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Offline John

Re: Martin
« Reply #30 on: April 21, 2013, 01:34:25 AM »
Is the Bamber case dead in its tracks now?   ?>)()<

Hasn't it been for nearly 30 years? It's quite sweet how Mike's cribbed from my posts though, about how Ralph's body ended up in it's precarious position. He's copied me word for word, the little tinker. But I can't say that I approve of how he and Logout have been slavering over Ann's supposed "tugging at her knickers" and begging Bamber for sex because her husband wasn't satisfying her. I suppose he must be Batman after all, he seems impervious to libel.    >@@(*&)

You can't get blood out of a stone.  The Teskowski's are insolvent.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline starryian

Re: Martin
« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2013, 03:20:03 AM »
Yes the case is officially dead in it's tracks now. Bamber is a complete lost cause for his supporters. To get referred back to the court of appeal needs fresh evidence; not the re-hashed and recycled garbage of his last attempt that the CCRC saw through very quickly, but real, fresh evidence. To my mind this is all, but impossible. He will indeed spend the rest of his life behind bars. However, that won't put his supporters off trying and espousing more bovine excrement in their quest to have him released. I think there comes a time when people must realise it's all over and simply admit defeat, or at least shelve it - all except these kind of people. For whatever reason their delusions run very deep. Many times I have attempted to engage them in a sensible, logical and questioning dialogue, only to be fobbed off with the standard "I just don't feel Jeremy could have done it" and then insist on seeing hard evidence that points to his guilt. Not realising the hypocrisy between the two statements and feel smug and comforted when they insist on seeing hard evidence they know full well does not exist. This has been and always will be a strong cirumstantial case. This makes them extremely uncomfortable. They want eye-witness statements, DNA matches, blood evidence, fingerprint evidence  in a case where the killer was extremely devious and left very little in the way of hard physical evidence and covered his tracks with diabolical cunning. Moreover, the shoddy investigation left the proverbial floodgate open for them to conjure-up all manner of crackpot and often ludicrous theories to justify their beliefs. Then we have the fact that Bamber himself is a highly charistmatic, attractive and manipulative individual that will readily banish someone from his life if they have nothing to offer him or are no longer of any use to him, despite the fact that the supporter has often campaigned very hard and given up so much for him.
This certainly is not the first time this has happened. There are many psychopathic murderers that have seen the merits in manipulating well-meaning people into supporting them from their prison cell and drive them into getting them released, with promises they will never keep.
These murderers usually have a common thread - their utter inability to take responsibility for their actions. They continue the lie until people start to take notice. They play on their vulnerabilities - on their sympathy especially. The 'hard done by' routine. Bamber exploits this very well as a whole plethora of sickening sentimental youtube videos will testify. It is a well-used routine by these people. They know it can be very effective.
I do have much sympathy for these supporters. They devote so much of their own time to try to overturn a conviction in what they see as a miscarriage of justice, when in reality it is nothing of the sort.
We have all discussed the pro and cons of the case in-depth and quite comprehensively and ariived at the conclusion that the man is clearly guilty. Now that his appeals have virtually been exhausted and his whole sham attempt at trying to trick well-meaning people into believing he is innocent has run it's course, we can confine this case to where it belonged when he was first convicted in October of 1986 - to history.
Starryian..

