Did this finding get followed up by the PJ?

[Robittybob1]

This article backs up what Misty said earlier.  I have never tried accessing the Waybackmachine

http://whathappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.com/2013/06/

"Peribañez interviews the ‘Jensen sisters’

An article by ‘Blackwatch’ on the old ‘Sargent’s Inn’ blog also refers to Peribañez; this time he’s interviewing the Jensen sisters, along with his co-worker Gary Hagland. Here’s an extract from Blackwatch’s article: “Playing Doubles: Jayne Jensen, Annie Wiltshire and the Missing Police Statements” (Author Blackwatch (of 17/04/2011 @ 14:09:49, in Business Environments, viewed 1057 times, extracted from waybackmachine)

QUOTE

Concluding a fresh look at some of the key witnesses in the case, I thought I'd flag up the account provided by Maidstone sisters, Jayne Marie Jensen and Annie Wiltshire.

The two sisters hit the headlines in the last week of December 2007 when the Daily Mail  claimed that the pair had seen Robert Murat outside the apartment on the night of Madeleine's disappearance, contradicting Murat's claim that he was at home at this time with his mother. Their claims can be broken down into these basic points:

they allege they saw Robert Murat near the apartment complex at about 10.30pm, some 30 minutes after Kate McCann raised the alarm.
that Robert acted as their translator in their initial interviews with Police.
that although being interviewed by Police three times during those first few days, they were not asked to provide a formal statement until six months later when they spoke to Kent Police for 11 hours and also Gary Hagland and Julián Peribañez of Metodo 3.
that they were in the same daily tennis coaching group as Mr McCann.
that Robert had joined them briefly at their table on the night of May 4th to enquire if they had remembered anything else.

 

They also claimed to have seen two blond men earlier in the day Madeleine was reported missing.

The Daily Telegraph and Sky News both repeated the claims in subsequent days, the Daily Telegraph attempting to play down the claims of the sisters by suggesting that the police's failure to interview the pair had arisen as a result of them staying in another apartment block. But it's not a persuasive argument by any means. Several witnesses asked to provide formal statements were staying in different apartment blocks, including Neil Berry (in Block 6 across the road), Rajinder Balu and Jeremy Wilkins. Berry and Balu even mention having drinks with the two sisters Jayne and Annie in each of their respective statements.

And here's something else I don't understand; Neil Berry made THREE statements in all. He refers to two of the earlier statements in his final statement dated April 23rd 2008. However, both his May 7th 2007 and  January 8th 2008 statements are missing from the final police files.

Secondly, the statements that Jensen and Wiltshire claim to have provided to DC Jo Godfrey and DC Bob Sidoli of Kent Police at the end of an eleven hour interview in October 2007 are also missing from the files.

Neil Berry was later asked to supply a buccal swab in response to a witness account that placed him in the stairwell of apartment 5A on the night of May 3rd. The account - provided in September 2007 by an Ocean Club employee - was subsequently transformed into a sensational exclusive for The Daily Mirror on September 29th: 'New Madeleine suspect seen in stairwell’…

UNQUOTE

Much more could be written about evidence given by Jayne Jensen and Annie Wiltshire. And what we are not told here or in any other newspaper account  is whether  Gary Hagland and Julián Peribañez interviewed the Jensen sisters before or after they gave their 11-hour account to Kent Police. I suspect very much that it was before."

[Robittybob1]

This is interesting about the DNA swabs taken from Berry and Balu.  (Sometimes I get the feeling Berry was treated as a suspect yet he is not named as an arguido, yet he gets questioned quite severely.)

From the comments appended to the article: "Doughnut23 Nov 2010, 11:28:00"

"Yes Raj Balu is the owner of Cooper Tuff - the immigration law firm.

He is the Barrister who backed up the claims of Jayne Jensen and her sister Annie Wiltshire. I've been in touch with Jayne and she confirms this.

Swabs were taken because an Ocean Club employee said they saw Neil Berry in the stairwell of apartment 5a. Berry was the British man in the stairwell reported by the Daily Mirror.

