Have the Press behaved honourably in the Madeleine case?

[Estuarine]

if estuarine wants to post how successful amaral has been in court  then it seems fair if I should post his failures

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I was actually posting the instances where the McCanns had been unsuccessful in their attempts to prevent the publication of a book nothing more nothing less. Also pointing out that the McCann v Dr Amaral et al libel case was the only libel action brought by the McCanns that has finished up before a judge again nothing more nothing less. But you seek to turn it into something else because you cannot bear to admit that this is the case.

[Mr Gray]

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I was actually posting the instances where the McCanns had been unsuccessful in their attempts to prevent the publication of a book nothing more nothing less. Also pointing out that the McCann v Dr Amaral et al libel case was the only libel action brought by the McCanns that has finished up before a judge again nothing more nothing less. But you seek to turn it into something else because you cannot bear to admit that this is the case.

If you look back I answered your post and showed it to be incorrect.

As for the libel case...as I have said it is only half time...so the result at the moment is totally meaningless...wouldn't you agree..its the full time result that counts...The last judgement  was not even contested by the mccanns..they seem to wanted to wait for the libel case proper..


As regards the libel case...if amaral loses he will be destitute, he already talks like a broken man.  As far as the MCCanns are concerned I don't think the libel case is that important now. They have established beyond doubt that Madeleine may still be alive...and they are no longer considered suspects

[stephen25000]

I see some posters really do dwell in fantasy land. 8-)(--)

[Estuarine]

If you look back I answered your post and showed it to be incorrect.

As for the libel case...as I have said it is only half time...so the result at the moment is totally meaningless...wouldn't you agree..its the full time result that counts...The last judgement  was not even contested by the mccanns..they seem to wanted to wait for the libel case proper..


As regards the libel case...if amaral loses he will be destitute, he already talks like a broken man.  As far as the MCCanns are concerned I don't think the libel case is that important now. They have established beyond doubt that Madeleine may still be alive...and they are no longer considered suspects

That is meaningless! I am glad I am not clever like you.

[Mr Gray]

That is meaningless! I am glad I am not clever like you.

So you accept the rest of the post....
It makes sense to me...and probably to everyone else who isn't totally biased...
Amarals book claimed Maddie was dead....that is now not the official police view..  nor the view of amaral's solicitor......the official view is that she may still be found alive..

[Wonderfulspam]

So you accept the rest of the post....
It makes sense to me...and probably to everyone else who isn't totally biased...
Amarals book claimed Maddie was dead....that is now not the official police view..  nor the view of amaral's solicitor......the official view is that she may still be found alive..

It makes sense to me...and probably to everyone else who isn't totally biased...
 


the official view is that she may still be found alive..

The logical view is that she won't be.

[Carana]

A spokesman for the Mccanns was named as the source of a story by the Guardian.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/13/madeleine-mccann-british-police-arrests-portugal

It's unambiguous and no retraction has been made.

The source isn't named though. I find that article a bit strange, actually. From memory, Haroon Siddique seems quite serious, but his quotes come from the Mirror, that fount of accurate reporting...

It doesn't sound at all like Clarence to me.

A spokesman for Madeleine's parents told the Daily Mirror that...

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The spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann said: "The letter is a significant development. It is necessary for British police to request the Portuguese authorities allow them to operate on their turf.

"It means they have the intention of arresting and interviewing X, Y or Z. We don't know who they have their sights on but it's likely it is the burglars."

He said Madeleine's parents did not want to get their hopes up but "realised it could be a significant new lead". He also said it was not a formality that the Portuguese authorities would co-operate.

[Lyall]

The source isn't named though. I find that article a bit strange, actually. From memory, Haroon Siddique seems quite serious, but his quotes come from the Mirror, that fount of accurate reporting...

It doesn't sound at all like Clarence to me.

A spokesman for Madeleine's parents told the Daily Mirror that...

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The spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann said: "The letter is a significant development. It is necessary for British police to request the Portuguese authorities allow them to operate on their turf.

"It means they have the intention of arresting and interviewing X, Y or Z. We don't know who they have their sights on but it's likely it is the burglars."

He said Madeleine's parents did not want to get their hopes up but "realised it could be a significant new lead". He also said it was not a formality that the Portuguese authorities would co-operate.

Might feel strange because it's unspun reporting.

[AnneGuedes]

Might feel strange because it's unspun reporting.

[davro]

In the case of Peter Verran they most definitely have not. Firstly the Sunday Mirror obviously didn't check his background or they'd have thought twice...........at least.....about publishing anything he said about anyone,not least someone with a background and lifestyle very similar to his own,Messrs Hewlett and Verran share former inmate status of Dartmoor Prison as well as service in the Scots Guards.As for Verran's professed distaste of Hewlett's dope smoking,if like me you know Verran that's side-splittingly funny. The Mirror and the McCann's could have and should have checked this man out before using his words  as "evidence" against Hewlett.

