Could Madeleine have been abducted between 9.30 and 10.00?

[AnneGuedes]

 Mrs Caroline Carpenter heard a man whispering /murmuring "Madeleine, Madeleine".  She was in the vicinity of where bundleman walked to, and she was there at the correct sort of time

Unfortunately Mrs Carpenter who, according to her husband, heard someone (not specifically a man) calling "Madeleine", wasn't interviewed.  Is there a reason why she would invent this ? It was between 9:15 and 9:30. The only person who could have called Madeleine was her father. Yet at this time she taken away by the carrier..

[icabodcrane]

Why  'highly likely'  ?

There was a 55 minute window  when an abduction was possible    ...  so why is a man carrying a child  at 9.15pm  ( in a holiday resort where sleepy  kids are picked up from the creche  in late evening )   highly likely  to have been an 'abductor'  ?


Where JT saw bundleman was not on any route to, or from, the creche or the restaurant.  With the exception of one house (the one with the big pyramid in its garden) there were no houses or apartments for about 250 yards, apart from OC itself. 

That man would not carry his own child, on such a cold blustery night, for such a distance without any cover or footwear.  The child would have been awake, shivering and howling at the cold, had he done so.  That child, unless she came from OC, must have been drugged. 

That was almost certainly Madeleine


This, of course, was supported by Stephen Carpenters statement that his wife Caroline had heard the name "Madeleine, Madeleine" murmured as they neared their apartment after eating.  The Carpenters were in the right sort of place, at the right sort of time, to have heard this.

Pls check the statements; might have been Carolines statement, or Stephens .. not sure which

I've bumped this thread because it is interesting how insistant some members were  that the man Jane saw was  'the abductor'   

sadie's post above,  for instance,  gives a detailed  explanation as to how  the man Jane saw couldn't possibly be just a father taking his child home from the night creche

It is an example,  I think,  of why we should be more open minded to  all posibilities in this case

[imustpointout]

"I think you might be right John

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if we are told that another  'anonymous'  man has been identified as an entirely innocent father carrying his own child

Having dotted those two i's  Scotland Yard can get on with closing this case by pinning it on a dead paedophile  via the  'german connection'

Sorry to sound cynical"

That is an example of being open minded in this case.

[icabodcrane]

I find it difficult to believe that Madeleine was abducted at about 9.15, and I feel that it is more likely that she was abducted between 9.30 and 10. Yet, it appears that no one considers this a possibility.

Is there any reason why Madeleine could not have been abducted between 9.00 and 10.00 ?

I just noticed that Gildas was online and was reminded of this thread

Given that Scotland Yard have recently confirmed that they agree with the proposition that Gildas proposed,  I thought it was time to bump the thread

It raises so many questions  now that we know Jane Tanner did  NOT  see an  'abductor'  at 9.15pm on  that fateful night   ...  how could she have  imagined  the child was wearing the same pj's  as Madeleine ?  ...  why was the door to the children's bedroom  open wider at  9.10pm than the McCanns had left it at 8.30pm ?  ... why were the McCanns so  certain  that Jane had seen the 'abductor'  that they  suppressed e fits of an alternative sighting  ? 

Scotland Yard dismissing the linch-pin on which the McCanns'  'prefered'  abduction scenario hinged,  changes everything,  doesn't it  ? 

[VIXTE]

I've bumped this thread because it is interesting how insistant some members were  that the man Jane saw was  'the abductor'   

sadie's post above,  for instance,  gives a detailed  explanation as to how  the man Jane saw couldn't possibly be just a father taking his child home from the night creche

It is an example,  I think,  of why we should be more open minded to  all posibilities in this case

The story did not match before because Matt Oldfield came at 9.30 and did not find draft or open window, which he should have found if kidnapper went out with Madeleine at 9.15