome but I’m afraid he wasn’t much interested in balance.
Ah, now we know why you’re so bitter.  Ignored by “Summers & Wife”.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 03, 2019, 06:15:48 PM
???

Have you heard of the standard consent agreement that those taking part in a docu areasked to sign
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on March 03, 2019, 06:22:23 PM
The Netflix production is due to start on Friday 15th March.


Beware the ides of March. (&^&
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on March 03, 2019, 06:28:10 PM
Have you heard of the standard consent agreement that those taking part in a docu areasked to sign

All very normal practise in the movie industry.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 03, 2019, 06:31:18 PM
All very normal practise in the movie industry.

In the documentary industry.... And that's a reason why the mccanns would not take part
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 03, 2019, 06:38:54 PM
In the documentary industry.... And that's a reason why the mccanns would not take part

Netflix is no Emma Loach.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 03, 2019, 06:49:27 PM
Netflix is no Emma Loach.
precisely...if you take part in a docu you have to be sure the editors wont misrepresent you...glad you understand
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 03, 2019, 07:23:48 PM
Very interesting that none of the tapas 9 agreed to cooperate with the Netflix production.  One would have thought that the parents and friends of a child missing for nearly twelve years would take full advantage of every single opportunity to promote the case?
"We would have welcomed the opportunity of working with the McCanns directly but they informed us they couldn't and wouldn't consider taking part while a police investigation is into their daughter's abduction is ongoing."

Which part of that are you struggling with?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on March 03, 2019, 07:35:16 PM
"We would have welcomed the opportunity of working with the McCanns directly but they informed us they couldn't and wouldn't consider taking part while a police investigation is into their daughter's abduction is ongoing."

Which part of that are you struggling with?

That's their 'get out of jail' card.  As I already said, they need to control everything and Netflix wouldn't allow that. All those pesky little questions which Kate McCann refused to answer asked again on camera...oh dear...how embarrassing!    @)(++(*
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 03, 2019, 07:41:15 PM
That's their 'get out of jail' card.  As I already said, they need to control everything and Netflix wouldn't allow that. All those pesky little questions which Kate McCann refused to answer asked again on camera...oh dear...how embarrassing!    @)(++(*

That's your opinion... But it doesn't make it true ..I think your post is absolute rubbish... That's my opinion
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on March 03, 2019, 07:54:18 PM
www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=186aae0f-6039-4a7e-8da3-ca1f9b024f9f

borat protected by standard agreement

In effect it would seem that you are signing away all your legal riights https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=186aae0f-6039-4a7e-8da3-ca1f9b024f9f allowing the producers to do very much what they like when they feel like it without any come back.

I would never sign such a document.

Perhaps this gives an explanation as to why a series? was reduced to one or two episodes.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 03, 2019, 07:57:07 PM
In effect it would seem that you are signing away all your legal riights https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=186aae0f-6039-4a7e-8da3-ca1f9b024f9f allowing the producers to do very much what they like when they feel like it without any come back.

I would never sign such a document.

Perhaps this gives an explanation as to why a series? was reduced to one or two episodes.

That's is exactly what you have to do.... And that's why I would never take part in another documentary... Pat Brown was caught out in Australia... And she is supposed to be a TV veteran
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 03, 2019, 08:06:09 PM
That's their 'get out of jail' card.  As I already said, they need to control everything and Netflix wouldn't allow that. All those pesky little questions which Kate McCann refused to answer asked again on camera...oh dear...how embarrassing!    @)(++(*
Which of those questions do you think Kate would struggle to answer if posed by a Netflix interrogator?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on March 03, 2019, 08:40:18 PM
I think it is absolutely priceless anyway.  Kate and Gerry McCann are are regularly excoriated in some quarters for their use of publicity and exposure in the press (celebs ????) to promote Madeleine at a time when the regular police forces were ignoring her and doing nothing to find her.

Now they are being castigated for not appearing in the media when there is a full blown police investigation into Madeleine's case in progress.

They just cannot win whatever they do ... you really could not make it up ... and it looks as if they are astute enough (unlike Ms Brown) to ensure that by clever editing the footage Netflix won't be able to manipulate them or make it up either.  How frustrating for them 😜
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on March 03, 2019, 08:41:50 PM
Which of those questions do you think Kate would struggle to answer if posed by a Netflix interrogator?

#48   Did you have any responsibility or intervention in your daughter's disappearance?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on March 03, 2019, 08:43:07 PM
I think it is absolutely priceless anyway.  Kate and Gerry McCann are are regularly excoriated in some quarters for their use of publicity and exposure in the press (celebs ????) to promote Madeleine at a time when the regular police forces were ignoring her and doing nothing to find her.

Now they are being castigated for not appearing in the media when there is a full blown police investigation into Madeleine's case in progress.

They just cannot win whatever they do ... you really could not make it up ... and it looks as if they are astute enough (unlike Ms Brown) to ensure that by clever editing the footage Netflix won't be able to manipulate them or make it up either.  How frustrating for them 😜

Are you saying that Netflix editors are unethical?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on March 03, 2019, 08:44:38 PM
Which of those questions do you think Kate would struggle to answer if posed by a Netflix interrogator?

If Kate had agreed to be interviewed on Netflix I really think we would be having a vastly different discussion here along the usual lines.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 03, 2019, 08:46:28 PM
#48   Did you have any responsibility or intervention in your daughter's disappearance?

Why should Kate answer any questions from a film maker
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on March 03, 2019, 08:51:11 PM
Are you saying that Netflix editors are unethical?

Absolutely not ... just as I do not think Sacha Baron Cohen is unethical.  I do think anyone who takes part in and signs away their rights to have some say as to how they are portrayed in a series of documentaries hasn't thought things through to conclusion. https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=186aae0f-6039-4a7e-8da3-ca1f9b024f9f
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 03, 2019, 08:51:48 PM
#48   Did you have any responsibility or intervention in your daughter's disappearance?
No .  Next question?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on March 03, 2019, 09:38:59 PM
No .  Next question?

 @)(++(*     strangely she couldn't answer that when asked.  Do you think she was confused?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 03, 2019, 10:05:17 PM
@)(++(*     strangely she couldn't answer that when asked.  Do you think she was confused?
No, I know she was advised not to answer any questions, but you know that.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 03, 2019, 10:16:37 PM
If Kate had agreed to be interviewed on Netflix I really think we would be having a vastly different discussion here along the usual lines.
Yes.  “Publicity seeking”, “money grabbing”, “breaking Judicial Secrecy”, etc etc etc.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on March 08, 2019, 03:04:39 PM
Yes.  “Publicity seeking”, “money grabbing”, “breaking Judicial Secrecy”, etc etc etc.


Oh i don't know... maybe those things, or perhaps they just feel that there is so much in the social media comments which do not see them as 'victims' anymore, or they don't get overall control of what is said and how they are portrayed.

They do seem to go to such lenghts to protect their reputation.


Did anyone watch the program?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 08, 2019, 05:17:09 PM

Oh i don't know... maybe those things, or perhaps they just feel that there is so much in the social media comments which do not see them as 'victims' anymore, or they don't get overall control of what is said and how they are portrayed.

They do seem to go to such lenghts to protect their reputation.


