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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #255 on: March 14, 2019, 11:39:14 PM »
Land your living in. SY were looking for that deep sleeping child in nearby wasteland.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #256 on: March 14, 2019, 11:43:49 PM »
Land your living in. SY were looking for that deep sleeping child in nearby wasteland.

They didn't find her there though, did they.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline G-Unit

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #257 on: March 15, 2019, 08:04:42 AM »
It has always troubled me why they would put the children in the bedroom with the window directly at the car park, where the risk of parking cars waking the abandoned children was plainly obvious while they ignored the insight bedroom where the traffic noise was greatly reduced. I've often run that scenario over in my head and can never see their logic. I can't ever ignore the fact the dog alerted in the other bedroom either.

It makes sense if the plan was to copy a listening service. With all the children sleeping on the car park side of the block one person could check the windows of 5A, B and D easily and quickly. Approaching the main entrance I believe the Oldfielld and McCann windows were to the left and the O'Brien window was to the right; all facing onto the passageway.

According to Russell he and Mathew went on a check at 9.25om. Here is what he says;

"On that visit it was clear listening at the window that Evie had woken up".
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

If my understanding of the layout is correct, Russell didn't enter the block and go to his front door to enter his apartment to check on hus children, he turned right along the passageway and listened at the window first. Would he have entered his apartmenr if all had been quiet I wonder?
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Offline Cheeky Monkey

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #258 on: March 15, 2019, 10:40:50 AM »
It makes sense if the plan was to copy a listening service. With all the children sleeping on the car park side of the block one person could check the windows of 5A, B and D easily and quickly. Approaching the main entrance I believe the Oldfielld and McCann windows were to the left and the O'Brien window was to the right; all facing onto the passageway.

According to Russell he and Mathew went on a check at 9.25om. Here is what he says;

"On that visit it was clear listening at the window that Evie had woken up".
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

If my understanding of the layout is correct, Russell didn't enter the block and go to his front door to enter his apartment to check on hus children, he turned right along the passageway and listened at the window first. Would he have entered his apartmenr if all had been quiet I wonder?
The neighbour up stair gave evidence that's cast doubt in my mind that a baby listening service was ever actually put into practice. I agree, it would have made sense to give the police a plan of a copy of a baby listening service. Hell, their written timelines are documented proof of that plan. I remain to be convinced however, that plan was ever put into action on any night other than the 3rd.
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Offline kmc

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #259 on: March 15, 2019, 01:45:43 PM »
It has always troubled me why they would put the children in the bedroom with the window directly at the car park, where the risk of parking cars waking the abandoned children was plainly obvious while they ignored the insight bedroom where the traffic noise was greatly reduced. I've often run that scenario over in my head and can never see their logic. I can't ever ignore the fact the dog alerted in the other bedroom either.




IMO at that time of the year it would have been quiet whichever bedroom was selected (as a parent, I would have thought more noise would emanate from the pool/Tapas Bar side than the back street….as having visited the area, that road is pretty dead at that time of the year).  Additionally, the street bedroom required moving furniture in order to move the two single beds together.   As for the children being in a deep sleep on 3 May - I would imagine that the “tea stain” on M’s PJ top that morning (even though she supposedly had not drunk tea the night before) may indicate that difficult to administer chemicals woke two of the children the night before and prevented an abduction.  As a result, I don’t think it is too big a stretch that abductors could have returned the following evening with a less messy alternative to sedate them - particularly if waking the children didn’t seem to elicit any action for quite a length of time and that all the Tapas 9 were again seated for dinner the following day….indicating further that these kids were pretty easy targets .   That said, I notice forums often argue over issues like Tannerman /Smithman and the dogs that were brought in weeks after the incident - but all 3 have so many variables that we can’t be sure if they are actually valid/relevant to the case. I.E.  The dogs not only seemed to be “led” by their handler…. but I also imagine that the apartment over the years saw a huge quantity of stinking nappies, wet swimming costumes, sea shells and discarded food  - so no doubt some pretty horrendous smell residues that most humans would not have picked up.  Also, abductors have been known to enter properties without leaving any usable trail of DNA or fingerprints…. including Alesha Macphail and Elizabeth Smart…..and in Elizabeth’s case the guy actually worked as a handy man in the house…..and still no usable dna or fingerprints were found.  Personally, bearing all this mind I can only imagine that if SY, after all theses years, are now asking for another year of funding - it can only be justifiable if they are going after a much “bigger animal” i.e. a trafficking ring.

