Author Topic: Did Madeleine Spend Christmas Alone at Her Grandma’s ?  (Read 645 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Faithlilly

Did Madeleine Spend Christmas Alone at Her Grandma’s ?
« on: October 09, 2018, 07:18:22 PM »
On another thread it was mentioned that Madeleine spending Christmas alone with her grandmother may have been the catalyst for this question from the PJ.


41 --- Asked whether or not it is true that in England she was thinking to deliver MADELEINE into the custody [guardianship] of a family member, she did not respond.

This assumption seems to have come from an interview in the Daily Record with Madeleine’s Scottish grandmother in which she said

 “When she was two, Madeleine spent Christmas at my house and it was lovely.

"The next year, the family came up for New Year but on Christmas Day Madeleine called and said she'd got a kitchen from Santa. She was very excited and said 'I'm going to make some tea'."

For me it’s obvious that Mrs McCann only mentioned Madeleine because that’s who she was specifically asked about. There is nothing to suggest that Madeleine’s parents and siblings weren’t there too.

That being said there is no way that this could have possibly been the catalyst for question 41.
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

Online Eleanor

Re: Did Madeleine Spend Christmas Alone at Her Grandma’s ?
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2018, 07:35:25 PM »
On another thread it was mentioned that Madeleine spending Christmas alone with her grandmother may have been the catalyst for this question from the PJ.


41 --- Asked whether or not it is true that in England she was thinking to deliver MADELEINE into the custody [guardianship] of a family member, she did not respond.

This assumption seems to have come from an interview in the Daily Record with Madeleine’s Scottish grandmother in which she said

 “When she was two, Madeleine spent Christmas at my house and it was lovely.

"The next year, the family came up for New Year but on Christmas Day Madeleine called and said she'd got a kitchen from Santa. She was very excited and said 'I'm going to make some tea'."

For me it’s obvious that Mrs McCann only mentioned Madeleine because that’s who she was specifically asked about. There is nothing to suggest that Madeleine’s parents and siblings weren’t there too.

That being said there is no way that this could have possibly been the catalyst for question 41.

Who knows what The Portuguese Investigation misunderstood.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Did Madeleine Spend Christmas Alone at Her Grandma’s ?
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2018, 07:40:21 PM »
Who knows what The Portuguese Investigation misunderstood.

Or what they didn’t.
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

Online Eleanor

Re: Did Madeleine Spend Christmas Alone at Her Grandma’s ?
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2018, 07:43:55 PM »
Or what they didn’t.

This is true.  It was all a bit of a mess.

Offline jassi

Re: Did Madeleine Spend Christmas Alone at Her Grandma’s ?
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2018, 08:02:39 PM »
Maybe, maybe not. Has OG done much better?
They've certainly ticked a lot of boxes and flown a lot of air miles but are they any nearer a solution?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -   11 years and still no solution.

Online Eleanor

Re: Did Madeleine Spend Christmas Alone at Her Grandma’s ?
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2018, 08:14:03 PM »

Okay.  Let's take this seriously.  Is there any suggestion that The McCanns wished to pass Madeleine to someone else to raise?

Saying that any such suggestion hasn't been documented simply will not do.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Did Madeleine Spend Christmas Alone at Her Grandma’s ?
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2018, 08:17:59 PM »
Okay.  Let's take this seriously.  Is there any suggestion that The McCanns wished to pass Madeleine to someone else to raise?

Saying that any such suggestion hasn't been documented simply will not do.
It’s unlikely that such a suggestion would have emanted from the McCanns themselves, so who came forward to tell the PJ that the McCanns planned to give Madeleine up to someone else to raise and why is this information not in the files?

Offline jassi

Re: Did Madeleine Spend Christmas Alone at Her Grandma’s ?
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2018, 08:27:46 PM »
It’s unlikely that such a suggestion would have emanted from the McCanns themselves, so who came forward to tell the PJ that the McCanns planned to give Madeleine up to someone else to raise and why is this information not in the files?

Perhaps  a comment was made to the Leicester-shire police, rather than the PJ
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -   11 years and still no solution.

Online Eleanor

Re: Did Madeleine Spend Christmas Alone at Her Grandma’s ?
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2018, 08:32:35 PM »
Perhaps  a comment was made to the Leicester-shire police, rather than the PJ

By whom?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Did Madeleine Spend Christmas Alone at Her Grandma’s ?
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2018, 08:33:17 PM »
It’s unlikely that such a suggestion would have emanted from the McCanns themselves, so who came forward to tell the PJ that the McCanns planned to give Madeleine up to someone else to raise and why is this information not in the files?

Why should it be in the files? What evidence do you have it is not on the files........did you go to Portimao Court with Brietta to read the files?
Alternatively some public spirited citizen may have phoned Crimestoppers, which as I understand it remains anonymous. Then by some circuitous route involving a British police force on to the PJ.
The only man who never makes a mistake is the man who never does anything.

Offline Robittybob1

  • Moderator
  • Veteran Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 15053
  • Total likes: 2297
  • Wisdom and understanding please.
    • The Lord Jesus - search for Madeleine McCann
Re: Did Madeleine Spend Christmas Alone at Her Grandma’s ?
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2018, 08:33:34 PM »
Okay.  Let's take this seriously.  Is there any suggestion that The McCanns wished to pass Madeleine to someone else to raise?

Saying that any such suggestion hasn't been documented simply will not do.
Did she have 3 kids under 4 and working full time and then come home to do the cooking etc.  -  I don't blame her if she felt a bit stressed.
What are you doing to find Madeleine?

Offline jassi

Re: Did Madeleine Spend Christmas Alone at Her Grandma’s ?
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2018, 08:39:18 PM »
By whom?

A friend, a neighbour, a family member, Social Services - who knows ? If it happened.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -   11 years and still no solution.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Did Madeleine Spend Christmas Alone at Her Grandma’s ?
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2018, 08:42:42 PM »
Why should it be in the files? What evidence do you have it is not on the files........did you go to Portimao Court with Brietta to read the files?
Alternatively some public spirited citizen may have phoned Crimestoppers, which as I understand it remains anonymous. Then by some circuitous route involving a British police force on to the PJ.
Strange that Amaral omitted such a potentially relevant detail out of his damning book.

Offline xtina

Re: Did Madeleine Spend Christmas Alone at Her Grandma’s ?
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2018, 08:52:43 PM »
Did she have 3 kids under 4 and working full time and then come home to do the cooking etc.  -  I don't blame her if she felt a bit stressed.

If you have three children....... you have three children...

Children don't ask to come....you have them....

In kgmcc case, they went the extra mile to have them.....

To not want one of them with you at Christmas is terrible ...there is no..no excuse...

my post is in my opinion........
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Did Madeleine Spend Christmas Alone at Her Grandma’s ?
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2018, 09:15:51 PM »
If you have three children....... you have three children...

Children don't ask to come....you have them....

In kgmcc case, they went the extra mile to have them.....

To not want one of them with you at Christmas is terrible ...there is no..no excuse...

my post is in my opinion........
Is that what happened then?  Madeleine cast out by her parents over Christmas?  I must admit this is news to me.