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Re: Who, when were the GNR called to OC? When did they arrive?
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2018, 09:31:37 PM »
Does Kate mention the arrival of the PJ, it should be somewhere near something about moving the twins upstairs hopefully?
The last 3-4 pages of the chapter called "Missing" covers Kate's interaction with the PJ.  Either Silvia is lying or Kate is for they say incompatible things.  Kate says the PJ left while they were still in the apartment free to take what they wanted. 
The PJ say it was locked. 

Someone is telling porkies!  Who controlled the key?  Where was the key kept till the PJ returned, was the apartment ever locked up at all?
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Re: Who, when were the GNR called to OC? When did they arrive?
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2018, 09:44:38 PM »
If the PJ leave a building open how can they ask questions like where has a certain suitcase gone?  It was there when Joao took the photos at night, it was not there when they were retaken the next day, when was it taken who took it?  Impossible questions, impossible to be answered, if the building was left unattended and unlocked after the PJ left.
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Re: Who, when were the GNR called to OC? When did they arrive?
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2018, 10:00:08 PM »
Why on earth do you think that?

By the way, you are off-topic already.
I don't think so, for I'm trying to work out whether a GNR officer on site without powers constitutes the "police" on site.
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Re: Who, when were the GNR called to OC? When did they arrive?
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2018, 11:14:46 PM »
I don't think so, for I'm trying to work out whether a GNR officer on site without powers constitutes the "police" on site.
Read the thread title.  It has nothing to do with when the PJ arrived.  Off topic.
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Re: Who, when were the GNR called to OC? When did they arrive?
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2018, 12:24:51 AM »
Read the thread title.  It has nothing to do with when the PJ arrived.  Off topic.
The OP is wider that the thread title,  Titles are limited as to how long they are allowed to be.
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Re: Who, when were the GNR called to OC? When did they arrive?
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2018, 12:37:32 AM »
Well that was interesting in that I now know only 2 PJ staff were in attendance on the night of the 3rd. Vitor and Joao and there was another staff member in the office at Portimao.  And they travelled together.

I'm not sure how many GNR turned up during the night time. We'll have to work it out, but my impression is that they arrived at various times so that could account for some of the discrepancies.
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Re: Who, when were the GNR called to OC? When did they arrive?
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2018, 01:00:56 AM »
The OP is wider that the thread title,  Titles are limited as to how long they are allowed to be.
The OP isn't wider than the thread title.

But if you want to wander about with posts which have nothing to do with the GNR arriving, so be it.

It would seem the other mods are standing back and letting you get on with it, so I shall do the same.

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Re: Who, when were the GNR called to OC? When did they arrive?
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2018, 01:55:40 AM »
The OP isn't wider than the thread title.

But if you want to wander about with posts which have nothing to do with the GNR arriving, so be it.

It would seem the other mods are standing back and letting you get on with it, so I shall do the same.

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It asks when did the police arrive so that includes the GNR, the PJ and Interpol if required.
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Re: Who, when were the GNR called to OC? When did they arrive?
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2018, 02:03:11 AM »
It asks when did the police arrive so that includes the GNR, the PJ and Interpol if required.

I've also changed the title to include the GNR, the PJ and Interpol, with a struggle to fit enough words in.
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Roque
Costa

ARMANDO AUGUSTO MORAIS G.N.R. OFFICER "On 4th May he was called at about 01.15, he arrived at the OC at about 1.55, accompanied by the officer Laçao.  They presented themselves to Sergeant Duarte from the GNR Lagos post and were informed by him of the disappearance of a small girl from the resort. There were other GNR officers present at the scene, but he does not remember their names. There were also PJ officers present."

ANTONIO H. C. DUARTE 16 MAY & 08 NOV 07 "Upon questioning, he states that he arrived at the site of the disappearance of the young girl on 3rd May of this year, about 25 to 30 minutes after the patrol.  Upon arriving at the site he was told that this was a case of abduction, this information being transmitted, he thinks, by the girl's father. He was also informed by Silvia (head of maintenance at the resort) that the parents and friends said it was an abduction, their intention being to inform the media, and that they were in fact making phone calls to this effect.

