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Offline Angelo222

Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« on: November 12, 2018, 02:43:40 PM »
More humility and less arrogance would have stood them in good stead from the outset.  The classic being the English social worker who went to assist immediately but was told in no uncertain terms to go away.

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Offline The General

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2018, 03:01:47 PM »
More humility and less arrogance would have stood them in good stead from the outset.  The classic being the English social worker who went to assist immediately but was told in no uncertain terms to go away.
Went to assist before this became the unfathomable circus that we know today. What was she thinking, with her experience, qualifications and knowledge; of her own volition, offering her assistance like that?
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Offline Davel

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2018, 03:03:34 PM »
More humility and less arrogance would have stood them in good stead from the outset.  The classic being the English social worker who went to assist immediately but was told in no uncertain terms to go away.

She was not in any way qualified to help... She deserved to told to leave imo
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Offline Brietta

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2018, 03:06:58 PM »
More humility and less arrogance would have stood them in good stead from the outset.  The classic being the English social worker who went to assist immediately but was told in no uncertain terms to go away.

Why would any private individual assume the right to approach individuals in the circumstances she did as they awaited being taken to be formally interviewed by the Policia Judiciaria? and why would anyone think it was appropriate for her to do so?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2018, 03:10:35 PM »
Went to assist before this became the unfathomable circus that we know today. What was she thinking, with her experience, qualifications and knowledge; of her own volition, offering her assistance like that?

And with an anonymous letter to help The Police.  How very public spirited.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2018, 03:13:58 PM »
Why would any private individual assume the right to approach individuals in the circumstances she did as they awaited being taken to be formally interviewed by the Policia Judiciaria? and why would anyone think it was appropriate for her to do so?

She was English and was best placed to give support but that group didn't want any lowly social worker being able to see what they had been up to imo.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2018, 03:15:12 PM »
And with an anonymous letter to help The Police.  How very public spirited.

She was correct to raise her suspicions.
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Offline Davel

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2018, 03:25:28 PM »
She was correct to raise her suspicions.

She was... And the McCann's were right to tell her to clear off... She had no right to interfere... IMO she had no skills to offer
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Offline Carana

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2018, 03:37:52 PM »
More humility and less arrogance would have stood them in good stead from the outset.  The classic being the English social worker who went to assist immediately but was told in no uncertain terms to go away.

At a time of distress, how she was welcomed might have depended on how she handled the situation.

If she came across as bossy-boots (and clearly didn't have a legal mandate), she could have been from a tabloid, for all that anyone knew in that immediate aftermath while the press were gathering.

On the other hand, her desire to help may have been quite genuine. However, if she wanted to talk to a hysterical Kate on her own to question her about the disappearance as a potential parental abduction (in the event one or the other or both weren't the biological  parents), all three knew that this wasn't the case and her appearance could no doubt have appeared ill-timed.

I could have accepted that until her supposed suspicion about the third person present. Why on earth didn't she do a bit of basic research prior to communicating that name to the police with  her suspicions?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2018, 03:42:00 PM »
She was English and was best placed to give support but that group didn't want any lowly social worker being able to see what they had been up to imo.

What support?  There wasn't anything that Yvonne Martin could do.  She must have known that.  It was a Police Investigation in a foreign country.

The McCanns have never even attempted to deny leaving the children.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2018, 03:44:26 PM »
She was correct to raise her suspicions.

Then she should have had the decency and professionalism to put her name to those suspicions.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2018, 03:45:58 PM »
She was... And the McCann's were right to tell her to clear off... She had no right to interfere... IMO she had no skills to offer

It was extremely interesting the information which Yvonne Martin gleamed from Kate before she clammed up.  A couple took the child and they checked the children every hour.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm
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Offline Sunny

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2018, 03:49:50 PM »
She was not in any way qualified to help... She deserved to told to leave imo

How on earth can you say that Davel?  She was a qualified child protection social worker. What were her qualifications, what is her role, how does she work with parents in extremis.

You have no idea of anything about her so you are not qualified to say that IMO.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2018, 03:52:03 PM »
How on earth can you say that Davel?  She was a qualified child protection social worker. What were her qualifications, what is her role, how does she work with parents in extremis.

You have no idea of anything about her so you are not qualified to say that IMO.

It is so often what you don't say that matters.

Offline Sunny

Re: Why was Yvonne Martin's offer of help dismissed so readily?
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2018, 03:56:23 PM »
It is so often what you don't say that matters.

Could you explain that please Eleanor?
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