Did anyone watch the program?

It hasn’t been on yet. It did appear to warrant an official update.

‘Updates

06th March 2019

Statement by Kate and Gerry McCann regarding Netflix programme “The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann”

Start

‘We are aware that Netflix are planning to screen a documentary in March 2019 about Madeleine’s disappearance. The production company told us that they were making the documentary and asked us to participate. We did not see and still do not see how this programme will help the search for Madeleine and, particularly given there is an active police investigation, could potentially hinder it.

Consequently, our views and preferences are not reflected in the programme.

We will not be making any further statements or giving interviews regarding this programme.’



Gerry and Kate McCann’

Hinder the search ? Now where have we heard that before ?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on March 08, 2019, 10:27:03 PM
It hasn’t been on yet. It did appear to warrant an official update.

‘Updates

06th March 2019

Statement by Kate and Gerry McCann regarding Netflix programme “The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann”

Start

‘We are aware that Netflix are planning to screen a documentary in March 2019 about Madeleine’s disappearance. The production company told us that they were making the documentary and asked us to participate. We did not see and still do not see how this programme will help the search for Madeleine and, particularly given there is an active police investigation, could potentially hinder it.

Consequently, our views and preferences are not reflected in the programme.

We will not be making any further statements or giving interviews regarding this programme.’



Gerry and Kate McCann’

Hinder the search ? Now where have we heard that before ?

"Consequently, our views and preferences are not reflected in the programme"

How do they know their views and preferences are not reflected. I wonder if they insisted on editorial rights lol 

We can take from this the family are still searching for their daughter/grandaughter then. Does anyone know the last place they looked and when that was?

The police are just still trying to figure out how the child disappeared...
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 08, 2019, 10:45:50 PM
"Consequently, our views and preferences are not reflected in the programme"

How do they know their views and preferences are not reflected. I wonder if they insisted on editorial rights lol 

We can take from this the family are still searching for their daughter/grandaughter then. Does anyone know the last place they looked and when that was?

The police are just still trying to figure out how the child disappeared...

Strange that we didn’t get this kind of statement when Summers and wife published their tome even though, I believe, the parents didn’t participate in that either.

Can we garner from this statement that the documentary is going to be exactly McCann friendly ?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on March 08, 2019, 11:11:06 PM
Strange that we didn’t get this kind of statement when Summers and wife published their tome even though, I believe, the parents didn’t participate in that either.

Can we garner from this statement that the documentary is going to be exactly McCann friendly ?

I am hoping they show us how the 'abduction ' actually happened via a window. It may be a  McCann friendly docu.

I am not familiar with their work. do they do factual or glitzy, crass celebrity style dramadocus for entertainment?

Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 08, 2019, 11:14:54 PM
I am hoping they show us how the 'abduction ' actually happened via a window. It may be a  McCann friendly docu.

I am not familiar with their work. do they do factual or glitzy, crass celebrity style dramadocus for entertainment?

Some info from a while back.

UK indies ride Netflix wave
By Peter White7 September 2017

Pulse Films lands Madeleine McCann doc as SVoD services help to prop up flat indie sector

Pulse Films will investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann for Netflix, as the SVoD revolution gathers pace for UK indies.

The eight-part true-crime series is being made in association with Viacom-owned Hollywood studio Paramount Television. It aims to shine a light on the three-year- old’s disappearance in 2007, and will include interviews with key figures and investigators.

Pulse managing director of non-scripted television Emma Cooper is exec producing the project. The Vice-owned indie declined to comment.

The project is Paramount Television’s highest profile factual series to date. It recently co-produced comedy-drama Lemony Snicket’s A Series Of Unfortunate Events for Netflix and is co-financing BBC1’s forthcoming John Le Carré adaptation The Spy Who Came In From The Cold.

Pulse’s project is the latest in a long line of McCann documentaries; in May, BBC1 aired Panorama special Madeleine McCann: Ten Years On, while a Crimewatch special on the disappearance drew nearly 7 million viewers in 2013.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on March 08, 2019, 11:21:22 PM
Some info from a while back.

UK indies ride Netflix wave
By Peter White7 September 2017

Pulse Films lands Madeleine McCann doc as SVoD services help to prop up flat indie sector

Pulse Films will investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann for Netflix, as the SVoD revolution gathers pace for UK indies.

The eight-part true-crime series is being made in association with Viacom-owned Hollywood studio Paramount Television. It aims to shine a light on the three-year- old’s disappearance in 2007, and will include interviews with key figures and investigators.

Pulse managing director of non-scripted television Emma Cooper is exec producing the project. The Vice-owned indie declined to comment.

The project is Paramount Television’s highest profile factual series to date. It recently co-produced comedy-drama Lemony Snicket’s A Series Of Unfortunate Events for Netflix and is co-financing BBC1’s forthcoming John Le Carré adaptation The Spy Who Came In From The Cold.

Pulse’s project is the latest in a long line of McCann documentaries; in May, BBC1 aired Panorama special Madeleine McCann: Ten Years On, while a Crimewatch special on the disappearance drew nearly 7 million viewers in 2013.


Thanks for that info Faith
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 08, 2019, 11:33:37 PM
Strange that we didn’t get this kind of statement when Summers and wife published their tome even though, I believe, the parents didn’t participate in that either.

Can we garner from this statement that the documentary is going to be exactly McCann friendly ?
@)(++(*
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Lace on March 10, 2019, 07:19:36 PM
They will probably go through the same old,  the window etc.    They can't have anything new otherwise they would have to have given it to the Police.   It's just to make money.    The McCann's declined as there is a live Police investigation going on.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 10, 2019, 07:42:32 PM
They will probably go through the same old,  the window etc.    They can't have anything new otherwise they would have to have given it to the Police.   It's just to make money.    The McCann's declined as there is a live Police investigation going on.

There was a live police investigation going on when they took part in Madeleine One Year On.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 10, 2019, 08:16:13 PM
There was a live police investigation going on when they took part in Madeleine One Year On.
Shows they have more respect for the current investigation than the botched initial one.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on March 13, 2019, 08:46:43 PM
This'll get the juices flowing,for some at least.

Quote
Portuguese police chief who claimed Madeleine McCann is dead and her parents faked her kidnap will take key role in new Netflix documentary on the missing girl


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6805799/Police-chief-claimed-Madeleine-McCann-dead-key-role-new-Netflix-documentary.html
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 13, 2019, 08:57:59 PM
This'll get the juices flowing,for some at least.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6805799/Police-chief-claimed-Madeleine-McCann-dead-key-role-new-Netflix-documentary.html

Could be very interesting
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 13, 2019, 08:58:18 PM
This'll get the juices flowing,for some at least.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6805799/Police-chief-claimed-Madeleine-McCann-dead-key-role-new-Netflix-documentary.html
I wonder how much they had to pay him?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 13, 2019, 09:02:35 PM
I wonder how much they had to pay him?
I'm wondering if they had to pay him at all.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 13, 2019, 09:04:13 PM
Can amaral speak without libelling the McCanns
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 13, 2019, 09:13:24 PM
Can amaral speak without libelling the McCanns
He can do what he likes now, he’s untouchable.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on March 13, 2019, 09:23:46 PM
A less sensationalized report can be found here

