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Offline Brietta

Re: Claim Portuguese police ignored Madeleine McCann leads.
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2014, 09:05:33 AM »
You really don't get it do you Brietta ? Apart from a few British press statements, no doubt cut and pasted from a Mitchell press release, there is NO evidence the information contained in the file.was not followed up and ruled out of as unimportant. This happens in every criminal case and especially one as high profile as Madeleine's.

But of course context is everything. Pavia had just told the court that Kate had phoned him while Gerry was out of the country and confided in him her dream that Madeleine was lying on a hill in PDL, a fact denied by a furious Gerry, apopletic with rage, in a press conference after the court session. Pavia's credibly had to be destroyed and what better way than suggesting that he had disregarded leads that could have brought the parents poor, lost little girl home.

This was the McCanns at their most calculated and vicious and the fact that the supporters greedily gobbled  it up and are still spewing this bile out several years later speaks volumes with regard to their agenda and lack of regard for the truth.

Of course the dossier debacle did come back to haunt the McCanns when the British newspapers got hold of the files but that's a whole different story.

The bald fact is that Ricardo Paiva stated from the witness stand that it was nonsense to say that Dr Amaral’s book had not affected the search for Madeleine because people continued to send information to him. 

The fact is that when the file was inspected by Isabel Duarte – it was full of information which had not been actioned.

What kind of investigation is it that does not show the parents of a missing child photographs and video of children for elimination purposes?

These are the facts – and are indicative of how Madeleine’s campaign was botched so badly by people who were so limited they could not see past their theory, and continued until NSY really looked at the evidence.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: Claim Portuguese police ignored Madeleine McCann leads.
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2014, 12:08:25 PM »
There is correspondence in the files between Paiva and Amaral which proves that sightings were not followed up - specifically the one I remember is the sighting at Lagos Marina of a couple seen with a young child early morning 4th May 2007 - a sighting that was only very half-heartedly followed up, and then dismissed as "not relevant to the investigation".  Dismissed on what grounds exactly?  Was the couple traced?  Who was this child?  Where is the information in the files?

Then if there is correspondence in the files kindly produce it and perhaps you can also tell me what else the PJ could have done with regard to the Lagos Marina sighting ?

Of course lest we forget that the McCann PIs have not exactly covered themselves in glory when following up leads.  Remember the Barcelona marina debacle where information on what was purported to be a very important incident between a drunken stag-weekender and a 'Victoria Beckham' lookalike was given it's very own press conference on national TV. However after an exposé in the Sunday Mail ( the rag so clearly beloved by supporters ) it transpired that there had been no follow-up investigation done of this incident at the marina even though the McCann's PIs had had a jolly there.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206842/Why-did-Madeleine-McCann-detectives-ask-questions.html#ixzz0OIJH5VMc
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Offline Brietta

Re: Claim Portuguese police ignored Madeleine McCann leads.
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2014, 12:09:45 PM »
This man really does have a sin to answer for as his treatment of evidence still coming into the PJ from 2008 till 2010 was wide of the mark; and the reopening of the new investigation into Madeleine's disappearance has really put the spotlight on the deficiencies of the old one including his time in tenure.

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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: Claim Portuguese police ignored Madeleine McCann leads.
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2014, 12:19:21 PM »
This man really does have a sin to answer for as his treatment of evidence still coming into the PJ from 2008 till 2010 was wide of the mark; and the reopening of the new investigation into Madeleine's disappearance has really put the spotlight on the deficiencies of the old one including his time in tenure.

Yes isn't there just!

It's odd how all 3 main officers supposedly investigating Madeleine's abduction, have criminal convictions. One even an arguido in another case.

All this incompetence just doesn't add up IMO!
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Offline Montclair

Re: Claim Portuguese police ignored Madeleine McCann leads.
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2014, 08:03:07 PM »
I believe what happened in a Portuguese court which ordered Paiva to hand these files over to the Drs McCann legal team.

