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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New Forensic Work or Completion of Existing Work
« Reply #45 on: April 13, 2016, 04:09:36 PM »
Caroline seems adament that you have stolen her research from over three years ago. Which is very modest of her. 

I will have to read the thread again one day to find out why.

I've heard Caro is busy with a top Northern legal firm (the equivalent of the worst in the South) securing intellectual property rights for her research into the bible and palm print  ?>)()<
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline John

Re: New Forensic Work or Completion of Existing Work
« Reply #46 on: April 13, 2016, 05:07:51 PM »
Considering the amount of abuse I have received both on and off the forums I shall never be releasing or agree to announcing anything again. In the unlikely scenario I find something else in the future, its going straight to JBs QC and know one will know about it. Lesson learned, The past week has been stressful enough. I do not wish to repeat it.

Why don't you send the details to me David and I will decide if it is unique or not?   Needless to say I won't reveal the information.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Myster

Re: New Forensic Work or Completion of Existing Work
« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2016, 06:19:55 AM »
... including a cc if you please, to me, Holly, scipio, Caroline, APRIL, Adam, pugsy and every other Tom, Dick and Harry I haven't mentioned.

Why should John have all the fun!
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline adam

Re: New Forensic Work or Completion of Existing Work
« Reply #48 on: April 14, 2016, 06:34:45 AM »
I've heard Caro is busy with a top Northern legal firm (the equivalent of the worst in the South) securing intellectual property rights for her research into the bible and palm print  ?>)()<

Caroline can be quite pompous. Often refuting peoples posts with two word answers.

Recently on another forum I commented on other peoples suggestions about Sheila sleeping in the main bedroom. Several posters, including a moderator ganged up on me saying I was the only one saying it. When I quoted other peoples posts Caroline told me I should realise what she really meant. I'm sorry but no one has time to second guess or over analyze someones post. What is written is taken at face value.

Now saying David stole her research from over three years ago and over two years before David joined, is surprising. There are lots of other valid ways to discredit a statement that has no source or evidence to back it up.

In the short term everyone just has to wait for David to publish Hunters or Bamber reply to him.
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Offline Harry

Re: New Forensic Work or Completion of Existing Work
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2016, 12:22:21 AM »
Caroline can be quite pompous. Often refuting peoples posts with two word answers.

Recently on another forum I commented on other peoples suggestions about Sheila sleeping in the main bedroom. Several posters, including a moderator ganged up on me saying I was the only one saying it. When I quoted other peoples posts Caroline told me I should realise what she really meant. I'm sorry but no one has time to second guess or over analyze someones post. What is written is taken at face value.

Now saying David stole her research from over three years ago and over two years before David joined, is surprising. There are lots of other valid ways to discredit a statement that has no source or evidence to back it up.

In the short term everyone just has to wait for David to publish Hunters or Bamber reply to him.

Unless Caroline has been reading private messages, how can she possibly know what evidence David has. That question for David thread is really weird. She suddenly turns really aggressive for no apparent reason.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7600.msg357740.html#msg357740

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7600.msg357741.html#msg357741


« Last Edit: April 15, 2016, 12:54:22 AM by Harry »

Offline sika

Re: New Forensic Work or Completion of Existing Work
« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2016, 07:14:11 AM »
Unless Caroline has been reading private messages, how can she possibly know what evidence David has. That question for David thread is really weird. She suddenly turns really aggressive for no apparent reason.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7600.msg357740.html#msg357740

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7600.msg357741.html#msg357741
This whole saga, whilst telling us nothing more about the Bamber case, tells us a great deal about the two main protagonists, Caroline and David.

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: New Forensic Work or Completion of Existing Work
« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2016, 04:12:40 PM »
Unless Caroline has been reading private messages, how can she possibly know what evidence David has. That question for David thread is really weird. She suddenly turns really aggressive for no apparent reason.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7600.msg357740.html#msg357740

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7600.msg357741.html#msg357741

Hints about what the supposed breakthrough included referenced among other things that it contradicted a factual claim of the Court of Appeals.  One of the assertions was that the bulk of the blood on the Bible got there from sitting in a pool of Sheila's blood. Caroline speculated that this COA assertion is what was being refuted by David and repeatedly asked questions to try to see if that is the case.  David has refused to answer straight whether this is or isn't the case. His refusal to answer straight has her convinced she is right and convinces her that he is using arguments she made.

All David would need to do in order to end such speculation is to answer straight whether or not his breakthrough involved blood on the Bible. If he answers no then his breakthrough is not related to what Caroline believes. His refusal to answer this question is being taken by Caroline as a tacit admission that it is.

David often makes no sense and doesn't make any sense at all here. He said he posted about his breakthrough to spark discussion. When people try to discuss it as he said he wanted then he refuses to do so. His mentality is like a child who wants to gloat and say I have a secret I have a secret and just tease people.  His supposed motivation for posting makes no sense in light of the fact he is unwilling to discuss it.  My own sense is that he posted it so that just in case the defense does run with his claim and investigate it that he can brag about deserving credit for it.  It wasn't to spark discussion is was to try to lay groundwork for claiming credit.

His reasons for not wanting to disclose the information are absurd. On one hand he exudes great confidence in his work. But he said he is scared to have me peer review his claims because he is scared that I will get the information out to the campaign team and then they will run with it.  He says he doesn't want that to happen because he may be wrong and doesn't want them using his work to make erroneous propaganda claims.  In my personal opinion what he is really scared of is them stealing his work and him not getting credit. I despise the campaign team and there is no danger of me leaking anything to them or anyone else. 

