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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #120 on: August 27, 2015, 09:28:10 AM »
Don't you think it is feasible that the care home may have covered up any murders or disappearances?
I mean, if they were lax and allowed in the so called beast of painsnal or whatever his name was?

Beast? there were beasts?  I need more info.

Carana, here we are back at this 'evidence' thing. Just because there is no evidence does not mean crimes were not committed. 20mil is nothing.. public sevrants know how to blow and waste money it is the only thing they are good at! still working out cheaper than Maddie case- one child.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Carana

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #121 on: August 27, 2015, 11:33:56 AM »
Don't you think it is feasible that the care home may have covered up any murders or disappearances?
I mean, if they were lax and allowed in the so called beast of painsnal or whatever his name was?

No idea. That awful person had connections to a different "home" and even he didn't actually kill anyone. Could he, or some other creep, have had access to HdlG? Possibly, but there's still no evidence that anyone within the timeframe was murdered while in "care".

Offline Brietta

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #122 on: August 27, 2015, 12:11:43 PM »
No idea. That awful person had connections to a different "home" and even he didn't actually kill anyone. Could he, or some other creep, have had access to HdlG? Possibly, but there's still no evidence that anyone within the timeframe was murdered while in "care".

I think the starting point in any murder investigation would be
  • a body - body parts - enough blood to indicate that a life must have been extinguished
  • a report of a missing person or persons
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #123 on: August 27, 2015, 12:52:31 PM »
Yes indeed, and also the allegations about the alledged visits  by a PM( who had a yacht) and Jimmy Saville- Saville known as a prolific sex abuser,necrophiliac, and sadistic b........, according to some.

The children who vanished may have been murdered but may not have been buried on the island. The investigation may well be in its infancy and joining up with other investigations in the UK. A powerful group of people seem to be getting their come uppance..shame some are dead already!

So you think Ted Heath took children onto his yacht, to abuse them.

How do you think that worked?

You do realise that Heath had two close protection officers with him at all times, and that Morning Cloud is a racing yacht, with a crew of seven?


Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #124 on: August 27, 2015, 02:18:17 PM »
So you think Ted Heath took children onto his yacht, to abuse them.

How do you think that worked?

You do realise that Heath had two close protection officers with him at all times, and that Morning Cloud is a racing yacht, with a crew of seven?

I have not accused Ted Heath of anything so stop trying to re write my posts. I used the word alledged! The Yacht was his means of access to Jersey and any ocean on planet earth. He may or may not have been involved with child abuse. I do not claim to know.

Protection Officers... lol  there are many people walking on this planet knowing secrets and not telling them. Just saying...
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Carana

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #125 on: August 27, 2015, 06:37:46 PM »
I have not accused Ted Heath of anything so stop trying to re write my posts. I used the word alledged! The Yacht was his means of access to Jersey and any ocean on planet earth. He may or may not have been involved with child abuse. I do not claim to know.

Protection Officers... lol  there are many people walking on this planet knowing secrets and not telling them. Just saying...

The Ted Heath Jersey allegations don't seem very credible to me at the moment...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/eleven-boys-went-edward-heaths-6209310

But then compare it to:

https://lcorby.wordpress.com/

For one thing, "early 70s" is rather vague, and the story changes as to who counted the children. And why did either of them count them in the first place?

As JP pointed out, the boat would have needed crew and he was apparently surrounded by protection officers (particularly as PM in the "early 70s").

"Someone" on "some" yacht molesting a child is feasible... but presumably Heath's boat wasn't the only one.


Just as there could be political shenanigans covering up for abuse, there could also be some dropping unsubstantiated insinuations...

Offline mercury

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #126 on: August 28, 2015, 02:21:30 AM »
I think the starting point in any murder investigation would be
  • a body - body parts - enough blood to indicate that a life must have been extinguished
  • a report of a missing person or persons


Well, maybe u should send an email to the police and tell them not to do it again then IE spend 30 million on finding murder

Incompetent lot tut

« Last Edit: August 28, 2015, 02:23:56 AM by mercury »

Offline Benice

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #127 on: August 28, 2015, 09:16:43 AM »
In the video we saw Eddie alerting in many places inside the building.      Does anyone know whether Martin Grime's interpretation of those alerts - (i.e. cadaverscent or blood?)  was ever published anywhere?  Did he put Keela in after Eddie? 








The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Carana

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #128 on: August 28, 2015, 11:29:10 AM »
In the video we saw Eddie alerting in many places inside the building.      Does anyone know whether Martin Grime's interpretation of those alerts - (i.e. cadaverscent or blood?)  was ever published anywhere?  Did he put Keela in after Eddie?

