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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4755 on: January 06, 2019, 09:00:31 PM »
Could it have been part of the reason to wake and then wander?

I don't know Rob. I haven't put forward a theory. I wasn't there- I don't know or claim to know what happened. I just read and listen and observe from many outlets regarding this case. And I dismiss the more outlandish theories based on my research.

I do not believe the parents version of what happened, analysing their stories and timelines suggests all sorts IMO. What it is  - I do not know. I can guess, and put forward a theory about that, but that would attract uncalled for criticism.  ^*&&
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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4756 on: January 06, 2019, 10:11:05 PM »
I don't know Rob. I haven't put forward a theory. I wasn't there- I don't know or claim to know what happened. I just read and listen and observe from many outlets regarding this case. And I dismiss the more outlandish theories based on my research.

I do not believe the parents version of what happened, analysing their stories and timelines suggests all sorts IMO. What it is  - I do not know. I can guess, and put forward a theory about that, but that would attract uncalled for criticism.  ^*&&
But you are clever enough to pick up a bit about what is going on. 
« Last Edit: January 07, 2019, 12:54:44 AM by Angelo222 »
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

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« Reply #4757 on: January 06, 2019, 10:19:52 PM »
But you are clever enough to pick up a bit about what is going on.

I do not believe the parents version of account because it makes no sense whatsoever!
« Last Edit: January 07, 2019, 12:56:28 AM by Angelo222 »
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Offline Brietta

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« Reply #4758 on: January 07, 2019, 11:17:05 AM »

For those interested in solving cases pre-CCTV and pre-DNA advances, BBC2 is showing a documentary tonight at 11.15 called "The Babes in the Wood Murders: The Prosecutors"
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Faithlilly

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« Reply #4759 on: January 07, 2019, 12:14:34 PM »
For those interested in solving cases pre-CCTV and pre-DNA advances, BBC2 is showing a documentary tonight at 11.15 called "The Babes in the Wood Murders: The Prosecutors"

The case was solved due to advances in DNA techniques not pre-DNA advances.
“Without delving into the details of the case, Ellis admitted that the British police had developed the current evidence against the McCann parents, and he stressed that authorities from both countries were working co-operatively."

Offline Miss Taken Identity

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« Reply #4760 on: January 07, 2019, 02:22:06 PM »
Such was the distrust of the police recognised by Jenny Murat who set up her information stall to combat it.


Is that why we have crimestoppers and crimewatch and annonymous reporting of crime?

 This was a holiday resort, she may have felt she was helping and supporting the family by offering extra pair of hands. And as there was rumours of suspected burglars, she may have wanted to be a go between for anyone who was perhaps commiting a crime and may have saw something that night. Which does make sense actually.
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Offline Sunny

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« Reply #4761 on: January 07, 2019, 04:43:59 PM »

Is that why we have crimestoppers and crimewatch and annonymous reporting of crime?

 This was a holiday resort, she may have felt she was helping and supporting the family by offering extra pair of hands. And as there was rumours of suspected burglars, she may have wanted to be a go between for anyone who was perhaps commiting a crime and may have saw something that night. Which does make sense actually.

Or perhaps she was interested in the case as we all are.   
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Offline barrier

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« Reply #4762 on: January 07, 2019, 05:42:08 PM »
Do you think so?  I really don't.

Extremely lucky imo.
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Offline jassi

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« Reply #4763 on: January 07, 2019, 05:46:59 PM »
There is little which connects the conduct of Madeleine's case with even the Gene Hunt era in British policing and if you don't think failure to check one of the very few CCTV cameras in Luz is an investigative failure that is your prerogative.

Of course the camera may not even have been working at the time in question, as sometimes seems to be the case with these pesky cameras.
Missed opportunity to tick a box though
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Offline Eleanor

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« Reply #4764 on: January 07, 2019, 05:49:31 PM »

Wasn't there another camera that Amaral got to too late?

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« Reply #4765 on: January 07, 2019, 05:57:31 PM »
Of course the camera may not even have been working at the time in question, as sometimes seems to be the case with these pesky cameras.
Missed opportunity to tick a box though

On 26/5/2007 the Smiths undertook a "secret" reconstruction for the PJ. Did no-one at that time notice the presence of the CCTV on Estrela da Luz or during subsequent checks on possible routes from 5A to the Smiths' sighting location? Aside from that, the journalist met at Hugo Beatty's in the same hotel for daily updates....and no-one thought to check?
Paiva got the CCTV from the Paraiso Beach Restaurant on 9/5/07.......http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/OA3_8/03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_675.jpg.

Offline Faithlilly

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« Reply #4766 on: January 07, 2019, 06:53:42 PM »
On 26/5/2007 the Smiths undertook a "secret" reconstruction for the PJ. Did no-one at that time notice the presence of the CCTV on Estrela da Luz or during subsequent checks on possible routes from 5A to the Smiths' sighting location? Aside from that, the journalist met at Hugo Beatty's in the same hotel for daily updates....and no-one thought to check?
Paiva got the CCTV from the Paraiso Beach Restaurant on 9/5/07.......http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/OA3_8/03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_675.jpg.

Estrela da Luz is a complex of apartments not a hotel.
“Without delving into the details of the case, Ellis admitted that the British police had developed the current evidence against the McCann parents, and he stressed that authorities from both countries were working co-operatively."

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« Reply #4767 on: January 07, 2019, 07:01:06 PM »
Estrela da Luz is a complex of apartments not a hotel.

An Aparthotel then. It's described as a hotel on the top google link for Estrela da Luz.

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4768 on: January 07, 2019, 07:05:32 PM »

Is that why we have crimestoppers and crimewatch and annonymous reporting of crime?

 This was a holiday resort, she may have felt she was helping and supporting the family by offering extra pair of hands. And as there was rumours of suspected burglars, she may have wanted to be a go between for anyone who was perhaps commiting a crime and may have saw something that night. Which does make sense actually.
If something was reported through "Crimestoppers" would the police even admit to that, if the request was to keep the information confidential?  The fact that the information is kept confidential is paramount to the way "Crimestoppers" works.  So we end up making guesses as to whether anyone happened to contact "Crimestoppers".

If someone admitted to a crime via "Crimestoppers" that wouldn't be subject to confidentiality, maybe they would still keep it quiet that "Crimestoppers" was involved.

What is the wording on the site?

"Give information on crime anonymously online."

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Anonymous means no-one will ever know you contacted Crimestoppers to pass on information about crime.
We know our guarantee to never ask for your name and never to make available details of your call is vitally important to you.

It makes it easier for you to come forward and break the silence around criminal activity.

Anonymous means
You will never be asked for your name.
Your call details will never be made available.
Your call or secure online web form will not be traced.
You will not have to make a statement to the police.
You will not appear in court.
We create a report from the information you give us. Our call takers will make sure it contains nothing that might identify you, eg if the call is about your neighbour we will not mention this, unless you volunteer this information. We don’t even make a note of your gender.

We understand how hard it can be to call, which is why all our call takers are trained to help you tell us everything you know.

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To give information anonymously to Crimestoppers now, call 0800 555 111 or fill out our secure, anonymous online Giving Information Form."

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Offline Faithlilly

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« Reply #4769 on: January 07, 2019, 11:01:32 PM »
An Aparthotel then. It's described as a hotel on the top google link for Estrela da Luz.

I have stayed there and I can assure you it’s apartments not a hotel. In fact it’s much the same as the Mark Warner site, apartments surrounding a pool and restaurants.
“Without delving into the details of the case, Ellis admitted that the British police had developed the current evidence against the McCann parents, and he stressed that authorities from both countries were working co-operatively."