Shooting Reconstruction

[Holly Goodhead]

Regarding Sheila, I do believe that at least one of the casings, DRH.1, must have rebounded off the side of the bed to land where it did.  It's accepted, I think, that the final two shots to June's head occurred whilst she was lying immobilised in the doorway, with the shooter standing above her and rifle pointing downwards.  The fully-opened door itself was blocking any ejected casings from travelling to where the largest number were located, between the bed and large clothes cupboard. Therefore, the only ones they could be were either DRH.3 and 4, or DRH.13 and 14, which makes Holly's theory that Nevill was shot four times whilst coming upstairs then descending, untenable.  Picture yourself standing just inside or outside the bedroom doorway, or on the threshold, with the rifle pointing at June's head, and think which direction the two casings would travel and where they would land. Furthermore, the actual police diagram shows that DRH.13 and 14 resulted from the final two shots at June.  They were there to examine the scene and carnage, we weren't.

I have never said casings alone support NB shot on the landing stairs.  Only the totality of the physical evidence can support that not looking at casings in isolation when all the research from US shows 25% deviate from where you would expect them to land:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://cmr-journal.org/index.php/ISJ/article/view/7104/5036&ved=2ahUKEwjthaD65uLnAhX0TxUIHdyfABUQFjAAegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw1TA6-b2poGFVCnK_ekKKC7

[Holly Goodhead]

I have never said casings alone support NB shot on the landing stairs.  Only the totality of the physical evidence can support that not looking at casings in isolation when all the research from US shows 25% deviate from where you would expect them to land:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://cmr-journal.org/index.php/ISJ/article/view/7104/5036&ved=2ahUKEwjthaD65uLnAhX0TxUIHdyfABUQFjAAegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw1TA6-b2poGFVCnK_ekKKC7

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[Holly Goodhead]

Regarding Sheila, I do believe that at least one of the casings, DRH.1, must have rebounded off the side of the bed to land where it did.  It's accepted, I think, that the final two shots to June's head occurred whilst she was lying immobilised in the doorway, with the shooter standing above her and rifle pointing downwards.  The fully-opened door itself was blocking any ejected casings from travelling to where the largest number were located, between the bed and large clothes cupboard. Therefore, the only ones they could be were either DRH.3 and 4, or DRH.13 and 14, which makes Holly's theory that Nevill was shot four times whilst coming upstairs then descending, untenable.  Picture yourself standing just inside or outside the bedroom doorway, or on the threshold, with the rifle pointing at June's head, and think which direction the two casings would travel and where they would land. Furthermore, the actual police diagram shows that DRH.13 and 14 resulted from the final two shots at June.  They were there to examine the scene and carnage, we weren't.

When you say June sustained the final two shots whilst the shooter stood above her what exactly do you mean by this?  Where do you think the shooter was stood? 

[Myster]

When you say June sustained the final two shots whilst the shooter stood above her what exactly do you mean by this?  Where do you think the shooter was stood? 

Just inside the doorway bedroom-side, or on the metal threshold carpet-divider, or just outside the doorway on the landing-side. If the rifle was pointed downwards and fired at June's head, any casings would either deflect off the door back into the room, or land and be cushioned by the carpet directly, as per DRH.3, 4, 13 and 14.

[Holly Goodhead]

Just inside the doorway bedroom-side, or on the metal threshold carpet-divider, or just outside the doorway on the landing-side. If the rifle was pointed downwards and fired at June's head, any casings would either deflect off the door back into the room, or land and be cushioned by the carpet directly, as per DRH.3, 4, 13 and 14.

So effectively you have the rifle muzzle facing into the room which doesn't fit with the wound tracks.  For the perp to inflict those wounds with the muzzle facing towards bedroom and casing ejection port parrellel to the door the shooter would need to flex his/her wrist into an impossible position.

I believe the shooters position, based on the wound tracks, was facing towards the landing along with the rifle muzzle and casing ejection port parallel with chair.

[Myster]

So effectively you have the rifle muzzle facing into the room which doesn't fit with the wound tracks.  For the perp to inflict those wounds with the muzzle facing towards bedroom and casing ejection port parrellel to the door the shooter would need to flex his/her wrist into an impossible position.

I believe the shooters position, based on the wound tracks, was facing towards the landing along with the rifle muzzle and casing ejection port parallel with chair.

There are any number of possibilities which direction the rifle was pointing at her head. If she was still barely alive and rolling about in agony with her head moving, then the killer also varied position to inflict those two fatal shots.  In any case, the open door blocked any casings from passing towards June's side of the bed.

[Holly Goodhead]

They aren't just talking about her head falling to one side.

I know.  A/PS Woodcock, one of the first respondents, noted SC's head raised against the bedside cabinet.  In soc images it is flat to the floor.  Those at soc pulled SC by the feet thus her head was moved from the bedside cabinet and was then flat to the floor.  In doing this obviously they disturbed other aspects to ie SC's nightie became rucked up behind and the position of the rifle moved and her body in relation to the position of the bible. 

[Holly Goodhead]

There are any number of possibilities which direction the rifle was pointing at her head. If she was still barely alive and rolling about in agony with her head moving, then the killer also varied position to inflict those two fatal shots.  In any case, the open door blocked any casings from passing towards June's side of the bed.

The wound tracks determine perp/victim position.

We don't know June's position just prior to sustaining those head shots.

[Myster]

I posted something like this aeons ago, but if you're computer savvy, using either Windows 64 Bit or Mac OSX, and want something to play with, then you can download and install SketchUp Viewer free to use...

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In addition, download and save this file (click on Open, then Download)...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1etymv3a8zh6gzc/WHF%20FF%20Casings%20Animated.skp?dl=0

In your installed SketchUp Viewer, click on File... Open... then navigate to the above downloaded file.

[Myster]

The SketchUp Viewer download site is a bit dicky for me at present, but should work after repeated tries.

[Caroline]

I know.  A/PS Woodcock, one of the first respondents, noted SC's head raised against the bedside cabinet.  In soc images it is flat to the floor.  Those at soc pulled SC by the feet thus her head was moved from the bedside cabinet and was then flat to the floor.  In doing this obviously they disturbed other aspects to ie SC's nightie became rucked up behind and the position of the rifle moved and her body in relation to the position of the bible.

I have just read Woodcocks statement and he said her head was 'slightly' raised. This being the case, the position would have forced her chin down and he wouldn't have seen the 'two' GSW's he described. Try it yourself. This is also the officer who described blood 'leaking' from her mouth when he clearly meant 'had leaked'.