Group timeline after Madeleine's disappearance + Control Risks Emma Knights etc.

[Robittybob1]

You would wonder what is going on here  With Control Risks taking parallel statements to the PJ active case going on.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANALYSIS-SEP-07.htm#oa29-p11to14
"Group timeline after Madeleine's disappearance"
"Dear Sirs,

This report contains a summary of the 'timeline' that shows the movements of the group after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from apartment G5A in the Mark Warner resort in Praia da Luz on 3rd May 2007. It is centred on the McCann family and the group of friends who travelled with them on holiday to Portugal.

This 'timeline' was created based upon translations of statements made be elements of the group to the Portuguese police, from statements made in English to 'Control Risks' by five elements of the group and by Emma Knights, manager of client support services for Mark Warner, from various statements and questioning of Mark Warner staff made to the Portuguese and British police and from questioning carried out at that time."

I'm surprised by this that a PI company was allowed to operate in Portugal parallel to an active investigation!

A thread discussing this aspect   "No 1 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Control Risks Group"  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3083.0


 

[Robittybob1]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3082.msg113407#msg113407  The Private Investigators - Introduction  only the OP.  The forum must have been quiet in those days.

[Robittybob1]

You would wonder what is going on here  With Control Risks taking parallel statements to the PJ active case going on.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANALYSIS-SEP-07.htm#oa29-p11to14
"Group timeline after Madeleine's disappearance"
"Dear Sirs,

This report contains a summary of the 'timeline' that shows the movements of the group after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from apartment G5A in the Mark Warner resort in Praia da Luz on 3rd May 2007. It is centred on the McCann family and the group of friends who travelled with them on holiday to Portugal.

This 'timeline' was created based upon translations of statements made be elements of the group to the Portuguese police, from statements made in English to 'Control Risks' by five elements of the group and by Emma Knights, manager of client support services for Mark Warner, from various statements and questioning of Mark Warner staff made to the Portuguese and British police and from questioning carried out at that time."

I'm surprised by this that a PI company was allowed to operate in Portugal parallel to an active investigation!

A thread discussing this aspect   "No 1 - The Search for Madeleine McCann and Control Risks Group"  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3083.0

You get to the bottom of that report and they have a conclusion:
"Conclusion

In the confusion following the disappearance of Madeleine it would be possible that one of the men or Fiona Payne 'escaped' to join in the searches again later."

That just about guarantees the CR were not working for the McCanns.   Who actually came to that conclusion?

[G-Unit]

You get to the bottom of that report and they have a conclusion:
"Conclusion

In the confusion following the disappearance of Madeleine it would be possible that one of the men or Fiona Payne 'escaped' to join in the searches again later."

That just about guarantees the CR were not working for the McCanns.   Who actually came to that conclusion?

Well it wasn't CR or the PJ;

Conclusion

In the confusion following the disappearance of Madeleine it would be possible that one of the men or Fiona Payne 'escaped' to join in the searches again later.

Analyst 7792 Eaton

[Robittybob1]

Well it wasn't CR or the PJ;

Conclusion

In the confusion following the disappearance of Madeleine it would be possible that one of the men or Fiona Payne 'escaped' to join in the searches again later.

Analyst 7792 Eaton

What so who is this analyst 7792 Eaton   sounds a bit like James Bond 007.

[Sunny]

What so who is this analyst 7792 Eaton   sounds a bit like James Bond 007.

I wonder if it was "Hugh" 

From Madeleine by Kate McCann

At the last two meetings the barrister and legal assistant were joined by a consultant called Hugh, whose profession was at first not explained (Just call me Hugh, he said enigmatically) It transpired that he was a former intelligence officer, now a kidnap negotiator and counsellor. We were told that an anonymous (but evidently very generous) donor had set aside a considerable sum of money for us to put towards the cost of hiring a private investigation company if we wished.
Hugh had been brought in by a firm called control risks, which was primed to help. This company is an independent specialist risk consultancy [..] the first session Hugh attended, which took place at night, had something of a James Bond atmosphere to it.

