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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Did Bamber call Witham police station ?
« Reply #60 on: September 27, 2015, 08:21:05 PM »
Why no reference to Dale in the CA judgment?

There is a ref to DD in the CoA doc.  You've surely just read it here?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6654.msg275893#msg275893
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Did Bamber call Witham police station ?
« Reply #61 on: September 27, 2015, 08:32:14 PM »
SB's WS as follows states she did not speak with JM after the circa 3.15am call:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=529.0;attach=1659

JM's WS as follows states she had a conversation with SB after the circa 3.15am call:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=284.0;attach=1106

Remind me who it was that said JM's WS's had "the ring of truth to them"?  I can't believe I'm wasting my time on this BS.  And who was Joanne or Joanna Wood or Woad? 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline anglolawyer

Re: Did Bamber call Witham police station ?
« Reply #62 on: September 27, 2015, 08:34:53 PM »
There is a ref to DD in the CoA doc.  You've surely just read it here?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6654.msg275893#msg275893
Oh stop confusing me!   You said he answered the call but it's not clear that's true.   How many people besides Julie were there in the house?   Three or four?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Did Bamber call Witham police station ?
« Reply #63 on: September 27, 2015, 08:51:59 PM »
Oh stop confusing me!   You said he answered the call but it's not clear that's true.   How many people besides Julie were there in the house?   Three or four?

Exactly...who was in the house?  I know students come and go and have friends stay over but its all getting very confusing.  SB's WS gives her address as 42 Caterham Road.  She states it was a 3 bed semi with one of the downstairs rooms a bedroom.  So effectively 4 bedrooms.  She moved in during Sep 84.  At this time other occupants included: JM, Jim Richards and Charles Thackway.  On 6th Aug she claims the property was occupied by herself, JM, Doug Dale and Helen Eaton.  On 10th Sept she claims the property was occupied by herself, JM, John Dyer and Charles Thackway. 

Charles Thackway seemed to be a permanent resident and yet he was not around on 6th Aug?  What was the connection with Helen Eaton?  Who was Joanna or Joanne Woad or Wood?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Did Bamber call Witham police station ?
« Reply #64 on: September 27, 2015, 09:15:23 PM »
Oh stop confusing me!   You said he answered the call but it's not clear that's true.   How many people besides Julie were there in the house?   Three or four?

I said DD answered the circa 3.15am call based on JM's WS but I also highlighted the CoA doc which refers to DD's WS and based on the excerpt he makes no ref to answering the call.  If we had his full WS we might be able to resolve. 

I'm prepared to accept witnesses get muddled about the time, that's understandable, but they surely must recall which one of the 4 or 5 occupants took a tel call from JB at circa 3.15am on a weekday?  Especially when the full horror of it all became apparent the following day.   
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Did Bamber call Witham police station ?
« Reply #65 on: September 27, 2015, 11:08:16 PM »
SB's WS as follows states she did not speak with JM after the circa 3.15am call:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=529.0;attach=1659

JM's WS as follows states she had a conversation with SB after the circa 3.15am call:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=284.0;attach=1106

Remind me who it was that said JM's WS's had "the ring of truth to them"?  I can't believe I'm wasting my time on this BS.  And who was Joanne or Joanna Wood or Woad?

I've just noted something odd, throughout JM's WS's, or certainly those linked to the one above, she refers to JB as Jeremy and yet when she refers to the section I've highlighted above on pages 10 and 11 she refers to him as Jerry and then reverts back to Jeremy.   &%+((£ 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=284.msg4962#msg4962

I wonder if these are the WS's that JB's defence read?

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Did Bamber call Witham police station ?
« Reply #66 on: September 27, 2015, 11:35:17 PM »
OMG I cant believe I'm still ploughing through these WS's it must be connected to my OCD  8)><(

In the following WS JM states she was mistaken about Douglas Dale taking the circa 3.15am call she answered it herself.  It was DD who answered the circa 5.40am call.

I guess those who believe JB guilty and JM told the truth the whole truth and nothing but thats ok if she was mistaken?  Yet if JB is mistaken with whether he called JM or EP first that is somehow indicative of guilt?  Lol

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=286.0;attach=1152

She seems to refer to JB as Jeremy in all her WS's other than those I've pointed out above and the following where she refers to JB as Jerry and Jeremy.  This does strike me as a little odd.  I wonder if DS Jones referred to JB as Jerry?  &%+((£

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=285.msg4963#msg4963
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline anglolawyer

Re: Did Bamber call Witham police station ?
« Reply #67 on: September 28, 2015, 12:11:45 AM »
OMG I cant believe I'm still ploughing through these WS's it must be connected to my OCD  8)><(

In the following WS JM states she was mistaken about Douglas Dale taking the circa 3.15am call she answered it herself.  It was DD who answered the circa 5.40am call.

I guess those who believe JB guilty and JM told the truth the whole truth and nothing but thats ok if she was mistaken?  Yet if JB is mistaken with whether he called JM or EP first that is somehow indicative of guilt?  Lol

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=286.0;attach=1152

She seems to refer to JB as Jeremy in all her WS's other than those I've pointed out above and the following where she refers to JB as Jerry and Jeremy.  This does strike me as a little odd.  I wonder if DS Jones referred to JB as Jerry?  &%+((£

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=285.msg4963#msg4963
Ah, OK so Dale answered the 5.40 call not the one at 3.02 or whenever it was.   Then my theory is still intact.   Thanks HG.   You have your uses after all.   You will soon be getting the idea about how this went down.   Just remember - that call to Julie's place was a key part of the plan.   