Offline goatboy

Re: Martin
« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2013, 07:41:51 AM »
Yes the case is officially dead in it's tracks now. Bamber is a complete lost cause for his supporters. To get referred back to the court of appeal needs fresh evidence; not the re-hashed and recycled garbage of his last attempt that the CCRC saw through very quickly, but real, fresh evidence. To my mind this is all, but impossible. He will indeed spend the rest of his life behind bars. However, that won't put his supporters off trying and espousing more bovine excrement in their quest to have him released. I think there comes a time when people must realise it's all over and simply admit defeat, or at least shelve it - all except these kind of people. For whatever reason their delusions run very deep. Many times I have attempted to engage them in a sensible, logical and questioning dialogue, only to be fobbed off with the standard "I just don't feel Jeremy could have done it" and then insist on seeing hard evidence that points to his guilt. Not realising the hypocrisy between the two statements and feel smug and comforted when they insist on seeing hard evidence they know full well does not exist. This has been and always will be a strong cirumstantial case. This makes them extremely uncomfortable. They want eye-witness statements, DNA matches, blood evidence, fingerprint evidence  in a case where the killer was extremely devious and left very little in the way of hard physical evidence and covered his tracks with diabolical cunning. Moreover, the shoddy investigation left the proverbial floodgate open for them to conjure-up all manner of crackpot and often ludicrous theories to justify their beliefs. Then we have the fact that Bamber himself is a highly charistmatic, attractive and manipulative individual that will readily banish someone from his life if they have nothing to offer him or are no longer of any use to him, despite the fact that the supporter has often campaigned very hard and given up so much for him.
This certainly is not the first time this has happened. There are many psychopathic murderers that have seen the merits in manipulating well-meaning people into supporting them from their prison cell and drive them into getting them released, with promises they will never keep.
These murderers usually have a common thread - their utter inability to take responsibility for their actions. They continue the lie until people start to take notice. They play on their vulnerabilities - on their sympathy especially. The 'hard done by' routine. Bamber exploits this very well as a whole plethora of sickening sentimental youtube videos will testify. It is a well-used routine by these people. They know it can be very effective.
I do have much sympathy for these supporters. They devote so much of their own time to try to overturn a conviction in what they see as a miscarriage of justice, when in reality it is nothing of the sort.
We have all discussed the pro and cons of the case in-depth and quite comprehensively and ariived at the conclusion that the man is clearly guilty. Now that his appeals have virtually been exhausted and his whole sham attempt at trying to trick well-meaning people into believing he is innocent has run it's course, we can confine this case to where it belonged when he was first convicted in October of 1986 - to history.


Excellent post Ian. The impression I get from the Blue forum now is that they know the game is up. Oddly enough when the last Judicial Review was rejected they seemed weirdly optimistic that it was a minor setback other than the final nail in the coffin that we saw it as. Quite frankly that forum has a bunch of people with way too much time on their hands who feel it is a far fetched idea that Bamber could have committed the murders. They then hypothesise about who did it instead with much more far fetched ideas (Sheila had no blood on her because she had a shower, Sheila barked like a dog which is what the operator heard, it was a drugs gang who committed the murders then framed Jeremy by making it look like Sheila did it) without seeing the irony. I think it does attract the disenfranchised and those who are suspicious of authority and the police in particular. I understand suspicion of authority and that the authorities can and do manipulate things for their own motives. The late, great Bill Hicks (if you ever wondered why I chose my particular profile name there's a clue!) once said if you're not paranoid you're just not paying attention. And of course the recent high profile admission that South Yorks police covered up at Hillsborough just adds fuel to their fire, if it happened once surely it could happen again? However, I don't see the authorities had anything to gain by putting Bamber in jail if he wasn't guilty and any suggestion of masons, drugs gangs, special branch and who knows what else is just an elaborate and incredible fantasy made up by people who think it stretches belief to think Jeremy could have done it when in all honesty it's clearly the only scenario that makes any sense.

Offline starryian

Re: Martin
« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2013, 08:37:13 AM »
Well said Goatboy,
I totally agree. The collective delusion that seems to effect those supporters is very telling. They usually start out from a fantasy theory often instigated by Tesko. This sets in motion the proverbial snowball effect, with the poster in turn following the initial lead, but elaborating on it and shaping it that little bit more until it becomes almost gospel. This process rarely seems questioned along the way except for lone posters such as Steveuk and Bridget. But their posts have a unifying effect on the collective as each supporter tries to outdo the other in their attempts in debunk what is now viewed as virtual heresy. This seems to be quite common in group psychology - akin to a politiical party towing the 'party line' No-one seems to have the ability to step back and see it for what it is - complete garbage started by Mike Tesko or one of his close sychophantic cronies.
They fail to see that they are being wholly and roundly manipulated all the way down the line in order for a devious, cunning, psychopathic child murderer pulling the puppet strings to squirm out of his just punishment.
Starryian..

