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Offline Faithlilly

The Perfect Patsy ?
« on: January 13, 2019, 11:48:06 AM »
It has been suggested many times on this forum that the McCanns were suspected of being involved in their daughterís disappearance and made arguidos simply because the PJ were too lazy to look elsewhere.

From almost day one the parents had a dizzying array of support from not only several governmental departments but the media and multiple legal entities. A daunting ensemble for a police force attempting to manufacture a fit up. Murat, on the other hand, had none of the aforementioned advantages, in fact the media were as damning of him as they were supportive of the parents. In fact a perfect patsy, if one was needed.

Why then did the PJ aim their investigation at the couple who would, undoubtedly, be harder to gain a conviction against rather than the almost unsupported, maligned individual who would be easy ?
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline Eleanor

Re: The Perfect Patsy ?
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2019, 12:24:40 PM »

I suspect that The PJ saw Robert Murat as the perfect helper in an area that The McCanns didn't know.  Unfortunately they  weren't able to link him to The McCanns.  Although some serious speculation was offered on Forums.  Exeter being one place that continually cropped up.

Offline barrier

Re: The Perfect Patsy ?
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2019, 12:28:23 PM »
I suspect that The PJ saw Robert Murat as the perfect helper in an area that The McCanns didn't know.  Unfortunately they  weren't able to link him to The McCanns.  Although some serious speculation was offered on Forums.  Exeter being one place that continually cropped up.


Why do you offer an opinion its unfortunate not to be able to link Murat to the McCanns?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Perfect Patsy ?
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2019, 12:34:37 PM »
For one, the McCanns did not enjoy ANY support from the Portuguese media or government officials in my opinion, for two, Murat was a mate of the local police and did work for them previously iirc.  For three, the McCanns appeared to rub the sensitive Portuguese police up the wrong way from day one.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: The Perfect Patsy ?
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2019, 12:35:54 PM »

Why do you offer an opinion its unfortunate not to be able to link Murat to the McCanns?

Unfortunate for The PJ.  They knew that The McCanns could not have covered up an accident and disposed of a body without help.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: The Perfect Patsy ?
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2019, 12:42:05 PM »
I suspect that The PJ saw Robert Murat as the perfect helper in an area that The McCanns didn't know.  Unfortunately they  weren't able to link him to The McCanns.  Although some serious speculation was offered on Forums.  Exeter being one place that continually cropped up.

Then why make him an arguido ?
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Perfect Patsy ?
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2019, 12:45:49 PM »
Then why make him an arguido ?
Pressure to appear to be making some progress I expect.
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline Eleanor

Re: The Perfect Patsy ?
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2019, 12:50:08 PM »
Then why make him an arguido ?

As far as I remember Murat chose to be made Arguido.  People can you know.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: The Perfect Patsy ?
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2019, 01:11:05 PM »
As far as I remember Murat chose to be made Arguido.  People can you know.

I donít think he did Eleanor. Of course I am willing to have my mind changed if you have a cite.
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline barrier

Re: The Perfect Patsy ?
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2019, 01:20:37 PM »
As far as I remember Murat chose to be made Arguido.  People can you know.


Did he?


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He was told that he is being considered a defendant in these proceedings, it having been given and explained to him the rights and duties under art. 61 of the Code of Criminal Procedure and, concerning legal support, the Law no. 34/2004 of 29/07, and the document of constitution of defendant was given to him. He is signing as having received the above.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Perfect Patsy ?
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2019, 01:27:17 PM »
Interesting:

Service Information document dated 11 May 2007 from Inspector Pedro Varanda relating to an informal conversation with Robert Murat

As you will know, Sir, on this day at 11h30, there appeared before the undersigned and (lady) Inspector Patricia Duarte, a British citizen called Diane Webster, holder of UK passport XXXXXXX, in order to hear her witness statement.

In the course of an informal approach that preceeded that work, it was determined that she was not conversant in Portuguese, written or spoken, and the service of an English-speaking interpreter was therefore called for.