[Robittybob1]

I wonder if it was "Hugh" 

From Madeleine by Kate McCann

At the last two meetings the barrister and legal assistant were joined by a consultant called Hugh, whose profession was at first not explained (Just call me Hugh, he said enigmatically) It transpired that he was a former intelligence officer, now a kidnap negotiator and counsellor. We were told that an anonymous (but evidently very generous) donor had set aside a considerable sum of money for us to put towards the cost of hiring a private investigation company if we wished.
Hugh had been brought in by a firm called control risks, which was primed to help. This company is an independent specialist risk consultancy [..] the first session Hugh attended, which took place at night, had something of a James Bond atmosphere to it.

That was a good guess on my part and damn good work on your part to link those two.    I tend to think Kate thinks CR is working on their behave but I think when it comes down to it it was OC and Mark Warner who engaged Bell Pottinger and Control Risks, so I feel they are working for them at the expense of the McCanns.

To come to a conclusion like that basically eliminates the stranger abduction theory but suggests it could be an inside job done by one or other of the Tapas 5. (but not Kate or Dianne or Rachael or Jane)

I still can't understand why GA put all the pressure on Kate.  Maybe he was hoping Kate would spill the beans on one of the Tapas 5 (Fiona, David ,Gerry, Matt or Russell) on the basis of this CR report and conclusion.
"September 2007" is the date of the report so it could have been ready for the arguido interviews.

[Robittybob1]

I wonder if it was "Hugh" 

From Madeleine by Kate McCann

At the last two meetings the barrister and legal assistant were joined by a consultant called Hugh, whose profession was at first not explained (Just call me Hugh, he said enigmatically) It transpired that he was a former intelligence officer, now a kidnap negotiator and counsellor. We were told that an anonymous (but evidently very generous) donor had set aside a considerable sum of money for us to put towards the cost of hiring a private investigation company if we wished.
Hugh had been brought in by a firm called control risks, which was primed to help. This company is an independent specialist risk consultancy [..] the first session Hugh attended, which took place at night, had something of a James Bond atmosphere to it.

There was an actor called Hugh Eaton.

[Sunny]

There was an actor called Hugh Eaton.

I am sure it wasn't him Rob unless he played James Bond 

Modified to add I wonder if he wasn't working for Control Risks Group but P A Consulting

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/hugh-eaton-obe-ma-6abba53

That guy looks like he would make a great James Bond IMO.

P A Consulting seem to supply many services from what it says here

https://www.paconsulting.com

[Robittybob1]

I am sure it wasn't him Rob unless he played James Bond 

Modified to add I wonder if he wasn't working for Control Risks Group but P A Consulting

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/hugh-eaton-obe-ma-6abba53

That guy looks like he would make a great James Bond IMO.

P A Consulting seem to supply many services from what it says here

https://www.paconsulting.com

His CV "Experienced Senior Leader with a strong track record in sales and strategy roles in the Technology industry and senior leadership positions in Government. Skilled in Government, Business Transformation, Growth Strategies, Management, and Leadership. MA in International Security Studies. Awarded the MBE and OBE for Miltary Service.

It certainly could be him.

[Brietta]

First of all allow me to congratulate you on your efforts to keep the ball rolling by encouraging discussion and (sometimes) clearing up some anomolies.

For example while doing some research on the forum on mistaken perceptions which have largely moulded 'sceptic' opinion, for your thread "Return of the Inspector to the crime scene - Goncalo Interview" I came across the following information which is pertinent to this one.

Regarding Control Risks and the group timeline after Madeleine's disappearance:

In the first instance Control Risks had no input to the timeline produced by the group; http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm that was entirely the work of the group and was written by the witnesses.

Second ... the document was entirely in English in their own words leaving absolutely no scope for error or misunderstanding in translation and days before any of the group spoke with Control Risks detectives.