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/13/netflix-to-stream-madeleine-mccann-series-after-delays-and-disputes
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 13, 2019, 09:30:01 PM
A less sensationalized report can be found here

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/13/netflix-to-stream-madeleine-mccann-series-after-delays-and-disputes
Sounds like an expensive flop to me.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 13, 2019, 10:18:23 PM
Sounds like an expensive flop to me.
You would wonder why it has cost so much to produce.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 13, 2019, 10:29:23 PM
You would wonder why it has cost so much to produce.
Amaral’s fee?   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 13, 2019, 10:37:26 PM
Amaral’s fee?   @)(++(*
Is that fact? Or is that a libel?
You watch you don't land up in the ECHR. (&^&
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 13, 2019, 10:38:43 PM
Is that fact? Or is that a libel?
You watch you don't land up in the ECHR. (&^&
It was a tongue and cheek suggestion, so sue me.   ?{)(**
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 13, 2019, 10:43:18 PM
It was a tongue and cheek suggestion, so sue me.   ?{)(**
So it wasn't fact? It was a tongue and cheek suggestion.  ^*&&
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 13, 2019, 10:59:01 PM
So it wasn't fact? It was a tongue and cheek suggestion.  ^*&&
Gosh, I hope I’m not going to have to explain every post I write to you.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on March 13, 2019, 10:59:27 PM
This'll get the juices flowing,for some at least.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6805799/Police-chief-claimed-Madeleine-McCann-dead-key-role-new-Netflix-documentary.html

The Comments are interesting.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on March 13, 2019, 11:00:55 PM
Amaral’s fee?   @)(++(*

Quote of The Day.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 13, 2019, 11:03:15 PM
The Comments are interesting.
This one tickled me
“Oh no, not him. I think he did more bad than good. Looking forward to seeing the documentary and making my own mind up, which I should imagine, is that he is a turnip”
 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 13, 2019, 11:11:36 PM
Gosh, I hope I’m not going to have to explain every post I write to you.
What do you mean by that? You've only wrote two.
Tell you what you could do though, seeing as you hold the view that if people aren't cautioned then their statements aren't admissible. You could explain why that wouldn't mean the sum total of evidence for the open window and whooshing curtains - in my opinion amounts to "no comment?"
Don't suppose you could explain in your opinion  what other 'admissible' evidence exists of an open window and raised shutter other than the no comment from the missing child's mother, could you?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 13, 2019, 11:37:08 PM
What do you mean by that? You've only wrote two.
Tell you what you could do though, seeing as you hold the view that if people aren't cautioned then their statements aren't admissible. You could explain why that wouldn't mean the sum total of evidence for the open window and whooshing curtains - in my opinion amounts to "no comment?"
Don't suppose you could explain in your opinion  what other 'admissible' evidence exists of an open window and raised shutter other than the no comment from the missing child's mother, could you?
Evidence given in court from the dock by the defendant and other witnesses probably.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 13, 2019, 11:45:18 PM
witness statements by anyone not in the dock charged with a crime presumably.
No wonder you have to keep explaining with a response like that. Which witness statements? They're not admissible according to you unless they are given under caution. Did you forget that bit? I was kinda hoping you'd provide us with the names of these witnesses who gave statements under caution confirming the window was open, the shutter was raised and the curtains were whooshing.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 13, 2019, 11:47:54 PM
Big Jim is on the case, https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8631843/madeleine-mccann-alive-netflix-documentary-claims/
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on March 14, 2019, 12:08:44 AM
Big Jim is on the case, https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8631843/madeleine-mccann-alive-netflix-documentary-claims/

Good One.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 14, 2019, 07:15:29 AM
No wonder you have to keep explaining with a response like that. Which witness statements? They're not admissible according to you unless they are given under caution. Did you forget that bit? I was kinda hoping you'd provide us with the names of these witnesses who gave statements under caution confirming the window was open, the shutter was raised and the curtains were whooshing.
You really are being a bit tiresome imo.  If there was a court case then witnesses would be called to give evidence in the dock, defendants also, unless they chose not to. Get it now?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 14, 2019, 07:22:26 AM
Big Jim is on the case, https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8631843/madeleine-mccann-alive-netflix-documentary-claims/
The hopes of Maddie’s Barmy Army come crashing down:

“The documentary also claims pretty Madeleine is likely to have been kept alive by child traffickers because, as a middle-class British girl, she would be more financially valuable.

Julian Peribanez, the private investigator hired by the McCann, explains: “They usually go for lower-class kids from third world countries — that’s the main supplier of these gangs.

“The value that Madeleine had was really high because if they took her it’s because they were going to get a lot of money.”

Large sections of the eight-part series - expected to be a new Netflix phenomenon like Making A Murderer - are devoted to exploring the human trafficking explanation, which regularly involves the supply of a child to desperate wannabe parents or sickening paedophiles.”
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 14, 2019, 07:39:13 AM
You really are being a bit tiresome imo.  If there was a court case then witnesses would be called to give evidence in the dock, defendants also, unless they chose not to. Get it now?
Sorry for your boredom on my account but does that mean that Kate's statement she gave on the 4th voluntarily while not under caution is admissible? You don't have to explain if you don't want to remember. Don't tire yourself out on my account if you don't want to. But no, I still don't get the bit where you agree that statement evidence is only admissible unless it's given under caution.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 14, 2019, 07:54:23 AM
The hopes of Maddie’s Barmy Army come crashing down:

“The documentary also claims pretty Madeleine is likely to have been kept alive by child traffickers because, as a middle-class British girl, she would be more financially valuable.

Julian Peribanez, the private investigator hired by the McCann, explains: “They usually go for lower-class kids from third world countries — that’s the main supplier of these gangs.

“The value that Madeleine had was really high because if they took her it’s because they were going to get a lot of money.”



Large sections of the eight-part series - expected to be a new Netflix phenomenon like Making A Murderer - are devoted to exploring the human trafficking explanation, which regularly involves the supply of a child to desperate wannabe parents or sickening paedophiles.”
I don't know who Maddies's Barmy Army are, so any hopes there may be are lost on me on that one but big Jim Gamble appears hopeful anyway. Here's hoping.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 14, 2019, 08:05:14 AM
FYI this is my last response to you.   &^&*%
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 14, 2019, 08:13:53 AM
FYI this is my last response to you.   &^&*%
If you are satisfied with that response to my question on the sum total of admissible evidence about the window and shutter, who am I to question you.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 14, 2019, 08:52:48 AM
It's interesting... What can amaral say... That isn't libellous... And for the first time he will be under the jurisdiction of English libel law... I don't think Netflix will be bothered about paying out a couple of hundred thousand.... Leaving amaral out to dry
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on March 14, 2019, 09:05:22 AM
Trailer here -  https://youtu.be/9qmlCVaoNZw
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Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: G-Unit on March 14, 2019, 09:05:40 AM
You really are being a bit tiresome imo.  If there was a court case then witnesses would be called to give evidence in the dock, defendants also, unless they chose not to. Get it now?