In this function appeared a British citizen, Robert J.Q.E. Murat (duly identified in the files from previous work), official resident of Casa Liliana, Rua Ramalhete, Praia da Luz, Lagos.

The work [the DW interview] being concluded, and during an informal conversation that the undersigned began with that interpreter (as would be characteristic in this type of situation), Robert Murat displayed an unusual curiosity about the investigation that was developing around the disappearance of the minor Madeleine McCann that occurred on 3 May 2007.

As an example, it will be proper to point out that he has insistently and repeatedly questioned me about the identity of possible suspects, about the strategy outlined by the lead coordinator of the investigation and the work that might possibly have been considered for the coming days.

Faced with such an attitude, that was so unusual and absolutely inappropriate that I immediately became highly suspicious, I always ducked the questions, insistently requesting that person to be aware of the contractual duties pertaining to the role which he has assumed in this investigation, pointing out that it was presently the inquiry phase, and, naturally, covered by judicial secrecy.

It behoves me further to state that that suspicion became even more consolidated, following the fact that I became aware that Robert Murat would covertly attempt to catch glimpses of various procedural pieces i.e. items being prepared for the case file, that make up the present inquiry, to the point that I followed my own hunch, in order to conduct the Diane Webster interview.

Finally, and in the sense of reiterating the suspicious attitude shown by Robert Murat, I venture still to state that, beyond having manifested an enormous knowledge about the dynamics inherent in the functioning of the "Ocean Club Garden", in which the events under investigation had taken place, and of the routines followed by the McCann family and their companions during their respective stays in in Praia da Luz, he has tried persistently to influence the conduct of the present investigation, suggesting various analyses the agreement with which [i.e. had we agreed to follow those suggested lines of inquiry] could be intended to impute the perpetration of the present illegal act against the missing child to foreign third parties [i.e. to put the blame on, or to attribute the blame to, outside foreigners].

The above being laid bare - and without intending to place any competence on the above individual, nor the slightest imputation regarding my suspicions about what he actually intended to do - I have to bring the above incidents to your attention, in order for you to determine what may be appropriate.

11 May 2007
Inspector Pedro Varanda

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So we hear a lot about Amaral's gut instinct and copper's intuition, what do we make of Inspector Pedro Vanranda's?
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline barrier

Re: The Perfect Patsy ?
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2019, 01:38:48 PM »

So we hear a lot about Amaral's gut instinct and copper's intuition, what do we make of Inspector Pedro Vanranda's?


One of the reasons Murat was made an arguido 3 days later? nothing came of it though.
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Online Davel

Re: The Perfect Patsy ?
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2019, 01:45:19 PM »
It has been suggested many times on this forum that the McCanns were suspected of being involved in their daughterís disappearance and made arguidos simply because the PJ were too lazy to look elsewhere.

From almost day one the parents had a dizzying array of support from not only several governmental departments but the media and multiple legal entities. A daunting ensemble for a police force attempting to manufacture a fit up. Murat, on the other hand, had none of the aforementioned advantages, in fact the media were as damning of him as they were supportive of the parents. In fact a perfect patsy, if one was needed.

Why then did the PJ aim their investigation at the couple who would, undoubtedly, be harder to gain a conviction against rather than the almost unsupported, maligned individual who would be easy ?

cite for...couldnt be bothered to look elsewhere.....my opinion as ive said many times is taht the pj misunderstood the evidence and thought it pointed towards the mccanns
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Perfect Patsy ?
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2019, 01:47:27 PM »

One of the reasons Murat was made an arguido 3 days later? nothing came of it though.
So does that mean a coppers gut instinct really isn't worth the paper its written on, or what?
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline Eleanor

Re: The Perfect Patsy ?
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2019, 01:48:16 PM »
I donít think he did Eleanor. Of course I am willing to have my mind changed if you have a cite.

It doesn't say whether he chose or not, only that he was made.