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Offline Eleanor

Re: Does Madeleine have the right to be found?
« Reply #450 on: September 02, 2018, 02:03:06 PM »

To add to my Theory, I believe that it is possible that Madeleine could be living under the legal passport of another child of the same age who had been lost to her parents.
It would be quite difficult to prove this without DNA which cannot be obtained as easily as some think.

But it is possible that The Police, whether Operation Grange or The Portuguese Investigation have considered this and tracked her down.

The SAS would be hardly likely to snatch Madeleine when she will be 16 next year and choose for herself as to whether or not she wishes to give a DNA sample.

All In My Opinion.

Offline Snowgirl

Re: Does Madeleine have the right to be found?
« Reply #451 on: September 02, 2018, 02:12:55 PM »
To add to my Theory, I believe that it is possible that Madeleine could be living under the legal passport of another child of the same age who had been lost to her parents.
It would be quite difficult to prove this without DNA which cannot be obtained as easily as some think.

But it is possible that The Police, whether Operation Grange or The Portuguese Investigation have considered this and tracked her down.

The SAS would be hardly likely to snatch Madeleine when she will be 16 next year and choose for herself as to whether or not she wishes to give a DNA sample.

All In My Opinion.
I thought you said earlier that you wouldn’t expand on what you said in case it was construed as libel ?
Now you’re confusing matters by yet another suggestion that she could be living under an assumed name of another girl lost to her parents ,a child who would have to have exactly the same birthdate  ?
Now you’re stretching things beyond possible  in my opinion.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Does Madeleine have the right to be found?
« Reply #452 on: September 02, 2018, 02:17:45 PM »
I thought you said earlier that you wouldn’t expand on what you said in case it was construed as libel ?
Now you’re confusing matters by yet another suggestion that she could be living under an assumed name of another girl lost to her parents ,a child who would have to have exactly the same birthdate  ?
Now you’re stretching things beyond possible  in my opinion.

It's all opinion... Suggesting maddue died in an accident... Etc.. Etc.. Is stretching things beyond reason.. Imo

Offline Eleanor

Re: Does Madeleine have the right to be found?
« Reply #453 on: September 02, 2018, 02:22:48 PM »
I thought you said earlier that you wouldn’t expand on what you said in case it was construed as libel ?
Now you’re confusing matters by yet another suggestion that she could be living under an assumed name of another girl lost to her parents ,a child who would have to have exactly the same birthdate  ?
Now you’re stretching things beyond possible  in my opinion.

The exact birthdate wouldn't be necessary, only the approximate age.  You should be able to see that.

In following my Theory through I did have to make some sense of how this could be accomplished, which I have.   Now that could be Libellous.  And so I do have to have a care.

You, of course are entitled to your opinion.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Does Madeleine have the right to be found?
« Reply #454 on: September 02, 2018, 02:32:58 PM »
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One of my favourite films. There was a sustained effort by others to stop me from seeing it by those who think they know what's best for everyone else. They thought it was blasphemous, but it wasn't, just like Mrs Leyland's tweets weren't criminal offenses.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Does Madeleine have the right to be found?
« Reply #455 on: September 02, 2018, 02:36:08 PM »
So you are using the absence of evidence argument... Which as I remember you vehemently  opposed when I raised it

No I'm not.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Does Madeleine have the right to be found?
« Reply #456 on: September 02, 2018, 02:41:24 PM »
No I'm not.

Is that wishful thinking? I've seen nothing to suggest that possibility.


are you suggesting the fact youve seen no evidence means it isnt true......thats an absence of evidence argument

Offline Brietta

Re: Does Madeleine have the right to be found?
« Reply #457 on: September 02, 2018, 02:46:43 PM »
Snip
A Scotland Yard spokesperson said:  “You couldn’t get a more emotive case than this and there is still work left to do.

"We asked for more funding for a final line of inquiry that is still being investigated.

"We can never say how close we really are for operational reasons, which could alert a suspect we are closing in.

“But a request for more money would never have been made if there was nothing left to chase.

“We are grateful to the Home Office for approving our special grant request but we are not divulging how much we have been given.”
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Kate and Gerry hit back after a top ex-cop said solving the Madeleine riddle was “almost impossible” and the parents of two missing children slammed the Government for handing over more money for the high-profile hunt.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5962857/madeleine-mccanns-parents-kate-and-gerry-hit-back-at-critics-of-new-met-police-cash-to-track-down-missing-girl/

A close pal of the couple said: “Kate and Gerry do not feel their daughter’s case should be given any more priority than any other missing child but there is an active police investigation ongoing and officers still feel there is important work left to be done.