There's only one witness who claimed to hve seen the open window and shutters afaik. It would be fascinating to hear her explain how she managed to see them when the first thing Madeleine's father did was close them. Did she get there before or with the T9? Why did she go there before she had been notified of the disappearance?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 14, 2019, 10:31:26 AM
Trailer here -  https://youtu.be/9qmlCVaoNZw
 -

Thanks jassi.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 14, 2019, 10:50:20 AM
Trailer here -  https://youtu.be/9qmlCVaoNZw
 -

It mentions amaral was under investigation himself... That's a first
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on March 14, 2019, 11:03:04 AM
It would be nice to see the game played with a straight bat for a change, without too many  spin bowlers.  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on March 14, 2019, 11:09:14 AM
A reminder that the documentary first episode airs tomorrow evening,

Gonçalo Amaral, "All they did at the time was Lie, Lie, Lie".
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 14, 2019, 11:16:52 AM
A reminder that the documentary first episode airs tomorrow evening,

Gonçalo Amaral, "All they did at the time was Lie, Lie, Lie".

Should be very interesting... According to the mail amaral is quoted as saying his right to free speech has been established... Wonder if he realises that doesn't apply to the uk
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on March 14, 2019, 12:09:40 PM
Should be very interesting... According to the mail amaral is quoted as saying his right to free speech has been established... Wonder if he realises that doesn't apply to the uk
If current press reports are accurate I have a feeling that the content of the eagerly anticipated programme may indeed be a huge disappointment for quite a few of our members and many others among whom I don't number.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 14, 2019, 12:24:57 PM
Once upon a time, when I had just joined the forum, and only had perhaps 20 posts to my username, I was given some advice by a fellow member.   Don't let Alfie bully you.

Here's my advice to you.  Don't let Verti bully you.

We need some fresh opinions and eyesight.    &^^&*
I don't think we will be seeing any fresh opinion or insight for reasons I will keep to myself fir the time being... And it's insight... Not eyesight... LOL
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on March 14, 2019, 12:38:31 PM
If current press reports are accurate I have a feeling that the content of the eagerly anticipated programme may indeed be a huge disappointment for quite a few of our members and many others among whom I don't number.

I might be wrong but from what I have read about the documentary it will not tread the depths of speculation but merely attempt to lay out the known facts. No doubt they will miss some out and get others wrong so here's hoping that it will add something to our combined knowledge.

I will add also that posters should adhere to the well established etiquette we have on this forum when making comments. Argumentative or abusive posts are prohibited.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 14, 2019, 12:42:03 PM
I don't think we will be seeing any fresh opinion or insight for reasons I will keep to myself fir the time being
I was quite clearly talking about Cheeky Monkey, not Netflix or Mark S.  Wrong end of the stick.

Which reminds me, I need to take Gonçalo, my cadaver dog, out for a walky.  It is pristine azure blue sky here.

I want to check on the cadaver.  Whilst Gonçalo always loves to find a new stick for a really good chew.

 *&(+(+
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 14, 2019, 12:49:54 PM
I was quite clearly talking about Cheeky Monkey, not Netflix or Mark S.  Wrong end of the stick.

Which reminds me, I need to take Gonçalo, my cadaver dog, out for a walky.  It is pristine azure blue sky here.

I want to check on the cadaver.  Whilst Gonçalo always loves to find a new stick for a really good chew.

 *&(+(+

I realised exactly who you were referring to
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 14, 2019, 12:56:08 PM
I might be wrong but from what I have read about the documentary it will not tread the depths of speculation but merely attempt to lay out the known facts. No doubt they will miss some out and get others wrong so here's hoping that it will add something to our combined knowledge.

I will add also that posters should adhere to the well established etiquette we have on this forum when making comments. Argumentative or abusive posts are prohibited.

All they did was lie.. Lie. Lie... Sounds a little more than that..
I can't see, what amaral can say that isn't libellous, and of any interest...
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 14, 2019, 01:36:58 PM
I'm looking forward to hearing what every single one of them have to say. I'll be particularity interested to hear what hard evidence Julian Peribanez has, that gives us a fresh insight, that in his opinion directly links Madeleine with desperate wannabe parents or sickening paedophiles.
Personally, I fail to see any scenario that there is to be hopeful about imo.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on March 14, 2019, 01:54:20 PM
I might be wrong but from what I have read about the documentary it will not tread the depths of speculation but merely attempt to lay out the known facts. No doubt they will miss some out and get others wrong so here's hoping that it will add something to our combined knowledge.

I will add also that posters should adhere to the well established etiquette we have on this forum when making comments. Argumentative or abusive posts are prohibited.

Oh Really.  Very difficult sometime when one doesn't want to Delete just because it's argumentative, which quite often they are, and all as bad as each other.

But then I tend to see that as Tit for Tat.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on March 14, 2019, 01:57:30 PM
I'm looking forward to hearing what every single one of them have to say. I'll be particularity interested to hear what hard evidence Julian Peribanez has, that gives us a fresh insight, that in his opinion directly links Madeleine with desperate wannabe parents or sickening paedophiles.
Personally, I fail to see any scenario that there is to be hopeful about imo.

Sickening Paedophiles would never have taken such risks for just one girl child.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on March 14, 2019, 02:15:16 PM
I'm looking forward to hearing what every single one of them have to say. I'll be particularity interested to hear what hard evidence Julian Peribanez has, that gives us a fresh insight, that in his opinion directly links Madeleine with desperate wannabe parents or sickening paedophiles.
Personally, I fail to see any scenario that there is to be hopeful about imo.

I have yet to see any evidence that Maddie was taken from the apartment let alone by a paedophile.  Any suggestion that she might still be alive is at best wishful thinking and yet again based on mere speculation.

Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 14, 2019, 02:39:14 PM
I have yet to see any evidence that Maddie was taken from the apartment let alone by a paedophile.  Any suggestion that she might still be alive is at best wishful thinking and yet again based on mere speculation.
Me either, but that's what draws my interest in what leads Mr Peribanez to reach that conclusion. Well now it appears he is going to tell us. It should be interesting, but that's hope speaking, rather than expectation.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 14, 2019, 02:42:24 PM
Sickening Paedophiles would never have taken such risks for just one girl child.
Someone did, allegedly. Let's hope your right.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on March 14, 2019, 02:52:39 PM
Sickening Paedophiles would never have taken such risks for just one girl child.

Taking an English tourist's child was sure to stir up a hornet's nest whereas taking some kid from some out-of-the-way rural community would not.  Too risky imo and that is why I believe she sneaked out and got into trouble outside.

The only real evidence suggests she left the apartment barefoot and made her way around block 5 before exiting into the street near mini reception where all sign of her vanished. This strongly suggests someone picked her up and either carried her off or put her in a vehicle and drove off.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on March 14, 2019, 02:53:45 PM
Someone did, allegedly. Let's hope your right.

My basic common sense and logic tells me that I am right.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on March 14, 2019, 03:54:18 PM
I have yet to see any evidence that Maddie was taken from the apartment let alone by a paedophile.  Any suggestion that she might still be alive is at best wishful thinking and yet again based on mere speculation.

I approach it from the viewpoint of status quo ... there is no evidence that Madeleine is dead let alone who may have killed her ... nor logistically is there is any valid reliability which favours any of the wild theories suggested for her disposal.

