Guardian article

[Caroline]

I don't know anything about this.  If it is so was it JB's decision alone or was he advised by lawyers/MT QC to take this approach?

No idea Holly, found the post by accident yesterday - I'm trying to find out more.

[Caroline]

Were some of the items Bamber handed out to AA exhibits at one time?

Not sure Steph but I recall one of those item was a Cartier watch - other than that not sure what items she had/has.

[Nicholas]

The blood stained bible was handed back to relatives according to CAL. There is a document (I think posted by David) that suggests the bible was about to be destroyed but nothing to confirm it. There is a reference in CAL's book that states it was given back to relatives.

So what of the rifle, wetsuit, watch and other items handed to AA? Were they once police exhibits?

[Holly Goodhead]

So what of the rifle, wetsuit, watch and other items handed to AA? Were they once police exhibits?

I think the only important items are those relied upon at trial and Afaik none of the exhibits handed over to AA were relied upon at trial.

[Nicholas]

I think the only important items are those relied upon at trial and Afaik none of the exhibits handed over to AA were relied upon at trial.

If you think this then what do you make of the new claims re ‘two silencers’ ?

How many silencers were ‘relied upon at trial’?

[Nicholas]

I guess only if they were deemed relevant to the investigation.  In any event clear rules surround exhibits exhibited at trial which isn't the case for items not not exhibited at trial.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/exhibits

What items did Bamber deem ‘relevant to the investigation’ and what items did he have destroyed, why and when?

[Holly Goodhead]

If you think this then what do you make of the new claims re ‘two silencers’ ?

How many silencers were ‘relied upon at trial’?

The only silencer relevant to this case is the one exhibited at trial.  And only when this can be undermined will JB's conviction be quashed.

[Nicholas]

The only silencer relevant to this case is the one exhibited at trial.  And only when this can be undermined will JB's conviction be quashed.

You believe 5 murder convictions carried out in 1985 and a whole life tariff prisoner, diagnosed a psychopath pre-trial, will have their multiple murder convictions ‘quashed’ on the basis of the silencer evidence alone

[Holly Goodhead]

You believe 5 murder convictions carried out in 1985 and a whole life tariff prisoner, diagnosed a psychopath pre-trial, will have their multiple murder convictions ‘quashed’ on the basis of the silencer evidence alone

JB has never been diagnosed with psychopathy.

In answer to your question yes evidenced by the fact it was the reason CCRC referred the case to CoA in 2001/2 and the reason Coa heard it in 2002.  If other evidence was strong then the CCRC/Coa would fall back on this but there isn't any.

[Angelo222]

JB has never been diagnosed with psychopathy.

In answer to your question yes evidenced by the fact it was the reason CCRC referred the case to CoA in 2001/2 and the reason Coa heard it in 2002.  If other evidence was strong then the CCRC/Coa would fall back on this but there isn't any.

Only a psychopath could murder two small children as they slept by shooting them in the head. If ever there was a reason to bring back hanging then Bamber is it imo.

[Nicholas]

JB has never been diagnosed with psychopathy.

Yes he was/is Holly pre trial 1986

“His former brother-in-law Colin Caffell, Sheila's ex-husband and father of murdered Nicholas and Daniel, six, said Bamber was "charismatic" and "charming".
He said: "He was incredibly charismatic and I am sure he is just as charming today as he was then.
"Psychopaths, and while I am not an expert I think he is one, are naturally charismatic."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-51024716

[Angelo222]

You believe 5 murder convictions carried out in 1985 and a whole life tariff prisoner, diagnosed a psychopath pre-trial, will have their multiple murder convictions ‘quashed’ on the basis of the silencer evidence alone

I excluded the silencer long ago as insignificant.  It's the other evidence which matters and that will never be overturned.

[Holly Goodhead]

Only a psychopath could murder two small children as they slept by shooting them in the head. If ever there was a reason to bring back hanging then Bamber is it imo.

JB has never been diagnosed with any personality disorder or mental illness.

[Holly Goodhead]

Yes he was/is Holly pre trial 1986

“His former brother-in-law Colin Caffell, Sheila's ex-husband and father of murdered Nicholas and Daniel, six, said Bamber was "charismatic" and "charming".
He said: "He was incredibly charismatic and I am sure he is just as charming today as he was then.
"Psychopaths, and while I am not an expert I think he is one, are naturally charismatic."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-51024716

CC is not qualified to say whether or not someone has a personality disorder.

[Holly Goodhead]

I excluded the silencer long ago as insignificant.  It's the other evidence which matters and that will never be overturned.

That's not the view ofCCRC/Coa.  If it was there would not have been a 2002 appeal hearing.