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Re: Why did the sniffer dogs fail to find Madeleine?
« Reply #105 on: July 01, 2013, 02:49:39 PM »
Cheers for clarifying this Angelo mate.   8((()*/ 
 
I don't know why posters continue to put disinformation about concerning the GNR sniffer dogs but one fact is clear and that is they failed to find anything of any consequence at all.
Angelo's posts don't concern sniffer dogs, but patrol dogs (one with a bit of training in tracking, the only one who reacted).

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Re: Why did the sniffer dogs fail to find Madeleine?
« Reply #106 on: July 01, 2013, 03:13:25 PM »
...and from his colleague.

Carlos Manuel Carvalho Lacão

Occupation: GNR Officer

He has been a GNR officer since 1988. He holds the post of soldier and currently works in the Portimao Territorial Group, working within the forensics service.

On 4th May he was called at about 01h15 when he was asleep at home, requesting him to appear at the Lagos GNR post as a small girl had disappeared. After arriving at the GNR post with his colleagues Morais and two dogs (Numi and Kit), German Shepherd dogs, which made up the search team, they immediately left for P da L. They arrived at about 02h30.

When they arrived at the scene, they entered the McCanns' apartment by the front door, and entered the living room, where there were some PJ officers as well as the McCann couple. They just talked to some colleagues from the PJ and asked for a piece of clothing that Madeleine had worn or used recently. They were given a pink/orange blanket that the child had been covered with in her bed.

They began searching with the dogs from the main entrance to the apartment, having given the blanket to his dog Numi to smell and begin to search.

The route initially taken was from the front entrance door to the passageway between Blocks 4 and 5, along the corridor and then along the passage that leads past the entrance to the small reception to the resort's swimming pool. After that the whole of the area surrounding the resort was searched.

With regard to the indications transmitted by his dog Numi, he says that at the beginning he was only “a little interested”, he let the dog "get on with it" .

They finished the searches at about 07h00 AM.


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When they arrived at the scene, they entered the McCanns' apartment by the front door, and entered the living room, where there were some PJ officers as well as the McCann couple. They just talked to some colleagues from the PJ and asked for a piece of clothing that Madeleine had worn or used recently. They were given a pink/orange blanket that the child had been covered with in her bed.

Now Carlos Manuel Carvalho Lacão contradicts Armando Augusto Morais, because you missed this bit off, his statement.
He says that he never entered the apartment which Madeleine disappeared from, he was only in the access corridor to the apartment.


You are mistaken DCI.  There were dogs deployed within hours of Madeleines disappearance.

Armando Augusto Morais

Occupation: GNR Officer

He has been a GNR officer since 1982. He currently works in the Portimao Territorial Group, working within the forensics service.

On 4th May he was called at about 01.15, he arrived at the OC at about 1.55, accompanied by the officer Laçao.

They presented themselves to Sergeant Duarte from the GNR Lagos post and were informed by him of the disappearance of a small girl from the resort. There were other GNR officers present at the scene, but he does not remember their names. There were also PJ officers present.

After having established exactly where the girl had disappeared from, he was given a piece of her clothing by one of his colleagues, whose name he does not remember.

From the door of the apartment, accompanied by his dog, he walked around the entire perimeter of the resort and revised the interior of several of the apartments.

As he did not obtain any results in the area close to the resort, he extended the perimeter of the search to a distance of 1 km.


www.mccannfiles.com/id258.html#gnr9

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Re: Why did the sniffer dogs fail to find Madeleine?
« Reply #107 on: July 01, 2013, 03:17:07 PM »
Cheers for clarifying this Angelo mate.   8((()*/ 
 
I don't know why posters continue to put disinformation about concerning the GNR sniffer dogs but one fact is clear and that is they failed to find anything of any consequence at all.

