It wasn't the first time a burglar got in via a window at the resort!

[Wonderfulspam]

The view of the front door entrance and the window of apartment 5A was obscured by heavy foliage on the surrounding  trees on the night Madeleine disappeared ... the former burglar quoted below would have seen that as perfect cover and perfect opportunity.

**snip

You should also think outside the home, he adds: your garden can tempt criminals, too.

“I was always looking for houses which had lots of tall trees and bushes to conceal me. Or I would look for corner houses, where there weren’t any neighbours who might spot what I was up to.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/advice/9627884/How-to-beat-the-burglars-this-winter.html

Burglars do not like being cornered by irate homeowners and take pains to ensure an escape route in that eventuality ... there are witness statements to the effect that the shutter was raised and and the window opened ... and that fits the known pattern.
Speaking of potential witnesses ... Mr and Mrs Moyes returned to their apartment some time after nine fifteen pm on the 3rd May.  We only have their word for that ... no 'independent' witness saw them doing so ... so do we believe that they did or will we call them liars just for the fun of it?

** Snip

CF0468511214 – Chequer Street Fenstanton

Detached bungalow with open drive to the front.
Double gates on one side and single gate on the other.
Top inside bolt on the single gate opened to allow access to the rear garden.
Security light at side pulled from wall.
Security light at rear broken.
Conservatory door handle forced down to open. No instrument used.
General search throughout, but mainly in the master bedroom. Jewellery targeted.
Rear bedroom window handle forced open as a secondary escape route.
Exit could have been via the front door which had a yale lock or as entry.

https://www.ecops.org.uk/da/95130/Fenstanton_Burglary_update_.html

In through the front door & then wasting time opening the window & shutters when the door is that close.

It's cobblers.


There is only Kates word that the window & shutters were discovered open.

......& she has changed her version.

Why would the Moyes need to lie?

....They wouldn't.

There's the difference.

[Brietta]

In through the front door & then wasting time opening the window & shutters when the door is that close.

It's cobblers.


There is only Kates word that the window & shutters were discovered open.

......& she has changed her version.

Why would the Moyes need to lie?

....They wouldn't.

There's the difference.

The Moyes could have been anyone and were in the flat two above the flat Madeleine disappeared from.

Just as anyone could have been inside 5J where the GNR dogs alerted (and you know the omniscience you attribute to dog alerts) after following Madeleine's scent trail to the door.

There's the difference.

In terms of being the perfect scenario for a quick in and out burglary to be committed, Apartment 5A was a burglar's dream down to the broken security light ... darkness, camouflage, hidden doorway ... the lot.

What independent witnesses saw the carpenter family?

What independent witnesses saw Mr and Mrs Moyes?

What independent witnesses saw the young couple passing 5A in their car?

We only have their word to go on ... and in the absence of anything else we have witnesses to the fact that the window was open and the shutter raised ... a fact accepted by GNR or PJ in attendance on the 3rd ... so I am afraid if you selectively choose to disbelieve witnesses because of a personal bias, you are never going to get anything right about this case.

[Wonderfulspam]

The Moyes could have been anyone and were in the flat two above the flat Madeleine disappeared from.

Just as anyone could have been inside 5J where the GNR dogs alerted (and you know the omniscience you attribute to dog alerts) after following Madeleine's scent trail to the door.

There's the difference.

In terms of being the perfect scenario for a quick in and out burglary to be committed, Apartment 5A was a burglar's dream down to the broken security light ... darkness, camouflage, hidden doorway ... the lot.

What independent witnesses saw the carpenter family?

What independent witnesses saw Mr and Mrs Moyes?

What independent witnesses saw the young couple passing 5A in their car?

We only have their word to go on ... and in the absence of anything else we have witnesses to the fact that the window was open and the shutter raised ... a fact accepted by GNR or PJ in attendance on the 3rd ... so I am afraid if you selectively choose to disbelieve witnesses because of a personal bias, you are never going to get anything right about this case.

The Moyes could have been any one, as it was they are the Moyes, not child abducting burglars.

I take the word of some witnesses & see good reason to doubt others.

Like, when them witnesses are the last people to see their missing daughter, & they alter their witness statements, come across as being as shifty as hell & a dadlike figure is seen carrying an inert maddie away , around the time her father is out alone searching, I have my doubts, & not without reason.

[pathfinder73]

The Moyes could have been anyone and were in the flat two above the flat Madeleine disappeared from.

Just as anyone could have been inside 5J where the GNR dogs alerted (and you know the omniscience you attribute to dog alerts) after following Madeleine's scent trail to the door.

There's the difference.

In terms of being the perfect scenario for a quick in and out burglary to be committed, Apartment 5A was a burglar's dream down to the broken security light ... darkness, camouflage, hidden doorway ... the lot.

What independent witnesses saw the carpenter family?

What independent witnesses saw Mr and Mrs Moyes?

What independent witnesses saw the young couple passing 5A in their car?