Therefore until there is ... I believe the approach taken by the public prosecutors is the correct one. 

Madeleine was alive immediately prior to her disappearance and has the right to be considered alive even yet ... until there is evidence which proves otherwise.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 14, 2019, 03:54:37 PM
My basic common sense and logic tells me that I am right.
My basic common sense and logic tells me that you're right too, but we haven't heard what Mr Peribanez has to say yet. Let's hope we're both right.  8(0(*
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on March 14, 2019, 03:58:39 PM
It will be interesting to hear from people in this documentary who were reportedly being asked to confess to a crime long before the McCanns became arguidos.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 14, 2019, 04:43:21 PM
For what it’s worth I think this series will satisfy neither the sceptic nor the supporter.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 14, 2019, 04:53:07 PM
For what it’s worth I think this series will satisfy neither the sceptic nor the supporter.

I think you are mistaken... Again
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Faithlilly on March 14, 2019, 05:25:23 PM
I think you are mistaken... Again

We shall see.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on March 14, 2019, 05:28:17 PM
My basic common sense and logic tells me that you're right too, but we haven't heard what Mr Peribanez has to say yet. Let's hope we're both right.  8(0(*

Who is Mr. Peribanez?  Should i know of him?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on March 14, 2019, 05:31:19 PM
I think you are mistaken... Again

No, I don't think she is.  We ain't all daft you known.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 14, 2019, 05:43:50 PM
Who is Mr. Peribanez?  Should i know of him?
Only if you know of the investigators hired by the McCanns. He's promoting one of those theories ignored by those nasty bungling Portuguese old bill according to The Sun. They were too busy trying to fit up the missing girl's parents apparently. Fat lot of good at it, eh?  They just can't do anything right.

Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on March 14, 2019, 05:47:17 PM
Who is Mr. Peribanez?  Should i know of him?

I think I read recently he is the Metodo3 operative who went undercover during the search for Madeleine which led to information being passed to the Spanish police about a paedophile ring.
I'll have a look for the link later.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 14, 2019, 06:07:56 PM
No, I don't think she is.  We ain't all daft you known.

I think she is... And we will see who is, daft
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 14, 2019, 06:14:10 PM
All they did was lie.. Lie. Lie... Sounds a little more than that..
I can't see, what amaral can say that isn't libellous, and of any interest...
Was he referring to the McCanns or thr media in that clip I wonder...?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 14, 2019, 06:26:27 PM
Was he referring to the McCanns or thr media in that clip I wonder...?

amaral has made it clear that he considers it a fact that the mccanns covered up maddies daeth...he has said he can prove maddie died in the apartment....Im interested to hear what he will say on film
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 14, 2019, 06:34:10 PM
amaral has made it clear that he considers it a fact that the mccanns covered up maddies daeth...he has said he can prove maddie died in the apartment....Im interested to hear what he will say on film
So am I.   wonder if he will stand by his theory of “fell off the sofa after an OD of calpol, hidden in a freezer or coffin with built in freezer then transferred to a hire car 23 days later”.  I do hope so, his nonsense needs to be exposed to a wider audience so people can see how full of shit he is.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 14, 2019, 06:35:43 PM
I would imagine their lengthy legal battle has ensured Amaral will be the star of the show.
I'm afraid tomorrow, the McCann affair enters the entertainment business.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 14, 2019, 06:40:02 PM
For what it’s worth I think this series will satisfy neither the sceptic nor the supporter.
Shame, you were so hoping that the fact the McCanns refused to take part meant that the programme would be an attack on them, weren’t you?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 14, 2019, 06:51:23 PM
My basic common sense and logic tells me that I am right.
In Your opinion surely?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: G-Unit on March 14, 2019, 06:58:38 PM
Who is Mr. Peribanez?  Should i know of him?

Only if you have researched the McCann case. He worked for Metodo 3 but escaped being jailed like his boss and other employees. Then he and another detective wrote a book. It has been prevented from being sold by an injunction taken out by his ex-boss, but it's blirb is on Amazon.

Editor's  review (Google translation)

"Investigations by detectives Peribáñez and Tamarit (disengaged from Metodo 3) reveal all that is hidden behind the great cases of corruption in Spain and their characters, some of whom will soon be in the hands of the Justice. the media of the recording of La Camarg a, new revelations about the Gurtel case, the plundering of the coffers of the FC, Barcelona, ​​the infamous scam to the Madeleine McCann Foundation,
 https://www.amazon.es/La-Cortina-De-Humo-Actual/dp/8494164988

I wonder if he told Netflix about this scam? I would take anything he says with a lorry load of salt, but then I'm quite sceptical.

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Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2019, 07:03:29 PM
So am I.   wonder if he will stand by his theory of “fell off the sofa after an OD of calpol, hidden in a freezer or coffin with built in freezer then transferred to a hire car 23 days later”.  I do hope so, his nonsense needs to be exposed to a wider audience so people can see how full of shit he is.

I've just discovered we have Netflix.
Apparently oldest grandson added it to our TV viewing choices a few weeks ago.

However we are leaving the cat and the television behind tomorrow for a few days visit to the east coast.
I really, really hope he does . @)(++(*
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Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2019, 07:04:59 PM
Shame, you were so hoping that the fact the McCanns refused to take part meant that the programme would be an attack on them, weren’t you?

So far there is no indication it will be.
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Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 14, 2019, 07:08:05 PM
I've just discovered we have Netflix.
Apparently oldest grandson added it to our TV viewing choices a few weeks ago.

However we are leaving the cat and the television behind tomorrow for a few days visit to the east coast.
I really, really hope he does . @)(++(*
Make sure the cat knows the Netflix password then he can tell you all about it on your return.
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Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 14, 2019, 07:16:41 PM
Interesting article which makes it pretty clear to me that the series is firmly focused on the abduction theory

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/584818/?fbclid=IwAR3-kQTikXpWXEJSHU9zJDHhsHSKoU9dqVYvs8idX4WwG7oKTyMLY-Svgtc
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Post by: G-Unit on March 14, 2019, 07:21:48 PM
I think I read recently he is the Metodo3 operative who went undercover during the search for Madeleine which led to information being passed to the Spanish police about a paedophile ring.
I'll have a look for the link later.

