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Alfie

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Re: Would an amnesty in the Madeleine case bring forth a conclusion?
« Reply #120 on: September 25, 2016, 04:39:19 PM »
"1968 - The murder of Roy Tutill
Roy TutillIn 1968, 14-year-old Roy Tutill disappeared on his way home from school, sparking off one of the longest-running murder investigations in the history of Surrey Police. A number of witnesses reported seeing a schoolboy talking to a man in a car and three days later, foresters found Roy’s body in the field. Many thousands of interviews and statements were taken, but no likely suspects were found.

The case was regularly re-opened, but no progress was made until 1995, almost 30 years later. Samples were taken from Roy’s clothing and a partial profile of the killer was established using the national DNA database. Towards the end of 1999, a newspaper article on the Tutill murder served to bring forward a number of people naming possible suspects, including reports from one person that they had been sexually assaulted many years before, by a Brian Lunn Field. Enquiries quickly revealed that Field was indeed a dangerous offender, who had already been convicted for an indecent assault in Scotland. Field had been stopped for a drink-driving offence and when he was arrested a mouth swab was taken, his DNA linked him to the murder of Roy Tutill and he was arrested in 2001 and finally confessed everything.

Field pleaded guilty in court in 2001 and was sentenced to life imprisonment. This was one of the oldest cases ever to have returned a guilty verdict".

If only the police had called it a day after a month, just think of all that time, money and effort they could have saved over the years!

Offline jassi

Re: Would an amnesty in the Madeleine case bring forth a conclusion?
« Reply #121 on: September 25, 2016, 04:43:51 PM »
"1968 - The murder of Roy Tutill
Roy TutillIn 1968, 14-year-old Roy Tutill disappeared on his way home from school, sparking off one of the longest-running murder investigations in the history of Surrey Police. A number of witnesses reported seeing a schoolboy talking to a man in a car and three days later, foresters found Roy’s body in the field. Many thousands of interviews and statements were taken, but no likely suspects were found.

The case was regularly re-opened, but no progress was made until 1995, almost 30 years later. Samples were taken from Roy’s clothing and a partial profile of the killer was established using the national DNA database. Towards the end of 1999, a newspaper article on the Tutill murder served to bring forward a number of people naming possible suspects, including reports from one person that they had been sexually assaulted many years before, by a Brian Lunn Field. Enquiries quickly revealed that Field was indeed a dangerous offender, who had already been convicted for an indecent assault in Scotland. Field had been stopped for a drink-driving offence and when he was arrested a mouth swab was taken, his DNA linked him to the murder of Roy Tutill and he was arrested in 2001 and finally confessed everything.

Field pleaded guilty in court in 2001 and was sentenced to life imprisonment. This was one of the oldest cases ever to have returned a guilty verdict".

If only the police had called it a day after a month, just think of all that time, money and effort they could have saved over the years!

Exactly, it wasn't being actively pursued for the whole of that time, it was periodically revisited.

None of these cases are closed, just not actively pursued unless there is evidence to do so.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Alfie

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Re: Would an amnesty in the Madeleine case bring forth a conclusion?
« Reply #122 on: September 25, 2016, 04:49:45 PM »
Exactly, it wasn't being actively pursued for the whole of that time, it was periodically revisited.

None of these cases are closed, just not actively pursued unless there is evidence to do so.
In case you hadn't noticed, the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance hasn't  been open for the entire duration of her disappearance.  There was a review, evidence was found that had been overlooked the first time round, it is being investigated, what's your problem?

Offline Carana

Re: Would an amnesty in the Madeleine case bring forth a conclusion?
« Reply #123 on: September 25, 2016, 04:50:28 PM »
The Crimewatch programme was broadcast on October 13th 2013. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24509614

The Portuguese investigation into Madeleine McCann's case was reopened on October 24th 2013. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24655826

Although not a joint operation, there was co-operation between both forces.  However it was made plain by the Portuguese that any information leaking from the inquiry would not be tolerated.

After initial leaks to a blogger who published the names of people to be interviewed as arguidos and persons of interest it has been a very tight run ship with no unauthorised information coming into the public domain from either the Portuguese or British investigations.