The reason he cited on the board for not wanting his theory to get out is because then the government will find out about the claim sooner than they would if the claim is introduced to them in court filings and that would give them more time to disprove his theory.

First of all this is absurd.  Government lawyers are not waiting for claims to come out on websites so they can then test them.  They only take claims seriously and try to test them when they are made through the legal process.

But worse, David claims to be objective and said he only wants his breakthrough used by Jeremy if it is true.  If that were the case he would want as many people as possible to investigate his claims to see whether they are true.  Instead he wants as few people as possible to test it so that there is the least possible opportunity to be proven wrong.

David has a history of hypocrisy and illogic and this squares with that quite well.  He is a staunch Jeremy advocate but tries to present himself as impartial to try to gain credibility.

The theory Caroline set forth fell apart under scrutiny and I am sure so will whatever David has conjured up.

   
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

david1819

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Re: New Forensic Work or Completion of Existing Work
« Reply #52 on: April 16, 2016, 03:00:37 AM »

All David would need to do in order to end such speculation is to answer straight whether or not his breakthrough involved blood on the Bible. If he answers no then his breakthrough is not related to what Caroline believes. His refusal to answer this question is being taken by Caroline as a tacit admission that it is.

I have resolved the issue with Caroline.

David often makes no sense and doesn't make any sense at all here.

I can only explain things to you, I cannot understand them for you

He said he posted about his breakthrough to spark discussion. When people try to discuss it as he said he wanted then he refuses to do so. His mentality is like a child who wants to gloat and say I have a secret I have a secret and just tease people.

I was told over the phone by Andrew Hunter that I should not reveal anything, Hence its now down to his legal team. Teasing people with the information is now my default option.

But he said he is scared to have me peer review his claims because he is scared that I will get the information out to the campaign team and then they will run with it.

Scared? lol I just don't think its appropriate for the CT to have it. As for you "peer reviewing" what's the point? your pro guilt zealotry will stop at nothing other than a video tape of Shelia committing the massacre.

The reason he cited on the board for not wanting his theory to get out is because then the government will find out about the claim sooner than they would if the claim is introduced to them in court filings and that would give them more time to disprove his theory.

First of all this is absurd.  Government lawyers are not waiting for claims to come out on websites so they can then test them.  They only take claims seriously and try to test them when they are made through the legal process.

That was the reason Andrew Hunter gave me, since he was a member of parliament and held government office, I think he may know better than me and you on the process.

Instead he wants as few people as possible to test it so that there is the least possible opportunity to be proven wrong.
Again you make things up. my reasons are stated above.

David has a history of hypocrisy and illogic and this squares with that quite well.

Why do you see the splinter in my eye and not notice the log in your own eye?




Offline scipio_usmc

Re: New Forensic Work or Completion of Existing Work
« Reply #53 on: April 16, 2016, 04:42:35 AM »
I have resolved the issue with Caroline.

I can only explain things to you, I cannot understand them for you

I was told over the phone by Andrew Hunter that I should not reveal anything, Hence its now down to his legal team. Teasing people with the information is now my default option.

Scared? lol I just don't think its appropriate for the CT to have it. As for you "peer reviewing" what's the point? your pro guilt zealotry will stop at nothing other than a video tape of Shelia committing the massacre.

That was the reason Andrew Hunter gave me, since he was a member of parliament and held government office, I think he may know better than me and you on the process.
Again you make things up. my reasons are stated above.

Why do you see the splinter in my eye and not notice the log in your own eye?

You are so biased that you consider anyone who is objective to be an anti-Bamber zealot it really is laughable.

Hunter is a joke. He has made many absurd claims.  He is so biased in favor of Jeremy that he doesn't care about the truth he wants the government to have as little chance as possible to try to scrutinize defense claims in hopes that even if they are false the government won't have enough time to prove it. 

He is so delusional and paranoid in the meantime that he thinks the government is trolling websites so that they can try to disprove claims before they even are made in the legal process.

If you choose to be as delusional that doesn't bode every well for you.  In the meantime it doesn't at all square with your claim that you are objective and just want your theory to be considered if it is actually true and valid.  If you wanted to make sure it is true and valid you would release it and let the chips fall where they may.  refusing to release it to aid the defense in trying to sandbag the prosecution is not something that an objective person interested in the truth would do.  If interested in the truth you let all see your claims and have the opportunity to rigorously test them.

You constantly contradict yourself indeed you contradicted yourself at the outset by saying you were announcing this to spark discussion though you refuse to discuss it and thus there is no way to discuss anything. Your claim you wanted to spark discussion makes no sense.  When you make such little sense on such basic issues there is no reason at all to take serious your claim that you have found a breakthrough.



“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline sika

Re: New Forensic Work or Completion of Existing Work
« Reply #54 on: April 16, 2016, 08:40:20 AM »
Let's face it.  Nobody believes that David has unearthed anything remotely interesting. 

I find Caroline's attitude rather strange.  If David has pinched her research, which has already been published, then so what? 

Offline Daisy

Re: New Forensic Work or Completion of Existing Work
« Reply #55 on: April 16, 2016, 08:44:48 AM »
I don't believe David and think he has made up this claim to keep the debate alive. I sent him a PM and he didn't bother to reply to me. As for Andrew Hunter, Jeremy told me three years ago that he is lo longer in contact with him. Either reveal what you have found or stop posting. I have hundreds of documents relating to the case which have been through with a fine tooth comb. With so many people working for Jeremy over the years, including many professionals, no one has come up with any evidence to support his innocence. Stop playing games David and get a life.