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Vitor Martins -  statements - how much is corroborated by other persons?

Vitor Martins strikes me as rather a lazy person.    I also have noted some major oddities in his statements, and we should look at his statements and see if we can understand why these oddities arose.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VITOR_MARTINS.htm  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VITOR_MARTINS.htm#p15p3862   2 statements from Vitor.

"From: Vitor Martins, Inspector

Subject: Participation in the Disappearance of the Child.

I inform you that on this date, at about 01.00 Officer Patricio from the GNR informed this police station about the disappearance of a female child aged four and of British nationality."

Phone call from GNR at 01.00.

The next bit seems the most glaring error in his statement.  "According to the GNR officer, the disappearance would have happened at about 22.40 yesterday, from a room of a ground floor apartment of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, where a family was staying composed of a couple and three small children."

I can only think he meant that the GNR were first contacted about this case at around 22.40 on the 3rd May.
This is the time of the first phone call to the GNR station from the phone at the reception.

The next bit is basic history but no times are recorded.
"The layout of the apartment is composed of two bedrooms, a kitchen, living room and bathroom.

The front door as well as the back door (living room patio doors) of the apartment allow easy access to the public roads.

During dinner the couple would on several occasions go to the children's bedroom, at a given moment in one of these visits the mother realised that one of the girls was missing and gave the alarm to try to locate her.

Given these facts and on superior orders, police services were activated consisting of the undersigned and Officer Barreiras, Deputy Specialist who immediately left for the scene and began to carry out investigations."








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Re: Vitor Martins - statement - how much is corroborated by other persons?
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2018, 03:59:09 AM »
Vitor Martins statement
"At the scene, the girl's parents were identified as being:

Gerald Patrick McCann, of English nationality, born on 05-06-1968, holder of passport nș and owner of mobile phone number*****.

Kate Marie Healy, of English nationality, born on 05-03-1968, originally from Liverpool, holder of passport nș **+ and owner of mobile phone number nÂș*****.

They both own the following residence: **** Leicestershire, UK LE 7 /Rw.

The missing child was identified as being Madeleine Beth McCann, born on 12-05-2003 holder of passport nș ******

It is stated that as well the girl in question, the couple have two twin children aged two who were also in the bedroom where Madeleine was sleeping.

In conversation with Gerald McCann it was possible to establish the following:

They had been staying at the OC since 28th April 2007 and they were due to stay there for a week.

From 29-04-2007 he would dine with his wife at a restaurant in the OC whilst their children were a few metres away from the restaurant, in the bedroom.

They would dine at the restaurant with three other couples who were friends of theirs. Yesterday (the day of the events) they got up at 07.30 and had breakfast in the apartment. At about 09.00 they left the apartment and left the children at the creche, this creche was located inside the OC, with employees who would take care of the children until about 12.30.

After lunch, at about 14.30 the children would be dropped off back at the creche and would stay there until about 17.00.

At about 17.30 the parents would bathe the children and give them something to eat and at about 19.30 the three children were put to sleep in one of the bedrooms in the apartment.

At about 20.30 the couple left to have dinner in the restaurant.

At about 21.05 - 21.15 Gerald went to the bedroom to see the children, he saw the bedroom door was half way open which he found strange as he thought he had left it pushed to, however he entered and saw the children and saw that the window as well as the shutter were closed.

At about 21.20, their friend Jane passed by the apartment (along the corridor of the main entrance) she saw an individual carrying a child who passed descending the road, however she did not recognise this individual, nor the child, only having noticed that the individual appeared to be aged between 30 or 40, had dark hair and light coloured trousers.


At about 21.30 their friend Mat entered the apartment by the back door (patio door) he did not enter the bedroom and only saw the twins sleeping, he did not notice anything strange.

At the same place, at about 22.00 Kate discovered the facts and the consequent disappearance of her daughter Madeleine, at this moment the window being wide open as well as the curtains and the shutter.

In conversation with the Director of Maintenance Services of the OC, Silvia Batista it was possible to establish that those employees responsible for the creche were Lindsay Johnson and Stacey Portz and that the following employees (employed until October) were Amy Tierney, Pauline Mccann, Rhiannon Fretter, Charlotte Pennington, Leanne Wagstaff, Susan Owen, Sarah Williamson, Jacke Williams, Shinead Vine, Emma Wilding, Cat Baker and Kirsty Maryan.

The Director of Maintenance Services provided copies of the lists of guests staying in the apartments and of the departures on 03-05-2007 and provided her telephone number for any further information."

It is not clear if this information was gleaned from Gerry himself or borrowed from the notes taken by the GNR officers earlier.
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Re: Vitor Martins - statement - how much is corroborated by other persons?
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2018, 04:06:53 AM »
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VITOR_MARTINS.htm

"It is important to state that when the police arrived at the scene, there were already several people inside the apartment who could have contaminated this space.
It is also important to state that the GNR officers carried out several searches around the apartment in an attempt to locate the missing girl, however these efforts have been fruitless.


An examination of the scene and a photographic report were made.
The parents handed over one photograph of Madeleine.

I bring this to your attention.

