Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tarriff ECHR Appeal Decision

[Redblossom]

There are better people than me to advise but I see it is a fairly simple and obvious case and unfortunately the people who support him are not the nicest in the World.

He has had lots of appeals and a CRCC and every time they have found the appeals without foundation.  No new evidence has emerged over the years that supports him and the few people who have supported him have indulged in threats and trolling and personal attacks on peoples families even against their children.

Among the claims you will find is that he was fitted up by MI5, Special Branch, Essex Police and the media because he is of "Royal Birth" and of course they could not just get rid of him they had to slaughter an entire family and several policeman on the way.  It makes the Diana Conspiracy or 9/11 look sane.

If you want to follow it be prepared to lose your mind and if you come down on the "guilty side" make sure you have strong locks on your doors.

Ok thanks  LOL, think I will stay behind the couch then
 

i was googling the case today and came across a site that was talking of a fit up and a cover up atthe higest level, i must  admit i switched off, cleared all  my history and  cookies, cos im easily spooked
 

you never know though maybe someone got dando assassinated, oh hang on, wrong thread
 


got confused with the similarities,sorry
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[Outlook]

Ok thanks  LOL, think I will stay behind the couch then
 

i was googling the case today and came across a site that was talking of a fit up and a cover up atthe higest level, i must  admit i switched off, cleared all  my history and  cookies, cos im easily spooked
 

you never know though maybe someone got dando assassinated, oh hang on, wrong thread
 

You are quite right.  We may sound paranoid but that does not mean that THEY are NOT to get YOU!

THEY are Everywhere!  Always Watching! Listening! Talking about us! Plotting!

[Redblossom]

You are quite right.  We may sound paranoid but that does not mean that THEY are NOT to get YOU!

THEY are Everywhere!  Always Watching! Listening! Talking about us!

 

Ok
 

Wheels  of justice they say are slow

I mean for god sake why would they take 28 yrs?? If bamber was innocent?

BUT
Any other cases in history where someone was released over 20 yrs in jail unjustly?

I think there are a few

Are you saying its 100% totally impossible he was innocent?

See u later

[John]

A counter argument of course is that you forfeit your rights to be treated humanely when you choose to take another person's life. I don't think many people have a problem with life imprisonment meaning life.

Though it is interesting that the media seems to imply it is a victory for Bamber when as Tony says, in reality if the ECHR's decision is heeded by the UK government (and there is no guarantee it will be) you will need to prove you have been rehabilitated by showing remorse and that your character has changed. Bamber would have to admit his killings first. The fact is Bamber would much rather stay in prison than get out on a technicality or parole because he wants money and he would only have the chance to get this if his conviction is overturned.

Spot on Goatboy   

And especially when they take more than one life.  What about Nevill and June Bambers human rights or those of Sheila and the boys?  Jeremy Bamber didn't give a toss for their rights back in 1985 so why should we do so now?

[Myster]

So sad that every time Bamber hits the news, a weary David Boutflour has to be wheeled out for the media once again to plead for it all to stop, yet not one of Bamber's supporters, and least of all the murderer himself will take a blind bit of notice... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23247525

Bamber thinks to himself - " Right, I've done more than my allotted 25 years... times up ! " much like he said at the funeral in '85. His sole concern if and when released is easy MONEY - loads of it, barrowfuls of it, oodles of it, and the more of it coming his way the better, even though he likes to pretend otherwise...

"If a little money comes my way, buying a small farm would perhaps be fulfilling a dream but who knows what opportunities will come my way, or if my inheritance will be returned."

Don't kid everybody, Jeremy -  you know how much land and property costs - the only thing that keeps you going is NOT thoughts of your family, but the prospect of riches shovelled into your bank account from publication/book deals, compensation claims, etc., etc., etc.

[John]

Court of Appeal upholds principle of whole-life prison terms.

Lord Chief Justice Lord Thomas delivers his ruling at the Court of Appeal.

The Court of Appeal has upheld judges' right to jail the most serious offenders in England and Wales for the rest of their lives.

The court increased a 40-year tariff to a whole-life tariff for murderer Ian McLoughlin, whose trial judge had said he was unable to pass such a sentence.

It also dismissed an appeal by murderer Lee Newell that his whole-life order had been "manifestly excessive".

The European Court of Human Rights had ruled such terms breached human rights.

In July, the European court said that while it accepted whole life orders could be justified, there should nevertheless be some way of having imprisonment reviewed after 25 years.

Tuesday's Court of Appeal ruling was welcomed by the attorney general, the justice secretary and the shadow justice secretary.

Sentencing in a number of high-profile criminal cases - including the terms to be handed out to soldier Lee Rigby's murderers - had been put on hold pending the judgement.

In the latest Court of Appeal ruling, the panel of five judges found that the Strasbourg court had been wrong when it reached a conclusion that the law of England and Wales did not clearly provide the possibility that a whole-life prison term could ever be reduced.

Read more...

[Holly Goodhead]

I am not sure I understand what all the fuss is about really.  Every prisoner still retains the right to have an application referred to the CCRC and then a potential referral to the CoA if new evidence comes to light showing he/she might have suffered a MoJ.

I guess the argument is whether prisoners should have the right to periodic reviews and the potential for parole if they show remorse and can prove they have been rehabilitated.  I find it difficult to accept the likes of Whiting and Huntley seeing the light of day again.  Interestingly I have just Googled prisoners serving whole life tariffs and Huntley and Whiting are serving minimum terms not whole life tariffs.  I cannot see that a guilty JB is worse than the likes of Huntley and Whiting?  Will have to read further to establish the thinking/differences.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prisoners_with_whole-life_tariffs

Some crimes are so heinous that imo life should mean life.  I guess there might be some argument for saying those who commit such crimes are either mentally unwell or psychopaths - psychopath being someone with zero or low levels of empathy.  If they suffer zero or low levels of empathy is it their fault?  I understand low levels of empathy are brought about by one or a combination of adverse early childhood experiences, amount of foetal exposure to testosterone and the MAO-A gene.  I guess at some point in time it will be possible to treat those at risk of carrying out harmful acts against others by medication and/or therapy before they offend  >@@(*&)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXcU8x_xK18

     

[Angelo222]

I cannot see that a guilty JB is worse than the likes of Huntley and Whiting? 

Are you for real Holly?

Whiting was convicted of killing little Sarah Payne while Huntley killed two other little girls.  Bamber was convicted of killing his 6 year old twin nephews, his sister and his parents and you wonder why that is worse.   He is technically a mass murderer, that's the difference.

[Holly Goodhead]

Are you for real Holly?

Whiting was convicted of killing little Sarah Payne while Huntley killed two other little girls.  Bamber was convicted of killing his 6 year old twin nephews, his sister and his parents and you wonder why that is worse.   He is technically a mass murderer, that's the difference.

Try telling that to Anne Eaton.  She was/is happy to take up residence in WHF.  College Close was demolished as it was deemed too ghoulish to leave standing.

Perhaps I measure the seriousness of the crimes in terms of my perception of the impact on victims and their loved ones.  As far as I can see the victims of Huntley and Whiting suffered as much, if not more, than those at WHF.  Either way if JB is guilty then life should mean life imo.  I have made that clear in a previous post.  I am not the female equivalent of Lord Longford.  I was trying to establish a reason in sentencing and I still cannot see one.  For example Anthony Entwistle murdered one woman and had previous for sexual assault.  He is serving a whole life tarriff.  How are his crimes worse than those carried out by Whiting and Huntley who have minimum terms imposed?