The Quality of Witnesses in the Case.

[mercury]

According to the FSS report there is forensic evidence which was collected in apartment 5A which has not been traced to a donor ... you will not find a better witness than a forensic sample.

Depends on what the sample is a witness to doesn't it. Unidentified/partial prints and DNA do not automatically mean something suspicious, especially not in a place frequented by many people 

[Brietta]

I don't see how Mr Carpenter's relaying of what his wife said at a certain time doesn't count as part of "what he witnessed", as if, somehow, one's ears  do not carry the same weight  as one's eyes when memory is recalled, but not to worry, I've forgotten the reason why some don't want to count Mrs Carpenter's words as important

Regarding your question, no, I made no assertion

Must be getting late ... because that post didn't make the slightest bit of sense to me.

[mercury]

Nor can what Mrs Carpenter actually said in her statement be taken as a given ... that is a rather arrogant presumption to make.

I totally agree but that wasn't the issue. Or arrogance. Or presumption.

[Brietta]

Depends on what the sample is a witness to doesn't it. Unidentified/partial prints and DNA do not automatically mean something suspicious, especially not in a place frequented by many people

I think they may have a particular significance in a room from which a little girl has disappeared.

[mercury]

I think they may have a particular significance in a room from which a little girl has disappeared.

They may, then again, they might not. But it serves no purpose blaming police for incomplete prints or DNA.

[sadie]

Yes we know, you have said it three times now,  and no, I don't consider it suspicious as I explained before. The comment I made on here when I got involved in the discussion, was about people suggesting Mr Carpenter being wrong about what his wife said. That cannot be taken as a given.

PS there are other British holidaymakers' statements "missing" from the files. IMO this is down to the British police, either through not wanting them in there or by not sending them in the first place, ie Tannerman the Crecheman being one example.

I think that you will find that the only Ocean Club visitors with missing files are the ones outlined above.

And they are the crucial ones, the only ones, that can prove that Gerry was there searching at the pertinent time


Big coincidence that.  The ONLY Ocean Club ones missing are the ones that could PROVE Gerry was searching


That "lost" evidence could have been very important to the case, had Gerry and Kate been charged.  It could have swung the case against them.



BUT
Little doubt that SY will now have cheked things out with the relevant people.   They will know the truth.

[G-Unit]

I think that you will find that the only Ocean Club visitors with missing files are the ones outlined above.

And they are the crucial ones, the only ones, that can prove that Gerry was there searching at the pertinent time


Big coincidence that.  The ONLY Ocean Club ones missing are the ones that could PROVE Gerry was searching


That "lost" evidence could have been very important to the case, had Gerry and Kate been charged.  It could have swung the case against them.



BUT
Little doubt that SY will now have cheked things out with the relevant people.   They will know the truth.

Who could prove Gerry was searching? Mrs Carpenter went home at 9.30pm. Berry and Balu? what could they prove?

[Eleanor]

The Quality of Witnesses in The Case.  Thank You.

[sadie]

Who could prove Gerry was searching? Mrs Carpenter went home at 9.30pm. Berry and Balu? what could they prove?

Carolyn went home at 9.30,

..... but YOU are jumping to conclusions that when she heard "Madeleine Madeleine" being called was at THAT time. 


Some people have VERY keen hearing and would likely hear shouting through the single thickness walls and single glazed windows, which also might be cracked open.  We just dont know.


And the statements that could have verified things has mysteriously gone missing
Same as the statements by Neil Berry and Raj. &%+((£
All three important statements that could have verified Gerry was searching.  ALL have gone missing.


Sorry, Gunit, but you are jumping to conclusions.   I freely admit that I jumped to the same conclusions to begin with .... until I mulled over it and realised that I didn't know the time it happened.


SY WILL know tho.  They will have checked with the three peeps whose statements are missing.


ETA:  Soz Eleanor.  Posted before I read your words.  Off now,

[pathfinder73]

"My testimony dated 6th of May 2007 related the details of the conversation we overheard and the information regarding the paper that Neil and I used in the searches." (Raj Balu)

They haven't been released not missing. After 10pm we know Gerry was out on the streets searching because he wasn't in his apartment.

[G-Unit]

"My testimony dated 6th of May 2007 related the details of the conversation we overheard and the information regarding the paper that Neil and I used in the searches." (Raj Balu)

They haven't been released not missing. After 10pm we know Gerry was out on the streets searching because he wasn't in his apartment.

Intriguing. I wonder what that conversation was about and who it was between? The important statements which are missing imo are the Urwins and the Sperries. Due to the time their meals were booked at the Tapas on 3rd May they should have been there later than the people who were booked in earlier.

[Brietta]

Intriguing. I wonder what that conversation was about and who it was between? The important statements which are missing imo are the Urwins and the Sperries. Due to the time their meals were booked at the Tapas on 3rd May they should have been there later than the people who were booked in earlier.

The important thing is that Scotand Yard and the Polícia Judiciária have all these witness statements, as well as those gathered in the intervening period.
I think they will have read them all in great detail.