Author Topic: Statement - Eddie alerts are useless without a body, confession or forensics  (Read 30020 times)

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Offline Mo Stache

Perhaps  heri before spouting more nonsense you can go back and answer how mrs baptistas legs contaminated the investigation lol lol
Heri did not say she contaminated the investigation.

So what was the problem then?????
Heri illustrated that there are questions to be answered regarding the crime scene management.

Redblossom

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Perhaps  heri before spouting more nonsense you can go back and answer how mrs baptistas legs contaminated the investigation lol lol
Heri did not say she contaminated the investigation.

So what was the problem then?????
Heri illustrated that there are questions to be answered regarding the crime scene management.

do elaborate

Offline Benice

Interesting ...

Found in http://stopthemyths.prophpbb.com/topic5222.html ...

Gina DeJesus' disappearance ...

Ironic comment by a Stop the Myths member: "So, in short, a sniffer dog, trained to react to human remains, was used in the hunt for Gina DeJesus. The dog, which never lies, alerted in this guys property, twice in the garage. The garage was dug up but no body was found. Gina turns up alive. Dogs don't lie."

Judge orders release of man suspected in Gina DeJesus' disappearance (republished)

A judge ordered Matthew Hurayt released from the Cuyahoga County Jail Monday, overriding the protests of prosecutors who maintain he may have been involved in the disappearance of Gina DeJesus.

Assistant County Prosecutor Jennifer Driscoll said a police dog trained to alert officers to the scent of cadavers “indicated” in three locations at Hurayt's West 50th Street home on Friday that a dead body may have been present at one time.

Two of the locations where the dog sat, the indicator used to alert police, were in Hurayt's garage, where an informant told investigators Hurayt had buried the girl's body beneath a freshly poured concrete floor. Investigators tore up the floor in the garage and under a doghouse.

The dog also alerted to a location in the house, Driscoll said.

Police arrested Hurayt, 35, a registered sexual predator, on Thursday based on the informant's tip. But investigators who dug up the garage floor and searched the house didn't find a body or any physical evidence of the girl, who has been missing since April 2004. Nineteen items removed from the house will be investigated further, Driscoll said.

Investigators refused to release the inventory of the items seized or the affidavit used to obtain the search warrant. They also refused to say which judge gave authorization for the search.

Hurayt, dressed in a charcoal pinstriped suit, appeared in Common Pleas Court Monday with his lawyer, Mark Marein. Hurayt posted $20,000 bond Thursday in connection with an unrelated felonious assault case but was held in jail over the weekend.

Hurayt left the jail and climbed into a waiting Lincoln Town Car, declining to answer questions hurled by reporters.

Gina DeJesus, at age 14, disappeared in 2004 as she walked home from Wilbur Wright Middle School in Cleveland.PD


Marein criticized police and prosecutors for arresting his client and holding him for four days “without a scintilla of evidence” and the media for blowing the case out of proportion.

“Quite frankly, I thought I was representing the Prince of Darkness, for God's sake,” Marein said.

Judge Stuart Friedman met with the lawyers in his chambers before the hearing Monday and rejected Driscoll's request to increase Hurayt's bond in the assault case. The judge said the law entitled Hurayt to a reasonable bond.

“The fact that he may be involved in other criminal activity, I can't speculate about,” Friedman said.

Friedman will preside over the assault case, in which Hurayt is accused of beating a man with a hammer, breaking his jaw and several ribs.

Friedman must also sentence Hurayt in a theft case in which the defendant pleaded guilty last month. A sentencing date has not been set.

Marein said earlier that police should be held responsible for for the property damage caused during Friday's search. They estimate damage to the home at $20,000.

Hurayt has six months to file a complaint with the city's Moral Claims Commission, said Maureen Harper, spokeswoman for Mayor Frank Jackson.

Police maintain that they had a “moral and ethical obligation” to conduct the search. The tipster who pointed to Hurayt gave them some information that proved accurate, a police spokesman said.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/05/judge_orders_release_of_man_su.html


Thanks for that Heri - a good example of what can go wrong when no corroberrating evidence is found to substantiate 'alerts' by cadaver dogs. 

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Redblossom

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More  lies

Offline Benice

More  lies

What lies are you referring to?
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

AnneGuedes

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More  lies

What lies are you referring to?
What do you deduce from this article, Benice ? That dogs can give false alerts or that dogs smell cadaver but can't identity the cadaver since all cadavers smell the same ?

Offline Benice

More  lies

What lies are you referring to?
What do you deduce from this article, Benice ? That dogs can give false alerts or that dogs smell cadaver but can't identity the cadaver since all cadavers smell the same ?

Both of those Anne - plus the possibility of 'cueing' as the police had been told that her body was buried there by an informant.    Unconscious cueing can occur when the dog handler expects to find something.


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Mrs. B

You also have the further complications of cross contamination, as shown in the Shannon Matthews case.

http://news.sky.com/story/844071/sniffer-dogs-can-hinder-police-work

"The properties searched contained a high level of second-hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died," according to the NPIA report.

"This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture."