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Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #180 on: February 28, 2019, 09:16:49 AM »
I hadn't read that Wiki page all the way through:

Legislative history

On 13 November 2017, the Brexit Secretary, David Davis, announced plans for a new Bill to enshrine the Withdrawal Agreement, if any, between the UK and the EU in domestic law by primary legislation. Upon further questioning in the House of Commons, Davis clarified that if MPs chose not to pass the bill, the UK would remain on course to leave the EU on 29 March 2019 without a deal as a consequence of invoking Article 50 in March 2017, after the passing of the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017.[3]

Described by The Independent as the government "caving in" to Tory rebels, the new bill would allow MPs to scrutinise any agreement "line-by-line", as well as make amendments.[4] Conservative MP, Steve Baker, writing for The Times, claimed the new bill "gives whatever deal we strike with the EU proper standing in British law" and that it was consistent with the referendum result, in proving "more control over how we are governed to the UK Parliament."[5]


Ok, so going back:

United Kingdom invocation of Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union


Letter from Theresa May invoking Article 50

On 29 March 2017, the United Kingdom (UK) invoked Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union (TEU) which began the member state's withdrawal, commonly known as Brexit, from the European Union (EU). In compliance with the TEU, the UK gave formal notice to the European Council of its intention to withdraw from the EU to allow withdrawal negotiations to begin.

The process of leaving the EU was initiated by a referendum held in June 2016 which favoured British withdrawal from the EU with a 52% majority. In October 2016, the UK Prime Minister, Theresa May, announced that Article 50 would be invoked by "the first quarter of 2017".[1] On 24 January 2017 the Supreme Court ruled in the Miller case that the process could not be initiated without an authorising act of Parliament, and unanimously ruled against the Scottish government's claim in respect of devolution. Consequently, the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017 empowering the prime minister to invoke Article 50 was enacted in March 2017.

Invocation of Article 50 occurred on 29 March 2017, when Sir Tim Barrow, the Permanent Representative of the United Kingdom to the European Union, formally delivered by hand a letter signed by Prime Minister Theresa May to Donald Tusk, the President of the European Council in Brussels.[2] The letter also contained the United Kingdom's intention to withdraw from the European Atomic Energy Community (EAEC or Euratom). This means that the UK is scheduled to cease being a member of the EU at 00:00, 30 March 2019 Brussels time (UTC+1), which would be 23:00 on 29 March British time.[3][4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_invocation_of_Article_50_of_the_Treaty_on_European_Union

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #181 on: February 28, 2019, 09:34:40 AM »
It was up to the politicians to inform the people, surely? Why, after the people voted to leave, did the politicians then vote for Article 50? Di they not understand what they were voting for?


But they did: on the side of a bus, and micro-targetting on FB, with Bannon, Banks, Breitbart and Russian bots lending a helping hand.

The Remain campaign appears to have been fact-based as opposed to appealing to tabloidesque emotional reactions. It was also quite probably far too complacent in assuming it would be defeated.

Re the second point, I'm not sure of what would have happened. An automatic no-deal?

Did they all realise that it was advisory only, despite that phrase on a publicity leaflet? Corbyn wanted out (until he was strung to the ceiling to support a people's vote). Conservatives include the right-wing ERG lot.

The "soft Brexiters" or even Remainers may have had no idea that the UK could end up 30 or so days away from train hurtling towards a cliff face.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #182 on: March 08, 2019, 02:35:27 PM »

But they did: on the side of a bus, and micro-targetting on FB, with Bannon, Banks, Breitbart and Russian bots lending a helping hand.

The Remain campaign appears to have been fact-based as opposed to appealing to tabloidesque emotional reactions. It was also quite probably far too complacent in assuming it would be defeated.

Re the second point, I'm not sure of what would have happened. An automatic no-deal?

Did they all realise that it was advisory only, despite that phrase on a publicity leaflet? Corbyn wanted out (until he was strung to the ceiling to support a people's vote). Conservatives include the right-wing ERG lot.

The "soft Brexiters" or even Remainers may have had no idea that the UK could end up 30 or so days away from train hurtling towards a cliff face.



Oh your language is so.. erm so.. we are all going to die right? Ok so what will the EU do then?  why not tell us you seem to be the all telling all knowing oracle in this.

Both sides have jumped onto a band wagon.

What you and others fail to realise is the media do not control everyone. so your daft claims about "The Remain campaign appears to have been fact-based as opposed to appealing to tabloidesque emotional reactions. "


and these FACTS? based on "the side of a bus, and micro-targetting on FB, with Bannon, Banks, Breitbart and Russian bots lending a helping hand. "

There is absolutely NO evidence to suggest people were influenced by the events you mention.

The evidence I would draw is the fact that the SNP gained a lot of votes and ground because main stream politics were following EU directives /rules and miss apportionatly applying discrimination against its own majority indigenous population!  way back in the day before the vote!

You really have no argument to offer at all- all talk and reading other peoples stories.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin