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Offline Anna

Re: Jenny Murat reported seeing a woman hanging around apartment 5a.
« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2015, 10:33:15 PM »
So when he saw the lady in purple, where was JW standing, and where was the woman standing?
I will post my opinion soon.

Excerpts:-

Q. Relative to the exact location you met Gerry'
I left my apartment pushing my son's pram so that he could sleep. I did not have a particular direction to follow nor did I have a specific time to do this. I left the apartment and turned right. I walked via the lower street, looked to the building block where the McCann apartment was situated and saw a woman dressed in purple clothing. I referred to this woman in relation to the questions asked by Jane Tanner. At the next crossing, I turned right and continued on down the hill. At this point,

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Q. Relative to whether I know Jane Tanner;
Now I know her name, description of the clothes and photos which I have seen in the press. At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name. I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry, but I believe I saw her when I first ventured out. She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group's apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment. I do not know if it was her apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing the colour purple.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Jenny Murat reported seeing a woman hanging around apartment 5a.
« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2015, 11:12:19 PM »
Indeed they do - not everyone is a walking colour chart for Homes & Gardens.  @)(++(*

RAL numbers and a spectrophotometer might be better!
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Offline pegasus

Re: Jenny Murat reported seeing a woman hanging around apartment 5a.
« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2015, 12:07:43 AM »
@ Anna. thanks yes that is what I was working from until I realised that the original rog of Mr W, which was in english, is not in the published files. The most original document we have is the PJ portuguese translation, which is in the files. The english we read tertiary internet translation, not the original, so I provide for the first time an accurate translation in this post.

I went back to the most original document of this rog that we have, the portuguese translation, which says:

"...  julgo tê-la visto quando primeiro iniciei o meu passeio. Ela estava parada na rua em frente do apartamento de um dos elementos do grupo, quando eu passei para baixo a saída do meu apartamento. Não sei se era o seu proprio apartamento ou não. Recordo-me que usava um vestuário de cor purpura"
and my accurate translation is
"... I think I saw her when I first began my walk. She was standing in the street in front of the apartment of one of the group members, as I went down to the exit of my apartment. I do not know if it was her own apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing a purple colored clothing"

Therefore at the moment Mr W saw this woman, IMO he was just leaving his apartment, and looking out from the walkway on the 4th floor of block 4, and saw a woman wearing something purple, standing in the street Rua Dr Agosthina Da Silva, and level with block 5.

So when he sees this woman on the street, he is on the 4th floor, at a great distance, 30 metres at least, very probably more. IMO he saw the same woman that Mrs M saw, not JT.
« Last Edit: May 11, 2015, 12:34:43 AM by pegasus »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Jenny Murat reported seeing a woman hanging around apartment 5a.
« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2015, 12:50:55 AM »
@ Anna. thanks yes that is what I was working from until I realised that the original rog of Mr W, which was in english, is not in the published files. The most original document we have is the PJ portuguese translation, which is in the files. The english we read is a tertiary internet translation, not the original.

So I went back to the most original document of this rog that we have, the portuguese translation, which says:

"...  julgo tê-la visto quando primeiro iniciei o meu passeio. Ela estava parada na rua em frente do apartamento de um dos elementos do grupo, quando eu passei para baixo a saída do meu apartamento. Não sei se era o seu proprio apartamento ou não. Recordo-me que usava um vestuário de cor purpura"
"... I think I saw her when I first began my walk. She was standing in the street in front of the apartment of one of the group members, as I went down to the exit of my apartment. I do not know if it was her own apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing a purple colored clothing"

Therefore at the moment Mr W saw this woman, IMO he was just leaving his apartment, and looking out from the walkway on the 4th floor of block 4, and saw a woman wearing something purple, standing in the street Rua Dr Agosthina Da Silva, and level with block 5.

So when he sees this woman on the street, he is on the 4th floor, at a great distance, 30 metres at least, very probably more. IMO he saw the same woman that Mrs M saw, not JT.

