Crime scene evidence showing Sheila was the killer.

[adam]

I created this thread on the Blue forum. Only one poster eventually provided a list, David.

David will be the first to admit he was very reluctant to elaborate on any of his points and I had to create separate threads.

His 'footprint at scene' point related to one document which said 'photo of footprint'. Where the footprint was,  whose footprint it was & whether it was a bare footprint was not revealed. So not sure how this shows Sheila is the killer.

The OS's 2010 toe nail polish in kitchen claim was supported by David. He said there was no kitchen fight but the dried toe nail polish fell off Sheila's foot 'while standing on the rug' ? He also said bits of his own toe nails are always falling off !

Hopefully there will be some more convincing points showing Sheila was the killer to negate the large scale evidence it was not Sheila.  The rifle & bible being on Sheila are not very impressive points as they are things Bamber would easily create.

[John]

I created this thread on the Blue forum. Only one poster eventually provided a list, David.

David will be the first to admit he was very reluctant to elaborate on any of his points and I had to create separate threads.

His 'footprint at scene' point related to one document which said 'photo of footprint'. Where the footprint was,  whose footprint it was & whether it was a bare footprint was not revealed. So not sure how this shows Sheila is the killer.

The OS's 2010 toe nail polish in kitchen claim was supported by David. He said there was no kitchen fight but the dried toe nail polish fell off Sheila's foot 'while standing on the rug' ? He also said bits of his own toe nails are always falling off !

Hopefully there will be some more convincing points showing Sheila was the killer to negate the large scale evidence it was not Sheila.  The rifle & bible being on Sheila are not very impressive points as they are things Bamber would easily create.

I can't recall seeing any real evidence which could support Sheila as being the White House farm murderer.  As you have already pointed out the evidence supporting her status as a victim is overwhelming.  Not surprising therefore that Jeremy Bamber was convicted of the five murders and has failed on every opportunity to have the verdict overturned.

[Holly Goodhead]

I created this thread on the Blue forum. Only one poster eventually provided a list, David.

David will be the first to admit he was very reluctant to elaborate on any of his points and I had to create separate threads.

His 'footprint at scene' point related to one document which said 'photo of footprint'. Where the footprint was,  whose footprint it was & whether it was a bare footprint was not revealed. So not sure how this shows Sheila is the killer.

The OS's 2010 toe nail polish in kitchen claim was supported by David. He said there was no kitchen fight but the dried toe nail polish fell off Sheila's foot 'while standing on the rug' ? He also said bits of his own toe nails are always falling off !

Hopefully there will be some more convincing points showing Sheila was the killer to negate the large scale evidence it was not Sheila.  The rifle & bible being on Sheila are not very impressive points as they are things Bamber would easily create.

Putting aside the personal tragedy for all those involved, the fact 'supporters' have such different views on the various aspects makes the case endlessly fascinating.  I disagree with David over most aspects. 

20th century UK policing, forensics and judiciary had no experience of managing mass shootings where the only witnesses either died or ended up being the defendant who denied being responsible.

Had exhibits not been destroyed they would undoubtedly yield the definite answers to questions based on 21st century forensics.

- Confirm whose fingerprints on cartridges.  Absence of any would suggest perp went to the trouble of concealing.
- Confirm all trace elements on SC's nightdress eg blood and black burn marks around holes and origins of such
- Confirm whose blood stained the bible

Why did EP destroy exhibits against protocol? 

The most compelling aspect pointing towards SC is imo a reconstruction showing perp in bedroom with NB sustaining his gsw's on landing and main stairs. 

For those that are convinced JB is responsible I'm not sure there will ever be sufficient evidence to convince them otherwise even when three appeal court judges quash the conviction.   

JB did not stage SC in the main bedroom as depicted in soc images.  A/PS Woodcock's WS confirms SC's head was slightly raised against NB's bedside cabinet.  SOC images clearly show SC's head flat on the floor to the left of NB's bedside cabinet.  Someone or something moved SC and undoubtedly the bible and rifle too.  It certainly wasn't JB. 

I don't believe there's any "large scale evidence it wasn't SC" other than the silencer/blood taken at face value and JM's testimony there's squat.

[Holly Goodhead]

I must admit when I first got interested in the case and joined Blue I was swept along with the idea SC must have washed and changed.  But having looked at the various aspects I now take the view SC's found state was entirely consistent with her as perp without the need for any changing of clothes or washing/showering.