He was certainly in PdL. Undercover? Well, he hid behind some papers but then they got him with Mr Kennedy;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-74ragUCC8Y
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Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2019, 07:24:11 PM
Make sure the cat knows the Netflix password then he can tell you all about it on your return.
@)(++(*
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Post by: jassi on March 14, 2019, 07:24:30 PM
Interesting article which makes it pretty clear to me that the series is firmly focused on the abduction theory

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/584818/?fbclid=IwAR3-kQTikXpWXEJSHU9zJDHhsHSKoU9dqVYvs8idX4WwG7oKTyMLY-Svgtc

Be interesting to see how they manage to fill 8 episodes in that case.
Not that I will, as I haven't got a Netflix subscription
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Post by: Davel on March 14, 2019, 07:25:10 PM
Interesting article which makes it pretty clear to me that the series is firmly focused on the abduction theory

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/584818/?fbclid=IwAR3-kQTikXpWXEJSHU9zJDHhsHSKoU9dqVYvs8idX4WwG7oKTyMLY-Svgtc

I think it will be firmly focussed on the facts and the evidence.. And where the evidence points... Abduction
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Post by: Eleanor on March 14, 2019, 07:31:34 PM
Okay.  Anything looking good?  The Cat isn't even remotely interested.  But she is looking quite lovely.  If you care about Cats, which I don't.   She is a total pain in the neck and loves only me.  Stupid Cat.
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Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2019, 07:32:06 PM
Be interesting to see how they manage to fill 8 episodes in that case.
Not that I will, as I haven't got a Netflix subscription

Neither do we??
But apparently there is a subscription which allows it to be viewed on several outlets.
If not, we will await a heavy knock on the door by law enforcement.
We didn't realise it had been added until our twelve year old grand daughter showed us the afternoon.
I believe we can watch it on our return.
Actually I will watch it, hubby will be catching up on the football.h @)(++(*
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Post by: Eleanor on March 14, 2019, 07:36:46 PM
Neither do we??
But apparently there is a subscription which allows it to be viewed on several outlets.
If not, we will await a heavy knock on the door by law enforcement.
We didn't realise it had been added until our twelve year old grand daughter showed us the afternoon.
I believe we can watch it on our return.
Actually I will watch it, hubby will be catching up on the football.h @)(++(*

Oh God.  I don't actually have to watch this, do I?
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Post by: Davel on March 14, 2019, 07:44:52 PM
There is abrit tourist.. Neil Berry.. Who's daughter became very close to Maddie... This will completely destroy the CMOMM barmy theory
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Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2019, 07:47:53 PM
There is abrit tourist.. Neil Berry.. Who's daughter became very close to Maddie... This will completely destroy the CMOMM barmy theory

" Barmy" is a very apt description.
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Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 14, 2019, 08:06:09 PM
Be interesting to see how they manage to fill 8 episodes in that case.
Not that I will, as I haven't got a Netflix subscription
Hopefully by episode 7 they've got their hands on that nasty old, ahem, ab..duct..tor..
I'm actually hoping they're saving episode 8 for the happy ending.
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Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 14, 2019, 08:09:44 PM
Be interesting to see how they manage to fill 8 episodes in that case.
Not that I will, as I haven't got a Netflix subscription
Hopefully there will be a whole episode dedicated to the parents dunnit theory which shows how there is no evidence they did, and that shows how any anomalies that seem to trouble some people can easily be explained.  I hope they spend a lot of time on the dog alerts looking at them with a critical objective eye. 
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Post by: G-Unit on March 14, 2019, 08:10:26 PM
There is abrit tourist.. Neil Berry.. Who's daughter became very close to Maddie... This will completely destroy the CMOMM barmy theory

She was indeed in the Lobsters with Madeleine. The nanny in charge didn't notice this 'closeness' though;

Madeleine passed the majority of time playing with Jane Tanner's daughter.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAT_BAKER.htm
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Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2019, 08:15:31 PM
Hopefully by episode 7 they've got their hands on that nasty old, ahem, ab..duct..tor..
I'm actually hoping they're saving episode 8 for the happy ending.

There is none! 8(8-))

Your posts suggest a rather flippant attitude to the case of a missing little girl.
You do seem rather self assured for a new poster to the forum.
I admire the confidence you have in posting in such a manner.
Took me months if not years to acquire such confidence.
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Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 14, 2019, 08:16:47 PM
It would be interesting to see an age progression image of Smithman!
Scotland Yard should have thought of that before they released it.
Wonder what he looks like now and if he'll be watching.
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Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2019, 08:21:21 PM
Hopefully there will be a whole episode dedicated to the parents dunnit theory which shows how there is no evidence they did, and that shows how any anomalies that seem to trouble some people can easily be explained.  I hope they spend a lot of time on the dog alerts looking at them with a critical objective eye.

 8((()*/
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Post by: Davel on March 14, 2019, 08:23:01 PM
She was indeed in the Lobsters with Madeleine. The nanny in charge didn't notice this 'closeness' though;

Madeleine passed the majority of time playing with Jane Tanner's daughter.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAT_BAKER.htm

So you think it's possible Maddie died in Sunday... And a pretence was made for four days.. Don't you think that's barmy
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Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2019, 08:24:29 PM
Off topic.
Does anyone else share concern when fellow members of this forum don't post for quite a while?
Sadie, Alice, Sunny ?
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Post by: barrier on March 14, 2019, 08:28:55 PM
Off topic.
Does anyone else share concern when fellow members of this forum don't post for quite a while?
Sadie, Alice, Sunny ?

Look at the members list,there is a plethora of those that have passed through,life goes on.
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Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 14, 2019, 08:29:09 PM
Off topic.
Does anyone else share concern when fellow members of this forum don't post for quite a while?
Sadie, Alice, Sunny ?
I had wondered recently what had become of Sadie and Alice, hopefully they are ok and simply suffering from forum fatigue. 
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Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2019, 08:30:38 PM
Look at the members list,there is a plethora of those that have passed through,life goes on.

I hope it does!
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Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2019, 08:31:09 PM
I had wondered recently what had become of Sadie and Alice, hopefully they are ok and simply suffering from forum fatigue.

I hope they are.
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Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 14, 2019, 08:40:58 PM
There is none! 8(8-))

Your posts suggest a rather flippant attitude to the case of a missing little girl.
You do seem rather self assured for a new poster to the forum.
I admire the confidence you have in posting in such a manner.
Took me months if not years to acquire such confidence.
Some would argue it's got to the stage that any ending is a happy one. It's one missing little girl case that's dragging on a bit and getting nowhere, as far as we can see. That's not to say, I'm not one of those that are happy to share your patience.
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Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 14, 2019, 08:56:56 PM
I've just discovered we have Netflix.
Apparently oldest grandson added it to our TV viewing choices a few weeks ago.

However we are leaving the cat and the television behind tomorrow for a few days visit to the east coast.
I really, really hope he does . @)(++(*
&%%6

I thought your part of the UK is in for yet another winter storm?  Why would you holiday on the East Coast?  The North Sea is fecking freezing.

Take some thermals!
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Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2019, 09:19:44 PM
&%%6

I thought your part of the UK is in for yet another winter storm?  Why would you holiday on the East Coast?  The North Sea is fecking freezing.

Take some thermals!

So far we have had an incredibly mild February.
Lots of preparatory work done in the garden.

We've had no snow so far.

March has been a mixture of wind, rain and sun.

The snowdrops are now withering, the early daffodils are blooming, the Forsythia is beginning to bloom and the rhododendrons are full of buds, looking promising for Easter.
I can never decide which is my favourite season.

The best part of our journey will be once more crossing the new Queensferry bridge with the glorious views of both the Forth Railway bridge and the Forth Road Bridge.

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Post by: Brietta on March 14, 2019, 09:20:08 PM
It would be interesting to see an age progression image of Smithman!
Scotland Yard should have thought of that before they released it.
Wonder what he looks like now and if he'll be watching.

I doubt it.
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Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 14, 2019, 09:27:21 PM
I doubt it.
I have to disagree, after the recent publicity. I'm certain if he's still kicking about, he'll be tuned right in!
That's if he has the funds for a Netflix subscription of course. Everyone needs a fund to get Netflix.
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Post by: jassi on March 14, 2019, 09:32:01 PM
I have to disagree, after the recent publicity. I'm certain if he's still kicking about, he'll be tuned right in!
That's if he has the funds for a Netflix subscription of course. Everyone needs a fund to get Netflix.

