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Yes that's what I thought.  Although I have to say before I started looking at the case I was inclined to think (on what basis I don't know) that MM may have woke and wandered and ended up down the road works that were going on? or ended up in the ocean etc.  But based on what I've learned since imo its stranger abduction from 5A.

The most important of them all,the PJ don't allow this to be their only school of thought.
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I agree it is teamwork.  Many pairs of eyes from different backgrounds.  Also we are not under any pressure or expectation.  Plus we have not been trained to look at something in a particular way which can help imo in the more unusual cases.

But I have not just looked at this case so I bring knowledge from other cases which helps.  Eg I know the LCN DNA tests are meaningless based on the research I did on Bamber.  I know wit stats and timelines are only ever approx and will always show benign inconsistencies based on Bamber, Essex Boys and Jill Dando/Barry George.  I know efits and witness sightings are unreliable based on Jill Dando/Barry George.

How do you explain to yourself the eleven alerts by Eddie and Keela?
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A shame he never explained the reason(s) for thinking this.

Yes that's what I thought.  Although I have to say before I started looking at the case I was inclined to think (on what basis I don't know) that MM may have woke and wandered and ended up down the road works that were going on? or ended up in the ocean etc.  But based on what I've learned since imo its stranger abduction from 5A. 
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By calculating how many times the patio doors were used to enter/exit 5A you're inferring that you accept as a fact that they were so used.

Why might people say the patio doors were unlocked Monday-Thursday evening if they weren't? Obviously I don't know, but hypothetically to hide the fact that they were only left open on 3rd.

You may agree with Mrs Fenn that the patio doors were heard sliding on Tuesday because the parents were returning, but as neither of you saw them it's still an assumption. The fact is that she heard the patio doors, not that it was the parents moving them.

But to make progress you have to use reasonable and sensible inferences. 

You say you obviously don't know why they would say they used these doors it they didn't and that's just it there's no reasonable explanation to explain why they would say this if it wasn't true.  Even if one takes the position they were directly involved in MM's death how does having the patio doors unlocked assist?

Agree Mrs Fenn did not see the McCanns arrive but I think its reasonable to draw a sensible inference:

- Mrs Fenn hears what she thinks is MM crying and calling Daddy, Daddy which gets louder and more expressive
- This noise goes on from 10.30 pm to 11.45 pm
- At 11.45 pm Mrs Fenn hears the patio doors open and the noise stops

If the above wasn't the McCanns entering 5A having just left tapas who was it and what caused the crying and calling Daddy to stop? 
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He was meaning

a) an abductor entered 5A and exited with MM

or

b) MM woke and wandered and was abducted from outside

He made the point she was not old enough to make the decision to start a new life elsewhere.  It seems from the above he has ruled out woke and wandered and came to some harm by her own actions.

A shame he never explained the reason(s) for thinking this.
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He said "however" she left the apartment she was abducted.
That could mean by what means,what he never said was by a stranger.

The most important people of all,the PJ say they have to be prepared for different scenario's.

He was meaning

a) an abductor entered 5A and exited with MM

or

b) MM woke and wandered and was abducted from outside

He made the point she was not old enough to make the decision to start a new life elsewhere.  It seems from the above he has ruled out woke and wandered and came to some harm by her own actions. 
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I didn't say what I quoted was fact.

Why do you think the McCanns would say they left for tapas via patio doors and carried out the checks via these doors if this wasn't the case? 

Why do you think RO would say he checked on 3rd May at circa 9.30 pm via the patio doors if this wasn't the case?

Mrs Fenn heard what she thought was MM crying on 1st May from 10.30 pm to 11.45 pm.  She also heard a child calling Daddy, Daddy.  Apparently all of this got louder and more expressive to the point she was so worried she felt the need to call a friend and discussed.  At approx 11.45 pm she heard the patio doors open and the noise ceased.  If this wasn't the McCanns entering who do you think it was?

By calculating how many times the patio doors were used to enter/exit 5A you're inferring that you accept as a fact that they were so used.

Why might people say the patio doors were unlocked Monday-Thursday evening if they weren't? Obviously I don't know, but hypothetically to hide the fact that they were only left open on 3rd.

You may agree with Mrs Fenn that the patio doors were heard sliding on Tuesday because the parents were returning, but as neither of you saw them it's still an assumption. The fact is that she heard the patio doors, not that it was the parents moving them.
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I don't really inderstand your post, sorry.

Sil argues that the restaurant and bar are seperate buidings with a cleat gap between them. Kate McCann describes the restaurant as an open-air canopied addition to the bar. The staff say the group's table was near the bar on the esplanade. Misty thinks it was among the other tables not on the esplanade. I still don't know who's right.

Well I would say Sil and KM are both right.  It seems to me there is somewhat of a gap between the two but if asked to describe I might well say the restaurant was an addition to the bar since the bar has a tiled roof and the restaurant looks like some sort of semi-perm structure that could be unassembled.

Ok I'll read what the staff said but how is which table they sat at relevant to anything?  Imo its total BS they could see the patio doors from that area during the hours of dusk/darkness.  And why bother going out to eat, drink and a bit of a social if one of you has to remain fixed on the patio doors? 
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Don Banfield's wife and daughter had their convictions overturned on Appeal. The Met's evidence wasn't conclusive enough.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23522195

The convictions were quashed because the appeal court judges decided that it wasn't possible to exclude the possibility that either the mother or daughter had been responsible without the participation of the other.  The jury had convicted on the basis of joint enterprise. 

The point is it is possible to convict without a body eg the case of Suzanne Pilley where David Gilroy was found guilty.
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So it seems then everything is in order here?  The group ate and spent the evenings in the so-called tapas restaurant under that grey roofed canopy which hangs over some sort of beam like structure?  Then on the 2nd May they ventured into the bar and it seems that green canopy is let down?

I don't really inderstand your post, sorry.

Sil argues that the restaurant and bar are seperate buidings with a cleat gap between them. Kate McCann describes the restaurant as an open-air canopied addition to the bar. The staff say the group's table was near the bar on the esplanade. Misty thinks it was among the other tables not on the esplanade. I still don't know who's right.
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