Then the Mail pretty much crucified the guy by putting a picture of him next to Madeleine and under a very suggestive headline.Yes they did state that he was not a suspect but if they claim surprise that many put 2 and 2 together and made 5 and any false impression left was entirely the fault of the reader,well,I for one don't believe them basically and many here will have seen what that did to a man's life.not a very nice man it has to be said but totally disgusting just the same.

[misty]

In the case of Peter Verran they most definitely have not. Firstly the Sunday Mirror obviously didn't check his background or they'd have thought twice...........at least.....about publishing anything he said about anyone,not least someone with a background and lifestyle very similar to his own,Messrs Hewlett and Verran share former inmate status of Dartmoor Prison as well as service in the Scots Guards.As for Verran's professed distaste of Hewlett's dope smoking,if like me you know Verran that's side-splittingly funny. The Mirror and the McCann's could have and should have checked this man out before using his words  as "evidence" against Hewlett.

Then the Mail pretty much crucified the guy by putting a picture of him next to Madeleine and under a very suggestive headline.Yes they did state that he was not a suspect but if they claim surprise that many put 2 and 2 together and made 5 and any false impression left was entirely the fault of the reader,well,I for one don't believe them basically and many here will have seen what that did to a man's life.not a very nice man it has to be said but totally disgusting just the same.

It would be interesting to know how the press were made aware of Verran in the first place and why he agreed to sell his story in the light of personal intrusion into other witnesses' personal lives
I read your longer version regarding Verran on another site last night.
Do you know if he was a competent sailor as it was mentioned he set sail for Spain accompanied by his young son?
The alleged use of drugs & visits to the Rif mountains will be of interest to another poster on here.

[davro]

I've not seen any mention of Verran sailing so I can't answer that one.Unless wherever you saw that meant on the Plymouth to Santander Ferry which the route he always took when heading to Morrocco. I say always took,you've seen my posts elsewhere so you'll know that despite the impression one might get from Verran's Mirror article he'd been going there for several years. He told me himself he went there for "the women and drugs",I never knew if he was going for holidays or if he was doing a bit of "courier work",but we're talking 16 years ago that he was making regular trips there.Something he told me personally.
He did Rehab at Broadreach House in Plymouth just before I first met him,whether this was for drug or alcohol addiction I don't know,possibly both but he certainly wasn't abstinent as he claims after he came out of Dartmoor as far as drink was concerned.
I'd be interested to know how the press were made aware of him as well.It might well be as he said in the initial article,I very much doubt he knew about Hewlet's child abuse convictions,the Pete I knew would have seriously damaged someone like that without thinking twice.The Pete I knew would also sell his Granny if he needed a fiver and knowing him it seemed a "cunning plan" at the time,not the first of his to end up in trouble.

[misty]

I've not seen any mention of Verran sailing so I can't answer that one.Unless wherever you saw that meant on the Plymouth to Santander Ferry which the route he always took when heading to Morrocco. I say always took,you've seen my posts elsewhere so you'll know that despite the impression one might get from Verran's Mirror article he'd been going there for several years. He told me himself he went there for "the women and drugs",I never knew if he was going for holidays or if he was doing a bit of "courier work",but we're talking 16 years ago that he was making regular trips there.Something he told me personally.
He did Rehab at Broadreach House in Plymouth just before I first met him,whether this was for drug or alcohol addiction I don't know,possibly both but he certainly wasn't abstinent as he claims after he came out of Dartmoor as far as drink was concerned.
I'd be interested to know how the press were made aware of him as well.It might well be as he said in the initial article,I very much doubt he knew about Hewlet's child abuse convictions,the Pete I knew would have seriously damaged someone like that without thinking twice.The Pete I knew would also sell his Granny if he needed a fiver and knowing him it seemed a "cunning plan" at the time,not the first of his to end up in trouble.

Verran was not the only witness to have come forward regarding Hewlett & his time in Portugal. Do you really believe it is practical for a journalist to check into the background of each &  every person they interview in connection with a story such as this? I would imagine his interview was reported in good faith - indeed, he had no problem posing for a picture with his new wife for the press. I would also imagine that he had been politely asked by Team McCann to not engage with the press.
I can find no record of Hewlett having served time in Dartmoor, & his time in the Guards was limited to 9 months before he was kicked out - long before Verran served.

[davro]

Actually yes,I would expect any self-respecting journalist to check out someone offering information on an ongoing  criminal investigation before publishing anything. Such is the interest in this case that Verran's words were published worldwide,as the Mirror would expect.
There's a lot you won't any record of,Verran's time in Plymouth for example which he's either reticent about or the media have ignored.If they had they'd have given his words zero credibility.Anyone who knows him well will know that he went to Morocco several times over a period of several years,either the mirror didn't check or they ignored it as it raises more questions about his credibility.

[misty]

I am not really quite sure what point you are trying to make.
Verran was not under suspicion of any crime therefore the journalist did not need to investigate his background. It was Hewlett the police were interested in and clearly Verran had made his acquaintance in Morocco at some stage after Madeleine disappeared as proven by the photographs in his possession.
It almost sounds as if you wanted the press to reveal Verran's dubious past in order to discredit anything he said about Hewlett.