Author Topic: Is there any context in which hateful and/or abusive tweets about the McCanns are acceptable?  (Read 12571 times)

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

hateful
arousing, deserving of, or filled with hatred.
"that hateful arrogant woman"
informal
very unpleasant.
"a hateful dress"

Which definition of hateful were you referring to in the OP Vertigo Swirl.
The one above will do, I’m not aware of any other definitions.
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Offline Robittybob1

Not so.
Forensic reports are indirect evidence, sometimes they can even be classified as hearsay. As such they are subject to scrutiny and evaluation by the court.
Can you define direct and indirect evidence then since you use the term please?

Is the photograph of the Crecheman pyjamas direct evidence?  Are the Tapas booking sheets, the arrivals lists and creche attendance forms direct evidence?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Can you define direct and indirect evidence then since you use the term please?

Is the photograph of the Crecheman pyjamas direct evidence?  Are the Tapas booking sheets, the arrivals lists and creche attendance forms direct evidence?
And this has what to do with context for hateful and abusive tweets?
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Offline Mr Gray

Not so.
Forensic reports are indirect evidence, sometimes they can even be classified as hearsay. As such they are subject to scrutiny and evaluation by the court.

yet amaral has assessed teh evidence...contradicted experts and drawn his own conclusions which IMO therefore have no merit...these conclusions have then been accepted as fact by some when IMO they are not.....
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Offline Robittybob1

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Offline Alice Purjorick

Can you define direct and indirect evidence then since you use the term please?

Is the photograph of the Crecheman pyjamas direct evidence?  Are the Tapas booking sheets, the arrivals lists and creche attendance forms direct evidence?

As defined at law no more no less.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

yet amaral has assessed teh evidence...contradicted experts and drawn his own conclusions which IMO therefore have no merit...these conclusions have then been accepted as fact by some when IMO they are not.....

The same rules apply.
Until evaluated by the court and ruled on it cannot be said which carries more weight.
One can have opinions of course.
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Offline Mr Gray

The same rules apply.
Until evaluated by the court and ruled on it cannot be said which carries more weight.
One can have opinions of course.

Informed opinions based on an understanding of the evidence and the fact that amaral has, drawn conclusions that IMO are not valid.... I'm sure you don't need a court to tell you that there is no confirmation of maddies, death in the apartment.
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Offline Sunny

The one above will do, I’m not aware of any other definitions.

Well as you can see Vertigo Swirl other definitions are available. 
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Informed opinions based on an understanding of the evidence and the fact that amaral has, drawn conclusions that IMO are not valid.... I'm sure you don't need a court to tell you that there is no confirmation of maddies, death in the apartment.

You clearly have not been paying attention.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Can you define direct and indirect evidence then since you use the term please?

Is the photograph of the Crecheman pyjamas direct evidence?  Are the Tapas booking sheets, the arrivals lists and creche attendance forms direct evidence?

Probably both are hearsay.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Well as you can see Vertigo Swirl other definitions are available.
Are there?  How do they differ?  Do we really now have to explain the meaning of every word we wrote as well as orovide cites for everything?  I think most people understand what is meant by the word “hateful “, even if you don’t.
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Offline Sunny

Are there?  How do they differ?  Do we really now have to explain the meaning of every word we wrote as well as orovide cites for everything?  I think most people understand what is meant by the word “hateful “, even if you don’t.

I generally don't look up words to pick faults but to me hateful has always sounded like the second example of the definition I gave. That is why I gave the definitions. It was the first example I came across when putting hateful in google so clearly not an unusual usage of the word.
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Offline Mr Gray

You clearly have not been paying attention.

I clearly have been paying attention as my post shows... You are making a generalisation of evidence and applying your generalisation  to a specific case... What we, have here is a lack of forensic evidence.... Amarals, case, is, built on a lack of evidence... Rather than evidence itself... All my considered opinion

Offline G-Unit

Are there?  How do they differ?  Do we really now have to explain the meaning of every word we wrote as well as orovide cites for everything?  I think most people understand what is meant by the word “hateful “, even if you don’t.

Some people find it 'hateful' and 'abusive' if others draw attention to what they see as less than adequate childcare practices. In my opinion that is neither 'hateful' nor driven by feelings of hate, it's a perfectly valid discussion point.

Hatred and abusiveness in that case is in the eye of the beholder imo.

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