We only have their word to go on ... and in the absence of anything else we have witnesses to the fact that the window was open and the shutter raised ... a fact accepted by GNR or PJ in attendance on the 3rd ... so I am afraid if you selectively choose to disbelieve witnesses because of a personal bias, you are never going to get anything right about this case.

The GNR dogs were following an alive scent trail. Madeleine came though that front key door at 5:40 and was never seen again. Two people disappeared that night - Madeleine and Smithman. Surprise surprise!

[Brietta]

The Moyes could have been any one, as it was they are the Moyes, not child abducting burglars.

I take the word of some witnesses & see good reason to doubt others.

Like, when them witnesses are the last people to see their missing daughter, & they alter their witness statements, come across as being as shifty as hell & a dadlike figure is seen carrying an inert maddie away , around the time her father is out alone searching, I have my doubts, & not without reason.

With all due respect to Mr and Mrs Moyes ... you cannot possibly know a thing about them which enables you to make such an assertion ... and as a matter of fact, the transcript of what they said about their experience consisted of some inconsistencies.

However the main points I was making were
(a)  the isolated nature of 5A which was to all intents and purposes on its own, out of the main drag and the
      passageway used only by the occupants of that apartment combined with the darkness and the dense tree
      branches ... made it an ideal burglary target 

(b)  People were coming and going, all unnoticed by anyone else because the streets were so quiet, again ideal
       burglar conditions 

(c)  It was therefore perfectly possible for someone to enter and exit 5A without being noticed. 

      In my belief the proof of the pudding is in the eating and that is exactly what happened.  Whether by design or
      by accident it was a very easy assignment for a professional to carry out.

[pathfinder73]

With all due respect to Mr and Mrs Moyes ... you cannot possibly know a thing about them which enables you to make such an assertion ... and as a matter of fact, the transcript of what they said about their experience consisted of some inconsistencies.

However the main points I was making were
(a)  the isolated nature of 5A which was to all intents and purposes on its own, out of the main drag and the
      passageway used only by the occupants of that apartment combined with the darkness and the dense tree
      branches ... made it an ideal burglary target 

(b)  People were coming and going, all unnoticed by anyone else because the streets were so quiet, again ideal
       burglar conditions 

(c)  It was therefore perfectly possible for someone to enter and exit 5A without being noticed. 

      In my belief the proof of the pudding is in the eating and that is exactly what happened.  Whether by design or
      by accident it was a very easy assignment for a professional to carry out.

So you have somebody going in before Gerry's check. When Gerry leaves, he moves the door a second time and leaves with the child. Matt comes next and finds the window closed! Then Kate comes and finds the door has moved again and the window is open. So that's two door moves before the window was opened.  Once you eliminate the impossible......

8:30 door ajar

9 door half-open and window closed (1st door move) Gerry moves it back ajar

9:30 door half-open and window closed (2nd door move)

9:52 door wide open and window open (3rd door move)

How could an abductor be inside the apartment before 9 and leaves after Gerry's check open a window nearly an hour later. It is not possible. The window was opened by Smithman's partner in crime!

[Mr Gray]

The Moyes could have been anyone and were in the flat two above the flat Madeleine disappeared from.

Just as anyone could have been inside 5J where the GNR dogs alerted (and you know the omniscience you attribute to dog alerts) after following Madeleine's scent trail to the door.

There's the difference.

In terms of being the perfect scenario for a quick in and out burglary to be committed, Apartment 5A was a burglar's dream down to the broken security light ... darkness, camouflage, hidden doorway ... the lot.

What independent witnesses saw the carpenter family?

What independent witnesses saw Mr and Mrs Moyes?

What independent witnesses saw the young couple passing 5A in their car?

We only have their word to go on ... and in the absence of anything else we have witnesses to the fact that the window was open and the shutter raised ... a fact accepted by GNR or PJ in attendance on the 3rd ... so I am afraid if you selectively choose to disbelieve witnesses because of a personal bias, you are never going to get anything right about this case.

you have forgot to factor in the second and third translations

[faithlilly]

I resent your tone Faith. 

As I said, I do not recall what the situation was and, anyway, would want to check everything you say, Faith, before taking your word.  Because the truth from you has often been twisted ...  hence, sadly, the need for constant checks with you and a few others.

I no longer have the energy to do that

So I take it by now you've checked sadie and verified that Kate found the shutters fully open and not slightly open as you have previously stated. So how does that alter your ruminations ?

[Brietta]

I resent your tone Faith. 

As I said, I do not recall what the situation was and, anyway, would want to check everything you say, Faith, before taking your word.  Because the truth from you has often been twisted ...  hence, sadly, the need for constant checks with you and a few others.

I no longer have the energy to do that

Indeed, Sadie ... usually the assertions are made without recourse to providing a legitimate cite as lesser mortals are required to do.  I have also discovered that context is all.

[faithlilly]

Indeed, Sadie ... usually the assertions are made without recourse to providing a legitimate cite as lesser mortals are required to do.  I have also discovered that context is all.

Oh come, come Brietta I don't think I need a cite for Kate's claim, you supporters yourself repeat it ad nauseum and as to context what more is needed to understand that Kate found the shutters fully open ?