This is going well:  I have a theory that correctly predicted Jereny owned an answerphone and that the 3:02 call was answered by Julie.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Did Bamber call Witham police station ?
« Reply #68 on: September 28, 2015, 12:46:07 PM »
Ah, OK so Dale answered the 5.40 call not the one at 3.02 or whenever it was.   Then my theory is still intact.   Thanks HG.   You have your uses after all.   You will soon be getting the idea about how this went down.   Just remember - that call to Julie's place was a key part of the plan.   

This is going well:  I have a theory that correctly predicted Jereny owned an answerphone and that the 3:02 call was answered by Julie.

Oh do stop being cryptic al.  If you have a theory pray tell or keep quiet until you are in a position to 'enligten' us with your insights  8((()*/
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline anglolawyer

Re: Did Bamber call Witham police station ?
« Reply #69 on: September 28, 2015, 01:23:07 PM »
Oh do stop being cryptic al.  If you have a theory pray tell or keep quiet until you are in a position to 'enligten' us with your insights  8((()*/
I thought I explained my theory already.   Maybe that was on another board.   Well, here it is again.   Still a work in progress but:

1 he murdered everybody
2 he called his own number from WHF at 3.00 a.m. a pre-agreed time with Julie
3 he hung up once the answer phone kicked in, thus ensuring, as he thought, BT would have a record of the call
4 he called Julie's number a minute or two later, again by prior arrangement
5 he interrupted the call before it was answered so BT would not have a trace of it
6 he went home
7 Julie (this is part of their plan) went into SB's room to discuss the call she had not, in fact, answered
8 SB noted the time on her clock as being 3.12, adjusted to 3.02, which fits perfectly with point 4 above.   I bet Julie said something seemingly innocent about the time to cause SB to notice it
9 JB cycles home like crazy, takes a quick shower, discarding his clothes and towels somewhere with a view to permanent disposal later
10 JB calls Witham/Wickham Bishop and then Chelmsford having some time beforehand, when preparing the crime, circled the number(s) in the phone book (this is a prediction based on a combination of (i) faint recollection of reading that he did that and (ii) an appreciation of his scheme)
11 he has a private meeting with Julie when she showed up in the morning in order to agree some aspect of their stories (e.g. whether he called her before the police or after)

It all fits.   Case closed.

Offline adam

Re: Did Bamber call Witham police station ?
« Reply #70 on: September 10, 2016, 02:03:14 PM »
Thanks to David, it has not been confirmed Chelmsford was actually the 5th furthest away police station.

Scipio says on page 1 Bamber must have phoned Witham at the same time no one was manning the phones. While Chelmsford phoned them a few minutes later when there was someone there. 

However that still doesn't explain why Bamber changed his story.

Offline John

Re: Did Bamber call Witham police station ?
« Reply #71 on: September 10, 2016, 03:47:55 PM »
Thanks to David, it has not been confirmed Chelmsford was actually the 5th furthest away police station.

Scipio says on page 1 Bamber must have phoned Witham at the same time no one was manning the phones. While Chelmsford phoned them a few minutes later when there was someone there. 

However that still doesn't explain why Bamber changed his story.

Just to clarify for readers:

From my own recollection of the various police statements, Witham Police Station was unmanned at the time (about 3.15am) Jeremy claimed to have called them.  I think he stated that he simply got no reply so got the phone book to look up Chelmsford instead.

Jeremy certainly telephoned Chelmsford and spoke with PC West who kept him waiting on the line while he (PC West) contacted police civilian operator Malcolm Bonnett in the Chelmsford Control Room. Bonnet for his part did make contact with an officer from Witham on his personal radio link.  They (Witham officers) were then tasked to the alleged disturbance at WHF.

I think it is reasonable to conclude that Jeremy did call Witham since he was not to know whether any personnel were on duty there.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2016, 03:51:52 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline adam

Re: Did Bamber call Witham police station ?
« Reply #72 on: September 10, 2016, 03:59:39 PM »
Just to clarify for readers:

From my own recollection of the various police statements, Witham Police Station was unmanned at the time (about 3.15am) Jeremy claimed to have called them.  I think he stated that he simply got no reply so got the phone book to look up Chelmsford instead.

Jeremy certainly telephoned Chelmsford and spoke with PC West who kept him waiting on the line while he (PC West) contacted police civilian operator Malcolm Bonnett in the Chelmsford Control Room. Bonnet for his part did make contact with an officer from Witham on his personal radio link.  They (Witham officers) were then tasked to the alleged disturbance at WHF.

Why did Bamber testify he didn't phone Witham -

" On oath at the trial, he denied trying to telephone the police at Witham before calling Chelmsford. Two officers to whom he spoke to on the night swore that Bamber told them he had tried to phone Witham".

Offline adam

Re: Did Bamber call Witham police station ?
« Reply #73 on: September 10, 2016, 04:16:23 PM »
The judges summing up was over two days. There is no way the whole transcript will be online.

Offline John

Re: Did Bamber call Witham police station ?
« Reply #74 on: September 10, 2016, 04:23:13 PM »
The judges summing up was over two days. There is no way the whole transcript will be online.

We appear to have pages 1 and 95 - 108.  The rest of it seems to have been withheld by supporters.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=273.msg4561#msg4561
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.