So It Wasn't Madeleine's Blood In The Apartment

[debunker]

I was responding to Benice's question regarding Keela, if that's ok with you.

And still not understanding the dogs.

[Redblossom]

I was responding to Benice's question regarding Keela, if that's ok with you.

And still not understanding the dogs.

In what way? As all I can do is second guess your meaning. Are you  suggesting that it is curious that Eddie did not alert to any dry blood in the other apartments and cars?

The query was simple, it was about Keela, so I put Benice straight on that one.

[debunker]

I was responding to Benice's question regarding Keela, if that's ok with you.

And still not understanding the dogs.

In what way? As all I can do is second guess your meaning. Are you  suggesting that it is curious that Eddie did not alert to any dry blood in the other apartments and cars?

The query was simple, it was about Keela, so I put Benice straight on that one.

Both dogs alert to blood. Keela is more specific on location.

[ferryman]

The assumption that absolutely everything sent to the FSS had a component of blood is reasonable.

That is because

A Keela reacts, alone, to blood

B Only stuff Keela reacted to was sent.

C. (With the exception of the gym, where Keela was deployed first without reacting) Eddie is always deployed first, and Keela only where Eddie reacts.

Where does that leave the (non) argument of "cadaver scent"?

[Benice]

I'm very doubtful about that too - as if this was true then why didn't Keela alert in the other apartments?  I refuse to believe that out of the  thousands of people who passed through those apartments in the previous years (remember Grime claims she could detect blood from over 40 years ago) not one of them ever cut themselves or had a nosebleed or had some injury from which blood was deposited somewhere within those apartments.   The same goes for the cars.

The simple reason for that is that Keela was not deployed in the other apartments or cars. And the reason for that is because Eddie did not react in them. Only when Eddie alerts is Keela ever sent in to find forensic evidence.

I take your point Redblossom, but the same can be said about Eddie - as according to Grime he also could alert to ancient deposits - including dried blood.       

[ferryman]

I'm very doubtful about that too - as if this was true then why didn't Keela alert in the other apartments?  I refuse to believe that out of the  thousands of people who passed through those apartments in the previous years (remember Grime claims she could detect blood from over 40 years ago) not one of them ever cut themselves or had a nosebleed or had some injury from which blood was deposited somewhere within those apartments.   The same goes for the cars.

The simple reason for that is that Keela was not deployed in the other apartments or cars. And the reason for that is because Eddie did not react in them. Only when Eddie alerts is Keela ever sent in to find forensic evidence.

I take your point Redblossom, but the same can be said about Eddie - as according to Grime he also could alert to ancient deposits - including dried blood.       

Grime deployed Eddie for inordinate lengths of time in those places associated with Madeleine.

The other places (and the cars aside from the Renault) were whistle-stop tours/virtually ignored ...

[Benice]

I'm very doubtful about that too - as if this was true then why didn't Keela alert in the other apartments?  I refuse to believe that out of the  thousands of people who passed through those apartments in the previous years (remember Grime claims she could detect blood from over 40 years ago) not one of them ever cut themselves or had a nosebleed or had some injury from which blood was deposited somewhere within those apartments.   The same goes for the cars.

The simple reason for that is that Keela was not deployed in the other apartments or cars. And the reason for that is because Eddie did not react in them. Only when Eddie alerts is Keela ever sent in to find forensic evidence.

I take your point Redblossom, but the same can be said about Eddie - as according to Grime he also could alert to ancient deposits - including dried blood.       

Grime deployed Eddie for inordinate lengths of time in those places associated with Madeleine.

The other places (and the cars aside from the Renault) were whistle-stop tours/virtually ignored ...

Exactly.  In fact he spent no more than 25/30 seconds on each of the other cars and IIRC Eddie did not even do a full circuit of car no 3 (?) and still Grime allowed him to move one.   In contrast he spent a full 2 minutes standing by the Renault repeatedly calling the dog back to it and indicating to the dog by touching the car several times.   If that wasn't sending a message to the dog - then why do that?

Also in view of the 'Madeleine stickers'' on the Renault  - I find Grime's claim that he didn't know it was the McCanns car very hard to believe. 

