Why does the Maddie case continue to attract so much passion?

[Brietta]

I've shown that gunit.. A leading sceptic... Does not understand  what grime had said... Point proven

I think that is unequivocal ... and why Madeleine's case demonstrates that a little knowledge and with the wording altered slightly from that recorded is a dangerous thing.  In my opinion, it also demonstrates why you, Davel, are considered to be dangerous by some:)

[G-Unit]

I've shown that gunit.. A leading sceptic... Does not understand  what grime had said... Point proven

It obviously means a lot to you to think you have proved a 'leading sceptic' wrong. I disagree though. In my opinion you have not proved your point.

[ShiningInLuz]

It obviously means a lot to you to think you have proved a 'leading sceptic' wrong. I disagree though. In my opinion you have not proved your point.

Seconded.

[Robittybob1]

Seconded.

I disagree

[Brietta]

I disagree

Me too.

Following the link provided by VS http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9242.60 and reading down the posts, in my opinion make Davel's assertion one of the most verified I have ever been witness to.

[slartibartfast]

the dogs just barked again

That’s nice.

[slartibartfast]

Seconded.

I agree especially when Davel’s original claim #67 was that G-unit said cadaver not cadaver odour..

lol...IMO you are the one who posted that grime stated that the the alert by eddie was suggestive of cadaver...which was untrue...and imo....on making that post...which was false...you lost all credibility

IMO, Davel realised his mistake, especially when he couldn’t find a post supporting his statement, and altered his attack.

yes you did....and if its still there i will find it... you posted grime said the alerts were suggestive to cadaver odour... I corrected you and said it was his opinion...you lost all credibility with that statement...imo...lets see if i can find it

g posted ..Given that Grime's opinion was that these alerts were triggered by cadaver scent,

g is WRONG ...and i am right   hence apologies...and g has no credibility imo

So Davel’s original claim has been shown to be wrong and Grime’s statement...

My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant.

Points to it being his opinion that it is Cadaver Scent.

This appears to be an unfounded attack on another poster which will cease now.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Perhaps it was this part of G-Unit’s post that rankled, as she IS wrong to have written it

“He used the word suggestive, not possible. In my opinion changing a witness's words demonstrates that the poster isn't too concerned with accuracy”

Grime DID use the word “possible” so accusing Davel of not being concerned with accuracy is a personal attack, IMO.

[slartibartfast]

Perhaps it was this part of G-Unit’s post that rankled, as she IS wrong to have written it

“He used the word suggestive, not possible. In my opinion changing a witness's words demonstrates that the poster isn't too concerned with accuracy”

Grime DID use the word “possible” so accusing Davel of not being concerned with accuracy is a personal attack, IMO.

Not in this thread but which Rob quoted from March 10th. Are you suggesting Davel has been holding a grudge?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Not in this thread but which Rob quoted from March 10th. Are you suggesting Davel has been holding a grudge?

IMO it’s a shame you can’t just admit I made a valid point instead of putting words into my mouth.

[slartibartfast]

Not in this thread but which Rob quoted from March 10th. Are you suggesting Davel has been holding a grudge?

...and G-unit’s original post which actually states Grimes opinion in full...

According to the opening post, the purpose of this thread was to discuss what Martin Grime's evidence meant and if it had been misunderstood.

A lot of opinions were posted, mostly by posters who support the parents. They seem to have misunderstood the aim of the thread and haven't really addressed the question posed in the first post.

A good post in my opinion;

"To claim the alerts were to cadaver odour is factually incorrect...it has not been possible  and is impossible to determine what the alerts were to...poeple have opinions...and that is all they are... To claim the alerts may have been to cadaver odour of course is correct" post #52

The above post is good because the expert who trained and used the dogs shared his opinion which has more credibility than others' because of his experience and knowledge. He said;

My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

So we have an expert opinion. Grime goes on to say;

This does not however suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with corroborating evidence.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Some people seem to think that he's referring to forensic confirmation, but that's clearly wrong, because cadaver scent can't be confirmed by forensic tests.

So 'corroborating evidence' means something else.

Corroborating evidence (or corroboration) is evidence that supports a proposition already supported by initial evidence, therefore confirming the original proposition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corroborating_evidence

So Eddie's unconfirmed alerts were;

G5A
Rear bedroom of the apartment in the immediate right hand corner by the door. 
Veranda outside parent's bedroom.
Garden area directly under veranda.

McCann villa
a pink cuddly toy in the villas lounge
Mother and child clothing (after removal)

Given that Grime's opinion was that these alerts were triggered by cadaver scent, and that the alerts seemed to be suggesting a connection between the site of the missing child's disappearance, her toy, her clothes and her mother's clothes, there had to be an attempt to find corroborating evidence in my opinion.

The PJ tried but failed.

So for some unknown reason Davel is trying to make mountains out of molehills. IMO.

[slartibartfast]

On topic posts only please, no disrupting.

[slartibartfast]

IMO it’s a shame you can’t just admit I made a valid point instead of putting words into my mouth.

A valid point that should have been made nearly 6 months ago.

[Mr Gray]

...and G-unit’s original post which actually states Grimes opinion in full...

So for some unknown reason Davel is trying to make mountains out of molehills. IMO.

I'm pointing out that gunit seems to misunderstand and has misrepresented a very important  statement by grime

[slartibartfast]

I'm pointing out that gunit seems to misunderstand and has misrepresented a very important  statement by grime

...and I am pointing out that as she quoted Grimes exact words in the same post her interpretation of them based on the meaning of the word suggestive is a valid opinion to have.