Blood spatter was unlikely to present from gsw's with such a low calibre firearm.  This can be evidenced by the fact blood on the rifle was so minimal it wasn't even possible to group.  In all probability the small amount of blood on the rifle originated from the non-gsw's NB sustained from, according to Dr Vanezis, a "blunt instrument".  I understand once a victim sustains a trauma eg gsw it makes it less likely subsequent gsw's and other trauma eg a beating from a "blunt instrument" will produce back spatter.  This is apparently due to changes in blood pressure.  The rifle must have separated perp from victim and given the small quantity of blood on rifle it's unlikely there would be any transfer to perp. 

Contrary to trial evidence from Brian Elliot and Malcolm Fletcher there's no evidence loading the cartridges into mag leaves any debris on perp's hands (lead and/or black discolouration).  The absence or presence of gunshot residue can be argued from both a defence and prosecution perspective and this wasn't tested for in any event.   

Contrary to trial evidence from Malcolm Fletcher there's no evidence discharging the rifle results in shooter sustaining oil and wax to person/clothes.

NB and perp were evidently both in kitchen when NB sustained the 4 gsw's to his head.  There's no reason why perp would sustain blood/sugar/glass to soles of feet.  NB didn't. 

There's no reason why SC's feet wouldn't be "spotlessly clean".

There's no reason why SC's finger/toenails and polish wouldn't be in tact.  Nails and polish are made of strong substances.  I object strongly to the fact we have all males commenting on such who generally don't wear their fingernails long with polish.  I also find it somewhat sexist as though females with long painted nails sit around doing nothing other than sitting pretty. 

https://www.popsugar.com/beauty/Serena-Williams-Hair-Nails-US-Open-2013-31374056

Serena Williams fastest serve is 128.3mph.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fastest_recorded_tennis_serves

The above shows Serena Williams is able to play tennis at the highest level serving at speeds just short of 130mph and still maintain her fingernails, polish and nail art in tact.

[david1819]

I must admit when I first got interested in the case and joined Blue I was swept along with the idea SC must have washed and changed.  But having looked at the various aspects I now take the view SC's found state was entirely consistent with her as perp without the need for any changing of clothes or washing/showering.

Mind you the upstairs bathroom light was on. So somebody was using it for something that fatefull night.

The notion of Sheila changing and washing is only farfetched to those who dont consider or appreciate her state of mind.

[adam]

I can't recall seeing any real evidence which could support Sheila as being the White House farm murderer.  As you have already pointed out the evidence supporting her status as a victim is overwhelming.  Not surprising therefore that Jeremy Bamber was convicted of the five murders and has failed on every opportunity to have the verdict overturned.

Mike created his forum because he has a grudge against the police. It's been going nearly 10 years but only has 3 other regular supporter posters.

Lookout is going by a 'gut feeling' & Nugs is a born conspiracy theorist.  David is a former hardcore guilter who attempted a quiet stance change so he could post images & ridicule other posters who had.openly changed stance to guilty.

You would expect there would be hundreds of supporter posters on the forum if Bamber had a strong case. It is a famous case.

[Holly Goodhead]

Mike created his forum because he has a grudge against the police. It's been going nearly 10 years but only has 3 other regular supporter posters.

Lookout is going by a 'gut feeling' & Nugs is a born conspiracy theorist.  David is a former hardcore guilter who attempted a quiet stance change so he could post images & ridicule other posters who had.openly changed stance to guilty.

You would expect there would be hundreds of supporter posters on the forum if Bamber had a strong case. It is a famous case.

It looks like Mike set the forum up Dec 2010, so a little over 7 years ago.  I'm very anal retentive ya know!

[Holly Goodhead]

Mind you the upstairs bathroom light was on. So somebody was using it for something that fatefull night.

Not necessarily so.  People often leave the bathroom light on in case they need the loo in the middle of the night and/or for the benefit of others especially guests.

The notion of Sheila changing and washing is only farfetched to those who dont consider or appreciate her state of mind.

And you appreciate SC's state of mind?  Rather than trying to get in SC's mind I prefer to consider the forensics.  What reason would SC have to wash/shower/bath and change her clothes if she was the perp?

[Holly Goodhead]

Not necessarily so.  People often leave the bathroom light on in case they need the loo in the middle of the night and/or for the benefit of others especially guests.

And you appreciate SC's state of mind?  Rather than trying to get in SC's mind I prefer to consider the forensics.  What reason would SC have to wash/shower/bath and change her clothes if she was the perp?

Hi David.  You appear to have overlooked the above.  I look forward to your response.  Thanks in anticipation.  Holly aka "Catty". 

Meow.