Jensen, her sister, Raj and Berry dined and drank together on occasions.

I'm still trying to get confirmation on why Jensen and Wiltshire's holiday stay was extended from 21st april - 05th of may to 21st april - 12th may somewhere between 2nd and 3rd May.

The Ocean Club guest list on May 01st shows them down as staying from april 21 - may 5 but changes on may 3rd.

It's in the police files volume 3. page 615.

Jayne and Anne are also down as playing tennis on the same courts as gerry on the afternoon of may 3rd (police files, volume 3, page 658.

They stayed in the apartment block next door to 5a - overlooking the courts and tapas bar.

raj is here:
https://www.jordanwatch.co.uk/reports/Process?formAction=DirectorCompany&dirNo=D11393631

[Robittybob1]

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2008/11/madeleine-mccann-symington-family.html

I do feel there is some truth to that Robert Murat and Angus Symington do look alike.

[Robittybob1]

OK how do I think all of these could interrelate with each other?

The cleaning day in apartment block 5 appears to have been Wednesday.
The laundry man and cleaners don't specify which apartment block they were attending on Thursday so it could well be Block 4G.

If a kid was smothered by a bag of laundry on the 3rd in Block 4G it could have been found by someone just prior to when Jane Tanner saw a man carrying a young child around 9:10 PM.

If OC reception were made aware of the missing child, the owners of OC could have been made aware hence the hints of an earlier call out.

Angus Symington could have turned up and be seen around OC and the people who don't know him confuse him with Robert Murat.
For reasons of parent confidentiality the identity of the smothered child is kept secret.

That is all possible and based on many loose ends in the file.  It has never been explained why Crossland owner of the OC was rung by John Hill before John Hill says he knew about the McCann incident.  ****

Maybe this is why Berry and Balu possibly seen in lurking in the G5 staircase becomes enough for them to be treated as a potential suspects and have DNA swabs taken.  Berry mentions the G4 stairs in his statement.

[misty]

OK how do I think all of these could interrelate with each other?

The cleaning day in apartment block 5 appears to have been Wednesday.
The laundry man and cleaners don't specify which apartment block they were attending on Thursday so it could well be Block 4G.

If a kid was smothered by a bag of laundry on the 3rd in Block 4G it could have been found by someone just prior to when Jane Tanner saw a man carrying a young child around 9:10 PM.

If OC reception were made aware of the missing child, the owners of OC could have been made aware hence the hints of an earlier call out.

Angus Symington could have turned up and be seen around OC and the people who don't know him confuse him with Robert Murat.
For reasons of parent confidentiality the identity of the smothered child is kept secret.

That is all possible and based on many loose ends in the file.  It has never been explained why Crossland owner of the OC was rung by John Hill before John Hill says he knew about the McCann incident.  ****

Maybe this is why Berry and Balu possibly seen in lurking in the G5 staircase becomes enough for them to be treated as a potential suspects and have DNA swabs taken.  Berry mentions the G4 stairs in his statement.

Who was collecting laundry after 9pm on May 3rd?

[Robittybob1]

Who was collecting laundry after 9pm on May 3rd?

There was an admission that they pick laundry up till 8:00 PM  OK knowing how things work I could imagine some days would fall outside of that time as well.  There isn't a tight schedule, for everyone has gone home.  That's how I see it  IMO.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-witness-saw-weird-1918572
"Madeleine McCann: Witness saw 'weird' stranger lurking near apartment"

"He said: “I was at my last collection point near the girl’s flat. I was always rushing. I’d park the van any-where.

"It was 7.30pm to 8pm. When cleaners cleared sheets they dropped them down the hole in the stairs to be collected by me at the bottom.

“When I walked down and turned into the hole to get the laundry, I saw the weird guy and we nearly bumped into each other. He was embarrassed. He looked nervous.