The 'bias' displayed was breathtaking. IMO



 

[peter claridge]

The defence lawyer said that he wishes the arguido to be asked again if Madeleine bled. To which he said it was common for Madeleine to have nosebleeds. He says that he doesn’t know if in fact his daughter bled while on holiday in Portugal, because he does not want to be influenced by the news in the Press, regarding the detection of human blood in the apartment where his daughter disappeared.

[Carana]

The defence lawyer said that he wishes the arguido to be asked again if Madeleine bled. To which he said it was common for Madeleine to have nosebleeds. He says that he doesn’t know if in fact his daughter bled while on holiday in Portugal, because he does not want to be influenced by the news in the Press, regarding the detection of human blood in the apartment where his daughter disappeared.

Interesting. Thank you. So the defence lawyer doesn't seem to have seen the Lowe report, either?

[ferryman]

The defence lawyer said that he wishes the arguido to be asked again if Madeleine bled. To which he said it was common for Madeleine to have nosebleeds. He says that he doesn’t know if in fact his daughter bled while on holiday in Portugal, because he does not want to be influenced by the news in the Press, regarding the detection of human blood in the apartment where his daughter disappeared.

Gerry wouldn't have known about Anthony Gordon's shaving cut at that point.

[peter claridge]

The defence lawyer said that he wishes the arguido to be asked again if Madeleine bled. To which he said it was common for Madeleine to have nosebleeds. He says that he doesn’t know if in fact his daughter bled while on holiday in Portugal, because he does not want to be influenced by the news in the Press, regarding the detection of human blood in the apartment where his daughter disappeared.

Gerry wouldn't have known about Anthony Gordon's shaving cut at that point.

What difference would that have made to Gerry's desperate excuse for Madeleine's blood being found in the apartment.

[debunker]

The defence lawyer said that he wishes the arguido to be asked again if Madeleine bled. To which he said it was common for Madeleine to have nosebleeds. He says that he doesn’t know if in fact his daughter bled while on holiday in Portugal, because he does not want to be influenced by the news in the Press, regarding the detection of human blood in the apartment where his daughter disappeared.

Gerry wouldn't have known about Anthony Gordon's shaving cut at that point.

What difference would that have made to Gerry's desperate excuse for Madeleine's blood being found in the apartment.

Was any blood found?

[peter claridge]

The defence lawyer said that he wishes the arguido to be asked again if Madeleine bled. To which he said it was common for Madeleine to have nosebleeds. He says that he doesn’t know if in fact his daughter bled while on holiday in Portugal, because he does not want to be influenced by the news in the Press, regarding the detection of human blood in the apartment where his daughter disappeared.

Gerry wouldn't have known about Anthony Gordon's shaving cut at that point.

What difference would that have made to Gerry's desperate excuse for Madeleine's blood being found in the apartment.

Was any blood found?

Gerry thought they'd found Madeleine's.. hence the excuse.

[ferryman]

The defence lawyer said that he wishes the arguido to be asked again if Madeleine bled. To which he said it was common for Madeleine to have nosebleeds. He says that he doesn’t know if in fact his daughter bled while on holiday in Portugal, because he does not want to be influenced by the news in the Press, regarding the detection of human blood in the apartment where his daughter disappeared.

Gerry wouldn't have known about Anthony Gordon's shaving cut at that point.

What difference would that have made to Gerry's desperate excuse for Madeleine's blood being found in the apartment.

"Desperate excuse"?

Other than in quantities compatible with loss of life (which it wasn't!) where is the big deal about Madeleine's blood being found in the apartment?

[ferryman]

The defence lawyer said that he wishes the arguido to be asked again if Madeleine bled. To which he said it was common for Madeleine to have nosebleeds. He says that he doesn’t know if in fact his daughter bled while on holiday in Portugal, because he does not want to be influenced by the news in the Press, regarding the detection of human blood in the apartment where his daughter disappeared.

Gerry wouldn't have known about Anthony Gordon's shaving cut at that point.

What difference would that have made to Gerry's desperate excuse for Madeleine's blood being found in the apartment.

Was any blood found?

There is a reference to Madeleine's DNA being found in the apartment.  But it's no big deal.  Even Amaral acknowledges that.