“It’s not helpful and is very hurtful for retired police officers and in the past so called crime experts and other families to say the investigation should be wound up and is a waste of public money.

“Kate and Gerry believe there is a chance their daughter could still be found alive, as detectives do.

“They have enough to deal with and don’t need people with no idea about the case being armchair detectives and hopes the criticism stops.

“It undermines the work of one of the best police forces in the world.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6056658/madeleine-mccann-cash-grant-150000-amber-rudd-secret-public-backlash/



That was the situation in April this year ... seems clear enough to me that the police know exactly what they are about.

Sadly I believe there are those who may be less than happy with that and less than happy that it might be possible for Madeleine to be found.

I don't find it outwith the bounds of probability that SY and the PJ are hand in glove on this.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Snowgirl

Re: Does Madeleine have the right to be found?
« Reply #458 on: September 02, 2018, 02:56:09 PM »
The exact birthdate wouldn't be necessary, only the approximate age.  You should be able to see that.

In following my Theory through I did have to make some sense of how this could be accomplished, which I have.   Now that could be Libellous.  And so I do have to have a care.

You, of course are entitled to your opinion.
  Ok point taken .
The thing is  there would have to be an opening already in place  and more than just one person would have to be involved in knowing about it  and searching  for such a child ?
It makes no sense  that Madeleine would have been taken to live under  the name of another lost child  in my opinion .
What would be the odds of such a child being on holiday ready to supply that need  *%6^





Offline G-Unit

Re: Does Madeleine have the right to be found?
« Reply #459 on: September 02, 2018, 03:04:28 PM »
Is that wishful thinking? I've seen nothing to suggest that possibility.


are you suggesting the fact youve seen no evidence means it isnt true......thats an absence of evidence argument

Operation Grange may have an undercover policemen living next door to the McCanns and observing their every move too. There's no evidence that they have, but who knows.....................
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Does Madeleine have the right to be found?
« Reply #460 on: September 02, 2018, 03:04:35 PM »
  Ok point taken .
The thing is  there would have to be an opening already in place  and more than just one person would have to be involved in knowing about it  and searching  for such a child ?
It makes no sense  that Madeleine would have been taken to live under  the name of another lost child  in my opinion .
What would be the odds of such a child being on holiday ready to supply that need  *%6^

It depends on how long someone would be prepared to wait for such a child.  People have been known to abduct a child to replace one that they lost.

Of course it would take more than one person to facilitate this.  But again, into the realms of Libel.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Does Madeleine have the right to be found?
« Reply #461 on: September 02, 2018, 03:05:55 PM »
Operation Grange may have an undercover policemen living next door to the McCanns and observing their every move too. There's no evidence that they have, but who knows.....................

thats the absence of evidence argument..the argument would suggest taht as there is no evidence,,...it probably isnt true

Offline Snowgirl

Re: Does Madeleine have the right to be found?
« Reply #462 on: September 02, 2018, 03:09:31 PM »
It depends on how long someone would be prepared to wait for such a child.  People have been known to abduct a child to replace one that they lost.

Of course it would take more than one person to facilitate this.  But again, into the realms of Libel.
People just hanging around every place under the sun just looking out for a replacement child  ? Now that’s beyond  realistic  in my opinion . Have you an example to back up your comment that people have been known to abduct a child to replace one they had lost ?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Does Madeleine have the right to be found?
« Reply #463 on: September 02, 2018, 03:09:52 PM »
  Ok point taken .
The thing is  there would have to be an opening already in place  and more than just one person would have to be involved in knowing about it  and searching  for such a child ?
It makes no sense  that Madeleine would have been taken to live under  the name of another lost child  in my opinion .
What would be the odds of such a child being on holiday ready to supply that need  *%6^

I think there would have been easier targets to satisfy such a need.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Does Madeleine have the right to be found?
« Reply #464 on: September 02, 2018, 03:19:08 PM »
People just hanging around every place under the sun just looking out for a replacement child  ? Now that’s beyond  realistic  in my opinion . Have you an example to back up your comment that people have been known to abduct a child to replace one they had lost ?

Sorry.  If you have been following World News about Child Abduction you would know this.

Probably not hanging about all over the place.  Just waiting for an opportunity should it arise.  Maybe even spur of the moment..
My entire Theory is actually quite simple, but contains too much possible Libel.