[Robittybob1]

The nearest for a precedence is "Baby smothered under laundry"  https://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/local/baby-smothered-under-laundry/article_6b1eb1a0-91a3-11e8-9b47-f7afd0a316db.html

[Robittybob1]

Talk about being doorstepped, I wonder why all the reporters are pestering Mario Marreiros the laundryman?  Can anyone work out when this photo was taken?


6 years earlier than this photo.


He didn't change much in 6 years!  I think I might have that all wrong  For the article associated with the top photo dated  29 MAY 2013

[Robittybob1]

SIL on Neil Berry, 
"He thinks his apartment was 4G. {It was 606. Apartment 4G became famous as the McCanns resided there from 4 May 2007 to 2 or 3 Jul 2007.}  https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/tag/annie-wiltshire/

G4 G  was empty on the night of the 3rd May 2007 so Emma  Knight was able to move the McCanns in there once G5A was treated as a crime scene.

[Robittybob1]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504950/British-witnesses-We-saw-blond-men-balcony-Madeleine-apartment.html covers the Annie Wiltshire and Jane Jensen saga the best.

[Robittybob1]

"Topic: Police seeking couple who entered McCann Apt to comfort crying Madeleine" http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1596.msg47471#msg47471
Now that is an interesting read. 

[Robittybob1]

Who could have possibly lost a child in Apartment block G4?

I looked at the booking sheets today and there didn't seem to be that many over there.
Best place to see a list of guests is http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS_BOOKING.htm#a3p615

G4B Beverley Carruthers no kids.
G4 J  Jayne Jensen  2 adults  other person is Annie Wiltshire.  No kids.
G4 O Bridget O'Donnell and Jeremy Wilkins  2 kids.
G4 M Julian Totman On the sheet it has 4 adults but I think they had two kids with them. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/T/03_VOLUME%20_IIa_Page_618.jpg

G4 L Jeni Weinburger 3 adults and 1 child.
G4 N Naylor  Owner booking  2 adults no kids.

Have I missed any?

[Brietta]

Talk about being doorstepped, I wonder why all the reporters are pestering Mario Marreiros the laundryman?  Can anyone work out when this photo was taken?


6 years earlier than this photo.


He didn't change much in 6 years!  I think I might have that all wrong  For the article associated with the top photo dated  29 MAY 2013

By GERARD COUZENS IN FARO, PORTUGAL and JAY AKBAR FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 12:46, 9 December 2014

Police also questioned a former laundryman at the Ocean Club holiday resort where Madeleine was staying at when she vanished.

Mario Marreiros, 48, revealed last year how he told police about a man wearing sunglasses lurking in a stairwell near Madeleine McCann's apartment just 24 hours before she vanished.

The man who claimed he had never spoken to British police told a newspaper: 'My theory is that guy must have been involved, either in the kidnapping or studying what to do - their movements.

'He was there for something, for sure.'

The potential suspect, later identified by the ex-Ocean Club worker, is also understood to have been ruled out of the Madeleine McCann inquiry after turning out to be a tourist.

Scotland Yard detectives arrived in Portugal this morning to oversee the fresh round of interviews over her disappearance.

Seven of the men and women due to be questioned have been described as people of 'high interest' to the Madeleine McCann probe.

Four others thought to be of lesser importance include a former British suspect, Robert Murat, and his wife.

Mr Murat's lawyer confirmed he has been asked to attend Faro Police station as a witness, along with Michaela Walczuch. The pair are due to arrive tomorrow morning at around 9.30am for questioning.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2866881/11-people-quizzed-Madeleine-McCann-disappearance-include-Robert-Murat-cleared-wrongdoing-wife.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

[Robittybob1]

Who could have possibly lost a child in Apartment block G4?

I looked at the booking sheets today and there didn't seem to be that many over there.
Best place to see a list of guests is http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS_BOOKING.htm#a3p615

G4B Beverley Carruthers no kids.
G4 J  Jayne Jensen  2 adults  other person is Annie Wiltshire.  No kids.
G4 O Bridget O'Donnell and Jeremy Wilkins  2 kids.
G4 M Julian Totman On the sheet it has 4 adults but I think they had two kids with them. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/T/03_VOLUME%20_IIa_Page_618.jpg

G4 L Jeni Weinburger 3 adults and 1 child.
G4 N Naylor  Owner booking  2 adults no kids.