All information that Ricardo Paiva received was passed on to the Ministério Público and did not disappear into a drawer as some would love to think here. The MP decided whether the leads and information was worthy of being followed up.

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Claim Portuguese police ignored Madeleine McCann leads.
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2014, 02:12:59 PM »
All information that Ricardo Paiva received was passed on to the Ministério Público and did not disappear into a drawer as some would love to think here. The MP decided whether the leads and information was worthy of being followed up.

Link or corroboration for that please, Montclair.   

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Re: Claim Portuguese police ignored Madeleine McCann leads.
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2014, 03:06:07 PM »
Link or corroboration for that please, Montclair.   

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A witness for Amaral, inspector Ricardo Paiva who worked with him and is now in charge of the case since taking over from Paulo Rebelo, who took over when Goncalo Amaral was sacked, calmly announced under cross-examination from Isabel Duarte, that Amaral's book had not prevented people from contacting the police with info because he has a fat file crammed full with sightings that people keep sending. Isabel Duarte asked to see that file and in her final speech asked about all that neglected information: "how can she be found if the police is convinced she is dead and doesn't follow up the leads"? She asked, which of course is true. However, this wasn't the most damning of Paiva's announcement, when Ms Duarte later collected this file of information, she discovered that not only was it stuffed full of photographswhich bore a remarkable resemblance to Madeleine, not only was it crammed with information about sightings of Madeleine and other reports that people thought were significant enough to contact the PJ, or their local police or the McCanns investigation team, it was discovered that ALL information coming into the "investigation" which is shelved, has been shoved into this file *WITHOUT* being examined, or actioned and the file itself has been marked"Not Relevant To The Investigation", so the chances of it ever being looked at in the future would also be greatly diminished! It is an absolute astonishing admission and confirms the fears of a great many people about the fear of corruption and the level of competency concerning those charged with the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

When the case was officially shelved it was publicly announced that if any new evidence came in, that the case would be re-opened. Since then there has been information that has come into the investigation, among the information submitted to Ricardo Paiva at the Portuguese policia judiciaria (PJ) was that from Kate and Gerry McCann's private investigators, which the McCanns state was credible and has NOT been acted upon. This also applied to the information that the Leicestershire police had submitted to the PJ, the LP being the police force local to the McCanns and in charge of any information coming into the police in the UK and have also been carrying out investigations in the UK concerning the Madeleine investigation.

All this information being sent to the PJ has been finding its way into the file of Ricardo Paiva and marked "NOT RELEVANT TO THE INVESTIGATION".
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Claim Portuguese police ignored Madeleine McCann leads.
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2014, 10:43:26 PM »
The PJ don't have the time, money or Authorisation to go gallivanting around Europe 'looking' for Maddie.
Did The parents PI's not follow them up?  did the parents not go and check out these 'sightings' themselves? if not why not?... stones being turned and all that jazz!

So, anyway are the NSY going to follow up ALL these leads?

Australia, New Zealand, Spain, Africa, Arabia.....Did she go on a world cruise FGS?

Team McCann are happy she hasn't been murdered, and may still be alive and returned to them... or maybe not [ moderated ]
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Claim Portuguese police ignored Madeleine McCann leads.
« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2014, 10:55:01 PM »
The PJ don't have the time, money or Authorisation to go gallivanting around Europe 'looking' for Maddie.
Did The parents PI's not follow them up?  did the parents not go and check out these 'sightings' themselves? if not why not?... stones being turned and all that jazz!

So, anyway are the NSY going to follow up ALL these leads?

Australia, New Zealand, Spain, Africa, Arabia.....Did she go on a world cruise FGS?

Team McCann are happy she hasn't been murdered, and may still be alive and returned to them... or maybe not [ moderated ]

why should they bother doing any investigating at all...they knew maddie had not been abducted and the mccanns knew exactly what happened to her...just go to work in the morning..get pissed lunchtime....whats the problem...they had already solved the case
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