Did this finding get followed up by the PJ?

[pathfinder73]

Not unsurprising really.

Very surprising when the last witness revealed two exact times. Nowhere to be seen on those timelines 

[Robittybob1]

Very surprising when the last witness revealed two exact times on 10 May 2007. Nowhere to be seen on those timelines 

Are you referring to Matt or to Russell?

[pathfinder73]

The last witness Gerry.

22:03 10 May

"It being 22:03, he turned to alert KATE that it was time for her to go to see the children."

21:04 7 Sep

"When asked about the time he went to check the children on the night of Madeleine's disappearance, he states remembering that he did it, according to his watch, around 21:04."

21:15 doesn't tally 

[Robittybob1]

Do you think both versions are drawn up by different people?  I do as the hand writing is different.

If you agree who do you think wrote each version?  With the bit about Matt checking the three rooms on the second one, I tend to think that is Matt's version rather than Gerry's even though it has the word "Gerald" printed on it. 
Why would Gerry write Gerald on it?

[Sunny]

Do you think both versions are drawn up by different people?  I do as the hand writing is different.

If you agree who do you think wrote each version?  With the bit about Matt checking the three rooms on the second one, I tend to think that is Matt's version rather than Gerry's even though it has the word "Gerald" printed on it. 
Why would Gerry write Gerald on it?

On the first one Rob, his name is down as "Jerry" so clearly  Gerry didn't write that one.

[Robittybob1]

On the first one Rob, his name is down as "Jerry" so clearly  Gerry didn't write that one.

That is very good analysis there Sunny, thank you.  Can you make any other observations about them?

[Sunny]

That is very good analysis there Sunny, thank you.  Can you make any other observations about them?

Thanks, I will have another look in the morning Rob but I did wonder why they needed to mention that Russell O'Brien was in 5d with a poorly daughter on the second one.

[Robittybob1]

Thanks, I will have another look in the morning Rob but I did wonder why they needed to mention that Russell O'Brien was in 5d with a poorly daughter on the second one.

Only Matt and Russell would be aware of that according to the statements.

[Sunny]

Only Matt and Russell would be aware of that according to the statements.

Well that shows a couple of glaring differences from the second timeline to Matthew Oldfield's statement.

Timeline 2 has Matt Oldfield listens at all 3 windows 5A B D ALL shutters down yet in his statement he claims to have entered 5A and no mention that all shutters were down, in fact he appears to me to imply that one was at least slightly open

His statement 4th of May has

At around 9.25pm, the interviewee went into his apartment and Madeleine's apartment to check on the children. He states that the door of the bedroom that was occupied by Madeleine and the twins, was open and that there was enough light in the bedroom for him to see the twins in their cots. That he couldn't see the bed occupied by Madeleine, but as it was all quiet, he deduced that she was sleeping. That the light was not from an artificial source inside the apartment, but perhaps something coming from outside through the bedroom window. That it seemed to him that the shutters of the Master' bedroom window were open without knowing if the window was also open.

If he exited back through the patio doors on his way to check the other apartments would he have walked past the window where the children were sleeping and seen the shutter?

[Robittybob1]

Well that shows a couple of glaring differences from the second timeline to Matthew Oldfield's statement.

Timeline 2 has Matt Oldfield listens at all 3 windows 5A B D ALL shutters down yet in his statement he claims to have entered 5A and no mention that all shutters were down, in fact he appears to me to imply that one was at least slightly open

His statement 4th of May has

At around 9.25pm, the interviewee went into his apartment and Madeleine's apartment to check on the children. He states that the door of the bedroom that was occupied by Madeleine and the twins, was open and that there was enough light in the bedroom for him to see the twins in their cots. That he couldn't see the bed occupied by Madeleine, but as it was all quiet, he deduced that she was sleeping. That the light was not from an artificial source inside the apartment, but perhaps something coming from outside through the bedroom window. That it seemed to him that the shutters of the Master' bedroom window were open without knowing if the window was also open.

If he exited back through the patio doors on his way to check the other apartments would he have walked past the window where the children were sleeping and seen the shutter?

You seem a little confused by the fact that he did two checks one at  9:00 and the other at 9:30 and things change between the checks.

"If he exited back through the patio doors on his way to check the other apartments would he have walked past the window where the children were sleeping and seen the shutter?"  No they are on opposite sides of the building.

