Unauthorized objects found in PJ and PSP interview rooms.

[Mr Gray]

Indeed I do.

Unfortunately, perhaps you should read up on cases of UK Police brutality.

and don't say it doesn't happen.

Just to get started...............


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality_in_the_United_Kingdom

and

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/over-3000-police-officers-being-investigated-for-alleged-assault--and-almost-all-of-them-are-still-on-the-beat-10220091.html

of course the re are cases of police brutality in the UK...Montclair raised the issue of deaths in custody in the uk and that's what I was commenting on. these figures seem to include suicides, death by natural causes, death in car chases.....In the others restraint plays a large role

[Mr Gray]

With regard to a culture of violence with police, in the UK, since 1998, there have been 577 deaths in police custody and not one officer has been convicted.

http://www.inquest.org.uk/statistics/deaths-in-police-custody

According to the Guardian there have been 333 deaths in custody in the past 11 years.....



Out of the total of 333 deaths, 87 people had been restrained, most commonly being physically held down by officers. In 16 of those cases, restraint was linked directly to the death, and four were classed as "positional asphyxia".

The majority were from natural causes, with nearly three-quarters relating to drug or alcohol abuse. The report questioned whether those arrested for being very inebriated should be taken to alternative facilities, such as the "drunk tanks" introduced in Scotland. It called on the Home Office and Department of Health to pilot facilities with medical care to replace police cells.


so the majority from natural causes involving alcohol or drug abuse....rather puts things into perspective

[stephen25000]

of course the re are cases of police brutality in the UK...Montclair raised the issue of deaths in custody in the uk and that's what I was commenting on. these figures seem to include suicides, death by natural causes, death in car chases.....In the others restraint plays a large role

Was restraint an issue here ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-10723274

Check the history of the 'officer' involved.

He had a history of violent conduct.

[Mr Gray]

Was restraint an issue here ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-10723274

Check the history of the 'officer' involved.

He had a history of violent conduct.

No ...pre existing medical conditions were...you need to read the whole article..


The first examination by Dr Freddy Patel - currently under investigation for alleged misconduct over four unrelated post-mortem examinations - found he died of natural causes linked to coronary artery disease.

The second pathologist, Dr Nat Cary, found he died of internal bleeding as a result of blunt force trauma, in combination with cirrhosis of the liver.

the man was pushed over and died as aresult...is this your best example of police brutality

[Lyall]

This may be relevant to the state of play at the time - 2007.

In January 2008 the CPT visited Portugal and their report was published on 19th March 2009.

A brief extract from the report reads:

11.       The CPT’s delegation found a large number of non-standard and unlabelled objects, such as baseball bats, a plastic pistol, telescopic batons and cudgels in the interview rooms of the two Judicial Police stations visited. There is no legitimate reason for such objects to be kept in rooms used for interviewing suspects. Apart from inviting speculation about improper conduct on the part of police officers, objects of this kind are a potential source of danger to staff and criminal suspects alike. All items seized for the purpose of being used as evidence should always be properly labelled, recorded and kept in a dedicated property store, as indicated by the relevant regulation.

            On 19 February 2008, the Portuguese authorities informed the CPT by email that the Minister of Justice had ordered the storing and labelling of all unauthorised objects in every Judicial Police station within one month. On 24 April 2008, the CPT received confirmation that the order had been followed up and executed by the Judicial Police. Similar instructions have been issued for the Public Security Police. There was no information available concerning the National Republican Guard.

I would be interested to hear a response from any Portuguese contributors.


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That's all good fuel for the xenophobes but it has absolutely nothing to do with the McCann case, J-P.

[stephen25000]

No ...pre existing medical conditions were...you need to read the whole article..


The first examination by Dr Freddy Patel - currently under investigation for alleged misconduct over four unrelated post-mortem examinations - found he died of natural causes linked to coronary artery disease.

The second pathologist, Dr Nat Cary, found he died of internal bleeding as a result of blunt force trauma, in combination with cirrhosis of the liver.



the man was pushed over and died as aresult...is this your best example of police brutality

The officer involved was a thug and he beat Tomlinson.

Perhaps you should take a look at the video.

As to police brutality, just look at what happened in the miners strike.

and there are many more.

Now I wonder how the number of incidents of police brutality in the UK square up to Portugal.

[Mr Gray]

The officer involved was a thug and he beat Tomlinson.

Perhaps you should take a look at the video.

As to police brutality, just look at what happened in the miners strike.

and there are many more.

Now I wonder how the number of incidents of police brutality in the UK square up to Portugal.

as someone who understands statistics I would say it would be impossible to make a true comparison

[stephen25000]

as someone who understands statistics I would say it would be impossible to make a true comparison

I understand stats too dave.

It's part of my job.

So why can't a comparison be made then ?

[Mr Gray]

I understand stats too dave.

It's part of my job.

So why can't a comparison be made then ?

don't you understand

[stephen25000]

don't you understand

I understand perfectly clearly you like to denigrate the PJ, whilst singing the praises of the UK police.

Unfortunately dave, it won't wash.

Unlike cuddle cat.

[pegasus]

The usual CPT rules are that a number of establishments are chosen at random from a complete list provided by the authorities.  These are then subject to inspection. 

In addition, places where particular problems have occurred can also be selected.  In this case, some reference may be made in the report to previous concerns or complaints.

The inspections are very thorough - it is one of the things the EU actually does rather well.

Thanks for that very good answer.
I think this is important, how the stations were chosen.
Let's imagine there are 200 PJ stations.
If the 2 stations were selected deliberately because of known problems, the statistical result is that 2 out of 200 stations have this problem. 1%.
If the 2 stations were chosen truly randomly, then the statistical result, I don't know how to work it out, would be probably be something like an estimate over 50% of all stations having this problem if you see what I mean?

[slartibartfast]

I understand stats too dave.

It's part of my job.

So why can't a comparison be made then ?

I would be interested in that too.