Offline Outlook

Re: Martin
« Reply #34 on: April 21, 2013, 11:21:29 AM »
Well said Goatboy,
I totally agree. The collective delusion that seems to effect those supporters is very telling. They usually start out from a fantasy theory often instigated by Tesko. This sets in motion the proverbial snowball effect, with the poster in turn following the initial lead, but elaborating on it and shaping it that little bit more until it becomes almost gospel. This process rarely seems questioned along the way except for lone posters such as Steveuk and Bridget. But their posts have a unifying effect on the collective as each supporter tries to outdo the other in their attempts in debunk what is now viewed as virtual heresy. This seems to be quite common in group psychology - akin to a politiical party towing the 'party line' No-one seems to have the ability to step back and see it for what it is - complete garbage started by Mike Tesko or one of his close sychophantic cronies.
They fail to see that they are being wholly and roundly manipulated all the way down the line in order for a devious, cunning, psychopathic child murderer pulling the puppet strings to squirm out of his just punishment.
It is what we call Group Reinforcement Syndrome (or Therapy).  A bit like Religious Groups or things like Alcoholics Anonymous do.  Sometimes it works for good, sometimes for evil.  "My name is "x" and I am an Alcoholic."  Then they all nod and hug each other and say things they would never dream of individually in a unsympathetic forum.  Oprah and Jeremy Kyle have this off to a "tee" with their freak shows.  The Nazis and Communists do the same trick.  Nobody wants to stand out as the only unbeliever in a potentially hostile group.  The less friends a member has the better it works.  Some extreme religious cults practice this to capture members.

I always found it weird they way Tesco obsesses about that picture of Sheila.  He even has it on his Facebook page.  He must really worship it.  He also used to have several pictures of a strangely young Jeremy on his Facebook page too but they seem to have gone and been replaced with endless pictures of bleak snow covered moorland and dead trees that resemble gallows.  You can always tell a person's soul from their pictures.

I suppose his handful of deluded supporters must be the same.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2013, 11:25:50 AM by Outlook »

Offline starryian

Re: Martin
« Reply #35 on: April 27, 2013, 02:26:15 AM »
I now believe most of Bamber's cronies are supporting him for their own ends. I have read alot of what they have been posting lately and it's getting more and more obscure, bizzare, deluded and self-ingratiating.
Some of their points are becoming ludicrous - such as Mike Tesko writing pages and pages on his forum of script that imitates Batman.  8-)(--)

This is not going to warm him to new, potential supporters. (If there is such a thing)
Bamber and his house of cards has collapsed. It was exposed for what it was a long time ago. His campaign was nothing more than a fraudulent attempt by a child-murdering, callous and evil psychopath trying to squirm out of his just punishment. He honed his arguments through years of repetition and taking on board the ideas of his cronies he then wove a cunning fabric of lies built on any perceived discrepancy found in court transcripts.
His manipulation of his supporters - particularly women - was in keeping with his callousness.
His repeated protestations of innocence were his undoing. If he 'fessed up' when he was first caught he may, just may have seen the light of day again. But his own arrogance got the better of him again. The courts saw this man for what he was - A vile murderer, incapable of taking responsibility for his own actions, of feeling any kind of remorse and repeatedly lying. In short, a man who is completely unfit to live in society.
Starryian..

Offline Angelo222

Re: Martin
« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2013, 05:19:22 PM »
I can't see him ever being released and that must piss Tesko et all off no end.  All those wasted years following a ghost. 
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Iggy68

Re: Martin
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2013, 12:32:06 PM »
I can't see him ever being released and that must piss Tesko et all off no end.  All those wasted years following a ghost.

 
it'll piss Tesko off alright , i'm pretty sure he has his eye on that so called reward that Bamber put up

Offline puglove

Re: Martin
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2013, 01:35:47 PM »
I can't see him ever being released and that must piss Tesko et all off no end.  All those wasted years following a ghost.

 
it'll piss Tesko off alright , i'm pretty sure he has his eye on that so called reward that Bamber put up

He certainly did, until Bamber changed allegiance and promised everything to a "piece of pussy"!!   @)(++(*
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline John

Re: Martin
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2013, 01:47:01 PM »
I can't see him ever being released and that must piss Tesko et all off no end.  All those wasted years following a ghost.

 
it'll piss Tesko off alright , i'm pretty sure he has his eye on that so called reward that Bamber put up

He certainly did, until Bamber changed allegiance and promised everything to a "piece of pussy"!!   @)(++(*

Is that cat even on the scene any more or has she been dumped as well?  I have lost count of them all now after nearly 28 years.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.