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« Reply #4755 on: January 07, 2019, 05:42:08 PM »
Do you think so?  I really don't.

Extremely lucky imo.
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Offline jassi

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« Reply #4756 on: January 07, 2019, 05:46:59 PM »
There is little which connects the conduct of Madeleine's case with even the Gene Hunt era in British policing and if you don't think failure to check one of the very few CCTV cameras in Luz is an investigative failure that is your prerogative.

Of course the camera may not even have been working at the time in question, as sometimes seems to be the case with these pesky cameras.
Missed opportunity to tick a box though
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Online Eleanor

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« Reply #4757 on: January 07, 2019, 05:49:31 PM »

Wasn't there another camera that Amaral got to too late?

Offline misty

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« Reply #4758 on: January 07, 2019, 05:57:31 PM »
Of course the camera may not even have been working at the time in question, as sometimes seems to be the case with these pesky cameras.
Missed opportunity to tick a box though

On 26/5/2007 the Smiths undertook a "secret" reconstruction for the PJ. Did no-one at that time notice the presence of the CCTV on Estrela da Luz or during subsequent checks on possible routes from 5A to the Smiths' sighting location? Aside from that, the journalist met at Hugo Beatty's in the same hotel for daily updates....and no-one thought to check?
Paiva got the CCTV from the Paraiso Beach Restaurant on 9/5/07.......http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/OA3_8/03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_675.jpg.

Offline Faithlilly

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« Reply #4759 on: January 07, 2019, 06:53:42 PM »
On 26/5/2007 the Smiths undertook a "secret" reconstruction for the PJ. Did no-one at that time notice the presence of the CCTV on Estrela da Luz or during subsequent checks on possible routes from 5A to the Smiths' sighting location? Aside from that, the journalist met at Hugo Beatty's in the same hotel for daily updates....and no-one thought to check?
Paiva got the CCTV from the Paraiso Beach Restaurant on 9/5/07.......http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/OA3_8/03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_675.jpg.

Estrela da Luz is a complex of apartments not a hotel.
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline misty

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« Reply #4760 on: January 07, 2019, 07:01:06 PM »
Estrela da Luz is a complex of apartments not a hotel.

An Aparthotel then. It's described as a hotel on the top google link for Estrela da Luz.

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« Reply #4761 on: January 07, 2019, 07:05:32 PM »

Is that why we have crimestoppers and crimewatch and annonymous reporting of crime?

 This was a holiday resort, she may have felt she was helping and supporting the family by offering extra pair of hands. And as there was rumours of suspected burglars, she may have wanted to be a go between for anyone who was perhaps commiting a crime and may have saw something that night. Which does make sense actually.
If something was reported through "Crimestoppers" would the police even admit to that, if the request was to keep the information confidential?  The fact that the information is kept confidential is paramount to the way "Crimestoppers" works.  So we end up making guesses as to whether anyone happened to contact "Crimestoppers".

If someone admitted to a crime via "Crimestoppers" that wouldn't be subject to confidentiality, maybe they would still keep it quiet that "Crimestoppers" was involved.

What is the wording on the site?

"Give information on crime anonymously online."

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Offline Faithlilly

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« Reply #4762 on: January 07, 2019, 11:01:32 PM »
An Aparthotel then. It's described as a hotel on the top google link for Estrela da Luz.

I have stayed there and I can assure you itís apartments not a hotel. In fact itís much the same as the Mark Warner site, apartments surrounding a pool and restaurants.
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline misty

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« Reply #4763 on: January 08, 2019, 12:14:53 AM »
I have stayed there and I can assure you itís apartments not a hotel. In fact itís much the same as the Mark Warner site, apartments surrounding a pool and restaurants.

Estrela is fully secure with a 24hr reception & CCTV so not at all like MW site.
Perhaps you would address the point in my post as to why no-one apparently noticed the CCTV & management failed to offer the tapes to the police immediately just in case there was something relevant on them.
 

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4764 on: January 08, 2019, 01:00:38 AM »
Estrela is fully secure with a 24hr reception & CCTV so not at all like MW site.
Perhaps you would address the point in my post as to why no-one apparently noticed the CCTV & management failed to offer the tapes to the police immediately just in case there was something relevant on them.
Can you be sure they didn't offer the tapes to the PJ?  It was 2 weeks before the Smiths notified the PJ so IMO that is where the problem lies.
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« Reply #4765 on: January 08, 2019, 07:22:19 AM »
Can you be sure they didn't offer the tapes to the PJ?  It was 2 weeks before the Smiths notified the PJ so IMO that is where the problem lies.
If they offered the police the tapes and they didnít even bother to look at them that would be even worse.
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« Reply #4766 on: January 08, 2019, 07:28:37 AM »
BTW, while you were watching Colin Sutton on ITV there was a truly brilliant drama on C4 entitled ďAn Uncivil WarĒ - catch it if you can.
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« Reply #4767 on: January 08, 2019, 08:13:27 AM »
If they offered the police the tapes and they didnít even bother to look at them that would be even worse.
You would be unlikely to get the PJ to admit to that.
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Offline jassi

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« Reply #4768 on: January 08, 2019, 08:45:37 AM »
Seems to me that we don't know if they got the tapes so critisising them for not looking at them seems a leap too far.
Rather like mobile phone data, cameras don't always show what you believe they will.
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« Reply #4769 on: January 08, 2019, 09:00:01 AM »
Seems to me that we don't know if they got the tapes so critisising them for not looking at them seems a leap too far.
Rather like mobile phone data, cameras don't always show what you believe they will.

As I understand it, Portuguese law doesn't allow cameras to be placed where they might pick up members of the public.
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