Nor do I  8((()*/
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Re: Why did the sniffer dogs fail to find Madeleine?
« Reply #108 on: July 01, 2013, 04:20:37 PM »
You can call the dogs whatever you want but at the end of the day they all sniff!   The GNR wouldn't have brought in two dogs within hours of Madeldines disappearance if they were useless.  They failed to follow her trail which is evidence and evidence that she never walked out of that apartment.  But then again guys we all know that from the other bits of evidence don't we?   @)(++(*
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Re: Why did the sniffer dogs fail to find Madeleine?
« Reply #109 on: July 01, 2013, 07:46:48 PM »
Now Carlos Manuel Carvalho Lacão contradicts Armando Augusto Morais, because you missed this bit off, his statement.
He says that he never entered the apartment which Madeleine disappeared from, he was only in the access corridor to the apartment.

Why on earth would I include an irrelevant comment about where they went in the McCanns apartment?

We are discussing the sniffer dogs on this thread and in particular how effective they were.  You corrected Sadie who commented that the night Madeleine disappeared it was cold and windy and the dogs wouldn't have had a chance to scent properly. You claimed it was some 4 days later that the dogs attended.

My post above clearly shows that Sadie was right DCI and that GNR dogs did attend just hours after Maddie was taken so maybe you can apologise to her or at least explain your error.
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Re: Why did the sniffer dogs fail to find Madeleine?
« Reply #110 on: July 02, 2013, 01:09:28 AM »
Why on earth would I include an irrelevant comment about where they went in the McCanns apartment?

We are discussing the sniffer dogs on this thread and in particular how effective they were.  You corrected Sadie who commented that the night Madeleine disappeared it was cold and windy and the dogs wouldn't have had a chance to scent properly. You claimed it was some 4 days later that the dogs attended.

My post above clearly shows that Sadie was right DCI and that GNR dogs did attend just hours after Maddie was taken so maybe you can apologise to her or at least explain your error.
No apologies needed.  No harm done.  I said " a couple of days later" because I couldn't remember exactly how many days later ... and I erred on the safe side so as not to upset anyone from the anti camp.  Am glad that DCI gave the precise facts.  Thanks DCI.   Four days later, not a couple of days.. 8((()*/

Thanks for your concern tho' Angelo.   Appreciated  8((()*/

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Re: Why did the sniffer dogs fail to find Madeleine?
« Reply #111 on: July 02, 2013, 02:14:40 AM »
Why on earth would I include an irrelevant comment about where they went in the McCanns apartment?

We are discussing the sniffer dogs on this thread and in particular how effective they were.  You corrected Sadie who commented that the night Madeleine disappeared it was cold and windy and the dogs wouldn't have had a chance to scent properly. You claimed it was some 4 days later that the dogs attended.

My post above clearly shows that Sadie was right DCI and that GNR dogs did attend just hours after Maddie was taken so maybe you can apologise to her or at least explain your error.


One said they didn't go in the apartment, the other said they did, so it was rellevant!

Why do I need to apologise to Sadie?, she seems to know I was correct in my answer to her post. I didn't correct Sadie, I answered her question. Which was "was it? ... a couple on days later"
The error is yours Angelo, you haven't read the posts correctly.

It was a gusty night.  Madeleine's feet were about 4 ft off the ground.  She had just bathed removing any dead skin and little skin was exposed anyway.  Her head and hands were lying against bundleman, so would fall onto her own body or bundleman.  That leaves two tiny feet, just washed so no dead skin. and it was a gusty night.  Sorry you guys but there would be no scent for a ground sniffing dog to follow,  Nor with that gusty weather would there be ant scent left for an air sniffing dog.

That is assuming that it was Madeleine.  But we have a golden witness to the abduction and we know that Madeleine did NOT go that way anyhow.

The dogs were either following Madeleine's shoe/feet trail from a previous trip or they were following the sweaty smell of the abductor, which had mingled with Madeleine's on the Towel and blanket..

These same dogs followed the same trail, was it? ... a couple on days later.

You are in cloud Coockoo land if you think that a faint air smell would hang around like that.

My reply to the bold writing

It was actually, 4 days later, Sadie.
How many others would have walked that route after the 4th. It wasn't cordoned off, was it?

From the 4th to the 8th is 4 days, isn't it?

Maybe you should apologise to me 8)><(
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