 8(0(*
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Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2019, 09:38:30 PM
I have to disagree, after the recent publicity. I'm certain if he's still kicking about, he'll be tuned right in!
That's if he has the funds for a Netflix subscription of course. Everyone needs a fund to get Netflix.

No.
If you click onto Netflix you can have a month's free subscription and can end your subscription at any time.
No fund required.
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Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 14, 2019, 09:50:54 PM
No.
If you click onto Netflix you can have a month's free subscription and can end your subscription at any time.
No fund required.
But that means he will miss the last four episodes. Trust me, he'll make sure he has a fund to see the good bits.
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Post by: G-Unit on March 14, 2019, 09:57:53 PM
So you think it's possible Maddie died in Sunday... And a pretence was made for four days.. Don't you think that's barmy

What makes you rhink that's what I think? I have said many times I don't know what happened.
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Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2019, 09:59:17 PM
But that's means he will miss the last four episodes. Trust me, he'll make sure he has a fund to see the good bits.
Should not take too long to raise enough for the next month's subscription.
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Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2019, 10:00:52 PM
What makes you rhink that's what I think? I have said many times I don't know what happened.

But there must be some theories which you can dismiss?
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Post by: Brietta on March 14, 2019, 10:05:51 PM
I have to disagree, after the recent publicity. I'm certain if he's still kicking about, he'll be tuned right in!
That's if he has the funds for a Netflix subscription of course. Everyone needs a fund to get Netflix.
Perhaps the huge revelation some were expecting might be that the Smiths will remember what the man they saw looked like and be able to furnish a concise description of him in 2007 to enable the age progression you suggest.

That would certainly be a break through ... particularly if you recall that the three published Smith interviews firmly asserted the inability of all three to provide a description to the police.

As it is ... I think he is as laid back about it all as the invisible man which is exactly what he is.
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Post by: G-Unit on March 14, 2019, 10:18:53 PM
But there must be some theories which you can dismiss?

All possibilities remain on the table in my opinion.
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Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2019, 10:21:41 PM
All possibilities remain on the table in my opinion.

Even the one promoted by CMOMM?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 14, 2019, 10:22:42 PM
All possibilities remain on the table in my opinion.
Murat did it?
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Post by: G-Unit on March 14, 2019, 10:33:17 PM
Murat did it?

What is 'it'?
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Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 14, 2019, 10:36:50 PM
What is 'it'?
Anything you want it to be.  According to you all possibilities remain on the table.
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Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 15, 2019, 01:30:13 AM
So far we have had an incredibly mild February.
Lots of preparatory work done in the garden.

We've had no snow so far.

March has been a mixture of wind, rain and sun.

The snowdrops are now withering, the early daffodils are blooming, the Forsythia is beginning to bloom and the rhododendrons are full of buds, looking promising for Easter.
I can never decide which is my favourite season.

The best part of our journey will be once more crossing the new Queensferry bridge with the glorious views of both the Forth Railway bridge and the Forth Road Bridge.
&%%6  I LOVE snowdrops.  They used to emerge just before my birthday.  So I am planning to see if I can grow snowdrops in Portugal.

Queensferry sounds like Edinburgh to Dundee.  Who does your beloved support, footie-wise?  When I was very young, the 'cheerleader' at Rugby Park was a sheep.  I don't remember his other details.
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Post by: G-Unit on March 15, 2019, 06:53:25 AM
Anything you want it to be.  According to you all possibilities remain on the table.

I don't want 'it' to be anything in particular. I repeat; I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann so I can't rule anyone out of beng involved in her disappearance.
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Post by: Davel on March 15, 2019, 07:02:24 AM
What makes you rhink that's what I think? I have said many times I don't know what happened.
You have said nothing has been rulef out so by definition you think thst is possible
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Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 15, 2019, 07:15:41 AM
I don't want 'it' to be anything in particular. I repeat; I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann so I can't rule anyone out of beng involved in her disappearance.
Fortunately you’re not tasked with finding out.  Let’s hope those who are are able to be a little more discerning when evaluating the evidence and discard possibilities which are clearly ludicrous.
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Post by: carlymichelle on March 15, 2019, 07:38:12 AM
it  is already listed on netflix australia we will get it  tonight  or tommrow    the preview is on there though
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Post by: carlymichelle on March 15, 2019, 07:40:40 AM
I don't want 'it' to be anything in particular. I repeat; I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann so I can't rule anyone out of beng involved in her disappearance.

you will never  get though  to them   they will deny the possible involvement  of the mcanns    forever
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Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 15, 2019, 07:49:55 AM
you will never  get though  to them   they will deny the possible involvement  of the mcanns    forever
Do you think it’s possible Madeleine was abducted by a stranger?  Seriously? 
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Post by: barrier on March 15, 2019, 08:05:04 AM
Do you think it’s possible Madeleine was abducted by a stranger?  Seriously?


The answer to that imo is from Pedro Do Carmo when asked if he accepts the girl was abducted,he said we don't know what happened and have to be open to other possibility's.
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Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 15, 2019, 08:08:56 AM

The answer to that imo is from Pedro Do Carmo when asked if he accepts the girl was abducted,he said we don't know what happened and have to be open to other possibility's.
A politician’s answer.  Why are you unable to give a straight answer?  Yes or no?
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Post by: G-Unit on March 15, 2019, 08:09:40 AM
You have said nothing has been rulef out so by definition you think thst is possible

Maybe so, but you made it sould like it was a theory I subscribed to. I have no theory. If the case is ever solved (which I doubt) we could all be surprised.
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Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 15, 2019, 08:20:03 AM
Maybe so, but you made it sould like it was a theory I subscribed to. I have no theory. If the case is ever solved (which I doubt) we could all be surprised.
Didn’t you once describe stranger abduction as “almost impossible “ in your view?
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Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 15, 2019, 08:22:19 AM
Unless we know for sure why two of the suspects would invite a critical witness whom they had never known before, to their home and exactly what they spoke about, only a fool would rule anything out.. including abduction. Suspects approaching critical witnesses is never a good idea imo. Innocent suspects that is..
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Post by: G-Unit on March 15, 2019, 08:22:49 AM
you will never  get though  to them   they will deny the possible involvement  of the mcanns    forever

Of course they will. The McCanns were British doctors, don'tcha know. British doctors don't commit crimes do they?
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Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 15, 2019, 08:31:15 AM
Of course they will. The McCanns were British doctors, don'tcha know. British doctors don't commit crimes do they?
That post is beneath you, and certainly beneath contempt.
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Post by: Heriberto Janosch on March 15, 2019, 08:38:51 AM
IMO Grange know what happened, after discarding the rest of hypothesis. They know who is the offender, after discarding the rest of possibilities. All their efforts in the last years is about getting a proof to judicially prosecute him.