[Sunny]

You seem a little confused by the fact that he did two checks one at  9:00 and the other at 9:30 and things change between the checks.

"If he exited back through the patio doors on his way to check the other apartments would he have walked past the window where the children were sleeping and seen the shutter?"  No they are on opposite sides of the building.

I see his second checking of the McCanns children is not on the second timeline.

Surely if he was walking from the tapas towards his own flat via the McCanns flat and checked on their children he would have walked around 2 sides of it so would see if shutters were up or down IMO

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/sitebuilderpictures/notwtheflat.jpg

[Robittybob1]

I see his second checking of the McCanns children is not on the second timeline.

Surely if he was walking from the tapas towards his own flat via the McCanns flat and checked on their children he would have walked around 2 sides of it so would see if shutters were up or down IMO

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/sitebuilderpictures/notwtheflat.jpg

Matt and Russell walk together and check their kids first.  Then later Matt checks the McCanns kids on the way back after going through Russell's apartment and along the lane.  So he doesn't actually see the window concerned.  All IMO after a whole thread on the topic a while back.

[Sunny]

Matt and Russell walk together and check their kids first.  Then later Matt checks the McCanns kids on the way back after going through Russell's apartment and along the lane.  So he doesn't actually see the window concerned.  All IMO after a whole thread on the topic a while back.

I will have a look in a bit for that Rob but I have to go out

I have just seen this which is strange

From Gerry McCanns statement, Mathew says it is "all calm"

Following on, he returned to the TAPAS between 21h10 and 21h15 the dinner having gone as normal. As the movement of people at the table was frequent he does not know if, when he returned, anyone else was absent, namely JANE. At 21h30 he drew KATE'S attention to the fact that it was time for her to go to see the children, MATHEW having immediately volunteered to substitute given that she was talking. Three to four minutes later MATHEW returned saying only "it is all calm", he having entered by the rear door, given that he did not have the key and it was usual for them to enter in that way.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm
Mathew said
That after this check, he returned to the restaurant, saying that all the children were asleep. However, Gerry, Madeleine's father, went to the area of the apartments to check for himself if the children were asleep. That Gerry would have entered  into his apartment and that he checked to make sure that Madeleine and the twins were sleeping in their bedroom, where it was quite dark. The bedroom door was left ajar. That five minutes later, Gerry came back to the group in the restaurant.

In answer to a question from the inspector, the interviewee says that Gerry will have gone to check at that time because he will not have heard the witness say that he had been there.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD.htm


So why would Gerry check on the children just after Mathew had come back from checking on the children. Gerry heard Matthew say "it is all calm" yet still went to check on them.

[G-Unit]

I will have a look in a bit for that Rob but I have to go out

I have just seen this which is strange

From Gerry McCanns statement, Mathew says it is "all calm"

Following on, he returned to the TAPAS between 21h10 and 21h15 the dinner having gone as normal. As the movement of people at the table was frequent he does not know if, when he returned, anyone else was absent, namely JANE. At 21h30 he drew KATE'S attention to the fact that it was time for her to go to see the children, MATHEW having immediately volunteered to substitute given that she was talking. Three to four minutes later MATHEW returned saying only "it is all calm", he having entered by the rear door, given that he did not have the key and it was usual for them to enter in that way.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

Mathew said
That after this check, he returned to the restaurant, saying that all the children were asleep. However, Gerry, Madeleine's father, went to the area of the apartments to check for himself if the children were asleep. That Gerry would have entered  into his apartment and that he checked to make sure that Madeleine and the twins were sleeping in their bedroom, where it was quite dark. The bedroom door was left ajar. That five minutes later, Gerry came back to the group in the restaurant.

In answer to a question from the inspector, the interviewee says that Gerry will have gone to check at that time because he will not have heard the witness say that he had been there.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD.htm

So why would Gerry check on the children just after Mathew had come back from checking on the children. Gerry heard Matthew say "it is all calm" yet still went to check on them.

Gerry went to check immediately after Matthew at 9.05.
He didn't go after Matthew's check at 9.30.

[Brietta]

Is there any chance that members might consider adding the address where quotations are taken from and can be found?  It will cut down considerably on constant requests for cites which seems to be controlling the forum at the moment for the simple reason they are not being included as a matter of course in the first instance.