It's not always clear... One passage seems to me as if Eddie was put in after Keela, but in general it would seem to be the opposite.

http://voiceforprotest.blogspot.com/2010/03/operation-rectangle-summary-report.html


Offline Benice

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #129 on: August 28, 2015, 12:45:24 PM »
It's not always clear... One passage seems to me as if Eddie was put in after Keela, but in general it would seem to be the opposite.

http://voiceforprotest.blogspot.com/2010/03/operation-rectangle-summary-report.html

Thanks for that link Carana - I will read it later.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Brietta

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #130 on: August 28, 2015, 02:19:10 PM »

Well, maybe u should send an email to the police and tell them not to do it again then IE spend 30 million on finding murder

Incompetent lot tut

   Is that not exactly what the subsequent inquiry did following the Haute de la Garenne fiasco??
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #131 on: August 28, 2015, 11:38:32 PM »
   Is that not exactly what the subsequent inquiry did following the Haute de la Garenne fiasco??

What? Spend 30 million? I have no idea.
Why don't you remind us all why the investigation was a fiasco? ;its own is a much used word in cover ups as well as actual fiascos
Did you read the link posted by Carana...harrowing reading....many unanswered questions.....of course if you think everything was a mistake, well, can't help you...you cannot say there is nothing of concern there...I hope the new investigation finds out exactly what they have been tasked to find out

Offline Brietta

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #132 on: August 29, 2015, 02:14:31 AM »
What? Spend 30 million? I have no idea.
Why don't you remind us all why the investigation was a fiasco? ;its own is a much used word in cover ups as well as actual fiascos
Did you read the link posted by Carana...harrowing reading....many unanswered questions.....of course if you think everything was a mistake, well, can't help you...you cannot say there is nothing of concern there...I hope the new investigation finds out exactly what they have been tasked to find out

If you require reminding why Haute de la Garenne was a fiasco you most certainly have not been paying attention.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Carana

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #133 on: August 29, 2015, 11:49:41 AM »
The second paragraph appears to be the substance for checking for evidence of murder. The third one (resulting in the local advocate going to the police) appears to be the same person mentioned in the David Rose article: a guy who had previously been interviewed by the police and had never mentioned anything about murder.

One or two victims have stated to the inquiry that they were dragged from their beds, but obviously they weren't murder victims.

I would have thought that the police would have asked for the names of those who'd allegedly disappeared and tried to cross-reference them. I haven't come across any report stating that the police had been given specific names, which seems unusual.

I can understand the need to explore the allegations, but it comes across to me as Chinese whispers.

What's possible is that some people are conflating two memories: kids taken from their beds (but who returned) and the short-term residents who were only there for a couple of weeks. It's also possible that the media frenzy stating that the "remains" of x children had been found produced false memories.

If some poor kids had been murdered, there's no evidence that it happened at HdlG.

In April 2006 States of Jersey Police became concerned at the number of carers who were being accused of involvement in offences concerning the abuse of children.  This was particularly highlighted when the commanding officer of the Jersey Sea Cadets was arrested for downloading pornographic images including some involving sea cadets.  The attitude of the Sea Cadet authorities of that time caused great concern.  Accordingly, police began to examine a number of previous cases and during this review were continually referred to abuse which had allegedly taken place at Haut de La Garenne.  This covert phase of the enquiry went on until November 2007 when the investigation was made public. Because of the concerns of victims about any involvement of the Jersey caring agencies it was decided to seek the assistance of the NSPCC in London.  Within a week seventy victims had come forward, most detailing abuse at HDLG.

Among the victims were a few who said that children had been dragged from their beds at night screaming and had then disappeared. Two others said they had knowledge of human remains at the location but were not specific.  A local advocate also came to police and said he had a client who knew there were human remains buried at the home.  The collation of numerous complaints of both sexual and violent abuse of children led to the decision being made to enter the home to carry out a screening search for human remains and evidence in support of the allegations of abuse. The advice and assistance of the NPIA in the deployment of UK specialists was secured.

http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2012/04/summary-of-evidence.html

Offline Carana

Re: The Jersey Child Abuse Investigation and the EVRD deployment.
« Reply #134 on: August 29, 2015, 04:00:29 PM »
Bearing in mind that these articles were written in April 2008:


Flat Earth News and the Jersey child abuse scandal (Part 1)

RICHARD WEBSTER

4 April 2008; last revised 19 April 10.20am
http://www.richardwebster.net/jersey1.htm


 The Jersey skull fragment, the police and the facts that changed

RICHARD WEBSTER

Wednesday 23 April 2008; last revised 6 May 6.40am
http://www.richardwebster.net/jersey-skull.htm