(Note by editor.  I have reverted this post and added an IMO)
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Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 15, 2019, 08:41:03 AM
IMO Grange know what happened, after discarding the rest of hypothesis. They know who is the offender, after discarding the rest of possibilities. All their efforts in the last years is about getting a proof to judicially prosecute him.
Ah right, so Grange haven't told you this information directly? It's your opinion, fair enough. I thought we had a breakthrough for a moment.
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Post by: barrier on March 15, 2019, 08:41:20 AM
Fortunately you’re not tasked with finding out.  Let’s hope those who are are able to be a little more discerning when evaluating the evidence and discard possibilities which are clearly ludicrous.


Do you include SY in the ludicrous when they were digging up the Portuguese countryside whilst there is every possibility or probability according to some the girl is living with a loving family.
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Post by: barrier on March 15, 2019, 08:43:07 AM
IMO Grange know what happened, after discarding the rest of hypothesis. They know who is the offender, after discarding the rest of possibilities. All their efforts in the last years is about getting a proof to judicially prosecute him.


SY have no jurisdiction in Portugal,so where is the proscecution to be?
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Post by: G-Unit on March 15, 2019, 08:45:41 AM
Didn’t you once describe stranger abduction as “almost impossible “ in your view?

I find it difficult to believe given the timeline and the risk. Kate McCann referred to a snall window of opportunity and she was only talking about a small gap in the group's timeline. We know that at least two other guests were around Block 5 that evening; the Moyes and the Totmans. Neither of them came forward to the PJ because neither of them saw anything. There could easily be others we don't know about.
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Post by: barrier on March 15, 2019, 08:51:32 AM
I find it difficult to believe given the timeline and the risk. Kate McCann referred to a snall window of opportunity and she was only talking about a small gap in the group's timeline. We know that at least two other guests were around Block 5 that evening; the Moyes and the Totmans. Neither of them came forward to the PJ because neither of them saw anything. There could easily be others we don't know about.


Totmans information to Redwood is what moved the timeline on imo,he obviously never saw or heard anything suspicious when passing in front of the apartments, how do we know he passed in front,JT confirms it.
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Post by: G-Unit on March 15, 2019, 08:55:06 AM
That post is beneath you, and certainly beneath contempt.

I speak as I find. The McCann's professions have often been emphasised as if theywere relevant. One poster used to refer to them as 'the Doctors McCann' quite a lot.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: G-Unit on March 15, 2019, 09:07:21 AM
Fortunately you’re not tasked with finding out.  Let’s hope those who are are able to be a little more discerning when evaluating the evidence and discard possibilities which are clearly ludicrous.

As Rowley pointed out you can never predict what criminals may do. I would take that further and say you can never predict what people may do.
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Post by: Davel on March 15, 2019, 09:56:17 AM
As Rowley pointed out you can never predict what criminals may do. I would take that further and say you can never predict what people may do.

You can make valued judgements of what people can do and have done based on the evidence
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Post by: G-Unit on March 15, 2019, 10:24:16 AM
You can make valued judgements of what people can do and have done based on the evidence

Evidence can be ambiguous or insufficient to be sure, of course.

In March 1998 a funeral director drew the attention of John Pollard, Corober, to the high death rate among GP Harold Shipman's patients. A good call based on evidence of an unusually high number of cremation forms he was presenting. The Coroner informed the police but they were unable to find enough evidence to charge him. He was only caught when clear evidence of skullduggery emerged; the forgery of a victim's will.
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Post by: Davel on March 15, 2019, 10:28:54 AM
Evidence can be ambiguous or insufficient to be sure, of course.

In March 1998 a funeral director drew the attention of John Pollard, Corober, to the high death rate among GP Harold Shipman's patients. A good call based on evidence of an unusually high number of cremation forms he was presenting. The Coroner informed the police but they were unable to find enough evidence to charge him. He was only caught when clear evidence of skullduggery emerged; the forgery of a victim's will.

Shipman had, a history if drug abuse... There was evidence..... The thread us the Netflix Film
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 15, 2019, 10:35:54 PM
Well he did get completely wrong the location of the chat with Jez and also the door he used on the 9pm check.  Could he have been inebriated?
It's unquestionable they all got a lot of things wrong, deliberately or otherwise. Surely he would have sobered up by the time he gave his statement, he'd only been in the tapas for littler more than half an hour. If he was inebriated, it must have been strong stuff he was on.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on March 17, 2019, 08:49:49 AM
It's unquestionable they all got a lot of things wrong, deliberately or otherwise. Surely he would have sobered up by the time he gave his statement, he'd only been in the tapas for littler more than half an hour. If he was inebriated, it must have been strong stuff he was on.
I think it highly likely that in the unlikely event he had to 'sober up' the news that his daughter was missing would have done the trick in a jiffy.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Lace on March 17, 2019, 11:57:08 AM
you will never  get though  to them   they will deny the possible involvement  of the mcanns    forever


That is because the McCann's are innocent.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Cheeky Monkey on March 17, 2019, 12:18:31 PM
I think it highly likely that in the unlikely event he had to 'sober up' the news that his daughter was missing would have done the trick in a jiffy.
I thought my post reflected the fact that I thought it was unlikely as well.   
I've been listening to all sorts of excuses for Gerry's May 4th statement.
So far it's, he was in inebriated or translation issues. There's been no good ones yet. 8(0(*
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on March 17, 2019, 07:13:30 PM
There's is a possibility that he used both doors on that check being so long away. Two doors would fit if he is involved because there was something most important to do! Final exit was the patio door left open for the next scheduled check by Kate but Matt checked and saw a half-open door just like Gerry.  &%%6 not ajar  *%87

IMO if Kate checked at 9:30 Madeleine would NOT have been there! Tannerman hiding in the apartment on Gerry's check and being seen leaving minutes later by Jane could explain a moving door. Of course that is the answer many would first believe but you have to ask, did that bedroom door ever move?

"The question asked, he clarifies not having told MBM's parents the facts of having found the door half-open." https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-10MAY.htm

"The twins were still asleep in the children's bedroom and the door was half open." https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 18, 2019, 12:03:15 PM
I speak as I find. The McCann's professions have often been emphasised as if theywere relevant. One poster used to refer to them as 'the Doctors McCann' quite a lot.
It's an interesting point.

I think, technically, because of my educational qualifications, I am entitled in Portugal to call myself Doctor (ShiningInLuz). 

I have never checked this out, for the simple reason that it does not make me a better person if indeed I am a Doctor here, just as I am not a worse person if I am not a Doctor.

 8((()*/
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on March 18, 2019, 12:08:53 PM
It's an interesting point.

I think, technically, because of my educational qualifications, I am entitled in Portugal to call myself Doctor (ShiningInLuz). 

I have never checked this out, for the simple reason that it does not make me a better person if indeed I am a Doctor here, just as I am not a worse person if I am not a Doctor.

 8((()*/

If you are basing this on Amaral's right to call himself Doctor then I might be inclined to keep quiet about it.
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 18, 2019, 12:44:17 PM
If you are basing this on Amaral's right to call himself Doctor then I might be inclined to keep quiet about it.
No, I am not.

I am basing it on what I put in my post.

Why did you drag Amaral into it?
Title: Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Davel on March 18, 2019, 01:38:15 PM
No, I am not.

I am basing it on what I put in my post.

Why did you drag Amaral into it?

Good point... Why bring DOCTOR amaral into a discussion on the Portuguese use of the title doctor