DCI Redwood spoke freely, perhaps when he could.

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 However the Metropolitan Police’s Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowler today revealed that his counterparts in Portugal have warned that if media briefings are given on the investigation, the local officers working on behalf of Scotland Yard will stop working 'until that problem dissipates'.

In an open-letter dated today, Assistant Commissioner Rowley said he had explained the Metropolitan Police's practice of making public as much information as possible, but respects the Portuguese position.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic22360.html

I was about to hunt for that, Brietta. ;)

Offline jassi

Re: Would an amnesty in the Madeleine case bring forth a conclusion?
« Reply #124 on: September 25, 2016, 04:52:02 PM »
In case you hadn't noticed, the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance hasn't  been open for the entire duration of her disappearance.  There was a review, evidence was found that had been overlooked the first time round, it is being investigated, what's your problem?

None at all, just that eventually it must come to an end, even if there isn't a result
If there isn't a result, then the money has ultimately been wasted.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Alfie

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Re: Would an amnesty in the Madeleine case bring forth a conclusion?
« Reply #125 on: September 25, 2016, 05:08:52 PM »
None at all, just that eventually it must come to an end, even if there isn't a result
If there isn't a result, then the money has ultimately been wasted.
Going back to the case of Roy Tutill, 10 years after his death would you say that all the money that had been spent on investigating his murder up until then had been wasted?
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Alfie

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Re: Would an amnesty in the Madeleine case bring forth a conclusion?
« Reply #126 on: September 25, 2016, 05:15:48 PM »
Let's say the case into Madeleine's disappearance is shelved next year, and re-opened in 5 years time as new evidence has been discovered - where does that leave us vis-a-vis the money that has been spent to date?  Still a complete waste?  Will the cost of any further investigation only cause more moaning about further financial burden to the taxpayer? 

Offline jassi

Re: Would an amnesty in the Madeleine case bring forth a conclusion?
« Reply #127 on: September 25, 2016, 05:19:04 PM »
I think I've made my position quite clear. You disagree. Fine.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Alfie

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Re: Would an amnesty in the Madeleine case bring forth a conclusion?
« Reply #128 on: September 25, 2016, 05:26:59 PM »
I think I've made my position quite clear. You disagree. Fine.
I think I've just asked a couple of questions that you simply can't answer.  Fine.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Would an amnesty in the Madeleine case bring forth a conclusion?
« Reply #129 on: September 25, 2016, 06:05:09 PM »
Certainly not. Police divulge things when it is in their interest to do so. Redwood took it upon himself to reveal certain things through the BBC Crimewatch programme in the hope that someone would come forward with further information. The fact that nothing at all has been divulged since leads me to believe they have exhausted all their leads and are at a stalemate.  All forensic testing has ceased which means no progress on that front, another dead end.

IMO, SY took the leads that the PJ had discounted and pursued them to the same conclusion.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Would an amnesty in the Madeleine case bring forth a conclusion?
« Reply #130 on: September 25, 2016, 06:14:09 PM »
IMO, SY took the leads that the PJ had discounted and pursued them to the same conclusion.

Imo SY took leads that the PJ had discounted and were prevented from investigating them

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Would an amnesty in the Madeleine case bring forth a conclusion?
« Reply #131 on: September 25, 2016, 06:33:14 PM »
Imo SY took leads that the PJ had discounted and were prevented from investigating them

It would have been interesting seeing them try in an English case.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Brietta

Re: Would an amnesty in the Madeleine case bring forth a conclusion?
« Reply #132 on: September 25, 2016, 06:45:23 PM »
It would have been interesting seeing them try in an English case.

Sometimes things don't pan out in English cases either.

At the least if a case goes wrong a review can be expected to find out what.

In my opinion that it was only in 2011 after years of her parents pleading for one, that the Portuguese (although we didn't know it at the time) and British police carried out such a case review is very disappointing.
Closer to the events and the closure of Madeleine's case would have been more appropriate.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Would an amnesty in the Madeleine case bring forth a conclusion?
« Reply #133 on: September 25, 2016, 07:42:57 PM »
Imo SY took leads that the PJ had discounted and were prevented from investigating them

I realise it is only your opinion but by whom and to what end ?
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