Offline barrier

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #260 on: March 15, 2019, 01:50:24 PM »



IMO at that time of the year it would have been quiet whichever bedroom was selected (as a parent, I would have thought more noise would emanate from the pool/Tapas Bar side than the back street….as having visited the area, that road is pretty dead at that time of the year).  Additionally, the street bedroom required moving furniture in order to move the two single beds together.   As for the children being in a deep sleep on 3 May - I would imagine that the “tea stain” on M’s PJ top that morning (even though she supposedly had not drunk tea the night before) may indicate that difficult to administer chemicals woke two of the children the night before and prevented an abduction.  As a result, I don’t think it is too big a stretch that abductors could have returned the following evening with a less messy alternative to sedate them - particularly if waking the children didn’t seem to elicit any action for quite a length of time and that all the Tapas 9 were again seated for dinner the following day….indicating further that these kids were pretty easy targets .   That said, I notice forums often argue over issues like Tannerman /Smithman and the dogs that were brought in weeks after the incident - but all 3 have so many variables that we can’t be sure if they are actually valid/relevant to the case. I.E.  The dogs not only seemed to be “led” by their handler…. but I also imagine that the apartment over the years saw a huge quantity of stinking nappies, wet swimming costumes, sea shells and discarded food  - so no doubt some pretty horrendous smell residues that most humans would not have picked up.  Also, abductors have been known to enter properties without leaving any usable trail of DNA or fingerprints…. including Alesha Macphail and Elizabeth Smart…..and in Elizabeth’s case the guy actually worked as a handy man in the house…..and still no usable dna or fingerprints were found. Personally, bearing all this mind I can only imagine that if SY, after all theses years, are now asking for another year of funding - it can only be justifiable if they are going after a much “bigger animal” i.e. a trafficking ring.


Bolded bit,that would be down to Interpol surely.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #261 on: March 15, 2019, 03:51:14 PM »



IMO at that time of the year it would have been quiet whichever bedroom was selected (as a parent, I would have thought more noise would emanate from the pool/Tapas Bar side than the back street….as having visited the area, that road is pretty dead at that time of the year).  Additionally, the street bedroom required moving furniture in order to move the two single beds together.   As for the children being in a deep sleep on 3 May - I would imagine that the “tea stain” on M’s PJ top that morning (even though she supposedly had not drunk tea the night before) may indicate that difficult to administer chemicals woke two of the children the night before and prevented an abduction.  As a result, I don’t think it is too big a stretch that abductors could have returned the following evening with a less messy alternative to sedate them - particularly if waking the children didn’t seem to elicit any action for quite a length of time and that all the Tapas 9 were again seated for dinner the following day….indicating further that these kids were pretty easy targets .   That said, I notice forums often argue over issues like Tannerman /Smithman and the dogs that were brought in weeks after the incident - but all 3 have so many variables that we can’t be sure if they are actually valid/relevant to the case. I.E.  The dogs not only seemed to be “led” by their handler…. but I also imagine that the apartment over the years saw a huge quantity of stinking nappies, wet swimming costumes, sea shells and discarded food  - so no doubt some pretty horrendous smell residues that most humans would not have picked up.  Also, abductors have been known to enter properties without leaving any usable trail of DNA or fingerprints…. including Alesha Macphail and Elizabeth Smart…..and in Elizabeth’s case the guy actually worked as a handy man in the house…..and still no usable dna or fingerprints were found.  Personally, bearing all this mind I can only imagine that if SY, after all theses years, are now asking for another year of funding - it can only be justifiable if they are going after a much “bigger animal” i.e. a trafficking ring.

All the things you list which might have affected the dogs were undoubtedly present in 5B, D, and H too, of course.
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Offline Davel

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #262 on: March 15, 2019, 04:02:04 PM »
All the things you list which might have affected the dogs were undoubtedly present in 5B, D, and H too, of course.

But of course the digs ignored areas in 5a but were allowed try again before alerting
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #263 on: March 15, 2019, 06:49:36 PM »
But of course the digs ignored areas in 5a but were allowed try again before alerting

IYO, of course.
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Offline Davel

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #264 on: March 15, 2019, 06:55:47 PM »
IYO, of course.

no its in the files...the pj were sirprised they alerted to places they had previously ignored
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #265 on: March 15, 2019, 07:00:12 PM »
no its in the files...the pj were sirprised they alerted to places they had previously ignored

The PJ were sirprised about the digs ?
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

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Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #266 on: March 15, 2019, 07:05:27 PM »
no its in the files...the pj were sirprised they alerted to places they had previously ignored

For which you have a cite no doubt.
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Offline Davel

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #267 on: March 15, 2019, 07:13:22 PM »
For which you have a cite no doubt.

I've cited it many times as you SHOULD remember.... Im surprised  you've forgotten such an important  point... I don't have the link to hand.... misty usually obliges
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