ANTONIO FREITAS SILVA DOG HANDLER  "- He remembers that on the 4th of May of the current year, around 23H00, they attempted to tentatively identify and thus reconstruct the path taken by the missing minor. They gave the dogs a Turkish bath towel which was supposedly used by the child in question. This operation was realised by two different dogs.


CARLOS M.CARVALHO LACAO 16 MAY07  "On 4th May he was called at about 01.15 when he was asleep at home, requesting him to appear at the Lagos GNR post as a small girl had disappeared. After arriving at the GNR post with his colleagues Morais and two dogs (Numi and Kit), German Shepherd dogs, which made up the search team, they immediately left for P da L. They arrived at about 02.30.  When they arrived at the scene, they entered the McCann's apartment by the front door, and entered the living room, where there were some PJ officers as well as the MCCann couple. The just talked to some colleagues from the PJ and asked for a piece of clothing that Madeleine had worn or used recently. They were given a pink/orange blanket that the child had been covered with in her bed.


JOAO VASCO DA CASIMIRO  16 MAY 07  "On 4th May 2007 he entered into the service of the events occurred at 01.00, having received orders from the commander to go to P da L. He arrived at the OC complex at 01.10 and went to join Commander Duarte, who updated him on the situation and sent him to Rua da Ramalhete.  On the scene where he had been sent by the Commander, he began to revise the perimeter of the resort, in a police car accompanied by his colleague, Officer Neto.

JOSE CARLOS LEAL PIMENTAL 16-05-07   "At about 00.00 on 4th May, he received a telephone call at his home from Officer Costa, informing him that a child had disappeared from P da L. he was also informed that the post commander had previously tried to contact him, which had been impossible as he had left his home, forgetting to take his mobile phone with him.  He immediately left for P da L in his own car and met his post commander, Sergeant Duarte who accompanied him to the site of the events in the resort in P da L. Officer Costa was on site. The witness arrived at 00.10 - 00.15.  According to orders from his superior he teamed up with Officer Costa to carry out external searches of the resort in case the girl had left the apartment and got lost nearby.  At about 04.00 AM they searched the streets, gardens, caravans, lorries, etc. As well as questioning lorry drivers in the parking area next to the "Luz Tur" building, they stopped a caravan with two English individuals, who said they lived in the Espiche area. The caravan was duly searched."

JOSE MARIA BATISA ROQUE 16 MAY 07-17 OCT 07    In the sequence of facts, he was with the patrol of the GNR that went to the Ocean Club Gardens establishment (situated in Para da Luz) on night of May 03, 2007,

NELSON FILIPE P.DA COSTA 07&16 MAY 07  "On the 3rd May he arrived at the resort in P da L at about 23.00, accompanied by officer Roque.  They went to the OC reception.  At that moment Madeleine’s father arrived at the reception and informed them of the events.  After having found out what happened, he went to the exact place Madeleine had disappeared from, accompanied by Roque, the girl’s father and a woman who was acting as interpreter, whose name he does not remember and another individual, a friend of the girl’s father, whose name he does not recall.

NELSON P.F.DA COSTA 17 OCT 07  "Regarding the facts on 3rd May, when he was on patrol with his colleague Roque in the Odiaxere zone, they received a radio communication from the central, telling them to go to P da L, specifically to the OC resort reception where the father of a little girl who had gone missing was. When they were on their way to this place and in the Valverde area, they received a new communication, informing them that this was a very young child and that her father had called again. They continued on their way, now with urgency, heading for the main reception of the resort."

PEDRO MIGUEL E.FERNANDES DOG HANDLER  " On the 4th of May of the current year, around 23h, he was asked to use the two sniffer dogs he has trained in the search operation that attempted to reconstruct the route taken by the missing minor. For this purpose he made the dogs sniff a bath towel which had supposedly been used by the missing minor."