Snip
This 3-page document was not written by the CR company.
It was written and printed by the T9 themselves.
No intermediary was involved in writing it, no translation, and no translation errors, this is the original english, by the T9.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg273299#msg273299

Snip
The T9 wrote it Mercury.
On a laptop borrowed from GB.
It was handed to the PJ on a flash memory card on Thu 10 May.
The first statements of any of the T9 to CR detectives were on Sun 13 May. 
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg273308#msg273308

Snip
I am interested in
"21:30 ... hears a sound in the childrens bedroom"
These are the exact words - there are no translation errors in this three-page document Mercury - it's the original english typed by the T9 themselves.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg273310#msg273310

[G-Unit]

What so who is this analyst 7792 Eaton   sounds a bit like James Bond 007.

If you read the link you provided you will see that there was a report included which was produced by Operation Task; the UK police investigation. 7792 Eaton was a British police officer.

[faithlilly]

First of all allow me to congratulate you on your efforts to keep the ball rolling by encouraging discussion and (sometimes) clearing up some anomolies.

For example while doing some research on the forum on mistaken perceptions which have largely moulded 'sceptic' opinion, for your thread "Return of the Inspector to the crime scene - Goncalo Interview" I came across the following information which is pertinent to this one.

Regarding Control Risks and the group timeline after Madeleine's disappearance:

In the first instance Control Risks had no input to the timeline produced by the group; http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm that was entirely the work of the group and was written by the witnesses.

Second ... the document was entirely in English in their own words leaving absolutely no scope for error or misunderstanding in translation and days before any of the group spoke with Control Risks detectives.

Snip
This 3-page document was not written by the CR company.
It was written and printed by the T9 themselves.
No intermediary was involved in writing it, no translation, and no translation errors, this is the original english, by the T9.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg273299#msg273299

Snip
The T9 wrote it Mercury.
On a laptop borrowed from GB.
It was handed to the PJ on a flash memory card on Thu 10 May.
The first statements of any of the T9 to CR detectives were on Sun 13 May. 
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg273308#msg273308

Snip
I am interested in
"21:30 ... hears a sound in the childrens bedroom"
These are the exact words - there are no translation errors in this three-page document Mercury - it's the original english typed by the T9 themselves.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg273310#msg273310

Interesting then that the timeline has Gerry/ Jez meeting near the gate of the apartment and not on the other side of the road. I do wonder when Gerry changed his mind.....was it when the PJ presented him with the impossibility of this recollection at his May 10th interview?

[Brietta]

Interesting then that the timeline has Gerry/ Jez meeting near the gate of the apartment and not on the other side of the road. I do wonder when Gerry changed his mind.....was it when the PJ presented him with the impossibility of this recollection at his May 10th interview?

All the timelines are absolutely riveting ... which in my opinion is probably why Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria have had a very good look at them before progressing their inquiries forward.

In fact ... didn't DCI Redwood mention something along those lines regarding timelines?

Snip
Madeleine McCann could have been abducted up to 45 minutes later than thought, after detectives had a “revelation moment” when examining the timeline of the night she disappeared.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10378303/Madeleine-McCann-New-reconstruction-reveals-abduction-was-later-than-previously-thought.html

Thought so.

[faithlilly]

All the timelines are absolutely riveting ... which in my opinion is probably why Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria have had a very good look at them before progressing their inquiries forward.

In fact ... didn't DCI Redwood mention something along those lines regarding timelines?

Snip
Madeleine McCann could have been abducted up to 45 minutes later than thought, after detectives had a “revelation moment” when examining the timeline of the night she disappeared.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10378303/Madeleine-McCann-New-reconstruction-reveals-abduction-was-later-than-previously-thought.html

Thought so.

Wasn’t the ‘revelation moment’ the ditching of Tannerman as the abductor ? I thought you thought Tannerman was still viable ?