It was JT. Both JW and JM saw the same women in purple at the same location around the same time. And we know Jane left the apartment before Russell at around 8:30 and sent a text. So Jane was outside and close to the apartment at the time two witnesses saw her. So I wonder who it could be  &%+((£ Another woman? I don't think so!


Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Jenny Murat reported seeing a woman hanging around apartment 5a.
« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2015, 01:34:10 AM »
It was JT. Both JW and JM saw the same women in purple at the same location around the same time. And we know Jane left the apartment before Russell at around 8:30 and sent a text. So Jane was outside and close to the apartment at the time two witnesses saw her. So I wonder who it could be  &%+((£ Another woman? I don't think so!

So now you are suggesting that JT was the woman standing on the SE corner of the T junction under the streetlight ? Wearing a white skirt? What on earth would she be doing there? It is illogical. Obviously the woman seen by Mrs M is not JT,  JiMAO.
« Last Edit: May 11, 2015, 01:41:57 AM by pegasus »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Jenny Murat reported seeing a woman hanging around apartment 5a.
« Reply #50 on: May 11, 2015, 07:26:52 AM »
So now you are suggesting that JT was the woman standing on the SE corner of the T junction under the streetlight ? Wearing a white skirt? What on earth would she be doing there? It is illogical. Obviously the woman seen by Mrs M is not JT,  JiMAO.

She was most likely typing and sending that text before going to the tapas bar.

Jane TANNER (0780854191) was in contact with mobile number 07949731844 at 20:30:21 hrs on 3rd May 2007 and again at 09:04:46 hrs on 4th May 2007. Each contact was an 'SMS'.

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Jenny Murat reported seeing a woman hanging around apartment 5a.
« Reply #51 on: May 11, 2015, 09:06:27 AM »
She was most likely typing and sending that text before going to the tapas bar.

Jane TANNER (0780854191) was in contact with mobile number 07949731844 at 20:30:21 hrs on 3rd May 2007 and again at 09:04:46 hrs on 4th May 2007. Each contact was an 'SMS'.

Of course Jenny Murat never mentioned this woman to the investigators, despite having made a statement. Jeremy Wilkins doesn't mention seeing her until his rogatory statement, although he made two statements before that one.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Jenny Murat reported seeing a woman hanging around apartment 5a.
« Reply #52 on: May 11, 2015, 10:29:34 AM »
@ Anna. thanks yes that is what I was working from until I realised that the original rog of Mr W, which was in english, is not in the published files. The most original document we have is the PJ portuguese translation, which is in the files. The english we read tertiary internet translation, not the original, so I provide for the first time an accurate translation in this post.

I went back to the most original document of this rog that we have, the portuguese translation, which says:

"...  julgo tê-la visto quando primeiro iniciei o meu passeio. Ela estava parada na rua em frente do apartamento de um dos elementos do grupo, quando eu passei para baixo a saída do meu apartamento. Não sei se era o seu proprio apartamento ou não. Recordo-me que usava um vestuário de cor purpura"
and my accurate translation is
"... I think I saw her when I first began my walk. She was standing in the street in front of the apartment of one of the group members, as I went down to the exit of my apartment. I do not know if it was her own apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing a purple colored clothing"

Therefore at the moment Mr W saw this woman, IMO he was just leaving his apartment, and looking out from the walkway on the 4th floor of block 4, and saw a woman wearing something purple, standing in the street Rua Dr Agosthina Da Silva, and level with block 5.

So when he sees this woman on the street, he is on the 4th floor, at a great distance, 30 metres at least, very probably more. IMO he saw the same woman that Mrs M saw, not JT.

Interesting.

JM sees a woman in a purple top at the top of the street.
If JM reported her sighting to the PJ it would have given them the opportunity to determine who the woman she saw was.

JW sees a woman in a purple top outside the apartments in block A.
If JW reported his sighting it would also have given the opportunity for a reconstitution of the event with JT wearing the same clothing worn on the 3rd.

Then one wonders how much significance the investigators would have given to that aspect of the inquiry as there doesn't seem to have been due diligence in ascertaining the business of others seen by witnesses in the vicinity of the McCann accommodation.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....