PAOLO JORGE CARVAIHOSA DA COSTA 16 MAY 07  "On 3rd May when he was at home, he was contacted by the GNR post commander who asked him to go to P da L. He arrived at the OC at 00.05 on 4th May having contacted his colleague Nelson Costa who informed him about the situation.


PAULO J. FERNANDES NETO 16 MAY 07  "On the night of 4th May at 01.00 after having begun duty at his post, he first heard, from the Patrol Commander, Officer Casimiro, that a girl had disappeared and that he to go and join his colleagues who were there.  At about 01.05-01.20 they arrived at the site

RUI SEGIO LOPES SILVA 16 MAY 07  "Together with his colleague, Santos, he immediately offered to do all that was necessary to help.  After having helped his previously mentioned colleague prepare a message to distribute the news, he left for the OC in his own car. He arrived with his colleague Santos between 00.00 and 00.01 and presented himself to the GNR post commander, Duarte.


2 arrive around 11:00 PM (Roque and Da Costa)

Duarte arrives around 11:30 PM

some arrive at midnight

Some arrive at 12:15 AM

some arrive at 12:20 AM

Some arrive at 1:55 AM

Some more dog handlers arrive at 11:00 PM on the 4th.




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2 arrive around 11:00 PM (Roque and Da Costa)

Duarte arrives around 11:30 PM

some arrive at midnight

Some arrive at 12:15 AM

some arrive at 12:20 AM

Some arrive at 1:55 AM

Some more dog handlers arrive at 11:00 PM on the 4th.




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Then there are claim's that the Portuguese were doing nothing!
Ah,but I may as well try and catch the wind.

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Then there are claim's that the Portuguese were doing nothing!

Local dogs and handlers at 02.30am, search and rescue dogs from Lisbon at 07.30 am........
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Local dogs and handlers at 02.30am, search and rescue dogs from Lisbon at 07.30 am........
Thanks for I was only looking at those listed under GNR in the alphabetical section. 
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Then there are claim's that the Portuguese were doing nothing!
The efforts to stop a potential kidnapping were rather pitiful.  When I think it through it is one of the hardest things to do.  A kidnapper would put the child in the boot so there would be no child to see in the car.  Has that ever been achieved before?
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Who observes the GNR arriving?

Robin Crossland seems to keep quite a good record of the events.  He says: "That at around 22H50, local elements of the GNR arrived and took charge of the occurrence, and began to manage and lead the search operations of the child missing in the area;
. That until the GNR arrived at the local it was John Hill who determined what to do; "

Silvia turns up in time to accompany the GNR over to the apartment.
"She drove immediately to the Ocean Club where she arrived a few minutes before elements of the GNR popped in.

After she arrived she went immediately to the apartment A5 where she found several people inside the apartment and outside of it. She entered in the flat but soon left without having spoken with anyone, because she was informed that elements of the GNR were in the principal reception. She went there to meet them.

When she came close to the elements of the GNR she found that behind her was
Gerry, Madeleine's father, accompanied by another man whose identity she doesn't remember.

Then Gerry kneeled down, hit the floor with both hands, positioning himself as if he were a praying Arab, and screamed twice of anger, what he said being impossible to understand. Then Gerry stand up and accompanied her (the witness) and the other man in the car of the GNR to the apartment A5.

She entered the apartment and asked for the passports of all elements of the family, and also photographs of the missing girl. She went with Gerry to the GNR car to hand over the requested documents. She mentions she did this, as well as other tasks, at the request of the GNR Commandant, because she could translate their questions and the missing girl's family's answers.
She remembers Gerry gave the Commandant of several photographs of the missing girl. They were postcard-like pictures, taking into account their size and shape and seemed all the same to her."

It confuses me a little for the GNR want the passports and photos and so do the PJ.  It seems repetitive but maybe that is what happens when there are two police forces.

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