Have I missed any?

We should cross reference that with the Creche sheets and the other arrivals sheets to see if there is a family that we have missed.
This is only the "Mark Warner" arrivals, and hence not as comprehensive as the Tapas Booking sheet  for a list of names.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARRIVALS.htm
Arrivals sheets:
Mr N Berry,
Mrs E Berry,
Miss J Berry(4), Infant G Berry(14m
Mr G MacKenzie, Mrs C MacKenzie,
Infant C MacKenzie(18m).................Gatwick
Mr M Handy,
Mrs G Downie,
Miss I Handy(2)

Mr R Mann,
Mrs L Mann,
 Master A Mann(3).........................................Gatwick
Mr R Balu, Miss N Cox, Infant Z Balu(17m)
Mr A Heselton,
Mrs S Heselton,
Miss K Heselton(2)...............................Gatwick

Mr T Patel, Mrs S Patel, Miss T Patel(4), Infant K Patel(11m)..................Gatwick
Mr J Totman, Mrs R Totman, Master W Totman(4),
Miss L Totman(3)
Mr C Reap, Mrs J Reap, Miss H Reap(3)
Ms N Irwin, Ms B Irwin.................................................Gatwick


Mr A Hynd, Mrs L Hynd, Mrs G Hynd, Miss G Hynd(6), Master A Hynd(2)...Gatwick
Mr A Taylor, Mrs S Northwood, Master J Taylor(3)................................Gatwick
Mrs B O'Donnell, Mr A Wilkins, Miss O (3), Inf A (8months)......................Gatwick
Mr C Burlton, Mrs C Upton-Brown, Infant G Burlton(13m)........................Gatwick
Mr M Janczur, Mrs M Janczur, Master A Janczur(2), Infant ??????(7m)


Mr P Clifford, Mrs A Clifford, Mr A Clifford(17), Miss A Clifford(12).............Gatwick
Mr S Carpenter, Mrs C Carpenter, Miss I Carpenter(3), Infant E/F(?)(4m)....Gatwick
Mr W Thornhill, Mrs S Thornhill, Infant J Thornhill(7m)
Mr P Weinburger, Mrs J Weinburger, Miss E Weinburger(3), Infant T (11m)
Mr M Newman, Mrs H Newman....................Gatwick

Guest List 6..p339
Mr P Edmonds,
Master H Edmonds(6),
Master J Edmonds(7),
Master S (8)....Gatwick
Mr N Foster,
Mrs S Foster, Miss E Foster(3)...........Gatwick
Mr M Sperrey, Mrs C Sperrey
Mr C Brain,
Dr L Hume..........Gatwick

Guest List 7..p340

Mr R Naylor, Mrs A Naylor,
Miss E Naylor(3), Infant C Naylor(11m)
Mr A Mills, Mrs J Mills, Miss L Mills(3)
Mr D McCormick, Mrs S McCormick, Master M McCormick(2)
Mr M Carroll, Ms D Bullen, Master O Carroll(2)

Now we need to see if we can find a room allocated to each of these.

[Robittybob1]

I see one set of names on there that has caused issues right through, namely  "Mr M Sperrey, Mrs C Sperrey"
The person with the dreadlocks or torches, the person Jez has issues with, the person who was on the  Tapas booking sheet, booked in after the Tapas 9, but no one sees these two in the restaurant, the person the PJ see and take a copy of their passport but doesn't have evidence of an interview or a statement.

Only positive is that on the arrivals list they arrive without children, so no matter where they end up apartment allocation wise  it seems unlikely it was them that lost a child.

PS :
False alarm Sperrey is noted on the next sheet http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/T/03_VOLUME%20_IIa_Page_618.jpg  allocated FP 05  (I had noted that earlier IIRC)
What is interesting is that the name "Mark Warner.Co.UK" has been redacted and is barely visible.