Signed

Inspector Vitor Martins"


I'm surprised he thought the dog searches were fruitless, for the dogs had tracked from the front door around the building to the lane, then to the road, and down to the car park opposite the secondary reception.
With that knowledge the PJ would be thinking Madeleine has wandered so they would not be thinking of the apartment as a crime scene. 
Even if it was it was " there were already several people inside the apartment who could have contaminated this space".  They were the ones there, how come he never recorded their names?  How come he never made a list of all the people who had been in there since the alarm was raised?
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Re: Vitor Martins - statement - how much is corroborated by other persons?
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2018, 04:20:18 AM »
In the later statement Vitor writes "That Gerald McCann, the missing girls father, informed him that the children of the couples friends were in another apartment and that they were being looked after by the mother of one of the friends, who was never present in the apartment whilst the inquiries were being carried out. "

Means that Dianne Webster was looking after the Payne's children who were in their own apartment.

"Finally, he states that the photograph of the missing girl was handed to him by Gerald McCann, the girls father, he does not remember seeing the photo in the possession of any other person.
Reads, ratifies, signs."

Means that this was an additional photo Gerry handed over to the PJ in addition to the 4  he gave to the GNR.
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Re: Vitor Martins - statement - how much is corroborated by other persons?
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2018, 04:42:50 AM »
"Vitor Manuel Martins

Occupation : PJ Officer

He is an inspector with the PJ and currently works at the Porto PJ Directorate.

That he was placed on a service commission to the Criminal Investigation Department in Portimao, for 3 years, from 09 November 2004 to 09 November 2007.

On the night of 3rd May 2007 he was on duty at the Portimao DIC, in the company of Inspector Manuel Queir?, who was acting as head of the station.

When questioned he confirms the integrity of the service information drawn up from the stations inquiries carried out in the early morning of 04/05/2007, adding that he arrived on the scene about 30 - 40 minutes after the phone call from the GNR, at about 00.40/00.50.

At the scene, there were already some elements from the GNR and some people walking around the OC grounds, searching for the child.

In the apartment where the family was staying, there were different persons, including the friends of the girls parents, who were immediately invited to leave the apartment, in order to preserve the scene.

Inside the room that was indicated as being that of the missing girl, there were two children, babies, who appeared to sleeping in two cots placed in the middle of the room.

A request was made to the OC services director for the family to be re-allocated and accordingly the babies were taken out of the room, so that the site could be searched.

The OC services manager introduced him to the missing girls parents, who looked quite tired and anguished, particularly the mother who appeared more upset and was therefore less receptive to conversation, which led the witness to converse only with the girls father.

After the site had been isolated, he proceeded to make an inspection, together with the inspection and photographic report carried out by Deputy Specialist Joao Barreiras.

He states that he always maintained telephone contact with his superiors, in order to inform them of the inquiries carried out, until, at a time he cannot recall, after having completed the inquiries requested, he received orders from his superiors to return to the Portimao DIC, where the report was subsequently compiled."


What does Manuel Queiroz have to say about Vitor Martins?

At about 00.10 a call was received from the GNR in Lagos to communicate the disappearance of a British girl who was on holiday with her parents at the OC in PdL.

Almost half an hour later, Inspector Martins accompanied by Assistant Specialist J. Barreiras left for the scene to carry out any inquiries that were necessary, including a Judicial Inspection of the scene.."

If that is correct the PJ could not have arrived at 5A at the time I thought Vitor Martins said.

"When questioned he confirms the integrity of the service information drawn up from the stations inquiries carried out in the early morning of 04/05/2007, adding that he arrived on the scene about 30 - 40 minutes after the phone call from the GNR, at about 00.40/00.50." 

How long would it take to get from Portimao to PdL ?  It looks about 30 km by road so they would be around 1:00 AM arriving by Manuel's timing.

Manuel Queiroz says "However, a little more than an hour later, about 02.00/02.30, as the child had not been found"  that would indicate there was at least one phone call from Vitor.
I'm a bit surprised at the time range in the report  "about 02.00/02.30" that seems to be quite a large period.

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Re: Vitor Martins - statement - how much is corroborated by other persons?
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2018, 08:46:40 PM »
Reply to G-unit to your off topic post on the Barreiras thread

"So we have Martins using all these notes in his statement.  Were they from interviews he himself had made or were they taken from what the GNR officer had taken when Silvia first arrived? 

Are they his notes or someone else's?

OK you might be right it is Gerry telling Vitor what Jane saw and at what time she saw it.

"At about 21.20, their friend Jane passed by the apartment (along the corridor of the main entrance) she saw an individual carrying a child who passed descending the road, however she did not recognise this individual, nor the child, only having noticed that the individual appeared to be aged between 30 or 40, had dark hair and light coloured trousers."

Was Jez still talking to Gerry at 21.20?  Did Jane say 21.20 to Gerry at any stage?

Descending what road?  "passed by the apartment (along the corridor of the main entrance)"   

Were these words coming direct from Gerry to Vitor Martins or were they being translated by Silvia first?"
Whichever way I look at what Gerry or Silvia says and Vitor writes about what Jane saw it seems wrong.

In fact 21.20 sounds about right over all for Jane has been quoted as saying "Kate was wondering why Gerry was taking so long"  But that would still imply Jez and Gerry were talking at around 21.20. 

You would wonder why Vitor didn't talk to Jane right there and then!  Was it sensible to leave that till tomorrow?  It must have been a potential abductor sighting.  Why leave that?
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